An Evangelical interviews John Hamer of the Community of Christ
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2021
- Evangelical Steven Pynakker interviews John Hamer, a minister in the Community of Christ (formerly know as the RLDS). In this special episode John talks about growing up LDS, questioning his faith in Highschool, and his time spent as a student at BYU. For a period of time John pretty much left his faith, and then returned to the Restoration via Fawn Brody! A pretty in depth dive into John's theology is also explored. What does a metaphorical approach to Scripture look like? Is a more nuanced view of Church history a better approach in a post-modern world? These and many other topics are addressed in this fascinating episode.
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I’m loving John Harmer while watching the Community of Christ channel. Very honest when dealing with theological history on early Christianity origins.
John Hamer is one of the best people in the world.
He was awesome! I'm so honored that he came on to my humble little channel.
This was an excellent interview, Steve, and John seems like a wonderful thinker and conversationalist! Thanks to both of you for sharing such an excellent conversation!
Thank you for your wonderful feedback! This channel is about building bridges and having positive conversation. This interview encapsulates much of what I'm trying to accomplish.
So revealing . I now understand Christianity. Wow!!
Wow John is only a few years ahead of myself when it comes to researching Mormon history.
I’m almost 45 and my mother left the church in 87/88 due to The God Makers and the Tanner’s, and she went back to the church in 90. I was aware of certain things over hearing my mother speaking. In ‘02 when I left I read the same Tanner books and Fawn Brody. That took me down a major rabbit hole and with FAIR around now a day I soak in their apologetics to see what has changed since I left. Stuff denied by the church when I left has now been admitted too, though either whitewashed or majorly distorted
Hamer is a class act!
He is. It was so cool that he came on my channel.
"When the student is ready....the teacher will appear." I'm more than ready!!😇
Hamer knows well the interface between the Restoration churches; he's fair as he speaks of strong and weak points in each.
He is an important voice within the Restoration.
Introduced to John’s intellect and story though Mormon Stories years ago in college. Thought he was awesome then and think he is awesome now.
I enjoyed my conversation with him. I also enjoy your feedback!
love John's voice and composure
1:00 you have played a huge pastoral role for me too John! I hope we can meet one day!
9:30. They are the rock that has been carved without hands and is rolling forth...🎉❤❤❤❤❤🎉
I found it very interesting and can appreciate his honesty. It is good to be able to listen to someone with such strong opinions and respect our differences. He being a scholarly person and me not.
Your questions were very interesting and your ability to provde interesting dialogue was spot on. It is entertaining to watch your excitement as you visit with John.
Thanks for the experience.
Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed our interview! It went so well and the response has been so positive. I definitely can see him coming back on again. I appreciate your feedback!
Benjamin Winchester baptized my ancestors into the church. It’s a small Mormon World. Great interview
Thanks! Please like and subscribe if you haven't already. More great interviews to come!
9:35. All the work of the world is on their shoulders and they're doin it! And they are very aware of the gifts of the spirit.
John Taylor was the first pastor in Toronto??? Wow!
"They start with Wonder Bread, and then run it through the deflavorizor about 5-6 times....." :) Made me laugh!
I didn't that about Taylor as well. I really enjoyed this interview. It was cool to have an engaging theological conversation.
I’d like to join this church, but I believe the Book of Mormon is an ancient document, so I don’t know what to do.
So I know members of the Community of Christ who believe the Book of Mormon to be an ancient document. You'd be welcomed to join with whatever beliefs you have.
You can join without any problem mate.
@ mormon book reviews I was wondering what verse and what version of the Bible does your plaque represent? I’ve been looking at Isaiah 11 6 and it says the wolf and the lamb in every version. I think your guest is confused about something I wouldn’t want him going around misrepresenting the Bible please get back to me
The community of Christ logo has a lion and a lamb. The wolf and the lamb is correct, though many Christians have also used the lion and the lamb to mean the same thing.
@@MormonBookReviews Isaiah, 11 6 definitely used to say lion and Lamb in every version and translation. There are thousands of supernatural changes in the Bible‘s that you own your self I guess the question is that if the words in your Bible were super naturally changing, would you want to know I can prove this to you don’t deny miracles when they are right under your nose. If you are interested, just ask, I will direct you to the evidence.
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I'm sure this won't be popular, but changing the way to keep people will not bring them to Yeshua. What good is the salt if it is lost it's savor. On top of that when you water down the message YHWH's sheep will not hear Yeshua's voice in it because it was modified. I agree many have not handled many things correctly, but that doesn't make changing it correct.
Those who pervert/change the ways of the Lord are part of the great and abominable church.
1 Nephi 22:14 And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, WHO HATH PERVERTED THE RIGHT WAYS OF THE LORD, YEA, THAT GREAT AND ABOMINABLE CHURCH, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.
Thanks for giving me your perspective. My channel is for all views within the Restoration. Including yours.
Interesting interview... but my sense is John embraces a religion based on social justice and intellectualism, which is fine I guess, but seems divorced from the miraculous faith events of the restoration, and not that far from philosophical academic secularism. I mean who plowed David Whitmer's fields in 1829? Why did Mary Whitmer say an angel showed her the gold plates? Would John say there were no gold plates? Metaphor? Maybe I'm inferring too much.
You make some very good points. Thanks for your feedback. John definitely represents a more progressive view within the Restoration movement. As an outsider I'm trying to engage the full spectrum of your tradition. I have had Patrick McKay on as a guest and he represents a more conservative view.
27:27. Omg John = Anna Delvey?? Lol
His explanation of God is so confusing
Nope. Once a church accepts LGBT as a legitimate lifestyle then I’m out.
I draw the line at once they disavow slavery, then I’m out