Ghost Squadron Close Call Ft Lauderdale Airshow 12 May 2024
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If you want to know more about the guy behind Polaris Dawn there’s a Netflix documentary called ‘Countdown’ with some great footage of Jared flying his MiG 29. He’s going to be first private individual to do a space walk later this year.
Walk Safe Jared
Hello Scott ! 💫
@@hadrianopolis1968you mean “Hullooow Scott!”
Wow. Of course always want good outcomes but in this case, came within a hair of ending the Polaris program and killing a man who has not only advanced private spaceflight but has also raised hundreds of millions of dollars for kids’ cancer treatments and research, and intends to raise a lot more. Glad everyone’s okay.
So... I'm guessing tip tanks are dry during flight demonstrations?
Thanks Juan. Great video. For future reference if you want to slowly go through a video you can use "." (period) to go forward 1 frame and "," to go back one frame. Useful for this type of analysis.
It does too. I also did not know that. Thanks @nate7803
Awesome! I didn't know that either! Thanks for that tip!
You are the man, Nate!
I already knew this, but I had forgotten it. Thank you for the reminder.
I guess viewing on my Roku TV precludes such handy navigation!?
Oh, well...
I saw them at Sun N Fun last month. Beautiful formations and aircraft. Glad everyone is ok and will all fly again.
One of them might not. Somebody fouled up here.
@@charlesfaure1189 It's a civilian organization. So they will likely fly again. But that jet will need some rather expensive repairs.
thanks for using my footage!!
Great video!!! Thank God it didn't turn out much worse!!!
When airshows go right, they're great. When they go wrong, its horrible. This was very close to going bad
How much time and research went into coming up with such a profound and insightful conclusion? May I have your permission to use your findings in an upcoming term paper I'm doing on airshows?
Honestly, don't think the upside is remotely worth the possible downsides.
When apostrophes go wrong, it's horrible.
@@bradsanders407 4/5 for Snark Factor! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁
@@bradsanders407 imagine wanting to be edgy online in 2024... pretty embarrassing
This was as close as close calls get. Inches from disaster.
zero inches...
Never a good idea to touch tips. Glad everyone was okay!
I see what you did there, and can't disagree
Guess it depends 😂
That's a very nice tip. So nice you wish you could touch it
good advice.....
What if it's just the tip?
Nice to see they didn't do anything more than that. Remember when those two jets touched during one of the heats at Reno a few years ago? That happened so fast, if you blinked you missed it. Thankfully nobody was hurt that time either.
Those guy's are some of the best! It goes to show you how quick things can happen! Nice recovery, very professional! Live and learn! Just glad no injuries or major damage!
Never talk about pilots being the best right after at least one of them has fouled up.
@@charlesfaure1189 Even the best make mistakes!
@@charlesfaure1189 everyone makes mistakes. all it takes is one. I think of Richard McSpadden. He was an excellent pilot but one bad flight (flown by him and another pilot) cost him his life. Does not negate his talent.
Near Death Experience.
Absolutely. With four planes so close together, this could have been a terrible pile up.
My wife was on a southwest flight the week before last and has video of what I understand is a canoe fairing wobbling in the airstream. This looks just like the part reported missing today from a United 737-800.
Thanks Dan!
Juan, you can step through the frames on UA-cam with the period and comma keys. Much better than clicking with the mouse.
Not hugely relevent, but surely the number 2 is on therightofthe formation and thr bnumber3 on the left? The inside(of a turn ) wingman sliding in towards the box ac is quite common and if he is also a bit low ( which makes it easier for him to see the leader), he can touch the boxman.
Good job, lot happened extremely fast. Glad they pullrd the right manuvers without really thinking about it . All too often that isn't the case as the damage is too servere. Seems No. 4 almost had the canopy up in the exhaust. Hard to tell but damn close to death. Fortunate to live to discuss it
Hi Juan just a tip for slow motion replay on UA-cam, the video can be ffw or rwd frame by frame using > or < on your keyboard after pausing the video with spacebar. Hope this helps. Thanks for sharing!
One can also use youtube enhancer for more controls of playback. Allows variable playback speeds from as low as .01x to 200+. I keep mine on .05 increment for adjusting things finely.
its comma and period , and .
It's comma and period, not < and >. If people followed your instructions literally they'd actually press
From what I saw, #2 hit the lead and not #4. #4 is set lower in the formation than #2 and #3. Usually in a diamond formation, when doing a topside pass infront of the crowd, 4 is shifted over a bit so when the diamond is seen from the top, it still looks symmetrical to the crowd.
Civilian pilots flying military jets equiped with ejection seats.That sounds familiar. It can't happen until it does happen.
The accident at the Thunder Over Michigan accident should have put an end to this insanity.
The credibility of the entire Airshow community in regards to vetting and hiring these acts is in question. Too many fatal accidents last year and now this situation which could have been a catastrophe.
I take issue with your “civilian pilots flying military jets….” comment. It’s just not accurate.
You specifically mentioned the MiG-23 crash in Michigan. The owner and pilot of that aircraft was Dan Filer. Dan was a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy and flew A-6’s from carriers. His back-seater was Air Force.
Do you know anything about the Ghost Squadron pilots? I don’t know much about the guys flying the L-39’s, but I know Jared Isaacman’s back-seater in the MiG-29 was a career F-18 guy.
I’ve met all 4 of the pilots I just mentioned.
In 2021 the Finnish Air Force air acrobatics team ”Midnight Hawks” were practicing when two Hawks touched wing-tips mid-air. Everyone landed safe and there were only slight scratches on the aircraft.
Called exchange paint
JUAN! In UA-cam, you can press the comma (,) or period (.) keys to go backwards on forwards a single frame in the video, respectively. No need to rapidly, skilfully double-click the play button to advance a little bit in the video, possibly skipping frames or losing your place.
Close quarters, Military flying maneuvers in civilian air show settings. What could possibly go wrong.
Good work Juan. Anyone else see it a strange coincidence Juan Guthmiller suddenly deleted his video of his dubious L39 formation full of poor airmanship flying head down whilst in close number two. Lose objects all over the cockpit yet the seats marked culminating with a run in and break at a civil airport aligned with the in correct runway the same day Juan posted this.
FYI You can jog UA-cam videos frame by frame on your PC by pressing the period or comma.
And that is why formation flying is such a PITA. And a good 'pucker factor' for pilots.
Having seen it I figured the tip tank contacted the #1 elevator turning it up causing the #1 to nose up and out avoiding what could of ended up being worse if it contacted elsewhere.
To change speed of playback using keyboard press Shift < to incrementally decrease speed and Shift > to increase playback speed.
To close for missile ...and to close for the gun too!! I switch wing !
"FOX JET-Alpha!"
Too
Hope we can hear more details about this incident.
I was there with my son and I accidentally yelled a profanity when I saw this. Don't think most others noticed the emergency formation breakaway so I looked like a psycho yelling the f bomb
I checked their website and saw very little about the Pilots and their Experience.
Oh they just sell raffle tickets pre-show and the winners get to fly the show. So some may very well have been in the seat for the first time ever. Also they operate under a don't ask don't tell policy in regards to experience. So unless the people involved feel like offering up the information there's no way to find out.
@@bradsanders407 I believe the Patriot Jet Team in Byron CA has a detailed experience list of their Pilots.
If you want actual frame by frame advance forward and backwards use the < or > keys
They don’t need to pretend to be the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds, unless they’re willing to commit full-time to it the way they do. This is a perfect example of why.
Because only the military can train pilots to fly like this? I believe it was Juan who said the jets are flying themselves anyhow. Video of one of the thunderbird pilots going inverted while his arms are resting on either side of the cockpit then giving double birds while the jet is maneuvering is evidence of this.
@@bradsanders407 only the military can afford (thanks to all of us) the substantial amount of hardware, training, maintenance, support, logistics, and safety management system that makes such an endeavor safe. Most of the random L-39 pilot and Maverick wannabes are just accidents waiting to happen, IMHO. I submit that they’ll experience more accidents, faster than the pros. Time will tell. Non full-time professionals should plan for less risky separation and less risky maneuvers. No need to hang almost wingtip to wingtip. Crashes aren’t crowd-pleasing.
I got great photos of Saturday’s show, u could tell they were giving the mig plenty of space thru the routine “getting the rust knocked off”. I was very excited to see the Fulcrum fly. Who would’ve thunk MiG29 in a friendly sky.
It's a mystery to me how the planes in these very tight formations don't suffer from wake interference. I've seen the Red Arrows in Britain and one of their formations just looks like a solid arrow head. From the ground.
there's usually a vertical gap between each aircraft thats hard to perceive from the ground, albeit it a small gap
My guess is that they're close enough to be safe since I think those extend over distance. Being in a certain position close enough can help reduce its effect on them.
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Almost like a diamond shape?
@@JakeFay00only with the 1 and 4 planes and only by a few feet. The 2 and 3 are even
Juan, do you think more of these types of close calls and accidents are happening than before? Or are we simply being exposed to them more often with social media and video cameras everywhere?
I’m happy that this one was just close call and everyone got home safe.
Good thing these Albatrosses have the wingtip fuel tanks. And also are overbuilt as is known. Let them roar, little buggers!
This was sooo close to being a tragic disaster!!! Thank God they all were able to excape safely with all landing safe!!! I bet that got their attention level maxed out!
Juan always does a great job. Thx.
At Oshkosh one year the Blue Angels taxied out for their performance. However during taxi a Blue Angel Pilot clipped his wing on another aircraft. They cancelled their Airshow for that day
Nobody is 100% perfect but they need to be flying formation.....
Just shows how much precision goes into flying these shows
Nice coverage Juan!
On youtube, the comma key (to the right of m) and the full stop key (to the right of the comma key) can be used to go backward and forward by single frames, no need to try to catch the exact frame using pause-unpause using a mouse.
Thank you FROG RAIL FANNING.
Good to hear that the pilots all landed safely.
Now that's what you call a "Ghost Call" 👻📞 ?
I've spent a season doing this type of display flying. It appears to me, although it is difficult to be sure with parallax, that there is probably no initial contact between #2. The L39's horizontal stab is above the wing line, so that if aircraft are reasonably 'in plane' #4's eye position would be above #2's right tip to have #4 left wing tiptank to #2 right stab contact. Of course, we can't be sure, but it may be that #2 gets a bit shallow [vertical reference] and gets caught by #1's wingtip vortex causing an uncontrollable roll to the left with subsequent contact. This would be in #4's direct line of sight, who by commencing a controlled bugout to the right which causes his/her's left tiptank to enter Lead's efflux. Hopefully we'll find out - thanks Juan!
The best air show stuff I've seen are solo. I've seen a GEE BEE do a show and a sail plane also. They were great. Also I saw a F15 come off the end of the runway in Everett WA Paine field when I was getting off work back in 93 when the gear was up it turned straight up and went out of sight. That was'nt a show. It was to me!!
I stepped outside one day as F-18s were practicing for an air show. One did a high power low pass over the office building and my lizard brain died. Something about that rumble....
I love air shows, but I've never had another experience as intense as just being in the right place during that practice run. Kind of like your F-15 maybe.
A pair of MH-53's flew low over me, exactly over me at a few hundred feet the other day. Felt like a show. I was at work--next to the old air base.
A jet driver's diamond formation understatement of the day..' 2, you're a little too close'...high consequences, indeed..
A definite Flight-Suit-Stainer, that one!
I feel bad for the crew who cleans and prepares the cockpit.
a bit of a "fender bender" I am surprise the tank bent up that much.
I OBSERVED THE ( # 2 received two strikes the ruder it looks damaged and the tip fuel tank ) VERY SCARRY SITUATION. SALUDOS AVIATOR
Superb situational awareness and spectacular avoidance skills! It'll be interesting if there's a report on details. Thank you, sir!
Looks like the lead aircraft slowed down unexpectedly causing the two trailing aircraft to scrunch up into him.
At 25 seconds in I can only assume such a manuever was practiced and prepared for. All pilots knew which way to escape. Top airmanship.
Trading paint... phew! That will fill the shorts. Glad it worked out
Lady Luck was present on that flight ...even highly trained and experienced pilots can commit errors in judgement...they are fortunate to learn from their actions.
Thanks Juan
@CliveSinclairSaysBoSelecta No assumption necessary, @Clive. Her gender has been known for centuries because of Fortuna, who was the Roman goddess of fortune (aka luck). ;-)
To me, it looked like the number 1 lead jet was slowing down for some reason which the right plane sees and the rear plane did not see. Then the right plane (reading the revits) started slowing and then the two planes bumped as the lead continued to slow and bumped the right. But that's all what I see from the angle. Anyway just a thought.
They handled it perfectly, made it down safely too. This is what training is for!
They really had no significant control in the moment of impact - a few inches more in one direction or another at the time of impact and it could have been a very different outcome. It is not ideal flying to be attempting to mitigate a damaged aircraft, however skilled you are.
Training is for not having that happen in the first place as well. This was a foul-up, and could have easly made real ghosts of a couple of pilots.
I recall Louis Whitnell in "Engines Over London" relating how a squadron from another airfield joined their Hurricane formation. They got very close, and in the moment of tension their leader, in a laconic voice, comes over the R/T: "Touch me and you have to marry me..."
We know Blue Angels and Thunder Birds and all fantastic air show pilots are great. Please increase distance parameters.
Surely #2 did contact the #1 tail, how else could the right tip tank have been bent back so much?
Jared created the ghost squad and I think they do a lot of contracts with the military for simulated dog fights. I think he stopped flying with them but scary to think he could have been involved since he’s doing such amazing stuff with SpaceX that losing him would be sad.
it looked like wake suction pulled them together
thanks
Having driven cars in a stunt show in Australia doing similar formations, certainly from the perspective of the camera, the no. 2 plane looks to be out of position and too far back from the lead plane.
If all the others in the formation are 'dressing off' the lead plane and in nice and tight, then contact is likely.
Thankfully no fatalities Juan ,safe flights mate,🙏🙏👋👏👏👍🇦🇺
Juan, it looks like the #2 right tip tank touches the nose of the #4 aircraft. I think the perspective from the camera is throwing the positions off and makes it look different. Parallax or what not. Cheers!
Makes me think of Reno ...never did see a vid on it.
Hundreds of not thousands of videos captured from many angles , will prob. be avail . S.Fl loves Airshows.
Hope these jets are fitted with live seats! Not all Ex-military jets do.
Two thumbs up!
As always nice, objective report. Thanks Juan, really appreciate it.
I would like to note the difference in this kind of incidents, as well as in TPL environment, to the Private (Amateurish?) world.
I have the impression that the main difference is preparation.
Preparation in the sense of awareness: 1) understanding of the abstract concepts involved (in no way it means subjective). 2) development of the required skills to bring into real world actions derived from the concepts. 3) demonstration of the knowledge and skills.
In the Private Aviation range in the best case this Preparation is superficial, or it is defective.
This kind of the image seen a few days ago in video of some guy in an oil drill rig manipulating and hydraulic wrench to break a drilling string, all him splashed in crude and drilling mud, wearing a cowboy hat and boots, a jumper without shirt. And an expression of being a 'real man'. That's beyond stupid.
If I were the owner of this rig, I would immediately stop drilling operations, get this guy out the platform, and fire the three levels up from this man.
There are changes to be made in the Private Aviation sector, instead of complaining how insurance premiums are going up, and at the same time any one with a faulty engine sees it normal to land on a highway full of cars.
Oh, Juan please is it possible to you contact gjspaini at the google com?
@guidospaini7339
My main impression has been the same for years.
Two thumbs down.
An unconscionable huge waste of taxpayer money ~ while we shamelessly have thousands of citizens homeless in all our city streets.
Call your Representative and tell him/her you want these anachronistic "joyrides for flyboys" at taxpayer expense consigned to the dustbin of history.👎
blancolirio@yahoo.com
Thunderbirds put on an uneventful show? I know what he means, but that's not the greatest choice of words. The Thunderbirds are always an incredible event, a spectacular show! They've been my favorite team since I was a lil bitty boy. (Props to the Snowbirds!) I don't mean to be critical so much as I wanna give a huge shout out to the mighty T-birds.
Cudos to all pilots, Their escape maneouver was excellent. I think they have a rule where either pilot can shout "Touch" and all will initiate their respective escape maneouver.
Is the Black Diamond Jet Team that "Snort" Snodgrass used to fly with even still a team? They flew L-39s. The Blue Angels flew here at MCAS Cherry Point this weekend and was fun. Danger Will Robinson...Good video, Juan.
One of Snort's best friends is in this team.
@@prestwickpioneer3474 Is the Ghost Squadron the former Black Diamonds? I guess Jared Isaacman has nothing to do with Draken Int. anymore.
@@ShadesOClarity i dont know if this team formed out of the Black Diamonds or not. They were hosted by Draken at their hangar In LAL over the weekend.
@@prestwickpioneer3474 Mmm. Interesting.
Thank you Captain Jaun Brown
Hello Sir.
As always Very Nice, Well Explained.
It's what I would call a little bit to close for Comfort.
Makes you Realise just how Precise you have to be during these In Flight Close Formation Flying Displays.
Makes you Appreciate the Feats & Precision of the Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, Our own Roulettes & the Red Arrows.
The Epitome of the Best in the Business though would probably be for mine the Blue Angels.
This team was obviously well Regarded & it's no wonder why, Truly nice Recovery by Both Pilots involved, My hats off to them.
May have been a little wake turbulence there ?.
But the Great thing is they Survived & will hopefully endure & keep it tucked away in their minds for next time.
I would just like to add my Condolences to those People who have Lost Loved One's, Homes & Cherished Possessions that can't be Replaced especially a Human Life in the Severe Storms & Tornado events in the Mid West.
My thoughts are with them.
All the Best.
I’m so glad we are not enduring nauseating protracted discussions by armchair aviators about the surplus civilian jet phenomenon
FYI, you can use the , and . keys to actually scan frame-by-frame instead of clicking.
Get them to call The Red Arrows - they will tell them how to do it properly.
The exhaust melted that wing tip after he stuck it up the 6 of 1. I would like to know which pilots were flying the 2 jets.
Bet they had good grips on the seat cushions!
There but by the grace of God and a couple of milliseconds go we!
Hi Juan. Can you cover the ejection incident at Sheppard last week?
Probably not equipped with ejector seats, I'd guess...
Doesn't NTSB have jurisdiction? Or some local agency that authorizes airshows?
Shouldn't they be much more separated vertically to avoid turbulences?
Since this involved a mid air collision doesn't it have to be reported to FAA and NTSB?
"Who's releasing brown smoke?"
I used to anchor out off of Ft Lauderdale back when it was rhe Shell Air&Sea show in the '90s. Was the absolute best vantage point to see the aircraft.
I wonder just how many CAF airplanes and lives have been lost over the years during air shows and practices for air shows?
How come we don't have ATC audio after mishap?
With all the explatives on that tape? Likely never to be released.
Thank you, keep working.
To me it looks like #2 pushed on the elevator of #1 from underneath causing an instant pitch-up.
Thank you! Hopefully we do see something about this. Always learn good stuff from your presentations.
@@KansasWheatFarmer2 I believe you have misinterpreted my comment.
FYI, to go frame by frame when paused on UA-cam simply press , and .
And on a device?
As always thank you Juan, but do we have any pictures when the aircraft were on the ground after the event?
nope. Not yet...
What does all this close formation prove anyhow ? Too risky 😢
Why old guys should fly bush planes....
Ghost squadron seems like an ominous name.
Looks more like they just got close or out of position and did a pre-planned split up maneuver to me
I have to say, I don't like those very close formations, because I'm all the time worried, something bad could happen.
They had so much luck in this case!