Testing Cheap Amazon Tile Leveling Systems
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2018
- Cheap Tile Leveling Systems from Amazon
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Tiling my Master Bathroom right now and we are using the Home Depot system. Thanks to You for turning us on to these Leveling Systems. We will be using them from now on, makes the job so much better. Just turned my Nephew on to them and he is thrilled, didn't now they existed. ; )
Great info and review. Thank you for taking the time!
Peygran have the strongest clips IMO! Especially great if you have thinset left in your grout joint. They always break off beneath the tile 💯🖤🖤🖤
Thoroughly agree. Made the mistake of using the circular type, red in color but the same principle and fought with them the whole job. Wish I had seen this before buying. Good review, thanks.
Sorry buddy, wish you watched this video earlier 👊 thanks for the comment.
I am about to tile my new shower walls, and I did some research on the Rigid Level Max spin on system. They have 3 types of clips, one is for a straight joint, one is for a three way joint, and the last is for a four way joint. The one you showed us (4:37) looks like a three way joint clip, like the ones I bought. It has ridge at 90 degrees to the other ridge at the base. It is supposed to go in the corner of the tiles. You were putting them on a straight joint, and I believe that is why they pushed the tiles apart, and giving you problems. I am no expert, but I think that was your problem. By the way, thanks for going to the trouble of reviewing these systems.
Thanks I've watched a few video's on flooring systems but haven't found many doing comparisons so this was great. Also not heard of Raimondi or Lev Tec tiling systems but I assume that's for professional tilers.
Great video that helped make a decision on what type of leveling system to use thank you! Also I’m using almost identical tile as this. The 33% offset would that be the pattern to run with? Just one offset then full tile next and same offset again? Or would it be full tile then 33% and maybe 66%? Or is that personal preference after that? Hope I asked correctly lol thank you !
I started using Lash before they were a Home Depot item. I upgraded to the Raimondi system. Now here is the issue I have with both. The Lash system clips have a pronounced curve that sometimes causes issues with placement. The Raimondi system does not always break properly below the tile surface. I had it when using the system it broke on installation and ripped open the top of my finger. I invested next in the RTC Spin Doctor system. I like this system the best. It has constantly broken off below the tile when removed. It has less of a curve than Lash and is easy to install.
As a bonus, they allow corner application, which, when running low on clips can prolong your progress.
It's easier to remove the caps from the clips when done than Lash or Raimondi, and there is a tool to help crank if you need that. I would like to see you make a video running the Spin Doctor. Thanks
Did you try and rock the tiles to collapse the thinset rows at all? Did you just use super thin thinset so the weight of the tile does the collapsing?
You didn't backbutter the tiles before placing them! Lol. Obviously was not necessary for this vid. I have always found the wedge system much better no matter the price. Good vid.
Im new to these systems. It seems to me if you are working with an uneven surface these clip could create pockets of space under the tile in the corners. I assume I am missing something since it seems like several contractors are using these now.
Awesome review
thank you sir!
What about those spindle ones with the reusable metal T that goes under the tiles?
I really love the passion you show in your videos. Congratulations!
Thanks. Seems like a good honest review. If you were going with a 13x40” tile would that change your opinions on a leveling system?
That's a big tile! I would go RLS or LEVTEC. Peygran is good as well 👊
@@LandbergTileTV If I may add my two cents....I have gone to using more clips (spacers) whenever working with larger tiles....sometimes as often as every 8"
best system available is the "aydinc fliesen schlüssel", but difficult to get in USA. I ordered mine from Germany and had to wait a good while, but definitely worth the wait.
Interesting, I'll have to check that system out!
Good review...information is king ;-)
I love tile technology and want to test it all out! What a crazy horrible shower video walk through you just posted! Wowzers!!!
Yeah they keep on coming too, it's really sad though, ppl spending soooooo much money on materials & scrimp on labor. Another bad one coming up in 2 weeks, look for it.
I hear ya, home owners getting screwed is not cool. Looking forward to the new vid in 2 weeks! 👊
GREAT REVIEW🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
LOVE THE PART WHERE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A STRAP BUT ITS SPINDLE LOL😂💯🤙🏽
Funny how a company selling these products don't know the difference! lol ..Always a pleasure reading your comments love the positivity!
when I clip the wedges in with peygran and raimondi etc, I find the tiles slide away from each other. How do I remedy that?
I’ll recommend Forpac clips and wedges
Nice video....Just ran into your channel. Looking forward to seeing the rest of your videos.
Thanks! I have 130 video's in total, check them out! 👊
Just finished tiling the master yesterday using the LASH system from Home Depot. This was the first time I've used a leveling system and I have to say that I'm on the fence about it (at least the LASH system anyway). There is a bit of lippage on a few tiles, which is frustrating. Matter of fact, I was going to grout today and didn't because I'm seriously considering replacing a few tiles to try again. I still have my shower to do, so I'll either like the system better after more practice or I'll move on to another system on my next tile job.
Tried LASH and it is terrible IMO
@@aca31comcastnet Now that I've used it a few times in the past year, I agree with you. It does not work as well as I had hoped.
I've used the new lash ,they're ok,I have their tool ,sort of a plier,they dont snap off as easy when cured as T- lock,now I'm trying spin dr,and some Ebay cheepos,wedge,n clip, will see,I've only broke 1 or 2 qep, and only 1 T lock, havnt tried lev tec,or raimondi,,theres eventile ,looks just like T- lock level master,easy on thumbs,btw I used the qep wedge tool on T lock, some stuff interchanges,supposedly ridgid,caps work w spin dr bases,I think t lock wedges work w levtec clips
Awesome Demonstration! Just one gripe though. It looks like the tile you are using have big, huge curves in them! You should definitely address this issue with your tile supplier ;)
lol
good videos...you remind me of Jim McMahon
good info
Thank you and thanks for watching!
New subscriber, you have some awesome videos! I’ve seen you use 1/16 spacing in multiple videos. Is this the only spacing you use? Where would you use a different spacing? Cheers!
Yes sir, we only use 1/16th inch spacers for all of our grout joints. Smaller the better, less maintenance for the customer and a cleaner look! 👊
@@LandbergTileTV FWIW, the NTCA guidelines are a pretty good resource, and there are definitely times where a larger grout joint size may be appropriate....I certainly agree that smaller is (usually better), but occasionally 3/32" and 1/8" will be a better option. Just had to install some pretty awful 12x24 ungauged slate for one of my builders, had to break out the 1/4" spacers I used on another slate project years ago (in that case the architect actually specified 1/4")
You should have mentioned that the okay system was $155 and the sucky one is $26
That's true they're not cheap
Raimondi system is actually cheaper than Paygran
Could you be more specific on peygran? How is it not as good as levtech or raimondi? Smaller? Doesnt get as tight?
The wedges are 1/3 the size. Bigger wedges cover more surface area which is more effective. Also, the pliers are super cheap and feel like they would not last long. 👍
Try the Troxell system compared to spin doc or others. It’s a nightmare. We’ve since switched to spin doc and have been pleased.
Spin Doctor is a great system, we don't use them anymore, but used them in the past..
I been using the Raimondi system for almost 2 yrs now. Im glad to see they did well in this video too. They do great eliminating lipage and also gives a more professional looking job.
No RLS in this video, only cheap Amazon systems. We like RLS and Levtec, most effective and affordable.
@Landberg Tile TV update for 2021 on leveling systems? TY for the reviews!
will do!
Not a good test when you stack plank square like that, the bow in 24" tile is mostly uniform so the system doesnt have to flatin the tile. Do a random set and see how it preforms.
So what is the advantage(s) of a more expensive system similar to peygran vs just using peygran?
Usually how the clips break off, some systems break off better than others and the cost of the clips..
Are the QEP Lash wedges and pliers that bad even for DYI 25 square foot job?
Good for DIY for sure
i always find it fascinating watching a craftsman do his craft.
Good review 👍
I’ve never used but always wondered about the spin type. Wondered if they catch on the tile and move them. I assume this isn’t the case with Spin Doctor ones etc? If not, why not? Doesn’t any turning action mean the tiles might be moved?
I suppose the same might be said about wedge type, but at least the “push” of the tile is only in one direction 🤔
Anyway great video 🇬🇧
Yes, sometimes the tiles move when you insert the wedge or tighten the spindle cap. You simply push the tiles back together 👊
I love the Progress profiles leveling system, but there is a learning curve and a few tricks. They make a red shim (designed to prevent scratching on marble) that helps reduce the twisting. If doing a large area, I will screw a board down and start building off the board (to help prevent movement). If working in a smaller room, I make my perimeter cuts tight and use wedges along the walls to prevent movement.
What size notch are you using on your trowel?
We always use a half inch trowel with a leveling system. 👊
Im about to pay a professional for installing 9x47 wood look tile. This guy has installed a lot of tile or marble. To be honest in my country i have never seen this leveling system and the final work seems spot on every time. Now that i now this exist well, i want him to use this product. My main question here is: how do you know how much pressure apply on the pliers and dont over press or less press it to get every time the perfect set and flatter surface. Thanks
You give it standard pressure per clip, if you over squeeze pliers, the clip can break.
Great video pal!👍🏻😉 I know that’s a test , but collapse the ridges when you tile!👊🏻
Thank you sir! Love your channel, and yes, always collapse ridges
We never forget to:
ua-cam.com/video/2z5UbWawBAY/v-deo.html
Landberg Tile TV non tiler here what does collapse the ridges mean
How are the QEP kind from Home Depot?
They are not that bad at all. The re-designed clips/spacers are flat now... I would recommend them...
Remember if your old school and good at tile we never had stuff like this we just had to put down enough glue to make it work. Of coarse it makes the tile close to perfect level but achieve that just slapping it down and you'll be great at tile.$
With the move towards large format tiles, these systems are being used more and more as the tiles have a more pronounced bow when fired. It also allows you to do things like go 50% offset on large format tiles as they can actually bend porcelain, etc. Open your mind sir.
You can also cut a mitre with a handsaw old school. Doesn't make sense if you are second fixing a house. Embrace improvement.
These systems help keep costs down too. Floating tiles adds the extra cost of thinset, and the time and labor to mix more buckets. Especially a 1/2" notch on a shitty floor. Poppin a tile up to float it, then finding out it wasnt enough and having to pop it up again. Or, now you have too much thinset and have to clean up all the squeeze. Waste of time! Im old school, and im gonna give the T Lock system a try
Good video. But, I see you clean the tile cement close to the tile just before you put that plastic thing, don't you? If so it make that area weak?
Just clearing out the thinset. Helps when you break them off.
With non-wet area you need to have a min of 85% tile coverage, he still has plenty here. Wet you need 95% and he's probably still perfectly fine.
He’s taking out just enough to keep thinset from oozing out between the grout lines. Makes grouting 100x easier and still maintains virtually complete coverage once the ridges are collapsed
Spin doctors are my favorite
Yes, spin doctor works! 👊
I still need to know why you chose raimndi over the cheaper clips? You said they did the job so why? Haven't seen one negative outcome on the install you just presented. That screw system I agree, turning will spread the tiles through force and they strip. I uses those Amazon slide and clip over the expensive ones and not one flaw. Just my opinion. I saved alot of money doing it.
They did the job & “ … the price was right” … the black ones were smaller clips & wedges & more expensive than QEP ones … the smaller clips & wedges just aren’t as effective as the wider clips & wedges
So how do the pros lay large tiles without lippage?
kimchee94112 leveling systems😂 if you’re one of those “old dogs don’t learn new tricks” kind of guys.....why are you even watching?
probably should have done it on a real world situation of an uneven surface like most remodels occur in.
Yeah, maybe you're right. Next time... 👊
@@LandbergTileTV looks like a waste of time and money.
Should be preping you floor flat to begin with, calling them leveling clips is misleading. Theyre only for lippage tuning not leveling.
Brah arnt u supposed to wiggle the tile around after you lay it so the thinset can spread evenly?
Yes of course, this was a simple demonstration for the tile leveling systems. Always collapse your ridges! 👊
@@LandbergTileTV ok cool I wasn't criticizing you just trying to be informed I'm just getting into construction and trying to figure it out
How to deal with tiles are out of square or might have a bow in it.
Use a anti lippage system like these.
I’ve used the QEP LASH system for years now and love it. It’s the most inexpensive system I’ve found and works awesome. You mention others are larger but that is just a waste of plastic. Thanks for the video but I’m sticking with LASH
It looks like the peygran might be better for smaller tile and the raimondi and levtec for large format tile. Do you agree? Great review.
No, I believe RLS is more superior and better than Pegran for all size tiles Thanks for watching! 👊
landberg Tile TV do you still think Raimondi is better than Peygran?
landberg Tile TV what would you recommend? I have Raimondi but what to Try other Ones
Straight edge also works
So these leveling spacer are coping from other brands by those chinese and sale on amazon again like thousands of other items ?
Yes sir! 👊 It's a big market 👊
I'm curious how the spaces are removed.
easily knock them with a mallet
RE: FLOORS - they're all a lippage system not a levelling system they will not level any floor (you need to screed it spot on to start with) but they will (RAMONDI)alleviate to a very high degree tile lippage...deadest grouse invention !
Hey mate. I’m a DYI guy on restoration. I think I’m good but I’m not perfect. I’ve not seen someone trowel off the adhesive between the tiles before. Is this something I should be doing, or was it just for the purposes of inserting this levelling system? Cheers.
Yes, if you trowel the thinset between tile, it HELP with the breakage of the clips/spacers. If you don't, the plastic from the clips will remain in the grout line and you'll have to cut it out. 😎
How do you know when do you stop the clicking?
You will feel it in the pliers, after tightening 100 clips you will get the hang of it 👊
Well cause you got experience and a pro. Any advice for a diyer?
tran basically in the angling. The backside of the wedge u push out and the clip holder part shouldn't be squeezed too hard. Slowly do a couple to breaking point and ull see
I remember a time when everyone smoked and we used used matches
I assume you mean as spacers, not to address lippage like these systems.
how is it not as good as the more expensive brand if the process and outcome are the same?
Removing cheap systems can hurt you with time. If the cheap clip/spacers don't break off properly, you then need to cut them out with a utility knife. Not only does this take time, you can easily scratch porcelain, stone or ceramic tile trying to cut that plastic out. I've done it hundreds of times, scratching the tile with my knife cutting plastic out..
Those systems seem to me that you could create a hollow spot underneath and break Bond. Should you check the back of the tile to make sure you have coverage that all seems fine and dandy on UA-cam
The clip spacers do not create hollow spots, they are inserted into the mud, you then collapse all ridges to fill voids.
Peygran is about the same value per piece as T lock. I would probably just stick with the T lock.
I don't agree, T Lock is hands down the most expensive leveling system on the market. It's a great system, but more expensive than Pegran.
Am I doing the math wrong? Your link shows this system is $155 for 400 clips. The “similar items” section shows PLS T Lock is $102 for 300 clips. I know the pliers are included on the one in the video, but I’m still not seeing the value compared to T Lock. Maybe I’m missing something.
MoneyManHolmes wedges and clips?
Seems like yellow ones kill your wrists from spinning caps all day
Yes! It would irritate your wrist if you're doing large amounts of square footage. Also, you need to remove the spindle after you break it off..
So it's not as good as the expensive ones because wedges are smaller? Sounds like you can't give an honest review. They worked perfectly.
They worked, but not perfectly, and yes I can give an honest unbiased review. RLS is the same price as Pelgran and not expensive.
the round ones really sht because they take too long compared to the wedges
yes sir!
The video is very helpful for me.But If the video has some details shot,that would be better.
You earned a like and sub :)
Thanks Josh, appreciate the sub, hope you enjoy the other 130+ videos I have 👊
1 or 2
Peygran all day long! We use that system now.
You mention
Why try it on a flat surface? Seems odd.
Here you go, a video I uploaded last week ua-cam.com/video/6tPGpYfcvUw/v-deo.html
What is wrong with a level?!
It's not so the tiles are level to the world (like you'd get with a level or transit) they are just flat with each other.
T-800, nothings wrong with a level, in fact for a good tile job you should be using both a bubble and green laser level. The tile leveling systems help prevent lippage, an age old nemesis of many a professional tile installer. Especially when you’re tiling large expanses, where it becomes increasingly difficult to go back and check if a tile(s) is even with it’s next door neighbors.
You should have zoom in closer
do you want to be my camera man? It's just me out here...
Never seen these in my Country.. why would you even need these? Can't you just level your wall / floor?
They definately help making walls and floors flat! You should give it a try👊
I see you prefer custom Building Products Versabond thinset. I swear by this thinset it's what we use in our shop, 25 years never a be claim.
@@DustinHoffmansrq I agree! We have tried so many other types of thinset, but Versabond/LFT is the best consistency for installing, Not too sandy, just the right amount of glue, it works great!
Floors should be flat but not all tile is either
When you want perfect floor not just decent you go for lippage system.
ehhhh kinda looks like your leaning toward the one that is paying you to do the comparison lol sorry but with what I just read with the price difference you been bought. it is what it is.
No one paid me for anything. I purchased both system with my own hard earned money.
$155 is cheap compared to $25? Idk about that?? 🧐
You gonna burn up your drill bro!!
Never! This Dewalt is kicking butt and has been mixing mud for over 25 showers now! No problems, only recommendation is to use at least 6amp Flexvolts 👊
I used an 18v dewalt hammer, had the monster battery. Never had an issue myself but still would only do half bags just in case.
No, but bearing will wear off because it isn't designed for side ways movement. But Dewalt also make Flexvolt cordless mixer it would be better.
Why not just use the old "Hockey Puck" method?
Does not matter how cheap tile system is or expensive. A tile is never 100% accurate.......... You will always have problem with levering........
I have worked with more than 8 different tile leveling systems and yes, there are good systems and bad systems, but they all help with installing large format tiles. 👊
Waste of money and time....
Definitely. Level!
Absolutely not a waste of time. Just had my kitchen floor tiled with this size wood looking tile and it is SO UNLEVEL, they have to tear it all up! And start over! 😭😭 Wish THEY would have known about these systems... 😡
These will not work if you are using Arabesque tiles
Yes, you are right. Strange profile picture BTW John...
Nice demonstration but all tile level systems are a waste of time and money...use a level
Negative sir, tile leveling systems give you a much more superior installation with big and long tiles. Don't bash them until you try them. Thanks for watching! 👍
They were originally designed for very large floor tiles, the type you get in big commercial spaces where getting a perfectly even surface, over such a large surface area would be very time consuming or difficult with just a level. They also allow (if im not mistaken) people to be able to walk over them without ruining the floor, which is probably more important on construction sites with numpties that'll walk over them even when barriered off, where you can be certain it's you who'll have to put it right.
I'd rather a tiler used this and ensured they gave a perfect finish - not that they aren't capable, but because people can forget things, accidentally nudge tiles out of alignment, be slightly off, than to be old fashioned and over confident, believing they are perfect.
I'd rather spend that extra £30 as a client on some plastic clips and ensuring a quality outcome than to risk a bad job for whatever reason, and I'm sure that is more than easily recovered by a skilled trademan's hourly rate who can spend more of his time using his skill in area's it's needed, and not wasting it on constantly checking a bubble on a level.
The leveling systems are pointless if it's not fully buttered underneath you just going to create a void and it's just going to crack
7:59 tells you to stay away from...puts a link to it on amazon! c'mon, man!
The system seems like crap, it pulls the tile away from the thinset even if you back butter.
matt motta I agree, it’s is effectively pulling the bottom and top planes together and could indeed cause problems. If the spacers were mechanically adhered to the substrate I maybe could see using them with the huge tiles some people seem to like these days. I did nothing but set tile for about five years with my old man and he’d have died laughing if he saw anyone using these. He made sure every surface we ever covered was properly prepped so this kind of thing was never an issue. I’m guessing enough of the old timers have exited the business and there’s enough DIYers out there that this make work for them and the noobs.
There’s a video where someone used pieces of glass in place of tiles and it worked well. In my experience, the thinset needs to be solid enough to not sink when you spread it, yet wet enough to stick to your finger when you touch it. That way it sticks to the tiles and the subfloor when you level them.
Too many adds did not watch your video
i have no control over youtube and youtube ads
Lose the sunglasses, because you aren't Hollywood lol
Never! and it's extremely bright back where I record. 👍
Who wants to be "Hollywood"?
You put in 6 wedges, say that they're good, but not great, and still promote the other/more expensive brand.
Not sure how you can tell after 6 clips/wedges. They didn't break and they did their job, but yet again you're promoting the more expensive brand.
Why is that?
First off, shame on you for working in classic vans
Pointless product. Waste of money. I can only wonder how stuff was tiled for 100s of years without this. All kidding aside. Pointless product
Vince Black are you still driving a horse and buggy to work? That system has been in use far far longer than automobiles.
Do you have electric in your house and indoor plumbing? People got by with candles and outhouses just fine.
No sheet!@@SkyGhost1000
Says cheap so I look it up. $155. Get the fuck outta here!
Peygran was cheap in the past! Old video..
No one wants to watch a person cutting open a bag of thinset hello
Lol
I am certain there is SOMEONE out there who does.