Really good review of this piece thanks. I confess that the thickness and a strap that looks like you’ve spent the day painting your ceiling are hugely off putting for me and overall it doesn’t look like a watch of its price. Personal viewpoint though, I’m sure some will love it.
@@PerthWAtch I think 7 Fridays is a different animal. Considering how much tooling they have invested, they got to market them as higher-end and sell it as much as they can....
The price, no. But I can't stop staring at the face. That face. The color combination and overall design, I find, comforting and downright exquisite. Thanks for sharing.
Perth WAtch haha yes i thought about that too but no real water pressure. I suppose we re talking jewelry for firefighters here. There’s a good design question wrapped in the mix however; Personally a field watch or fleiger type flight watch makes more sense to me - big and legible. regardless most emergency workers these days wear a g-shock. Perhaps there’s a good composite fireproof resin but that sounds pretty ugly 👍 look forward to the next own
I think it's a very handsome looking watch and I do appreciate the sentiment behind it. I actually think the strap idea is interesting. They state on their site the olive colored one with stenciled lettering is from the military. As with any microbrand running an NH35, I put it up against my Helm Vanuatu. 42mm 316L SS, NH35, 300m, sapphire crystal w/neutral AR coating, fully milled SS bracelet Screw links , SuperLuminova BGW9, 120 click bezel, lumed w/ PVD coated SS insert Cost approximately 240 Pounds including shipping. WW is asking 100 pounds just to buy the strap. In my opinion they need to re evaluate their pricing. Maybe the extra effort involved in the upcycling process is the issue, I enjoyed the review as always.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment... I do agree that the value proposition is rather challenging to justify here. No doubt there will be interest, but not at the same compelling level as Helm pieces; given the features you’ve comprehensively listed.
I like the gold bezel and matching hands. And I really like that smokey look around the chapter ring. On the steel bracelet it's a winner but! I can get a nice NH36 for $125 or less. Great review! Well done. If I were half as good, I'd be your neighbor. Cheers!
Nice looking piece. A proportion of the price goes to firefighter charities. Definately a cut above the Ali Express dispoables. Smart, and interesting. I like it.
A very interesting watch! I actually love what they've done with the fire hose, and the overall aesthetic of this model (dial, gilt accents, bezel) is very attractive. Must agree with many of your final thoughts though; for that price- personally- I'd be looking for an 6R15/NE15 at minimum (Surely they can afford to pop one of those in for a retail of £600 GBP), and more importantly perhaps, a *thinner watch*. These days I'm after watches thinner than the standard 13/14mm dive style cases. The fact that this is 16mm thick is a bit of a turn-off for me. Great review as ever.
Interesting watch. ᴡᴀʏ too pricey IMO. That (almost) $1K USD market is absolutely saturated with far superior watches IMO, but that aside, the 'Rose Watch' varient is a good looking piece. Just not what I'll be spending my $1K USD on!
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Price is not really relevant for non-mass produced pieces. Either it is worth it to the buyer or it is not. But for a watch so heavily based in firefighting history why make a dive watch? Seems to not mix well. Ditch the dive bezel and it would have worked better as a theme.
Good review Ivan, as for the watch -- I do dig the design for sure (especially in these colors), but the thickness and especially the price killed it for me :-/
Not cheap, but what a beautiful watch. To put an NH35 movement in a watch of that price is a bit cheeky, and perhaps an ETA 2824 clone would be a better choice. Of course, the option of spending more and getting the ETA movement is an option. I have just bought a Borealis Portus Cale with a Miyota 9015 movement, and that could also have been an option. On that matter, would love to see you do a review on that watch. PS my hand is still dreadful
Nice looking watch , interesting use of materials, particularly liked the bezel/dial combination didn't care for the hose element of the strap but at that price it should be at least an sw200 or a 2824 in there (nh35 $28 for 1 off on ebay)
I don't like the white stencil on the strap,it looks like you've been decorating whist wearing it.I have three different dive watches with most of the features that this watch has and the most I paid was $175.00 US.I'm guessing the name refers to their pricing.......................................
Name refers to their pricing? Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Hi Ivan. thanks for 2W watch review. let's get to the elephant in the room first. 695 POUNDS for rubber bracelet watch with NH35? that is $907.00! Actually, I had to go back to your video to re-listen to your price quotation. I just could not believe my eyes (looking at the watch) and ears (listening to the price) and waiting very patiently (biting my finger nails which I normally do) to hear some awesome specs or features or some magical tricks this watch can do to justify the price.....But .....disappointment! I wouldn't talk about 16mm height. rather cheap looking rubber bracelet, inappropriate steel bracelet (too chunky without tapering, does not match with the look of the watch), dome crystal is nice but bit too thick for that watch...etc. When I was watching this review, the first watch that came into my mind was San Martin 62MAS at 4.5 times cheaper pricing with better design and bracelet. Almost exactly same spec! (of course, I wouldn't compare this with Pagani which also uses NH35 at 10 times cheap price, but IMO San Martin 62MAS is the perfect comparison). Ivan, I think that you are holding something back on us... I think that you will do another video later today, saying that you have made a mistake on the pricing or reveal some spectacular discount (70%) or buy one get 3 free deal, ha ha ha. Anyway, thanks for the interesting watch review (well....I kind of liked the recessed indices...bit different...) Have a great day, Ivan. thanks
san martan are wholly generic. Also, chinese specials have zero resale value bc of how cheap they go out the door. pagani produces thousands and thousands of pcs., along with all the other unoriginal chinese copies. I think a more appropriate comparison would be another original design with an nh35 - in my helm watches are closer. They do production runs of 250, have a good resale value, original design at or around 300$. As for a ceiling, an nh35 watch is seiko prospex range so i’d go with the in-house movement, more known, better resale. And at 600$-900$ you’ll find eta or sw watches
@@MrMadvillan I have owned San Martin and be able to sell it at very good pricing. Actually I also have Helm Vanuatu with NH35. well made with its own distinctive design. Since Helm is always out of stock, if you have a brand new one with tag, it is being sold with 20% premium, only because Helm is controlling the market demand, unlike San Martin and few other China direct brands. Helm is also made in China, 100%, but being shipped out of Hong Kong and being marketed as a foreign brand. However, in my opinion, the quality of workmanship and detail work is about the same between San Martin & Helm. Helm just have better design (their own) and more tight and controlled marketing. No matter what, this WW watch is way over priced. 3 times more than Helm and 4.5 times more than San Martin. I wonder how they can market and sell their watches...etc
Alex Yoon yes, I too have loads of issues with this Woodrow wilson or whatever it’s called, however any watch review that has an nh35 in it, someone will jump in and start listing the ubiquitous chinese copies and their ‘good specs.’ My point is that you can’t compare a watch that was ‘designed’ against one that is making a direct copy albeit with ‘good specs,’ then slapping a nonsense logo on it. Design adds brand value which gives you a more valuable product in the long run. For example vintage rolex have so-so specs; the bracelets have rolled links and stamped clasps but are still very valuable watches bc they have brand value. ‘the next guy’ is willing to pay dearly for that. San martin and pagani are making a quick buck and to me their brand has no real value - they’re a company sourcing parts, not a watch company. 900$ for this watch, I wouldn’t - however i think they made real effort to offer something special
@@MrMadvillan woodrow wilson/william wood..etc, honestly I have never heard of william wood until I saw Ivan's review. I am sure that there are more people who has heard of San Martin than woodrow wilson whatever it is called, as you put it. As for Pagani, I am not a big fan of them either because of their blatant copy and lack of refinement, even though there is no doubt that they have the best value for whatever they are copying. You said that "they (william wilson) made real effort to offer something special". May I ask what is so special about this Valiant Automatic? Except it is being marketed from UK and being unreasonably expensive without proper specs and features?
Alex Yoon You’re right, on a second glance the woody willis is more of a parts bin watch. I suppose the raised logo and crown insert are nice. The case is bulbous and smooth in a weird way which i appreciate. we can certainly agree that it’s unexceptional for 900$. I guess what i meant was that they’re attempting something different with the ‘upcycling’ and the historical reference, however awkwardly it lands - the ocean is just about the opposite of a fire so for me that’s the biggest foul. I think i would have gone with more of a flight style or military watch; legible and maybe heat resistant something or other, something that speaks to firefighters beyond a few little decorations. To bring it back, if you try to then parse out san martins value proposition in contrast it’s something like ‘we copy seikos for half the price.’ Is it a good thing to be known for that? maybe maybe not. Personally I rather run an obscure brand than be known for being a hack - that’s me personally. And you’re right, maybe there’s a place for that. However after all is said and done, i’d rather save up a bit more for a seiko.
Strangely I had googled Christopher Ward a couple of hours before this video went up & this brand actually came up ahead of them. I looked at their watches & they seemed quite good but a bit overpriced. They also make a dress watch but I thought the design wasn't that great to be honest.
@@PerthWAtch yup. even if the conversion rate is "pounds" to "kilo" (US$), still it would be way expensive...... i am sure that many would be more confused by now, ha ha
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Well I've got to agree on the somewhat overpricing of the watch, and a lot of the comments seem to mirror that,however it is a rather good looking watch.unlike most of the Chinese made copy homages that tend to populate these UA-cam channels.On a personal note if San Martin or Pagani sent me a free watch I would kindly send it back ....I mean what's the point.
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Hiya again. Guess if you are not a fireman this watch is a bit of an oddity. The strap as someone else said looks like its been worn whilst painting and it has a twopenny halfpenny nh movement for serious cash? To me at least yet another microbrand dive style watch but this one pretty expensive as well? Looks fine but all the dive watches by generic design look fine? Cheers,Len.
This looks like a very attractive £300 watch supplied in packaging in the internationally recognised alert colour red, so coloured to alert any onlooker to the fact that the owner has more money than sense. In that respect it is like many a Swiss watch. But I do love the look so I'm off to order a Steeldive plus some modding parts to get this look, place of component manufacture and quality for 1/4 of the price. Thus mine will be No1 of 1. Top notch review as ever Ivan - thank you.
The dials quite nice . Apart from that it’s way to expensive for what it is . Justifying the very hefty price by hitting the charitable donation angle I find all very questionable I’m afraid . As a package I find it quite off putting..
Pretty watch, but the pressed clasp and NH35? I paid less than that for a a Christopher Ward. Say what you will about the logo {I don't mind it}, but the specs are way better. And my particular watch was just as attractive, if not prettier. Not my cup of tea.
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
It's actually a very nice looking watch. If it was thinner it would look quite classy. That price is ludicrous though. In a world suffering from from an economic downturn and given the quality of watches you can get out there for much less, I really don't know what they are thinking. You can never really compare one watch to another, and sat here writing this with a Vostok on my wrist perhaps makes the price seem even more unfathomable.... Nice watch, and I know they are going for a certain specific customer (ones with a lot of money as well) but I do think they have with that price excluded a hell of a lot of potential other customers.
Thanks for the thoughts Chris, I think you make some very valid points. To be fair to them however the pricing and marketing strategies were in planning before the current downturn, and certainly their earlier watches were from before this year.
@@PerthWAtch It's hard to be critical of them (although I can't think of a better example of when a thinner Miyota 9000 series movt would work more perfectly). It's a genuinely nice watch. But at that price I think it would have to be something outstanding, and it just doesn't quite hit the mark. Put it on very good sale and I'm sure they will sell 👍
Specifically, the hose material used for the strap has writing along it's length - what looks like a stain is the lettering, it's just too wide to be able to see it properly within the width of the strap
@@lapelcelery42 well, whatever it is, it still looks like a stain. the ones on the website looks like strips, this looks hideous, like a painter was wearing it and got some white paint on the strap.
Lol a 16mm thick generic "diver" (with only 100m water resistance?) with an NH35 for $900. Apparently these guys are entirely unaware of their competitors in the Microbrand Diver sector. Did they even bother to look at the pricing of Traska and Nodus divers with equivalent movements?
Nice review. An interesting watch, but not something I would buy. Way too expensive for what you are getting. Do not like the minute track, too difficult to tell the time. Has a very old-fashioned look, not something I like. Another big issue is the thickness, but not beacause of just that . It’s pretty thick but only 100m wr. Usually thickness would add the to increased durability or water resistance. Your not getting any benefit to the thickness here. Others might not be bothered by these things but kill any chance of me purchasing this particular watch.
@@PerthWAtch I wasn't trying to come off as a dick, just noticed a couple videos of yours today that I watched called yellow gold, rose gold. The other was the spinnaker spense with the black case and yellow gold bezel/accents.
@@PerthWAtch No, a brand name such as vacherin constantin or Tissot with a real horological history is fine, others with name popped out of nowhere is weird imo
Ridiculous. You would have to really want to get rid of your money to spend that for this silly watch. Just no! Looks cobbled together by a 10 year old. My grandfather tuna doesn’t look that tall on the wrist ! And it only cost me a little bit more than this dorkmaster. The only good idea was the fire- engine stuff. They could have made a sweet watch using the pressure gauge from the fire engine dash, with a power reserve or something (REC watches style) with more brass like old fire hose fittings. That’s what I would expect for that asking price. But no. We got some nonsense.
Perth WAtch wow really? The font would look better in white. Too many different types and potentially too much script on the dial. Just doesn’t work imho
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Wayyyyy overpriced for the specs Ivan. Nice looking watch but I've got "several" other brands, including micro brands which to me are lot better value & better specs! Computer says no!👎🏼🤪
Interesting back story but way overpriced and overall fairly generic looking. Even with a sellita or ETA movement this would overpriced. Obviously, my own opinion.
To be honest at 995 I would swing for a Tag H quartz. These nh 30 series movements don't do it for me.OK critisise quartz but nh,s are equally stamped out by the palletload and pretty dated by any standard?
Wiliiam Wood was my uncle. This legacy of him makes me proud of my family history
Oh how interesting - you are related to the company founder Jonny Garrett then! Did you know about this project?
Yes I knew of the project and think Jonny has done really well
Bit thick and bit overpriced for the spec, but like the history & love the looks. Cool watch, Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for that Steve!
Really good review of this piece thanks. I confess that the thickness and a strap that looks like you’ve spent the day painting your ceiling are hugely off putting for me and overall it doesn’t look like a watch of its price. Personal viewpoint though, I’m sure some will love it.
I think understanding what the strap markings are makes it acceptable to my brain... but yeah I do feel the thickness could've been trimmed.
Very interesting piece, £700 for a NH35 is laughable though.
Not defending the pricing, but check out Seven Fridays with Miyota 8 series movements for over $1k!
@@PerthWAtch I think 7 Fridays is a different animal. Considering how much tooling they have invested, they got to market them as higher-end and sell it as much as they can....
I agree... I just like seeing the occasional mouth frothing at the concept :)
The price, no. But I can't stop staring at the face. That face. The color combination and overall design, I find, comforting and downright exquisite. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for that - good feedback for William Wood!
It's a design rip off of the oris sixty five :)
Not really...
A Dive watch commemorating a firefighter.... jumping into water is the opposite of jumping into a fire. The first of many perplexing design outcomes.
Firefighters handle water... I thought that was the thing here. If they made a fireproof watch, now that’d be a first!
Perth WAtch haha yes i thought about that too but no real water pressure. I suppose we re talking jewelry for firefighters here. There’s a good design question wrapped in the mix however; Personally a field watch or fleiger type flight watch makes more sense to me - big and legible. regardless most emergency workers these days wear a g-shock. Perhaps there’s a good composite fireproof resin but that sounds pretty ugly 👍 look forward to the next own
I think it's a very handsome looking watch and I do appreciate the sentiment behind it. I actually think the strap idea is interesting. They state on their site the olive colored one with stenciled lettering is from the military. As with any microbrand running an NH35, I put it up against my Helm Vanuatu. 42mm 316L SS, NH35, 300m, sapphire crystal w/neutral AR coating, fully milled SS bracelet Screw links , SuperLuminova BGW9, 120 click bezel, lumed w/ PVD coated SS insert Cost approximately 240 Pounds including shipping. WW is asking 100 pounds just to buy the strap. In my opinion they need to re evaluate their pricing. Maybe the extra effort involved in the upcycling process is the issue, I enjoyed the review as always.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment... I do agree that the value proposition is rather challenging to justify here. No doubt there will be interest, but not at the same compelling level as Helm pieces; given the features you’ve comprehensively listed.
What's with the Gull poop on the strap?
Haha what makes you say it’s seagull?
I like the gold bezel and matching hands. And I really like that smokey look around the chapter ring. On the steel bracelet it's a winner but! I can get a nice NH36 for $125 or less. Great review! Well done. If I were half as good, I'd be your neighbor. Cheers!
Haha thanks Mike! Actually I think you can get that movement for about $40...
Nice looking piece. A proportion of the price goes to firefighter charities. Definately a cut above the Ali Express dispoables. Smart, and interesting. I like it.
Thanks for that - good feedback for William Wood!
Beautiful find, thank you for reviewing!
Thanks :)
William wood ...was a used car dealer in Bennet street east Perth ...valiant is a car....very odd coincidence
Haha I remember that dealer!!
I owned a 1973 Plymouth Valiant, then traded it for a couch.
Ah, memories....
Great channel sir!
A very interesting watch! I actually love what they've done with the fire hose, and the overall aesthetic of this model (dial, gilt accents, bezel) is very attractive. Must agree with many of your final thoughts though; for that price- personally- I'd be looking for an 6R15/NE15 at minimum (Surely they can afford to pop one of those in for a retail of £600 GBP), and more importantly perhaps, a *thinner watch*. These days I'm after watches thinner than the standard 13/14mm dive style cases. The fact that this is 16mm thick is a bit of a turn-off for me. Great review as ever.
Thanks for the thoughts there - yeah at that price one might expect a Sellita SW200 I think.
Interesting watch. ᴡᴀʏ too pricey IMO. That (almost) $1K USD market is absolutely saturated with far superior watches IMO, but that aside, the 'Rose Watch' varient is a good looking piece. Just not what I'll be spending my $1K USD on!
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Price is not really relevant for non-mass produced pieces. Either it is worth it to the buyer or it is not. But for a watch so heavily based in firefighting history why make a dive watch? Seems to not mix well. Ditch the dive bezel and it would have worked better as a theme.
I think it's fitting the broad demand and also that they haven't invented a fireproof watch?
Good review Ivan, as for the watch -- I do dig the design for sure (especially in these colors), but the thickness and especially the price killed it for me :-/
Thanks man - fair enough!
Good review.What a cool watch. The bracelet looks nice on it. The straps are not to my taste . And the watch is a bit thick.
Thanks for that - I'm inclined to agree.
beautiful watch.....something different.....
Thanks :)
A lighter thinner case and bezel would be perfect. Oris sixty five vibe...lol! I very much enjoyed this excellent review. Thank you Ivan.
You are so welcome - thanks for watching!
Not cheap, but what a beautiful watch. To put an NH35 movement in a watch of that price is a bit cheeky, and perhaps an ETA 2824 clone would be a better choice. Of course, the option of spending more and getting the ETA movement is an option. I have just bought a Borealis Portus Cale with a Miyota 9015 movement, and that could also have been an option. On that matter, would love to see you do a review on that watch. PS my hand is still dreadful
Oh how interesting you bring that up... I happen to have a Borealis in hand actually, although not the model you cited there.
Love the design and I’m a sucker gilt. However the thickness like the price is too big for me to consider a purchase. Thanks
Thanks for the thoughts!
the watch its nice but absurdly expensive in both swiss and japanese itterations.
I guess original design comes with a cost...!
It looks antique.
Yes!
Nice looking watch , interesting use of materials, particularly liked the bezel/dial combination didn't care for the hose element of the strap but at that price it should be at least an sw200 or a 2824 in there (nh35 $28 for 1 off on ebay)
Thanks for the thoughts - many would agree with the movement sentiment there.
I don't like the white stencil on the strap,it looks like you've been decorating whist wearing it.I have three different dive watches with most of the features that this watch has and the most I paid was $175.00 US.I'm guessing the name refers to their pricing.......................................
Name refers to their pricing?
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Hi Ivan. thanks for 2W watch review. let's get to the elephant in the room first. 695 POUNDS for rubber bracelet watch with NH35? that is $907.00! Actually, I had to go back to your video to re-listen to your price quotation. I just could not believe my eyes (looking at the watch) and ears (listening to the price) and waiting very patiently (biting my finger nails which I normally do) to hear some awesome specs or features or some magical tricks this watch can do to justify the price.....But .....disappointment!
I wouldn't talk about 16mm height. rather cheap looking rubber bracelet, inappropriate steel bracelet (too chunky without tapering, does not match with the look of the watch), dome crystal is nice but bit too thick for that watch...etc.
When I was watching this review, the first watch that came into my mind was San Martin 62MAS at 4.5 times cheaper pricing with better design and bracelet. Almost exactly same spec! (of course, I wouldn't compare this with Pagani which also uses NH35 at 10 times cheap price, but IMO San Martin 62MAS is the perfect comparison).
Ivan, I think that you are holding something back on us... I think that you will do another video later today, saying that you have made a mistake on the pricing or reveal some spectacular discount (70%) or buy one get 3 free deal, ha ha ha.
Anyway, thanks for the interesting watch review (well....I kind of liked the recessed indices...bit different...)
Have a great day, Ivan. thanks
san martan are wholly generic. Also, chinese specials have zero resale value bc of how cheap they go out the door. pagani produces thousands and thousands of pcs., along with all the other unoriginal chinese copies. I think a more appropriate comparison would be another original design with an nh35 - in my helm watches are closer. They do production runs of 250, have a good resale value, original design at or around 300$. As for a ceiling, an nh35 watch is seiko prospex range so i’d go with the in-house movement, more known, better resale. And at 600$-900$ you’ll find eta or sw watches
@@MrMadvillan I have owned San Martin and be able to sell it at very good pricing. Actually I also have Helm Vanuatu with NH35. well made with its own distinctive design. Since Helm is always out of stock, if you have a brand new one with tag, it is being sold with 20% premium, only because Helm is controlling the market demand, unlike San Martin and few other China direct brands. Helm is also made in China, 100%, but being shipped out of Hong Kong and being marketed as a foreign brand. However, in my opinion, the quality of workmanship and detail work is about the same between San Martin & Helm. Helm just have better design (their own) and more tight and controlled marketing.
No matter what, this WW watch is way over priced. 3 times more than Helm and 4.5 times more than San Martin. I wonder how they can market and sell their watches...etc
Alex Yoon yes, I too have loads of issues with this Woodrow wilson or whatever it’s called, however any watch review that has an nh35 in it, someone will jump in and start listing the ubiquitous chinese copies and their ‘good specs.’ My point is that you can’t compare a watch that was ‘designed’ against one that is making a direct copy albeit with ‘good specs,’ then slapping a nonsense logo on it. Design adds brand value which gives you a more valuable product in the long run. For example vintage rolex have so-so specs; the bracelets have rolled links and stamped clasps but are still very valuable watches bc they have brand value. ‘the next guy’ is willing to pay dearly for that. San martin and pagani are making a quick buck and to me their brand has no real value - they’re a company sourcing parts, not a watch company. 900$ for this watch, I wouldn’t - however i think they made real effort to offer something special
@@MrMadvillan woodrow wilson/william wood..etc, honestly I have never heard of william wood until I saw Ivan's review. I am sure that there are more people who has heard of San Martin than woodrow wilson whatever it is called, as you put it. As for Pagani, I am not a big fan of them either because of their blatant copy and lack of refinement, even though there is no doubt that they have the best value for whatever they are copying.
You said that "they (william wilson) made real effort to offer something special". May I ask what is so special about this Valiant Automatic? Except it is being marketed from UK and being unreasonably expensive without proper specs and features?
Alex Yoon You’re right, on a second glance the woody willis is more of a parts bin watch. I suppose the raised logo and crown insert are nice. The case is bulbous and smooth in a weird way which i appreciate. we can certainly agree that it’s unexceptional for 900$. I guess what i meant was that they’re attempting something different with the ‘upcycling’ and the historical reference, however awkwardly it lands - the ocean is just about the opposite of a fire so for me that’s the biggest foul. I think i would have gone with more of a flight style or military watch; legible and maybe heat resistant something or other, something that speaks to firefighters beyond a few little decorations. To bring it back, if you try to then parse out san martins value proposition in contrast it’s something like ‘we copy seikos for half the price.’ Is it a good thing to be known for that? maybe maybe not. Personally I rather run an obscure brand than be known for being a hack - that’s me personally. And you’re right, maybe there’s a place for that. However after all is said and done, i’d rather save up a bit more for a seiko.
That "Number 1 out of 250" is really special!
I would feel so if it was random but this was a prototype direct from the company...
Strangely I had googled Christopher Ward a couple of hours before this video went up & this brand actually came up ahead of them. I looked at their watches & they seemed quite good but a bit overpriced. They also make a dress watch but I thought the design wasn't that great to be honest.
Christopher Ward... William Wood... guess it’s close if you say it really fast and speak softly. And mumble 😆
@@PerthWAtch Ha yes, I think I must have miss typed somehow. Still handy for William Wood if this happens to other people!
I've been eyeing these up with a yellow fire hose strap, think they look brilliant but I don't know if they're worth the asking price.
I do find that yellow tempting but not sure how lasting it would be - probably not a perennial classic choice...
Nice looking, a bit pricey for the spec though ... and I'm not sure about the Logo
You mean that cool brass helmet?
That's not rose gold. That's yellow gold. They do rose gold on the "Rose Watch". Very attractive, though.
Is it? Looked different tone to the gold of the logo on the dial...
I was sold just by the Spin
That's my trademark, not William Wood's :)
Wow,the bracelet transforms the look of the watch for the better....
Yeah I get what you mean!
Asking price is a good laugh... Hard pass.
yup. I agree... actually I had to do double take just to made it sure that I heard it correctly... ha ha
That's pounds guys... pounds.
@@PerthWAtch yup. even if the conversion rate is "pounds" to "kilo" (US$), still it would be way expensive...... i am sure that many would be more confused by now, ha ha
Haha yeah I’m just being facetious, pointing out that it’s the highest numeric value currency in the world ;)
It's a cool looking watch. There is a price point at which I buy it. The new one with the red strap and red bezel is even cooler looking.
Very nice design however it is way, way overpriced for it having a NH-35A!
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Well I've got to agree on the somewhat overpricing of the watch, and a lot of the comments seem to mirror that,however it is a rather good looking watch.unlike most of the Chinese made copy homages that tend to populate these UA-cam channels.On a personal note if San Martin or Pagani sent me a free watch I would kindly send it back ....I mean what's the point.
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Nice looking piece. Loving the blue and vintage look.
Blue??
Perth WAtch the dial absolutely looks blue
Interesting
Perth WAtch must be the lighting because it totally looks light blue. Was waiting for the ‘white’ dial. 🤣
Very nice watch .... But i think its a bit overpriced , Thanks for the review !
Yeah you’re definitely not alone there, judging by the comments
Hiya again. Guess if you are not a fireman this watch is a bit of an oddity. The strap as someone else said looks like its been worn whilst painting and it has a twopenny halfpenny nh movement for serious cash? To me at least yet another microbrand dive style watch but this one pretty expensive as well? Looks fine but all the dive watches by generic design look fine? Cheers,Len.
Haha yeah, it does look like white paint stains - I guess knowing what the white printing was, my brain kinda just accepted it!
I like the red when I've been on the website but 800 for nh35 movement is pretty steep
Ah but it's only £695! ;)
@@PerthWAtch yes sorry got carried away. Was meant to say 700
Very expensive to only have an entry level movement.🤷🏽♂️
Yeah quite a few felt the same
I love this watch and I'm not sure why.
It might be the way the blue ar coating plays with the white dial mesmerising. I watched the vid 3 times before it struck me. It's a v cool watch.
Yeah I get what you mean... there is a distinct prettiness there.
This looks like a very attractive £300 watch supplied in packaging in the internationally recognised alert colour red, so coloured to alert any onlooker to the fact that the owner has more money than sense. In that respect it is like many a Swiss watch. But I do love the look so I'm off to order a Steeldive plus some modding parts to get this look, place of component manufacture and quality for 1/4 of the price. Thus mine will be No1 of 1. Top notch review as ever Ivan - thank you.
Ooh nice... any chance of extending that limited edition? You might gain some fans!
Such an odd attitude to judge someone who would wear this watch as having little sense. You just sound really, really cheap.
The dials quite nice . Apart from that it’s way to expensive for what it is . Justifying the very hefty price by hitting the charitable donation angle I find all very questionable I’m afraid . As a package I find it quite off putting..
Thanks for the feedback - I get what you mean, and it's important for good companies to keep up the dialogue with enthusiasts.
Kinda feeling like R Kelly here....my minds tellin me no...but my body is tellin me yeah..😂
Hahaha nice one - which one won?
Perth WAtch the brain always takes a backseat...lol
Hello friends! Greetings to everybody from Munich
Hello there!
Pretty watch, but the pressed clasp and NH35? I paid less than that for a a Christopher Ward. Say what you will about the logo {I don't mind it}, but the specs are way better. And my particular watch was just as attractive, if not prettier.
Not my cup of tea.
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
It's actually a very nice looking watch. If it was thinner it would look quite classy. That price is ludicrous though. In a world suffering from from an economic downturn and given the quality of watches you can get out there for much less, I really don't know what they are thinking. You can never really compare one watch to another, and sat here writing this with a Vostok on my wrist perhaps makes the price seem even more unfathomable.... Nice watch, and I know they are going for a certain specific customer (ones with a lot of money as well) but I do think they have with that price excluded a hell of a lot of potential other customers.
Thanks for the thoughts Chris, I think you make some very valid points. To be fair to them however the pricing and marketing strategies were in planning before the current downturn, and certainly their earlier watches were from before this year.
@@PerthWAtch It's hard to be critical of them (although I can't think of a better example of when a thinner Miyota 9000 series movt would work more perfectly). It's a genuinely nice watch. But at that price I think it would have to be something outstanding, and it just doesn't quite hit the mark. Put it on very good sale and I'm sure they will sell 👍
Not bad but a little pricey! Besides I just bought a Seiko 5kx sports Pepsi so I'm done for awhile🤣
Haha thanks - enjoy the Seiko, it's a great design!
@@PerthWAtch Agreed! I love the Seiko 5 range off watches and I even got $80 off the price from Prouds at Carousel.
what's up with the stains on the strap?
It’s up-cycled firehose material.
Specifically, the hose material used for the strap has writing along it's length - what looks like a stain is the lettering, it's just too wide to be able to see it properly within the width of the strap
@@lapelcelery42 well, whatever it is, it still looks like a stain. the ones on the website looks like strips, this looks hideous, like a painter was wearing it and got some white paint on the strap.
I really like the product but it's grossly overpriced For the specs
Yeah some others said so also
With such a dial design, the date window ruins everything
Everything?
Lol a 16mm thick generic "diver" (with only 100m water resistance?) with an NH35 for $900. Apparently these guys are entirely unaware of their competitors in the Microbrand Diver sector. Did they even bother to look at the pricing of Traska and Nodus divers with equivalent movements?
I guess they’re hoping that the more unique points would attract followers. Would be keen to know how the sales have been!
you can get the whole helm lineup for the price of one ... forgot what they’re called
Haha no you can't!
Nice review. An interesting watch, but not something I would buy.
Way too expensive for what you are getting. Do not like the minute track, too difficult to tell the time. Has a very old-fashioned look, not something I like.
Another big issue is the thickness, but not beacause of just that . It’s pretty thick but only 100m wr. Usually thickness would add the to increased durability or water resistance. Your not getting any benefit to the thickness here.
Others might not be bothered by these things but kill any chance of me purchasing this particular watch.
Hey you make some good points there, good observations and thoughts!
Perth WAtch Thanks. There is nothing wrong with 100M WR, but why have such a thick watch without a benefit to it.
That is yellow gold, not rose gold.
Is it?
@@PerthWAtch yes. .. this is the rose gold version : williamwoodwatches.com/collections/valiantcollection/products/therosewatch
Interesting!
@@PerthWAtch I wasn't trying to come off as a dick, just noticed a couple videos of yours today that I watched called yellow gold, rose gold. The other was the spinnaker spense with the black case and yellow gold bezel/accents.
No worries man... for some of these I just go by what the company told me.
Good looking watch. $900 worth with a NH35 movement? Not on your life. Pass.
Haha yeah I get you. Not defending the price, but what do you think of Seven Fridays with Miyota 8 series movements for over $1k?
@@PerthWAtch yeah that's ridiculous.
Looking good, I just hate when microbrand choose to use an unknown man name as the name of the brand
Would it necessarily be better if it was a big celebrity? Who - Brad Pitt watches??
@@PerthWAtch No, a brand name such as vacherin constantin or Tissot with a real horological history is fine, others with name popped out of nowhere is weird imo
Ridiculous. You would have to really want to get rid of your money to spend that for this silly watch. Just no! Looks cobbled together by a 10 year old. My grandfather tuna doesn’t look that tall on the wrist ! And it only cost me a little bit more than this dorkmaster. The only good idea was the fire- engine stuff. They could have made a sweet watch using the pressure gauge from the fire engine dash, with a power reserve or something (REC watches style) with more brass like old fire hose fittings. That’s what I would expect for that asking price. But no. We got some nonsense.
Thanks for sharing those thoughts Aaron.
The seagull shit distressed strap is... distressing.
Haha good one - how did you know it's seagull??
The font completely ruins this watch. Such poor choices. And the whole point of sandwich is to have epic lume. Theyve been undercut there
Sandwich is for epic lume!? All the sandwiches I have seen have failed epically in that case!
What’s wrong with the font?
Perth WAtch wow really? The font would look better in white. Too many different types and potentially too much script on the dial. Just doesn’t work imho
Ala Rolex Sub!
650£ for a seiko nh35a ... way toooo overpriced 🤣
Yeah I think many will the value proposition here to be pushing the envelope given you can get Swiss Made pieces for the price (or even slightly less).
Wayyyyy overpriced for the specs Ivan. Nice looking watch but I've got "several" other brands, including micro brands which to me are lot better value & better specs! Computer says no!👎🏼🤪
Fair enough Andrew, I get where you're coming from.
Interesting back story but way overpriced and overall fairly generic looking. Even with a sellita or ETA movement this would overpriced. Obviously, my own opinion.
One can opt for the Sellita/ETA version for £995 :)
To be honest at 995 I would swing for a Tag H quartz. These nh 30 series movements don't do it for me.OK critisise quartz but nh,s are equally stamped out by the palletload and pretty dated by any standard?