Fr Benedict is a wonderful speaker! This was an excellent podcast: informative as well as uplifting. When you provide the opportunity for people to understand the history of CMRI, its benefits are innumerable. Thank you, God bless you and looking forward to more!
Thanks for this talk on Archbishop Thuc. A man who stood by the True Church to the end and stood alone among the high ranking clergy who came to the logical conclusion of why Vatican II was happening 🙏.
If it wasn't for all these Great Traditional Catholic Bishops, there wouldn't be any Catholic Church Today. They do not back down from the Truth! Your rewards are Great! Dominus Vobiscum!
Thuc congratulated himself in his 1982 memoirs for covering up child sex abuse. He gave the Palmar group apostolic succession. Yeah, by their fruits I do know them, and covering up for Thuc says a lot about you and the CMRI.
He comsecrated three Catholic Bishops and has helped to preserve the Catholic faith. If that's not a hero for you, then i don't know what is. Also, those other farsants lied to him and he condemned them when he found out.
I was very sad to hear that the SSPV does not recognize the CMRI because I have the utmost respect for Fr Jenkins and he's helped me so much on my journey.
Fr. Jenkins is well respected throughout the Traditional Catholic community. Pray that he and the rest of the SSPV eventually soften their stance on the Thuc Consecrations and, if nothing else, judge those Consecrations by their fruits. Such a change of heart would be wonderful for Unity.
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501 Amen! God Willing. This Podcast also has been very influential on me. Thank you. These are strange times. So much confusion. I pray the Lord lifts this from us so we can all be united again and see Catholicism prosper once more.
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501 truth of the matter is, that none of the SSPX ordinations are valid, because Marcel Lefebvre himself was not a priest or a bishop. And Archbishop Thuc reminded him of that in a handwritten letter, signed by him personally, he proposed that Lefebvre be re-ordained by him (Thuc) because he could not have been a valid priest/bishop, the reason was the troubles with Archbishop Lienart. Lienart was said to have been a 30th degree mason, BEFORE his episcopal elevation, and thus he was only a priest, and not a bishop. Bishop is not a sacrament in the sense of priest. Bishop elevation is not valid when you have fallen of the faith before your elevation. Elevation does NOT place a Mark on the soul, it is not an 8th sacrament. There is only one ordination Sacrament, and that is Priest. With bishop elevation you have to be on good terms with the Church otherwise it is not valid at all.
Small correction. Archbishop Thuc wasn't stopped from returning to his diocese in Hue, Vietnam by the control of the communists. The North Vietnamese didn't take control until 1975 with the fall of Saigon. Rather, he was barred from returning by American and Vatican authorities. American political and military officials had orchestrated the coup against Abp Thuc's younger brothers President Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu who headed the secret police. Their nephew Francis Xavier Van Thuan later became Cardinal Van Thuan after his release from prison. Vatican officials didn't want him to return because he was a traditionalist. And of course the Vietnamese Communists didn't want him to return as an inspiration to the faithful in Vietnam.
Yeah, this is wrong. See the Jarvis book "Sede Vacante: The Life & Legacy of Archbishop Thuc". Thuc was part of an evil political regime responsible for repression of Buddhists. Thuc also covered up child sex abuse in Vietnam. Thuc was one of the most liberal at Vatican II - he was silenced for demanding non-Catholics be at the council. He also pushed for the ordination of women. In Vietnam he encouraged liturgical experimentation, prior to Vatican II. Thuc was never a "traditionalist" but instead an opportunist whose driving force was Ngo family Vietnamese Catholic Realpolitik.
After I heard this podcast I wanted to go back and listen to Fr. Francis Miller's talk he gave at the Fatima Conference, but I can't find it. It used to be on the Traditional Catholic Sermons Webpage. It was a very good talk, and goes into detail up until the point Archbishop Thuc was taken.
That is a very nice thing to say. Thank you. I live in Bavaria and would love to connect with more European Catholics. I am trying to get a better network. If interested, send me an email at kevin89davis@gmail.com
I don't mean to be impolite but that's no where near the truth. Since the consecrations at Econe in 1988 and subsequently after the Ecclesia Dei commission during the John Paul II era perhaps hundreds of priestly ordinations have been performed. I will try and find the link that explains the various sources of ordination that have taken place since the mid 1960s. hundreds
@@timfronimos459The Ecclesia Dei "Ordinations" were performed by "Novus Ordo Bishops" who aren't traditional Rite Catholic Bishops. My comment was specifically directed at the pre-1968 Bishops who Consecrated validily Ordained Priests in the traditional Rite.
They both covered up child sex abuse. The new book "Pope at War" has the evidence about Pius XII, and Thuc's own memoirs in 1982 describe how he covered up abuse. Pius XII demanded silence against crimes against humanity. Again, detailed in the 2022 book "Pope at War."
If you read the "Letter of “The Nine” to Archbishop Lefebvre," which resulted in their expulsion from the SSPX in 1983, John Paul II isn't mentioned in it.
"The Nine" (the four expelled priests plus five who voluntarily left the SSPX) refused to accept Lefebvre's insistence on the 1962 Missal even though they were aware of his position before they were ordained. The first four priest were expelled for liturgical matters (not theological matters).
@@presbyterhispanicus834 The 9 were expelled/left over the issues in their letter which can be found online. Sedevacantism was not the primary reason. Regarding the issue of the 1962 missal: At the 1976 First General Chapter it was sanctioned that the US could use the Missal, Breviary, Calendar and Rubrics of Pope St. Pius X. One of the 9 was ordained that year and 2 had been ordained in the years prior. Clearly there was no insistence from Lefebvre at that point nor could they know what the future held. 4 more were ordained between 1977 and 1981, prior to Lefebvre's 1982 imposition. The last 2 were ordained in 1982 when the issue was still being hashed out between the US clergy and Lefebvre.
@@presbyterhispanicus834 I was told by someone there at the time that the issues were more than liturgical; the issues of annulments and novus ordo priests in the Society ranked high and both of which are addressed in the letter of the 9.
Father Cekada's account is addicting to me! A fighter. I thought it was 9 plus 4...as opposed to 5plus 4. People Inc clergy can be traditional and realize they are not correct on a smaller issue. I this age,so much deception... Few are going to get everything perfect in a day. The 9 unite us... We all have / had at least one. I am so proud of there bravery!!!!
"The Five" were expelled by Archbishop Lefebvre for two principle reasons: they didn't want to say the '62 Missal/Breviary, and they didn't think they should say "officially" that their chapels would be open to NuChurch or the NO, when they had no intention of allowing the NO in the chapels. Both were undertaken by the SSPX as conciliatory measures as +Lefebvre sought permission to consecrate a bishop to continue the SSPX. Further, the issues with +Thuc's consecrations weren't just his mental state, but many irregularities that were reported...hence, Fr. Kelly. Fr. Jenkins, and Fr. Cekeda went to investigate...
Fathers Sanborn, Jenkins and Kelly traveled to Germany to investigate the Thuc consecrations. Fr. Jenkins has told the story and outcome of said trip on his You Tube chanel, What catholics believe.
It's a cult, with an anti-pope. My personal opinion is that Abp. Thuc consecrated loosely and freely, and made a ton of terrible judgments. But the validity of his consecrations can't be denied, it's just a fact that they happened
The other non sede trads say abp thuc ordained known homosexuals. Is that true? I've heard the sspv and various recognize and resist types of priests make this claim.
Jean Laborie tricked Archbishop Thuc to get orders from him (just like palmarians did). When Archbishop Thuc found out his true nature, he rebuked and departed from him, like he did with palmarians when he found out about their true nature. Then he consecrated the three valid Bishops: Guérard Des Lauriers, Carmona y Zamora.
Hello everyone Peace be with you all. I felt moved to share this video with everyone here. It was made by hands down my favorite Catholic Apologist Dr. Gerry Matatics. His resume speaks for itself and he has a much different take on the Thuc line of Bishops and Priests etc etc and I urge you to watch and learn about how things REALLY played out. The fact that no one will debate Dr. Matatics in the "Thuc line of Bishops being validly Consecrated camp" speaks volumes. Please have a watch and join us daily on Dr. Matatics Facebook page...here is the link to the video in which he talks about whether or not the Thuc line of Bishops is valid or not. If you have any questions for him he is very approachable and would love for you to join him/us during his daily live broadcasts so by all means don't be shy. He starts talking specifically about Archbishop Thuc at the 22 min mark (when I asked my question mentioning this video) but the entire video is very relevant. Thanks for reading and God Bless! fb.watch/bA2Lk4gils/
Who's Gerry Matatics to tell Bishop Thuc he can't Consecrate pre-Vatican 2 ordained Priests? Thuc line is the only 1 which produced pre-V2 Priests being Consecrated as Bishops.
@@E.C.2 If you have any questions for him, he would be more than happy to take the time and answer them. You can join us during "ANY" live broadcast regardless of the subject and he will welcome you with open arms and respond to any questions or comments you may have. You can also email him or call him...all of his contact info is on his Facebook page including his daily broadcast schedule. God Bless!
No one will debate him? Are you sure about that? If so, it’s a non sequitur to say it’s because they fear him or believe his position is correct. Many clerics will not debate layman, no matter how “impressive” their credentials.
Sometimes I wonder if Gerry wanted to be a married Priest,no one would allow it,so he became Home alone? Also,I've noticed some Protestant converts bring their evangelical theology to traditional Catholicism. I watched parts of the video and everything he talks about is during NORMAL TIMES within the Church while having a Catholic Pope.
We traditional Catholics have the Mass, that's all that matters, please let us all be United by this great Grace.
Fr Benedict is a wonderful speaker! This was an excellent podcast: informative as well as uplifting. When you provide the opportunity for people to understand the history of CMRI, its benefits are innumerable. Thank you, God bless you and looking forward to more!
This was so very helpful!! Thank you so very much for putting these 3 episodes together!! Thank you so very much, Father Benedict!
Thank God for Archbishop Thuc.
Thank you for doing these !!!
Excellent info, thank you
Thanks for this talk on Archbishop Thuc. A man who stood by the True Church to the end and stood alone among the high ranking clergy who came to the logical conclusion of why Vatican II was happening 🙏.
If it wasn't for all these Great Traditional Catholic Bishops, there wouldn't be any Catholic Church Today. They do not back down from the Truth! Your rewards are Great! Dominus Vobiscum!
excellent podcast! Thanks for the info!
Just found out about you... Thank you and God bless you Viva Cristo Rey Ava Maria
Deo Gratias! Thank you for this! Calumny is rampant in the sspx over this issue. By their fruits you will know them.
Thuc congratulated himself in his 1982 memoirs for covering up child sex abuse. He gave the Palmar group apostolic succession. Yeah, by their fruits I do know them, and covering up for Thuc says a lot about you and the CMRI.
"he covered sex abuses". Urban legend at its worst. Go away and stop saying nonsense, modernist sectarian.
Name of memories? Book?@@tridentines7878
Bishop Thuc is my hero!
🤦♂️🤦♂️you can’t be serious!? He consecrated non Catholics!
He comsecrated three Catholic Bishops and has helped to preserve the Catholic faith. If that's not a hero for you, then i don't know what is. Also, those other farsants lied to him and he condemned them when he found out.
I'm sorry for you
@@JMN40He did not knew the intentions behind.
I was very sad to hear that the SSPV does not recognize the CMRI because I have the utmost respect for Fr Jenkins and he's helped me so much on my journey.
Fr. Jenkins is well respected throughout the Traditional Catholic community. Pray that he and the rest of the SSPV eventually soften their stance on the Thuc Consecrations and, if nothing else, judge those Consecrations by their fruits.
Such a change of heart would be wonderful for Unity.
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501 Amen! God Willing. This Podcast also has been very influential on me. Thank you.
These are strange times. So much confusion. I pray the Lord lifts this from us so we can all be united again and see Catholicism prosper once more.
@@WhiterunMenace Amen
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501 truth of the matter is, that none of the SSPX ordinations are valid, because Marcel Lefebvre himself was not a priest or a bishop. And Archbishop Thuc reminded him of that in a handwritten letter, signed by him personally, he proposed that Lefebvre be re-ordained by him (Thuc) because he could not have been a valid priest/bishop, the reason was the troubles with Archbishop Lienart.
Lienart was said to have been a 30th degree mason, BEFORE his episcopal elevation, and thus he was only a priest, and not a bishop.
Bishop is not a sacrament in the sense of priest. Bishop elevation is not valid when you have fallen of the faith before your elevation. Elevation does NOT place a Mark on the soul, it is not an 8th sacrament. There is only one ordination Sacrament, and that is Priest.
With bishop elevation you have to be on good terms with the Church otherwise it is not valid at all.
Outstanding podcast. God bless.
Thank you! God bless.
Small correction.
Archbishop Thuc wasn't stopped from returning to his diocese in Hue, Vietnam by the control of the communists.
The North Vietnamese didn't take control until 1975 with the fall of Saigon.
Rather, he was barred from returning by American and Vatican authorities.
American political and military officials had orchestrated the coup against Abp Thuc's younger brothers President Ngo Dinh Diem
and Ngo Dinh Nhu who headed the secret police.
Their nephew Francis Xavier Van Thuan later became Cardinal Van Thuan after his release from prison.
Vatican officials didn't want him to return because he was a traditionalist.
And of course the Vietnamese Communists didn't want him to return as an inspiration to
the faithful in Vietnam.
Yeah, this is wrong. See the Jarvis book "Sede Vacante: The Life & Legacy of Archbishop Thuc". Thuc was part of an evil political regime responsible for repression of Buddhists. Thuc also covered up child sex abuse in Vietnam. Thuc was one of the most liberal at Vatican II - he was silenced for demanding non-Catholics be at the council. He also pushed for the ordination of women. In Vietnam he encouraged liturgical experimentation, prior to Vatican II. Thuc was never a "traditionalist" but instead an opportunist whose driving force was Ngo family Vietnamese Catholic Realpolitik.
It would be great to hear Fr Francis Miller talk about what he knows regarding Bishop Thuc
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After I heard this podcast I wanted to go back and listen to Fr. Francis Miller's talk he gave at the Fatima Conference, but I can't find it. It used to be on the Traditional Catholic Sermons Webpage. It was a very good talk, and goes into detail up until the point Archbishop Thuc was taken.
@@cademitchell7053 the one by Vatican Catholic is good also
Fr Miller is my Pastor
I listened to his talk just the other day. ❤ God Bless Archbishop Thuc!
The most interesting channel which i discovered in internet. Especially when you live in Poland, and you have only SSPX and one sede priest.
That is a very nice thing to say. Thank you. I live in Bavaria and would love to connect with more European Catholics. I am trying to get a better network. If interested, send me an email at kevin89davis@gmail.com
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501 With pleasure i'll starting contact with you.
Lux Vera website has listings of trad chapels in Europa.
Bp.Ramolla + Fr.Moylan are active in East Germany.
@@catholicfamilypodcast5501is sedevacantism legal in Germany??
Now have a bishop sede
Dear. God, thank you for Archbishop Thuc.
What's even more amazing is only 3 Bishops after August 1968 have Ordained and Consecrated using traditional Rite of Holy Orders.
I don't mean to be impolite but that's no where near the truth.
Since the consecrations at Econe in 1988
and subsequently after the Ecclesia Dei commission during the John Paul II era perhaps hundreds of priestly ordinations
have been performed.
I will try and find the link that explains the various sources of ordination that have taken place since the mid 1960s.
hundreds
@@timfronimos459The Ecclesia Dei
"Ordinations" were performed by
"Novus Ordo Bishops" who aren't traditional Rite Catholic Bishops. My comment was specifically directed at the pre-1968 Bishops who Consecrated validily Ordained Priests in the traditional Rite.
@@E.C.2 Got it.
Sede Vacante: The Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc by Edward Jarvis is an excellent read on Archbishop Thuc.
Slurs against this great man remind me of slurs against Pope Pius XII...
They are so important to Catholics... That is why they are falsely attacked
They both covered up child sex abuse. The new book "Pope at War" has the evidence about Pius XII, and Thuc's own memoirs in 1982 describe how he covered up abuse. Pius XII demanded silence against crimes against humanity. Again, detailed in the 2022 book "Pope at War."
If you read the "Letter of “The Nine” to Archbishop Lefebvre," which resulted in their expulsion from the SSPX in 1983, John Paul II isn't mentioned in it.
"The Nine" (the four expelled priests plus five who voluntarily left the SSPX) refused to accept Lefebvre's insistence on the 1962 Missal even though they were aware of his position before they were ordained. The first four priest were expelled for liturgical matters (not theological matters).
@@presbyterhispanicus834 The 9 were expelled/left over the issues in their letter which can be found online. Sedevacantism was not the primary reason.
Regarding the issue of the 1962 missal: At the 1976 First General Chapter it was sanctioned that the US could use the Missal, Breviary, Calendar and Rubrics of Pope St. Pius X. One of the 9 was ordained that year and 2 had been ordained in the years prior. Clearly there was no insistence from Lefebvre at that point nor could they know what the future held. 4 more were ordained between 1977 and 1981, prior to Lefebvre's 1982 imposition. The last 2 were ordained in 1982 when the issue was still being hashed out between the US clergy and Lefebvre.
@@littlerock5256 In conclution: the problem between "The Nine" and SSPX was not theological, but liturgical.
@@presbyterhispanicus834 I was told by someone there at the time that the issues were more than liturgical; the issues of annulments and novus ordo priests in the Society ranked high and both of which are addressed in the letter of the 9.
Father Cekada's account is addicting to me! A fighter.
I thought it was 9 plus 4...as opposed to 5plus 4.
People Inc clergy can be traditional and realize they are not correct on a smaller issue.
I this age,so much deception... Few are going to get everything perfect in a day.
The 9 unite us... We all have / had at least one. I am so proud of there bravery!!!!
What about Bishop datessen. He to was consecrated validly by Archbishop thuc. Gbu. + His Excellency Steven Hartley
"The Five" were expelled by Archbishop Lefebvre for two principle reasons: they didn't want to say the '62 Missal/Breviary, and they didn't think they should say "officially" that their chapels would be open to NuChurch or the NO, when they had no intention of allowing the NO in the chapels. Both were undertaken by the SSPX as conciliatory measures as +Lefebvre sought permission to consecrate a bishop to continue the SSPX.
Further, the issues with +Thuc's consecrations weren't just his mental state, but many irregularities that were reported...hence, Fr. Kelly. Fr. Jenkins, and Fr. Cekeda went to investigate...
Fathers Sanborn, Jenkins and Kelly traveled to Germany to investigate the Thuc consecrations. Fr. Jenkins has told the story and outcome of said trip on his You Tube chanel, What catholics believe.
Research the palmarian church before you decide it’s not a big deal regarding his judgment
We have. Thanks.
It's a cult, with an anti-pope. My personal opinion is that Abp. Thuc consecrated loosely and freely, and made a ton of terrible judgments. But the validity of his consecrations can't be denied, it's just a fact that they happened
He will be canonized to saint, also Archbishop Lefebvre...
The other non sede trads say abp thuc ordained known homosexuals. Is that true? I've heard the sspv and various recognize and resist types of priests make this claim.
Jean Laborie tricked Archbishop Thuc to get orders from him (just like palmarians did). When Archbishop Thuc found out his true nature, he rebuked and departed from him, like he did with palmarians when he found out about their true nature.
Then he consecrated the three valid Bishops: Guérard Des Lauriers, Carmona y Zamora.
Hello everyone Peace be with you all. I felt moved to share this video with everyone here. It was made by hands down my favorite Catholic Apologist Dr. Gerry Matatics. His resume speaks for itself and he has a much different take on the Thuc line of Bishops and Priests etc etc and I urge you to watch and learn about how things REALLY played out. The fact that no one will debate Dr. Matatics in the "Thuc line of Bishops being validly Consecrated camp" speaks volumes. Please have a watch and join us daily on Dr. Matatics Facebook page...here is the link to the video in which he talks about whether or not the Thuc line of Bishops is valid or not. If you have any questions for him he is very approachable and would love for you to join him/us during his daily live broadcasts so by all means don't be shy. He starts talking specifically about Archbishop Thuc at the 22 min mark (when I asked my question mentioning this video) but the entire video is very relevant. Thanks for reading and God Bless!
fb.watch/bA2Lk4gils/
Who's Gerry Matatics to tell Bishop Thuc he can't Consecrate pre-Vatican 2 ordained Priests? Thuc line is the only 1 which produced pre-V2 Priests being Consecrated as Bishops.
@@E.C.2 If you have any questions for him, he would be more than happy to take the time and answer them. You can join us during "ANY" live broadcast regardless of the subject and he will welcome you with open arms and respond to any questions or comments you may have. You can also email him or call him...all of his contact info is on his Facebook page including his daily broadcast schedule. God Bless!
@@Will-ul2xg I'm good but thank you.
No one will debate him? Are you sure about that? If so, it’s a non sequitur to say it’s because they fear him or believe his position is correct. Many clerics will not debate layman, no matter how “impressive” their credentials.
Sometimes I wonder if Gerry wanted to be a married Priest,no one would allow it,so he became Home alone? Also,I've noticed some Protestant converts bring their evangelical theology to traditional Catholicism. I watched parts of the video and everything he talks about is during NORMAL TIMES within the Church while having a Catholic Pope.