Real 3D Scanner vs iPhone 13 Pro Max LIDAR Comparison | Revopoint Pop 2!
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- Measurements, face scanning, object scanning, textures and more will be shown in this comparison between the newly released RevoPoint Pop 2 Vs the 3D sensors on the iPhone 13 Pro Max that includes a lidar scanner, Face ID, depth sensor, IR camera and dot projector. We shall also look at software and 3rd party applications designed to use with iPhone.
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I wish you could have shown the mesh in Edit mode to see how many vertices, edges and faces there were. That would be interesting to see how much data it created.
Yes I would really be surprised if it could go straight to 3D print and I would think the polygon count would be to high for game play.
That is where zbrush and decimation master come in.
I'd be curious to see how these devices perform on a construction site, for as-built recordkeeping.
It could be great as evidence in case of a insurance/liability claim
Hi I don’t think either one of these would work good for as built recordkeeping. Been working for a survey company for 20 years and knowing surveyors your best bet would be a lidar station. Also you can only collect a small amount of data at a time. We are currently using a DJi 300 drone with a yellow scanner on it which allows us to do a site very accurately in a short period of time. One of the solutions might be good for smaller areas like a handicapped ramp
So that revopoint scanner demands constant Internet connection to compute stuff on the cloud? I thought 3d scanners are offline devices. What a let down.
A great video. We're still in the early stages of consumer lidar technology. Some people will remember how mediocre phone cameras were 10-15 years ago, and a lot of us get great results with them now. Something similar could happen with lidar. Pop 2 was very impressive with the face scan, but you might have to spend more money to construct 3D models of jewelry because of the difference in scale. A possible workaround for small distances might be visible light photography/photogrammetry, but with more images in future versions of Meshroom, PhotoScan, RealityCapture, etc. Existing software might work if you used a macro lens with a DSLR.
Processing in the cloud?? That’s never a free word Cloud 😂 so what’s the deal with that? We have to pay for our scans? Because there’s NO reason to use a Cloud renderer unless features are only available to there paid cloud service. SO do we have to pay for better scanning or is my duel A6000 ok?
Cedric ! So fun to find you here ^^. Hope you're doing well. I'm thinking of buying this 3d scanner. Your question is crucial indead ! I also hope it's free ! On their documentation, it says it's using Alibaba Cloud Server to process data but don't talk about the cost. I'll ask them soon about that.
Exactly add a damn sdcard
Seeing that you need to upload the data to the cloud to analyse it, the device will only work as long as their service is working.
Ive scanned a Ford F550 recently with my 13pro using Metascan. It does pretty well... but does start to artifact once i get back to where i started (at the front of the truck)
Would have been interesting to see EM3D or Capture used on the bust versus LIDAR.
It doesn't make much sense that the scan would look detailed when textured, even responding properly to changes in the 3D lighting, and then magically have no detail underneath. Are you sure it's not using a normal map to create the detail that stops being applied when you remove the textures? Because if so and you really need the model itself to be high-poly, it's a pretty simple process to bake the normal map in and make it part of the mesh.
Just got the 13 Pro Max .There's other 3d apps that show better quality, than the one featured. Many compelling reasons to go phone instead of scanner. Would have gone Samsung, but they discontinued their alternative, scanning feature, on the new ones. Apple seems committed to Lidar. Should give developers confidence to further improve the scan softwares for the phone.
In the demo on the Kickstarter, they scan an action figure. Have you tried to do that? Curious what kind of small detail it can capture. Thanks!
any information on it's performance scanning larger objects like homes or full rooms?
it's hot garbage. apply any money you thought about spending on the rev point and apply it to either an iphone, or a mac mini (to run Object Capture) with whatever camera you would like to use.
@@constructiverealities Yeah sure, because the iPhone as shown here creates such great scans that you absolutely do not need anything else than a iphone for creating wonderful scans and most definitely better than the Pop2.
Sounds like you're a Apple fanboy who can't handle the fact that Apple things aren't the best at everything.
The Video I have been looking for!
Nice review! I headed right to the link to buy one, but then I saw the price. Still not quite hobbyist price yet.
Thanks for watching mate :) Did you end up buying something else instead?
Thanks for sharing! As an avid outdoors person, I was wondering if you could do a video on scanning wildlife tracks in snow or soft ground. Tracks such as dogs, coyotes, deer, etc. would be very cool to see the iPhone 13's lidar scanning capability. Cheers!
How long would it take to scan the full body of a person with either of those?Considering the larger size compared to a face, would the lower resolution of the iPhone be sufficient to scan a full body?
This is really helpful. Thank you,
AMAZING CONTENT AND INFO... YOU ARE THE MAN
Cheers mate!!!
Interesting video but there are far better iPhone 3d scanning apps, Heges and Scanniverse to name but a few. Could you scan a lego block with the POP 2 please? The iPhone LIDAR is unable to scan one in my experience yet the front facing true depth camera can with no problem.
yeah, he used some shit apps to be honest
@MrStoofus What did you use to edit the mesh and did you get the hollow underside and cylindrical feature inside with it? Did you scan free hand or have the phone fixed and use a turntable? Have you tried Heges or scandy pro for true depth scans?
why it cannot scan lego block? Too small?
Scan a d&d mini figure for the ultimate details torture test (vs software taking a fuzzy point cloud and just turning everything into a blob)..
Also, did ya get a CR-Scan lizard from creality to compare?
HOW EXPENSOVE IS CLOUR BASED RENDERING?
Which one is best?
Great video! I am definitely tempted by the Pop 2 and am looking at it specifically for face/head scanning. Could you tell me if you tried the dark/hair scanning mode, please? This was a major weakness of the original Pop. Revopoint claim they have improved things, but I haven't seen any demos of it!
i'll save you the time. don't. on paper it's a pretty good scanner, but the software is horrible and the workflow is too hard for anyone but the most dedicate to get to work well.
Hey nice video! Something a bit different in relation to a phone x phone comparison. Sure, different tech for different markets but it's nice to see the difference in each and what's possible from them. Keep up the good work!
What is the best smartphone in 2022 for 3D scanning?
Any thoughts on the Pop2 vs the new Creality Lizard (soon via Kickstarter)?
Bro, u deserve more subs
It would be interesting to see if this Revopoint Pop 2 could be used to scan weathered headstones, and if it would be a worthwhile investment for that (not interested in scanning anything else... and can't afford an iPhone).
It probably could you would just need a bigger 3-D scanner like an optimist P1
Nice , good comparition .
Does the PC version is cloud based also?
thanks for a very informative video. Just tried EM3D today - quite good but I am keen to know if things have progressed today with better apps for the iPhone to capture faces in 3D with the rear cameras.
iPhone 13 has the worst TrueDepth scanning of any apple product ever made. So this is a semi accurate test. But not completely fair. But not unfair lol.
The iPhone 13 pros moved the true depth camera to change the notch. The result is that the sensors are closer together and less parallax follows.
My iPhone 11 base model is a whole other world of quality compared to iPhone 13 pro. My iPad Pro 12.9” is also roughly the same as the 11. But better final texturing from the better front camera.
Maybe it will be improved for 14 or maybe front LiDAR will get a boost who knows.
Photogrammetry is still much better than any consumer IR or LiDAR. So everyone should just use that.
The scanning tech in the iPhone is quite impressive, considering that it's just built into the phone.
On a side note, what camera did you use to capture yourself when talking? It has a strange sharpening effect to it. Not a big deal, but wanted to provide some feedback nonetheless.
don't believe the iPhone part of this video. I do use the SCanner app myself on a iphone x without Lidar and it is WAY MORE impressive then in this video. He forgot to get closer to the object (no idea why his face is split, that doesn't happen quickly). If you get a bit closer, you even get the thickness of your eye lid (1mm) and other details.
@@artavenuebln yeah lidar on iPhone sucks but photogrammetry(that’s what you are talking about) can be done with any camera and gives waaay better results- my iPhone X does better photogrammetry scans than the 13 pro max does liest scans
@@artavenuebln and yeah he should have gotten closer to the object :as
@@mastas7 Hello Watson! No, you understood it wrong. I don't talk about photogrammetry. I talk about the iphone X (and higher) face tracker on the front cam to unlock the phone. it's live (like the purple stuff in his video). It's not really photogrammetry because the invisible laser dots will scan distance very well if you close enough. Or maybe you call that still photogrammetry? I call everything photogrammetry which is made from photos and maaaaybe drone videos, but with the facescanner (which is way more detailed then lidar i think) it's a different beast.
Impressive? It looks bad af. To have that type of detail i would rather design the whole thing my self. It is absolutely useless.
I've been trying to look for software to add my head to games. Can you tell me what you are thinking of using please?
You should have put your head on the rotating scan for proper comparison.
What’s the difference between car Lidar and IPhones dot projector?
The iPhone scanner is more universal, like with the iPhone you can scan a car or room
Nice, video. Can I use Revopoint Pop 2 for footwear 3d scanning? will it give m a fair enough accuracy? can you make one video in which you 3D scan a footwear
What is the name of the program you use on your iPhone?
What is the texture size with this POP2? The POP1 is only 2MP
I have the iPhone 13 Pro Max. Last night tested it out with all the 3-D scanning apps using a small model or my face similar to this video. I was pretty disappointed with the results nothing detailed enough To be usable for anything. I’m interested whether the new phone is any better but I’ll stick with looking at cameras design for this instead
I'm seeing a lot of negative reviews from people who are disappointed and it's very hard to determine if this is because these people are already used to a higher standard or if the device is actually bad.
12 pro and 13 pro, are there any differences between lidar sencors?
Hmm what about the rear sensor?
But not a single comment on price? A dedicated, single purpose product for $800 US or a multi-purpose product that comes in at maybe 75% of the quality but with some post touch ups, can probably get really close to equal quality. If you're doing 3D prints for your own customers, you'd probably want something with even more accuracy than the Revopoint Pop 2 anyway - as you mentioned, the captures were not perfect and when you only have one chance to capture a moment, would you really trust the Pop2?
So, IMHO, the Iphone 13 is perfect for a consumer. It cost me $300 to upgrade from my Iphone 11 and I get a LiDAR scanner that gets me close, and I still have maps to find my way home and make a call. A little Blender tweak and I'm 100% there. Or, I could spend $800, still need Blender post and have no other use for it. If I'm going to make money off of it, I'm going to invest in a professional product but they run ~1500 to infinity. Seems like the Pop2 is a so-so product for a so-so price.
What do you know about game dev? Clearly not much - you dont need high quality mesh for gaming, quite opositive - you build as low mesh as posible and compensating high quality details by adding textures, normal maps, etc to bring back the high details. Thats how you save memory which is very important.
The Pop2 is a lot cheaper.
Thank you for the awesome review! Now I can't go back to not spending 1k bucks. ^^; But it will be worth it!
I thought you would scan your face with your device, but you didn’t! 🤷♂️ How can I support you on kickstarter without this test?
What？
@@MichaelElsegood I thought you were the developer of Revopoint… 😁 anyway, I think you should do your face scan to compare iPhone and Revopoint. 🤙
I scanned my face with the iPhone and with the Revopoint, so I’m not sure what you mean?
@@MichaelElsegood sorry… I watched again and saw that you scanned your face with both devices. 👍
I’m watching on iPhone 13 Pro Max!
Oh man, you look a lot like me 😂🖤
I have an iphone 13 pro max and I dont know how to use it help?
Will the pop2 produce a RCP file for import into the AutoDesk ecosystem?
Can I get distance between two three points in real world units ? If so how to do that ?
Prosím, dá se Pop 2 použít na skenování pokojů/interiérů? Potřebovala bych to pro návrhy nábytku, jako zaměření. Děkuji
side question: what are you using as monitor?
Huawei GT 34 inch
Is there any promises that the next gen iphone will be better?
I very much doubt it
How’s things. What’s the range of each test products. With a longer self stick. Would be cheaper and higher res than a drone. Right ? Or maybe I went done a rabbit whole. Much as
My use would be for archaeology
What monitor are u using? Looks neat
I'm using a HUAWEI MateView GT 34-inch Sound Edition
@@MichaelElsegood nice
I mean you did use a terrible app for the face scanning using the TrueDepth camera, that thing is used to identify you. Its got an accuracy of up to 0.5 mm.
For fun
Hello, is there any way to merge the texture overlay quality from the iphone with the underlying accurate data from the POP2?
so... my question is-how can you purchase one? maybe it's obvious and I'm missing something but... I'd like to get my hands on this asap...
It’s in the description 👍
@@MichaelElsegood thanks... after I posted I later saw the link
COST?
Does Revopoint Pop 2 app works on Mac?
the phone one was a very bad example, its was like one of those infomercials exaggerating. you can get way better scans than that on your phone, also the app you use matters a lot, i can even get very good scans on my galaxy s22
does the samsung s21 ultra has the same scanner ?
WHAT IS THE BEST APP TO CAPTURE A PERSON’S BODY TO THEN SEND TO THIRD ORTY SOFTWARE?
@@anakarlabraz6618 APP, as most 3D scanners are way overpriced and have been for the past decade. Revopoint has a new handheld model that collects a high range of data, but it’s still a ball ache to collect an avatar image. We are changing the input to fractal in the hope that we can collect a full avatar in 30 seconds instead of two minutes. It’s so frustrating that the suppliers of scanners don’t get the principle that cheaper prices means a faster uptake of the tech that will in turn create cheaper manufacturing. For me, an APP is ideal because it would be a cheap solution and us humans have a tendency to make things complicated when they aren’t needed.
Can you make a video of how to make a 3D Scan into a Solid using Solidworks please 🙏🏼
Best bet is to just not bother, use the scan as a transparent overlay to 3d model your part underneath it. Too much effort to fill all holes to make a solid and then it’s next to impossible to actually work with even when it’s solid
Could you use POP2 to capture you smile face with open mouth. I am very interested on the details of teeth performances. Thank you.
You know I gave the RevoPoint scanner to my friend after I made the video, let me check with him, he might do it for you! Thanks for watching :)
The best iPhone front sensor result by far is with EM3D. Try it!
I shall certainly look into it, thanks for the tip mate! And thanks for watching :)
So the Pop 2 isn't out yet?
It is, check the link in the description.
The Lidar scanner on the back camera of iPhone 12 is many times better
ok.. so you dont seem to realise that with the revo.. you only got to the pointcloud stage.. you never actually textured it....
The Einscan SE blows the Revo away for just a little more. Everything else is a toy.
Capture is garbage. Other apps do a better job using the face id front facing scanner. Try testing something like Scandy instead.
The included white bust’s detail is garbage. Most of it is smooth
ofc iphone loses , cuz ur promoting Revopoint Pop 2
the tv:
22000 vs 1100 $ .................................................
I'm sure Chinese can do better for the money
Terrible comparison.
Cheers mate 👍 really appreciate your support
Stop looking right and left constantly, that's not a natural way of talking to people. Observe professional actors and learn.
I think you need therapy
@@MichaelElsegood I have received professional training about body language and have some many years in the industry, just shared my feedback so that you could improve your videos.
Of course you have chosen to stay ignorant about it and remain disrespectful to people who give you feedback.
The need of therapy I'm afraid is on your side.
Add learning to be "respectful" to your target audience.
Do it before learning more about body language, it's more important.
I’m afraid it was your blunt, arrogant and condescending tone that did nothing to convince me of your helpfulness. Perhaps your training didn’t help you with the understanding that it’s not what you say, but how you say it.
@@MichaelElsegood You need to understand, not everyone who are trying to support you may have the time or tolerance to babysit and convince. If you can't differentiate between direct talk and insult, and try to insult back instead, it will only reveal how much you value your comments section. You can try hard to insult back and try even harder to find a fault in my words, but all you will find is your own disrespect repeated in different versions. Remember, you are publishing videos to attract people from various backgrounds, not just the ones who will caress you with their words. If you continue to fail as you just did, the competition will only find it pleasing for sure.
I value the community who contributes to the discussion around the tech on this channel and stand by my previous words. Perhaps you should be a little more tolerant, and then people would be more open to your advice, if you don’t have the time to do that, which I imagine would only take an extra few seconds of typing and thought, then perhaps it is you that needs to realise a few things.
No thumbs up from me, you don't respond to any questions.
Hey! Get your audio off the floor- you're ears aren't on your ankles man!
did you record this on an iPhone 13pro too cause the color quality is terrible ngl you look like Mark Zuckerberg with those lifeless fish eyes XD (no hate)
No offence , but why you show your face too often?
You are talking a lot , and show shot results! Its not working
I’ll check your channel for tips :)
You've got a lot to say for someone with 6 subscribers.
@@RainSoxx yeah you are guru 8 sub! 😂
@@Mad-Flix666 way to miss the point. I'm not a UA-camr, if that's not abundantly clear. And I'm certainly not a NoobTuber trying to tell another UA-camr how to run their channel.
@@RainSoxx Noob Tuber,"? Where from you taking your judge? You are life teacher You are talking to people that you even don't know who they are. Base on facts you are Noob person just. And its not change fact that your friend making weak content and focus on showing his face-anomy not focus on content. If you are smart make some research in net, before you call somebody Noob.
any information on it's performance scanning larger objects like homes or full rooms?
The iPhone will actually be better for this because LIDAR scanners are designed to operate in large spaces, that's why they are attached the top of self driving cars. The Revopoint is better for smaller objects. Thanks for watching :)