Sonic Omens: A Loving CRITIQUE
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In this video, I'm bringing my game analysis skills to the fan game scene! Here I talk about the fundamental Issues of Sonic Omens and how they can be fixed for future releases!
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This felt like a ign review but actually good
So in other words not an ign review
@@Eman02kG basically yeah. Also love ur montages!
So a review from an actual Sonic fan?
@Ruby Williams who’re you?
@Ruby Williams your opinion bro i like his montages you don't need too
I actually didn’t see a problem with the boost until watching this. It’s nice to hear logical critique in order to see another side to things. I definitely felt like the game needed work, but this definitely showed me there’s even more to be done.
I don’t know why but I kind of like the thought of Sonic games having hectic bosses where you don’t get safe parts after hitting it. Just seems like it would work better since the dude is supposed to be fast and having fast hectic boss battles would be a nice challenge 🤔
You can have hectic fast bosses with good design like Bayonetta
The health bar aspect of the bosses as well as the semi unpredictable parents does bring a good chance so I think I agree with Rezigo
@@ItsNickForShort How are you with the idea of boosting being turned into a similar mechanic as that of Sonic Advance 2 and 3? You know, the longer you sprint, the best likely you'll get a boost (getting more rings in your hud would provide faster results).
@@robbiewalker2831 that’s not really a boost but if you mean like once you earn top speed you get that aura and invincibility? That sounds fire ngl
@@robbiewalker2831 I've been hoping to see this implemented for years tbh. Forgot it was already done in advance 2 and 3. To me earning a boost-like state would make it way more satisfying and challenging, especially since you would have to be very good at levels to maintain it.
Wait, how did you get past the tree palace level? The collision on the wall running section is completely broken
its fixed now
@@tommurchuis5464 yup. They are still patching stuff as they release demos. They release ocasional patches for major fixes like that one
Finally a good critique to the demo, most people either say it's perfect or straight up garbage, but in reality is far from both extremes, I think the boost should be scrapped or heavily nerfed because I like the bigger areas of the levels and more focus on exploration would be better.
Solid 8/10 imo
People are saying that’s is better than all boost and adventure games combined and I disagree. I’d rather play it over Forces and Colors (not a fan of Colors like most people are) but it’s not as good as peak Sonic which are the Adventure games and Unleashed/Gens.
@@jesuspernia8031 I’d probably say 6/10 no bias.
Good:
1. References are very good
2. Double jump was good
3. Shadow stages used his abilities correctly and good
4. Looks good
5. Exploration is implied
6. Shadows abilities are good
Bad:
1. Homing attack is TERRIBLE
2. That entire tree level
3. Tails stages in general
4. There are 2 tails stages so this is for the second one + that bad boss fight.
5. The bosses have WAYYY too much hp
6. Egg dragoon has a extremely easy attack but the melee is almost undodgeable
7. Camera control is bad
8. Not to be rude but shadow should’ve gotten a different voice actor
9. Patreon drama and that’s just scummy.
10. You can easily get lost in levels like the tree one or the one after that
@@gamercentral2417
After replaying, agreed. 6/10
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@@jesuspernia8031 facts
I'm pretty new to the sonic franchise, this being my first 3d sonic game, so I know I'm not the best person for this, but after hearing your concerns about the boost, I conducted an experiment on the first two levels (since they're the best ones). I did one playthrough where I held boost as much as possible and as you would expect breezed through the level without really feeling rewarded. However the second time I went back to the way I first played the levels.
You see, since I'm new to the sonic franchise, I tried to conserve boost as much as possible by only tapping the button to gain speed back and only holding it on a big loop or rail. After playing with this playstyle again, I can say it feels great to play. conserving speed while boosting in key parts to gain your speed back after a spring or something. And I'm not saying this to help the whole "You can chose how you want to play" argument, but rather a potential at a charge based boost system.
This would work as charges rather than a meter, giving you a burst of speed that you would have to conserve rather than constant speed. You could also only hold a few charges at a time (like 3 or 4) and only refill one with each boost tank (or whatever they're called) This would feel much more rewarding, as you would have to think more about when to use the boost, while also giving you the adrenaline flow from going 0 to 100. I would recomend replaying these levels with this playstyle, as it's a blast.
Also I thank you for giving an actual critique of the game, as I've seen SO MANY people dunking on the game without much reason besides "the stages are trash", "the demo has game breaking bugs" (oh no, an unfinished game having bugs?) " and then they use the fact that the devs tried to raise money on a patreon to act like this game needs to be perfect. It's not perfect, it's a sonic fangame, the main games aren't even perfect nowadays. While alot of the complaints were valid, I was just shocked seeing the levels of critique this fanbase had. They said just how terrible of a sonic fangame it was, but I just had to ask "where's the better ones you guys keep mentioning?". I just find this video a breath of fresh air, as it JUST talks about the game, and it's problems. Thank you so much for a great video essay.
Funnily enough that’s how the boost worked in Wii/PS2 Sonic Unleashed, and that version of the game(while lacking much of it’s 360/PS3 counterparts contents) feels better to play than say Generations in long stretches since you actually need to tactically use the boost as you suggested as well as a side benefit of platforming being more integrated into Day Stages.
People aren't saying "it has to be perfect" because money was raised for it, they're mad the devs tried monetizing it at all.
A monetized fan game could spell danger for future fan projects, because although Sega is fine with fan stuff they're unsurprisingly not too fond of people benefitting from their intellectual property.
Just look at a bunch of other Sonic fan games, none of them made money off their games, because they legally aren't allowed to.
This was your first Sonic game...? You should have played Robo Blast 2 instead.
@@AlphaZeroX96 Robo Blast 2 is my favorite Sonic game of all time, but it's really one of a kind platformer. It is tricky to get used to even if you're a Sonic fan, so Non-Sonic fans would just be scared off of the franchise.
I agree with a lot that you said, Tho I must say I like the boosting and how it's used in the game. (as a fan and well-experianced user of the boost mechanic)
Also, I will agree, the bosses were pretty annoying, good concept but a "could be better" execution.
I think doing a level as fast as you van with the boost is harder since you have so little time to actually think about what you are going to do next. Speedruns of the game shows it. By not using the boost you have all the time in the world to plan your next move.
@@nfstyles agree. You need to play the level more than one to have complete control of the boost. Or have really God like reflexes
@@EthanMastercrafter
But the game isn't designed around it. It leaves the gameplay feeling rather aimless and unfocused. Not really a fan. Either make it a Boost Game or an Adventure Game. There is no in-between. They are opposites.
Thanks for giving your opinion on the game. It’s been getting a lot of traction lately and has been given “the best 3D sonic game ever” title by default for its looks mainly. I’ve played it myself and it’s alright honestly. Nothing too crazy
Well... They don't wanna hear any critique, so... It's no use.
Where did you get that from? Lol
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Spoke to them in person
@@BigBossNakedSnake Same, I'm in their Discord server. Never got banned or anything for expressing my opinions.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Dude, russians - is the other half of the community.
@@BigBossNakedSnake Hum?
It looks great, but sadly as a member of the games industry I just can't support the projects patreon stuff. Regardless of the legality of accepting donations via patreon for a fan project, its still a third party profiting off of anothers IP in my eyes
Facts that needs to stop immediately, they ignore all my advice but the last one saying to stop getting profit and I’d be satisfied
@@ItsNickForShort Same! However if they did listen to the rest of the critque it'd be a massive massive bonus
I’m confused ignoring the legality what’s so bad about fan created games making any money?
@@robertdewhurst9031 There's a reason why industry devs don't allow for pre-ordering their games until after the reveal, when the game is already close to finish and with minimal risks of cancelling. Sonic Omens is far from that state, and there's a real risk of them abandoning the game at any point. Doing so will basically allow them to get away with your money without delivering what you paid for.
Plus, Sega doesn't like that.
@@bouteilledeau1463 oh that makes sense I never thought about it that way thanks for letting me know
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Oh Sega, HIRE THIS MAN!
He's using Infinity Engine,
In any way he can!"
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I agree wholeheartedly on the Tornado being an absolute mistake, but I think the level design for Sonic nails boost gameplay on the head. The thing that makes it work so well for me is just how quickly it drains. You have to constantly seek out more boost if you want to keep boosting, which leads to optimizing just how many enemies and rings you have to go out of your way for. The other good change is they kept the arc-y flying boost from the DS games and Forces, which when combined with slopes and springs allows you to skip sections and go even faster through skilled play.
Also, the Dragoon E-Zero is my favorite Sonic boss, period. It's poorly tutorialized, but once you figure out that you're supposed to boost and duck and weave it becomes some of the most fun I've had with a Sonic boss ever. It's incredibly skill-based due to having to manage boost and dodge incredibly fast attacks while punishing openings, as opposed to the usual Sonic affair of waiting to mash A. The only part I didn't like is that it ended.
honestly didnt realize the problem with the boost until you pointed it out. There's so much going on in these levels that are easily passed because "haha sonic go quick". being said, I feel that '06 did speed levels separate from platforming levels right, and this game could benefit from that type of mechanic if its going for mixed gameplay. However, if they really want to implement the "speed is key" style, Sonic GT's method on gaining speed was perfect imo, so i'd like to see that used. sidenote: Sega needs to take notes on shadow's gameplay, he's more than just a sonic clone
True that
I love both this game and gt for different reasons i suppose i like the idea of using boost if you can manage to survive. Also the option to boost when i want is cool. What i cant figure is the boost fans saying they would rather hold boost and beat the game then deal with the challenges this game held. I like difficulty which in the last 10 years of sonic game has been mindlessly easy. This game took a few tries and i enjoyed that. I do agree that the tree level sucks but the first 3 levels are amazing in my eyes.
They could make enemies that aren't destroyed by the boost, or just make the boost vincible as it already is to spikes.
@@slippyslappy2678 no boost fan is saying they want a boost to win sonic game. They hate forces for that just as much because it wasn't high quality like generations.
Nobody wants games like forces to be the future of sonic games
@@AK46supr in premys stream playing it there were people in the chat saying that they prefer forces over this game. My jaw dropped i was speechless. Its probably only a handful of people but yes there are people in the fanbase that liked how easy forces was.
I think the voice for Sonic is good, but... Shadow’s voice is beyond annoying
Still better than Kirk Thornton
I mean, it's a fan game, so I expected voice acting to not be perfect, it's not bad imo, but I can see why it could be annoying for some
While I understand why you don’t think the Boost formula doesn’t have a place in Sonic Omens, I argue that a compromise between Boost and Adventure is still possible. It’s all a matter of balancing the Boost mechanic.
What makes the boost mechanic mind numbing to some is the “boost to win” mentality attached to it, but what if that wasn’t the case. What if access to the boost was much more limited and there was a distinct upper threshold in speed that only the boost could access that momentum could never reach on its own? With this, it would require the player to be much more liberal with their boosts, only using it to gain access to areas that momentum would not be able to.
Sonic Colors had done this excellently in the past. By limiting the Boost to White Wisps and forcing the player to be smarter with when they boost, the developers were able to implement mechanics like ramps that reach new heights if you boost off of them instead of just exhausting the boost meter the moment it got filled up.
The game can still have the power of boost and the exploration of Adventure, it’s just of matter of designing levels that properly accommodate for it. What Sonic Omens is doing right now is make levels with sections for both styles, when what it needs is to make a new style that blends them together cohesively. A style that has open levels for exploration with sections that can only be accessed it the tools provided are used wisely.
I cannot stress this point enough. For the boost to have value, it must be limited and grant exclusive access to a greater top speed that is needed to unlock optional secrets and paths.
I think the praise centers around this and GT being the closest we've gotten to what we want in a sonic game. Sonic forces made me depressed playing it. while this game made me filled with joy.
As an on-and-off Sonic fan, it always baffles me how much this community restricts itself with this silly idea of "formulas".
The idea that "it's either black or white" it's so flawed that only exists because it's rooted in the fandom's pov about the games.
You've mistaken 'gimmicks' for 'assets' you have to manage - and use at the right time to achieve, for instance, a better time or score.
Saying that 'this isn't right because you can't boost all the time' it's like saying that Ultimate moves are useless in fighting games, because you can't use them all the time.
I think another good change would be to allow Sonic to roll by pressing RB and remove the quick-step entirely in favor for better horizontal movement.
Maybe replace the slide
I've been saying for forever now that the quick step should be ditched for better lateral movement while boosting, I feel so validated lol. And honestly using rolling to duck instead of slididng is so good, because it allows you to maintain the boost's speed while still allowing for fast-paced reflex sections like the ones where the slide is usually used in.
Yeah it feels too much like Sonic 4, where as soon as he jumps he immediately leaves his ball form to strike a pose, only to get blasted by enemies and lose all his rings.
nah just make the slide transition to a roll when going down hill
I don’t quite have a problem with the game itself, it’s fine, collision is Meh, and I wish the boost formula would just fuck off already, but it is still in testing so I guess that’s fine but the creators a schmuck. He’s profiting off of something that isn’t his and it could potentially form a Mario fan game problem since there are a lot of Mario fan games that were shut down by Nintendo. Now, SEGA of America’s pretty chill, but but Sega of Japan has had some big controversies when it comes to fan games, and if something like this is profiting off an IP that isn’t theirs could have SEGA crack down even harder like Nintendo does, and that just ain’t cool cuz stuff like Sonic Utopia, Time Twisted, and even Sonic World could have some major issues.
Here's how you correctly implement a boost mechanic into an adventure style. Make the boost act like a recovery mechanic. Simply greatly reduce the duration of the boost and tie it to your current ring count draining the rings for boost until 1 ring remains with the ability to disable it with one action. This way the boost serves as a reward to quick speed and speeding up the pace for retaining a high ring count while avoiding enemy contact. In essence rewarding speed for skill and avoidance.
Another interesting idea would be to attribute the amount of damage dealt not only to the type of attack used but also magnified by the speed at the point of contact. This could also incorporate something from the Heroes, Shadow, & 06 Games. Higher Enemy HP. If speed is what allows for more damage then momentum is also directly integrated into combat strategies and mechanics. This same philosophy could also apply to the bosses with high speed attacks being able to obliterate that health bar. Traversal and Combat are both tied into the momentum principle.
See, if you reduce the boosts effectiveness, what’s the point? I’d say get rid of it but just have an adventure styled sonic with more momentum and allow him to reach similar boost speeds but instead the players earns it instead of pushing a button for Max speed and invincibility.
@@ItsNickForShort Based.
Guy talking about how boss fights are hard
Me: Well... Let's be honest. Sonic boss fights these days are REALLY easy. I haven't played the game but from what I can tell these fights are challenging and seem really fun. If there's anything I like in a game. it's a good fight
These fights aren’t hard because they challenge the players skill, they’re difficult because they actively hide hazards and punish the player simply for attacking the boss. Legit you can just attack a boss and the boss isn’t stunned it just hits even though it was open.
@@ItsNickForShort Again I haven't played the game. And the boss fight I've seen is the 1st one and it looked really fun to me. I also remember seeing the Shadow boss fight and i think that's the one everyone hates the most but I still wouldn't mind too much. And after all everyone does have their own opinion on this game so *shrug*
I don't know guys, I think that second fight was horrendous.
First fight was fine but takes forever, hitting him doesn't feel impactful. But for the Shadow boss fight, that's possibly one of the worst boss for sonic history. It's too difficult to tell what's going on, easy to get punished, and there's no hitstun.
Just terrible.
they could stick with both adventure and boost formula since both are objectively great playstyles, but have them to be in their own levels, with their own stucture not trying to mix them in one
Good idea, kind of like the mach speed sections of Sonic 06.
Or just either underpower the boost or make certain enemies unboostable while giving sonic many platforming movement options in an open speedy platforming level/game. That is literally the best way to combine the 2
*This game is boost to win half of the time and half of the time you can't use the boost*
Sonic forces: *sweats nerviously*
I like Shadow's accent. It does need work, but I like the direction they're taking.
NOTE PLS READ: I'll have to respectfully disagree, as the boost mechanic as a "gimmick" as I would formulate it, as an option. If players ever feel the need to get that "High Score" or just a rush, the game would offer resources and challenges to accommodate players to go the route.
As for the Adventure style, you can choose to not boost. And take in the scenery and the environment, as shown at the very beginning of the level. Also boosting in every level might feel to redundant and overused, thats why offering a blend of adventure style while not catering to the overused side scroller, can offer a better and fresher experience.
So I believe the tree level was meant as a sort of answer to this half and half unique formula. Now you can speedboost in the tree level... but do you REALLY want to? There's always a choice to these factors that can truly make a great game amazing. By letting the player CHOOSE how they wish to play.
I would write more but I'm very lazy so srry if the explanation seemed rush or aggressive. Everyone had there own taste
Tails’s Tornado sections, Star Fox it is not.
Yea I thought that too, especially when during his flying section saying about how "I guess I can't fly much further..." Then get out a walk! Seriously! SA1 Tails is the best Tails (in 3D)! Annoyingly however I don't think they have any further plans to take the character selection beyond Sonic and Shadow, with Tails stuck in the Tornado, much like he was stuck in the mech walker in SA2 which is very disappointing to say the lest.
It has potential
But I checked and their patreon isn't a/b Sonic Omens? IDK, I'll look further but so far it seems to be original works on their Patreon. I'm taking you word for it though and keeping it in mind
RE: nvm found it "Wild Ridge" and "Wellspring" you were right kek
It used to be completely dedicated to Sonic 2020 (now Omens), they only changed it after ppl called them out. Funny that they didn't even remove all the content, but rather just slightly hid it under other stuff.
Being honest, I’m gonna have to call you out on this because, I see your point. That’s exactly what they’re going for, combining the two different styles into one. The problem I’m seeing here is that you’re looking at this as if they’re two different styles in the same game. Because these CAN work together in regards to a simple keyword: Options.
If you like boosting through a level as fast as humanly possible, you can.
If you like exploring a level at your own pace and being rewarded, even without the boost, you can.
It’s not really another playstyle so much as it is another option. You HAVE the option to use the boost. You HAVE the option not to. It’s less forcing players into a mentality than it is giving players an arsenal that they can use to their liking.
I love the adventure games, and I adore what they do. I also love the boost games(BARRING FORCES) for the challenge they offer. When it comes to having both sides of the spectrum in conjunction, what’s so bad?
The way I see it, the mentality is only their because it’s being perceived by players that have observed that issue for years. This is one of those things, honestly, where we need to be more open-minded and look at this through a different lens.
Alternately: That area where you’re running on the walls with the lasers in your path is a horrible example, as you have the quickstep at your disposal and it’s not that hard to immediately think on your feet on that front.
See that’s the issue because the level design doesn’t compensate for those options, you CAN memorize the entire stage to never stop boosting, but realistically the only times the player is enticed to boost is when there’s a straight line. In generations you never have to stop boosting except for homing attack chains, in this game you HAVE to stop because the LEVEL DESIGN is built accordingly for the option. If it REALLY WAS a matter of options then the level design would be built accordingly, but they aren’t. They’re built for a boost straight section and a stop boosting section, unlike gens masterful boost design and adventures fantastic fast but also exploration focused design. My arguments main focus was the level design I explicitly addressed this issue in the video.
Do you like GT?
Yee it’s pretty good
@@ItsNickForShort project hero, sonic world, utopia are great sonic fan games.
@@ItsNickForShort People are fear mongering that sega will go all out like nintendo even thought the patreon is for themselves for support and not for the fan game. I feel like splash dash just trashed on the fan game for the sake of pissing people off while you gave really good criticisms and flaws.
I very much disagree with the first half.
This game actually makes you work harder for your boost than most official games, rings fill it up the least & enemies barely give half a gauge somtimes while the capsules are the most reliable. If you actually dont do well you run out of boost very fast and leaves you vulnerable. This also gives good reasons for the power ups you mentioned.
When you cant boost you're left vulnerable, sonic is then open to enemy attack. It'd nice if we had different shields that do different things or replace the boost when the shield is active like mania. Plus sonic platforms in this so why use the boost in clear precision platforming? They give other movement options like the bounce, stomp, & homing attack.
And the exploration aspect i feel was a weird critique on your part. Its your fault if you choose to run past everything and not explore. Its the same in games like the classic trilogy, CD, sa1&2, unleashed, colors, & generations. They give you places and routes to explore- but if you're focused on just speed running the level, you will miss em. Its not the games fault but yours.
Personally, the game just isn't the same when running without the boost. You say you dont have to worry where you're going with the boost while you very much do. Theres spikes and sometimes pits you can boost off to if you aren't paying attention, and if you choose not to boost there are enemies that you'll have to be aware off that can shoot you- this is great for players choice of control. Plus the enemies can still shoot you while boosting or running out of boost. Since sonic is harder to control while boosting its an option button for if you're feeling alittle brave as you mastered the control of sonic in this game
Lastly, the section where you talk about the water section doesn't make sense to me. With or without boosting if you mess up and fall in then your punished the same way. You cant just boost out the water especially if your gauge is low. You're going to have to find your way to dry land and run it again. And the spin dash is in here for when you run out of boost. I can never understand someone talking about earning speed in sonic games were the spin dash is present. Its quickly gained speed just as much as the boost. Plus holding forward for sonics top speed doesn't feel earned when its easy to do, like most sonic games
Thats all
Unlike Boost, Spin Dash is terrain based though and relied heavily on the structure of the level design. You can't just mindlessly use Spin Dash if you're going uphill for example. For Boost however the angle of the level doesn't matter since boost doesn't require momentum. You go at top speed in any area
@@ugochib not quite cause especially in 3D games you can literally spin dash off any terrain and reach max speeds. 2D games do require a flat surface but gets quickly outted by the drop dash that literally can be done of any curve or surface.
Also the boost does go faster downhill and abit slower uphill. Momentum does play a part but not as much in the classic 2D games
People can have their cake and eat it. It's simple, make the BASE game Adventure style with exploration and have SPECIAL stages (Emeralds, special items etc) where you use the boost gameplay. It will add variety and incorporate both systems.
Sorry but I completely disagree with the points made about boost. Boost is highly rewarding. Managing boost meter is extremely important and the level of complexity involved with the gameplay is huge. I've spent the last 2 days finding tech and just today routing Chao Paradise for 8 hours. The next phase is implementing that into a single combo string of carefully timed jumps, grinds, hops etc. The reward comes from the fastest time in the same way you play a racing game. Shaving a few seconds without using a drift or using boost at this section here is what makes meter management important. It's only boost to win if you don't think strategically.
Sorry, I'm completely all of the points made in this video regarding boost. It's extremely well done and what I (and I'm sure others) have been wanting for a long time. If anything, I want more.
Not to plug my own video but it's related to the video (ua-cam.com/video/6rC8z-4zvIM/v-deo.html) this is from around 8 hours of playing Chao Paradise and trying to find new routes and optimising my gameplay. It's extremly precise, makes use of the environment and doesn't even come close to the "boost to win" mentality. If you learn how boost works, and spend time on the mechanics, you see the game (and the previous boost games) in a completely different way. As I said before, it becomes a racing game like Burnout and the alike.
This completely sums up my thoughts and experience
Things I'd like to fix
-Bosses should have less health to keep them from being Damage Sponges.
-Homing attack can be changed so that if you are CLOSE to enemies, the reticle appears regardless, but your range increases if the camera is faced to the enemy.
-Revamp the damn tree
-Boost should be reworked to avoid a "boost to win" situation like described here. Maybe bring UnWiished's Boost gimmick back, incentivizing you to save boosts for critical moments.
I think they should either weaken it or make certain enemies unbooastable so the player has to pay attention even more when boosting
You pointed good points if they take notes, it will be near perfect
The boost is definitely not useless, just not required. Like for Egg Dragoon E Zero, I used it as sort of a dodge and a way to immediately get up to it to hit it during the later sections when everything was super fast, it was fun as hell.
I agree with your points but I don't think removing the boost is necessary.
Personally, I think it would be better if they changed up the level design a bit to make it so that there are sections that compensate for both boost and adventure.
Like there are multiple paths where some make use of platforming and momentum while others have obstacles, turns and other challenges the player would need to boost through, both sets can reward the player with shorter routes, secrets, prizes and any other thing.
As for the boss fights and tornado stages, yeah they could use some work.
At that point the boost is just a section to use a gimmick, I’d personally rather have a more uniform game design in the levels
@@ItsNickForShort well I guess that makes sense but still I would like them to make the boost exciting in the game without removing it.
Also were you serious about the whole patreon thing being illegal cause it's the first time I'm hearing of it
Shadow's accent has actually grown on me a lot more than I expected. I thought it was jarring at first but then I grew to appreciate it. something abt it makes him sound more badass and I dig it.
I totally agree with what you said. As for bosses I'm typically a fan of bosses that can take a lot of hits, but in exchange give the player lots of chances to land quick hits. Attacks should be more telegraphed and for each phase, the player should get a small resting period to gather themselves. That and maybe zoom out the camera? I like that it's always focused on the bosses so you don't lose track of them, but games like SA2 never had any obstructive hazards to block you from the boss during boss battles.
You're gonna get a LOT of flack for this video for no reason lol
Gonna? It’s already in motion 😎
@@ItsNickForShort
I see no lies in this vid tho 😂
So?
@Mcheetah
The thing about the game being unfocused as a flaw, though. It makes a lot of the gameplay less engaging and the level design suffers as a result.
@Mcheetah You really just out here making the easiest claims about any review. I can say this about any review ever, and its valid. Here he addresses he prefers no boost. But gives a reason about how tryinf to merge 2 styles can make the level design suffer. And to be honest, you seem like the type of guy to defend sonic forces because guess what, every review of sonic forces pretty much brings up the same points, except here, it's well explained because it needs to be, you don't need to give any reason on why sonic forces level design is bad, it's like saying "oxygen is important." Or "twitter is a mob of 14 year old white girls cancelling people for a minor mistake they made 10 years ago." So instead of cherry picking. Actually watch the video. Because a real critique gives examples of the bad, and the good. Sorry your idea of a good critique is. "Oh this game is so good. And i can't code games so i MUST give this game a 10/10 even though the issues are blatantly obvious."
The music in the game definitely slaps though. Especially chao paradise.
Glad you liked the music! My part of the OST will be available on my channel in a week.
By the way, you can fresh your mind with Shadow's episode music: ua-cam.com/video/JurtV8Itf-U/v-deo.html
It's weird because I don't see a problem with either the Adventure or Boost gameplay styles utilised in Omens.
It's the fact that the devs combined both & now the obvious hindrance to gameplay & level design exists.
It feels like if you truly wanna combine both formula's into 1, you can only go as far as to incorporate different levels incorporating different gameplay styles & not allow both to be used simultaneously in any stage. It sucks how this limitation exists.
SEGA doesn’t need to hire these guys. Just be inspired by them
There's more ways to use the boost in this game. It helps grind sections, you can make longer jumps and whenever you need more speed that Adventure doenst provide, you can use it. The philosophy is more so the Boost is another mechanic in Sonic's moveset that the player can use in their own creative ways. Instead of how it's the crux of an official Boost game.
Both of those things could be accomplished with an air dash instead of air boost and by adding dash objects on rails, the games rail grinding is slow because it doesn’t have any momentum, the boost is very easy to replace in order to help tighten level design
@@ItsNickForShort True but the Air Dash tends to be shorter and I'd rather not have any dash panels because they tend to take control away from the player
@@gamingwithdream2005 on rails tho there’s not much there to control since it’s just a straight line most of the time, I understand the sentiment while running but on rails I don’t see the harm personally
@@ItsNickForShort Well it's less offense but still, I prefer having more movement. That's why I like SA2's grinding the most.
Conflicted, because I like the idea & look of a boost-adventure merger. The sense of speed with boost from having a method of fully controlling your velocity, as well as the aesthetic of the speed trail, and being able to bust through enemies & obstacles. It just doesn't have the same feel without it being a dedicated button.
But the potential for adventure formula is so much greater. You made a lot of good points that I hadn't considered before though...
Could there be other ways of merging the two? Limiting the amount of boost? Boosy-designed levels in a similar vein to how mach speed levels were implemented in 06?
The boost is literally just speed, I don’t see why we can’t just get rid of the boost but give Sonic more momentum so he can still get that level of speed in an adventure styled game, but you earn it and don’t press the boost button. Limiting the boost and dialing it back literally proves it’s uselessness, just crank up Sonics top speed and allow sonic to use momentum to go that fast. (Sorry if this sounds sassy btw I don’t mean to be these are just my views on it)
@@ItsNickForShort No it's fine haha. I agree with you and ultimately what you say is the best way to go moving forward.
But I will miss the feeling of altering speed with a specific button - just from the feeling and not so much gameplay I suppose.
@@ItsNickForShort thats literally the spin dash tho...
@@ItsNickForShort I think this video is all just opinion based
The critique is great, you nailed the aspects and problems I also faced. They should replace the boost button with the spin button.
My only issue is your message near the end. Their Patreon is only for donations, not to make money off of Sonic Omens. I don't see why donations is a bad thing considering that this game will remain free for a very long time (at least that should be the case). Again, the option to give them money is completely OPTIONAL. It was the same issue with Sonic Smackdown and I heavily disagree with the notion that donating money to indie studios because you enjoyed their free fan project is just as bad as paying a marked price for a fangame.
Great video overall. Keep it up my man!
Yeah I agree with you. and the previous demo that gets brought up was a beta. I saw somebody revamped Minecraft and it looks like a lot like Hytale and to access the server at this time is a monthly subscription, people who take time out of their day and create something worth talking about especially this should be allowed to receive donations. Look at UA-cam and Twitch you can donate to your favorite creator there’s parts of it that are the personality of the person and what they make
What they make involves property that’s not there’s and copyrighted but is fair use because they add their own ideas and creativity
With Sonic Omens you have voice actors and somebody to build the code and make the game along with the soundtrack it has some amazing ideas, but not fully realized
The patron is there if you just want to donate plain and simple UA-camrs have them too, the idea isn’t to make money by that; it’s just a kind jester because UA-cam might not be enough to pay the bills sometimes
idc if i'm late to comment but watch this vid and we have a proper discussion
ua-cam.com/video/ow4ZOpuielM/v-deo.html
Absolute worst fangame ever for being monetised
this is the one time i say sega should issue a DCMA on a fan game because what's going on with omens is nothing short of malicious. pathetic and unfair gameplay that almost seems intentional, making money off an IP they do not own, using patreon as a paywall, sega should NOT tolerate this.
@Wanna Be a Smurt Person Trying Sega is not Nintendo And will never be like nintendo
NO
Listen Sometimes You Have To Seperate The Art From The Artists The People Are Disgusting Yes,But The Game Is Better Than Anything Between Frontiers And Unleashed...
Among a genuinely shitty story that makes Forces look good, questionable VA choices, lore contradictions, this fangame has way worse issues to tackle than just scummy business issues
Big sonic fan and tbh he’s speaking sense , I would enjoy majority non boost levels and then maybe throw in a few levels that gives you the ability to boost but only for those levels that requires boost
Personally, I like the boost and adventure mix. Maybe make the time you have to boost less/ make it harder to get? Or have mach speed levels (waterfall chase for example) like in sonic 06 and remove boost from all other stages. I hope they dont remove it completely though.
I feel like the game does make it harder to get. Theres been more times ive ran out of boost in this game than actual offical ones. Because everything doesn't easily refil your gauge making you really have to work for it.
The platformer controls are fine just get your skill up sir the game gives you every chance to not fall on your first play. Boost is very limited and drains quick its the skill of keeping up. You can boost alot in the tree stage you can boost anywhere on any stage. Im just seeing player mistakes in this video lol.
I have to disagree about you're thoughts on the boost, seen people use it in the Tree section to get insane short cuts. Feels like one of those mechanics that if you know how to use it well you can do some crazy platforming while still keeping relative speed
Yes, this game made the boost's functionality more skill-based.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 more skill based? This game dream to have Unleashed skill boost.
@@broken75.20 I wish I could agree/argue with you on that, but I can't play Unleashed because it doesn't have a PC version.
Another problem to me is also kind of how... the robots in the stages don't serve a real purpose? From what i've seen they're just... there. you can easily run past them and most of the time they're no danger and just make me wonder why they were put in that spot
but maybe that's just me tbh, in the adventure games they at least were a genuine threat sometimes - now the main threat is... falling down
Tbh this is pretty much true for the official Boost games too, not just this fan game. With Adventure formula, it allows for enemies to have a purpose. They were also more creative back then with different types of enemies since the devs knew they wouldn't simply be boost-through fodder. Boost games that try to be difficult tend to derive all their difficulty from cheap bottomless pits and extreme trial and error.
@@josepha4161 Colors had enemies with attacks you needed to watch out for.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I technically only played Unleashed and Colors in terms of Boost games. It might not be as fair for me to judge Gens or Forces since I only have watched gameplay footage of those two. I really disliked Unleashed, but I quite enjoyed Colors. In spite of all the heat it gets from the fandom, I think it being the slower, more platform heavy and yes, more 2.5D heavy Boost title worked in its favor in regards to enemies. It probably has some enemies that got creative in different areas of the game instead of just nanosecond boost fodder, like you mentioned. I'm heavily biased in favor of Adventure style, so I'm not trying to stir anyone up here.
...And in fairness, I'll openly admit Adventure styled games and Classic styled games had their own problems with enemies time to time. Occasional poor enemy placement probably being the biggest problem both of those styles faced.
the same can be said to... only sonic forces.
Thats not even an adventure vs boost critique. Thats just bad enemy design. Cause even adventure & classic games had they're pointless enemy placement as just rolling fodder or homing attack fodder
Yeah I kinda get what you’re going at but honestly just having the option to boost or to not is pretty cool imo. The boost is really nerfed in this game anyways doesn’t go on forever like unleased or generations I found myself running out of it frequently. Tho I will say controlling sonic and shadow on the tubes or even around loops was really clunky for me. Most of the time I flew out and died. Great review hope they fix this game.
Excellent review here’s hoping they do address the critiques here because I also like this fangame but the issues needs some ironing out
Great video, your criticisms are very constructive and I can see they are made with the intention of improving what is already a pretty great and fun game. Honestly, I keep going back to it whenever I can, it has tremendous replayability despite its flaws.
I wont support this literally for the fact theyre profiting and have no intention to NOT profit.
Aside from that your content is excellent and you deserve way more attention.
I'm extremely glad they ARE profiting, I find it laughable you guys desire the game to be further worked on and improve while being against the idea of them making a profit. Ultimately they shouldn't do this for charity, they deserve to be rewarded with a living for developing the game. It's one thing if the game costed money, but I fail to see why they cannot use patreon. And if Sega doesn't like this then they simply need to produce something that I'll buy, not a challenging concept to understand.
@@YourMomsAltAccount first of all, your username alone makes me not want to take anything you just said seriously, but you do have some things i can address.
If they dont want to make a free game, they should make an original game.
Theyre a "studio" do you think of Bethesda made a Sonic game and didnt charge for it Sega would be cool with that?
If people want paid for their work then it should be THEIR work and not the property of someone else. Not even the assets in this game are original
@@Theadorable_ Just coming back here to give you an update. Segas fine with it. Seems like your overreacting. Your comment did not age well.
@@Theadorable_ The Patreon I understand but it’s not used directly for the game. If it was to buy the game then yes it would be wrong but no it isn’t the game is FREE
@@carzia_speed2235 yeah, after spending a few hours later on looking deeper into it, id have to retract this comment, and actually say thank you to replying to it and bringing it to my attention that i was very misinformed originally
After playing it for a while and listening to your point about the level design, I have noticed it does have a very Adventure style structure to it, almost as if the boost was really an afterthought when you really think about it; they clash too bad at times it hurts. Best example being White Jungle, you cannot really boost through the whole thing or you're gonna just fall off a lot, they didn't really take your speed into consideration. I also just hate any wall in that stage that forces you to crouch because it kills your WHOLE momentum, literally came to this video after struggling to correctly slide under those, it's like they had different people designing these since Chao Paradise does a good job of letting the player roam.
You can slide under them by double tapping the slide button, Sonic will do a spin kick instead and won't lose any momentum.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Holy shit I for some reason have never even kicked before thanks lol, I've been over here just trying to roll and slide but I'll try that
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I liked the idea of having adventure levels, and mach levels in 06, even if 06 didn't do it too well.
Some Mach speed sections in 06 looked outstanding tho(visually, gameplay wise not all that much but still fine) I absolutely loved that kingdom valley section.
Valid points, since it seems you like an open world/adventure gameplay style, it would be cool if you rewiewed Sonic GT
2:08 I mean you you use the boost in midair in order to get more distance from a jump
Air dash could easily accomplish that tho
Ok I’ve played this game and I will say it’s a mixed bag BUT Like how you played it without the boost OMFG I loved it XD
Maybe instead of having the boost maybe have a button that gives you a small burst of speed that isn’t consistent but it’s very small and it gives to a small lunge forward while keeping at normal running speed or just simply do the spin dash but seriously this game looks incredible
In regards to the songs, I noticed that at least one song is ripped from Sonic Forces.
Yeah, it's the only one that isn't original.
I agree with most of your points, but the part about the devs Patreon is not as bad as it seems
It's not like they are making you pay to play the game, in fact, the patreon is completely separate from the game, people can play the game without supporting them with patreon, people can support the patreon without playing the game (if they played a different game made by the same devs, maybe not even a sonic fangame), people use patreon to support the developers, not the game
Personally, I think the best way to handle Boost and Adventure style in the same game is to straight up separate the two. Either separate the level in two sections or maybe one level is Boost based and another levels Adventure based. I’ve seen this same idea incorporated into a Dreams Sonic fangame, and it works well in my eyes.
id love for there to be more bods fights like colours, and, philosophically (not in practice), like this game. it makes it more like a fight than a waiting game
I wish I could see project hero 2H with the first level
I love the boss fight design
I was going to say myself while it is a looker, the fact they are looking for money, and were actually lock demo behind paywalls is not cool. All it takes is one selfish group of assholes to ruin it for everyone as Sega begins to do as Nintendoes and slap C&Ds on fan games.
Also I agree with you on the voicing acting, as it seems abit stiff and clunky when compared to say the Adrenaline Dubs IDW comic dubs, or for just for Tails, Emi Jones in Sonic and Tails R (mostly as the rest of the cast are actual Sonic voice actors, like Ryan Drummond and Mike Pollock).
Should be noted the Demo isn't locked behind a paywall.
I've heard that was a patreon for the art or something.
IDK, check their Discord, they confirm it there.
Edit: Turns out I was wrong, and they were creating paywalls.
My bad, ignore my previous comments.
@@Ronan34753 I know the most recent demo is free, but I heard that previous demos - while under the Sonic 2020 brand - you had to pay to play for the demos.
@@DemonDethchase Yeah, I've just heard about previous demos being behind a paywall as well.
If that was true, like Nick says, this would be really bad for the fangame scene.
@@Ronan34753 I'm not long after seeing Splash Dash talking about Omens, and it turns out if you try to say to the devs about their patreon they block you right away... its not a good look. Plus Splash also brought up about how Sega have shut down fan games in the past, like that Streets of Rage remake, so its for the best not to take advantage of their good graces with Sonic.
@@DemonDethchase Yeah, I saw that video not long afterwards.
A shame really.
I guess we need to call them out for the rest of the fangame community.
Sorry about my previous false comment by the way.
I feel like the boost being here is a case that many games have fallen prey to. "The it's a good idea so not a bad system" mentality.
When the boost contradicts this game why does the level design matter, the platforming, or the puzzles or enemy placement and that list goes on.
This definitely has potential but as of now rough edge's
smart guy💯
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 aww thank you
I think the best way to make the boost useful is that. You have your normal spindash and you can use the spindash to gain speed and do tricks and over the course of the level a bar shows up and that's your boost makeing it a reward for playing well and encouraging the player to take more risks to gain more speed and boost
@ALLAN LOUIS JEUNE yeah basically that
Game devs: builds stages to try different moves for sonic
This guy: U s e l e s s
I liked the tree level, using your platforming and exploration to get up there felt pretty good
Personally I want Sonic to be physics based in this Game, going as fast as boost based off how much momentum you get and you can also smoothly transition into a Spin Dash while running to attack enemies.
They should’ve done what this other game did where you would spindash when going regular speed but when you reached maxed speed you would boost. Making it so you would have to earn the speed and boost as a reward.
I would love to make an adventure fan game but I just don’t have time, nor do I know where to start.
this felt way less hateful than some of the other youtubers have recently. at least you could see the good and bad of this game and see how it could improve in the future rather than going "meh this game is trash, the creators a this and that and it shouldve never happened. good job
id personally want them to bring back the op spindash from adventure 1 but i still like the boost
They should keep the boost
11:51 this is the most important thing stated in this entire video.
I do not see any problem in maintaining the boost in this game, as this opens up possibilities for the player to use what he most prefers and to improve in the gameplay he likes the most. for me the stages in which the boost is not used at any time is good because this brings a variety in gameplay. and if they want to fix it they can focus on stages where you have to order unique or unlockable items or you use the boost to finish the stage faster as if it were a speed run, sorry for bad english
note: I don't know if you've tried playing sonic unleashed day stages without using boost, I always have the feeling of playing adventure 2 (sonic and shadow stages to be more specific).
have yet to play it myself (my PC is probably too outdated haha) but I do agree that the level design and look of Sonic's control would defo fit adventure style Sonic more, so if they added a spin-dash like Adventure or even Lost World where you can chain it together it would suit it better. I love the story though, the opening where you start in Sonic's house with all the references to old Sonic games was beautiful, and the subtle reprise of Sonic's leitmotif from Sonic X was heaven to my ears! I just dunno if I can support the game tho coz of the devs and how scummy they are with the patreon. I just fear that if it continues that Sega may be forced to DMC the game and be less willing to let fan projects go on in the future which would be a tragedy.
Ok cool, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who really wasn't a fan of the plane controls. I'm stuck on the plane boss fight and honestly contemplating just quitting all together because if I gotta do that freaking tree level, I'm not gonna be a happy camper. Complaints aside, I had a blast in Chao Paradise. It was fast, fun, and really just a delight for a first stage.
thanks - this really had to be said
When playing the game I always wished the boost button worked exactly how it worked when I was out of boost energy. Dashing forward in the air is so satisfying and I wish more Sonic games did it like Adventure.
Haha you had me kinda triggered at first but you right! Id say its just a fan game but they are taking donations so it should be critiqued as such!
Maybe a fix concept to the boost mechanic could be turning the boost bar into bursts. Give Sonic/Shadow 3 bursts that could be gain by getting burst items or changing the way the boost is gained by making it harder to fill the bar or maybe remove it all together and put back Sonic's spin dash. I'm fine w the boss battles but the camera and camera control is super trash but they really tried to copy the style of older sonic games instead of studying it and improving on it.
Honestly, I'd like to see areas on a stage that you have to use boost but it as challenges, like obstacles that can hurt you, stop you or slow you down, out of those areas the boost should be something possible but rare to use, that if badly used you'll rarely get a chance to or be able to get to boost, making it a skillful mechanic (this would depend a lot in level design)
Another way to keep the boost, would be making it a power up for the player to use on certain moments, like Shadow did in 06 when removing his wrist rings, it would keep the boost, but give it an entirely different meaning and way to use it, as the player would also need to fill that power up fully before using it
I disagree on the boost implementation it’s there as an option you aren’t made by the game to play like a boost game. The infinity engine is essentially sonic rush gameplay style in 3D spin dash and other moves coexisting with the boost. The patreon is fine, since it serves as an optional croud funding for the game, not to mention you can download off of another website.
If the boost isn’t necessary I’d say all it does is hurt the level designs cause now they have to account for the boost in EVERYTHING. If they design it like an adventure level treating the boost as an option than they’ll ignore the fact you can just boost over it. They outa pick or or the other imo.
@@ItsNickForShort I disagree if the levels are designed probably then they prevent you from abusing the boost and just jumping over levels. But that’s your opinion and I respect that.
I never realized how useless the boost is however the boost being a gimmick with 06 mock speed could work you see the boost and adventure formular can work in the same game together but not in the same control also one thing you didn’t mention which is weird if your camera is not facing an enemie you won’t home on to it or you have to swing your camera to home
Kinda seems like the controls are good because of the people that worked on the engine and not this fan game. The first two levels look pretty good but the other levels look pretty frustrating imo. I'm probably not gonna play this one, especially with the controversy surrounding it.
I also played Sonic 2020 which is basically the same thing and the Tree level really annoyed me.
Edit: I have played it. It’s kinda both better and worse than I thought. The first 3 levels, not including the boss, are good. They feel well designed, have multiple paths, and feel designed with the engine in mind. The rest of it is really bad. The game just gets frustrating way too fast.
I honestly quite liked the first 3 levels of the game, but I feel kinda guilty saying that when what the game is doing is illegal. I hope the game improves, but I also hope that Patreon gets shut down. I don’t want to support this game, but I hope the situation doesn’t get worse.
2 Questions:
Do you think the boost could work in the adventure levels if it was relegated to a power up? Like if you could only use it if you had a fire shield?
Would adding more rings help the confusing progression?
I think if the boost needs to be nerfed then that proves how unneeded it is
sonic and shadow's bosses are fine in my opinion. tweaking them to make it easier would make it more boring. i like a challenge
If you don't like the boost formula try playing Sonic GT where your speed is determined by the landscape and your own momentum 😄
Game is fire 🔥
I haven't played either but I've seen both games featured on AfroSenju XL's channel. He was REALLY hyping up Omens because of the cutscenes, but GT looked like the better game in terms of actual gameplay.
@@josepha4161 I played gt and honestly it was just okay to me it really wasn't all the special to me at the end of the day I liked it and wanted a little more but it really wasn't that mind blowing to me
Songs are original, Shadow is, i believe, trying to be better on his accent, and yeah, everything will be chqnging, the game is far from finished.
About the boost... well its the infinity engine and i don't think they will throw it away. I honestly really like playing it both with and without boost
Maybe boost should be like sonic colors where it’s harder to get boost so you don’t spam it?
Shadow is my Fav in the whole series, so it hurts my ears and soul to hear shadow have a French accent. I'm gonna be honest though, The essence of Shadow's style of voice was there but it was... Over Shadow'ed by his accent and it always threw me off.
I don't find many uses for the chaos spear givin how slow the charge up is for just tapping the button, I don't have many uses for a lot of the chaos abilities that shadow has, I hope they make more use of this awesome chaos mechanic.
Obviously they don't have to but......... I would like to fulfil my Shadow Dream and pull his Motorcycle out of his Prison Wallet to Ride around in specific stages like that Water Beach stage, Chao something, I forgot what it's called. Like we could ride his Cycle across the water with enough speed, Would be awesome.
Tails, they had me going with that tails voice in the first 10-15 sec that he started talking in, but then the Tails voice dropped and Tails turned into a girl.
I pretty sure this Tails IS voiced by a girl unless its a guy voicing him who can sound like a girl.
Sonic was Sonic, don't know what else to say, I liked it.
Rouge was off af.
White Jungle and GUN Training Stage WERE SOO GOT DAMN ANNOYING AND CONFUSING AF.
The Tails Jet mission was Cool af because I have never seen that in any Official Sonic Title, Janky at times and that camera was disorienting and the hover mode was slow af at times. but my biggest complaint would be no was to just go Straight UP or DOWN without LOOKING UP or DOWN. Other than that, Tails Mission was pretty Badass for that being the first attempt (as far as I know).
BOSS FIGHTS. That first one... It's not the worst for fan made but, you gotta get closer for him to do something different which is something they need to fix.
Give him more things to do from far away to make him more of a threat and when we latch onto his green belly button make us jump away further so he's not slapping us with that Italian robo sausage
If they make him more interesting to fight against then I don't mind the longer health bars.
the second boss fight... aka Great Value Darksiders 2 Undead City well of souls Boss. they need to fix that camera focus that crap pissed me off. when you hit him in the head you are RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS HEAD TO GET HIT, I hate that for this boss. this boss also isn't that interesting.
and as for boost I agree and disagree at the same time. Boost should not be used to bypass an entire level. The boost can work but It shouldn't be the focus of gameplay, if we hold down the boost let it run for like max 2-3 sec maybe.
But it's nice to have at specific parts that become annoying to get past without it... thus to the next topic
and of course one of the downfalls of the platforming parts, if you don't jump BEFORE you reach the edge of the platform you are jumping from, you WILL NOT GET A DOUBLE JUMP.
Shadow has a Russian accent hah. Actually all the actors are from Russia.
By the way, I was surprised how much their voices differ in English and in Russian (I follow "Eggman" UA-cam channel).
They also had a stream recently, check it, in 1:00:50 they start to speak English
ua-cam.com/video/8I1ELLTIMqM/v-deo.html
@@misha_in_hat Whomever voiced Sonic in Omens is really good at hiding his accent, same with the person who voiced Tails.
The point of the accent thing with shadow is that it's Vary Noticeable, It easily takes us out of our immersion.
They may all be from Russia, i dont care.
but you know what they say, practice makes perfect, so the Shadow VA has got to brush up on not having that accent when voicing Shadow.
I don't know what's the issue. Combining boosting section and adventure style section is a great idea. I think you're never happy whatever happens in general about sonic
You can say that again.
Let players decide to use boost or not, or make it as a technique power for sonic to equip it or something rather in that regard.
Honestly, I feel like the boost/adventure combo is so much better than 2-D sections/adventure style combo (and less jarring to the speed of the game) so I’m much more okay with it and it feels much more true to a modern Sonic progression.
I like to think that the boost to modern Sonic is like what spin-dash is to classic sonic, it’s a ability he can do that makes the game more fun if the level design supports it. Classic Sonic doesn’t always NEED the spin dash if you are skilled, but fast paced fun is much more fun with it included you know?
In my own opinion, I think the boost is just too broken. I think the boost needs to be somewhat slower than what it is on infinity engine. Modern Sonic games usually design their levels similar like a racing game, I just think the level design on those sections need to feel a bit more “boost” and make it more of a challenge.
When the boost is *too* fast, it’s hard to make obstacles around it in a fleshed out 3-D environment to help you master the boost. I think having fun “Mach speed” elements in the levels is fine, but “boost to win” is what’s bad.
What if the boost was just a 2 - 3 charge pulse dash for a limited jumpstart only, instead of a sustainable speed button you can hold down.
... like Unleashed for the Wii and Ps2?
I would like that to happen, Unleashed for the PS2 was the 1st modern Sonic game I played. My 1st Sonic game, apart from the classics
I recommend this game should get a delay to fix its flaws and become the masterpiece it should be. Sonics voice is good, no need to change it, but Shadow and Tails needs new voice actors. The controls should be tweaked and the bosses should be changed a bit to become fun. I want Omens to be good, I want it to succeed.