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Thank you! You're my favorite Psychologist and Robert Greene is my favorite Author. Certainly, both titles do not fully represent the awesomeness you both possess.
That's what I've been saying! People some how look at it as an instrument of manipulation. Either that, or it's the manipulators who tries to push people away from this book which is terrifying.
I read *the laws of human nature* from a young age of 15, and it gave me nothing but an understanding of myself and people around me, and suddenly life just stopped hurting and before I knew it, I wasn't thinking like a selfless insecure prick because of this book. At one point reading the book, it made me cry because of how much faith and warmth Mr Greene writes to the audience, he felt like a father figure I never had.
Do you want to be loved? - Read: The Art of Seduction. Do you want to be respected? - Read: The 48 Laws of Power. Do you want to understand people? - Read: The Laws of Human Nature. ▪︎THE AUTHOR IS A LEGEND.
The author is a plagiarist. He said there was no honesty about the dynamics of power? You mean like the book the Ralph GH Siu wrote called The Craft of Power?
Two Living Legends in one show, I don't know what can i ask more. You guys have helped shaped me and continually shaping the world for the better. Thank you Robert and Jordan.
As a salesman and bussines man this books thought me the most. The 48 laws of power are nothing but the full truth of human nature! I used this laws for my professional life and i can only confirm that these laws if used correctly they can make any goal come true!
@@teslacarfan i also sold cars. But now im developing a AI for our financial application. On top of that still selling HVAC + solar panels its easy money
After reading POWER, I was taken aback by the way it could be misinterpreted. I too also, looked at it from Neitches "Will to Power." Thank you for clearing that up. Anyone who tried to deny the fact that POWER PLAY does not take place in the workplace, has never worked anywhere long enough. Yes, rule number 1 is very important because you do not want to become a threat to the masters livelihood. Great discussion!!!!
If you’ve come across or been in a relationship with someone manipulative you understand the purpose of this book from the moment you’ve began reading it. I’m surprised Jordan didn’t see through its guidance and spotlight on historical examples
Jordan Peterson is just a hippie living in his own bubble. I don't know Robert Greene job experience, but from what I've seen so far, both from what he is telling and what I've experienced, the world we are living it's not just rainbows and sunshine. Some people are unrepairable but people like Jordan Peterson and other cheap self-help gurus will tell you that you can change them. DON'T WASTE YOUR LIFE ON THEM. Besides that, even him and his daughter has some mental limitations which can be easy seen but they will blatantly ignore them while focusing on others. Besides this, even in 1st world countries people don't see how tricked and subliminally lied they are and blame 3rd world countries for all the evil in the world while they are not so much better.
I was kinda disappointed he didn’t see it from the start I first read the book at 15-16 years old and actually understood the book clearly and it’s purpose
@K B I have read the book multiple times, and I don't remember ever coming across the intention to make people more aware of the manipulative tactics. I had to arrive at that conclusion myself. That is why I don't recommend the book to people with shaky morales; the book is not clear about the intentions illustrated by the author in this interview.
It's refreshing to hear the author's sincere account of why he wrote this book. It's refreshing because power dynamics underpin our existence in a world of people. They colour our everyday lives which creates our destiny. Yet its all vague and surreptitious, no one clearly understands the what or why's so instinct takes over. And it becomes survival of the craftiest. Such a book brings this shadow out so we can really look at it. Whether with a view to manipulate others or simply avoid being manipulated. I have this book and had never seen the author, it is quite good but the font and style is visually difficult for those with long sightedness.
Why do you assume he is being sincere. If he follows the laws himself, then he wouldn't be compelled to be sincere. Just control the perspective to one that puts him in a favorable light
All of our makeup (sometimes called simply the human condition) more specifically those psychological traits characteristic of humans, that make use unique/special and differentiate us from others; whom we may overlap with in other ways, categorically. Characteristics that allow us to reason with our inner self and the world around us and ultimately choose a more self centered approach to life or a more outward, socially compassionate way. And its understanding the importance of BOTH and desiring a feasibly health balance between the two, while staying in allignment w ones true essence (drum roll..) 👉 Are what i believe it means to be human. - ✌️❤️🤙
The shift from viewing the laws as "advice on how to act" over to "the mechanisms by which power is attained" happened very early on in the book for me because I had that reaction where I felt as though a given law was not worth employing in my everyday life. That shift entirely removed the sour taste that I think a lot of people got from the book. As I read, each law was a behavior that begat a certain result, like a tool. There are behaviors I would personally consider and some I wouldn't, but I wanted to know of the behaviors that worked, even if I felt the cons outweighed the pros under normal circumstances. Everyone knows you can purchase or steal a car, and both methods have a unique set of consequences. Knowing that stealing a car works and also brings about x, y, and z isn't irrelevant to someone who thinks it's usually a bad idea. Being entirely ignorant of car theft just makes you an easy victim and unable to recognize the opportunity to steal a car were some emergency situation to suddenly turn car theft into a good decision.
It's similar to "The Art of War", you can become aware of certain mechanisms and strategies without the desire to use them yourself. I would, for example, like to know how sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists operate, how you can recognize them etc. You can also us it to realize when your own behaviour or your own thoughts are going too far.
Yep. To me, it didn't seem you were intended to view the methods exclusively from the side of the executor. We're all plenty ignorant to fall victim to these things with some regularity. Awareness of how we are taken advantage of is sometimes more useful than the skill to take advantage. To read the whole book exclusively as the "perpetrator" is essentially arrogance. You're presuming the people around you are harmless play things that you could take advantage of, reading someone describe a cruel means of doing so, and then having the temerity to accuse the author of being morally objectionable.
@@Eddyspekboter read Gavin DeBecker ("The Gift of Fear," "Protecting The Gift," "2 Seconds," and the book written by the FBI agent who helped create criminal profiling- which I have yet to read myself but have been told is excellent. )
2 men who have given me the power to change my life, thanks to both of you. The book serves as a way to distinguish when someone is trying to manipulate you.
I'm 20 years old. This book opened up a new perspective for me on how to view the world and people, this book gave me a connection to people I never had before, this book freed me, made me more powerful, and more confident in a good way. This book literally fulfils my heart. I would HIGHLY recommend.
True, as a young person I find it so hard to relate with people especially in the work place and in friendships, people feel threatened and often you have to tone down to please people. It almost sounds like people are ok with you as long as you do not outshine them. social spaces are so hard to navigate, you constantly need to change to fit in. people are struggling with themselves their transfer their all their insecurities to others this is very apparent in spaces where people are competing places like workplace and even in friendships.
This reminds me of a great book from decades ago: Winning Through Intimidation by Robert J. Ringer. The title is provocative, but it’s really about understanding intimidation so that you can recognize when others are playing you. That book was a real eye-opener for me that gave me a great bullshitometer.
Dr. Peterson is wonderful listening to; for me, - Jordan is truly just like stepping out into the sunshine on the clearest of days and taking a deep breath and feeling clean fresh air in my lungs after prolonged confinement in a cold dark dungeon.
Thank you for this! Like Greene, I've viewed his "laws" as necessary evils, in that these power plays DO exist, despite anyone's wish they wouldn't. Akin to saying they "come with the territory." In my mind, part of his book applies well to someone wanting to expand the positive aspects of building professional etiquette. (There is information that is neutral and describes some healthy behavior, not the least of which is confidence.) Any moral being will feel as if even the table of contents reads like a play book inspired by the Devil himself. I continued through the book for two reasons: to understand both the power plays and the motivations behind them. I've been the victim of Outshining The Master, the unicorn hunt, and many others, just within the past few years. I realized so many more once I finished the book- that spanned decades of real work experience. Curiously, the vast majority of actors did not have a plan, and knew not that their deeds and actions were neither unique nor new. Green did a good job of exposing root motivations and basic human behavior, though I can't say whether or not this was his prime focus. It surely worked out to that end, in my opinion. Thanks to Jordan for reaching out to Green and for this interview!
Thank You Sir Jordan Peterson. To me You are the Godf ather of Canada. Thank you fpor saving all of us. and thank You to one of my favorite author of all time. Merci infiniement a vous monsieur Robert Greene.
I read this book more than 20 years ago while employed in an organization which, I am convinced, used Golding’s “Lord of the Flies” as an HR manual. Although the book seemed utterly Machiavellian, it was also a helpful guide to understanding what was going on around me. Ultimately the king in this court proved to be mentally unstable and I was one of the casualties. Fortunately, I landed on my feet in the long run.
"an organization which, I am convinced, used Golding's "Lord of the Flies" as an HR manual." THAT IS HILARIOUS! 😂😂🤦🏽♂️👌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🖋🌟 I want to remember that as a quote 😛
Love your 'Lord of the Flies' analogy😂👌 I've experienced that baptism by fire when I was waaay to young to grasp what exactly was happening and how it would affect me. Thankfully I didn't join 'the feast of flesh' but that experience stands out as one of my toughest life lessons. Now you've just engraved that disturbing imagery in my brain🙆♀️🫠✌️Thanks😂
Such a fine damn line brother!!! I read these books in prison even though they are not allowed at 52 yrs old. Well-read in Philosophy, these books shook me a little like Makaveli and Sun Tzu did at 18! I agree about society and their ills. Once I make the conscience choice to start Implementing this type of behavior that I dislike in other people, I will only spiral downwards with them. Association breeds simulation, as a Virgo I have to be careful not to be consumed by ideologies like this. I have a difficult enough time with the moral compass I have now. Nice verbal 2 step brother but thank you for being on You tube when I was released (for growing weed indoors) from prison. You helped me adjust mentally when I came home to this crazy world a year ago
His book is so misrepresented that I almost didn't read it thinking it was for assholes. I had to stumble on an interview with the author to get an idea of what the book truly is. I like how much of the book is actually about balance rather than conning someone out of their power. Most of what I have read so far seems to be about giving other people what they want so that you can get what you want almost quid pro quo. Much of the rest is either about benefitting yourself at no ones expense and not hurting yourself for the benefit of nobody.
I empathize to a great degree with Robert when he says these dynamics are ubiquitous but generally not discussed in contexts where they are really the elephant in the room. At the same time, it’s part of the seeking of power to not discuss them openly, which is only further credit to Robert for writing his books and articulating so well something which we all are subconsciously aware of. I enjoyed his books a lot and find them extremely valuable as history lessons as well.
As it relates to one's career, and having worked in some very political environments I learned a few things id like to share. 1) when you are naive and don't know any different you think you have to play politics and that's just how it is 2) large corporations are inherently political (despite their attempts at promoting or developing a "culture" thst is based on meritocracy) 3) you need to recognise if that is for you or not. Simple decision, if not then don't play that game 4) focus on building competence at something. own your own develoment and with relatively high competence you will have control over your direction 4) you can leave those toxic environments and find a place to work where those skills are recognised, and you don't need to kiss anyone's arse to get ahead. 5) doing that is likely to leave you so much more satisfied than if you play politics and artificially work your way up the ladder in a place you don't really like, playing games that stress you out. 6) never wait till you are unhappy to make a change in your job. Look for your next challenge when you are feeling your best
I love JPs advice on how to listen properly, you have to recite the others point in your own words so that the other agrees with it, and you can see how perfectly he did it in this interview.
If you are reading this, know that you are worthy of anything you desire. Most times it amazes me greatly how I moved from an average lifestyle to earning over $63k per month, Utter shock is the word. I have understood a lot in the past few years that there are lots of opportunities in the financial market. The only thing is to know where to invest.......
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Wow I can't believe you guys are discussing about Gary Mason Brooks , I once met him at a conference in California 2019, just before the pandemic. I can testify that he’s very good in trading..Highly recommended.
@@susanhaynes679 This is the Fourth time I'm seeing someone talking about Mr Gary as there are lot of testimonies about him, do you know him ? if yes , did you invest with him ?
The book should be used as a guide/tools to help you in environments or situations where one must pursue power to succeed. A lot of people commenting are assuming he means to employ these tactics all the time, to everyone in every area of your life. This is not true. If you are building a career in a competitive environment then this is the perfect book.
Thank you, Dr. Jordan Peterson. I have watched almost all of your lecture series, and just started with your book 12 Rules for Life. You have improved my life with your work and I thank you. Love and gratitude from South Africa
The 48 Laws Of Power is known to circulate in correctional institutions and not for the betterment of the inmates. I have observed with my own eyes this book being shared among juvenile felons (early- to mid-twenties) as the bible on how to manipulate people. Even worse is Greene's The Art of Seduction with chapters like 1. Choose the Right Victim and 15. Isolate the Victim. I observed that book being circulated among sex offenders. I would counter the 48 Laws Of Power with How to Win Friends and Influence People as an alternative to becoming a person genuinely interested in and caring about others versus being manipulative to obtain power and the object of their desire which was the goal.
This brilliant book is, in a real sense, a book for the ages because it shows, even proves, that human nature is unchanging. And that the court of the world is indeed a dark, turbulent place. "Its up to you,' says Greene, ' to make the separation between yourself (as a leader) and others permanent.' Good. The book could be called elitist. Even better. Clever guy.
Just unbelievable. less than an hour ago I was introduced to Robert Green for the first time on the impact theory, and was watching his interview. Then I get a notification about this one.
4:35 - 4:52 More relatable words shared amongst those who have worked in many fields are rarely spoken. On the surface level everything looks like flowers, it's easy to forget there are usually snakes beneath them until you really experience that firsthand over and over again.
@@jimsippi1419 Imagine going into a job thinking everything looks great, people seem nice, all smiles, only for a few weeks in for people to start conniving against you behind your back and trying to set you up to get written up/fired from said job, to the point in which they are able to puppeteer your managers and supervisors into making your life there that much more unbearable, even though you'd just rather stay invisible, do your time and go home. Enough repetition of this causes one to get jaded and see the things that he saw, that human beings in the workplace are usually quite manipulative and toxic. I've worked a lot of jobs and this doesn't change anywhere you go, even when I was at places in which I thought everyone was congenial and great, as soon as I left or the company went south, they all pretend they never knew you, you start to realize a lot of folk are only nice to you because you might be their boss one day, etc. A lot of stuff that just makes you find yourself not exactly in love with the fact that you're the same species as these folk.
For me, Greene has been useful in the task of inoculating myself against the darker natures of man. My youthful naivety cost me dearly on many occasions and Greene has helped.
I don't feel law 21 is manipulative at all because there are many tricksters out there and you wanna be able to spot if someone's motives are pure or are they trying to trick you. This is my personal go to law as a way to protect myself and not to victimize anyone its more of meeting someone new, especially in buisness. 👍🏼
*God bless y’all,* I’ll be 58 in few days, I stumbled here on this approach on the best ideas, ways or means to invest my (250k) good enough to retire, hoping on the best aids here; Positivity always Wins. Any idea...
Perception is reality; Our perceptions on your approach influence how we interpret, understand, and act on the truth. it’s very important in understanding human behavior because every person perceive the world and approaches life problems differently.
@Louise Raphaël Your thoughts and ideas on this approach are very remarkable and would as well appreciate it if you enlighten more about the wealth manager you talked about. I want to engage on this scheme.
Hi, curious, are you saying 250k is enough for you to retire? I’m 42 and need to start doing some serious retirement planning, but I believe I need 2M. How can you retire on 250K?
I'm glad this is clarified. I was shocked too when reading tge book but I carried on and soon started thinking tgat this book is not just teaching what to do but is exposing tgat shadow that we use in our lifes.
I respect both of these gentlemen and as a professional in a similar field I incorporate many of those concepts.i have both of their books and often recommended them to clients as part of their therapy 😀
@@hyperspacejester7377 yes because planetary relationships are important. Moon is mind and it can be troubled. Saturn and mercury that are placed with certain alignments effect each one of us differently. I'm Also a life coach and educator. Carl Jung was also aware of how astrology was very significant. I hope this helps. Ask yourself why you felt necessary to address me at all?
Im genuinely happy that the author is still alive to be asked about, according to some "the most dangerous book". What a time we live in. I actually feel kinda lucky.
Just bought 12 steps. I am ecstatic that you can articulate thoughts the way you do, and shocked that I have come to the same conclusions without formal education. Looking forward to more!
Thank you Dr. Peterson for changing my life. You really have made me want to be a better and stronger person. I’m extremely grateful for all the sacrifices you’ve made to share you work with the world.
It's a very important & highly relevant work of art - hands down👍. We should accept Power as a matter of fact instead of demoralizing it. It's all about how to deal with the inevitable 'game' of power. How to make the most out of the hand of cards you're being dealt with. Good luck everyone😊.
Is it as historical as the one about power? I was disappointed about too many historical stories as I believe people may have changed and some stories from the past may no longer be valid.
Thank you for all your work Dr Jordan B. Peterson. I’m grateful for all the ideas and motivation you brought in my life. Se you in Budapest in June. Hope we can shake hands a take a picture. May everyone who is watching this video succeed in their goals which will definitely improve their and their love ones lives. Healthy and productive days and years, mr Peterson!
Great book and life changing I started it when I was in prison but had it ripped for my hand as contraband in the middle of it I finished it when I got out and I've read it several times since everyone should read this book
I love that book very nicely written specially the historical references were great read it a couple of times and would read it again it helped me a lot! 👍
Wonderful and really really super amazing. I don't know how to thank you and how to describe this. Thank you very much, I've enjoyed this great podcast very much.
Watched enough of the video to get the suspicion that many of this man's learnings were developed as a young person struggling to survive in a world where he was not doing what he wanted to do. There is a lot of ego in the statement about outshining the master. In every job I worked, there was always that guy who could do the job better than the boss. Of course, he was never the boss. He was just better than the boss.
I have been reading his book '32 strategies to war'. I have no idea how I ended up with it, but I've had it for over 10 years and never read it. I just started a week ago and I like it a lot. The book strongly aligns with a lot of my own philosophies. I will be reading '48 laws of power' next.
I read that book from beginning to end about 4 times in 2 weeks when my dad had cancer. The 'lateral' lessons learned from that book are simply immense.
Dr Peterson is clearly a special breed. I have felt for a long time that Dr Peterson is exactly the man humanity needs in precisely the correct timing and I have long been grateful for his bravery in taking a stand - even though I realize this has made him a target of some very powerful and perhaps dark/manipulative forces. My experience in the world, corporate and otherwise tells me that the manipulation in the laws of power are inherent. They simply exist. It’s how modern man navigates the ladder of corporate America as well as it is clearly expressed - to me anyway - in all types of power hierarchies at least the ones I have first hand knowledge of. The fact that Dr Peterson perhaps isn’t aware of this so intimately only reaffirms my somewhat grandiose opinion of him as a divinely inspired actor on the world scene. It’s almost endearing that he is obviously so morally upright that he is shocked by the candid admission of the laws that I see exist objectively all around me. The author here had to spine to name what many others are aware of and employ, but rarely speak of. Im actually appreciative that someone had the spine to publish this. It’s apparent. Im also appreciative that Dr Peterson had no idea about it.
Robert is spot on about the depth of how Nietzsche and Machiavelli thought. They didn't promote perceived negative traits attached to them about power which I find many people. I think people who deny that the female species also have their own passive style of the will to power are just a bit naive.
@@markdin2988 I think what he is saying is women also strive for power but in their own way. Which I agree with, what I learned recently was that since women r physically inferior to men, they biologically adapted to show violence in a different way. Women r socially more superior to men. They can manipulate or gas light u easier and it just comes natural for them. Stuff like this needs to be talked about more especially in America with all the single mothers, and buzz words society has created
I wish they talked more about the vast disparity in their worldviews. Jordan’s conception of reality is very optimistic, believing that the articulation of truth necessarily brings to world into harmonious order, while conscious dissimulation corrupts both society and the soul. Robert, on the other hand, believes the very opposite. In fact, if you read the preface of 48 Laws Of Power, Robert says explicitly that those, like Jordan, who claim to be revolted by Machiavellian power-games are the most manipulative of all. Robert also says that honesty isn’t a virtue in and of itself, but should be used sparingly as a means to the ultimate end: power. I really wish they could have hashed this out, as I’m currently feeling melancholic over the possibility that Robert might be right, and Jordan’s advice has been nothing more than feel-good nonsense…
It sounds like they are saying the same thing. People who are unaware of how they are ruled by their egos or how egos rule other people tend to lead to a disastrous life. I guess I’m not much of a Jordan Peterson fan because he uses too many technical terms that aren’t really necessarily.
I think Jordan Petersen is very bright..but at times I think he tends to be condescending(ie; he once said "First off, most of you won't have careers, most of you will have jobs". That's not very encouraging and comes across like "Well, I(Dr. Peterson) have a career, but you will always be a p-e on/working for the man"
U said it perfectly. Perterson will give u a good understanding of life in a positive sense but not in a way that will be beneficial. I would just recommend religion to anyone who feels lost. I myself am Muslim but love to learn about human nature and referring back to the Quran to see if something similar is stated in it.
I don't think Green endorses being dishonest in an overarching sense..if you look at his interviews he says "I think we learn to become human". I think both men agree that optimism is a good thing and both men believe in challenging self limiting beliefs.
Now that I think about it, it's very surprising Jordan has never mentioned the 48 laws of power before, it feels RIGHT up his alley. Not in terms of adopting it, but I think it'll be interesting for him to dissect it. Tho it seems he is in the early shock/discovery/confusion mode at the moment.
@@JohnDoe-iu5xi Ohh, very interesting. That sounds like a diff. side of Jordan. I'm surprised he would think that based on the context I have currently, tho if I reach I can see where 'weakling' could come from in the context of Greene's content and him adopting it himself. Edit: This vid. mentioned a bunch of that as well of course lol
My only issue with the book, is it offers very little in the way of advice on what to do when you know the tactics in it are actively being used against you, only how to use and adapt them as your own. Upon reading the book I realized some of the laws were being used against me by others, by the end of it I felt I did not know how to counter this fact, I was still left better equipped than I was before reading it however. Good book none the less.
@@bigimportantman1544 The main law I feel used against me often in life is Commit to No One. Usually in relationships, I feel like I'm often a orbiter waiting for the person I'm interested in to finally get in a place mentally where they're ready to be in a relationship or commit, but it never happens and I eventually just move on while they continue to pile up many more suitors who are just as blind as I was to the fact that they aren't going to commit. I would love to learn how to break that law out of my life and find someone I truly click with that doesn't have this fault/ability, depending on how you see it.
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Thank you! You're my favorite Psychologist and Robert Greene is my favorite Author. Certainly, both titles do not fully represent the awesomeness you both possess.
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Thank you for making this.
This book should be looked as providing the tools and awareness to not be manipulated by others.
It’s a counterintelligence for sure 😂
That's what I've been saying! People some how look at it as an instrument of manipulation.
Either that, or it's the manipulators who tries to push people away from this book which is terrifying.
Life is about perception.
exactly
@@mrThorleifsen Exactly.But people who see it this way are probably manipulative hypocrites themselves .
In this cruel world this book is a eye opener for people with innocent characters.
I was that boy 😢
I read *the laws of human nature* from a young age of 15, and it gave me nothing but an understanding of myself and people around me, and suddenly life just stopped hurting and before I knew it, I wasn't thinking like a selfless insecure prick because of this book. At one point reading the book, it made me cry because of how much faith and warmth Mr Greene writes to the audience, he felt like a father figure I never had.
lmao
What's with the profile pic
thats fantastic, im reading that book now.
at that age i was still going through the Bible
Same here
Im currently reading mastery and happened the same to me, beautiful.
Do you want to be loved?
- Read: The Art of Seduction.
Do you want to be respected?
- Read: The 48 Laws of Power.
Do you want to understand people?
- Read: The Laws of Human Nature.
▪︎THE AUTHOR IS A LEGEND.
Don't forget Mastery to understand how to master your field.
Yeah right until you get punched in a face in real life lmao.
Do you want to win in war
Read: 33 Laws of War
The author is a plagiarist.
He said there was no honesty about the dynamics of power? You mean like the book the Ralph GH Siu wrote called The Craft of Power?
Do you want to be happy?
Read The Quran
Two Living Legends in one show, I don't know what can i ask more. You guys have helped shaped me and continually shaping the world for the better. Thank you Robert and Jordan.
As a salesman and bussines man this books thought me the most. The 48 laws of power are nothing but the full truth of human nature! I used this laws for my professional life and i can only confirm that these laws if used correctly they can make any goal come true!
Used car salesman?
@@teslacarfan i also sold cars. But now im developing a AI for our financial application. On top of that still selling HVAC + solar panels its easy money
@buxey I would 100% recommend it!!
bussines man lol
@K B Have you identified sales may not be your niche?
After reading POWER, I was taken aback by the way it could be misinterpreted. I too also, looked at it from Neitches "Will to Power." Thank you for clearing that up. Anyone who tried to deny the fact that POWER PLAY does not take place in the workplace, has never worked anywhere long enough. Yes, rule number 1 is very important because you do not want to become a threat to the masters livelihood. Great discussion!!!!
Nietzsche* common man it's not that difficult 😂
@@rokanza2293 *come on
@@duncecan3047 auto-correct, it's funny though I'll admit that
@@rokanza2293 don’t but it
@@duncecan3047 ? Lol
IT FINALLY HAPPENED.
I have wanted these two to meet for a LONG TIME!
If you’ve come across or been in a relationship with someone manipulative you understand the purpose of this book from the moment you’ve began reading it.
I’m surprised Jordan didn’t see through its guidance and spotlight on historical examples
Jordan Peterson is just a hippie living in his own bubble. I don't know Robert Greene job experience, but from what I've seen so far, both from what he is telling and what I've experienced, the world we are living it's not just rainbows and sunshine. Some people are unrepairable but people like Jordan Peterson and other cheap self-help gurus will tell you that you can change them. DON'T WASTE YOUR LIFE ON THEM. Besides that, even him and his daughter has some mental limitations which can be easy seen but they will blatantly ignore them while focusing on others. Besides this, even in 1st world countries people don't see how tricked and subliminally lied they are and blame 3rd world countries for all the evil in the world while they are not so much better.
I was kinda disappointed he didn’t see it from the start I first read the book at 15-16 years old and actually understood the book clearly and it’s purpose
@K B there's a problem
@K B I have read the book multiple times, and I don't remember ever coming across the intention to make people more aware of the manipulative tactics. I had to arrive at that conclusion myself. That is why I don't recommend the book to people with shaky morales; the book is not clear about the intentions illustrated by the author in this interview.
He is conducting an interview guys. He knows very plainly what it is for. You think yourself far too high to judge him for this.
JBP has incredible listening skills. He was able to summarise what RG said about himself and he himself acknowledged to be well put.
I was thinking about that when he did it lol
These two men together having a conversation is super fulfilling. 2 of my favorite ppl ever
It's refreshing to hear the author's sincere account of why he wrote this book. It's refreshing because power dynamics underpin our existence in a world of people. They colour our everyday lives which creates our destiny. Yet its all vague and surreptitious, no one clearly understands the what or why's so instinct takes over. And it becomes survival of the craftiest.
Such a book brings this shadow out so we can really look at it. Whether with a view to manipulate others or simply avoid being manipulated.
I have this book and had never seen the author, it is quite good but the font and style is visually difficult for those with long sightedness.
get kindle or ereader bro
Hey . . . anyone here knows what kind of power he, the author, has attained so far; and how much has he attained?
Why do you assume he is being sincere. If he follows the laws himself, then he wouldn't be compelled to be sincere. Just control the perspective to one that puts him in a favorable light
@@04dram04 I'm not controlling any perspective. Merely stating my own. His account is believable and therefore sounds sincere.
Dr. Peterson this was long due ! Two of the greatest modern day thinktanks! Its not just about hardwork..
As a student of clinical psychology, your videos have always inspired me to understand what it actually means to be human.
All of our makeup (sometimes called simply the human condition) more specifically those psychological traits characteristic of humans, that make use unique/special and differentiate us from others; whom we may overlap with in other ways, categorically. Characteristics that allow us to reason with our inner self and the world around us and ultimately choose a more self centered approach to life or a more outward, socially compassionate way. And its understanding the importance of BOTH and desiring a feasibly health balance between the two, while staying in allignment w ones true essence (drum roll..)
👉 Are what i believe it means to be human.
- ✌️❤️🤙
That's a good idea! 👍
The shift from viewing the laws as "advice on how to act" over to "the mechanisms by which power is attained" happened very early on in the book for me because I had that reaction where I felt as though a given law was not worth employing in my everyday life. That shift entirely removed the sour taste that I think a lot of people got from the book. As I read, each law was a behavior that begat a certain result, like a tool. There are behaviors I would personally consider and some I wouldn't, but I wanted to know of the behaviors that worked, even if I felt the cons outweighed the pros under normal circumstances.
Everyone knows you can purchase or steal a car, and both methods have a unique set of consequences. Knowing that stealing a car works and also brings about x, y, and z isn't irrelevant to someone who thinks it's usually a bad idea. Being entirely ignorant of car theft just makes you an easy victim and unable to recognize the opportunity to steal a car were some emergency situation to suddenly turn car theft into a good decision.
Yes
It's similar to "The Art of War", you can become aware of certain mechanisms and strategies without the desire to use them yourself. I would, for example, like to know how sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists operate, how you can recognize them etc. You can also us it to realize when your own behaviour or your own thoughts are going too far.
Yep. To me, it didn't seem you were intended to view the methods exclusively from the side of the executor. We're all plenty ignorant to fall victim to these things with some regularity. Awareness of how we are taken advantage of is sometimes more useful than the skill to take advantage. To read the whole book exclusively as the "perpetrator" is essentially arrogance. You're presuming the people around you are harmless play things that you could take advantage of, reading someone describe a cruel means of doing so, and then having the temerity to accuse the author of being morally objectionable.
Exactly
@@Eddyspekboter read Gavin DeBecker ("The Gift of Fear," "Protecting The Gift," "2 Seconds," and the book written by the FBI agent who helped create criminal profiling- which I have yet to read myself but have been told is excellent. )
How do we combat the narcissistic sociopaths?
Learn to spot and out them. Protect the Empathetic.
48 laws of power achieves this.
Well done.
Yes
This was one of my favorite books. The historical references are excellent.
Mastery is a great book too!
True. Every single chapter has a historical reference, telling us a story with a life changing lesson.
It's a great book
@@Andrew-hp1jk its common sense
its contradictory, and if you actually wanna get ahead, be direct and blunt, and do things well. Its way too much manipulation
This absolutely fantastic content, what an intellectual conversation between two amazing men
To hear the author himself connect the idea of power to Nietzsche's philosophy is music to my ears
2 men who have given me the power to change my life, thanks to both of you. The book serves as a way to distinguish when someone is trying to manipulate you.
I'm 20 years old. This book opened up a new perspective for me on how to view the world and people, this book gave me a connection to people I never had before, this book freed me, made me more powerful, and more confident in a good way. This book literally fulfils my heart. I would HIGHLY recommend.
I've got 1 book each to our iconic modern heroes and it changed my frame of mind a lot. Thank you to both of you. My respect.
I love your work so much JP. Grateful for you putting your work out here for us 🙏🏻❤️
This is absolute gold. The only books I’ve ever purchased are from these guys
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𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟏𝟐𝟑𝟒𝟐𝟎𝟑𝟐𝟑𝟔𝟕
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True, as a young person I find it so hard to relate with people especially in the work place and in friendships, people feel threatened and often you have to tone down to please people. It almost sounds like people are ok with you as long as you do not outshine them. social spaces are so hard to navigate, you constantly need to change to fit in. people are struggling with themselves their transfer their all their insecurities to others this is very apparent in spaces where people are competing places like workplace and even in friendships.
Just bought the book last week. I canf put it down. It's so damn good. Buying the rest of your books once I finish this one
Me too just bought it last week.
This reminds me of a great book from decades ago: Winning Through Intimidation by Robert J. Ringer. The title is provocative, but it’s really about understanding intimidation so that you can recognize when others are playing you. That book was a real eye-opener for me that gave me a great bullshitometer.
Two of the most renowned psychologist,eminences in there own way,both have amazing books .
Dr. Peterson is wonderful listening to; for me, - Jordan is truly just like stepping out into the sunshine on the clearest of days and taking a deep breath and feeling clean fresh air in my lungs after prolonged confinement in a cold dark dungeon.
Thank you for this! Like Greene, I've viewed his "laws" as necessary evils, in that these power plays DO exist, despite anyone's wish they wouldn't. Akin to saying they "come with the territory." In my mind, part of his book applies well to someone wanting to expand the positive aspects of building professional etiquette. (There is information that is neutral and describes some healthy behavior, not the least of which is confidence.) Any moral being will feel as if even the table of contents reads like a play book inspired by the Devil himself. I continued through the book for two reasons: to understand both the power plays and the motivations behind them. I've been the victim of Outshining The Master, the unicorn hunt, and many others, just within the past few years. I realized so many more once I finished the book- that spanned decades of real work experience. Curiously, the vast majority of actors did not have a plan, and knew not that their deeds and actions were neither unique nor new. Green did a good job of exposing root motivations and basic human behavior, though I can't say whether or not this was his prime focus. It surely worked out to that end, in my opinion. Thanks to Jordan for reaching out to Green and for this interview!
Such a generous comment with an admirable appeal to honesty
Seems like you enjoyed his books 😆
Thank You Sir Jordan Peterson. To me You are the Godf
ather of Canada. Thank you fpor saving all of us. and thank You to one of my favorite author of all time. Merci infiniement a vous monsieur Robert Greene.
I read this book more than 20 years ago while employed in an organization which, I am convinced, used Golding’s “Lord of the Flies” as an HR manual. Although the book seemed utterly Machiavellian, it was also a helpful guide to understanding what was going on around me. Ultimately the king in this court proved to be mentally unstable and I was one of the casualties. Fortunately, I landed on my feet in the long run.
"an organization which, I am convinced, used Golding's "Lord of the Flies" as an HR manual." THAT IS HILARIOUS! 😂😂🤦🏽♂️👌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🖋🌟
I want to remember that as a quote 😛
This is Gold!
Come on guys the conch is a good system!
Love your 'Lord of the Flies' analogy😂👌 I've experienced that baptism by fire when I was waaay to young to grasp what exactly was happening and how it would affect me. Thankfully I didn't join 'the feast of flesh' but that experience stands out as one of my toughest life lessons. Now you've just engraved that disturbing imagery in my brain🙆♀️🫠✌️Thanks😂
Robert Greene's voice is so soothing and meditative
Two of the greatest minds of our time, having a great conversation that we're lucky enough to witness in podcast format. Unbelievable.
Such a fine damn line brother!!! I read these books in prison even though they are not allowed at 52 yrs old. Well-read in Philosophy, these books shook me a little like Makaveli and Sun Tzu did at 18! I agree about society and their ills. Once I make the conscience choice to start Implementing this type of behavior that I dislike in other people, I will only spiral downwards with them. Association breeds simulation, as a Virgo I have to be careful not to be consumed by ideologies like this. I have a difficult enough time with the moral compass I have now. Nice verbal 2 step brother but thank you for being on You tube when I was released (for growing weed indoors) from prison. You helped me adjust mentally when I came home to this crazy world a year ago
I feel like I've been manipulated by others in the past. This book has allowed me to clearly see that this is true, and how it happened.
“Where love rules, there is no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.” -Carl Gustav Jung
Ask that to Nietzsche
@@justnocure.4895 Ask what?
His book is so misrepresented that I almost didn't read it thinking it was for assholes. I had to stumble on an interview with the author to get an idea of what the book truly is. I like how much of the book is actually about balance rather than conning someone out of their power. Most of what I have read so far seems to be about giving other people what they want so that you can get what you want almost quid pro quo. Much of the rest is either about benefitting yourself at no ones expense and not hurting yourself for the benefit of nobody.
I was in a very similar situation. Because a bunch of assholes I almost missed this!
I empathize to a great degree with Robert when he says these dynamics are ubiquitous but generally not discussed in contexts where they are really the elephant in the room. At the same time, it’s part of the seeking of power to not discuss them openly, which is only further credit to Robert for writing his books and articulating so well something which we all are subconsciously aware of. I enjoyed his books a lot and find them extremely valuable as history lessons as well.
I’ve been waiting for this legendary battle for years. ⚔️
As it relates to one's career, and having worked in some very political environments I learned a few things id like to share.
1) when you are naive and don't know any different you think you have to play politics and that's just how it is
2) large corporations are inherently political (despite their attempts at promoting or developing a "culture" thst is based on meritocracy)
3) you need to recognise if that is for you or not. Simple decision, if not then don't play that game
4) focus on building competence at something. own your own develoment and with relatively high competence you will have control over your direction
4) you can leave those toxic environments and find a place to work where those skills are recognised, and you don't need to kiss anyone's arse to get ahead.
5) doing that is likely to leave you so much more satisfied than if you play politics and artificially work your way up the ladder in a place you don't really like, playing games that stress you out.
6) never wait till you are unhappy to make a change in your job. Look for your next challenge when you are feeling your best
I love JPs advice on how to listen properly, you have to recite the others point in your own words so that the other agrees with it, and you can see how perfectly he did it in this interview.
If you are reading this, know that you are worthy of anything you desire. Most times it amazes me greatly how I moved from an average lifestyle to earning over $63k per month, Utter shock is the word. I have understood a lot in the past few years that there are lots of opportunities in the financial market. The only thing is to know where to invest.......
I keep wondering how people earn money in financial markets, i tried trading bitcoin on my own made a huge loss and now I'm scared of investing more.
@@nyreggie-isb23 That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like *Mr Gary Mason Brooks* my coach, you may have come across him on interviews relating to bitcoin and stocks. He trades, manage trading account and offer mentorship program for clients who wish to become professional investors.
@@bjoe631 You allow people to trade for you? that's interesting, I would love to learn, hope it’s safe?
Wow I can't believe you guys are discussing about Gary Mason Brooks , I once met him at a conference in California 2019, just before the pandemic. I can testify that he’s very good in trading..Highly recommended.
@@susanhaynes679 This is the Fourth time I'm seeing someone talking about Mr Gary as there are lot of testimonies about him, do you know him ? if yes , did you invest with him ?
The book should be used as a guide/tools to help you in environments or situations where one must pursue power to succeed. A lot of people commenting are assuming he means to employ these tactics all the time, to everyone in every area of your life. This is not true. If you are building a career in a competitive environment then this is the perfect book.
God bless you Jordan all the way from the good old UK 🇬🇧
Thanks to Dr Peterson and Mr Greene. I managed to overcome trauma because of their work.
Thank you, Dr. Jordan Peterson.
I have watched almost all of your lecture series, and just started with your book 12 Rules for Life. You have improved my life with your work and I thank you.
Love and gratitude from South Africa
one of the best books i ever read...
The 48 Laws Of Power is known to circulate in correctional institutions and not for the betterment of the inmates. I have observed with my own eyes this book being shared among juvenile felons (early- to mid-twenties) as the bible on how to manipulate people. Even worse is Greene's The Art of Seduction with chapters like 1. Choose the Right Victim and 15. Isolate the Victim. I observed that book being circulated among sex offenders. I would counter the 48 Laws Of Power with How to Win Friends and Influence People as an alternative to becoming a person genuinely interested in and caring about others versus being manipulative to obtain power and the object of their desire which was the goal.
Two of the greatest thinkers of this new age.
I'm currently reading this book. It's been a slow read for me. But I have enjoyed the lessons learned
So happy you’re back in good health and sharper than ever Dr Peterson
This man is a true genius 👏
This brilliant book is, in a real sense, a book for the ages because it shows, even proves, that human nature is unchanging. And that the court of the world is indeed a dark, turbulent place. "Its up to you,' says Greene, ' to make the separation between yourself (as a leader) and others permanent.' Good. The book could be called elitist. Even better. Clever guy.
My 2 favourite authors of this generation
Just unbelievable. less than an hour ago I was introduced to Robert Green for the first time on the impact theory, and was watching his interview. Then I get a notification about this one.
It’s called UA-cam algorithm 😅
The matrix has you man! 🤣
@@Sam-tq6xr I would agree with that but this video was like just uploaded.
@@kylefer yes that’s how yt works. There’s nth special
its contradictory, and if you actually wanna get ahead, be direct and blunt, and do things well. Its way too much manipulation
The 48 Laws Of Power is the first book I've ever read, and it is the book that made me love reading books
4:35 - 4:52
More relatable words shared amongst those who have worked in many fields are rarely spoken. On the surface level everything looks like flowers, it's easy to forget there are usually snakes beneath them until you really experience that firsthand over and over again.
The flowers represent diplomacy that all these snakes hide behind, I assume ?
@@jimsippi1419 Imagine going into a job thinking everything looks great, people seem nice, all smiles, only for a few weeks in for people to start conniving against you behind your back and trying to set you up to get written up/fired from said job, to the point in which they are able to puppeteer your managers and supervisors into making your life there that much more unbearable, even though you'd just rather stay invisible, do your time and go home. Enough repetition of this causes one to get jaded and see the things that he saw, that human beings in the workplace are usually quite manipulative and toxic. I've worked a lot of jobs and this doesn't change anywhere you go, even when I was at places in which I thought everyone was congenial and great, as soon as I left or the company went south, they all pretend they never knew you, you start to realize a lot of folk are only nice to you because you might be their boss one day, etc. A lot of stuff that just makes you find yourself not exactly in love with the fact that you're the same species as these folk.
Sounds about right, I guess. Too bad though. Ladder walkers, Sounds like.
I'm very glad this book was written. Thank you for bringing Robert Greene to us.
Reading this helped me see worlds I didn't know existed within the underbelly of what I observed.
I liked this book, it helped me te become a lawyer en get true the university.
its contradictory, and if you actually wanna get ahead, be direct and blunt, and do things well. Its way too much manipulation
This book is sooo good. Thank you for that interview, Jordan.
Life changer! 😆
For me, Greene has been useful in the task of inoculating myself against the darker natures of man. My youthful naivety cost me dearly on many occasions and Greene has helped.
Same here
I don't feel law 21 is manipulative at all because there are many tricksters out there and you wanna be able to spot if someone's motives are pure or are they trying to trick you. This is my personal go to law as a way to protect myself and not to victimize anyone its more of meeting someone new, especially in buisness. 👍🏼
*God bless y’all,* I’ll be 58 in few days, I stumbled here on this approach on the best ideas, ways or means to invest my (250k) good enough to retire, hoping on the best aids here; Positivity always Wins. Any idea...
Perception is reality; Our perceptions on your approach influence how we interpret, understand, and act on the truth.
it’s very important in understanding human behavior because every person perceive the world and approaches life problems differently.
@Louise Raphaël Your thoughts and ideas on this approach are very remarkable and would as well appreciate it if you enlighten more about the wealth manager you talked about. I want to engage on this scheme.
@Louise Raphaël Got it 👍
Access to productive information is what we all need to become successfully in life. Here’s a good one to take part in.
Hi, curious, are you saying 250k is enough for you to retire? I’m 42 and need to start doing some serious retirement planning, but I believe I need 2M. How can you retire on 250K?
I'm glad this is clarified.
I was shocked too when reading tge book but I carried on and soon started thinking tgat this book is not just teaching what to do but is exposing tgat shadow that we use in our lifes.
I respect both of these gentlemen and as a professional in a similar field I incorporate many of those concepts.i have both of their books and often recommended them to clients as part of their therapy 😀
Astrology is a similar field? 😆
@@hyperspacejester7377 yes because planetary relationships are important. Moon is mind and it can be troubled. Saturn and mercury that are placed with certain alignments effect each one of us differently. I'm Also a life coach and educator. Carl Jung was also aware of how astrology was very significant. I hope this helps. Ask yourself why you felt necessary to address me at all?
@@Divinenubian The planets made me do it ✌️ 😆
Im genuinely happy that the author is still alive to be asked about, according to some "the most dangerous book". What a time we live in. I actually feel kinda lucky.
Just bought 12 steps. I am ecstatic that you can articulate thoughts the way you do, and shocked that I have come to the same conclusions without formal education. Looking forward to more!
Cool flex bro 😆
Cool flex bro 😆
Cool flex bro 😆
Well a lot of the rules are really rife with common sense when you think about it, it just shows how far we have strayed.
Some people are more mindful than others. And you seem to be one of them. I’m sure you’ll like the book as much as I have. Happy reading pal
Awareness is so important, and sadly not everyone is looking out for your best interests. Stay aware!
Thank you Dr. Peterson for changing my life. You really have made me want to be a better and stronger person. I’m extremely grateful for all the sacrifices you’ve made to share you work with the world.
It's a very important & highly relevant work of art - hands down👍.
We should accept Power as a matter of fact instead of demoralizing it. It's all about how to deal with the inevitable 'game' of power. How to make the most out of the hand of cards you're being dealt with. Good luck everyone😊.
To be honest I think laws of human nature is probably his best book
Facts
Is it as historical as the one about power? I was disappointed about too many historical stories as I believe people may have changed and some stories from the past may no longer be valid.
@@sylwiazientek5182 it has a lot of historical content but the content it more introspective and has more realistic expectations
I feel like robert poured in all he got in writing laws of human nature ...
@@sylwiazientek5182 The laws of human nature contains more recent historical stories like the ones that occurred in the last century.
So awesome to see two GOATS discuss this topic! Will watching the full interview for sure.
Another good one doc! Keep it up, I for one get a great deal of positive from your work!
@@user-bs1ky4uy3s ok, will do.
Thank you for all your work Dr Jordan B. Peterson. I’m grateful for all the ideas and motivation you brought in my life. Se you in Budapest in June. Hope we can shake hands a take a picture.
May everyone who is watching this video succeed in their goals which will definitely improve their and their love ones lives.
Healthy and productive days and years, mr Peterson!
Two brilliant men. This is gonna be good
Great book and life changing I started it when I was in prison but had it ripped for my hand as contraband in the middle of it I finished it when I got out and I've read it several times since everyone should read this book
Stop it! Don’t start any rumours
@@colemancalgary5260 what rumors? Care to clarify?
As my current read, I really needed this interview.
I love that book very nicely written specially the historical references were great read it a couple of times and would read it again it helped me a lot! 👍
Love Robert he’s been my favorite author since 2011…
Wonderful and really really super amazing.
I don't know how to thank you and how to describe this. Thank you very much, I've enjoyed this great podcast very much.
Thanks for everything Jordan!
Watched enough of the video to get the suspicion that many of this man's learnings were developed as a young person struggling to survive in a world where he was not doing what he wanted to do.
There is a lot of ego in the statement about outshining the master. In every job I worked, there was always that guy who could do the job better than the boss. Of course, he was never the boss. He was just better than the boss.
Wow these 2 together in a podcast? I gotta watch this
I have been reading his book '32 strategies to war'. I have no idea how I ended up with it, but I've had it for over 10 years and never read it. I just started a week ago and I like it a lot. The book strongly aligns with a lot of my own philosophies. I will be reading '48 laws of power' next.
Try Laws of humans nature after. View changing book. I've read it through many times definitely worth it.
I read that book from beginning to end about 4 times in 2 weeks when my dad had cancer. The 'lateral' lessons learned from that book are simply immense.
*33
Just read Mastery and now I'm reading The Art of Seduction
I've read all his books years ago but 33 strategies of war and the art of seduction are my favorites. I couldn't stop reading them! 😆
I think it's Sun Tzu for everyday life, if you are an common man that book is very useful.
Currently reading the book (about 1/4 away in); expertly written, historically interesting, and, my god, I feel like Machiavelli reading.
Buy his other books too, I recommend reading Mastery and the Laws of Human Nature next.
I'm dying with laughter! 😆
woww JP and Robert Greene together. Dont really have much use for JP but every teenager should read his books. Robert Greene is a legend
Dr Peterson is clearly a special breed. I have felt for a long time that Dr Peterson is exactly the man humanity needs in precisely the correct timing and I have long been grateful for his bravery in taking a stand - even though I realize this has made him a target of some very powerful and perhaps dark/manipulative forces.
My experience in the world, corporate and otherwise tells me that the manipulation in the laws of power are inherent. They simply exist. It’s how modern man navigates the ladder of corporate America as well as it is clearly expressed - to me anyway - in all types of power hierarchies at least the ones I have first hand knowledge of.
The fact that Dr Peterson perhaps isn’t aware of this so intimately only reaffirms my somewhat grandiose opinion of him as a divinely inspired actor on the world scene.
It’s almost endearing that he is obviously so morally upright that he is shocked by the candid admission of the laws that I see exist objectively all around me.
The author here had to spine to name what many others are aware of and employ, but rarely speak of. Im actually appreciative that someone had the spine to publish this. It’s apparent.
Im also appreciative that Dr Peterson had no idea about it.
These tow people talking to each other makes me feel happy I don’t know why but they are one of the greatest people I’ve ever known on social media
Robert is spot on about the depth of how Nietzsche and Machiavelli thought. They didn't promote perceived negative traits attached to them about power which I find many people. I think people who deny that the female species also have their own passive style of the will to power are just a bit naive.
Female species?
@@markdin2988 yo mama
@@markdin2988 I think what he is saying is women also strive for power but in their own way. Which I agree with, what I learned recently was that since women r physically inferior to men, they biologically adapted to show violence in a different way. Women r socially more superior to men. They can manipulate or gas light u easier and it just comes natural for them. Stuff like this needs to be talked about more especially in America with all the single mothers, and buzz words society has created
This book along with Il Principe are the greatest books ever written
I wish they talked more about the vast disparity in their worldviews. Jordan’s conception of reality is very optimistic, believing that the articulation of truth necessarily brings to world into harmonious order, while conscious dissimulation corrupts both society and the soul. Robert, on the other hand, believes the very opposite. In fact, if you read the preface of 48 Laws Of Power, Robert says explicitly that those, like Jordan, who claim to be revolted by Machiavellian power-games are the most manipulative of all. Robert also says that honesty isn’t a virtue in and of itself, but should be used sparingly as a means to the ultimate end: power. I really wish they could have hashed this out, as I’m currently feeling melancholic over the possibility that Robert might be right, and Jordan’s advice has been nothing more than feel-good nonsense…
Great observation!
It sounds like they are saying the same thing. People who are unaware of how they are ruled by their egos or how egos rule other people tend to lead to a disastrous life. I guess I’m not much of a Jordan Peterson fan because he uses too many technical terms that aren’t really necessarily.
I think Jordan Petersen is very bright..but at times I think he tends to be condescending(ie; he once said "First off, most of you won't have careers, most of you will have jobs". That's not very encouraging and comes across like "Well, I(Dr. Peterson) have a career, but you will always be a p-e on/working for the man"
U said it perfectly. Perterson will give u a good understanding of life in a positive sense but not in a way that will be beneficial. I would just recommend religion to anyone who feels lost. I myself am Muslim but love to learn about human nature and referring back to the Quran to see if something similar is stated in it.
I don't think Green endorses being dishonest in an overarching sense..if you look at his interviews he says "I think we learn to become human". I think both men agree that optimism is a good thing and both men believe in challenging self limiting beliefs.
The timing of this snippet is exceptional for me. Thank you.
Now that I think about it, it's very surprising Jordan has never mentioned the 48 laws of power before, it feels RIGHT up his alley. Not in terms of adopting it, but I think it'll be interesting for him to dissect it.
Tho it seems he is in the early shock/discovery/confusion mode at the moment.
@@JohnDoe-iu5xi Ohh, very interesting. That sounds like a diff. side of Jordan.
I'm surprised he would think that based on the context I have currently, tho if I reach I can see where 'weakling' could come from in the context of Greene's content and him adopting it himself.
Edit: This vid. mentioned a bunch of that as well of course lol
Two of my favorite writers and thinkers, what an absolute treat.
"act fool catch wise" something a true friend taught me.
the best book to teach someone about why people do what they do and act the way they do.
I listen to the audiobook a month or so ago and really I liked it a lot.
My only issue with the book, is it offers very little in the way of advice on what to do when you know the tactics in it are actively being used against you, only how to use and adapt them as your own. Upon reading the book I realized some of the laws were being used against me by others, by the end of it I felt I did not know how to counter this fact, I was still left better equipped than I was before reading it however.
Good book none the less.
That should be his next book or your next book
Yeah definitely agree, better than going on nothing however. Great book still tho
The 50th law does a much better job of explaining how to counter hostilities towards you.
Being aware is the first step. Just by having that knowledge you’re in a different situation than those who don’t.
@@bigimportantman1544 The main law I feel used against me often in life is Commit to No One. Usually in relationships, I feel like I'm often a orbiter waiting for the person I'm interested in to finally get in a place mentally where they're ready to be in a relationship or commit, but it never happens and I eventually just move on while they continue to pile up many more suitors who are just as blind as I was to the fact that they aren't going to commit. I would love to learn how to break that law out of my life and find someone I truly click with that doesn't have this fault/ability, depending on how you see it.