The Most Broken Stage in Melee (is legal after 15 years)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Mute City forever.
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song list:
"Menu Theme (Mario Kart Wii) - Orchestra Remix" by Joel Armishaw
• Menu Theme (Mario Kart...
"Main Menu" from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
• Video
"Colonel Panic" by The Fearless Flyers
• THE FEARLESS FLYERS //...
"For Your Consideration" by Nick Campbell Destroys, Jacob Mann, and Christian Euman
• For Your Consideration...
"Ace of Aces" by The Fearless Flyers
• THE FEARLESS FLYERS //...
"Mute City" from Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
• Mute City - Mario Kart...
3:40 Don't forget flat zone's temporary low traction zone, the oil spill!
Also the stadium grass right?
@@alex__9001stadium grass is higher traction im pretty sure
@@Octobeann oh damn you’re right
i love the oil spill
i think the small patches of the turtles exposed shell on great bay also have reduced traction
"Why care about a tournament like this?"
Literally on the screen: $25,000
I was about to make the same comment before I read this lol
I didn't see that. Why didn't he mention that? 😮
yeah amsa walked away with a cool 10 grand
Armada retired
That wavedash clip is definitely the best explanation of the mechanic I've ever seen.
I agree
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amsa has the true spirit of melee, pushed his childhood favourite character to #2 in the world with a constant smile on his face, such a huge inspiration
Based
I formally request the re-legalization of all the wiiwiies and joumping marioos for the preservationist gamer historian custodian posteriorrity.
@@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWiiwhat
@@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWiiwhat being chronically online does to a man
I love how happy Amsa and Cody both look. They’re laughing and just having a great time, and it’s such a good energy
Trans women aren’t women.
well you're fat@@DukeBluedevil70
@@DukeBluedevil70assumption of the century
Even if they were trans they're still a human, so treat them like one asshole.
@@DukeBluedevil70Going out of your way to say something thats false and harmful really shows what a person you are
@@Stampyboyz They aren’t. Cope.
I remember I once accidentally made Snorlax destroy some cars while the road was still moving, so it was cool to see for that one match a car that was just burning in a random point of the track that wasn't a stopping point for the stage
Another way in training mode is to use the Super Star and Hammer at the same time and jump on the tracks while the platform is moving and the vehicles are passing by. I use to destroy them for fun by doing that.
Honestly, Off Season 2 was the most fun I've had watching a tournament in a minute. Hope to see more stuff like it.
I'm glad to see that truly everyone enjoys melee
surprised you get reception all the way in your hardcore superflat world!
Y know I respect tournaments that let stages that aren’t boring and flat get picked, it’s nice to have it get acknowledged that the stage, if trained on well, can actually really showcase a form of skill in the game you don’t really get in “competitive” play
Mogswamp jumpscare
@@megarotom1590 A skill that I would argue is just as important to being a good Smash player as memorizing characters' frame data.
I can't believe competitive melee players are finally having fun after 15 years. So cool seeing the meta game evolve all these decades!
Are...are they even allowed to have fun? I thought fun was banned in tournaments a decade ago
the age of sweaty ass players is gone finally
Last 15 years of sweatlords is what made the melee community 10x bigger than it ever had any right to be. If none of them cared about being competitive they would've just moved on to the new and more diverse smash games like everyone else was telling them to do.
"More diverse smash games"
Lmao.
@@SuperCatacata
@@CreamyPesto505I mean… they are. Have you seen the character numbers these days? There’s at least a hundred times as many matchups vs melee
We need more events like The Off Season. A time of relaxation before hopping into another major is a genius idea and I'm surprised nobody thought about this. Just have fun playing the game, not everything needs to be competitive :)
Agreed. Not just for Melee, but for Ultimate also.
There's so many funny ass stages in Ult we never get to see (many of which could pass for legal, but never see action because they're not perfectly flat or have moving platforms.)
A time for play amongst the time we set aside for play. What strange creatures we are. (For the record I totally agree, there need to be more "fuck around" tourneys)
Cod agreed, hate the fan base mentality of tourney legal only
Yeah, definitely. Have your serious tournaments still, that's fine. But have fun chaotic quirky side tournaments too, where every stage is legal. See what kind of chaos unfolds. It'd be fun af.
Amsa literally won 10k lol, how do you stop being competitive with 10k on the line?
first time ever hearing about the off season. the fact they have the option of fun stages in the set actually makes me excited to watch it. do we know when another tournament from them will happen?
Idk when the next will happen but next year is a good guess at around the same time, but I highly recommend watching some sets the commentary is amazing as they also hold call of duty and guitar hero tournies and share the commentators and well CoD commentary in smash is the funniest thing ever
The lead optic guy intends on doing it every year, he's a big melee fan.
Admittedly, I'm a little biased because I've been a fan of Hitch and OpTic for years, but the Off-season seems like less of a tournament, and more of a celebration of gaming, people who love what they do getting together for a charitable cause and the love of the games they play. Highly recommend tuning in to the next one if you can next year.
Probably never with the new Nintendo guidelines
Nintendo said they'd sue anyone who did a tournament with a Nintendo game for profit or nonprofit so that prolly won't happen.
I use to pray for time like this
But what do you use? Insence, a shrine, offerings?
Your prayer paid off. Thank you.
to rhyme like this
@@Chicodreams So I had to grind like that
@@andrewferguson6901 It doesn't matter so much what specific ritual, equipment or deity. The aspects that matter most for a successful prayer are desire, intent, focus, faith and patience. Experiment with different methods and see what works best for you. Personally, I like doing it lying in my bed when half asleep with binaural beats playing in headphones. The most important thing is to not have distracting thoughts, your only thoughts should be the thing you are wishing for and nothing else, and you have to have such strong faith that you believe it's already happened. It takes practice of course.
As much as I love the tournament legal stages, it’s fun to see people playing competitively on “unfair” stages. Makes for a lot more refreshing situations.
Didn’t know there even was an off-season for melee, definitely gonna be paying attention to that now!
Awesome video!
People have done that for years with pokemon stadium
@@usernametaken017 haha, but Pokémon stadium is the legal non-legal stage! That doesn’t count! :3
Amsa was so fucking wholesome with that hug with cody and the air guitar playing
It was a real guitar, I'm sure of it!
Amsa vs Cody Off Season was just great to watch. Seeing both of them having lots of fun instead of being frustrated about losing made it wholesome.
Oooh, first time doing non-short-form content on this channel! Fun topic and great music choices throughout the video. Regardless of how much it matters to our scene narratives, The Off Season is just a fun event that's worth discussing.
wow, it's been so long since the last time I saw you, I used to see your comments a lot under Siivagunner video
NOW WAY SSBSEAL
Wow, the graphics provided are absolutely gorgeous, and this was really well narrated on top! Amazing video and YATTA AMSA
Holy shit the editing in this video is on another level, melee moments never fails to impress
That diagram was *fantastic*. Pure creative brilliance and clear communication of the idea.
Watching two people clumsily wave dash into each other on the energy field reminded me of this old game called Gunz. It was a third person shooter multiplayer thing, but it was badly coded and players figured out multiple entire "martial arts" in the game that we called "styles". So you would pick your load out based on your style. I can't remember what they were called now, but there were 3. One wasn't as good as the others and it was dropped, the best one was called M-Style, and it involved having multiple keys bound to the same action. So you would have like 5 different keys on your keyboard that would let you strafe to the right, for example, and this allowed you to cancel your movements consistently with a new strafe button register. It was eventually banned as it was too powerful and too hard to master. Only a few people could do it, and the creator retired from the game after it was banned.
The final style was the mid style that was good and consistent without being totally unfair. Maybe it was S-Style? But I really can't remember now. Key things were movements like something we'd call "The Butterfly", which involved you jumping, slicing and blocking with your sword simultaneously (swords can block bullets in this game), and so many fights would look silly as people were jumping at each and performing weird sword animations, and then one of them just dies. But the best trick was the shotty trick I've forgotten the name of.. you come into a game with 2 guns and a sword. You can pick two shotguns, and then you shoot one shotgun and swap to your next shotgun and shoot that in space of about 0.1s. if you got caught with that you were instantly dead. Was a fun game
I LOVE this! We need more high level play on unconventional stages. It's so interesting to see these overlooked locales getting studied to learn the mechanics behind them, and labbed for optimal gameplay strategies.
Might as well make items legal again and throw all the rules out
@@hypotheticaltapeworm this but unironically
@@hypotheticaltapewormnot even kind of the same thing
@@nundulan Mmm, yes it is. Gimmicky stages are just as unfair as items. You can have characters sit in one spot and abuse walk-off in the same way that you can clobber someone with a thrown item. A stage hazard can wipe out a stock like a Pokéball or Assist Trophy can.
Tell me, how is it not the same?
@@hypotheticaltapeworm one is rng based and one isn't lol how do you not realize that
"It has one thing that sets it apart from every other stage in Melee...Multiple Locations"
*Poke Floats has entered the chat
Rainbow ride would like a word.
@@oliver4534I don’t think Rainbow Ride is a map in Melee, correct me if I’m wrong.
Pokemon Stadium would like a word as well.
At least, this was true before they started freezing it.
glad the devs are still giving content drops all these years later! cant wait to see what new stages they add to this game
Great graphics. All of them. Also why grind out useless knowledge on a single non-legal stage with items that you can't use for hours? Because you never know when one tiny fragment of what you learned is going to be what determines your victory one day.
Or for funsies
Or because it’s silly and that’s fun.
@@houraisheperd9721 Sure but not everyone finds labbing out stage minutia fun. Amsa's passion for grinding for Yoshi and also for grinding Mute City go hand in hand with his sense of fun.
@@Bones_ idk if its just me but labbing out anything is just fun as shit, useful or not
its probably finding new things out that captivates me
@@Joshy- And you probably also have a fascination with obscure knowledge regardless of whether it has an assured usefulness. Then it sits in your brain until it possibly maybe does.
4:00
"Fox on Ice" is shaping up to be a great performance!
I absolutely love this longer form content, and your editing is insanely clean as always! I had to pause so I could stop laughing out loud at the comments on the diagram usefulnesses. Great video!
transformice mentioned
@@gaugea no way
Mute City's return was a breath of fresh air as a spectator imo.
This is a fact
Video production is so high quality that I actually learned how a melee wavedash works
this is why I'm all for wacky rulesets, gives us some fun matches to watch! Great video
"Amsa chose violence." What an epic quote in that context. What an amazing video, 10/10. I did not care about Smash at all, but your videos got me so hooked.
This was my favorite tournament in a long time mainly for the stage wackiness. The arwing shenanigans on corneria were particularly hilarious
If there was an Oscar’s for production value this would be nominated. Absolutely incredible
It’s so weird to have Mute City broken down like this, i had no idea it was designed to be a comprehensible active race. I also never realized that the platforms are following a track.
I haven’t played the stage since i was much younger, and when you’re actively fighting you aren’t focused on the stage. So i honestly always assumed the environment was just randomly switching to different configurations.
Brilliant video!! Very satisfying watch, and great iteration on your style from the last video.
The future is bright for Meleetube 😎
I love the shear amount of post production and how often it questions itself in effort
This video was simply amazing. The editing, the delivery, the research, all of it, holy cow that was good. What a treat
3:35 That chart is so nice
10:00 also 25,000$ is good too
This is what every community needs more of.... Contests that break the normal rules here and there to bring some fun back into the sport.
i like how polished this video is with visuals and examples everywhere
This is such an incredibly well-made video. Very well done:)
4:35 CORY WONG!
Been hearing more and more of him around on these kinds of videos and I’m loving it!
as for the question you posed of why do players care, the off season 2 had a bigger prize pool than genesis and big house. almost as big as both of them combined, actually
...I like your answer better, though
LOL i should’ve ended with that
Things like this keep the game fresh. Hopefully some day we start adding brand new maps, AND FUCKING FIX THE BATTLEFIELD LEDGE
Awesome animations and diagrams man! Also big kudos for Fearless Flyers
Thought my Spotify started up lol
that was two videos in one perfectly melded and refined down to 10 minutes. wonderful
Great video! I wish we had more tournaments like this, it would be a fun 'get-away' so to say, from being overly stressed and hopefully help relax the players.
"Why put in the effort?" as the screen advertises a $25,000 prize.
What a wavedash graph! Gorgeous
I love when videos about small topics that are really cool but nobody else cares about it get overly dramatic but work amazingly
ASMA FOREVER!!!
"Why care about this" because the strongest top players are the people who still have fun and a tournament like this where it's just a little goofy and doesn't have the stakes of rankings is one of the best mental breaks that someone could ever have. We really need more of these kinds of events.
Great video! I love your visual style and editing, and honestly love the style of the prints! Any plan on making shirts or hoodies with these designs?
Edit: Also I must add, the level of effort you put into this video was nuts, honestly reminds me of the level of editing that someone like AsumSaus would employ. Melee creators really be out here putting mad effort into editing and creating entertaining videos when they could be labbing new tech smh (jk kek)
the editing on this video is insane. great job
We are truly entering the golden age of melee video editing, among a variety of channels
Incredible video! Can't believe you only have ~30k subs. Your visual comparisons and explanations are off-the-charts exceptional!
im sure theres a childlike joy in having a mastery over the game, booting up mute city & realizing theres still so much to learn about the game you live.
1:00 fun fact! Not only did Armada ride counterpick Mute City through Pound, he did it while the stage was banned in the EU. Mute City is so busted for Peach that he had zero tournament experience on the stage and still used it to win.
fraser these videos are phenomenal, love the diagrams and infographics (and the music choices!!)
Wow, I understood this video and this video would have normally been over my head. This was video was clear, captivating and edited so well. I especially liked all the animations made on top of the video. I can’t believe how well those worked articulating concepts to me
Can we just talk about how dope the guitar trophy is? Screw wanting to be the best, I’ll grind for that shit instead
9:30 Cody going for the hug is so heartwarming
That was a great diagram, you did great, I agree :)
Keep it up, love the videos
Dude awesome music selection for this video! I’m a huge fan of the fearless flyers and was super surprised when I noticed that they were in the background of this vid! Jacob Man is also a great pick! For some reason you picked out the music in my study mix!
Mute city and corneria are so hype. I think it's very healthy for viewership to have a larger stage pick. I think it would be awesome if the melee community used more stages like unfrozen stadium, great bay, rainbow ride, poke floats, and jungle japes 64. They would have to enforce camping much more strictly tho.
My favorite thing about this is that in every combo and clip both players are having a blast
Why the hell would this be a legal stage? Doesn't make any sense.
because it's f u n
@@arisumego So is a custom stage with items on 3 v Gigabowser, but that isn't tournament legal... It's not fun, its dumb.
I understand why it’s banned in normal majors, but dude it felt so fresh seeing a new stage in competitive melee. And I love how my goat aMSa got to be the hero of the story too. Great video man i don’t know how I’ve never seen any of your content before!
I think the reason Amsa invested so much time in mute city is simple: it was fun. Even at the highest level, where the pressure of results is heavy, competitors should have fun. Amsa has the smile of someone who still loves this game and wants to learn more about it. I hope he never loses that smile
I like how all the clips of mute city games have the competitors just genuinely grinning about something happening, regardless of whether they're on the receiving end of it.
Y know I respect tournaments that let stages that aren’t boring and flat get picked, it’s nice to have it get acknowledged that the stage, if trained on well, can actually really showcase a form of skill in the game you don’t really get in “competitive” play
I’ve never played Melee. I’ve watched a few sets because, let’s face it, top level players are impressive. So I had forgotten that the F-Zero state was even in the game. I gotta say, while the stage is very wacky, it does represent F-Zero X really well! I’m actually impressed with how it looks, it’s pretty good. And the fact that you can make the pilot retire (aka break their cars) is such a nice touch too.
This was a really nice video to watch. I love tournaments like that that break away from the norms a little, it makes them more memorable than the thousands of fox or marth only FD no items matches imo.
Can we just appreciate how chill these two are facing each other in a tournament. They actually look like they're having fun.
The fact that it was initially banned because it gave an advantage to PEACH of all characters says a lot to me lol
I remember putting 4 CPU level 9's fighting overnight on mute city as a kid, waking up and finding all the cars destroyed. Didn't know they were destructible before that. Neat memory
The quality of the editing from this channel might be the most impressive I have seen, genuinely. I have never felt the need to leave a compliment about the editing of a video before, yet here I am.
Amsa reaches Jerma levels of destructive craziness putting that much effort into trying to wipe out the Mute City cars.
The colonel panic was unexpected, but very appreciated.
Also, props to you for crediting your songs. Not evergone does, and more eyes on the flyers is only a good thing.
Edit: Ace of aces was just icing. :)
Your simulation with the freeze frames explained really helps for those who are new!
Me who never played any Super Smash Bros was absolutely hooked on this video. Also pretty nice to see watching them have fun at a competition. That's so refreshing to see.
This was a fun watch! It's nice to learn about niche stages like this, it also doubles for learning more of Melee's mechanics like the low traction floors. Never knew how surprisingly faithful this stage is to F-Zero's mechanics, with the cars being able to be destroyed and whatnot. It's fun to see serious matches be played on these wackier stages :D
As an outsider looking in on competitive Smash, it's crazy to hear "why even care about this tournament and these wins?" just because a particular stage featured prominently.
I understand the reasons given for banning certain stages from competitive play, but its not like they inherently can't be taken seriously. The stage is totally playable.
This is a really, really good video. Editing, graphics, sound design, mixing, script, everything is really good. Seriously, well done. I'd watch a 3 hour video explaining the different shades of off-white if it were this well made
I don't know any of the pro scene, but that yoshi player gives me good vibe
I love that, time and time again, competetive Melee has these watershed moments where players realize they could be having fun instead
7:38 THE CHIMES MATCH THE MUSIC!!! AMAZING
3:27 the visual aid is perfect. Its designed well and shows how to do the trick.
This video is so amazing! The editing, graphics, storytelling, everything was put together with care. You did a great job!
(Side Note: Your Wavedash Diagram by Length could be better represented by spreading out the diagram more, and as you commented, increasing its overall size since it is quite small)
I'm not even sure exactly why, but somehow the thumbnail fooled me into thinking this was a Jon Bois video, but I'm not even mad. Fucking stellar video, thanks so much!
It's almost looking like there's a little enclave of passionate melee fans with high-tier video editing skills beginning to surface and I am absolutely here for it
The virgin modern game: DLC, furious content updates, desperately releasing new seasons 😫
- vs. -
The chad classic game: *unbans 1 stage* 🗿
that red Yoshi is like an omen of destruction. love amsa
The sound design in your videos is godlike, and your narrating is so good. I would watch your videos on almost anything with this sound
Did not know Mute City was such a big deal for Armada back then!
The fact that stuff like "Peach was too good on this stage one time so it got banned for 14 years, btw it just so happened to be a fox counter pick too, we promise this isn't rigging" is what kept me out the melee scene for so long, I'm glad to see this slowly changing.
The Off Season have been such fun events. Great to see the crossover between the Smash and CoD communities and these great players just having fun for charity.
The explanations kind of makes it look like Mute City deserves to be part of main stage list.
5:36 I've done that. My siblings and I used to have a little PvE contest where we allowed Bom-ombs and motion sensor bombs and our goal was to blow up every car in mute city.
the production on this is a delight, really fun watch
The Algo really knocked it out of the park recommending this video to me! Highly in-depth Melee discussion? ✅️ Beautiful design and color work? ✅️ Paper Mario TTYD song drop? ✅️ FEARLESS FLYERS song drop?? ✅️✅️✅️ INSTANT follow as soon as I heard Colonel Panic. Well played!!
I’ve been wanting extra stages available for some of these events! It would just make it more interesting and fun at this point
It's crazy to think about how many people don't know this kind of stuff because they got into melee for the competitive aspect. I'm assuming there are people that never just play the vanilla game just for fun with all the stages, items, and such