"Small pedalboard" is my normal pedalboard. For quite a while now I've been using 4 or 5 pedal at a time. Nobody: What pedals are you currently using? Me: Glad you asked! SolidGoldFX Rosie -> You Dirty Rat -> TC Viscous Vibe -> TC Flashback 1.
@@AD-kv9kj Mick used the Fulltone Deja Vibe. David Gilmour used a Uni-Vibe. The Fulltone Deja Vibe is a copy/clone of the original Uni-Vibe. Hendrix used them a lot. Machine Gun from the Band of Gypsys live album is a great example of a Uni-Vibe.
I feel like I play better when I use my tiny board. I think options paralysis can stifle creativity sometimes and only having three or four pedals makes me focus on my playing.
this is so true, i own 15 pedals at the begining of my guitar pedal rabbit hole and now? I only have 5 or 7 pedals, but planning to sell other so i can only have the essential effects to color my sound…
Mick, these are some of my favs. I love getting to walk with you through your thinking and process, as well as the shout outs to wonderful consumables! Cheers.
Hey Mick, I believe we might have worked together at Future Publishing during the same time! I worked at the Bath office from early 2005 to early 2007, first as deputy art editor at PC Format and then as Art Editor at ImagineFX. Did a few photoshoots with Joby at the Future Photo Studio just a walking distance from the office along the canal, and remember him well, great guy! I think he later married another photographer from Future, right? Such a great time that was, made good friends and loved the atmosphere at the office. A pity I was not a guitar enthusiast then, would have loved to have met you and visit the Guitarist office. I took to the guitar for real about 2 years ago and have been practicing daily, it's been life changing to start turning a real love for music into something palpable in my hands. Keep up the great work! Best, Marcelo
I think we would all like to see some footage of you two when you play some gigs, even from a stationary go pro point of view. Don't know if that's asking too much for you guys to think about come gig time, which I would understand, but it would be cool to see you guys having fun jamming out.
Holy shit, Mick! In all the time I’ve been watching you I don’t think I’ve ever heard you mention Pearl Jam. I absolutely love them and acknowledge Mr McCready as a remarkable “feel” guitarist. I’m sure you could get him on the show easily enough. 😁
Watched this for the third or four time this afternoon and subsequently required to think about the smallest board I could make with existing tools. Yes, its very Five Watt World, yes it's 'tight' (I'm Northern, that's fine) however isn't this the right way to go? Think about how you can squeeze the absolute most from each pedal to protect you during a set. If you feel comfortable in your surroundings - know your gear - you can perform/express/enjoy. Just four pedals, so many sounds, so much expression. Thank you, Mick. (Not least for the classical sounds in the background)
I am absolutely super happy today. I got a Laney L5t 112 tube amp today. I was just so sick of constantly tweaking my katana and pretending it was brilliant. The L5t just sounds brilliant. Couple of pedals. Tweak a couple of knobs and your away. I think it’s the best amp I have ever played!! I’ve had it with digital and solid state
Now we all know that it was the glasses next to the board that enhanced the sound tremendously...🤣. Great setup, Mick. Simple, easy, amazing sound. Setting a mini board up for myself this week. Perfect timing. Definitely using some of there ideas.
Nice build. Personally, I would have had to slide the quartermaster over and tried to fit in a mini tuner of some kind. Looks like it would have fit. Glad it worked well for you!
@@LetsPlayAll Thanks man...btw, I absolutely LOVE your channel!! I've learned how to play a bunch of PJ songs the RIGHT way after so many years of playing them the "not so right" way (in front of ppl🤦🏻♂️) lol. Seriously though, thank you for what you do👏🤘
Two years ago, I was so much hyped about a big pedalboard. Finally, I sold some of the pedals because I don't feel having a lot due to the signal loss, also just used a lot a delay+reverb, a reverb, two drives, a booster and compressor. I would take the tremolos and reverbs from the amps. Small pedalboards are really nice. And I'm trying to go in that way.
I just put together my Pedaltrain Classic Jr. I put a Vitoos DC 8 isolated power supply underneath the board. It has A & B ports that are 9/12/18V 1000mA each then 6 more 9 V 300mA. I have one reverse power for my Eventide Pitch Factor. One BD-2 and Xotic SP in front of the amp. BiYang Stereo Reverb, TC Transition Delay, and Nu-X Modcore. I use another board by the mic stand, That has DigiTech Drop, remote for Eventide Pitch Factor. After the Drop signal goes to the wah. Then it is sent to the BD-2&Xotic SP on the other board, I just built. Also, on the mic stand board has a TC Body Rez, Parametric EQ for a piezo signal to a D.I. Box.
I admire Mick's passion for analog audio and pedals... all that work (and expense) for a few tunes at, basically, a house party. That said - for little 'gigs' like this I'd just go for a small multi-effect pedal and call it a day.
Would love to see more builds like this, love the channel in general but board builds are my favourite bit! :D tidy, slick, craving building a board now! cheers Mick xD
Interesting, I mounted a PSU on the bottom of a pedal board using velcro as shown here. After a few hours of use the PSU warms up enough to make the adhesive go soft and the PSU falls off under gravity - tie wraps to the rescue. Lesson learned, do not use adhesive on the bottom of a pedal board for things that get warm!
I'd like to mention that, for all your humble welcomings of celebrity players and your genuinely starstruck reactions to their playing, you guys are able to host them for a reason. They respect you guys as players and they recognize the huge influence your platform has. Please do pick up your guitars and play with Josh Smith and Joey Landreth etc... etc...! You guys have massive musical vocabularies and are fabulous players. Mick soloing over a Joey Landreth progression would be priceless. Dan chopping heads with Josh Smith would be revelatory. Push yourselves to compete on that level and you're on that level. You have access to those players and they'd love to push you guys to new heights. I want to see an improv video pairing you guys with these guitarists. Nothing planned, all improvised off of each other. Nothing to it but, to do it!
That's very kind - thank you. However there is a respect we show to artists. If they invite us to play, we'll play. Plus, I can't speak for Dan, but when I'm in TPS presenting/producing mode, I find it next to impossible to play with any flow or 'music' because keeping the show on track requires a totally different headspace to being musical with the guitar. It's weird. But yeah, if they'll ask, we'll play. It's important to know that we're enthusiasts and they're artists. In my head there is a colossal gulf between those two things. Cheers!
Belle Epoch Deluxe draws 200 mA. I started watching this channel when I started assembling a new guitar rig a few months ago after being out of gigging for awhile, saw the BED on the episode with Andy Martin, and eventually settled on it for my deley. It's a fantastic pedal.
Hi Mick, I know it's That PEDAL Show but after seeing several of your boardbuilds, vlogs and all regular shows (thanx so much, I learn a little something every time I tune into this channel and get inspired to play) I have to ask: Could you do a show on cables? What cables can you use from your guitar to your board, what cables work well as patch cables, is there a "better" cable to use from your board to your amp than the in you use form your guitar to your board, how do contraction, impedance and length affect the cable, and so on... Quite frankly I can't get my head around all the info that's out there, so if you could break it down (preferably with diagrams and sock puppets ) that would be great!
Thank you for taking the time to walk us through this. Educational and inspirational! I'm off to redo my metro 16 but not before a nice cup of white tea.
Even though it looks totally over engineered for what I would use it for it's awesome. Beats my plywood board with cupboard handles and rubber feet in terms of mini boards
Good board, good sounds. Thanks for sharing! Similarly, I have used a PedalTrain Metro 24 to make a grab-n-go/experimentation board. I found that the Cioks DC5 power supply fits nicely underneath and provides enough juice for the 5 or 6 six pedals that can be arranged on the board. Currently I have the Carcosa fuzz, Morley Maverick wah, Way Huge Saucy Box, Catalinbread Bicycle delay, and TC Electronic T2 reverb, and Earthquaker Devices Nightwire trem on there. No room for a switcher, but so far it sounds fine. All these pedals (even the Morley) are of "normal" size-not mini, not large-and replacements can be made easily.
Excellent vlog - as usual! I appreciate the pace, detail, and commentary before, during, and after each activity you record. Very engaging and enjoyable. Thanks!
Mick, for next time, shift the Quartermaster across to the right of the board and use the extra space to flip the delay on its side. Looking at it on video, looks like that would get you the touch more space across the top you want.
I love that you guys have ‘dear friends’. I’m guessing it comes from Dan originally. Speaks to a more civilised time that we should aspire to (particularly on the internet). Cool video as well. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Glad you have to made do with the Pedaltrain cos it means that we’ll have another pedalboard build from you soon now that the proper board has arrived.
This is the same effects chain, I use when kept to four, except I don’t always use a Tubescreamer for OD, but having the Big BoB Mod, makes it super versatile. BC108 FF > MojoHandFX Villanova Univibe > VFE Pale Horse(or DLS if not a strictly blues gig) > Caroline Effects Kilobyte Delay(the havoc switch can help with any psychedelics 😀)
I have a Deja Vibe. I think the original Fulltone power wall plug is 300 mA. (BTW, it’s 9 volt with an internal 18 v. conversion.) Sometime since, Fulltone issued a bulletin saying that optimum performance requires a 900 mA power source!
Nice little video mick. The power invertor lead sticking out the side of the fuzz is killing my ocd though... Two options - 1. Put the invertor lead under the board and run another lead with a right angle head up to the pedal (it doesn't matter where the invertor goes between the power outlet and the pedal. Or 2. Don't use the invertor - just wire that power lead into the gig rig isolater in reverse - positive into negegative and vice verca. Cool little board though. Finally does the bad Bob boost come before or after the drive circuit of the od? Lovin your work.
Tom Bromby yeah I was thinking the same as your last option, but on second thought the wire might not be removable so that’s probably why he left it like this...
Tom Bromby yeah I guess you’re right! I took a look at the products page and found no information whatsoever about this polarity inverter nor did it show on any of the pictures. My ocd is tripping out as well now 😔
The BellEpoch could be turned so that the 1/4 in inputs are facing to the right and the bypass switches to the left. This would add a little space for the Maxon. Nice board!
For the reverse polarity on the Davey Fuzz, take a cable from the isolator and connect it in reverse..You wont need the adapter !! Also mount the Generator near the side if the board to make plugging in the power cable easier , mount the distributor and isolator behind it..
Also got a Metro 16 recently, powering it up with CIOKS DC7. So glad they’ve invented it, much less hassle than your Generator setup for powering pedals with various voltages and currents!
On my small pedalboard (nano +) I have: boss tuner, KTR, sola sound tone bender (kit made) boss re-20 space echo. Now I got a slightly bigger board and added a chorus.
Thanks for such a quick response! However, if it was as simple as that! I wouldn't have had the need to ask the question in the first place. I imagine you have had the opportunity to ask Dan to explain the in's and out's of all the available power options and what they do, and why you use this one instead of that one.
Great vlog, thanks! By the way, if there is only one high current pedal on the board you can “reverse isolate” it. By which I mean, if everything else on the board is isolated, then that one high current pedal that’s left will be isolated and will receive the correct current from the distributor directly.
I've never seen a board with 4 pedals put together with so much love to detail and such a high degree of engineering. It's so perfectly done, I almost wanna sprinkle some expensive fleur de sel over it.
Hey guys, I just bought a miniFuzz GE, pretty pumped. I've never heard of this polar issue until this video. How can I learn the know!? Seeking knowledge...thank you good humans.
Interesting to see the whole process from what the purpose is, to which pedals, to how to power, etc. It is quite nice to have a quartermaster, all the generator gear and various length, high quality patch cables just lying around ;-)
Indeed! I appreciate not everybody has this luxury. But that's where we find ourselves. Idiots on UA-cam with 30 years of guitar nuttery under the belt!
For the fuzz power cable... why not do the polarity reversal under the board and run an angled extension cable to the pedal? I know it is adding an extra connection (which I would duct tape together) but that dangling bit looks way more risky...
I'm in the process of putting together a mini board myself. However, my approach it's going to be to copy a Chemistry Works holey board design albeit much smaller and out of wood. I'm a bigger fan of using zip ties than Velcro. I'm probably going to go with all mini pedals including a Peterson tuner, Tube Screamer Mini, a first-generation tumnus, an mxr carbon copy Mini and a small power supply. I'm hoping this will work well and a very small stage environment. It's for that situation where you literally get a corner of the pub and your drummer just had to bring the double bass kit or 15 cymbals and the singer thinks he Freddie friggin' Mercury or Axl Rose and needs room to jump around. Also a smaller board is a smaller target for the drunk that just has to tell you how great you sound as he spills on the floor.
Can you and Dan PLEASE do an all mini pedal challenge??? Not sure if there should be a limit of pedals or budget, but you can only use mini sized pedals. You can call it the “fun sized pedalboard challenge” or something………..
Some cables like for example planet waves the positive conection is surround with a black tiny plastic that is condutive for help better negative ground. That back plastic is on top covering the white positive plastic, If u not take that black plastic and u let touch in the jack capsule u will end up with some hiss.
try strymon power supplies. every output is isolated and you have the option of 12v and 18v. all those loose thin power cables clipped in / under the board is scary! ive tried the gig rig power solution and with an open board like this its not a good idea! good luck with the gig though.
@@ThatPedalShow I like the GigRig solderless system for power, but I feel it can't compete against the simplicity, versatility and space requirement of a CIOKS DC7. I totally understand that since you are comfortable with (and already own) the system that's what you go with. I just wish there was an updated version of the GigRig system that would make powering "special" pedals a breeze. Let me finish by saying that I enjoy your videos very much and think that they bring good to the world. Thank you!
I hope gig rig makes an all in one package type of power supply unit in the future but regardless they make top notch stuff and I hope to own a g3 one day! Great videos guys
In case anyone is struggling with power supplies that fit under smaller pedaltrain boards, the Strymon R300 fits underneath with zero modifications. I use one on my Metro 20.
Just bought a Nano+ and found the cheap power supply I have doesn't fit unless I do a ”Mick mod” and that ain't happening! Shame that The Gig Rig power supply requires the same modification so I have a Strymon R30 on order and no messing with daisy chains i.e. power -> distribution -> isolator...etc The Gig Rig products are great (i’m sure) but a little over engineered for my simple needs/skills and it also doesn't fit under the Nano+ 😢
Agree, I looked at the Gig Rig stuff and figured over kill (too complicated for my brain) for 5 pedals. I do wonder when Pedaltrain will jack the height of their boards up. Seems an obvious requirement for many people.
Terrific Board Mick, if you had truly been an Industrial Design Grad you would have painted that base extension black .. Sorry but could not resist .... Ha Ha ... Love that pedal selection for a mini board, especially the Belle Epoch and the King Tone Guitar Mini Fuzz !! Cheers !
Mick, Because the too short problem is not infrequent I would suggest another modification that you could attach as needed with stronger mushroom head velcro when needed, just another stick of wood to run under the sticky outy cables, just to extend the safely kickable range of the board, since it seems another 20-40mm on at least one end would have added a helpful margin of safety.
I discovered that Velcro now do industrial strength velcro. Got a load on offer from Wickes and covered my board in it. The glue seems just as strong as 3M but the actual tape is half the price. Worth checking out.
On those evidence audio cables, they’re great, but you really have to strip off as much of the black layer as you can. It’s conducting. You have about 1mm gap only of white insulation which could run you problems on those cables... I’ve made that mistake and was a nightmare to troubleshoot.
So awesome! The only advantage of a bigger board is the option to have more sounds. Everything else is in favor of a smaller board - Lighter, More appropriate in most situations, easier to set up and troubleshoot if needed etc. - So if you can find the sounds you need in 4-5 pedals, get a small board! :D
Very impressive sounds out of a small setup! I love it! but that new schmit array is without a doubt the best looking board i've ever seen! More details please!
This is a great ad for something like the Strymon Zuma power supply. Fully isolated, all outputs 500mA, two outputs switchable from 9-12-18v, all from one single small unit...
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Yes!! Mike McCready love! Criminally underrated.
World's Okayest Guitar Demos yes yes yes 🤘
"Small pedalboard" is my normal pedalboard. For quite a while now I've been using 4 or 5 pedal at a time.
Nobody: What pedals are you currently using?
Me: Glad you asked! SolidGoldFX Rosie -> You Dirty Rat -> TC Viscous Vibe -> TC Flashback 1.
Hahaha! Awesome.
@@ThatPedalShow Hey guys, 30:25 - This tone sounds just like Gilmour's Breathe tone. Do you know what he uses for that by any chance?
@@AD-kv9kj Mick used the Fulltone Deja Vibe. David Gilmour used a Uni-Vibe. The Fulltone Deja Vibe is a copy/clone of the original Uni-Vibe. Hendrix used them a lot. Machine Gun from the Band of Gypsys live album is a great example of a Uni-Vibe.
"A pedal train which i have modified"
Expectation: Flashing lights and spinning things
Reality: "A piece of wood"
It's a matter of surface and deep structures, Professor Chomsky.
@@simonnaji - Plus some wood :)
@Forallofus Plenty y'en as tu chez marcil?
@Forallofus Plenty do you recall the size of feet you got from Rona?
Check Big Vibrato.
I feel like I play better when I use my tiny board. I think options paralysis can stifle creativity sometimes and only having three or four pedals makes me focus on my playing.
Man, I only own five pedals and get paralyzed by options some times.
this is so true, i own 15 pedals at the begining of my guitar pedal rabbit hole and now? I only have 5 or 7 pedals, but planning to sell other so i can only have the essential effects to color my sound…
That OD9 was most surely sent down by the Gods! Well thought out 4 pedal boards really are a thing. Nice work Sir.
Mick, these are some of my favs. I love getting to walk with you through your thinking and process, as well as the shout outs to wonderful consumables! Cheers.
Haha. I like that you always talk about OCD and yet the strip of wood is not painted to match the pedal train. My god!
Lower case oCD ;)
Wood looks damn good on black, it's a good combination.
Mike is being just eco-friendly not using spray.
Yeah, as soon as I saw it I said out loud, "Paint the damned board!"
Awesome video anygate.
Hey Mick, I believe we might have worked together at Future Publishing during the same time! I worked at the Bath office from early 2005 to early 2007, first as deputy art editor at PC Format and then as Art Editor at ImagineFX. Did a few photoshoots with Joby at the Future Photo Studio just a walking distance from the office along the canal, and remember him well, great guy! I think he later married another photographer from Future, right? Such a great time that was, made good friends and loved the atmosphere at the office. A pity I was not a guitar enthusiast then, would have loved to have met you and visit the Guitarist office. I took to the guitar for real about 2 years ago and have been practicing daily, it's been life changing to start turning a real love for music into something palpable in my hands. Keep up the great work! Best, Marcelo
I think we would all like to see some footage of you two when you play some gigs, even from a stationary go pro point of view. Don't know if that's asking too much for you guys to think about come gig time, which I would understand, but it would be cool to see you guys having fun jamming out.
Holy shit, Mick! In all the time I’ve been watching you I don’t think I’ve ever heard you mention Pearl Jam. I absolutely love them and acknowledge Mr McCready as a remarkable “feel” guitarist. I’m sure you could get him on the show easily enough. 😁
Agreed, Mike M doesn't get enough mention as an all time great guitarist, I'd love to see him on TPS
Mick get him on!
Amen to that Neil!!!
Watched this for the third or four time this afternoon and subsequently required to think about the smallest board I could make with existing tools. Yes, its very Five Watt World, yes it's 'tight' (I'm Northern, that's fine) however isn't this the right way to go? Think about how you can squeeze the absolute most from each pedal to protect you during a set. If you feel comfortable in your surroundings - know your gear - you can perform/express/enjoy.
Just four pedals, so many sounds, so much expression.
Thank you, Mick.
(Not least for the classical sounds in the background)
I am absolutely super happy today. I got a Laney L5t 112 tube amp today. I was just so sick of constantly tweaking my katana and pretending it was brilliant. The L5t just sounds brilliant. Couple of pedals. Tweak a couple of knobs and your away. I think it’s the best amp I have ever played!! I’ve had it with digital and solid state
Mick the sound you have... It's just amazing !!!
Aw, thanks man!
Not gonna lie, pedal board builds give me an artistic chubby every time.
Hell yeah rockin the chub
Oh and by the way. These are some of my favorite episodes. Love seeing boards being built.
Mick, you the man. I hope folks recognize how much you do for this channel. Good stuff brother.
Also STRONG honk for Frank Turner
Now we all know that it was the glasses next to the board that enhanced the sound tremendously...🤣. Great setup, Mick. Simple, easy, amazing sound. Setting a mini board up for myself this week. Perfect timing. Definitely using some of there ideas.
Nice build. Personally, I would have had to slide the quartermaster over and tried to fit in a mini tuner of some kind. Looks like it would have fit. Glad it worked well for you!
Mike McCready is AMAZING! Also he is incredibly and unfairly UNDERRATED!! He is in my top 5 favorite guitarists
Drew Mello agreed Drew 🤘😎
@@LetsPlayAll Thanks man...btw, I absolutely LOVE your channel!! I've learned how to play a bunch of PJ songs the RIGHT way after so many years of playing them the "not so right" way (in front of ppl🤦🏻♂️) lol. Seriously though, thank you for what you do👏🤘
Drew Mello thanks so much Drew! That’s awesome you like the channel, really appreciate the feedback 😊🤘
What a great time to be alive. Thanks for sharing the details.
Two years ago, I was so much hyped about a big pedalboard. Finally, I sold some of the pedals because I don't feel having a lot due to the signal loss, also just used a lot a delay+reverb, a reverb, two drives, a booster and compressor. I would take the tremolos and reverbs from the amps.
Small pedalboards are really nice. And I'm trying to go in that way.
I just put together my Pedaltrain Classic Jr. I put a Vitoos DC 8 isolated power supply underneath the board. It has A & B ports that are 9/12/18V 1000mA each then 6 more 9 V 300mA. I have one reverse power for my Eventide Pitch Factor. One BD-2 and Xotic SP in front of the amp. BiYang Stereo Reverb, TC Transition Delay, and Nu-X Modcore. I use another board by the mic stand, That has DigiTech Drop, remote for Eventide Pitch Factor. After the Drop signal goes to the wah. Then it is sent to the BD-2&Xotic SP on the other board, I just built. Also, on the mic stand board has a TC Body Rez, Parametric EQ for a piezo signal to a D.I. Box.
Happy to say I’ve got an OD9/Bad Bob inbound for my small board, mainly due to this video.
I admire Mick's passion for analog audio and pedals... all that work (and expense) for a few tunes at, basically, a house party. That said - for little 'gigs' like this I'd just go for a small multi-effect pedal and call it a day.
Remember what we have access to though. We are entirely fortunate and spoiled in that respect. So no compromise needed, embarrassingly!
@@ThatPedalShow - Agreed. That's why I admire the passion.
Would love to see more builds like this, love the channel in general but board builds are my favourite bit! :D tidy, slick, craving building a board now! cheers Mick xD
Kingtone fuzz sounds amazing!
Love small boards. Great vid. That belle epoch makes every other pedal just sound better. Thanks for this.
Does the new Belle have a different "preamp" sound? I'm still using the old one.
@@andtothewestamerica very different. The preamp on the BE wasnt based on the EP-3 Preamp really. The BED has the exact same circuit and runs at 22v.
Interesting, I mounted a PSU on the bottom of a pedal board using velcro as shown here. After a few hours of use the PSU warms up enough to make the adhesive go soft and the PSU falls off under gravity - tie wraps to the rescue. Lesson learned, do not use adhesive on the bottom of a pedal board for things that get warm!
I'd like to mention that, for all your humble welcomings of celebrity players and your genuinely starstruck reactions to their playing, you guys are able to host them for a reason. They respect you guys as players and they recognize the huge influence your platform has. Please do pick up your guitars and play with Josh Smith and Joey Landreth etc... etc...! You guys have massive musical vocabularies and are fabulous players. Mick soloing over a Joey Landreth progression would be priceless. Dan chopping heads with Josh Smith would be revelatory. Push yourselves to compete on that level and you're on that level. You have access to those players and they'd love to push you guys to new heights. I want to see an improv video pairing you guys with these guitarists. Nothing planned, all improvised off of each other. Nothing to it but, to do it!
That's very kind - thank you. However there is a respect we show to artists. If they invite us to play, we'll play. Plus, I can't speak for Dan, but when I'm in TPS presenting/producing mode, I find it next to impossible to play with any flow or 'music' because keeping the show on track requires a totally different headspace to being musical with the guitar. It's weird. But yeah, if they'll ask, we'll play. It's important to know that we're enthusiasts and they're artists. In my head there is a colossal gulf between those two things. Cheers!
Belle Epoch Deluxe draws 200 mA. I started watching this channel when I started assembling a new guitar rig a few months ago after being out of gigging for awhile, saw the BED on the episode with Andy Martin, and eventually settled on it for my deley. It's a fantastic pedal.
Thank you - I should have just checked the manual, but I figured it'd be more than 125 so opted for a high current adapter. Headroom baby!
I cannot watch your vlog now, but it already puts a smile on my face! Cheers!
My favorite part is the competition orange tape indicating power for the fuzz. I’ve retraced a wire far too many times! Great board.
Always good to have enough resources to 'throw' something together on the fly...
Mark Lettieri?! I can't wait...
YES
Hi Mick, I know it's That PEDAL Show but after seeing several of your boardbuilds, vlogs and all regular shows (thanx so much, I learn a little something every time I tune into this channel and get inspired to play) I have to ask: Could you do a show on cables? What cables can you use from your guitar to your board, what cables work well as patch cables, is there a "better" cable to use from your board to your amp than the in you use form your guitar to your board, how do contraction, impedance and length affect the cable, and so on... Quite frankly I can't get my head around all the info that's out there, so if you could break it down (preferably with diagrams and sock puppets ) that would be great!
Thank you for taking the time to walk us through this. Educational and inspirational! I'm off to redo my metro 16 but not before a nice cup of white tea.
Actually putting together a small board myself so this is super helpful. Cheers Mick! :)
That Schmidt Array is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen
Even though it looks totally over engineered for what I would use it for it's awesome. Beats my plywood board with cupboard handles and rubber feet in terms of mini boards
@@robdownes5159 It looks like a 50's car. Which is what everything should look like tbf
@@conanbrophy4406 I may have just looked up where to get some sea foam green paint and some chrome handles, definitely feeling the 50s car vibe now
I was perfectly happy with this vlog, and then there was the addendum. Now, I desperately need the next vlog about that awesome looking case.
Good board, good sounds. Thanks for sharing! Similarly, I have used a PedalTrain Metro 24 to make a grab-n-go/experimentation board. I found that the Cioks DC5 power supply fits nicely underneath and provides enough juice for the 5 or 6 six pedals that can be arranged on the board. Currently I have the Carcosa fuzz, Morley Maverick wah, Way Huge Saucy Box, Catalinbread Bicycle delay, and TC Electronic T2 reverb, and Earthquaker Devices Nightwire trem on there. No room for a switcher, but so far it sounds fine. All these pedals (even the Morley) are of "normal" size-not mini, not large-and replacements can be made easily.
Excellent vlog - as usual! I appreciate the pace, detail, and commentary before, during, and after each activity you record. Very engaging and enjoyable. Thanks!
This board is so comfy and cozy.
Mick, for next time, shift the Quartermaster across to the right of the board and use the extra space to flip the delay on its side. Looking at it on video, looks like that would get you the touch more space across the top you want.
Arrrrfgghhh. OCD meltdown.
I love that you guys have ‘dear friends’. I’m guessing it comes from Dan originally. Speaks to a more civilised time that we should aspire to (particularly on the internet). Cool video as well. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Mmmm... white tea! Nature's transparent clean boost.
You could reverse the polarity directly on the Isolator. Just a matter of switching the wires
Nice tip! Thanks
@@Northknives he probably did it that way to clearly identify it and not connect to another pedal by mistake. A label would do just fine
thank you for mention Argentina! you can come over whenever you want.
Can't go wrong with the Deja Vibe. I put off getting one for years but now I have it and it's wonderful. One of my faves.
Glad you have to made do with the Pedaltrain cos it means that we’ll have another pedalboard build from you soon now that the proper board has arrived.
Geeze, that new board is gorgeous!
Whoa name check Jesse Davey! Let's get him on the show Mick! "Big Blues" album on repeat in my car😍
Wow just a ts and delay and you got a tone better than some guys with 5k worth of pedals, well done
Dude I love the second Beethoven Symphony on the background!!!!!!!!!!
This is the same effects chain, I use when kept to four, except I don’t always use a Tubescreamer for OD, but having the Big BoB Mod, makes it super versatile.
BC108 FF > MojoHandFX Villanova Univibe > VFE Pale Horse(or DLS if not a strictly blues gig) > Caroline Effects Kilobyte Delay(the havoc switch can help with any psychedelics 😀)
I have a Deja Vibe. I think the original Fulltone power wall plug is 300 mA. (BTW, it’s 9 volt with an internal 18 v. conversion.) Sometime since, Fulltone issued a bulletin saying that optimum performance requires a 900 mA power source!
Nice little video mick.
The power invertor lead sticking out the side of the fuzz is killing my ocd though...
Two options -
1. Put the invertor lead under the board and run another lead with a right angle head up to the pedal (it doesn't matter where the invertor goes between the power outlet and the pedal. Or
2. Don't use the invertor - just wire that power lead into the gig rig isolater in reverse - positive into negegative and vice verca.
Cool little board though.
Finally does the bad Bob boost come before or after the drive circuit of the od?
Lovin your work.
Tom Bromby yeah I was thinking the same as your last option, but on second thought the wire might not be removable so that’s probably why he left it like this...
@@mauritscnossen9388 pretty sure you can just unclip them and wire the "proper" way round for other pedals.
Tom Bromby yeah I guess you’re right! I took a look at the products page and found no information whatsoever about this polarity inverter nor did it show on any of the pictures. My ocd is tripping out as well now 😔
The BellEpoch could be turned so that the 1/4 in inputs are facing to the right and the bypass switches to the left. This would add a little space for the Maxon. Nice board!
Love the promo for white tea
For the reverse polarity on the Davey Fuzz, take a cable from the isolator and connect it in reverse..You wont need the adapter !! Also mount the Generator near the side if the board to make plugging in the power cable easier , mount the distributor and isolator behind it..
Nice little setup Mick. Im looking forward to the sea foam pedal board vlog . 🤘
Also got a Metro 16 recently, powering it up with CIOKS DC7.
So glad they’ve invented it, much less hassle than your Generator setup for powering pedals with various voltages and currents!
It is for a board like this for sure… but I run multiple boards and the TGR modular system is the //only// thing that will cover it all. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow Cheers! And thank you for good work and informative content, got so much knowledge through it ❤️
As soon as I started thinking that this pedal board is like building a giant bridge to cross over a puddle, Mick said "maybe this is overkill."
On my small pedalboard (nano +) I have: boss tuner, KTR, sola sound tone bender (kit made) boss re-20 space echo. Now I got a slightly bigger board and added a chorus.
Thanks for such a quick response! However, if it was as simple as that! I wouldn't have had the need to ask the question in the first place. I imagine you have had the opportunity to ask Dan to explain the in's and out's of all the available power options and what they do, and why you use this one instead of that one.
Great vlog, thanks!
By the way, if there is only one high current pedal on the board you can “reverse isolate” it. By which I mean, if everything else on the board is isolated, then that one high current pedal that’s left will be isolated and will receive the correct current from the distributor directly.
A knife with a point on it! Look, an Arsenal! I’ll bet this scofflaw also owns a rusty spoon! 😁
that is the most beautiful mini pedal board i have ever seen!!!!! (the Sea foam green one)
Really appreciate the music choice in the beginning
I've never seen a board with 4 pedals put together with so much love to detail and such a high degree of engineering. It's so perfectly done, I almost wanna sprinkle some expensive fleur de sel over it.
You ſhould ſee my baſs board.
SansAmp BDDI V1-BOSS Baſs EQ-Klone By Tone-BOSS Baſs Driver BB-1X
It’s perfect
Hey guys, I just bought a miniFuzz GE, pretty pumped. I've never heard of this polar issue until this video. How can I learn the know!? Seeking knowledge...thank you good humans.
Hello T. Please watch out VCPI episode. Explains it all!
Interesting to see the whole process from what the purpose is, to which pedals, to how to power, etc. It is quite nice to have a quartermaster, all the generator gear and various length, high quality patch cables just lying around ;-)
Indeed! I appreciate not everybody has this luxury. But that's where we find ourselves. Idiots on UA-cam with 30 years of guitar nuttery under the belt!
@@ThatPedalShow Ha! Well I certainly enjoy the guitar nuttery.
Fun video. Learned a bunch.
For the fuzz power cable... why not do the polarity reversal under the board and run an angled extension cable to the pedal? I know it is adding an extra connection (which I would duct tape together) but that dangling bit looks way more risky...
Great pedal board. The sea foam green is awesome
I'm in the process of putting together a mini board myself. However, my approach it's going to be to copy a Chemistry Works holey board design albeit much smaller and out of wood. I'm a bigger fan of using zip ties than Velcro. I'm probably going to go with all mini pedals including a Peterson tuner, Tube Screamer Mini, a first-generation tumnus, an mxr carbon copy Mini and a small power supply. I'm hoping this will work well and a very small stage environment.
It's for that situation where you literally get a corner of the pub and your drummer just had to bring the double bass kit or 15 cymbals and the singer thinks he Freddie friggin' Mercury or Axl Rose and needs room to jump around. Also a smaller board is a smaller target for the drunk that just has to tell you how great you sound as he spills on the floor.
Couldn't you just reverse pins at the isolator and get rid of that extra patch cable you need for the fuzz?
Matevž Šega this is a good question, and has me wondering.
If the outputs are isolated, sure
you can but when you forget that you did it, bad smells from expensive pedals.....
@@glenby2u Most pedals have protection inside for that scenario. And you could easily put a sticker that says 'reversed' on it. Not that hard.
I always wonder, why make a pedal with a power jack like that ?
Is this the guitar equivalent of an ASMR video? Jolly relaxing and enjoyable
That's very kind Ben, thank you!
All On is my favorite part! thank you
I'll never tire of Mick casually mentioning "Dan's little yellow strippers" which ought to be a band name
Can you and Dan PLEASE do an all mini pedal challenge??? Not sure if there should be a limit of pedals or budget, but you can only use mini sized pedals. You can call it the “fun sized pedalboard challenge” or something………..
Thanks mick- I’m fairly sure the new version Strymon Ojai with switchable voltage would power everything here on a single tiny box.
Nah. GigRig forever. Works for everything no matter what board
Some cables like for example planet waves the positive conection is surround with a black tiny plastic that is condutive for help better negative ground. That back plastic is on top covering the white positive plastic, If u not take that black plastic and u let touch in the jack capsule u will end up with some hiss.
try strymon power supplies. every output is isolated and you have the option of 12v and 18v. all those loose thin power cables clipped in / under the board is scary! ive tried the gig rig power solution and with an open board like this its not a good idea! good luck with the gig though.
Nah. Dan sends countless artists out on tour with this. Tidied away properly, it's bulletproof. I wouldn't use anything else at this point.
@@ThatPedalShow I like the GigRig solderless system for power, but I feel it can't compete against the simplicity, versatility and space requirement of a CIOKS DC7. I totally understand that since you are comfortable with (and already own) the system that's what you go with. I just wish there was an updated version of the GigRig system that would make powering "special" pedals a breeze. Let me finish by saying that I enjoy your videos very much and think that they bring good to the world. Thank you!
I hope gig rig makes an all in one package type of power supply unit in the future but regardless they make top notch stuff and I hope to own a g3 one day! Great videos guys
I cannot believe you had tea with Johnny Marr! That's epic!
I love these vlogs Mick, really cool.
Thank you!
In case anyone is struggling with power supplies that fit under smaller pedaltrain boards, the Strymon R300 fits underneath with zero modifications. I use one on my Metro 20.
Just bought a Nano+ and found the cheap power supply I have doesn't fit unless I do a ”Mick mod” and that ain't happening! Shame that The Gig Rig power supply requires the same modification so I have a Strymon R30 on order and no messing with daisy chains i.e. power -> distribution -> isolator...etc
The Gig Rig products are great (i’m sure) but a little over engineered for my simple needs/skills and it also doesn't fit under the Nano+ 😢
Agree, I looked at the Gig Rig stuff and figured over kill (too complicated for my brain) for 5 pedals.
I do wonder when Pedaltrain will jack the height of their boards up. Seems an obvious requirement for many people.
hello, you can always put a small raiser on some pedals so you can put pedals closer together without worrying about jacks.
That’s a good shout. Cheers.
Only just seen this! Thanks for playing buddy. Sounded awesome as always! Hope you had as good a night as I did!
Terrific Board Mick, if you had truly been an Industrial Design Grad you would have painted that base extension black .. Sorry but could not resist .... Ha Ha ... Love that pedal selection for a mini board, especially the Belle Epoch and the King Tone Guitar Mini Fuzz !! Cheers !
Mick, Because the too short problem is not infrequent I would suggest another modification that you could attach as needed with stronger mushroom head velcro when needed, just another stick of wood to run under the sticky outy cables, just to extend the safely kickable range of the board, since it seems another 20-40mm on at least one end would have added a helpful margin of safety.
Great sounding little board!
Mike McCready on TPS.
Now THAT would get a huge amount of views
This.
Very much hoping there's some Joey Landreth footage to come in the next few weeks, cannot get enough of his guitar playing.
I discovered that Velcro now do industrial strength velcro. Got a load on offer from Wickes and covered my board in it. The glue seems just as strong as 3M but the actual tape is half the price. Worth checking out.
The Catalinbread B.E.D pedal running at 200mA as per catalinbread manual 👍
On those evidence audio cables, they’re great, but you really have to strip off as much of the black layer as you can. It’s conducting. You have about 1mm gap only of white insulation which could run you problems on those cables... I’ve made that mistake and was a nightmare to troubleshoot.
So awesome! The only advantage of a bigger board is the option to have more sounds. Everything else is in favor of a smaller board - Lighter, More appropriate in most situations, easier to set up and troubleshoot if needed etc. - So if you can find the sounds you need in 4-5 pedals, get a small board! :D
Very impressive sounds out of a small setup! I love it! but that new schmit array is without a doubt the best looking board i've ever seen! More details please!
This is a great ad for something like the Strymon Zuma power supply. Fully isolated, all outputs 500mA, two outputs switchable from 9-12-18v, all from one single small unit...