When working from home, I think a chest rig works best. I have the shortest possible travel from my keyboard to my multiple snack pouches. Also I personally have no issues with wearing my chest rig over my armor during my 8 hr standing work sessions. I think that is because I have vastly superior upper body strength. Thanks again for the great video. You have a nice camera and good editing. I think you changed my life
I'm old. I wore ammo and water on belt and harness in the US Marines and much later ammo and water on my plate carrier in the US Army. As you show, there's an argument to be made for either. However, me personally I'd prefer to distribute as much weight as possible on my hips if I *expect to be on my feet.* If spending the days in a vehicle, everything on a plate carrier is OK, though not perfect. Riding in a humvee all day every day with all the weight on a plate carrier did more to destroy my back and posture than anything else did.
The way I see it, chest rigs are great for short distance, close range engagements where the likelihood of getting shot goes up, necessitating the need for plates that the chest rig can provide. An LBE is great for long distances where you have more mobility and ease of maneuvering around to eliminate or disengage the threat, which wouldn't play into the chest rig's favor. I'd wear a chest rig if I was being transported by any means besides my own two feet, to a close range environment like a city where it would be difficult to move around in. I'd wear an LBE if I was moving on foot in a more rural environment where being fast is better than being protected. There's a reason that mechanized infantry are given the freedom of wearing body armor more freely, because they don't have to walk in their armor as long as their vehicle is still working. Light infantry can't really wear armor effectively unless they are rapidly moved into their AO like with paratroopers. Many people believe that LBEs will come back after what we've seen in the past 20 years, especially with the war in Ukraine showing that being highly mobile is still viable compared to being somewhat slow but protected.
I think slick plate carrier with LBE is the most underlooked setup atm. Great weight carrying capability, good comfort, good protection, checks all the boxes.
@@Carl_Burcham it sounds good in concept, but 1.) too bulky/ heavy 2.) are you really carrying that much? I can fit 48 hours of supplies in my LBE + daysack alone. If you need more get a bigger bag/bergan 3.) this won’t make much sense unless you’ve actually worn it in the field but having too many layers of straps sucks hard. Plate carrier plus LBE plus chest rig plus rifle sling plus daysack. You’re either gonna suffocate or wish you had from all the chaffing.
I like your idea of an adjustable strap across the middle of the ruck. Quick tip on rucks: to quickly don, place the ruck at your feet, straps facing away from you, grab the sides of the frame and lift it above your head, release with your arms extended, it'll drop onto your back
first 20 seconds gave me a whole ass flashback of the first ghost recon when you're selecting guys and their idle animation is holding up their weapon with one arm while looking around
I'm old, so my US Army-issued equipment was the OD, LBE. That said, I was never a fan since it made too much noise in the woods (mostly jingly, stiff and bulky mag pouches). I solved my problem(s) with a non-expensive ($25) M81, LBVE-88 which has comfortable shoulder straps, cloth pouches, and integrates pretty well with MOLLE. With that set-up and a small assault pack, my problems were solved
Maybe a micro rig. I think we've all seen that photo from the Son Tay raid where a dude has a chicom rig under his LBE. It seems LBE over a plate carrier with a 3 mag shingle is popular in Ukraine.
@@angryveteran8585this is what I do, running a dz rig with a slick plate carrier and a helikon tex TMR over it. Honestly you get the best of both worlds imo.
Im still firmly on team LBE. Not sure on the SMERSH rig, but on some LBE you can set the buttpack or rear pouches (Brit PLCE is deigned to be a shelf), to be used as a shelf to help support the pack. The newer Crossfire DZ rig, has buckles to interface with their packs and connect them to the LBE negating the need for a waist belt. In theory you could do this with many packs if you can find a spot to mount buckles on the LBE.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 I am going to sound hypocritical because a smersh is not cheap but the DZ is soo expensive. It looks like a great option as well if you don't care
@@uncompliant Nah, I get it entirely. Building out my (mostly) Eagle LBE was not cheap either probably about the same in cost as the DZ when you add the pouches and aftermarket buttpack but it's configured exactly how I want it, and definitely holds more. The DZ rig is just a PLCE with two buckles for a pack, why pay the premium when there are both surplus and used rigs floating around.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 How do you get the Eagle tight to your waist? I'm not a very big guy and have the straps as short as they can go, and it still rides loose.
@@EchoKilo-wi9ec Do you have the pads on the inside? Because those help alot. Otherwise remove the rear panel, attach the sides together and put the harness through the 2" triglides on the side panels and molle your buttpack to the two straps. You may wish to find a way to fix the pack to the harness and not just the "belt". I settled on a buttpack from SOE. It has two female swift clips on the top. Take some 1" strap, two male buckles, and 4 triglides, and rig it to the molle on the back of the harness.
In the chest rig v belt kit debate another consideration is are you going to be using a rucksack. Depending on the design they sit lower eg a civilian ricksack or higher on the back. A higher sitting rucksack can rest on a belt kit and move weight distribution to the hips. A lower sitting rucksack with a larger padded belt can be used with a chest rig.
There are better/faster ways to put a chest rig than that, even with armor. The LBE looks easier to put on, but when the straps get tangled up, and your dog tired from your days in the field then all of a sudden that 10sec task becomes a 5 min task. Really comes down to mission as you said. Long range patrols the LBE/webbing is king for obvious reasons and some not so obvious reasons. Raids, vehicle mounted operations, and direct action the chest rig is light years ahead of an LBE/webbing. i prefer chest rigs due to ergonomics. but the second i need to carry more than 3 liters of water on my person without a pack then i go running back to belt kits.
For me I personally don't need body armor so I like my alice lbe n Bandalier equipment I also use an M1941 combat pack with that military butt pack that Attaches to the Assault pack
I use both, and I have buckles on the ruck to attach the LBE to the ruck and have the top flap close over it. The LBE has heavier items than the ruck so the weight distribution is okay. Issue is it’s 80lbs so I gotta get stronger.
I think that if you do get engaged in a firefight, the ability to shed almost everything but your fighting and life saving equipment is a huge plus often overlooked by people. If I'm not wearing armor, I wanna be as mobile as humanly possible
@uncompliant touche. I think having a small or medium gp pouch for snacks is alright for the system, but not as much permitted by an lbe. Just my $0.02. I respect the lbe system and it's usage in the past, I just think that the system is not the best as a fighting system
I took the straps of my old type 63 harness, and rigged them to clip onto the front buckles of my PC, plate carrier now acts as the shoulder straps and I don’t get the issues of the straps digging into my neck by wearing it over the PC.
Or use both to carry more ammo and/or sustainment and use an assault pack or a smaller ruck instead of a large ruck. I think blue jean operator did this for a mil-sim west game but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to check.
I use a old alic lbe, have a modified pack that works with and without the lbe with just a clip in belt extender. Have a old type 56 chest rig for extra mags if need be. and can easily have body armor if I want. Also easy to ditch if I need to be mobile quickly, but can carry all of it for a long time without it killing my back with everything high with a chest rig.
@@uncompliant I made my own pad with some od green cuts from a old torn alice pack and some foam from a sleeping pad. Used this set up for about 16 years now lol.
You know if you have the right chest rig and if it isn't that big ,you can wear it with LBE, special forces guys in Vietnam wore type 56 chest rigs with Alice I mean common guys,it's not that hard to make it work lol
When working from home, I think a chest rig works best. I have the shortest possible travel from my keyboard to my multiple snack pouches. Also I personally have no issues with wearing my chest rig over my armor during my 8 hr standing work sessions. I think that is because I have vastly superior upper body strength. Thanks again for the great video. You have a nice camera and good editing. I think you changed my life
@@mshap3013 👁️🕳️👁️
Awesome video, the vehicle demonstration really helped visualize the differences
I'm old. I wore ammo and water on belt and harness in the US Marines and much later ammo and water on my plate carrier in the US Army. As you show, there's an argument to be made for either. However, me personally I'd prefer to distribute as much weight as possible on my hips if I *expect to be on my feet.* If spending the days in a vehicle, everything on a plate carrier is OK, though not perfect. Riding in a humvee all day every day with all the weight on a plate carrier did more to destroy my back and posture than anything else did.
@@BC-iu1bk that sucks man, thanks for sharing
Not service related* says the VA 💀
Best we can do is 10%
The way I see it, chest rigs are great for short distance, close range engagements where the likelihood of getting shot goes up, necessitating the need for plates that the chest rig can provide. An LBE is great for long distances where you have more mobility and ease of maneuvering around to eliminate or disengage the threat, which wouldn't play into the chest rig's favor. I'd wear a chest rig if I was being transported by any means besides my own two feet, to a close range environment like a city where it would be difficult to move around in. I'd wear an LBE if I was moving on foot in a more rural environment where being fast is better than being protected. There's a reason that mechanized infantry are given the freedom of wearing body armor more freely, because they don't have to walk in their armor as long as their vehicle is still working. Light infantry can't really wear armor effectively unless they are rapidly moved into their AO like with paratroopers. Many people believe that LBEs will come back after what we've seen in the past 20 years, especially with the war in Ukraine showing that being highly mobile is still viable compared to being somewhat slow but protected.
I think slick plate carrier with LBE is the most underlooked setup atm. Great weight carrying capability, good comfort, good protection, checks all the boxes.
@@geesusway70 for sure it's pretty damn comfy
Why not all together? slick carrier with level 4, belt system, and a chest rig.
@@Carl_Burcham it sounds good in concept, but
1.) too bulky/ heavy
2.) are you really carrying that much? I can fit 48 hours of supplies in my LBE + daysack alone. If you need more get a bigger bag/bergan
3.) this won’t make much sense unless you’ve actually worn it in the field but having too many layers of straps sucks hard. Plate carrier plus LBE plus chest rig plus rifle sling plus daysack. You’re either gonna suffocate or wish you had from all the chaffing.
CONTENT IS FIRE THSE DAYS
@@reganabraham5136 thankss!!
Excellent video showing clear comparisons. Thank you!
I like your idea of an adjustable strap across the middle of the ruck. Quick tip on rucks: to quickly don, place the ruck at your feet, straps facing away from you, grab the sides of the frame and lift it above your head, release with your arms extended, it'll drop onto your back
will have to try
Me after 80 pounds attached to a metal frame catches the back of my skull: 🤯
@@autisticANDarmed lmfao i just read this
first 20 seconds gave me a whole ass flashback of the first ghost recon when you're selecting guys and their idle animation is holding up their weapon with one arm while looking around
Very good video!
Nice 70 series Land Cruiser!
Here's the question nobody is asking: Why not both? Like having a MOLLE vest to hold lighter equipment with the LBE
excellent video, nice LBE looks good and good for long patrols by foot of course. also awesome editing with the side by side.
thanks a lot dude!
I'm old, so my US Army-issued equipment was the OD, LBE.
That said, I was never a fan since it made too much noise in the woods (mostly jingly, stiff and bulky mag pouches).
I solved my problem(s) with a non-expensive ($25) M81, LBVE-88 which has comfortable shoulder straps, cloth pouches, and integrates pretty well with MOLLE.
With that set-up and a small assault pack, my problems were solved
I use a carrier without plates. Fits me snug and works with my belt setup. I train a lot from 🐎, very minimal bounce .
I think you can pair the two actually. Having a chestrig with the essential for shooting and the LBE for primary needs.
Maybe a micro rig. I think we've all seen that photo from the Son Tay raid where a dude has a chicom rig under his LBE. It seems LBE over a plate carrier with a 3 mag shingle is popular in Ukraine.
@@angryveteran8585this is what I do, running a dz rig with a slick plate carrier and a helikon tex TMR over it. Honestly you get the best of both worlds imo.
The Hans Zimmer MW2 soundtrack truly has no equal.
Good stuff, my dude. Thanks for the analysis!
@@toysoldier6093 thankss
The MW 2 music was amazing
@@benjaminphilips7506 cod4 actually
The easiest way to sum it up for me is that. LBE is good for field combat while Chest rig is good for urban set up.
Im still firmly on team LBE.
Not sure on the SMERSH rig, but on some LBE you can set the buttpack or rear pouches (Brit PLCE is deigned to be a shelf), to be used as a shelf to help support the pack.
The newer Crossfire DZ rig, has buckles to interface with their packs and connect them to the LBE negating the need for a waist belt. In theory you could do this with many packs if you can find a spot to mount buckles on the LBE.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 I am going to sound hypocritical because a smersh is not cheap but the DZ is soo expensive. It looks like a great option as well if you don't care
@@uncompliant Nah, I get it entirely. Building out my (mostly) Eagle LBE was not cheap either probably about the same in cost as the DZ when you add the pouches and aftermarket buttpack but it's configured exactly how I want it, and definitely holds more.
The DZ rig is just a PLCE with two buckles for a pack, why pay the premium when there are both surplus and used rigs floating around.
@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 How do you get the Eagle tight to your waist? I'm not a very big guy and have the straps as short as they can go, and it still rides loose.
@@EchoKilo-wi9ec Do you have the pads on the inside? Because those help alot.
Otherwise remove the rear panel, attach the sides together and put the harness through the 2" triglides on the side panels and molle your buttpack to the two straps.
You may wish to find a way to fix the pack to the harness and not just the "belt". I settled on a buttpack from SOE. It has two female swift clips on the top. Take some 1" strap, two male buckles, and 4 triglides, and rig it to the molle on the back of the harness.
BOTH, both is good!
@@pyeitme508 well yes, but actually...yes
Great video helped me a lot!
In the chest rig v belt kit debate another consideration is are you going to be using a rucksack. Depending on the design they sit lower eg a civilian ricksack or higher on the back. A higher sitting rucksack can rest on a belt kit and move weight distribution to the hips. A lower sitting rucksack with a larger padded belt can be used with a chest rig.
@@martynsouthgate1551 did you watch the video? It's literally the second point I hit
@@uncompliant what are some packs you think are ok to use with LBE? Not quite recommendations, but basically that.
Great overview thanks
@@Regularguy509 thank you watching
Good vid! Worth an algo comment
That music takes me back
There are better/faster ways to put a chest rig than that, even with armor. The LBE looks easier to put on, but when the straps get tangled up, and your dog tired from your days in the field then all of a sudden that 10sec task becomes a 5 min task. Really comes down to mission as you said. Long range patrols the LBE/webbing is king for obvious reasons and some not so obvious reasons. Raids, vehicle mounted operations, and direct action the chest rig is light years ahead of an LBE/webbing. i prefer chest rigs due to ergonomics. but the second i need to carry more than 3 liters of water on my person without a pack then i go running back to belt kits.
yes, well summarized
For me I personally don't need body armor so I like my alice lbe n Bandalier equipment I also use an M1941 combat pack with that military butt pack that Attaches to the Assault pack
Awesome Video!
I use both, and I have buckles on the ruck to attach the LBE to the ruck and have the top flap close over it. The LBE has heavier items than the ruck so the weight distribution is okay. Issue is it’s 80lbs so I gotta get stronger.
I think that if you do get engaged in a firefight, the ability to shed almost everything but your fighting and life saving equipment is a huge plus often overlooked by people. If I'm not wearing armor, I wanna be as mobile as humanly possible
what about the snacks
@uncompliant touche. I think having a small or medium gp pouch for snacks is alright for the system, but not as much permitted by an lbe. Just my $0.02. I respect the lbe system and it's usage in the past, I just think that the system is not the best as a fighting system
Enter the Rhodesian Recon Vest.
I took the straps of my old type 63 harness, and rigged them to clip onto the front buckles of my PC, plate carrier now acts as the shoulder straps and I don’t get the issues of the straps digging into my neck by wearing it over the PC.
Chest rig for assault
LBE for sustainment
Or use both to carry more ammo and/or sustainment and use an assault pack or a smaller ruck instead of a large ruck. I think blue jean operator did this for a mil-sim west game but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to check.
@@MtnMan68A4 that kinda dodges the point. Wearing both would be quite cumbersome
@uncompliant definitely, that's a lot of nylon straps over your shoulders. Just spitballing ideas
What slick plate carrier are you using in this video?
LBAV
@@uncompliant ill totally look into that one thanks
Agent Espo says thanks for the grenade launcher.
Does anybody know where I can find some LBEs in stock?
I run kits with both but favor my LBE.
I use a old alic lbe, have a modified pack that works with and without the lbe with just a clip in belt extender. Have a old type 56 chest rig for extra mags if need be. and can easily have body armor if I want. Also easy to ditch if I need to be mobile quickly, but can carry all of it for a long time without it killing my back with everything high with a chest rig.
i suggest a blackhawk belt pad to put inside the alice belt, will the rig much more comfortable, thanks for watching
@@uncompliant I made my own pad with some od green cuts from a old torn alice pack and some foam from a sleeping pad. Used this set up for about 16 years now lol.
Which LBE harness was that? Great vid btw
PKM SSO smersh
What slick carrier is that?
@@GleepActual lbav
I'm just using the LBE to hunt, but I can't find a good molle butt pack.
What plate carrier is that? It looks like the Crye LV-MBAV
Airsoft LV MBAV knockoff
You know if you have the right chest rig and if it isn't that big ,you can wear it with LBE, special forces guys in Vietnam wore type 56 chest rigs with Alice
I mean common guys,it's not that hard to make it work lol
i personally would not find that ideal
All the homies love lbe
Wich lbe you run
@@patrioticcowboy971 SSO smersh
Where did you get the chocolate chip shirt?
@@kingnevermore25 surp store
What chest rig is that on the right
mayflawer if i spelled right lol
@@uncompliant ok thank you,
That’s not how to properly don your ruck while wearing LBE. It goes over your head and slides down your back.
Jeep XJ gang
@@grits_taste_good415 it's a Toyota landcruiser
Love the shoes he’s wearing. Anyone know which shoes these are?
@@jbenn4379 just vans lol
Chest rig >>>>>
What kind of accent do you have?
clearly from Ethiopia