FULL REVIEW: World Drummers' "Smart Pads" Acoustic to Electronic conversion
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- UPDATE: Less than 12 hours after posting this video, World Drummers reached out to me and let me know that they are lowering the price of these pads to make them more affordable. The full kit has been reduced by over $150!
These new "Smart Pads" from www.worldrummers.com claim to instantly turn your acoustic drums into electronic drums. I take a deep look at these pads and explore some great uses for traditional and hybrid drummers.
0:00 Introduction
0:36 Video Overview
2:07 Previous products that were unsuccessful
4:30 How these pads are different
5:12 Are you a potential customer?
11:35 What are the pads like?
13:45 The Bass Drum pad
15:55 Technical specifications
16:32 Pad setup
16:50 Dialing in the pads
19:00 Hotspot Testing
20:06 Double strokes and rolls
21:11 Are they really that quiet?
22:00 Rim triggering
22:58 Product Shortfalls
30:13- What do I like?
33:05 You need to watch this part
35:24 Final thoughts and overall review
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Thanks for the review. For the bass drum look at Rtom black hole bass drum mute and the bh single zone trigger.
Although I am not in the marker for these I thought you did a great job with your review - keep up the good work. . .
Subscribed… Thanks for a great review…
Great review, thanks!
They seem like an Aquarian Superpad with a piezo and TRS connector mounted into it - although those fit inside the the rims instead of over them.
Nice job buddy. I really like these. So many possibilities! I would use them without the kick probably and just use a trigger in the kick and mute the hell out of it. Perfect set for my Pearl Rhythm Travveler.
Thinking out loud about the pedal - this probably instead should go a patent app 🤫😉 seems like the design should be to let the beater strike a pad in the position very near where the normal batter head resides and and horizontal distance change could be in a beater that accounts for any small horizontal distance in is design. The plate that you strike could then be supported by diagonal bracing on either side of the foot back down to the bottom plate where your heel rests. The distance on the floor back from the batter head is not as limited. The existing pedal could connect in the rear to the pad assembly thereby stabilizing it. The batter head would still be struck by the back of the pad but still would mute it like the other pads do. So looking at the side it would be triangular with the drummers foot on their existing pedal inserted into the center of the pad assembly.
Nfuzd WOOT! 😁 They were awesome but the inspire module was lack-luster, and the connectors were 2.5mm instead of 1/4" or even 3.5mm. The Aquarian ones with the separate on heads with the weird amplifier and all that stuff. lol (don't get me started you covered most of it anyway lol) THANK YOU for doing a review of this new take on slip-ons! Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
Great review, Brady! The old PD-8 rubber pads work the same way with the rim switches, it seems like the most reliable way to do it for this style of pad. Shame about the half rims on the toms though!
Thanks, Luke! I don’t know why I didn’t think about the construction until I was editing, but it is the way that makes the most sense, and if they get that sorted out, they’ll be pretty useful for a lot of applications. Thanks for watching!
Great review.. looks like u will be getting the lemon t 950 soon happy for you that u reached 1000 plus subs!! Congrats, and keep up the great work. I'm going to attempt to make a diy butt kicker, from a tactile transducer and a nobsound amp. Hoping it works, waiting on parts . Oh one question, are these pads serviceable by the user? Ei , can u change out the piezo if needed?
Thanks again have a great day
Thanks for watching! I'm actually working on a Buttkicker video right now, and having a great time. You'll see at the end of the video when i remove the rim, you could change the switch pickup if needed, though getting the rim back on was a bit of a pain. To access the head pickup, you'd need to remove the rim, then remove the pad from the underside, which i think is glued down, so i'm not sure that's a great idea unless absolutely necessary.
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Made my DIY butt kicker I used a Dayton TT 25 puck and a nobsound amp,in combination with a powered sub spent probably 50 bucks (ish) total for the transducer and amp,works pretty decent, can't feel it at lower volumes tho, i may buy a bigger transducer, but I just play for fun , so it definitely feels better.
Edit .. been messing with it for about an hour or so now, got it where I like it now ,it depends on which kit my mod is on (I should have thought of that earlier) but I like it for sure.
Thanks for this review, really well done! You did not mention RTOM black hole with triggers as alternative products to this solution. Is there a specific reason why ? I am definitely looking for these kind of products and did not find reviews for these ones.
Thanks for watching, and great question. I didn't include the Black Holes partly because I really don't know enough about them and didn't want to give misleading information. At the same time, I think they have some features that might lead them toward similar pitfalls as the Onheads or Nfuzd products. First, they don't really claim silent practice, but are reduced volume, and I worry that they still might resonate drums enough to bother neighbors (but I very well could be wrong). The other issue is that they do not have internal triggers, so you have to purchase an additional product that only works with their pads, and those triggers are single zone. I'll keep an eye out online and if I can get ahold of some used black holes, I'll try them out and give a review. If you do decide to get them, please message or comment and let me know what you think!
Thanks, I just bought one for a floor tom to try out before going for the full set. You are right triggers specific and one zone so I would only use for toms and kick but not for the snare. It is muting quite well, you get some resonance but I don’t need to mute at home so not my main concern, I’m more thinking of the usage you describe in your video (alternate acoustic / electronic during a set)
@@myfavoritedrumgearthe Black Holes are meant to reduce the volume, but retain the tone. They work well with low volume cymbals if you still want to hear a semblance of the kit's sound.
woohoo! been waiting for this!
thanks for doing a thorough review - i appreciate how seriously you take reviewing a product
some thoughts:
1 - does the snare have a firmer/tighter feel than the toms? do the tom pads have that tom-esque "give"? or do they just feel like a standard practice pad...
2 - for me - i think the main appeal of this product is that i'd like to have both an acoustic kit and an electric kit, but i only have room to set up 1. this would allow me to have both with the setup space of 1. also, i think most electric kits look kinda toy-ish, so this product stands out in that it still looks like you're playing your acoustic kit
3 - maybe pairing these with the edrumin usb midi product is worth a mention for drummers that want to trigger software samples?
4 - i play at church and we have an older, cheaper kit that doesn't always sound great (if i don't keep up on tuning and replacing heads). i wonder if i could put these on top of the drums and keep the acoustic cymbals? would the tap tap tap of the pads cut through the overheads on the cymbals? i might try it if i decide to buy these...
5 - maybe it's worth mentioning the mesh head bass drum trigger that world drummers offers? it's not quite the same concept, but maybe close enough for some to consider: worldrummers.com/product/bass-drum-20-inch-mesh-head-with-built-in-trigger-copy/
thanks again for doing what you do!
Thanks for watching! The toms and the snare have identical feel- they all feel like playing on rubberized practice pads. These absolutely look like you're playing acoustic drums from the audience standpoint, unless someone is looking really closely. The nice thing about these pads, as opposed to something like the Nfuzd pads is that you can plug them into anything you'd like, and so they would work through a usb or MIDI interface and could be used with any software folks wanted-- good point! As far as your church setup- I think it depends on the quality and volume of the mic set up you're running for overheads. You might try putting a practice pad on one of your drums and letting whoever handles your sound play around and see if the practice pad comes through the mix before buying these. If you do try that, please reply and let me know what you learn. I think the mesh head triggers are a good option for the bass drum issues but, of course they make the whole set up take longer and are more permanent.
Great review. How did they trigger with your EAD10? Too hot for Yamaha like most Roland style piezo pads? Thank you
Thanks for watching! I very very briefly plugged them into my EAD10 and they weren't maxing out the signal immediately like the Roland RT's seem to, but I wasn't able to get the snare to trigger head and rim. That could be my fault, though, as I've never taken the time to really understand the language Yamaha uses in their module settings.
great review..think you covered all the pros_ cons.. the bass drum pedal is a bit clunky and the distance issue isnt ideal...id prob just use as a 4piece...having to buy cymbal pads too pushes the price up....its a good idea just needs tweeking i think......thanks for some reason i was thinking of the Rtom mesh pads..im sure they could add a trigger to their product pretty easily.
Thanks for watching! the Rtoms do have a trigger than can be added, but the trigger only attaches to the Rtoms (not other drum heads or rims), and it's single zone. I will say that the folks at world drummers lowered the price of these pads by over $100 as a result of this video, so they are more affordable now.
what was the washer you put under the alesis DM pad in the intro part of the video, I'm trying to use a 14" 3 zone as a hi hat, with my goE Drum hhat controller, but it's smacking the plastic where the plugs go in, and when it gets past that it tilts crooked.
If you watch my lemon hi hat fix video (ua-cam.com/video/nAhxBb_OEcI/v-deo.htmlsi=hriatvF5hIcqHnnA), I’ll walk you through what I did. It’s the bottom plate of a (I think) Yamaha hi-hat stand.
Affordable alternatives to Yamaha TCS pads? Do you have a Yamaha module to try these with? Curious whether the rim triggers correspond to rimshot / head / crossstick the way their XP pads do. Roland and Alesis get all the 3rd-party attention, but I'd love to know how these smart pads perform within the Yamaha ecosystem, on a DTXPro module.
I do not have a yamaha module other than the EAD10. I very briefly tested the pads on the EAD10 and they triggered, though I couldn't get the signal split to head and rim, but that could be user error. I'll keep an eye out for a used yamaha module in the hopes that I can test future gear. Thanks for watching!
@@myfavoritedrumgear Thanks! The reason I brought up the cheap alternative, is even if you dont have an acoustic kit that you want to deaden, these pads have utility as just extra pads to an electronic kit. Or replacements for black rubber toms with something close to a Yamaha XP80. I'd like to see all sizes in white, not just the snare. And of course - you need to mount them to a rack somehow.
One issue with the product, generally its a QUERY.. As the main thing about this is it will fit perfectly as per size of the shell. But as I can see it covers the rim part. Now while playing live as you explained, we can just fit it in. But isn't it gonna cause fitting issue when the microphone is clamped to the rims of the drumset? Especially for toms as dicussed in the shortfalls, for angled tom with a microphone attached to the rim, then the pad would probably fall off right ?
Nothing against you and the product. Loved the way you explained everything about the product in detail.
Thanks for watching! There is actually about 1/4” to 1/2” between the rim and the bottom of the pads. I just checked and I was able to clip a mic to each rim without interfering with the pads. That said, you’d want to make sure the mics are clamps on the rims in a place that’s going to stay out of the way of pads as they react to gravity. Also, if the mic is 1.5” or closer to the drum head, you’d need to adjust it.
@@myfavoritedrumgear Ohh cool, understood, that resolves my query.
Thank you 😇♥️
Maybe you could adjust the angle of the actual pedal to give more throw on the pedal.
That’s a good point. It would take away from the “instant” transition, but it would make the feel a little more comfortable. If I were limited by space, I might invest in a second pedal to leave the bent beater attached and adjust the cams for the best playability. Thanks for watching!
What is the warranty for these products? How is the build quality? Have you used thier products before do they last long?
I'm not sure about the warranty. I have been using a few of their cymbals for a while now and have had no issues.
I had reached out to them and they said 1 year.
@@myfavoritedrumgearhow is the feel of the pads?
fellow drummer, yo
Can the rims be programmable?
Yes-the pads are 2 zone, so if your module supports programmable heads and rims (and most do), you can program the rims to any sound you'd like independent of the heads.
Seems nice, but adding a whole 1 or 2 kg weight to my toms, I don't know. It will overstress the YESS mounts of my Yamahas.
Other than great review and info, I only have one more thing to say, 'Delia's Gone'!!!
Ead10 is the best.
Someone beat you to the Lemon full set review!
I saw Justin's review on 65 Drums. I'd still like to get ahold of them and take a deep dive into the hardware and provide a detailed walkthrough of the module. Thanks for watching.
Looks like an EAD10 module
Why have larger pads when they are triggering devices.
The benefit is in the larger pads muting the existing acoustic drum sounds. just adding triggers to drums wouldn't make for a quieter practice space. Thanks for watching.
Brother i love your content i'm one of your early subs, but as much I wanted to watch this, i had to keep skipping, this video is toooooo long for this products.
I appreciate your input. There was a lot to unpack with this product and since there wasn't another review out there, I probably over-explained. Thanks for being a subscriber!
too much talk.
Not sure what module you have. Sounds like crap.
Thanks for watching. As I mentioned in the video, most of the samples are using a Roland TD-8 module. The double strokes and rolls used a TD-17, and the timpani and cymbal sounds at the end of the video are from a TD-50.
The TD-8 sounds are pretty good, even against current modules. This video sounds like he is capturing the sound of hitting the drums and the output from the module, so it sounds different in the video.
Learn to play at p.