MASTER your cymbal stands!
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2024
- There are a lot of parts and pieces to a modern cymbal stand - learn what they do, how to use them, and how to avoid common problems with your cymbal stand setup. Keep your tilters aligned, fit your cymbals into tight setups, and open up your playing techniques and a wide variety of sound.
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As someone who has a bit of OCD over every inch of his drum and cymbal setup, I can't believe someone made a video on cymbal stands - well done and clearly explained!
Thank you! Most of this content is inspired by my students - issues I've seen time after time with young and/or inexperienced players. Hopefully it helps a few people!
Both of you are correct. And what is correct is sacred.😊
#ocd💥🥁👍
I thought all drummers are ocd🤷🏻♂️😂🥁…. I certainly am
Guilty as charged! I use color coded tape to mark extensions and Sharpies to mark boom and tilter angles (on stands that don’t have memory locks) - my excuse is I have a very large set and remembering them all just isn’t practical (but I’m still at least a bit OCD)!
GREAT VIDEO! Another tip to help with using a cymbal stand is to make sure that all of the screws to use for adjustments are facing YOU, the drummer, and not on the opposite side of you, where you have to reach AROUND the cymbal stand to make any adjustments. Make sure that all (or as many as possible) of the screws are right there where you can easily reach them and adjust them.
Ah! Another thing I wish I'd thought of. Good call! Thank you!
@@CommonSenseMusician It's all good. You can always do a Part 2!
There are so many good ideas in these comments, part 2 is definitely going to be a thing.
@@CommonSenseMusician Definitely!
@@CommonSenseMusician Then I got another tip for loosen tight hardware. I got two techniques:
Tight: hold the wing with you weak hand (as if you're gonna turn it), then with your thumb of your stronger hand press on your other thumb.
Very tight: use a leverage with your sticks.
In both scenarios also don't forget to have control in this motion and hold the stand, otherwise your skin can trapped between it and that hurts.
Well done. As they say, 'common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden!'. I've seen all these issues watching other band's drummers. Good detailed explanations, thank you.
Very kind of you to say! Thank you!
It reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons when Homer and Marge lose custody of the kids and have to attend night school. "For god's sake, put your garbage in a garbage can" and all that. It's amazing how uncommon common sense can be.
@@jc3drums916 This is the first Simpsons reference on my UA-cam channel. I applaud you!
No one says that
@@jc3drums916 "Kids, we're good parents now! GET YOUR ASSES OUT HERE!"
This is the video i really need. They dont make a lot of videos about the simplest things. Great job!
Thank you! I've got a bunch more in the works that hopefully will help, too. Thanks for stopping by!
You did mention over tightening but I don't think people relate that to the wingnut holding the cymbal in place. Having it too tight makes the cymbal prone to cracks and too loose is not as easily playable.
Great point. I will definitely be making a part 2 at some point, and I'll be including this. Thank you for stopping by!
@@CommonSenseMusician another one is over extending the boom. Not using cymbal sleeves. Not loosening wing nuts before adjusting causing it to be stripped.
This is the one I see with my students the most: not loosening the wing nuts before adjusting. It drives me crazy. Definitely needs to be mentioned in part 2 of this video! Thanks agian.@@Destinydividedband
I 've been using Yamaha hardware With my Yamaha drums for 30 years....And I have back-ups,but these stands last forever.I have 3 generations of hardware.
Seriously. If you treat it well, Yamaha is nearly bulletproof. The stand in my video is over 20 years old. Thanks for stopping by!
Great video! So many things I have taken for granted over the past 42 years of playing that every drummer should know.
Thank you! I'm glad you stopped by!
I just found your videos a few days ago and find them to be very useful and informative. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
I'm glad they're helping! Thank you!
Very well done- I agreed with every single point you made.
Thank you!
Great points! I've never needed a boom, but I learned the hard way when I was a beginner, to not allow my cymbal stand legs become trip hazards for the other musicians when playing on a small bandstand.
That is a great lesson, indeed! Thanks for stopping by!
I'm not a beginner but I like your explanations. Good content 👍
Thank you!
Really good explainer, thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for stopping by!
Very good job, dude, everything you need to know in handling the stands correctly put into a professional presentation! And I love the last scene :-).
Thanks so much! Yeah, that last scene was not intentional, but I laughed HARD so I decided to include it. Thanks for stopping by.
@@CommonSenseMusician ... here is my wish list of topics you might wanna talk about:
1. Drumchairs
2. Snarestands
3. Racksystems
4. Mounting of percussion instruments such as cowbells
5. Drumcases
All the best, I am very interested in your thoughts about this stuff.
@@timdrummer Videos coming up - a couple of those were already on my list. Thank you again!
Just a quick note on the newer Yamaha 700 series cymbal booms: They ditched the "elbow" on the tilter a handful of years ago and now it extends straight out from the joint. The boom arm clamp mechanism is a little different, too, but operates essentially the same.
All in all, I really like the Yamaha 700 series hardware and its interoperability. I use their 3-hole adapter and boom arms frequently to reduce stand footprint. Your comments about paying attention to feet placement and the balance of the stand really comes into play there.
I really appreciate your video! I think it goes over things that a lot of new drummers may not think about and it make a lot of sense. Well done.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment and kind words. I do have a couple of the newer 700 series stands with the straight tilter. I like them a lot (I'm generally a fan of Yamaha hardware, anyway!). They seem to have found the right balance between features and simplicity. Thank you for stopping by!
Excellent basic information! New sub here! I can see your channel growing fast with this much needed information!! Keep on Drumming!
Thank you!
One thing I've found with other brands: if you aren't using the boom and it's nested in the stand, sometimes you can get weird rattling. I will often extend the boom out first in attempting to adjust the height, which will prevent the rattle. Not all stands have this issue.
That's a fair point. I hate the random rattles and buzzes from drum gear.
Seems like keeping everything tightened would clear this up
What a great video man 👌🏻
Thank you!
it's really comforting to know i don't (and really never have) done any of these in my entire drumming career! :D this should be required watching. the amount of cymbal stands, thrones, and *shudders* speaker stands i've seen in palm tree mode makes me weep, haha
Seriously! This video was inspired by exactly what you’re talking about. I see these problems all the time. Thanks for stopping by!
What is a palm tree mode? :)
That refers to having the legs out all the way.
Would have been good to mention as well that overtightening the wing nut contributes to cymbal cracking, too.
When the nut is too tight it limits the cymbals from vibrating freely, and that is a very important detail to know because overtightening the wing nut prevents the cymbal from releasing the buildup of kinetic energy from the impacts it receives. Especially when the cymbal is repeatedly struck during a section of a song without a pause, the metal does not get a chance to let go of so many vibrations and (MOST IMPORTANTLY) when the cymbals are not allowed to freely flex and vibrate they are more prone to cracking. Similar to what happens when a balloon is overinflated. Vibration, pressure and temperature are the three forces that damage materials. That is why earthquake resistant high rise buildings are designed to flex and release vibrations, not absorb them. That's also why I like that plastic locking nut because you can't overtighten it which makes them more cymbal friendly as well. It also helps to alternate strokes between two cymbals, it gives cymbals time to "breathe".
This is an excellent point. I’ll definitely include this information in a future video. Thank you!
@@CommonSenseMusician You are welcome. I really enjoyed this video you made, short and straight to the point(s). I am actually a newbie drummer and I've been playing drums for just two years. So don't really have a lot of drumming experience. Recently I decided to get a set of budget brass cymbals, (Paiste pst3's) but knowing brass tends to crack more easily than bronze, I am now going through the web trying to absorb all the know-how about what to do to make the cymbals last as long as possible. And this search included the non-drum related content such as papers on material science and vibration. It was a lot of ground to cover so I hope it pays off. This was one of the conclusions I extrapolated by connecting the different dots I accidentally discovered when the search got me to a point where I somehow ended up checking out architecture summaries on combating the wind and earthquakes effect on long bridges and tall skyscrapers.
I learned that it's not just about how you strike the cymbal to prevent it from cracking, it's equally about proper dissipation of vibrational forces. Sorry for making this reply longer than I wanted. I'll stop now. 🙂 Cheers
Definitely worth mentioning, maybe in a part 2 of this video. Thanks again!
that K custom fast crash is one awesome cymbal
Absolutely. It might be my favorite crash that I’ve ever owned. Thanks for stopping by!
@@CommonSenseMusician I have one that’s been on my kit since they first came out.
The old stuff is sometimes the best stuff!
Excellent explanation
Thank you!
Really great video. Subscribed.
Thank you!
This is a good video. New drummers, their family and aspiring drum techs can cut their learning curve down with this.
I have not had problems with the Tama clip ons yet. I like those. Some drummersay not.
Thank you! I'm hoping to fill in as many knowledge gaps as I can. Thanks for stopping by.
I once had someone offer to help me tear down. I said "nah, I'm good" and she said "I know what I'm doing, my dad is a drummer". So I said "Okay then, go ahead and collapse these stands". She then proceeded to fold in all of the tilters as well as collapse the stands. Did her dad need an extra 2 fucking inches, or what? Jesus.
Seriously! It always bugs me when people fold the tilters in all the way. Waste of time, in my opinion. Thanks for stopping by!
Maybe to protect the male threads from being damaged in transport, or from punching a hole through the fabric if kept in a bag.
Yeah, that’s a good thought. If it’s already a tight fit, that would definitely be something to look out for.
If your a hard hitter and playing professionally do not use those tama wing nut things…trust me use a regular wingnut..those tama things will pop off..take the extra 60 seconds and use a wingnut
Absolutely! I'm not a terribly hard hitter, but I've seen them fly off before. Thanks for stopping by!
I’m a no wing nut guy but when I have to use one I always use one of them
@@lukeparsons4965 I've tried to play with no wing nut or top felt, and it honestly feels and sounds great (I mostly play jazz), but I can't get over the visual. Maybe I like the security of knowing the cymbal isn't going anywhere? I'll have to give it another try.
They work perfectly with Tama Cymbal Stands. Trust me, they are awesome. I play them while practicing and live gigs. Never had a problem at all.
I have all Yamaha cymbal stands, and I've never had a problem, either. Also, the Tama locks don't rattle, but the Yamaha wing nuts do. @@dirksommerfeld559
Fully agreed on all points. Personally I prefer a slightly broader base on my cymbal stand legs - perhaps 35-40 degrees from the floor rather than 45 - for the extra stability, but that’s about all.
Seems reasonable to me. Thanks for stopping by!
Useful
Thank you!
As a grip and lighting guy in the movie industry and a drummer, we use a lot of c-stands and combo stands to diffuse and cut the lights. It's amazing what you can do with a stand and how creative you can get with it.
Nice! Let me know when you make a video with your tips and hacks! Thanks for stopping by!
G&E crew prefer to keep the boom and C-stand arms as vertical as possible so that nothing gets snagged on them, right? I think I remember my instructor saying that in film school. Seems applicable to cymbals booms.
@@aidan6083 and always make sure there's a leg under the weight.
@commonsensemusician I always used the plastic cymbal seat middle piece to also cover the center threads so the center cymbal hole doesn’t get warped. Am I doing this wrong? Does it matter if the stand threads are exposed to the cymbal? Thanks!
If I understand you correctly, you’re exactly right. The cymbal shouldn’t be in direct contact with the threads on the center post. That can definitely damage the hole. Good call!
You should tighten the screws on your VGA cables for your monitors, or ideally replace those monitors with something that uses a digital connector like HDMI or Display Port.
6:00 screen turns blue due to a loose cable.
Nice catch! Yeah, I’ve been trying to troubleshoot that for a while. I think it might actually be a loose connection inside the actual docking station I’m using. I’ll keep working on it. Thanks for stopping by!
@@CommonSenseMusician No prob lol. I figured there was no way you hadn't been running into the problem, but figured i'd say something anyway. Good luck on fixing it ^_^
Thanks!
I have just one (tongue in cheek) question. In what possible circumstance do we see/hear of people 'catching' their sleeves or pockets on the (blunt) end of the boom given it faces away from the drummer? Stage invaders? Lead singers mounting the bass drum?
Ha! Fair question. I’m a high school band teacher. Those babies reach out and grab kids on the regular. Thanks for stopping by!
I just ordered my first drum set Ludwig accent 5 piece and some practice cymbals (low volume Arborea branded pack) off amazon I purchased 2 cheap boom stands to accommodate the extra crashes and ride. I appreciate the information here and will definitely keep them in mind especially regarding the boom extension arm following the same direction as one of the feet. Also I don't think you're ocd about the height extension rods recommending not to not fully extend them similar to a like a shower curtain rod isn't very strong holding if its near max extension verses one that is only half extended.
Did well articulating the issues and pretty sure even though I'm getting cheapos from amazon I will be able to apply some of the principles covered here. Added a sub for ye.
Many thanks. I'm glad to be of help! Good luck on your drumming journey. You won't regret it!
@@CommonSenseMusician I had an early delivery of the kit yesterday so that sped up the project I was going to have today in clearing out the basement of the clutter and reorganize it all. I stayed up all night but at 5 in the morning I'll only say wow what a difference a set of drums has made in transforming a rough basement's appeal. I only hope my neighbors can't hear it 😆
@@lunarvvolf9606 Yeah! Glad to hear it! You'll be okay with the neighbors, just let 'em know what you're up to.
@@CommonSenseMusician I live on the outskirts of a rural village my closest neighbor is across the street and 2 vacant lots. I own one of those between myself and my second nearest neighbor. Even so I am using tape and paper towel to dampen the sound and the base is stuffed with 2 new pillows. I've got low volume cymbals coming still as well having planned ahead I got this twin set of boom stands delivered today for $89 bucks and found both to have a jarring problem. The wing nut for the elbow and clamp for the boom arm was grinding its wings against the housing of the elbow due to a recessed cavity it made it excessively hard to turn and gets into a bind before the clamp can grip the boom arm. My solution was toto add two 1/4" washers to fill the recessed socket in the elbow this brought the wingnut out of that cavity entirely and now can tighten the boom smoothly without the fuss and fight with a wingnut binding up. I just finished writing a review on Amazon complete with pictures of my washer solution for it. I hope it will prove helpful for anyone else considering this particular "Awagas" branded double braced boom stand.
Nice problem solving! Sounds like a great way to fix that particular issue. Happy drumming!@@lunarvvolf9606
1:44 yes, but think about this: on the boom you have a Memory lock, but for the Position of the tilter you dont have any lock, so when you always turn the tilter to its end you dont have to think about the right Position of the tilt or have to Mark it otherwise, especially when you build up your kit again and again 😉😉👍
Fair point. At the end of the day, do what works for you! Thanks for stopping by!
I got rid of top felts altogether and just use lock nuts on top with plenty of room. That way the cymbal can do what it wants and it eliminates the possibility of a crack at the cymbal hole. I see some reputable professional drummers that crank their wing nuts and their cymbals are so stiff but I guess when you’re endorsed you don’t care as much
Indeed! I think I'd still care about my cymbals even if they were free/cheap, though. Thanks for stopping by!
For the drummers out there that don’t have the money for new cymbals all the time you should be angling your cymbals down a little and they will last for many more years when there flat like he showed they crack faster if you tilt them down a little past your comfort zone they last a lot longer trust me on that one
This is an excellent point, and I’ll definitely mention it in a future video. Thanks for the comment!
As someone who isnt a drummer, i feel like ill sound less stupid when talking to drummers
This is my number one goal. Thank you!
Oooh yeah...ocd lovers, this ones for u. Grt vid man. Thanks.
Thanks!
The part you called the stand is called the down tube.
Ah! Thank you!
Another suggestion, although slightly tedious - make sure to relubricate any wingnut or screw on your stands. Makes life way easier. Trust. 3-in-1 is okay but messy, ‘Blaster Dry Lube’ is less messy. Good luck!
Good call! I'll have to check those out. Thanks!
Excellent video on a subject that may seem trivial to a number of drummers but makes a lot of common sense. I’m definitely with you when it comes to using a boom stand in a straight position when it isn’t necessary to use the boom as I think it looks so much neater and less cluttered when the boom isn’t extended. Also I get your point about drummers just extending the boom just a couple of inches beyond the centre shaft of the cymbal stand, absolutely no point in this but I’ve also seen some (not many but an odd one or two) extend the boom to almost it’s full length which to me looks very unstable and unattractive in the overall look of a drum kit! Really enjoyed your video so have subscribed to your channel and will be looking through your other videos. Have you covered the subject of tom tom mounting? For example mounting off a holder against that off a snare stand?
Great points. Tom mounting is on my list of videos to make - thanks for the suggestion!
another thing about cranking the wing nut
it can cause unnecessary stress on the cymbal and crack it.
Yeah! I hadn't thought of that, but it's totally true. Thank you!
This is soooo OCD... and I can so relate to it. 😂
You're not wrong! Thanks for stopping by!
Awesome video thank you
Thank you!
Great video! One comment on your last point: when the wing nuts aren’t tightened down all the way, they can rattle. My solution is to cut the top cymbal felt in half, so I can tighten the wing nut all the way down to the black cymbal sleeve - the half-felt still leaves plenty of room for the cymbal to move around. This is of course not an issue if you have those locking wing nuts. Cheers!
That is a great point. And the Yamaha stands seem to rattle the worst. That's a great solution - I'll have to give it a try! In lower volume settings, sometimes I'll just take off the nut and the top felt.
I’m not at all a heavy hitter, but as a rule I use the wing nuts on any cymbals 16” or under. I’m usually switching out my larger crashes or rides so much that I don’t bother with the wing nuts. Just subscribed - I’m excited to see what else you have to say!
@@craigwilliams501 Thank you!
Thanks for the sub! More videos coming up soon!
I've never seen a cymbal STAND !! 😂
Ha!
I hate how the Yamaha stand's seat/sleeve screw on. There's no reason for it. Just have one that drops in place, and there's no way it will gradually ride up. Personally, I like my old stands that have a metal seat with no attached sleeve. I just use a small piece of vinyl tubing as my sleeve, which I like because it's softer than hard plastic, so it has a bit of give if the cymbal is really coming up against it. It's also narrower in diameter than a lot of hard plastic sleeves I encounter, so it can fit vintage cymbals with smaller mounting holes. The only issue is that, after many years, the vinyl will dry up and eventually fall apart, so be sure to check up on them after 10-15 years or so, lol.
I had students who always positionted the tilter backwards and didn't spread the tripod enough too. Drove me nuts.
I 100% agree. The threading is massive overkill, and it causes them to break more than they should, especially in the hands of a student. Sounds like you have a great solution. Thanks for stopping by!
In the example with the base flattened (5:30), that's going to make the stand weak. The point of the design is to have the base triangulated. 45 degrees is ideal but you can adjust a bit on either side of that. On the example at 1:49, that'd mean the boom arm is aimed at the drummer. I'm a bit amazed anyone would actually do that.
Right! I work with students in high schools, and these are things I see all the time. It's just a lack of awareness, I think.
It's much more stable with the legs flatter, the footprint is bigger. My ride would tip over with the legs at 45°
Out of curiosity, how big is your ride cymbal?@@elroundo
@CommonSenseMusician I've got loads I'm a cymbal nut lol
But even a 20" with the boom out, so it's in between my toms, would tip the way you're suggesting. I agree with everything else you've said tbh, just not the legs at 45°
@@elroundo Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, a 20 out on the boom would definitely need wider legs. Good call!
I go nutless with my e kit, cymbals move more naturally, im not a hard hitter, so the cymbal never come off
I love to hear it. Thanks for stopping by!
I thought that all of these tips were pretty much common sense anyway
I thinks so, too. But it's amazing how many people need a little clarification. Thanks for stopping by!
Why get a boom stand if you don’t use the boom? Some players require the positioning. Playing your cymbal flat is a recipe for damage.
I completely agree. Cymbal angle is one of the biggest problems I see with young / inexperienced drummers. Thanks for stopping by!
Why get one? Drummer of over 34 years performing experience here: Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
That is well said. Completely agree.
You forgot when people put cymbals and don’t tight them down
Looks like I need to make a part 2. Thanks for stopping by!
OK, HOLUP! I'm like 1:22 in and my mind is blown lol. I've been playing since '92 or so, Always hgad boom stands and NEVER knew you could nest the boom in the stand!
This made my day. Happy to have given you something you didn't know! Thanks for stopping by.
At 5:11 steht wie eine schwangere Ziege😅
Bestimmt!
A video for percussionists that have no understanding of geometry, or engineering.
Yes. You're exactly right. Thanks for stopping by!
Dam, some kids be stupiddddddd!
I mean, you're not wrong.
cant believe you'd even have to explain any of those....whats going on woth the world
I see every single one of these almost daily, unfortunately.
@@CommonSenseMusicianman...that's concerning. most of it is just common sense. than again, we're talking about drummers here lol
Ha! True.
so glad i had he common sense to not do any of this
Ha! Absolutely. Thanks for stopping by.
I don’t correct other drummers when I see these things. Drum hardware isn’t rocket science. If a drummer can’t figure this out, I let them continue to look like a dumbass.
If it’s a student and it’s the instructor or schools gear that’s a different story. Not to mention the point of school is to impart knowledge.
You nailed it. I've been a high school band director for many years, and a lot of my videos are inspired by the things I see students do repeatedly - not only my own students, but at almost every school I visit. If you're an experienced pro, you do you. Not my place to tell you how to handle your hardware! Thanks for stopping by.
Dude, where is your mic located. Your volume is too low. Being a musician you can do better! Good information, just hard to hear. You must not play your drums loud! Yeah, I'm a drummer and my hearing's shot!
Fair point! This particular video was shot just on my iPhone, so the sound is kind of garbage. The later videos are better, and hopefully my next ones will be even better than that. Thanks for stopping by!
I have my Bluetooth speaker volume at 80% and the youtube volume slider bar at 40%. Your hearing must be really bad! Telling him to do better, When you could have protected your hearing and done better is idiotic.
To the OP - GOOD in-ear monitors are your friend (as long as you run them at reasonable levels). Between playing drums since I was ten (upper 50’s now) and being a pilot (light training aircraft are LOUD), I know I’ve raised my baseline. You don’t have to spend this much, but I dropped over a grand on a set of professional in-ears (Weston’s EAS-30s, which allow some ambient sound in). Absolutely one of the best investments I’ve made musically - I just wish they’d had them 40-some years ago. Once you’re hearing is shot, it’s not coming back, and if it’s damaged, even more reason to save what you have.
CommonSenseMusician - I hope this is something that’s taught now, as it really wasn’t much of a consideration when I came up. I undoubtedly saved much of my hearing by often (but not always) using simple foam earplugs when playing in louder settings. Thanks for listening (pardon the pun)!
This is such good advice. I need to make a video about protecting your hearing as a musician, and as just a person in the modern world. Thank you for your thoughtful comment!