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Gargoyles The Goliath Chronicles (Season 3) | Review / Retrospective - Bull Session
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Gargoyles Season 3 The Goliath Chronicles Review Retrospective thoughts and analysis by Bull Session
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Gargoyles original air date from October 24, 1994 - February 15, 1997
Starring Keith David as Goliath, Marina Sirtis as Demona, Jonathan Frakes as Xanatos, Salli Richardson as Elisa Maza, Jeff Bennett as Brooklyn, Ed Asner as Hudson, Thom Adcox-Hernandez as Lexington, Bill Fagerbakke as Broadway, Brigette Bako as Angela Frank Welker as Bronx, Nichelle Nichols, Michael Dorn, Kate Mulgrew, LeVar Burton, Colm Meaney, Avery Brooks, David Warner, Clancy Brown, and John Rhys-Davies as Macbeth
Created by Greg Weisman
Written by Michael Reaves, Lydia Marano, Brynne Chandler Reaves, Cary Bates, Gary Sperling, Eric Luke
Produced by Frank Paur, Greg Weisman, Dennis Woodyard
Produced by Walt Disney Television Animation, Tama Prouctions, Jade Animation
Distributed by Buena Vista Television, ABC
Related works include: Batman The Animated Series, X-Men Animated Series, Spider-Man The Animated Series, ReBoot, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Aladdin, The Lion King,
This video is a Bull Session production. Contents are used appropriately in accordance with fair use laws.
#Gargoyles #Disney #90s
Best season of Gargoyles. Don't @ me.
VASTLY INFERIOR TO ITS EXCELLENT SECOND SEASON. ALSO OBLIGATORY DISNEY BASHING AND THIRD SEASON SHAMING. That aside a new comic series or animated would be nice.
Yes best season
I'm not saying to email me or anything like that, but in a way, yes, I am saying that.
#iseewhatyoudidthere
To each his own. I hate it and am happy to blissfully ignore it.
boi you better be trollin
You missed one of Macbeth's best quotes:
"THEY USED TO BURN WITCHES LIKE YOU IN THE MIDDLE AGES!"
Yeah that was his best quote XD
Time for me to make stickers or clothing with that quote and Macbeth's face!
I've literally been giggling to myself for a week or more about that quote.
Good eye mate, it's a hilarious moment. Gonna go make a gif to send to my friends of that scene for when we disagree on something lol.
But actually mostly in the 17th century
He wanted to say B instead of W, but remebered that it's Goliath Chronickles.
Anyone else want an Arkham style Gargoyles game?
Me! I do!
Well i do now!
i can only imagine. just like runing into the mad hater you run into puck and he sends you back into a midsummer nights dream!
Not going to lie, I would love to play that!
Fuck yes!!
Anybody else notice how when Goliath turns human in this season he's a pasty looking white guy, when in season two it shows that his human form would be a tanned Conan the Barbarian type?
Just saying that I like the Conan version of Goliath. And it makes me wonder what ABC was tryin to do, but in all honesty they were just probably not well versed in the earlier episodes/didn't do their homework.
I miss the Scottish Conan look. 😍
I’m going to hope that they just forgot there was already a human Goliath where he was a tanned Barbarian. Though I definitely agree that tanned barbarian human Goliath is way better looking for design.
Took his mullet away
I think they did that to show Goliath living in a modern day life instead of if he lived as a human during his time. But it is strange that he was white instead of having a similar skin tone to the one shown in the mirror episode. I feel like having the barbarian skin tone for the season 3 episode wouldn’t have fit well since he would still look barbarian just with a suit on but still it’s kinda strange that he wasn’t a similar skin tone
I noticed
7:05 *"Goliath Finally Snaps"*
Yep
I heard that and was laughing so hard my eyes were watering!
It's worth noting the leader of the Quarrymen was intended to be the blonde brother from Hunter's Moon by the original team. That got paid off in the SLG comics, the illumanati turned out to be behind them, but were also funding the opposite side. The Goliath chronicles writers worked on X-Men, so they just reused ideas from that. They just made the Quarrymen the "Friends of Humanity" from that series.
clockstomper Yep. Jon Canmore was Castaway in disguise. For some reason, that was never included in the script.
@@MrCUTigerB Probably because since Weisman and them were cut, the new show runners had no idea that was the case. Hell if they even saw Hunter's Moon I'd be surprised.
Lazy fucks. I never liked the "everyone fears the heroes" trope.
Correction, even in TGC it got paid off in the last episode when Goliath calls him out for destroying lives due to an ancient hatred
I noticed that.
I think the absurdly talented voice actors are the reason even season three of Gargoyles is worth watching. Another great video, man.
Tim J Credit them for bringing most if not all of the original cast back. They do a nice job.
Couldn’t agree more!
Agreed! Even when the dialogue is weak, or when characters act out-of-character, the superb voice-acting helps to provide some cover and cushion for that.
Which is why if this series ever came back they really should consider animation again with as much of the original cast as possible. Most of which have expressed interest in coming back. This doesn't need a live action or anything else it would take away the magic of the story.
Unless Greg Weisman is involved, I do not want Gargoyles to return. I am content with the S2 finale as the series finale. It felt like a true ending.
The only episodes I liked from this season 3 “A Bronx Tail” and “Dying of the Light”. Personally I count those episodes as canon cause they were entertaining. I also have a soft spot for “Generations” because of the ending scene. Demona had one chance to at least apologize to her daughter yet she backs away. Tragic how such a character has Demona is so lost in her own ideals that she is willing to sacrifice a chance of peace.
I watched ‘Genesis Undone’ recently, and I kinda liked it. Mostly cos it had my crush from the show in the episode, none other than Dr Sevarius.
The way western entertainment is nowadays, I really want them to leave Gargoyles alone.
Your answer is: Disney didn't know with Canada's animation studio.
They would make it super woke
@@Patrick3183 Idiots.
It's incredible, currently. I guess shitheads just don't appreciate inclusiveness.
@@Patrick3183 Did you even *_watch_* Gargoyles? The show is as 'woke' as it gets.
I just watched all of Gargoyles, now I want more.
Also, my favorite line in the show is "Gargoyles don't whine, we ROAR!!!"
WTF is wrong with Disney? I kind of understand watering down some of the content on the TV series, but spitefully making the comic series more expensive to produce was just ridiculous. It's not like 5 year olds were reading it
disney has always held a grudge against anything particularly _good._ plus they're aware that it is seen as the work of weisman, paur, etc.. not the work of 'disney' so they can't take credit for it. This is why they have screwed them over at every stage, the DVDs, everything.
@@KairuHakubi which probably helps explains why there several billion in the hole personally I recomend keep up the disney bashing till it dies
Disney will never die sadly. We can only hope that the current regime changes but that looks unlikely at the moment.
@@zemox2534 defeatism will not avail you everything can die never by into the myth of invincibility
They want to make money but they're fucking morons who consistently make decisions that cost them money.
All those usages of the Spawn voice clips are just genius, I must say.
Well, the leader of the Quarrymen wasn't just a random guy; he was Jon Canmore, the youngest sibling of the Hunters that hunted Demona and blamed the Gargoyles for his brother's paralysis even though it was really Jon's fault.
Ohhh ABC, Why must you screw with our awesome shows?! ReBoot and now this.
ABC ruined the Real Ghostbusters with bad voice recasts and bad writing.
@@elmarakovideo There also the who got Sonic SAT-am cancelled.
@@lindacherone4688 After "The Doomsday Project" I hoped for Knuckles in season three.
I didn't think Reboot was that good even as child.
Bruce Bruce Even Today?
You mention the writers of Gargoyles: Goliath Chronicles also working on X-Men, but there was another cartoon they did. It was called "Mummies Alive!" and it's pretty much a spiritual sequel to Goliath Chronicles. It has the same basic premise as Gargoyles (ancient inhuman beings sleeping for thousands of years and fighting magical evils in the future), but it's more focused on comedy and slapstick. Still has some great action scenes and a bit of darkness here or there, but it's a pretty light-hearted show overall. I wouldn't mind seeing you tackle it, as almost nobody talks about Mummies Alive anymore. XD
They did mummies alive?
Mummies was crazy fun as a kid -would love to see how that (and Creepy Crawlers) translate today!
That show was pretty cool too. I still have my Armon and Scarab figures somewhere.
I do vaguely recall watching an episode or two of Mummies Alive! and enjoying it. Maybe some day!
@@BullSession omg Mummies Alive!!! Now that's one I'd enjoy a retrospective of! Maybe even that Mighty Max show!
I wasn't able to watch Gargoyles when I was younger but I always really wanted to. I'm really late (now being 30 years old) and genuinely enjoyed the series...But I wouldn't want it to be remade or continued in any way. I can understand if this is an unpopular opinion but a lot of stuff you see remade just gets ruined. The only thing I wouldn't mind is if they was to remaster the older cartoons to clean it up a little. It's a gem that should be polished no matter how old it is. It will always shine.
You're not alone
Goliath on Final Destination = Goliath confirmed as Smash Ultimate DLC
"Jalapena! Goliath 'glides' into battle!"
Do not give me that hope.
I'd seriously consider buying the game, just for Goliath!
I'd actually be interested in seeing that. Golioth duking it out with the Zelda cast, the Belmonts, and the Fire Emblem warriors.
I recently discovered Gargoyles on Disney+ and binge watched it for a couple of weeks. Today I just finished season 3 and despite it not being as good like the previous season, I absolutely love the series. This wasn’t the first time I’ve heard of Gargoyles though. As a kid my first exposure of them was of an ad I watched on a Disney movie on vhs. I was never able to watch it on tv unfortunately, but I’m glad I’m able to now on Disney+. I wish the series would someday get an appropriate conclusion unlike in Season 3, but maybe someday it will. Maybe.
The Goliath Chronicles was actually my introduction to Gargoyles, then I got to see the reruns of the original series. I'm actually just starting the Goliath Chronicles as I've been on a Gargoyles binge these last couple of weeks, and it's been an absolute joy to rewatch for the first time in 20 years.
When some in the show say that the gargoyles are scary looking or ugly, I just don't understand. Lexington is adorable, and I don't really have to say much about Angela
Yeah in real life a few people would be scared but most people would think they were just awesome. Just like a few people are scared of dogs, because a dog could bite your face off.. but most people are aware 'these beasts are hard-coded to serve man, so be their friends. look at their cute faces!'
This is the problem with a lot of racism allegories. The real solution has always been exposure. Once you get to know the unknown, you see it for all of its ups and downs and realize it's no big deal... but that doesn't even fit here. There's like 8 of them.
@@KairuHakubi there's a lot more than 8 if you factor in the different clans we've seen in the show and comics, but still significantly less than the number of humans.
@@alexjewett7455 yeah and like, these are the only ones people know. So exposure is not really an option. can't just force gargoyle kids to go to human schools and let them grow up together.. for ... _a couple_ reasons.
@@KairuHakubi fair point.
"And some, I assume, are good people."
Nailed it!
i have the 3rd season (actually all the seasons) of Gargoyles on dvd. i wanted to see how the new show runners handled it and you can clearly see they had no direction of what they wanted to do. i agree that it had its moments of being entertaining, just nothing that you can sink your teeth into. i absolutely love the Gargoyles and hope to see them in some form or fashion somewhere down the line.
Ah yes season 3. Only episodes worth a damn were the first, and the one where Hudson loses his sight and has to ask for help. Gone were the long story arcs, gone were the Shakespearean themes. Gargoyles just turned into another Saturday morning cartoon. Bleh.
Funfact: The leader of the Quarrymen "John Castaway" is actually Jon Canmore former leader of the Hunter silblings. Who is also a Illuminatus in the Comics, which is pretty bad for the Gargoyles but a pretty cool idea.
I was noticed that, his suit does have the red marks on it
The only episode other than The Journey that I actually liked from this season was Dying of the Light in which Hudson is dealing with his eyesight deteriorating due to glaucoma and his blind author friend Jeffery Robins convinces him to go to the hospital to have it diagnosed. Quarrymen attack and Hudson has to fight them while blind after the surgery. The rest of the episodes ranged from _meh_ to *OH GOD WHY?!* Though there where moments here and there on the whole I'd rather forget most of this season happened.
Bit of a shill but if anyone's into fanfiction I'd highly recommend both Christine Morgan and Kimberly T.'s continuations of the story.
I loved that episode, but I don't remember much else from the season.
“The Dying of the Light” was okay. It’s still got plenty of the usual problems that crop up from the entire season to drag it down, but it’s closer to feeling like a real Gargoyles episode than any of the others. Is it any wonder Greg Weisman referenced it in the comics?
Is there a way you could link dad fanfic you were talking about I'm a check it out.
@@kingj9664 Sure
Christine Morgan: fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/author.php?author=Christine%2BMorgan&sortorder=ASC
Kimberly T.: fanfic.gargoyles-fans.org/author.php?author=Kimberly%2BT.&sortorder=ASC
Always nice to see someone else who appreciates Christine and Kimberly' s work. If you like Gargoyles fanfiction, I'd also recommend The Barracuda's series. It was incomplete last I read it, but it's still quality work.
I've said it to myself many times, but I'll say it here...
Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles is the Dragon Ball GT of western animation.
*EDIT* Also, Disney's acquisition of ABC resulted in the cancellation of Sonic SatAM.
I don't know is being like gt but I get what you mean. Is nothing really new about it. PS I like gt.
Ouch, GT is bad but it doesn't deserve THAT.
What’s so bad about GT? I never watched it so I have no idea.
I didn’t realize how much people disliked season 3. I guess I didn’t find it as bad because I thought the ending was satisfying.
Satisfying but also sad 😭 I didn't want it to end
I remember not liking season 3 when it first aired, but just saw it again recently and I think I was too hard on it. It was actually pretty good. My one complaint is that the stakes were lowered after the 2nd season, so it felt more like the early episodes. (Street level conflicts instead of epic, mystical adventures.) But it did a good job of giving each character their own stories and focus and the messages of each episode were very thoughtful and thematically interesting.
One thing I am grateful to the Goliath Chronicles for is it's ending. Now granted, it is a little forced and under Greg and his writing team, this outcome probably wouldn't be reached for another few years or even decades. However, considering at the time, I thought we were never going to see these characters again, to end on a happier and more hopeful note is something I can respect as I really wanted these characters to get happy endings.
"I don't give a rat's dick how sorry you are!"
I laughed my ass off at that point. There's nothing Keith David can't say that automatically doesn't turn to gold. XD
Also, I agree with you on Season 3. It was nowhere near as good as the first two seasons, but I think it was ok and I thought the last episode was a decent way to conclude the series, allowing the world to see the Gargoyles being heroes when they save that train.
Abc was so tame and sanitized. When I hear abc I think of shit like Sabrina the Teenage Witch
Also ABC's Slimer Show!
I remember watching the Sabrina the Teenage witch show with my brother and we were enjoying it. Though we stop around when Sabrina got to college and to be honest I was tired that the show forgot some of its lore that created loop holes. Plus adding a new best friend for Sabrina in each season(which the third one wasn’t even shown that much or see Sabrina teaching her when it was supposed to be a big deal) and ruining her romance for Harvey with I forgot his name wasn’t that good in my opinion.
Good thing I’m not the only one who would call out Sabrina the Teenage Witch TV series (maybe the comics and 1970s cartoon hold up with their nostalgia, but because the late 1990s - early 2000s series and The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina were made by Nickelodeon (the former) and CW with Riverdale (the latter), this is why people should be open-minded enough to think about what Archie Comics has done wrong throughout the 8 decades of its existence, including the Sonic comics when Mike Gallagher, Ken Penders, Karl Bollers and Jon Gray, with their out-of-character (mis)handling of the characters in #134 (So Long Sally aka The Slap) and an earlier issue when Bunnie was also a bully to Sonic that Ian Flynn tried and succeeded to fix so he could make the Sonic (re: #179 Sonic vs. Tails: Friends No More and #230 and beyond with Mecha Sally and after) & Mega Man (re: Mega Man X) series unlike the regular Archie Comics series, or as I’d like to call it “Betty vs. Veronica: Friends No More!” with their stupid cat fights for Archie Andrews’ heart which even he was shown to be sick of like the rest of us)!
@@kieranstark7213 Betty v Veronica : Dawn of Catfight
@@Shiirow YEAH!!!!
That regular guy in “The Journey” who joined the Quarrymen and then did the right thing was Vinnie from “Vendettas.”
Appeared once in S1 and twice in S2. I love the nod to continuity.
Vinnie with dat banana cream pie gun
Gargoyles was WAY ahead of its time. Apparently Greg had ideas to give Lexington a male love interest, something a Disney cartoon in the late 90s NEVER would have gone for.
I still say the clones weren't given enough time to become more, they could've done so much being forced made creations having to learn the world so much slower for how they were designed having to overcome it and grow dealing with new threats and maybe helping their originals to see the world in a different viewpoint? / still wish we got a clone bronyx
There was no 3rd season of Gargoyles...
There was no 4th season of Beast Wars...
There is no Goliath Chronicles in Ba Sing Se
@@elmarakovideo There is no Beast Machines in Ba Sing Se
If there were, I would’ve made some major changes!
@@elmarakovideo there never was a fourth season of Beast Wars to begin with AKA no one acknowledges Beast Machines
this season to me was more like a slice of life anime where each episode targets a specific character and the lessons they learn but the last episode (season finale) gives u a happy ending kind of feeling cause thats what to is and I really enjoyed it. Granted id of liked 52 episodes like season 2 but even that had me thinking "maybe this is too long, just go home already cause I miss the full team" but I was happy to see in season 2 they DID shift focus on what the others were doing as well in Goliath' absence.
We saw that Xanatos had become very protective of his son and wife and that Lexington had become protective of him as well and his relationship with Fox was mended by protecting Alex (the baby). Even Hudson had to learn when to ask for help and not just accept what was becoming of him and him losing his sight in his good eye wherein he turned to his friend who got him help.
Goliath made his case in court for the world to see that Gargoyles believe in the humans version of justice and their proceedings as well. he even learned in the Alt reality what would have happened if he was a human and not a gargoyle and how things would b worse for him and his kind. granted I do wish puck would cast the same spell on Goliath he did on Demona so he could be with Elisa in that way but then again idk if that'd make things better or worse.
in the end I really liked this season reminded me of season 1 and put a nice end to the series but at the same time id of liked to see if have gone on longer
Little fun fact for fans curious about the stories continuation and on John Castaway.
The show runners werent able to confirm it, but Castaway is indeed John Canmore, the younger brother of the three Huntress from the S2 finale.
The Quarrymen was his way of expanding the hunters, in the comics this is confirmed and Castaway/Canmore is revealed to be part of the illuminate.
As for the proper continuation, the comics have continued with the current storyline being about the Stone of Destiny and how it comnects to Macbeth, Arthur, Biblical times, etc. While the current B plot of the story is about a rescue mission to save Maggie from Thailog who kidnapped her and Mary (Tom's time displaced mother) so that he can raise her child as his own.
There's also the reveal that the Illuminate is run by one of Arthur's knights, Percival, who seems to be immortal as well and a new illuminate member named Shari who it turns out is THE Scheherazade from Arabian Knights.
And lastly both Coldstone and Coldfire return to the Manhattan Clan and join up permanently while Brooklyn, having been swept away by the Phoenix, journeyed through time, brought back Mary and Finella to the modern day as well as got him a wife from japan's Ishimura clan named katana and having 2 children with her as well as finding a Gargoyle beast like Bronx named Fu Dog.
Suffice it to say Gargoyles is pushing through to try and tell what could be its final story
As far as I'm concerned the five part series pilot was perfect and I would really like to see it adapted into an unadulterated, PG-13 rated live action movie. Just imagine, Castle Wyvern, the gargoyles and all of that glorious medieval violence in live action, and it could be left open ended after Goliath and the remainder of his clan are put into their thousand year slumber, thus leading into the sequels which would pick up in the modern day just like the original version. It also has something in common with Transformers, Kieth David would have to return to play Goliath because, just as Peter Cullen IS Optimus Prime, Kieth David IS Goliath, these two guys simply can't be replaced in their respective roles.
Disney will never bring back this show. That would require paying actual artists to do actual artistry.
More likely it's because gargoyles was supposed to be their marvel... they became super redundant when they bought Marvel
@@RoyalKnightVIII Do they think there's not enough room for both Marvel and Gargoyles?
@@blujay1982ify Maybe, they've been marginalizing the show since it didn't make a bajillion dollars. There was finally an official continuation with the SLG comics written by Weisman himself that was Canon, and Disney was never comfortable with it... Off because they bought Marvel whose characters are much more violent.
So it seems so... :/ I wish they would just sell it. Or rather I wish Copyright law was still just 14 years
@@RoyalKnightVIII Yeah, I wish Wiseman could just own them.
Disney does have artists
I swear it feels like ABC tried to turn Gargoyles into their version of the X-Men 90's cartoon...and failed miserably, and the fandom suffered *shakes head* But I do love "The Journey," though (:
The Quarrymen were never supposed to be the main villain of the series. Thailog was supposed to be the primary villain but the new writer's gave up on him. Jon Castaway was supposed to be Jon Canmore from season 2.
Thailog: I used Demona by standing her up and proving I already have a girlfriend, you know, like the guy Cinderella (I mean Lily James as young Donna Sheridan) broke up with for forcing her to love him then shamelessly showing her he had a girlfriend he cheated on! Before I died a reformed man, I was an incel! m.ua-cam.com/video/mXwBTTLwffA/v-deo.html
Disney: Ugh, too much of a mature theme, we must play it safe for (most of) season 3 with ABC (yep, we’re singing the alphabet song, herpy derpy derp!)!
I'd say it's good to watch the third season once, just to see what it is and how it plays out; but after that first viewing, any subsequent marathon viewing of the series could be done without the third season from then on.
I've re-watched the Gargoyles series sever times, but I only needed to (and cared to) watch the third season the one time.
Just watch Seasons 1&2 and then read The Comics that retcon season 3
I’d say watch the 3rd season and read the comics like I did
Actually, Season 2, part 2 WAS released. Not sure if it was a Target exclusive, but that's where I got my copy
Oh? I did not know that I'll have to try and look up a copy. Thank you.
I am still a fan after 20 years
Same here
With the Ducktales reboot being a hit and helping revive the Disney Afternoon with Darkwing Duck having two whole episodes dedicated to him along with appearances from Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers & Goof Troop, I’d be genuinely surprised if they included a reference to Gargoyles someday and maybe get a revival going. Though I’m mostly saying this because I just finished season 2 and can’t find any version of the comics that aren’t either out of stock or selling for hundreds of dollars.
Thanks for this video. I just finished the first two seasons on Disney Plus and the trepidation online about the third season is what led me here. Great work and thank you again!
Xanatos shouting "No!" is my new favourite thing.
Listening to Titania's speech to Goliath in For It May Come True I feel like the words "wibbly wobbly, timey wimey" would fit right in. And probably improve it.
Was Eliza animated by whoever animated Jasmine in the Aladdin series? I mean Jesus!
For one or two episodes, yes (same studio I believe). One was the Proteus/New Avalon episode, cannot recall the second if there was one. It was one of the episodes where the animation quality was far better.
@@earlallison Thought so, the eyes are so similar to Jasmine's it's somewhat unnerving
Jack O Brien I actually love Aladdin the animated series:)
Jack O Brien Eliza actually dresses as Jasmine in a Gargoyles comic
@@autobotproductions1244 They knew what they were doing, does Elisa have Arabic heritage now that I think of it or was this the first sign that Disney was oblivious to that (I mean they cast an Indian woman as Jasmine)
I would love to see a live action Gargoyles done well on the same or better quality as Avtar. This would be awesome with a well written script and get people that look as close to the cartoon characters as possible to play them. I would definitely buy it.
“The sad truth is, it’s easier to excite people with hatred than with reason.”
Twitter: Y’all hear something?
We're in the Endgame now...
It should be noted that it's heavily implied that John Castaway, the head of the Quarrymen, is Jon Canmore. The youngest of the three Hunters from the final episodes of season 2. This is shown in season 3 by the fact that every time he puts on his Quarryman suit you can see the three clawmarks of the hunter symbol under the Quarryman symbol.
Also, if you're looking into any scenes where Demona's or Macbeth's actions or motivations seem off, it's quite clear that the Weird Sisters have put dozens of layers of mind control spells on both of them.
I certainly didn't hate "The Goliath Chronicles", indeed, some episodes I even enjoy quite a bit, but my big issue is the episode narrative and poor animation quality. I thought the Quarrymen were terrific as the new antagonists and they fit in very well thematically with what had been established in the first two seasons.
the leader of the quarrymen was one of those hunter siblings who looks different now he was the one who before was unsure about hunting them but soon lost it
I bet anything if the show was still going through the same studio and nothing changed we would have an epic Goliath Elisa adventure if you get my gist
R.I.P. Ed Asner!
We're gonna miss you Hudson.
I remember reading interviews how the creator pretty much disowned this, even give him props for not wanting to no longer beat around the bush about lexington. I even have a few "slave labor graphic" comics I should find more of those. Damn was wondering if the comics went on longer, just wanted some closure lol.
Elaborate
@@Patrick3183 Lexington was always thought of by the writer as gay. slave labor graphics ended it's comic run in 2008 because Disney increased it's licensing fees...because Disney really needs more money.
I liked Gargoyles because it combined gothic high fantasy with modern day that did not involve vampires. Oberon was fun. Cold iron gargoyle robot suit. Fight the lord of the isle to protect your firstborn. Ally with your enemy Gargoyles to do it. That was epic as hell back then. Beats the Snyder cut.
First time I heard of the Illuminati was from gargoyles.. Lol
One of the things I was afraid of was that Demona and Macbeth would escalate their fighting till one destroyed the other and thus destroying themselves, as they ended up mystically connected. Since Demona became human by day and gargoyle by night it never answered the question if she wanted or had the need for sleep. It would probably make sense that she could just choose to in either night or day.
Greg Weisman´s confirmed Puck´s spell rejuvinates her just like stone sleep. Also, I wouldn´t worry about Macbeth and Demona since both were a part of the planned Gargoyles 2198 spin off.
Man I loved this series, I was a freshman in high school when it came out and thought my self too old for cartoons, but it was my guilty pleasure for those three years it was on. Since then, I am a anime-holic.
Please give Gargoyles a decent reboot like Ducktales.
No, I want a continuation. Luckily Greg Weisman, Frank Paur, and the entire cast and crew are just as eager to pick up where season two left off, ignore season three, and go from there.
I’ll agree with continuation and it has to be done in similar style. I’d have a stroke if it was done in calarts style
I rewatched the first two seasons a couple years ago and was annoyed by the boat framing device in season two overstaying its welcome.
yeah weisman said he knew that was gonna happen, because disney was slamming them to make more and more episodes and they weren't able to break it up properly with interstitials, plus they had an inevitable hiatus which made the boat ride feel even longer.
@@KairuHakubi At least Goliath got off the boat faster than Guts did
@@rolandkatsuragi oh god don't remind me. I never even read that and it still hurts.
I think some of the boat episodes(known as the Avalon World Tour) were worse than season 3, especially the one called Monsters which was a rehash of the previous episode and led nowhere
The thumbnail you used for this video was priceless. Same goes for the clunky animation you showed.
As for 'The Goliath Chronicles', it's been awhile since I've seen that season, but I was ambivalent towards it. The main episodes I remember watching are the season premiere (good), the one where Bronx traveled to a forest and befriended a young boy (fair), Broadway going to Hollywood (weird), and the season/series finale (okay). The rest I either remember several certain moments, or never saw it, like the trial episode.
The Quarry Men were an interesting idea for villains, especially since their leader was the youngest of the hunters from the Season 2 finale. Or rather, how he was initially skeptical on hunting the gargoyles until he blamed them for what happened to his older brother. Pretty ironic since the latter took the opposite route throughout those episodes. Aside from that, they didn't leave as much of an impression on me as most of the other villains. Maybe if I rewatch 'Goliath Chronicles,' I might find some more value in them.
The Quarrymen's leader was the brother from The Hunters? Jeez I completely missed that.
@@BullSession Must've been the mustache.
Bull Session Yeah. The show never outright said it - for some reason, it never made it into the script - but Castaway was originally going to be revealed as Jon Canmore, the Hunter who escaped capture at the end of “Hunter’s Moon.”
@@BullSession it’s actually revealed in the series finale “Angels in the Night” when Goliath calls him out for wanting to destroy innocent lives for an ancient hatred.
Thankfully we have the 2006 Comics which is the true season 3. The new Dynamite Comics are Season 4. The Goliath Chronicles have the same problems as the Red Sky Years of Ninja Turtles, both got turned into X-Men Clones with the hatred of non humans and they just retooled two iconic shows that are beloved by millions.
I really like the opening monologues. But I think that’s more to do with Keith David’s buttery smooth voice.
I never hated the third season myself, it was a step down, but with how high I though of Gargoyles to start with, there wasn't much higher to go and it's still better then a lot out there.
Season 3 is generally considered noncanon.
Yup. Its a good thing we got the SLG comics instead.
Good
The first real big taste we got of "things were great, but now they're bad. meaning we were wrong to have any hope"
not just for gargoyles, but disney TV animation in general. This is when they took a hard nosedive after a decade of reinventing the quality of TV cartoons.
but... I didn't know it was ABC's fault specifically.
We never had a season 3. We had Gargoyles: Goliath Chronicles, but not a season 3.
For me, the opening sequence was the best part of season 3 (sans episode 1). Yes, the animation was a bit wonky, but watching it as a kid, I liked seeing the shadows falling, the 3d animation that showed off the Eyrie building, and intensity of the visuals overall. But the music was the clincher--it had all the epicness of the original but it just felt 10% cooler. The musical cue that hits right around when Xanatos and Fox appear in the window and a police siren starts playing in the background...it still gets me.
The panpipes are good. the cheap animation being scrolled around unevenly in multi-plane fashion as if the birds are projected onto a pane of glass as you pan upward.. not so much.
Gargoyles has been revived as a comic once more by Dynamite Comics. It takes place IMMEDIATELY after the end of the SLG run. And compared to its SLG stint, it’s lasting much longer.
On a side note, maybe Disney's Recess will finally be available on Disney Plus.
Some of the Gargoyles episodes in season 3 was good some just awful. If I was a writer I would start the season 3 over by get rid of the bad and keep the good. I do heard they will remake 3rd season or continuing adding new episodes. If they do it I'll be watching it for sure. Maybe if it's a success we just might see season 4, 5, or ect... 🤞I'm a huge Gargoyles fan and I just want it done right with original music, theme song, animation, and cast.
I kinda liked ‘Genesis Undone’, but mostly bc it had Sevarius in it :3
Your review of season 3 is spot on. If nothing else Disney could've kept the original creators on board even after the merger with Buena Vista /ABC and after the 1st episode of season 3. In my opinion, they sank the series just with that tactic alone or if they wanted to use their own peeps (which they did) they could've kept the the original creators on to coach the new team as consultants to bring them up to speed. In any case, the season 3 was jilted and that's just my humble opinion.
News lady: Our children are not safe with gargoyles
Cuts to next scene: Bronx gently playing with a child
Me: This is why I don't watch the news anymore
There is an article on Keith David said something about Gargoyles making a revival on Google news.
Marc McDonnell link?
I think it’s best to look at google search “Gargoyles Keith David” then search and see for yourself.
Goliath: *garbled nonsense*
Goliath: WE ARE KNEE DEEP IN A PILE OF SH*T.
Gargoyles Must Continue.
I enjoyed the Spawn audio clips you edited in the monologues. I did marathon seasons 1 and 2 last year since it was a highly acclaimed show that I didn't watch as a kid. I was curious about season 3 and this video answered my questions. Tragic that Greg got shafted by Disney and ABC that badly...
It's not for kids only. My mom also enjoyed watching it with me back in the 90s.
Almost 30 years and that intro still gives me goosebumps
Xanatos: "I have a plan."
Lexington: "that plan sucks"
Broadway "yeah"
Brooklyn "you used to be better at this"
Xanatos: "hey I'm a dad now, that's where most of my energy is going!"
14:50 The Measure of a...Gargoyle?
I would like for the third session to be redone with the comic's as a base
You can buy all of it on Amazon Prime.
I'll bash Disney for all the crimes they've committed as one of the most powerful corporations on the planet.
Mhmm, for sure. That quote is also from almost 20 years ago.
@@BullSession Disney is almost 100 years old.
Very good videos! I always loved Gargoyles! Now that my generation is older, I think we are ready for a reboot of the show but with a twist...make it for adults! The way I see it, it should be done like Spawn the animated series was made in 1997!...Not sure Disney would do that but I like to dream about it!
The Quarrymen are to the gargoyles as the Friends of Humanity are to the mutants too bad they don't exist in the same universe. Or could they?
It's kind of a poor fit though, they really are similar but.. a group living in fear of a rapidly-growing group of mentally unstable teenagers with uncontrollable powers whose only hope is to send them off to a vaguely paramilitary boarding school where a bald dude in a wheelchair can help them keep their city-destroying abilities under their thumb... has a bit more justification than a group living in fear of 8 walking statues, 7 of whom have openly expressed their desire only to protect (and the last one, the murdery one, is not being persecuted or pursued at all by this group). Hell, a metaphor for slavery would have made more sense than this, except again, there's still only 8 of them. You can't put them in chains and have them pick your cotton, yknow.
One thing you didn't cover, which I'm assuming you may not have known is the programming conflicts that occurred in Gargoyles 2nd Season.
Disney had purchased a Hockey Team in 1994 called the Mighty Ducks, and wanted to create an animated series to promote them. They then moved Gargoyles to a VERY early morning timeslot and gave Might Ducks a friday afternoon slot, which was used to promote Gargoyles Season 1.
Gargoyles Time slot was then shifted around twice more before season 2 was over. as a fan I missed the majority of the 2nd half of season 2 on its original broadcast just trying to track down the show.
Not sure if your still active on this channel but around a year ago Dynamite Comics started a new series of Gargoyles comics that are direct sequels to the show and are also written by Weisman.
Season 3 being cut to 13 episodes was a mercy.
Hey this just in a new line of comics are being developed and written by Greg Weismann!
You know you've done something wrong when Keith David starts feeling annoying.
@8:25 I hear what you did there, bud. Well played. Well played indeed.
Ahhh so that’s what happened to beast wars.
Your videos rock
Weirdly enough, another "Spinoff" was a serial show based on Disney's Atlantis: The Lost Empire. A few episodes were made, and the series seemed to more or less be it's own world tour, however a semi-recurring villain they had planned would have been early 20th century Demona. I guess that plan was OKed because the Atlantis movie never really gelled with the rest of Disney's weird Golden Age semi-continuity, since the Little Mermaid had it's own Atlantis, I guess. But the show was cancelled real early and that never ended up happening.
Loved this show but I could tell that season 3 didn't really look that great. In my eyes, the first two seasons are canon only.
Season 3 of gargoyles proved a very clear message. The reason why the show started out a continued being popular through season 1 and 2, was because of the people making it.
Even when season 3 had the same character designs, voice actors and reused assets, without the quality writing team to make good stories, nothing else could keep it afloat. What made the show so good was gone from the series and it showed.
This is what makes me nervous of them making a new series of gargoyles, they would obviously have new animation, new voice actors and music, but if they can't get the same quality writing on a new show, then it's pointless trying to make a new one.
Also I don't trust disney today, they'd thrust in their social and political one sided agenda, probably shove goliath aside and make it all about female gargoyle empowerment fighting the patriarchy or some garbage.
A lot of Angela’s traits would be removed, her naïveté and her compassion and essentially turn her into an annoying abrasive shrew.
Elisa will either be distorted beyond recognition or the writers would horribly misunderstand why she is popular.
@@bobo577 and demona would be a poor misunderstood thing who had her world destroyed by all the evil toxic men who put her down over her life.
Also mcbeth would now be a rapist and kiddie fiddler.
@@MrOrcshaman I was thinking Demona would get a redemption arc because of being a woman rather than earning it through her actions but that sounds worse what you mentioned.
I saw The Goliath Chronicles when it original aired. @11:49 I remember being really disturbed by the fact that they made Goliath a White Human in that "It's a Wonderful Life" Episode when in The Mirror, Goliath's human form is appropriately the same race as his voice actor.
I know you people are particularly clueless, but even you can't tell me the human form in The Mirror looked even remotely African. I mean maybe if you count Egypt. He was ~mildly tanned~ but still drawn to fit in with the other scottish gargoyles