The Silurian Solution | Warriors Of The Deep | Doctor Who
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- Deep underwater in Sea Base 4, The Doctor and Tegan are taken prisoner by the Silurians. The Doctor recognises one of them as Icthar, who explains the nature and purpose of the base. Subscribe for more exclusive Doctor Who clips: bit.ly/SubscribeToDoctorWho
Classic Doctor Who clip from episode 4 of 'Warriors of the Deep'. First broadcast 13/01/1984
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"The Final Solution" well that's subtle
I wonder if it's a metaphor for the Nazis. I guess we'll never know.
So nostalgic for this story. The first story I bought on vhs when I was a kid. People say the effects let this story down, but if you can't look pass the effects then you can't appreciate Doctor Who. Love the fifth Doctor too. So energetic and in this he is trying so desperately hard to prevent a war, though this is one of the times where the Doctor wins and loses at the same time.
How is he in any way 'trying so desperately to prevent a war'?
He had the means to do so in episode 1, and was still refusing to use them in episode 4.
He's not desperately trying to prevent a war, he's just desperately trying to preserve the side who are most determined to press the button.
Imagine if the Silurians still looked like this. Imagine Vastra. I wonder if Jenny would still like her.
The new Silurians look like something from Cats tbh.
At least the new series Silurians actually look alright
Puts on sunglasses I painted beatifull versions of this tribe years agobalso trying to find it on my deviantart
No the answer is no
A mix between the two would be the perfect Silurian design in my opinion
1:15 "Oops, sorry."
"Warriors of the Deep" gets a lot of negative views, but I personally enjoy it.
I like this episode it's just the wooden acting that brings it down in my eyes.
Andrew Chapman same
Same I also enjoyed this one, I always liked the Silurians and Sea Devils. I actually got the dvd collection “Beneath the Surface” about ten or so years ago. It was my first time watching the old who and it’s what got me into rewatching the old episodes. As such these monsters are special to me because of this.
Andrew Chapman same here
It's disliked because of the goofy monster and the darkness induced audience apathy.
I think a mix between these Silurian’s and the modern ones would make the perfect design
I think the perfect design has already been created (for the original Silurian story) but they just need a modern execution.
@@naubolos8426 they sort of have done this in the comics, the lost dimension features both this design and nuwho's silurian design. essentially they're different subspecies of silurian, with these being the "scholar caste" and the nuwho silurians being the "warrior caste"
@@hollownora2818 To be honest I think that is a terrible idea and the type of unrealistic thing I hate in DW (especially NuHu). The Old DW Silurians and the new versions don't at all look like the same species at all. It is bad enough if they were different related species, being different castes of the same species is dreadful.
Honestly the design for them in NuHu is just a bad idea period that sends the wrong message about them... that to emphasise with them they need human faces.
@@naubolos8426There's actually an updated mask based off the original design floating about on the Internet, and it looks terrific.
I always liked the notion that humans weren't the only people on Earth and that they were in at least some context the bad guys.
I always liked these voices for the Silurians the most. The classic design looks so much more alien than the new design.
Transformers354 I think the new Silurians are supposed to look more human.
Silurians aren't alien tho.
My main annoyance with the New Who version is that they have breasts... WHY would reptiles have breasts? They lay eggs for crying out loud. And before anyone pulls the "they are aliens" card... they are not in fact aliens :) So our "normal" earth rules should apply to them.
The whole point of the Silurians is that they look monstrous to human eyes but are, in fact, a civilised, intelligent alien* race.
Making them look more human is an exercise in dumbing down in extremis.
*"alien" just means "different". It doesn't necessarily mean "extraterrestrial".
They sound like the kandy man from the happiness patrol
One of the few old school Doctor Who serial where everyone dies but not the Doctor and his companions.
Darkness induced audience apathy was prominent in the fifth doctor era.
You obviously haven't seen much old school Doctor Who then. In the late 60s and throughout the 70s, almost every Doctor Who story killed off everyone except the Doctor and his companions. The Daleks' Master Plan, Tomb of the Cybermen, Seeds of Death, Ark in Space, Genesis of the Daleks, Revenge of the Cybermen, Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, Seeds of Doom, Robots of Death, and Horror of Fang Rock are some really good examples.
@@jerobriggs6861 Not almost every single story, just quite a few stories. Also, quite a few examples you've provided don't have just the Doctor and their companions survive, but a lot of their supporting characters do die (Tomb of the Cybermen, Ark in Space, Planet of Evil, and both Seeds stories).
Happened again later on in the season in The Caves of Androzani (barring Morgas's secretary). And the body count was high in Resurrection Of The Daleks too (barring Lytton and his two policemen and later to find out Davros)
I actually don’t mind the look of the Silurians in this story the design isn’t too far of a departure from the original design seen in “Doctor who and the Silurians. Ik people say they aren’t a fan of the New series Silurians because they don’t look like the classic series Silurians but they don’t realise that they’re supposed to be different because, they are a different breed of Silurians but are in the same family of species just like the Seadevils are the water based cousins of the Silurians. That is why they look different. The doctor even mentions this “I met your people a long time ago, a different branch of Homoreptilia of course but still the same” and tells them how they were sadly attacked by the humans but then he begs the Silurians not to take revenge upon the humans. I also like the Samurai armour look for the Seadevils which was an awesome choice so I say well done to the costume designers as they improved the costumes on both creatures, despite having a very limited budget. I like the edition of the Silurians third eye 👁 lighting up when they speak similar to a Daleks dome lights. This makes up for the fact that the mouth doesn’t move and it helps to distinguish which Silurian is talking. I personally give the story a 7.5 out of 10 it’s not great but it also gets far too much hate than it deserves. You can disagree with me ofc idm we are all different at the end of the day. Xx
So this is why Vastra never let Jenny meet her parents....
IIRC Peter Davison once said that this story got so behind schedule that many rehearsal takes had to be used in the final edit
That explains "Now why change such an enlightened policy now?"
The Silurians are too cute, but the Sea Devils look cool in their samurai gear.
KingofPotatoPeople I'd love a samurai sea devil action figure along with the classic Silurians but character options still haven't made them yet
@Peter Z you mean remove the sea devils and keep silurians? The second devils are just red shirts in this
Haha yeh the sea devils do look cool in the samurai gear, its a shame they havent brought them back but I spose theyd redesign them too if they did since they did the silurians.
@@theyellowlightsaber3193 surprise they have been redesigned and are coming back
Mr. Fribble is very cross with you.
We rarely ever see Doctor who Villians in the same story together.
Uh… not really. Plenty of examples
@@erosion271 go on then, give some examples.
@@masonspencer918 daleks and cyber men appeared together plenty of times. Pandora opens hello? Time of the doctor too? Flux had a team up of daleks and cyber men.
Even five doctors had plenty of cameos.
@@erosion271 ah. So you can only give me NuWho examples.
@@masonspencer918 New Who is still Doctor Who. You didn't specify which era of the show you wanted examples from.
"Only give me new Who examples" no lmao I gave you examples.
The three pack of the Triad action figures is stunning.
Can't wait for the sea devils to return later this year!!
1:15 lol, the bump into each other..
1:15
1:15 The Sea Devils bump into each other!
That made me laugh, haha
the doctor looks good in that space suit their should have been more episodes for him to wear it more often
I mean, you really cannot blame them. They were betrayed several times.
So were the Thals, but they didn't turn out the same way.
I remember watching a repeat of the first Silurian story, they tried to draw 1st blood. Or at least a splinter group tried
Doctor Who and The Silurians is a very good story. Underrated maybe because it wasn’t about invasion, but humanity’s refusal to try peace. This story did them no justice, but much better than the crap Moffat gave us. This lower time of Classic Who is still light years ahead of new Dr. Who.
The revival's silurian story was great, frankly. The bad part was the lazy design retcon.
@@cement_eater I disagree. It was rushed, used simple tropes combined with a familiar and well liked character , the Silurians. Very basic writing with no depth, cardboard characters. The whole thing felt like a typical low quality tv show for older teens at best. The physical re-design I’m neutral on personally. Some updated redesigns work and some don’t. Much better than the god awful insult that passes for Cybermen, walking around with that idiotic stompy-wompy sound
@@logicsfinest3471 the redesign itself was fine, but it missed the point of their first appearance, that the silurians were just like humans in spite of looking totally alien. I felt like beyond that, the revival's two parter largely treaded the same ground as Doctor Who and the Silurians, which was perfectly acceptable as a way to introduce the concept to the new audience.
I agree about the cybermen. They were fine in 2006, in which their inhumanity was actually used to intimidate, but since then they've been either treated like robots or played second fiddle to another villain (with one exception). It's not helped by the fact that in every single cybermen story between then and 2020, there's been at least one person to somehow resist conversion, which trivializes the concept.
this is some good stuff
This story is not the best but it would be in my top 15, I can't see how some people call it the worst. And why do people say Peter Davidson is the worst doctor, he's my joint first with Patrick Troughton but this is just me.
Your right, I haven't seen THAT many classic episodes because I first watched the modern then went to classics. But like I said I haven't seen many classics only about 18 or 20 I so should watch more before I can judge this one again, but I do enjoy some might says it's a guilty pleasure of mine. What I mean is it's my one of my favourite classics not of all time since I haven't seen way too many classics. My favourite moment in this is at the end of the final episode when you see the doctor surrounded by dead bodies, being the most noble kind and caring doctor. That's why Caves of Androzani is my favourite episode so far.
At least that's something we can agree on :)
The visuals are what really kill this story. Some dimmer lighting and more dynamic directing would have worked wonders.
Angela M. That's one of the advantages of watching these episodes on an old personal-sized TV with poor reception, fiddling with the rabbit ears to try and see what's happening.. :-)
I'd go onto fan forums during the "wilderness years" and be baffled by folks calling some of my favorite episodes 'Terrible.' But now that I can see these clips I UA-cam, I can understand, to a point. Those rubber masks do kind of ruin the mood in places. Snow can cover up a lot of sins. On the other hand, I still favor great stories and bad masks over the other way around (Which is what most TV and Movies do, these days).
I honestly love cheesiness so it's not a major problem for me :D And that's the problem with Fan Forums. Be prepared to have to your favourite experiences ruined. Just sayin'/warning you
In a sea of their own blood!! Omg!
01:16 the two sea devil's walk into each other 😂
Ichtar the CyberSilurian, he has the voice, he even has David Banks "Excellent" sorted.
Same voice as the Kandyman
He is a Silurian, with the catchphrase of a Cyberman and the voice of the Kandyman.
this is how silurians now should still look like, or at least very similar
Silurians: "We will harm no one. These ape primitives will destroy themselves. We, Doctor, will merely provide the pretext."
Morty: Well that just sounds like genocide with extra steps.
These silurians were the best -I felt this was good
"You are mistaken. I look like a famous lizard. I get that a lot."
Great story, sorely underrated in Dr Who fandom.
tegan,has perfect legs!
The way the Silurians talk remind me of the Conehead family.
Personally, I think that the story was good, but the execution was just very poor. Considering all the technical drawbacks of its production, this story would've worked better for the new series rather than the classic one.
Agreed there are so much more production flaws in this one story alone than the classic 60's and 70's story's
Yeah... the budget of the show did not keep up with inflation back then... Its so odd that earlier black and white episodes look "better" nowadays than the 70s-80s stuff...
I still love all of it however :D
This story was particularly shafted by the announcement of a General Election. The competition for studio space cut 2 weeks off the production schedule at a stroke, with the actors and production staff being disappointed with the result.
The 60s "Enemy of the World" had hovercrafts and helicopters. Sad they didn't pump more money into Doctor Who in the 80s.
I couldn't disagree more. The effects in episodes such as "Paradise Towers" was absolutely woeful. The monster was just a couple of cheap neon lights. Maybe they should have kept the monster hidden like Ridley Scott did in "Alien".
Shakesperean level of dialogue, if I've ever heard it... 😮
I think the sea devils look goofy to put it politely, but those outfits are on point.
1:14 (In the background) "Oi sea devil watch where your going"
I got this on VHS.
No creature is blinking.
I loved this episode. Very eerie like the pertwee episodes. They always scared me. Well. The sea devils are. Not so much the silurians. 😎
"Skooch over, Tloxyll !"
Are you sure they're lizard people? they look more like fish people...
The one speaking is descended from a land-based reptilian organism, whereas the ones in armour in the back are descended from aquatic reptilian organisms
Yes thanks Quinn I did get that xD
I dont really understand why they kept the designs of all the aliens except this one for new Who, there was nothing wrong with it and at least they didnt just look like humans with scales on thier faces, the new look is a definite step down really and they alos lost the weapon thing on thier head.
Why didn't they go with something like this for the new Silurians? The flashing light in the head indicate speech is a bit too Dalek like, but at least the design is close to the original concept, unlike the atrocity they committed when they recreated them for the new series.
The new series ones are a different family. By no means good, but not the same.
I might be biased. But I think the Nuwho design isn't bad. I mean I wouldn't mind a something similar to this old design.
Oopsy! Rubber mask popping out of suit at 2:40 :)
2:40
I actually like this story. I miss the original design of the silurians so much better then the newer design.
Sea Devils bumping into each other at 1:17
So like, do the Silurians wear shirts with a big spiny backbone design on them or is that like a shell?
Watch this story and count how many times ichtar says "excellent!!"
1:37 Sea Devil: O RLY
so this is relevant more than ever now
Nah
This story's message is basically just "war and violence is bad, so be the better person by just letting the enemy kill you all!"
It's just the deranged rantings of a suicide cult.
I tried liking this story once but the Dr Who Police came round to my house and confiscated my television set. 😢
Now that is a Silurian, dammit!
2:18 did Johnny Bryne just Godwin his OWN script?!
Though the make up has improved greatly, I will always prefer these silurians.
The silurians in this somehow feel worse than when we first met them in design and especially the voice all things considered we should of just had the Sea Devils return.
Funny how the story from the 70's (1000x better) has better make up FX than the one from the 80's
The Silurians were creepy
Did Jonathon Ross do the voices for some of these guys
Sea Devils are related to but are not the same as Silurians.
I like the Sea Devils Armour
Gah, that modulated high-pitched voice on the Silurians is hurting my ears.
I found this story/episodes scary as a kid now I just laugh especially the absurd sea monster and that stupid woman karate kicking it, I almost died of laughter
That karate scene was bloody awful.
Silurian Security...
clumsy Silurians at 1:15
Unpopular opinion, but I like, the new silurians. Though I’m glad they’re keeping much of the classic look of the Sea Devils!
I like that in an effort to kind of bridge the gap, they had the new Silurians wear masks that were reminiscent of the original design.
I find them very lazily designed to be frank. And completely miss the whole point of the original message behind them.
I've watched the Story The Silurians and the leader the Third Doctor tries to mediate with is killed by another Silurian who takes command and his aim is to destroy all humanity.Is Warriors Of The Deep implying the original leader actually survived somehow or am I missing something,?
It makes no sense. The story is a horrid continuity mess. A write-off.
I don't understand how they managed to make the Silurians look worse than from ten years before
Maybe that's the nostalgia talking. I like the writing more though.
Can someone please tell me why everyone hates this story. I honestly can't see a problem with it and usually I am very good at finding problems with stories. But then again I also don't see a problem with the Silurian redesign so maybe I have a blind spot when it comes to the Silurians.
Everyone usually hates it for its production faults.
I personally hate it because the writers clearly don't have a clue what they're doing with this 'war story', to the point of it being a complete insult to the topic. All they manage is to have the Doctor preaching a load of moronic, morally confused suicidal pacifist drivel, and then has to quickly contrive ways to kill off everyone sane enough to disagree with him, just so it can say it's made a point.
Grade didn't cancel the show soon enough.
Lizbian. I like that. :)
That Silurian looks like it's had a stroke the side of it's face is not moveing poor thing.
There should have been another way...
Despite what I've said I prefere The Sea Devils and Doctor Who and The Silurians
No. They were Silurians.
No, it completely ignores the principals of Taxonomy.
The history of the Silurians makes no sense in every possible way so attempting to make things more accurate is meaningless and utterly futile anyway.
Anyway, I really liked Warriors of the Deep even though everyone else hates it. The Myrka was pathetic, the lighting was rubbish and you could tell the Sea Devils couldn't see where they were going, but the story was enjoyable and I have to say I liked it.
There is barely any plot in this until Part Four, such a missed opportunity. I just did a review if anyone wants to check it out.
The story for Warriors is good but the execution is abysmal due to behind the scenes issues and was closed to getting scrapped entirely, looking back it should've been! The Silurians and sea devils in this look like semi disabled Muppets! The robot voice is all wrong for the Silurians, I prefer the human voices used in the new series, fight me! 😉
1:15 the sea devils crash into each other
These were one of the monsters that I actually felt sorry for.....😟😎
Convention cosplay.
Actually it's quite funny to see this mistake, made me smile.
Yes, she and Jenny (her maid) are married.
But I think the correct term is lizbian.
Yo did anyone notice at 1:16 2 of the sea devils bumped each other by accident
I'm sorry, but I just find it hard to believe that that silurian is the same one whom was the leader from the original silurian story. How did that loud insane obnoxious megalomaniac become this incredibly slow moving monotone fish on legs, that of all people is the one giving the speeches about how their "hand of friendship" was denied by the apes? Is he forgetting that he was the one whom always wanted to kill the humans? This was an okay story, but quite a few inconsistencies.
Lol he was the tantrum one?! XD
Oh, yeah I thought he was the reasonable one but now I realize he was the childish immature one that killed the reasonable one that just wanted to kill everyone. Yeah, that hand of friendship line makes no sense since he killed their best chance at diplomatic relations and released a virus.
It's not the same one.
Noooooooo! Tegan has the best pantyhosed legs in the universe! Don't let her leave!
What good episode gets bad rep
2:38
I thought it was a frog.
*Sea Devil
Well...it sounds sciencey-er. I guessed it didn't make sense but I'd rather have that than calling them after the wrong era.
Cold War tensions!
Tip for sci-fi writers; Godwinning in your story usually never works.
Do the Sea Devils have any dialogue in this ep?
A little bit. But just the basic giving/receiving of orders stuff.
@@sadako24 ah I see
It's not a bad story
It's awful.
The BBC should've cancelled the show sooner.
I think we're in the minority with that opinion I'm afraid. I love the new designs, but I suppose they could just be a different sub-species of silurian, like the difference between the two species of silurian in this clip.
They could re-design these species and have them in the new series, that would be cool.
Its stated in the new series the new ones are a different branch so they do address the new look.
They're Sea Devils not another species of Silurian.
So bad, it makes Jodie's era look good.
It's not a great story, but it doesn't deserve the levels of hate. People putting it in the bottom 10 is laughable.
The biggest problem with it is clear to see in this clip. The direction is terrible, and the whole thing is just far too brightly lit. Bright lighting and some of the worst set design and costuming in Davisons era was always going to be a bad mix.
Saying bad direction and bright lighting is the problem with this story, is like saying the grainy footage is the 'problem' with an Al Qaeda video.
The rot goes far deeper than that.
they looked like crap back in the day