BLEM BCM upper. BLEM Aero lower. Aero parts kit, no FCG or grip. BCM mil spec buffer tube assembly and stock. BCM pistol grip. Geissele G2S. If you are patient and get everything on sale, you’re all in for roughly $1,000. It’s amazing the value you can get for your money these days.
@@Rubeless I’m not gonna act like the economy is in great shape, my grocery bill has tripled in the last year two, but guns are more affordable now than they have ever been.
@@Gnolomwebcitrus fruit and chickens we’ve got down. Got about 30 jars of homemade mullberry, raspberry, strawberry, and peach jam that my wife’s been cranking out. We do our own bread, and I hunt. Still doesn’t cover everything. Groceries are $300 a month for a family of 4, even with all of that
@@TheCamaro5 $664 I believe. Same price as the standards with free BCG. Once you start adding custom charging handles and muzzle devices though the price goes up
I realized I was poor when he said the standard upper was around $700, then I did fast math to add in all additional parts necessary and I was already over $2000. Guess I’ll stick with my slingshot and for now...
Its true though. Amazing price, ELW barrel is really good! I got 1.25in groups from my BCM with super vel 55gr training ammo. I'm super impressed, the upper has been reliable with over a thousand rounds through it.
@@MrShortanswer1k rounds IS NOT A LOT. Every rifle should maintain decent accuracy at 1000 rounds or even slightly over. Talk to us when you hit 10k or some shit...
For the 95% of buyers out there that shoot less than 500 rounds a year. Buy the PSA and an armorer's wrench, better yet get the PSA upper without a BCG/CH and buy a blem Toolcraft BCG and a blem Radian Raptor. Get it home, take it completely apart and reassemble it, if you find any unresolvable issues, contact PSA's warranty. There you go, now BCM's QC is no longer an advantage and you're not paying twice as much for a chrome lined barrel and a logo. Also, since you shoot less than 500 rounds per year, your barrel will still last 4-6 years and you can upgrade it to a higher quality barrel when the time comes.
Lol the average person isn't going to be able to do anywhere near the qc bcm does to it's guns. Simply taking it apart and putting it back together isn't even scratching the surface. Watch the bcm qc video on UA-cam. They are using many diff tools and gauges/bore scopes etc to inspect their shit
@marklower007 The argument isn't whether or not the average person can do those HPI/MP inspections on the barrel. The QC I was talking about was to make sure the gun would shoot reliably. This is a video about value builds, lets face it, value builds usually are because the buyer is tight on budget and don't have much if any owned kit. For under $1000 you could have a PSA upper ($250) with a blem toolcraft BCG ($75), blem Radian Raptor ($65) and a Aero lower ($70) with an Aero LPK ($90). Then throw in 10 PMags ($125), a Sig Romeo 5 ($110), a TREX Sling ($60) and a HLX light ($130). All-in you're about the same price as the BCM upper with a BCG and a charging handle, obviously the BCM is higher quality and an actual duty grade rifle, that's not refuted. But if it comes down to someone being able to afford a complete rifle ready to shoot, the PSA opens the door to a lot more people.
I've tested LaRue triggers, they aren't as consistent as Geissele when it comes to what you get out of the packaging. It's easy to prefer a cheaper trigger if you get a good one, but we have multiple of each and Geissele is always the same. Consistently fantastic.
@@brandon.wombat well for what a G costs that's expected wouldn't you say? But for half the price a larue offers a good 2 stage that's perfectly adequate. And the video is concerning the best bang for your buck. A geissele is not that. You're paying premium for premium.
@_JEBUS that's why I opened with this being an opinionated conversation lol I also don't think any trigger comes close to Geisseles reset. Usually, triggers have a good break OR a good reset, Geissele has both.
@@brandon.wombat I've never experienced any discernible inconsistency in any of my MBT-2S and I've got them installed on 3 different rifles. 2 with the heavy spring and 1 with the light spring. Other than the spring itself, I don't see what would cause any issues. That said, I don't own any Geissele triggers and have a hard time believing they're worth 2-3x the price of something like the MBT-2S. One of these days I need to buy one or two of them , maybe a G2S and an SSA-E and see if they're actually worth that much or they've just mastered the placebo effect.
Yeah. The AR you own is worth infinitely more than the one you wish you could afford. You can always save for something better once you secure that first one and get out to the range.
I tell everyone who’s looking to get an AR to go with BCM. If they have a little extra and really want to spring for something a little better I point to the Black Friday sale on the Geissele Super Duty. It comes in around 16-1700 clams. Also, the LaRue MBT2S is a pretty damn good trigger for the price, and THE definition of value. It’s not an SSAE-X, but it’s a third of the cost..
It would be great if you did a video on AR parts to stock up on. Something that covers what will break first on this rifle and what we need to have to keep it running.
Bolts, gas rings, extractor and good colt or springco springs to go with it, commonly lost parts like detents and grip springs, these can also be used to dial in your saftey if you arent happy with it. Gas keys, some screws and a way to stake them along with permatex and a stone can be handy. A few different firing pins to deal with tolerance stacking in bolts and BCGs etc. Going a level above just replacing consumption items, is having the ability to problem solve relatively simple issues as the end user can be incredibly handy.
@@dereksendall6488 if they run Palmetto then they are not my foes, because I run Palmetto and so do all my bros. We bounce on each others JAKLs for hours every night.
@@Gnolomweb Its not a USPSA match. How valuable do you think split times are in a firefight? Guys have been rocking mil spec triggers for decades and its never been an issue.
Best rifle money can buy? Ha.. build sheet challenge accepted below. Sharps skull lower Anderson upper Aero blemished 24 inch barrel Spikes anodized red accents (everywhere) Handguard (the one that’s super sharp that looks super badass like a spike and has extremely sharp angles) Muzzle device- gemtech faux supressor (anodized red) Grip- anything red Stock- red one Sight- ncstar Laser- yes please Flashlight- I got a laser, thanks Trigger- red where the finger goes and also binary duh Foregrip- vertical built in tripod Bcg- red, anodized……. Red Ammo- red tracer Please ask for any info I’ve built 1 gun so I’m pretty seasoned and knowledgeable and can point you in the right direction for the anodized red parts.
I'd say the two best value full rifles are from BCM and PSA, specifically the Sabre line. Also I have to disagree on the best value trigger being Geissele. The PSA Sabre is 90% of the way there while being less than half the price and, if you want a single stage, the Velocity 3lb trigger is phenomal and under $150. Edit: I've finished the video and realized that you seem to not know what value means despite explaining it well in the beginning.
Own many from PSA, Geissle, POF, Christensen Arms, Barrett, Aero, BCM. They all work great. Have built many at work. Pistols, SBRs, DMR's, Varmint Rifles, etc.....all suppressed. He's giving solid advice here.
I agree with most of this. Bcm has blem 14.5” uppers rn for $636.35, add $152 for a surefire mount factory p&w. You can find SSAEs for $160ish on sale occasionally.
Plinking 300 with Eotech all day in that setup. I did swap to colt socom CHF after a few thousand rounds though. Was on my bucket list. Block 2ish style
Pretty similar here for the most part. Upper: BCM 14.5 ELW, SF3P, SOLGW BCG, Raptor CH. Lower: M4E1, G2S, Talon safety, VLTOR A5, Magpul furniture. Optics/Light: Romeo 5, Modlite PLHv2 and button. Just need to get an Eotech setup and I’m “done” hah
@@goataghut5066 What do you consider to be reliable? The 5K hard shooting you see on UA-cam? PSA rifles work just fine for practical purposes. Also, periodical maintenance goes a LONG way in prolonging your rifle's life!
@@goataghut5066 if you or your friends have the tools to do your own QC, you can’t beat the overall price of the Sabre uppers. For $750 you get a CHF barrel with your muzzle device of choice pinned and welded if necessary. MicroBest BCG, Sprinco springs, Radian Raptor LT charging handle, their MLOK rail, or you can get the Geissele Mark VIII for 100 more. Torque things properly, make them replace what they broke, add some Loctite and Rockset, which you’re going to need anyway.
My preference is Geissele or D.D. for a 1,000-ish upper with great barrels, good BCG and options to get them with a Surefire muzzle device. BCM is really great too.
RMR was originally designed to be a rifle optic. They had to change the design when people started putting them on handguns because the battery contacts would mess up with the recoil
A 12.5 PSA upper on APF lower, PSA lower parts kit shoots the hairs off a fleas balls day. Switch to a Ghost 7.5 upper on the same lower it's the same. Having done Colt, Faxon, FN, PSA, AR Stoner, and BCA builds. They have all been a lot of fun and all mine work great. I've the Geissele triggers, and buffers❤️, Rise Armement triggers ❤️, right now I'm ❤️ Breek Arms charging handles. The best way to get the rifle you truly want is to build your own from scratch.
I used AR15 discounts to purchase the parts as they went on sale. I was able to build a pretty sick 13.7 Pin and weld build for DUMMY cheap. Larue MBT trigger should also be the standard BTW
Totally agree, BCM standard products are excellent. I have a MK2 upper with a standard 14.5" barrel. Damn thing shoots more accurately than my 16" Super Duty.
I still think the Daniel defense stripped uppers from Brownells is the best value. Especially for a ELITE upper The M4A1 is a heavy profile barrel, pinned gas block. It’s a phenomenal deal. You can find promo codes for 10% off and they go on sale a few times a year. Excellent value For an ELITE upper I think that’s the best deal around.
i got mine for $700 flat with dd charging handle (all brand new)... just slapped in a microbest BCG and threw it on a lower i had laying around. paid less than BCM $$$ for a DD rifle. I used my savings to buy optics and ammo
I say buy what you can afford, and then tinker around with it later. I just bought a PSA 8.5 upper in .300 Blackout with no charging handle or BCG. It was their daily deal. I think I got it for 189.00. Its actually the first time I have ever got anything from PSA. I threw a Armaspec gas reducing charging handle in it, i think it was around $85. I put a Sons of Liberty BCG in it, $225.00 if I recall correctly, so about $500 for the complete upper....definitely not cheap. I put the upper on an Anderson lower. Timney AR 3lb trigger in the lower. $150.00 for trigger I think. The thing runs like a sewing machine, anything from 125 grain Winchester open tip, to 220 grain federal subs. Now just waiting on my Trash Panda suppressor. I love Bravo Company because they are in the state where I live, and I know a few people who work there. I have several of their stocks, handguards, grips, etc. but their is nothing wrong with spending less, messing around with your gun, making it work, and making it yours. Just my 2 cents
My recommendation is always sionics patrol rifles. The price for value is absolutely unmatched. 4150 chrome lined barrel, Radian CH, Sionics NP3 BCG, great reciever fitment, upgraded 2 stage trigger, 1/8 twist, springco spring. It's a gun thats done out of the box better than anything in its range of 1,300. You can also just get their uppers for around 900 in 11.5, 12.5, 16 inch offerings. Ohh yeah, and that price includes a CH, BCG, and the option for gas port sizing made for supressors. Thats not to take aeay from BCM who also makes very nice guns/uppers. Its just crazy no one talks about sionics who is making outstanding guns.
I recently built a BCM Standard upper with a Stagg Arms lower. My local shop only had a Stagg stripped lower available. Just put a few hundred rounds through it and I love it.
I agree. Geissele themselves will also do really good sales a few times per year. I got my SSA for the same ~$150 this last Black Friday from Geissele's website.
I've settled on a quality CHF barrel, toolcraft BCG and Geissele trigger/Super 42. Aero upper and lower and call it good. This combo has served me well suppressed and dirty.
It's a small detail, but the great thing about the B5 SOPMOD is it has a really long cheek flare. I still prefer the BCM Gunfighter furniture over B5, but it's not always the best option depending on your set up. Something like an ACOG or even a dot/magnifier combo that has a fairly short eye-relief will leave you needing to shorten the LoP on a BCM stock because the cheek flare only runs about 2/3 the length of the stock instead of the whole length like the B5. I just wish the B5's were designed to fit as snugly as the BCM's usually do. Stocks that rattle are annoying af.
You seem to be comparing "Chrome Lined" with "CHF". Most CHF barrels im aware of are Chrome Lined. Also, Stainless is a completely different type of steel than the 4150CMV that most mil-spec and CHF barrels are comprised of. Its much softer making it easy to machine (more accurate in theory) but also softer (reducing barrel life). Comparing the 2 is really apples and oranges. A better comparison would be PSA's cheaper nitride treated vs BCM's Phosphate/Chrome lined CHF or standard barrels. The core steel is theoretically the same, just with a different finish/rifling method.
I think he made that comparison because there’s a slew of barrels out there that are chrome lined but not chf and people are always asking which is better vs the cl chf ones
Value is relative. There’s no reason for someone who shoots less than 1k rounds per year should spend over 1k on a rifle imo. That’s why psa sells so many guns!
Most people will never shoot out a barrel to even matter if its HF or Standard 4150CMV . BA 556N Hanson or BA 223W Hanson Premium Black Series are IMO the best barrels for the money . 135 bucks for Hanson barrel is a no brainer. BCM or Centurion Upper paired with Aero M4E1 , CMT Ambi Controls or Griffin MK2 Ambi Controls Lowers are probably the best values .. Geissele SD3G Trigger is my go too and i love M340DF-T and Rein MICRO 3.0-DF. I run SF X300T-B on my 11.5 . I favor COMPACT lights for sure .. 13.7 or 13.9 Middy is my all around favorite lengths
I’m building my very first rifle I’ve ever owned now, it’s almost done! It’s similar to this setup in some ways. I also went with a BCM upper (11.5 MK2 BFH) but splurged a bit with a radian lower for the full ambi options it offered with the bolt controls through the mag release. I also got a Geissele trigger on sale for 40% off and free shipping at primary arms which covers almost the full cost of the radian sd charging handle. Went with the VLTOR a5 h2 but that might change when I get a suppressor. B5 systems pistol grip and sba4 brace. For the accessories I currently can’t decide between a holosun AEMS or eotech + magnifier. Will also probably be getting a modlite okw or cloud defense light at some point soon. No idea for the sling yet but I’ll figure that out later. I hope to get night vision at some point but I see no point of spending 2k on a laser now if I have no night vision to use it with:( Let me know your thoughts on the build as it’s supposed to function as a general purpose SHTF and home defense rifle.
That's a very solid build @SammyA12! I have a 11.5 suppressed, it works great up close and out to 250m quite well! ( Past 250M, I'm grabbing a 7.62 / .308!) I don't think you'll need to change the A5H2 once you suppress. I own and use both Holosun and Eotech, I really like the Holosun prices over the Eotechs. Both are great! Sling wise I run Blue Force Gear and VTAC slings, love both!
What are your thoughts on the PSA Sabre 14.5"? It comes with the Geissle MK14 rail, FN CHF barrel, Radian Raptor LT charging handle, Hiperfire RBT trigger, and Magpul furniture. Seems like a good buy for $1250.
I built out 2 of these recently one myself and another for a family member. But I did the lowers myself as I already had some blank lowers laying around. I still chose the Sabre lower parts kit as it still a great value for the items included. The 2 uppers have been great. I would recommend going over the cross bolts on the Geissele handguard to make sure they ae torqued to spec 5ft lbs. If you price out all the parts for the upper you will definitely spend more than what PSA charges. If you shoot suppressed you will need to swap out the buffer spring and buffer to a blue SpringCo and a h2 to gas the rifle properly.
I got a 16” BCM with the fixed front sight post and a quad rail for the vibes. It’s a good rifle but that FSP is more annoying than I thought it would be. Wish I went the 14.5” MLOK route
I love my LWRC. I'm quick as hell with it. Got to watch some of the ambis because you can accidentally hit your magazine release I've had problems with a couple of others but I don't with my lwrc. People think you have to get it with the tip of your finger but I just kind of bow my finger in and roll my hand a little bit when I want to lock it back.
Eye relief on the very expensive ACOG, is really short. Primary Arms 3x-5x micro prism are a better value, and they've got a GLX version, with better glass coming, for about 1/4 of the price. They gotta be close to as durable as the acog, and you can get the ACSS reticle in multiple versions. Primary Arms ACSS became so popular, acog licensed a version of it.
You have to start with the use case. This video assumes that everyone who buys an AR-15 is going to be a serious operator who takes a rifle class every month or two and puts thousands of rounds through it every year. Almost no one actually does that (outside their day dreams). We're not all Brandon or Lucas, competing and running a firearms business and GunTube channel.
F the RMR on top, with the dust here in AZ, closed emitter is the way to go. Even if you are not in AZ; rain, snow, mud and open emitters don't go too well together. I think Brandon is spot on with a closed emitter option on top. Just make sure it is rated for g-forces seen on rifle calibers.
NYS guy here.... I initially bought a Diamondback 16" DB15 l(NYS COMPLIANT) and added mods to my liking and does what it's intended for.... proceed to all Aero(builds) in DMR and SBR both in .556 and .308 and ALL went for around $1200 to $1600....with no issues with any of them, and went with my preferences in triggers, furniture and optics.... not costing me over $4K. Keep in mind I'm in the people's republic of NYS where I need these things configured in bolt action to be used with the Kalikey but have spare parts(wink wink) for them to function PROPERLY(again, wink wink)..... bottom line is I found that not spending so money on brands like BCM is possible to get what you need and be budget economical for me..... these thing are literally like LEGOS and we can work with numerous parts..... just sayin.....🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Priorities: I drive a 12 year old shitbox, have the T-MObile free signup phone and can't play half the new PC games that come out on my 8 year old graphics card but I've got a SCAR-17, Elcan, MAWL and a PVS-14 WP thinfilm and a DD Mk18 pistol with a T2 and a DBAL and enough ammo to shoot every weekend. Get your mind right!
A CHF barrel can be chrome lined or not. It has nothing to do with the barrel manufacturing process, just the inside finish. Did I misunderstand what he was saying?
Primary arms sales. 10-13% off pretty much once a month at least. Plus, you can get the upper and lower separately, so you don't have to drop all the money at once. Can allow you to get a better/ more expensive rifle.
I've been noticing issues with the BCM stuff I've bought lately. 2 carriers both with leaky gas keys (leak test performed with oil around the base, bolt inserted in the carrier held back with thumb to create the interior seal, and compressed air filling the carrier key with a rubber tipped air chuck - bubbles form at the base where the oil was applied when leaking, SOLGW M76 lube works best for the test) as well as oversized bolt tail seals resulting in inefficient gas seals between the bolt tail and carrier (reduces how much gas is effectively being uses to open the bolt during unlock, less gas means its likely to stop running sooner when dirty, cold, or with weak ammo.) Also, one of the carriers only has a few thousand rounds and the extractor is already failing my PTG extractor gauge test. P.S. - this isn't necessarily to sway anyone from BCM, but rather I want folks to put some pressure on them if they are slacking and fix whatever issues are going on in QC. Carrier keys are intended to be sealed with Permatex or some sort of gasket sealant per TDP specification, TDP being one of the documents BCM touts as the standard they go by and hold themselves to. If gas keys are coming out of their factory leaking, that's less than optimal and not on brand for BCM (all my PSAs leak..its a total detriment just not as efficient). P.P.S - if you don't think gas leaks matter, I changed a gas key, (stoned sealed and staked) for a friend on a PSA that was leaking, it went from ejecting at 5 o clock with m193 to ejecting at 3 with the same ammo.
Anderson lower with a PSA EPT and lower kit with a SOLGW upper, tool craft Nickol boron BSG and Gieselle super charging handle, BCM buffer tube spring and H1.
A BCM Hammer forged barrel will hold its accuracy right till the end of its life, then fall off in an instant.., A standard chrome lined barrel will slowly degrade over time, IE: you will start at 1.25moa, and by 5k rounds it will be 1.75, by, 10k rounds it will be 2.5moa, by 15k it will be 4moa... Where my current BFH ELW barrel has held 1.1moa with 77otm, and 1.6moa with m193.. from start to the 9k+ rounds that I am at on this barrel.. My standard upper lasted just shy of 18k rounds before its accuracy was gone.. In about 1.5yrs I'll try to remember to come back and give the result of how long the BFH lasted..
One of the most important decisions to be made is about your intended use of the firearm. A vast number of buyers will never do competition shooting. Most are bought for personal protection and defensive scenarios. Most will never even want or need to "acquire" targets over 100 yards away. Unless you have money to burn, a vast majority of mods to increase accuracy are moot points, IMO. I look for things that make my firearms more comfortable to use.. ^ comfort usually equates to ^ accuracy just by nature. It's also pretty easy to over-accessorize a firearm of any type. Add on accessories also add WEIGHT to any firearm, so that should be considered.
Good vid, for the record the biggest difference in running cold hammer vs chrome is the heat dissipation under rapid sustained fire. Iv never shot enough to prove it myself but the rumor/theory is the better you manage heat through the life of the barrel the longer the rifling will wear in an even manor thus keeping consistent performance. The faster you "burn up a barrel" the faster it becomes a cost and in terms of military use (which is where the need to compare comes from) a barrel that lasts 40k+ rounds is more important depending on application than a more accurate, lighter or whatever barrel that only lasts 20k.
Wouldn't a more correct comparison be between chrome lined and nitrided? Cold hammer forged would be more about how the rifling is made, so it would be compared to buttoning?
Very solid, I sold my aero items for a radian and it's worth. I also like how pro 2a radian is compared to aero selling to Leo in their own banned state.
Had the radian SD charging handle snap on me at the front where it attaches to the carrier key. Warrenty took care of it, but im not keeping the replacement
Psa has had the Armalite M153GN18 on sale for 999$ the gun normally sells for 1500 and is worth the 1500 price tag so with how cheap it is on sale and how accurate zero recoil and everything it comes with is just absolutely amazing it's a hidden gem and more people need to see what I'm talking about it has an adjustable gas block rifle length gas adjustable 3 port muzzle break 18 inch ss 416r medium contour barrel timney 3lb single stage trigger luth mba-1 stock ambi radian raptor charging handle ergo deluxe wide grip 15 inch anti rotating m-lock or keymod Handguard very lightweight ambi safty they also come in a 13 inch model or a 308 model only thing I changed on it was added an ambi mag realse
What perfect timing that this video is being posted about best AR-15 for the money. I just accidentally came across a AR-15 at my local 'gun store' aka the best pawn shop in the world that mainly sells guns, lol. It's a Spikes tactical SR-15 rifle that originally costed $1,000 as the base rifle before it was modified. The previous owner added a Cryptic bolt-carrier group ($450), fab defense stock ($75), Radian Raptor charging handle ($120), I forget the trigger brand/model but it was ($300), some cheap holosun red dot ($100), short throw safety selector ($45), Magpul MBUS Pro metal backup sights ($200), custom dust cover with graphics ($75), Daniel Defense MFR handguard 15" ($350), flash forwarding can ($250), Magpul grip ($35). That's $3,000 overall combined MSRP cost for the rifle and all of the parts added. Do you know how much they were selling it for? $599.99 🤑 I bought it immediately after inspecting it myself. Even hypothetically if the barrel was shot out I could cheaply replace it and accurize the barrel and receiver fitment simultaneously for less than $500 making it an $1,100 cost for a $3,000 gun.
@@TheGrimiest that's exactly what I said lol I can't believe some people put such garbage stuff on their weapons. Back when I had my original rifle build I had a $1,800 trijicon scope on my SPR.
@@MyWatchIsEnded I still hold the belief that the Romeo 5 is a solid ass budget red dot. I still swap it around on new guns. Budget optics are fine, but on a nice rifle I don’t get it one bit
I’ve never paid full price for a SSA-E trigger. It’s worth waiting the 2-4 times a year they go on sale, usually around $150-$170 on primary arms around Christmas or 4th of July type holidays.
@@TheUglyBiker42069 Agreed. That's essentially the argument Mark Smith at Four Boxes Diner made for Trump's bump stock ban: he was trying to prevent Dems from passing something worse. Except they didn't have a veto-proof majority in either house of Congress, even with a few RINOs. You could justify doing anything by wildly speculating about some hypothetical thing that would be worse.
@@TheUglyBiker42069 Good to see at least some viewers of this channel not buying into Lucas' apparent desire to get in bed with DD. Kevin Brittingham from Q told an interesting story about old Marty Mcflunky regarding an engineer he hired who had been working for DD. Not that I really like KB either, but it's an interesting story if it's true.
Do NOT expect a BCM to meet your expectations further than 3 or 400 yards. I just rebarrelled the 16" BCM I bought for a LVPO/SPR gun with a Criterion Core barrel because no matter what I put in the BCM it wouldnt shoot better than 2.5moa
@@SIRslipperyasp91 That's a fair comment. As well as these are regarded, and being someone who can/does shoot out to distance, I expected more out of such a well-regarded product. I'll also say that I have a stainless PSA barreled lightweight upper that is MOA with Federal M193. I think I would buy two of those instead of one of the BCM if I were to do it again... A 2.5MOA gun, especially 16" use isn't really interesting to me.
Saying geissele triggers are good value is an absolutely deranged take. I have more geissele triggers than anything else, but the diminishing returns are massive going past $100 on an AR trigger. A surefire can being high value is also insane.
Full price G triggers ain't worth it. Sale down in the $150 range and it's another story. Schmid, heavily rebranded, are excellent for a 1/3 of the price. Yet for smoothness I'd give the win to the Geissel2 SSA. I really want to try the SOLGW 2 stage made by Schmid next.
Larue mbt 2s is the best top tier budget trigger. You can get them in sale for just under 100 and they rock. The new PSA saber enhanced trigger is also very good. It is just a schmid trigger but with different coating and springs. Mine breaks at 2.5lbs and breaks very clean.
I am 99% sure that the rmr is not a pistol sight... it was a backup/closeup option for rifles. This is why the fireproof is wider than most slides.... it is not designed to go on a slide. The HD and SRO are pistol sights which is why the hold up better to slide top use better than the gen one rmr.
Geissele is a great value during sales events like Black Friday and 4th of July. You can save a TON of money during these events. Same with their triggers and pretty much everything they sell.
14.5 bcm blem upper on andro corp lower is what I'm running. Added matching bcm furniture, geiselle trigger, radian charging handle, surefire warcomp, and rein 3.0 light. Optic is gen 4 PA slx 1 to 6 acss nova
I have a ATI Milsport lower, Ballistic Advantage 8.5 300blk upper, Cryptic NiBo BCG, and Jacob Grey Muzzle, and Sig red dot with magnifier, works great!
Bcm upper and bcg with a aero lower … larue flat trigger or a solgw flat trigger ( aero lower parts kit or cmmg) your choise around tube and stock plus grip . Magpul probirons boom now your basic rifles made … swap the bcm upper for an aero upper but buy the bcg away from aero
I kinda wanna just have this guy build me this gun. My god this topic is confounding. I just sit with my Glock 19 and 1000 rounds of HST and hope it’s enough. (Grandpa guns too)
SSA or ssaE Essentially the E is just a bit light pull, maybe better for SPR or DMR rifle, but a general purpose or CQB I love SSA triggers worth the money. Black Friday is usually good time to get em for 100 bucks off😊
I put together an aero upper with a criterion hybrid profile mid gas barrel with the headspaced bolt, and it's the most accurate upper I've ever owned. I used a bcm gas block and pinned it to the barrel, and I've never had a single malfunction. I do keep it pretty clean and well oiled though.
BCM BFH midlength with FSB. Radian Charging handle. Midwest Industries mid-length drop in handguard, either M-Lok or Pic. Streamlight pro-tac 2.0 light. Palmetto State Armory complete lower with whatever furniture you want, milspec trigger.
Garand thumb doing the 7k burn down on the psa and from what I remeber not having a lug or firing pin break makes the argument about price not necessarily valid. That being said do what you want, it's your money.
I agree with at least 90-95%.... As far as optics go, I'd probably rather run an LPVO with probably an offset red dot. With that being said, I run a lot of red dots on my rifles, mainly the more budget friendly options. Vortex (SPARC II & SPARC AR), Holosun (403R, 503R & AEMS), Sig (Romeo 5's), ect... I also like the Trijicon MRO so far. But I really wouldn't consider an ACOG a budget friendly optic. Well.... I guess it really depends on what your budget is.... 🤷. But FYI the original RMR's weren't pistol optics, they were small (Rugged Miniature Red Dots or Reflex sights) they were originally designed to go onto rifles as a reflex sight. It wasn't until later when guys started milling or having their slides milled and then mounted to them. The RMR Type 2 was designed to be mounted on pistols now but they're still utilized on rifles as a secondary sighting system. But I am a huge fan of Aero Precision/Ballistic Advantage, and I do like BCM along with Midwest Industries.
BLEM BCM upper. BLEM Aero lower. Aero parts kit, no FCG or grip. BCM mil spec buffer tube assembly and stock. BCM pistol grip. Geissele G2S. If you are patient and get everything on sale, you’re all in for roughly $1,000. It’s amazing the value you can get for your money these days.
Bidennomics
@@Rubeless I’m not gonna act like the economy is in great shape, my grocery bill has tripled in the last year two, but guns are more affordable now than they have ever been.
@@namniag lol, imagine not having bees, chickens, goats and a garden w/ citrus trees and fruit trees by now.... YIKES.
What about the geissele psa Sabre upper? Thoughts?
@@Gnolomwebcitrus fruit and chickens we’ve got down. Got about 30 jars of homemade mullberry, raspberry, strawberry, and peach jam that my wife’s been cranking out. We do our own bread, and I hunt. Still doesn’t cover everything. Groceries are $300 a month for a family of 4, even with all of that
I’ll buy “blem” BCMs til the day I die.
Same, wait for the MK2’s to go on sale again to snatch one 😂
@@djrobinson8859 what did the mk2 go for ?
The free bcg makes it a no brainer.
@@TheCamaro5 $664 I believe. Same price as the standards with free BCG. Once you start adding custom charging handles and muzzle devices though the price goes up
@@djrobinson8859 man thats a great deal.
I realized i was poor when he said not a lot of money in reference to an ACOG and RMR
I realized I was poor when he said the standard upper was around $700, then I did fast math to add in all additional parts necessary and I was already over $2000. Guess I’ll stick with my slingshot and for now...
LOL I thought you realized you were poor at the checkstand of the grocery store thanks to Bidenomics.
@@jimjones9239yeah but at least he didn't step down on gun laws like your daddy
My guess… BCM
Agreed
I was thinking BCM or a PSA SABRE.
Its true though. Amazing price, ELW barrel is really good! I got 1.25in groups from my BCM with super vel 55gr training ammo. I'm super impressed, the upper has been reliable with over a thousand rounds through it.
@@MrShortanswer1k rounds IS NOT A LOT. Every rifle should maintain decent accuracy at 1000 rounds or even slightly over. Talk to us when you hit 10k or some shit...
FN is better for the money. Js
A lot of people forget that buying stuff on sale and blems can safe a lot of money.
Literally everyone knows that. But what a lot of people don’t know is the difference between “save” and “safe.”
@@OFFICIALUND haha just noticed that my bad I was driving
I bought 5 or 6 BCM blem lowers and have never even found the blems. Doesn't matter any way as it's a tool and mine get rattle canned anyway.
@@dustyrhodes1655 yeah I bought a DD upper on sale and on top of that used a discount code for it and got it for like 700 bucks
Texting while driving very good sir! @@JAM20627
For the 95% of buyers out there that shoot less than 500 rounds a year. Buy the PSA and an armorer's wrench, better yet get the PSA upper without a BCG/CH and buy a blem Toolcraft BCG and a blem Radian Raptor. Get it home, take it completely apart and reassemble it, if you find any unresolvable issues, contact PSA's warranty. There you go, now BCM's QC is no longer an advantage and you're not paying twice as much for a chrome lined barrel and a logo. Also, since you shoot less than 500 rounds per year, your barrel will still last 4-6 years and you can upgrade it to a higher quality barrel when the time comes.
I agree.
Absolutely the best response ever
Lol the average person isn't going to be able to do anywhere near the qc bcm does to it's guns. Simply taking it apart and putting it back together isn't even scratching the surface. Watch the bcm qc video on UA-cam. They are using many diff tools and gauges/bore scopes etc to inspect their shit
@marklower007 The argument isn't whether or not the average person can do those HPI/MP inspections on the barrel. The QC I was talking about was to make sure the gun would shoot reliably. This is a video about value builds, lets face it, value builds usually are because the buyer is tight on budget and don't have much if any owned kit. For under $1000 you could have a PSA upper ($250) with a blem toolcraft BCG ($75), blem Radian Raptor ($65) and a Aero lower ($70) with an Aero LPK ($90). Then throw in 10 PMags ($125), a Sig Romeo 5 ($110), a TREX Sling ($60) and a HLX light ($130). All-in you're about the same price as the BCM upper with a BCG and a charging handle, obviously the BCM is higher quality and an actual duty grade rifle, that's not refuted. But if it comes down to someone being able to afford a complete rifle ready to shoot, the PSA opens the door to a lot more people.
@@phobiargSuper solid take for those of us that are lower bougie class
If you're talking budget and value it's crazy to recommend a geissele over larue. Paying 2x the money for a slightly better trigger.
I've tested LaRue triggers, they aren't as consistent as Geissele when it comes to what you get out of the packaging. It's easy to prefer a cheaper trigger if you get a good one, but we have multiple of each and Geissele is always the same. Consistently fantastic.
@@brandon.wombat well for what a G costs that's expected wouldn't you say? But for half the price a larue offers a good 2 stage that's perfectly adequate. And the video is concerning the best bang for your buck. A geissele is not that. You're paying premium for premium.
@_JEBUS that's why I opened with this being an opinionated conversation lol I also don't think any trigger comes close to Geisseles reset. Usually, triggers have a good break OR a good reset, Geissele has both.
@@brandon.wombat I've never experienced any discernible inconsistency in any of my MBT-2S and I've got them installed on 3 different rifles. 2 with the heavy spring and 1 with the light spring. Other than the spring itself, I don't see what would cause any issues.
That said, I don't own any Geissele triggers and have a hard time believing they're worth 2-3x the price of something like the MBT-2S.
One of these days I need to buy one or two of them , maybe a G2S and an SSA-E and see if they're actually worth that much or they've just mastered the placebo effect.
I got my SSAE for $100, i know its the best geis but ill takee that all day for 100.
The best AR is the one your money can buy…
Yeah. The AR you own is worth infinitely more than the one you wish you could afford.
You can always save for something better once you secure that first one and get out to the range.
The best ar is the one you can afford and is reliable.
I tell everyone who’s looking to get an AR to go with BCM. If they have a little extra and really want to spring for something a little better I point to the Black Friday sale on the Geissele Super Duty. It comes in around 16-1700 clams.
Also, the LaRue MBT2S is a pretty damn good trigger for the price, and THE definition of value. It’s not an SSAE-X, but it’s a third of the cost..
It would be great if you did a video on AR parts to stock up on. Something that covers what will break first on this rifle and what we need to have to keep it running.
Bolts, firing pins, gas rings, charging handles
Bolts, gas rings, extractor and good colt or springco springs to go with it, commonly lost parts like detents and grip springs, these can also be used to dial in your saftey if you arent happy with it.
Gas keys, some screws and a way to stake them along with permatex and a stone can be handy.
A few different firing pins to deal with tolerance stacking in bolts and BCGs etc.
Going a level above just replacing consumption items, is having the ability to problem solve relatively simple issues as the end user can be incredibly handy.
No need to stock up on parts when you can just stock up on the rifles of your fallen foes. 🎉
@roundearthshill248 lol what if your foes all have palmetto?
@@dereksendall6488 if they run Palmetto then they are not my foes, because I run Palmetto and so do all my bros. We bounce on each others JAKLs for hours every night.
I'll take the saving and performance of the LaRue MBT triggers
Have you compared your split times on each trigger with the same host?
@@Gnolomweb Its not a USPSA match. How valuable do you think split times are in a firefight? Guys have been rocking mil spec triggers for decades and its never been an issue.
such a bad trigger tbh
@@elcidcampeador9629 sooooo, youre saying you have NOT compared your slitz then. cool.
Damn straight!
Best rifle money can buy? Ha.. build sheet challenge accepted below.
Sharps skull lower
Anderson upper
Aero blemished 24 inch barrel
Spikes anodized red accents (everywhere)
Handguard (the one that’s super sharp that looks super badass like a spike and has extremely sharp angles)
Muzzle device- gemtech faux supressor (anodized red)
Grip- anything red
Stock- red one
Sight- ncstar
Laser- yes please
Flashlight- I got a laser, thanks
Trigger- red where the finger goes and also binary duh
Foregrip- vertical built in tripod
Bcg- red, anodized……. Red
Ammo- red tracer
Please ask for any info I’ve built 1 gun so I’m pretty seasoned and knowledgeable and can point you in the right direction for the anodized red parts.
I'd say the two best value full rifles are from BCM and PSA, specifically the Sabre line. Also I have to disagree on the best value trigger being Geissele. The PSA Sabre is 90% of the way there while being less than half the price and, if you want a single stage, the Velocity 3lb trigger is phenomal and under $150.
Edit: I've finished the video and realized that you seem to not know what value means despite explaining it well in the beginning.
Own many from PSA, Geissle, POF, Christensen Arms, Barrett, Aero, BCM. They all work great. Have built many at work. Pistols, SBRs, DMR's, Varmint Rifles, etc.....all suppressed. He's giving solid advice here.
So you believe the BCM is three times better than the PSA. How? Accuracy?
I agree with most of this. Bcm has blem 14.5” uppers rn for $636.35, add $152 for a surefire mount factory p&w. You can find SSAEs for $160ish on sale occasionally.
Can you also do a video of the best groceries I can afford to give a more realistic account of the times.
There are meal prep videos that get you down to $3 a meal for burger meat, veggies, and seasoning on rice.
Aldi, Lidl, Big Lots, Sam's Club, Costco.
Beans n rice ... bulk 😅
Cat food !
That's an acquired taste. @@peterlivingston8155
I'm 9 seconds in and I'm already in the comments section shilling for a PSA lower and a BCM upper.
Why not go full PSA? BCM is pretty much the same IMO
@@bradyclark7185 WRONG
A bcm with a sabre lower is the way to go.
I'm going Anderson lower, don't believe the keyboard warriors.
Why not a full Ambi lower with a bcm upper
I have been running BCM uppers on stripped Palmetto lowers built up with Wilson parts kits. They run great.
Plinking 300 with Eotech all day in that setup. I did swap to colt socom CHF after a few thousand rounds though. Was on my bucket list. Block 2ish style
Excellent video! Thank you Brandon! The parts overview of both the upper and lower is extremely helpful.
WOW you really know your stuff !! I'm very impressed with your sensibility and trustworthiness. Thank you .
Pretty similar here for the most part.
Upper: BCM 14.5 ELW, SF3P, SOLGW BCG, Raptor CH. Lower: M4E1, G2S, Talon safety, VLTOR A5, Magpul furniture. Optics/Light: Romeo 5, Modlite PLHv2 and button.
Just need to get an Eotech setup and I’m “done” hah
I watched many AR vids and yours is clear, informative and honest, thank you!
I love my 12.5 DD upper and my 16 Fn carbine upper. Gets the job done no complaints, both chf.
PSA for a cheap, reliable option.
BCM for overall quality.
PSA being reliable is laughable.
@@goataghut5066 What do you consider to be reliable? The 5K hard shooting you see on UA-cam? PSA rifles work just fine for practical purposes. Also, periodical maintenance goes a LONG way in prolonging your rifle's life!
@@goataghut5066 if you or your friends have the tools to do your own QC, you can’t beat the overall price of the Sabre uppers. For $750 you get a CHF barrel with your muzzle device of choice pinned and welded if necessary. MicroBest BCG, Sprinco springs, Radian Raptor LT charging handle, their MLOK rail, or you can get the Geissele Mark VIII for 100 more. Torque things properly, make them replace what they broke, add some Loctite and Rockset, which you’re going to need anyway.
Just picked up a bcm mk2 upper and omg what a difference in quality
Keep in mind when he’s talking about barrels what he’s talking about is button rifled vs cold hammer forged. They’re both chrome lined.
My preference is Geissele or D.D. for a 1,000-ish upper with great barrels, good BCG and options to get them with a Surefire muzzle device. BCM is really great too.
Standard blem BCM is $636, and you can get it shipped with a Surefire pinned, so the value there is still incredible
@@namniag The only thing DD has going for it over BCM is the handguard. They also continue to use the obsolete gubment profile barrel.
RMR was originally designed to be a rifle optic. They had to change the design when people started putting them on handguns because the battery contacts would mess up with the recoil
Who wastes more money golf guys or AR guys?
I’ve had my BCM 14.5” midlength and BCG for 12 years. I wouldn’t change a thing!
This video doesn't have the views it deserves. Great job guys.
A 12.5 PSA upper on APF lower, PSA lower parts kit shoots the hairs off a fleas balls day. Switch to a Ghost 7.5 upper on the same lower it's the same. Having done Colt, Faxon, FN, PSA, AR Stoner, and BCA builds. They have all been a lot of fun and all mine work great. I've the Geissele triggers, and buffers❤️, Rise Armement triggers ❤️, right now I'm ❤️ Breek Arms charging handles. The best way to get the rifle you truly want is to build your own from scratch.
I used AR15 discounts to purchase the parts as they went on sale. I was able to build a pretty sick 13.7 Pin and weld build for DUMMY cheap.
Larue MBT trigger should also be the standard BTW
Totally agree, BCM standard products are excellent. I have a MK2 upper with a standard 14.5" barrel. Damn thing shoots more accurately than my 16" Super Duty.
I still think the Daniel defense stripped uppers from Brownells is the best value. Especially for a ELITE upper
The M4A1 is a heavy profile barrel, pinned gas block. It’s a phenomenal deal. You can find promo codes for 10% off and they go on sale a few times a year. Excellent value
For an ELITE upper I think that’s the best deal around.
i got mine for $700 flat with dd charging handle (all brand new)... just slapped in a microbest BCG and threw it on a lower i had laying around. paid less than BCM $$$ for a DD rifle. I used my savings to buy optics and ammo
@@th-mo8fq yea I think mine was $699 plus an additional 10% off so it was like $630
And I already had everything else I needed
@@CannonCountry someone I knew bought it brand new and never used because they preferred mlok lol another man’s treasure
Who the hell wants a heavy profile barrel? You have a 3rd hole in your lower?
@@buzby80 I like BCM and would get one, i just wouldn’t choose one over something that was actually used by special forces.
I say buy what you can afford, and then tinker around with it later. I just bought a PSA 8.5 upper in .300 Blackout with no charging handle or BCG. It was their daily deal. I think I got it for 189.00. Its actually the first time I have ever got anything from PSA. I threw a Armaspec gas reducing charging handle in it, i think it was around $85. I put a Sons of Liberty BCG in it, $225.00 if I recall correctly, so about $500 for the complete upper....definitely not cheap. I put the upper on an Anderson lower. Timney AR 3lb trigger in the lower. $150.00 for trigger I think. The thing runs like a sewing machine, anything from 125 grain Winchester open tip, to 220 grain federal subs. Now just waiting on my Trash Panda suppressor.
I love Bravo Company because they are in the state where I live, and I know a few people who work there. I have several of their stocks, handguards, grips, etc. but their is nothing wrong with spending less, messing around with your gun, making it work, and making it yours. Just my 2 cents
I’m 3 for 3 on Anderson Lowers. Last one was $50 with no out of spec issues
did you actually measure them? if you didnt, then you can't say there are no out of spec issues
@@rondobrondo I can't speak for jobe1911, but I personally have measured and gauged multiple Anderson lowers, and they are to TDP specifications!
My recommendation is always sionics patrol rifles. The price for value is absolutely unmatched. 4150 chrome lined barrel, Radian CH, Sionics NP3 BCG, great reciever fitment, upgraded 2 stage trigger, 1/8 twist, springco spring. It's a gun thats done out of the box better than anything in its range of 1,300.
You can also just get their uppers for around 900 in 11.5, 12.5, 16 inch offerings. Ohh yeah, and that price includes a CH, BCG, and the option for gas port sizing made for supressors. Thats not to take aeay from BCM who also makes very nice guns/uppers. Its just crazy no one talks about sionics who is making outstanding guns.
You can find complete rifles for 950ish, and complete uppers for around 650 when Sionics is doing sales as well.
Chopped my colt to 13.7 pinned a while back and it’s perfect for me
I recently built a BCM Standard upper with a Stagg Arms lower. My local shop only had a Stagg stripped lower available. Just put a few hundred rounds through it and I love it.
Stag has built great stuff for a long time!
Primary arms has Geiselle triggers for ~$150 about 5-8 times per year. There is no reason to buy a different trigger.
I use larue mbt2s in my guns. Got some before they went up in price. I find them to be just as good compared to my ssa
I agree. Geissele themselves will also do really good sales a few times per year. I got my SSA for the same ~$150 this last Black Friday from Geissele's website.
That's more expensive than a Rise Armament 2.5lb trigger any day
@@bradyclark7185 its better too
@@bradyclark7185junk triggers, my buddies rise armament drops the hammer on trigger reset.
I've settled on a quality CHF barrel, toolcraft BCG and Geissele trigger/Super 42. Aero upper and lower and call it good. This combo has served me well suppressed and dirty.
It still amazes me guys running 200 meter shorter rifles with so many devices attached….
Agreed, the gun and accessories companies love people like them.
@@ba2724 Sgt. Elias: You’re humping too much shit. Can this..can this….you don’t need this…..
You’re talking about people running 5.56 under 10.3” right? Because MK18s can reach 300+ easily
It's a small detail, but the great thing about the B5 SOPMOD is it has a really long cheek flare.
I still prefer the BCM Gunfighter furniture over B5, but it's not always the best option depending on your set up.
Something like an ACOG or even a dot/magnifier combo that has a fairly short eye-relief will leave you needing to shorten the LoP on a BCM stock because the cheek flare only runs about 2/3 the length of the stock instead of the whole length like the B5. I just wish the B5's were designed to fit as snugly as the BCM's usually do. Stocks that rattle are annoying af.
You seem to be comparing "Chrome Lined" with "CHF". Most CHF barrels im aware of are Chrome Lined. Also, Stainless is a completely different type of steel than the 4150CMV that most mil-spec and CHF barrels are comprised of. Its much softer making it easy to machine (more accurate in theory) but also softer (reducing barrel life). Comparing the 2 is really apples and oranges. A better comparison would be PSA's cheaper nitride treated vs BCM's Phosphate/Chrome lined CHF or standard barrels. The core steel is theoretically the same, just with a different finish/rifling method.
He IS comparing BCM’s standard (chrome lined) and CHF barrels. The whole discussion is the 2 BCM barrels they offer on their site.
I think he made that comparison because there’s a slew of barrels out there that are chrome lined but not chf and people are always asking which is better vs the cl chf ones
I just received my Zion-15 from IWI, $874 at buds. I can imagine better value under $1000.
Value is relative. There’s no reason for someone who shoots less than 1k rounds per year should spend over 1k on a rifle imo. That’s why psa sells so many guns!
Most people will never shoot out a barrel to even matter if its HF or Standard 4150CMV .
BA 556N Hanson or BA 223W Hanson Premium Black Series are IMO the best barrels for the money . 135 bucks for Hanson barrel is a no brainer.
BCM or Centurion Upper paired with Aero M4E1 , CMT Ambi Controls or Griffin MK2 Ambi Controls Lowers are probably the best values ..
Geissele SD3G Trigger is my go too and i love M340DF-T and Rein MICRO 3.0-DF. I run SF X300T-B on my 11.5 . I favor COMPACT lights for sure ..
13.7 or 13.9 Middy is my all around favorite lengths
I’m all about having a nice KAC, make it shine by giving it that ol hawk tuah!
😂 dated ❤
I’m building my very first rifle I’ve ever owned now, it’s almost done! It’s similar to this setup in some ways. I also went with a BCM upper (11.5 MK2 BFH) but splurged a bit with a radian lower for the full ambi options it offered with the bolt controls through the mag release. I also got a Geissele trigger on sale for 40% off and free shipping at primary arms which covers almost the full cost of the radian sd charging handle. Went with the VLTOR a5 h2 but that might change when I get a suppressor. B5 systems pistol grip and sba4 brace. For the accessories I currently can’t decide between a holosun AEMS or eotech + magnifier. Will also probably be getting a modlite okw or cloud defense light at some point soon. No idea for the sling yet but I’ll figure that out later. I hope to get night vision at some point but I see no point of spending 2k on a laser now if I have no night vision to use it with:(
Let me know your thoughts on the build as it’s supposed to function as a general purpose SHTF and home defense rifle.
That's a very solid build @SammyA12!
I have a 11.5 suppressed, it works great up close and out to 250m quite well! ( Past 250M, I'm grabbing a 7.62 / .308!)
I don't think you'll need to change the A5H2 once you suppress.
I own and use both Holosun and Eotech, I really like the Holosun prices over the Eotechs. Both are great!
Sling wise I run Blue Force Gear and VTAC slings, love both!
Ferro Concepts makes a great sling.
What are your thoughts on the PSA Sabre 14.5"? It comes with the Geissle MK14 rail, FN CHF barrel, Radian Raptor LT charging handle, Hiperfire RBT trigger, and Magpul furniture. Seems like a good buy for $1250.
I built out 2 of these recently one myself and another for a family member. But I did the lowers myself as I already had some blank lowers laying around. I still chose the Sabre lower parts kit as it still a great value for the items included. The 2 uppers have been great. I would recommend going over the cross bolts on the Geissele handguard to make sure they ae torqued to spec 5ft lbs. If you price out all the parts for the upper you will definitely spend more than what PSA charges. If you shoot suppressed you will need to swap out the buffer spring and buffer to a blue SpringCo and a h2 to gas the rifle properly.
I got a 16” BCM with the fixed front sight post and a quad rail for the vibes. It’s a good rifle but that FSP is more annoying than I thought it would be. Wish I went the 14.5” MLOK route
My LWRC DI is great. I think it’s better then bcm and Daniel defense.
LWRC DI is probably the best complete rifle for the money.
I love my LWRC. I'm quick as hell with it. Got to watch some of the ambis because you can accidentally hit your magazine release I've had problems with a couple of others but I don't with my lwrc. People think you have to get it with the tip of your finger but I just kind of bow my finger in and roll my hand a little bit when I want to lock it back.
Eye relief on the very expensive ACOG, is really short. Primary Arms 3x-5x micro prism are a better value, and they've got a GLX version, with better glass coming, for about 1/4 of the price. They gotta be close to as durable as the acog, and you can get the ACSS reticle in multiple versions. Primary Arms ACSS became so popular, acog licensed a version of it.
You have to start with the use case. This video assumes that everyone who buys an AR-15 is going to be a serious operator who takes a rifle class every month or two and puts thousands of rounds through it every year. Almost no one actually does that (outside their day dreams). We're not all Brandon or Lucas, competing and running a firearms business and GunTube channel.
The targeted audience is both, high round count shooters and the low round count shooters.
F the RMR on top, with the dust here in AZ, closed emitter is the way to go. Even if you are not in AZ; rain, snow, mud and open emitters don't go too well together. I think Brandon is spot on with a closed emitter option on top. Just make sure it is rated for g-forces seen on rifle calibers.
A value-to-price chart isn't a graph, it's a scatterplot.
NYS guy here.... I initially bought a Diamondback 16" DB15 l(NYS COMPLIANT) and added mods to my liking and does what it's intended for.... proceed to all Aero(builds) in DMR and SBR both in .556 and .308 and ALL went for around $1200 to $1600....with no issues with any of them, and went with my preferences in triggers, furniture and optics.... not costing me over $4K. Keep in mind I'm in the people's republic of NYS where I need these things configured in bolt action to be used with the Kalikey but have spare parts(wink wink) for them to function PROPERLY(again, wink wink)..... bottom line is I found that not spending so money on brands like BCM is possible to get what you need and be budget economical for me..... these thing are literally like LEGOS and we can work with numerous parts..... just sayin.....🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
2200 laser “best values rifle” 😐
Priorities: I drive a 12 year old shitbox, have the T-MObile free signup phone and can't play half the new PC games that come out on my 8 year old graphics card but I've got a SCAR-17, Elcan, MAWL and a PVS-14 WP thinfilm and a DD Mk18 pistol with a T2 and a DBAL and enough ammo to shoot every weekend.
Get your mind right!
A CHF barrel can be chrome lined or not. It has nothing to do with the barrel manufacturing process, just the inside finish. Did I misunderstand what he was saying?
I got a Geissele 11.5 URGI on black Friday last year for $940. I haven't seen anything else come close to that value.
Primary arms sales. 10-13% off pretty much once a month at least. Plus, you can get the upper and lower separately, so you don't have to drop all the money at once. Can allow you to get a better/ more expensive rifle.
Hey TREX arms, invest in some Sanken COS-11 lav mics. Will make those DJI’s sound less tinny. Also, you don’t need wind covers indoors.
I've been noticing issues with the BCM stuff I've bought lately. 2 carriers both with leaky gas keys (leak test performed with oil around the base, bolt inserted in the carrier held back with thumb to create the interior seal, and compressed air filling the carrier key with a rubber tipped air chuck - bubbles form at the base where the oil was applied when leaking, SOLGW M76 lube works best for the test) as well as oversized bolt tail seals resulting in inefficient gas seals between the bolt tail and carrier (reduces how much gas is effectively being uses to open the bolt during unlock, less gas means its likely to stop running sooner when dirty, cold, or with weak ammo.) Also, one of the carriers only has a few thousand rounds and the extractor is already failing my PTG extractor gauge test.
P.S. - this isn't necessarily to sway anyone from BCM, but rather I want folks to put some pressure on them if they are slacking and fix whatever issues are going on in QC. Carrier keys are intended to be sealed with Permatex or some sort of gasket sealant per TDP specification, TDP being one of the documents BCM touts as the standard they go by and hold themselves to. If gas keys are coming out of their factory leaking, that's less than optimal and not on brand for BCM (all my PSAs leak..its a total detriment just not as efficient).
P.P.S - if you don't think gas leaks matter, I changed a gas key, (stoned sealed and staked) for a friend on a PSA that was leaking, it went from ejecting at 5 o clock with m193 to ejecting at 3 with the same ammo.
Anderson lower with a PSA EPT and lower kit with a SOLGW upper, tool craft Nickol boron BSG and Gieselle super charging handle, BCM buffer tube spring and H1.
A BCM Hammer forged barrel will hold its accuracy right till the end of its life, then fall off in an instant.., A standard chrome lined barrel will slowly degrade over time, IE: you will start at 1.25moa, and by 5k rounds it will be 1.75, by, 10k rounds it will be 2.5moa, by 15k it will be 4moa... Where my current BFH ELW barrel has held 1.1moa with 77otm, and 1.6moa with m193.. from start to the 9k+ rounds that I am at on this barrel.. My standard upper lasted just shy of 18k rounds before its accuracy was gone.. In about 1.5yrs I'll try to remember to come back and give the result of how long the BFH lasted..
Lwrc is the top of the best for the money
They arn't tuned right for my preferences. I'd still have to tear it apart and rebuild it.
DIY everything is ALWAYS the best way to go.
@@Gnolomweb PREACH.. I've been building since 2012.. I'll never buy a complete rifle again
One of the most important decisions to be made is about your intended use of the firearm. A vast number of buyers will never do competition shooting. Most are bought for personal protection and defensive scenarios. Most will never even want or need to "acquire" targets over 100 yards away.
Unless you have money to burn, a vast majority of mods to increase accuracy are moot points, IMO.
I look for things that make my firearms more comfortable to use.. ^ comfort usually equates to ^ accuracy just by nature.
It's also pretty easy to over-accessorize a firearm of any type.
Add on accessories also add WEIGHT to any firearm, so that should be considered.
LWRC Di is the absolute top of the bellcurve. BCM is right under it
I concur.. I have one
PSA will out perform both of those, with me on the trigger. I’d have to buy a psa first, but
@@Rubeless I believe it, no rifle is going to make you a better shooter overnight lol
lmfao
Good vid, for the record the biggest difference in running cold hammer vs chrome is the heat dissipation under rapid sustained fire. Iv never shot enough to prove it myself but the rumor/theory is the better you manage heat through the life of the barrel the longer the rifling will wear in an even manor thus keeping consistent performance. The faster you "burn up a barrel" the faster it becomes a cost and in terms of military use (which is where the need to compare comes from) a barrel that lasts 40k+ rounds is more important depending on application than a more accurate, lighter or whatever barrel that only lasts 20k.
Wouldn't a more correct comparison be between chrome lined and nitrided? Cold hammer forged would be more about how the rifling is made, so it would be compared to buttoning?
Thanks for the info! It'd be fun for you guys to do a few Radian reviews at some point, they seem like a solid company.
Very solid, I sold my aero items for a radian and it's worth. I also like how pro 2a radian is compared to aero selling to Leo in their own banned state.
My 14.5 radian model 1 is amazing.
@@coleworld18 oh I bet. I own the 10.5, I'm interested in the 17 inch upper for a long range set up.
Had the radian SD charging handle snap on me at the front where it attaches to the carrier key. Warrenty took care of it, but im not keeping the replacement
Psa has had the Armalite M153GN18 on sale for 999$ the gun normally sells for 1500 and is worth the 1500 price tag so with how cheap it is on sale and how accurate zero recoil and everything it comes with is just absolutely amazing it's a hidden gem and more people need to see what I'm talking about it has an adjustable gas block rifle length gas adjustable 3 port muzzle break 18 inch ss 416r medium contour barrel timney 3lb single stage trigger luth mba-1 stock ambi radian raptor charging handle ergo deluxe wide grip 15 inch anti rotating m-lock or keymod Handguard very lightweight ambi safty they also come in a 13 inch model or a 308 model only thing I changed on it was added an ambi mag realse
Now is the time to buy AR’s. Solid video
I have a complete BCM rifle and I love it!
What perfect timing that this video is being posted about best AR-15 for the money.
I just accidentally came across a AR-15 at my local 'gun store' aka the best pawn shop in the world that mainly sells guns, lol.
It's a Spikes tactical SR-15 rifle that originally costed $1,000 as the base rifle before it was modified. The previous owner added a Cryptic bolt-carrier group ($450), fab defense stock ($75), Radian Raptor charging handle ($120), I forget the trigger brand/model but it was ($300), some cheap holosun red dot ($100), short throw safety selector ($45), Magpul MBUS Pro metal backup sights ($200), custom dust cover with graphics ($75), Daniel Defense MFR handguard 15" ($350), flash forwarding can ($250), Magpul grip ($35).
That's $3,000 overall combined MSRP cost for the rifle and all of the parts added.
Do you know how much they were selling it for?
$599.99 🤑 I bought it immediately after inspecting it myself. Even hypothetically if the barrel was shot out I could cheaply replace it and accurize the barrel and receiver fitment simultaneously for less than $500 making it an $1,100 cost for a $3,000 gun.
All of that with a cheap optic, not surprised at all
JUNK
@@TheGrimiest that's exactly what I said lol I can't believe some people put such garbage stuff on their weapons. Back when I had my original rifle build I had a $1,800 trijicon scope on my SPR.
Dude wrote a book about a used pawned off home built rifle.
@@MyWatchIsEnded I still hold the belief that the Romeo 5 is a solid ass budget red dot. I still swap it around on new guns. Budget optics are fine, but on a nice rifle I don’t get it one bit
I’ve never paid full price for a SSA-E trigger. It’s worth waiting the 2-4 times a year they go on sale, usually around $150-$170 on primary arms around Christmas or 4th of July type holidays.
Ya'll see Warrior Poet bringing on Marty Daniel to walk back his keep the ATF around statement?
Walk back? He basically said the ATF should exist because it could be worse lol fuck DD
@@TheUglyBiker42069 Agreed. That's essentially the argument Mark Smith at Four Boxes Diner made for Trump's bump stock ban: he was trying to prevent Dems from passing something worse. Except they didn't have a veto-proof majority in either house of Congress, even with a few RINOs. You could justify doing anything by wildly speculating about some hypothetical thing that would be worse.
@@TheUglyBiker42069 Good to see at least some viewers of this channel not buying into Lucas' apparent desire to get in bed with DD.
Kevin Brittingham from Q told an interesting story about old Marty Mcflunky regarding an engineer he hired who had been working for DD.
Not that I really like KB either, but it's an interesting story if it's true.
Who gaf
@@raifsevrencewhere?
Thanks for this video, Brandon. BCMs are good. I've found the ALG Defense's El Jefe is good out of the box as well.
Is BCM still having Barrel QC issues?
Do NOT expect a BCM to meet your expectations further than 3 or 400 yards. I just rebarrelled the 16" BCM I bought for a LVPO/SPR gun with a Criterion Core barrel because no matter what I put in the BCM it wouldnt shoot better than 2.5moa
If you need this video as a buyers guide, I guarantee you can't shoot accurately past 200 yards, much less 300 or 400.
@@SIRslipperyasp91 That's a fair comment. As well as these are regarded, and being someone who can/does shoot out to distance, I expected more out of such a well-regarded product.
I'll also say that I have a stainless PSA barreled lightweight upper that is MOA with Federal M193. I think I would buy two of those instead of one of the BCM if I were to do it again... A 2.5MOA gun, especially 16" use isn't really interesting to me.
Saying geissele triggers are good value is an absolutely deranged take. I have more geissele triggers than anything else, but the diminishing returns are massive going past $100 on an AR trigger. A surefire can being high value is also insane.
Yeah, that was weird. Geissele is nice, but a BCM PNT would be great for a budget minded build.
Full price G triggers ain't worth it. Sale down in the $150 range and it's another story. Schmid, heavily rebranded, are excellent for a 1/3 of the price. Yet for smoothness I'd give the win to the Geissel2 SSA. I really want to try the SOLGW 2 stage made by Schmid next.
Larue mbt 2s is the best top tier
budget trigger. You can get them in sale for just under 100 and they rock.
The new PSA saber enhanced trigger is also very good. It is just a schmid trigger but with different coating and springs. Mine breaks at 2.5lbs and breaks very clean.
I am 99% sure that the rmr is not a pistol sight... it was a backup/closeup option for rifles.
This is why the fireproof is wider than most slides.... it is not designed to go on a slide.
The HD and SRO are pistol sights which is why the hold up better to slide top use better than the gen one rmr.
I love BCM, but another option for that is the IWI Zion 15. Very accurate for the money. At or Under 1" groups at 100yds in my experience
my brother in law has a zion and it’s a very capable rifle. big fan of
Sure it does
@@Rubeless you should try one before you knock it.
Geissele is a great value during sales events like Black Friday and 4th of July. You can save a TON of money during these events. Same with their triggers and pretty much everything they sell.
LMT and done!
14.5 bcm blem upper on andro corp lower is what I'm running. Added matching bcm furniture, geiselle trigger, radian charging handle, surefire warcomp, and rein 3.0 light.
Optic is gen 4 PA slx 1 to 6 acss nova
Thank you for the information. Great Advice.
I have a ATI Milsport lower, Ballistic Advantage 8.5 300blk upper, Cryptic NiBo BCG, and Jacob Grey Muzzle, and Sig red dot with magnifier, works great!
Like I said rifle iron sights ammo all u need
You are a wise man.
for me every shtf type of rifle has got to have GOOD iron sights on it. If a guy wants to add optics that's fine but not at the expense of irons...
Bcm upper and bcg with a aero lower … larue flat trigger or a solgw flat trigger ( aero lower parts kit or cmmg) your choise around tube and stock plus grip . Magpul probirons boom now your basic rifles made … swap the bcm upper for an aero upper but buy the bcg away from aero
Larue > Geissele.
I just bought my first AR from PSA for 580… maybe in a bit I’ll get a BCM but for now I’m hoping the PSA works good
Dude is talking “Value” for AR-15 and proposing $2k+ in optics. Good grief
I have t finished watching yet but value doesn’t mean inexpensive.
Value and quality doesn’t mean your sub $1000 budget shit.
I kinda wanna just have this guy build me this gun. My god this topic is confounding.
I just sit with my Glock 19 and 1000 rounds of HST and hope it’s enough. (Grandpa guns too)
Geissele G2S or spend the extra for SSA?
Or go buy a single stage match trigger for cheaper
Which ones would you recommend checking out?
SSAE > Larue MBT-2S > G2S
I have three ssa, I recommend the Larue or ALG.
SSA or ssaE
Essentially the E is just a bit light pull, maybe better for SPR or DMR rifle, but a general purpose or CQB I love SSA triggers worth the money.
Black Friday is usually good time to get em for 100 bucks off😊
I put together an aero upper with a criterion hybrid profile mid gas barrel with the headspaced bolt, and it's the most accurate upper I've ever owned. I used a bcm gas block and pinned it to the barrel, and I've never had a single malfunction. I do keep it pretty clean and well oiled though.
Geissele complete rifle on sale
BCM BFH midlength with FSB. Radian Charging handle. Midwest Industries mid-length drop in handguard, either M-Lok or Pic. Streamlight pro-tac 2.0 light.
Palmetto State Armory complete lower with whatever furniture you want, milspec trigger.
Garand thumb doing the 7k burn down on the psa and from what I remeber not having a lug or firing pin break makes the argument about price not necessarily valid. That being said do what you want, it's your money.
I agree with at least 90-95%.... As far as optics go, I'd probably rather run an LPVO with probably an offset red dot. With that being said, I run a lot of red dots on my rifles, mainly the more budget friendly options. Vortex (SPARC II & SPARC AR), Holosun (403R, 503R & AEMS), Sig (Romeo 5's), ect... I also like the Trijicon MRO so far. But I really wouldn't consider an ACOG a budget friendly optic. Well.... I guess it really depends on what your budget is.... 🤷. But FYI the original RMR's weren't pistol optics, they were small (Rugged Miniature Red Dots or Reflex sights) they were originally designed to go onto rifles as a reflex sight. It wasn't until later when guys started milling or having their slides milled and then mounted to them. The RMR Type 2 was designed to be mounted on pistols now but they're still utilized on rifles as a secondary sighting system. But I am a huge fan of Aero Precision/Ballistic Advantage, and I do like BCM along with Midwest Industries.