@@aihsonavais769Get a waiver or statement of demonstrated ability. The FAA can and does make exceptions for people who may have a disqualifying issue. Don’t give up on your dreams.
Started as a 135 FO at the end of last year at around 800 TT. I was a flight instructor for a year before that. Making around 3k a month. Gotta start somewhere. Building valuable multi turbine time in order to get that 6 figure salary hopefully next year.
Learn to fly in the military. I started off in the military and my flight training was paid for by the military. I was able to completely skip the regional airlines and get hired at a legacy airline with 1800 hours.
Military paid for mine as well. In my experience, military pilots tend to be worse than those that cut their teeth at 135 or regionals. Not all, but there is a trend. Of course nobody will dare say so because military is hailed as God’s gift to aviation.
@@burncycle4621 Don't get me wrong. I'm from a military family. But, when I heard the explained description of "Military Grade". It is not what you think. Most people think 'oh, military grade!" Must be good. No. It's the bare minimum in order to pass for the military to pay for it. You're welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. It's all about wording and perception. Like sell by dates is not the same as expiration date. And even then, that is for the store, not for the consumer. Thanks for your service. 🫡
Just a heads up the rates for new hires at the legacies has increased slightly with the latest contract cycle. New hires at my legacy are starting off at 116/hr. Great video.
@@jimprior5700 no... because he said an airline pilot, hence already built his hours. Learn to read.... It only takes 2-3 years to get to 1500 hours if you're smart.
I flew Part 91 as a Corporate Pilot for 30+ years. I have 10 type ratings and in retrospect I wouldn’t change a thing. I retired with 14,000 hours and have I flew to some of the greatest places on the planet. The only downside is there’s no Union and if you piss off the CEO or Chairman you can get the boot.
I’m 29 deciding to make a career change. Paying as I go at a part 61 school. Working full time still. Hope to be at a major airline full time by the time I’m 35
Currently, in a part 141 school. It's going well. Haven't started the flight portion yet. It's a combination program. I will obtain a A.A.S degree in Aviation management degree plus license (PPL). My goal is to get my license and become a CFL and get all my rating. And my ultimate goal is to become commercial airline pilot for the regionals first officer. I'm good after that!
@giovannivazquez1003 well, it going well. I took 4 classes and had to drop two of them. Physics and algebra. But now, I'm studying for my Faa written test. Sporty and jeppsean written study guild. I should be ready by Nov and Dec. If I pass. I know I will. - 90%. Then Jan 2025. Flight school begins
Really hate how a lot of youtubers are glorifying the pilot pay and lifestyle. As a former 121 check airman, over the more recent years I saw a huge influx of people that were clearly in it for the wrong reasons, mainly for the money, and by and large, they were some of my worse students. Minimum effort, little to no actual interest in actually learning the ins-and-outs of the job and absolutely zero passion for aviation. Sure, almost anyone can become a pilot, but in 20 years of doing this, I've come to the conclusion very few actually should. And I'm a millennial before ya'll start going oK BoOmEr on me.
I do believe you have some valid points but the points are so specific they don't relate to the newer generation of pilots coming in and taking over. Your generation comparable to the kids growing up now, grew up with a insane about of change with the available technology and no one can help or change that. Yes, there are kids who cant do anything for them selves and cant deal with anything because how "easy" it can be. But there is still a large percentage of kiddos who are strong and heavy individual thinkers who want to prove to them selves and the older generation they can indeed be great pilots. This video way just laying how some of the key factors leading into the new year if anyone is interested in a career in aviation.
I have to agree with you. I'm starting my 28th year of 121 flying. My airline is currently voting on a new T/A. Assuming it passes, at the end of the contract term, my hourly rate will be over $420/hr. But when I was a turboprop FO making Burger King money, it never crossed my mind that "a few more years and I'll be making tons of money" I wasn't there for the money. I was there because I thought it was the coolest job in the world. I still do, and when I talk to young people considering getting into the industry, I never specifically talk about money as a reason to consider it. That being said, I have to give credit to FLY8MA for at least mentioning that, and also for dispelling the notion that the youngsters are going to be flying 787's to Europe after 1500 hours of C172 time. I think a lot of kids are falling victim to the marketing campaigns of the big puppy mill pilot academies and have gotten a distorted image of the reality of what hiring is usually like at the Big4/Big2. This has been the perfect storm of conditions to create a once in a lifetime pilot shortage, but those conditions are transitory, and are already showing signs of slowing. Delta just revised its 2024 hiring estimate down by nearly half. FedEx is asking its pilots to go to the regionals. And the regionals really only want newhires who can meet 121.436 asap. If a young person is only getting into flying because they think they're 2 years away from a $1/4million income, they're probably going to be disappointed. This video comes a lot closer to discussing that reality than most others of its kind.
The cost to get there is a bitch. Unless you’re the child of a pilot or have rich parents or are a single child, It’s such a grind. Paying for college, gas, flights, is a lot. I barely cover my expenses working two jobs. But I don’t regret a single dollar I spend on my flight training at all. The grind is part of the journey and experience and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It makes me value flying and this career path that much more.
While Skywest is a contractor, PSA is owned and operated by American Airlines, as is Piedmont and Envoy. AA wholly owned regionals have a top of pay above 200, and as a check airman you can make more than that 30 year wide-body captain at mainline.
Almost 52 years of age and watching time slip away. I decided last March that I wanted to pursue my childhood dream, had an AME visit May 1 and got a deferral. Two FAA letters and two batches of additional information submitted so far, the last on Nov. 3, and still no decision.
Keep pushing....you have to bug the crap out of the FAA if you want to get it through. I've seen plenty of guys stay on them and get it eventually, also plenty who "let it process" and nothing ever happens
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199you got an tips? I just got denied cause of a non progressing eye condition (retinal detachment) and 20/25 vision corrected
It’s coming bro. They’re slow af. If you were gonna get a “no” answer they woulda told ya off the bat. Just call them once a week to warm up the fire under their booty 😂
Reminds me of the shortcomings in the trucking industry. No wonder both are weighted down with responsible operator shortages. Aim for the CEO of the op instead
August 2024 - A recent job ad at Air Canada says that a captain of a narrow-body (single aisle) aircraft can make $215,000 to $290,000 a year, while a wide-body captain can earn $315,000 to $350,000 pus overtime and expenses. This is very good pay ....but maybe not a high as American pilots or perhaps other countries ...BUT ...it is still very good pay at $29,000 per month .....but of course, the GREED factor is forever present .....so the pilots union are now threatening to strike. The railway union decided to strike .....and hold the commerce of the country at ransom. $150,000 for a train "engineer" and $125,000 for a conductor. Not only are they wanting more but they are complaining about automation. I think the automation is way behind. City commuter trains have no one on board driving. Time to get rid of ALL these engineers and conductors completely and fully computerize the entire rail system in Canada. Keep raising salaries and its the customer who pays the price or air tickets and for food on the store shelves. .
The QoL aspect is the reason I've stopped in my tracks on pursuing the airlines. I'd love to keep flying and doing it full time, but where is the flight job that allows me to not be away from home for roughly half a month.. or in perspective.. half of my working life until retirement. I think that's that part most are forgetting with the airlines.
I'm just a lowly ultralight pilot but hope to become a sport pilot someday soon. Hate the wife and I missed getting to stop by and see you while we were in Alaska this past September. Definitely will on the next trip!
This is a fantastic video, lots of humor along with the factual information. I would say this may be the best YT video I've seen! And that's saying something! Especially loved the supreme editing job splicing in clips from various motion pictures. "Don't call me Shirley!" Loved those clips! They need your talent at SNL!
College degrees are not required to work for the airlines but it will strengthen your resume if it comes down to two applicants with similar experience.
Flying must be a lot easier but the pilots appreciate good mechanics a lot. They are our best friends. I watch your videos from Alaska. Pilots are also mechanics there. Impressive. The owner didn't enjoy flying for the commuters! But that is the way to go if you like to make a good living in a major airline. I just retired from United. I would prefer flying local in Alaska too, especially if I were from there. You just have to take a long winter break. Love your shows. Thanks The life you are living in Alaska is the best. The airlines are great once you are in majors and can manage to fly less and day time only. It's the easiest job except the hotels and shuttle riders. God forbid you have to fly in out of EWR!!!
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 I would make the same choice as you have done but most pilots are looking for money. Some would do anything for an extra dollar. Thanks.
My passion is flying and I've already been on my discovery flight for a nearby school and I absolutely want to become a pilot for a career. Current roadblocks: I'm on hrt and I haven't gotten my First Officer Medical yet and I've been mentally healthy for a long while so I haven't had a therapist at all. Easily the biggest road block though. I'm currently finishing my bachelors and the amount of debt I have is too much and it's not likely I'll be able to get a job that is within my career field and allows me to payoff the debt. I do not own a car, so commuting is a nightmare. I'm hoping one day I can learn to fly and get my debt relieved and I absolutely wish I started to learn to fly when I finished high school, but I chose wrong.
As a student Pilot, although the earnings may be there (after x amount of years), I’m still not fully convinced it’s for me because of QOL/pay trade offs. It seems like if you want better QOL you take a lower salary or sacrifice that for lower QOL but with higher pay. I’m looking for a career that has good QOL AND pay…
I have question, so if I were to get hired at one of this big companies like delta, aa, united how much control of my schedule would I have? For example, if I wanted to work longer hours to get more pay and experience obviously would they let me?
As a new first officer you wouldn't have much control over your schedule. But if their were additional flights for you to pick up, that is a possibility, as long as you don't go over your max allowed hours per month.
What do you experienced commercial pilots think about me getting into this at the age of 46? I own my trucking company but seriously thinking about becoming a commercial pilot
Not too late at all, I generally say mid to late 50s is when you're pushing it from a cost/benefit perspective, but as far as just learning my oldest student was 80
You cant use the GI Bill for your private pilot license but once you have your PPL you can use it for your follow on training at a part 141 school. fly8ma.com/a-veterans-guide-to-soaring-as-a-pilot/
I'm a manager, I drive 1hr to work, I have maybe 4-6 days off during the month and get paid a fraction of what these pilots are getting paid. I can't understand why there's a concern about not getting 14 days off in a month...
Seems like you potentially get to sleep in your own bed overnight, we were referring to those who are in hotels 25 days out of the month but yes in your situation we agree.
It is depending on the regional...you just want to make sure you are tying yourself to a company that is going to survive the next 30 years, preferably one that has been around for 20 or 30 years as well.
Depends where you are but i would start locally first and do some research. You can always try and get a desk job at a flight school to help with costs. 50k for a CFI is pretty common
Quality of life and constant cycles of layoffs aside, there is one important reason airline career is not for some people. With unions come Soviet-style pay scales. Notice how everything is based off of formal numbers you have zero control over - like flight hours or seniority. Unlike in other careers there is pretty much nothing you can do to speed up your career progression. You’re just a number of total flight hours that changes with time, and you're the seniority number that never changes. There is no project you can complete, no idea you can come up with that will make your compensation higher short of taking more days and driving your quality of life into the crapper. You could be by far the best pilot in the history of flight, and it won’t matter one single bit. If you’re a highly motivated and driven individual - don’t voluntarily put yourself into a Soviet work culture, you won’t enjoy it.
Hello, I have a DUI that is over 10 years old now I’m 33 years old. Is it worth pursuing a career as an airline pilot when I even have a chance thanks.
No way. DUI is an automatic disqualification. If you aren't responsible enough to make good decsisions on the ground, what makes you think anyone would want you flying 100+ people in the air?
Yes you can. That being said it won’t be easy and you WILL have to explain every step of the way. Don’t listen to nay sayers. I know several people who have had a DUI in background that are flying now at major airlines. As long as you don’t have trouble getting into Canada you should be fine. Read the book final approach. I wish you goodluck.
@@kyradray4938that’s inspiring wow seriously you know pilots at the majors that had a dui anyway I can get in contact? Probably not but I appreciate the confidence boost man
So when does the rating of ATP have to play in all of this? Sounds like if you have 1509 and have a commercial certificate you can go to the regionals. I think you need an ATP first, no?
You do need the ATP, but if you have hour requirements as you mentioned they will hire you and your ATP training and checkride will be done as part of your sim training at the airline
Ehhh thats kinda BS because I know someone at Delta right at 1500 and they did his ATP as well. I have 2,200 and fly a 767 doing cargo, never even went to a regional. I know someone going from a Caravan to a 747 lmao… it’s crazy times. But yes hiring is slowing down, at least at the regionals.
3:45 "and Knoxville..." shows a picture of Nashville. 3:51 "and Greensboro, SC." there is no Greensboro, SC. There's a Greensboro, NC and a Greenville, SC, but no Greensboro, SC.
every career there are people who are in it just for a good pay check, others are in it because they love it and the money just comes with the job. With that in mind, everyone has their own way to approach their job and quality of life.
Some good info but also misinformation. The pay scales shown are wrong AA has a new contract. Also major airline FOs don’t make twice as much when they upgrade. FO scales now are 70% of captain pay after 5-6 years of longevity.
Pay is good but being a pilot is no joke. Takes some sharp minds to operate any kind of craft. We are in the business because we love it and everyone at FL8MA is eager to learn, fly, and practice safe operations. The money comes with it.
Hey great video, I just had one doubt. As a foreign national what are the requirements usually needed to land a job in the majors? For example if I log in 2000 hours as an airline pilot in India, would I have a chance in the US major? Also I don’t have a 4 year degree
You would need to convert your licenses to FAA, as well as get work authorization or citizenship in the US, if you had those two things it is possible to get hired at the US majors
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 thank you for your response. If you don’t mind, I was also wondering what do the major airlines prefer in a candidate while hiring… experience as a captain in a narrow body or as an FO in a wide body
No not at all. Best place to start would be a discovery flight to see if you enjoy flying before going down this path. Once you've decided if flying is for you checkout our PPL ground school to get started. learn.fly8ma.com/courses/premium-private-pilot-ground-school/
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 thanks for your feedback,should I do de medical examination before starting anything, if you don’t mind,can you please tell me what is the exact name of that medical exam please?
Hiring at regionals has slowed to a crawl. Mesa has not hired anyone since November and they are just now going to training. Because of the slow hiring at regionals there are now a lot of CFIs so in many places new CFIs are hardly flying working, and hardly building hours.
Your numbers are off. AA starts at 116/hr year one. And if you upgrade its over 300/hr these days. Also wearing your old uniform in the videos is tacky
European pilot salaries are pathetic compared to the US. Volotea, Vueling, Air Europa pay like 1200 euros per month! While in a US Regional you could be paid $4000 per month or more. It´s pathetic! It´s an insult. Meanwhile, a cashier at a Swiss McDonald´s makes 3300 CHF, per month. If this is not twisted enough, you can find tickets in Europe to reach 500 euros in a 2-3 hours flight. In comparison you can fly Southwest for $200-$300 with two bags and snacks, while pilots make $8000 per month. Plus 50k sign in bonus that really helps you move wherever you wanna live. European airlines are a shame and they ask you to have UPRT, MCC and sometimes pay your own type rating and uniform to join them. It really makes you cry. Perverts? Psychopaths?
Cries in being a pilot below 1500 hours :(
How much?
cries in simmer, dreams are dreams
Cries in just denied first class medical cause 20/25 not 20/20
Get a SODA @@aihsonavais769
@@aihsonavais769Get a waiver or statement of demonstrated ability. The FAA can and does make exceptions for people who may have a disqualifying issue. Don’t give up on your dreams.
Started as a 135 FO at the end of last year at around 800 TT. I was a flight instructor for a year before that. Making around 3k a month. Gotta start somewhere. Building valuable multi turbine time in order to get that 6 figure salary hopefully next year.
I fly hawker a 800xp now and I love it. Quality of life is amazing
I’m on twin turbo prop and citation jet. Pay good. QOL OK.
Learn to fly in the military. I started off in the military and my flight training was paid for by the military. I was able to completely skip the regional airlines and get hired at a legacy airline with 1800 hours.
How long did you stay in the military?
tHERE IS A 10 YEAR COMITMENT
Military paid for mine as well. In my experience, military pilots tend to be worse than those that cut their teeth at 135 or regionals. Not all, but there is a trend. Of course nobody will dare say so because military is hailed as God’s gift to aviation.
@@burncycle4621 Don't get me wrong. I'm from a military family. But, when I heard the explained description of "Military Grade". It is not what you think. Most people think 'oh, military grade!" Must be good. No. It's the bare minimum in order to pass for the military to pay for it. You're welcome to correct me if I'm wrong. It's all about wording and perception. Like sell by dates is not the same as expiration date. And even then, that is for the store, not for the consumer.
Thanks for your service. 🫡
U probably did it when the contract was 6 years. Now it’s 10
Just a heads up the rates for new hires at the legacies has increased slightly with the latest contract cycle. New hires at my legacy are starting off at 116/hr. Great video.
Thanks for the info!
Would you care to say what legacy you’re referring to? Pretty useless comment without that detail…
@@KigenTheDegenAll 3 legacy airlines have basically the same hourly pay scale now.
@@KigenTheDegenAll 3 pay the same first year, and have similar pay scales.
@@KigenTheDegenit’s called “ none of your business and go do your research, and your comment is rude. It’s called “ pilot central site lol.
I'm just glad becoming a pilot wont be a waste I really enjoy flying but I also want to be able to provide money for myself and help my family
It's a solid career path, even since we made that video salaries have continued to increase!
And mostly pay my debts😂
An airline pilot after 12 years years can easily make $400,000 - $500,00- / year.
Especially if you're a check airman
DID YOU INCLUDE THE TIME IT TOOK TO GET THE FLT HOURS BEFORE YOU GOT YOUR MAJOR JOB?
@@jimprior5700 no... because he said an airline pilot, hence already built his hours. Learn to read....
It only takes 2-3 years to get to 1500 hours if you're smart.
@@Andromedon777 dude can you help me out, im an aspiring pilot and I'd like some guidance
@@hamadalmaisari7046 sure! Do you have a discord?
I flew Part 91 as a Corporate Pilot for 30+ years. I have 10 type ratings and in retrospect I wouldn’t change a thing. I retired with 14,000 hours and have I flew to some of the greatest places on the planet. The only downside is there’s no Union and if you piss off the CEO or Chairman you can get the boot.
Same here. Just don’t piss anyone off and make your greetings vague. Good morning, afternoon, evening. And keep it at that.
I’m 29 deciding to make a career change. Paying as I go at a part 61 school. Working full time still. Hope to be at a major airline full time by the time I’m 35
Head to FLY8MA free courses and then continue through our courses
That’s exactly what I did. Keep going.
The silence during the ground marshal dance and the bouncing purple jet had me absolutely rolling…😂
I lost it at the bouncing jet 😂😂😂
Currently, in a part 141 school. It's going well. Haven't started the flight portion yet. It's a combination program. I will obtain a A.A.S degree in Aviation management degree plus license (PPL). My goal is to get my license and become a CFL and get all my rating. And my ultimate goal is to become commercial airline pilot for the regionals first officer. I'm good after that!
Wow me too we doing the same thing! Good luck I believe in you!!!
If you get siked out and not getting the hours, hop to ATP. It's likely cheaper and way quicker
How’s it going rn? how’d part 141 go cause im just starting mine up rn and what do you recommend studying and all?
@@Gucci_PeraltaHow’d it go bro?
@giovannivazquez1003 well, it going well. I took 4 classes and had to drop two of them. Physics and algebra. But now, I'm studying for my Faa written test. Sporty and jeppsean written study guild. I should be ready by Nov and Dec. If I pass. I know I will. - 90%. Then Jan 2025. Flight school begins
Really hate how a lot of youtubers are glorifying the pilot pay and lifestyle. As a former 121 check airman, over the more recent years I saw a huge influx of people that were clearly in it for the wrong reasons, mainly for the money, and by and large, they were some of my worse students. Minimum effort, little to no actual interest in actually learning the ins-and-outs of the job and absolutely zero passion for aviation. Sure, almost anyone can become a pilot, but in 20 years of doing this, I've come to the conclusion very few actually should. And I'm a millennial before ya'll start going oK BoOmEr on me.
I do believe you have some valid points but the points are so specific they don't relate to the newer generation of pilots coming in and taking over. Your generation comparable to the kids growing up now, grew up with a insane about of change with the available technology and no one can help or change that. Yes, there are kids who cant do anything for them selves and cant deal with anything because how "easy" it can be. But there is still a large percentage of kiddos who are strong and heavy individual thinkers who want to prove to them selves and the older generation they can indeed be great pilots. This video way just laying how some of the key factors leading into the new year if anyone is interested in a career in aviation.
I have to agree with you. I'm starting my 28th year of 121 flying. My airline is currently voting on a new T/A. Assuming it passes, at the end of the contract term, my hourly rate will be over $420/hr. But when I was a turboprop FO making Burger King money, it never crossed my mind that "a few more years and I'll be making tons of money" I wasn't there for the money. I was there because I thought it was the coolest job in the world. I still do, and when I talk to young people considering getting into the industry, I never specifically talk about money as a reason to consider it.
That being said, I have to give credit to FLY8MA for at least mentioning that, and also for dispelling the notion that the youngsters are going to be flying 787's to Europe after 1500 hours of C172 time. I think a lot of kids are falling victim to the marketing campaigns of the big puppy mill pilot academies and have gotten a distorted image of the reality of what hiring is usually like at the Big4/Big2. This has been the perfect storm of conditions to create a once in a lifetime pilot shortage, but those conditions are transitory, and are already showing signs of slowing. Delta just revised its 2024 hiring estimate down by nearly half. FedEx is asking its pilots to go to the regionals. And the regionals really only want newhires who can meet 121.436 asap. If a young person is only getting into flying because they think they're 2 years away from a $1/4million income, they're probably going to be disappointed. This video comes a lot closer to discussing that reality than most others of its kind.
True. A pilot should love the job, not prioritize the money. Also, he/she should know the plane inside out.
@@AeroRioyes to both of these points.
The cost to get there is a bitch. Unless you’re the child of a pilot or have rich parents or are a single child, It’s such a grind. Paying for college, gas, flights, is a lot. I barely cover my expenses working two jobs. But I don’t regret a single dollar I spend on my flight training at all. The grind is part of the journey and experience and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It makes me value flying and this career path that much more.
While Skywest is a contractor, PSA is owned and operated by American Airlines, as is Piedmont and Envoy. AA wholly owned regionals have a top of pay above 200, and as a check airman you can make more than that 30 year wide-body captain at mainline.
This video was very helpful thank you so much!
You're so welcome!
Almost 52 years of age and watching time slip away. I decided last March that I wanted to pursue my childhood dream, had an AME visit May 1 and got a deferral. Two FAA letters and two batches of additional information submitted so far, the last on Nov. 3, and still no decision.
Keep pushing....you have to bug the crap out of the FAA if you want to get it through. I've seen plenty of guys stay on them and get it eventually, also plenty who "let it process" and nothing ever happens
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199you got an tips? I just got denied cause of a non progressing eye condition (retinal detachment) and 20/25 vision corrected
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199I’ve been wondering how to get a soda but there’s no resources on it that I’m finding online
It’s coming bro. They’re slow af. If you were gonna get a “no” answer they woulda told ya off the bat. Just call them once a week to warm up the fire under their booty 😂
Always love your videos!!! I appreciate how you show the many sides, up and down, that make up the wonderful world of aviation! 🤠👍
Thank you very much!
Can you do a part 91 and 135 video
Your videos are awsome keep up the great content! Also I love the online training program you have its really beneficial! Highly recommended 10/10!
Thank you! Will do!
Reminds me of the shortcomings in the trucking industry. No wonder both are weighted down with responsible operator shortages.
Aim for the CEO of the op instead
Yep
Me with my 75 hours and no money 😢
37 hours, with another 10-15 to go, and that's all that keeps running through my head. Like, where did it all go? I thought I had enough.
I was there once. Keep going!!!!
@@Food.Dog.Car.heyy how many outs does it take for you on average if I may ask?
@FM-ELEGANCE You need 40 hours by FAA regualtion, but the average student pilot is somewhere between 50-70 hours usually.
Whoever put in the video edits
is awesome 😂
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He’s saying great Video edits 👍🏾
August 2024 - A recent job ad at Air Canada says that a captain of a narrow-body (single aisle) aircraft can make $215,000 to $290,000 a year, while a wide-body captain can earn $315,000 to $350,000 pus overtime and expenses.
This is very good pay ....but maybe not a high as American pilots or perhaps other countries ...BUT ...it is still very good pay at $29,000 per month .....but of course, the GREED factor is forever present .....so the pilots union are now threatening to strike.
The railway union decided to strike .....and hold the commerce of the country at ransom. $150,000 for a train "engineer" and $125,000 for a conductor. Not only are they wanting more but they are complaining about automation. I think the automation is way behind. City commuter trains have no one on board driving. Time to get rid of ALL these engineers and conductors completely and fully computerize the entire rail system in Canada.
Keep raising salaries and its the customer who pays the price or air tickets and for food on the store shelves.
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The QoL aspect is the reason I've stopped in my tracks on pursuing the airlines. I'd love to keep flying and doing it full time, but where is the flight job that allows me to not be away from home for roughly half a month.. or in perspective.. half of my working life until retirement. I think that's that part most are forgetting with the airlines.
I'm just a lowly ultralight pilot but hope to become a sport pilot someday soon. Hate the wife and I missed getting to stop by and see you while we were in Alaska this past September. Definitely will on the next trip!
we shall be here! our field is coming alone nicely
Who says shit like I hate my wife on a public forum. I’m sure you’re a real cool guy.
This is a fantastic video, lots of humor along with the factual information. I would say this may be the best YT video I've seen! And that's saying something! Especially loved the supreme editing job splicing in clips from various motion pictures. "Don't call me Shirley!" Loved those clips! They need your talent at SNL!
Glad you enjoyed it! haha
Wow 😊
nice! thank you. Very informative and educational.
Glad it was helpful!
Here in Canada, our flag carrier Air Canada pays first year FO's an equivalent of $43k USD 😂😂😂
Wait thats how much I get driving for amazon 😭
“ Jim is your average college drop out…”
😂hahahaha.
Do the regionals look for college degrees if even required? And as well as for a captains position would it require one?
College degrees are not required to work for the airlines but it will strengthen your resume if it comes down to two applicants with similar experience.
man im diggin this. Charter flight route might be the way.
135 is nice but schedule is wild.
Flying must be a lot easier but the pilots appreciate good mechanics a lot. They are our best friends.
I watch your videos from Alaska. Pilots are also mechanics there. Impressive.
The owner didn't enjoy flying for the commuters! But that is the way to go if you like to make a good living in a major airline.
I just retired from United. I would prefer flying local in Alaska too, especially if I were from there.
You just have to take a long winter break.
Love your shows. Thanks
The life you are living in Alaska is the best. The airlines are great once you are in majors and can manage to fly less and day time only.
It's the easiest job except the hotels and shuttle riders. God forbid you have to fly in out of EWR!!!
Thank you good sir for your feedback
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199
I would make the same choice as you have done but most pilots are looking for money. Some would do anything for an extra dollar. Thanks.
Got about over 20 hours logged In, hopefully they just increase the pay rate once I get to 1500
Fly because you love it, not for the money.
Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure!
My passion is flying and I've already been on my discovery flight for a nearby school and I absolutely want to become a pilot for a career.
Current roadblocks:
I'm on hrt and I haven't gotten my First Officer Medical yet and I've been mentally healthy for a long while so I haven't had a therapist at all. Easily the biggest road block though.
I'm currently finishing my bachelors and the amount of debt I have is too much and it's not likely I'll be able to get a job that is within my career field and allows me to payoff the debt.
I do not own a car, so commuting is a nightmare.
I'm hoping one day I can learn to fly and get my debt relieved and I absolutely wish I started to learn to fly when I finished high school, but I chose wrong.
time line seems a bit optimistic. cool video.
As a student Pilot, although the earnings may be there (after x amount of years), I’m still not fully convinced it’s for me because of QOL/pay trade offs. It seems like if you want better QOL you take a lower salary or sacrifice that for lower QOL but with higher pay. I’m looking for a career that has good QOL AND pay…
Don’t we all?
You can have good QOL and good pay, but you're gonna have to have some SERIOUS skills at doing something that makes your employer A LOT of money.
Computer science, engineering, Math or physics degrees............hardest degrees pay the highest
In aviation?!?! Good luck bro. It’s one or the other. I have the perfect balance with a 91/135 operator. But QOL/Pay is always in the balances.
Thanks for the Content
My pleasure!
I have question, so if I were to get hired at one of this big companies like delta, aa, united how much control of my schedule would I have? For example, if I wanted to work longer hours to get more pay and experience obviously would they let me?
As a new first officer you wouldn't have much control over your schedule. But if their were additional flights for you to pick up, that is a possibility, as long as you don't go over your max allowed hours per month.
What do you experienced commercial pilots think about me getting into this at the age of 46? I own my trucking company but seriously thinking about becoming a commercial pilot
Not too late at all, I generally say mid to late 50s is when you're pushing it from a cost/benefit perspective, but as far as just learning my oldest student was 80
Need that LaGuardia location 😂
Um, Raleigh is pronounced "Rawlee", not "Rawlay", and Greesnboro, where I live, is in NORTH Carolina, not South Carolina.
lol funny clips in this one…. Hehe even noticed the punkin pacer towards the end… hehe
haha you like that andy? that was a great day indeed
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 yes it was!
Cries in pre cfi
I wonder how can i use gi bill for it. Thinking between Mechanical engineering and being a pilot. 🤷🏾
You cant use the GI Bill for your private pilot license but once you have your PPL you can use it for your follow on training at a part 141 school. fly8ma.com/a-veterans-guide-to-soaring-as-a-pilot/
I'm a manager, I drive 1hr to work, I have maybe 4-6 days off during the month and get paid a fraction of what these pilots are getting paid. I can't understand why there's a concern about not getting 14 days off in a month...
Seems like you potentially get to sleep in your own bed overnight, we were referring to those who are in hotels 25 days out of the month but yes in your situation we agree.
9:11 On the "jumpseat" hahahahah! LOL!
ha glad you also found that funny.
Do you still have to be a regional airline pilot if you only want to fly internationally?
What if your goal is to stay local and make a career of the regional? Is that realistic?
It is depending on the regional...you just want to make sure you are tying yourself to a company that is going to survive the next 30 years, preferably one that has been around for 20 or 30 years as well.
Where in the US can you go from 0-CFI in 18 months for $50k?
Depends where you are but i would start locally first and do some research. You can always try and get a desk job at a flight school to help with costs. 50k for a CFI is pretty common
I admire pilots. You need to have a lot of brains to be one.
Quality of life and constant cycles of layoffs aside, there is one important reason airline career is not for some people. With unions come Soviet-style pay scales. Notice how everything is based off of formal numbers you have zero control over - like flight hours or seniority. Unlike in other careers there is pretty much nothing you can do to speed up your career progression. You’re just a number of total flight hours that changes with time, and you're the seniority number that never changes. There is no project you can complete, no idea you can come up with that will make your compensation higher short of taking more days and driving your quality of life into the crapper. You could be by far the best pilot in the history of flight, and it won’t matter one single bit. If you’re a highly motivated and driven individual - don’t voluntarily put yourself into a Soviet work culture, you won’t enjoy it.
The unions are total commies and they are the ones that lobbied congress for the 1500 hour rule.
Ok, boomer.
@@chaddombecka proud millennial here :)
@@chaddombeck Dude. Shut up.
i do not agree, i spent nearly 40 years in the major airline ,loved every minute .
Hopefully you can set up an interview with Jim 😂
Great information!
How is Stef doing?
R.W.
things are going great here and everyone is fantastic!
best video ever
Hello, I have a DUI that is over 10 years old now I’m 33 years old. Is it worth pursuing a career as an airline pilot when I even have a chance thanks.
No way. DUI is an automatic disqualification. If you aren't responsible enough to make good decsisions on the ground, what makes you think anyone would want you flying 100+ people in the air?
Yes you can. That being said it won’t be easy and you WILL have to explain every step of the way. Don’t listen to nay sayers. I know several people who have had a DUI in background that are flying now at major airlines. As long as you don’t have trouble getting into Canada you should be fine. Read the book final approach. I wish you goodluck.
@@kyradray4938that’s inspiring wow seriously you know pilots at the majors that had a dui anyway I can get in contact? Probably not but I appreciate the confidence boost man
Tell HR it supports diversity to hire some pilots with a DUI
So when does the rating of ATP have to play in all of this? Sounds like if you have 1509 and have a commercial certificate you can go to the regionals. I think you need an ATP first, no?
You do need the ATP, but if you have hour requirements as you mentioned they will hire you and your ATP training and checkride will be done as part of your sim training at the airline
Ehhh thats kinda BS because I know someone at Delta right at 1500 and they did his ATP as well. I have 2,200 and fly a 767 doing cargo, never even went to a regional. I know someone going from a Caravan to a 747 lmao… it’s crazy times. But yes hiring is slowing down, at least at the regionals.
What about airlines like Southwest that don't have a regional airline?
www.flyaeroguard.com/learn/how-to-become-a-pilot/how-to-become-a-southwest-airlines-pilot-aeroguard-flight-training-center/
3:50 Raleigh is not pronounced like that also, we are not tiny we are the biggest small town in America
3:45 "and Knoxville..." shows a picture of Nashville.
3:51 "and Greensboro, SC." there is no Greensboro, SC. There's a Greensboro, NC and a Greenville, SC, but no Greensboro, SC.
I think you get paid more if you do your top button up, and tighten your tie properly.
Like saying, how much does a lawyer make in 2024….
every career there are people who are in it just for a good pay check, others are in it because they love it and the money just comes with the job. With that in mind, everyone has their own way to approach their job and quality of life.
Some good info but also misinformation. The pay scales shown are wrong AA has a new contract. Also major airline FOs don’t make twice as much when they upgrade. FO scales now are 70% of captain pay after 5-6 years of longevity.
Millions
can i manually apply to the big airlines after staying in the regional airlines for 5 years?😅😅
I don't see why not if there is openings in the majors.
Sir what is the cost in Australia for international student for pilot training commercial?
I am not familiar with the cost of flight training in Australia.
I started a trucking company that makes just shy of 7 figures. Now it's time to get into flying commercial! 25yrs old
Make sure to check out our online ground school! learn.fly8ma.com/courses/premium-private-pilot-ground-school/
I am an international student going through the training. Would I be able to work in USA after my training is done?
If you get a work permit and convert your license to FAA then yes
That's in today's dollars. In 20 or 30 years, captains could be over a million annually. Who knows?
man that 747 at 8:14 looks scary :D
If i enjoy flying should i become a pilot good pay?
Pay is good but being a pilot is no joke. Takes some sharp minds to operate any kind of craft. We are in the business because we love it and everyone at FL8MA is eager to learn, fly, and practice safe operations. The money comes with it.
I heard the pilot shortage is coming to an end ? ...any truth to it ?
Pilot shortage is projected until 2027
@@Adamdya thanks for your reply!
It's coming to an end
@@Hedgeflexlfz where did you get that information from
Regionals and majors are decreasing hiring, certain airlines are not even hiring anymore@@Adamdya
what if I opt for a 4 year university degree? will that allow me to skip the regionals and go straight to the big leagues?
Nope
Nope still have to climb the ranks
Hey great video, I just had one doubt. As a foreign national what are the requirements usually needed to land a job in the majors? For example if I log in 2000 hours as an airline pilot in India, would I have a chance in the US major? Also I don’t have a 4 year degree
You would need to convert your licenses to FAA, as well as get work authorization or citizenship in the US, if you had those two things it is possible to get hired at the US majors
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 thank you for your response. If you don’t mind, I was also wondering what do the major airlines prefer in a candidate while hiring… experience as a captain in a narrow body or as an FO in a wide body
$40 or $50 grand as a CFI? Here in Florida its about 30....
state by state
Is a bachelors required in this whole process?
Nope
Hello,great video, I am 47 years old,do you think is too late for me to choose to be an airline Pilot?
No not at all. Best place to start would be a discovery flight to see if you enjoy flying before going down this path. Once you've decided if flying is for you checkout our PPL ground school to get started. learn.fly8ma.com/courses/premium-private-pilot-ground-school/
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 thanks for your feedback,should I do de medical examination before starting anything, if you don’t mind,can you please tell me what is the exact name of that medical exam please?
Buddy 40-50 grand for CFI? Try like 25-30
We start CFIs at a minimum of $50k/yr here. Cap out at $100k with additional ratings and experience.
Well we start our CFI's out at 50k/yr
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 daaaaang man, got it better down south huh?😂 are you based in Florida or California?
I don’t want to flight with Jim because it was all about money an he wanted to be doctor . Honest opinion.
Just an example
Meanwhile in Canada….Pilots in their first 4 years with thousands of hours at legacy carriers need two jobs to survive.
Thanks for sharing. that's super unfortunate news
Your pay chart is way old. 12th year 787 FO is now $305.5
What airline?
❣️🤗 Thanks
You’re welcome 😊
Aren’t regionals not hiring anymore because they don’t have enough captains?
Yes
You quit being pilot and suddenly after years you are pilot again... typically American
Rule #1 if your in it for the money don’t do it
Like most avenues but some cant help them selves
Randon question: Whats the tallest pilot youve seen? Im 6'5".
6,9 in the Netherlands
Cries not hired by the airlines above 1500
In basketball terms youll be in the G league
There's going to be huge pilot shortage by 2030 so expect pay to go up
Americans are so lucky
I'm just 13 already watching this kind of videos
Hiring at regionals has slowed to a crawl. Mesa has not hired anyone since November and they are just now going to training. Because of the slow hiring at regionals there are now a lot of CFIs so in many places new CFIs are hardly flying working, and hardly building hours.
Interesting. There will eventually be another wave of hiring. Just be patient.
Your numbers are off. AA starts at 116/hr year one. And if you upgrade its over 300/hr these days. Also wearing your old uniform in the videos is tacky
Now how the heck am i supposed to get 100k ;-;
I'm a private instrument rating but I'm too old.
How old are you?
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European pilot salaries are pathetic compared to the US. Volotea, Vueling, Air Europa pay like 1200 euros per month! While in a US Regional you could be paid $4000 per month or more. It´s pathetic! It´s an insult. Meanwhile, a cashier at a Swiss McDonald´s makes 3300 CHF, per month.
If this is not twisted enough, you can find tickets in Europe to reach 500 euros in a 2-3 hours flight. In comparison you can fly Southwest for $200-$300 with two bags and snacks, while pilots make $8000 per month. Plus 50k sign in bonus that really helps you move wherever you wanna live.
European airlines are a shame and they ask you to have UPRT, MCC and sometimes pay your own type rating and uniform to join them. It really makes you cry. Perverts? Psychopaths?
You are saying absolute bullshits ... 1200 months ? They start as absolute new pilots of cca 5000 EUR / month .
The pay scales you are using for American are out of date. The pay is much higher now. 😮
That's good to hear that pilots are now making more at the airlines.
A boomer closet fly girl all too late for me … back when the best ages, airlines were taking women.
Why no longer a pilot?
I am still a pilot, I just decided that I enjoyed instructing more than flying for the airlines.
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