Once again, resources for the prevention of suicide and crisis outreach. Global Helpline Numbers: blog.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines/ Prevention foundation: afsp.org/ Resource Center: www.sprc.org/
amazon are the worst when it comes to the one star reviews, i was banned from doing reviews forever for simply mentioning a certain movie was woke. allegedly you can repeal that ban, and i have tried multiple times, but if never leads anywhere, so i just decided to not do business with Amazon anymore since. and i hear they are struggling in getting more prime users for over a year now, i wonder if something like this is related? it doesn't help that they keep insisting more movies and shows being woke, so i just don't care anymore about their website.
You have not left in enough details to know what you are talking about without knowing what you are talking about. china sends UV lamps without saying they are UV or swapping in UV. They just do not care. They sell radioactive thorium oxide as fucken jewlery. So much toxic crap being sent around the world from these places.
I half expect amazon to come out and say "We have stopped selling suicide kits since they have been affecting long term profitability and customer retention"
@@skknireeker9073 That you related a person ending their life to a machine shutting down is, on the face, darkly humorous. Yet I can help but think the digitization of our lives is a big part of the reason many lives have become so hopeless.
@@shanosummesteros9563 my point was more abou that i dont see a problem with Amazon selling those kits. Everybody should be able to make their own, uncensored, desicion about their body
This channel is what happens when someone who allows their skills to outgrow their comfort zone. UEP represents a prime (arguably the best I've seen) example of an individual refining a skill, a method, and their presentation, and applying those tools to various other points of interest. Despite the bone chilling topic, we've watched a gaming channel expand into a potentially life-saving investigation and news outlet. Don't ever sell yourselves short or relegate your talent to a narrow sphere; apparently someone's life may depend on it. Well done, sir. Well done.
The corporate mindset combined with the corporate love of automation is really setting Humanity forward on a dystopian roller coaster. Produce, consume, expire in silence.
Well...they love automation because they don't have to pay dozens or hundreds of workers to do the same tasks. And for that, you can thank the incessant calls for increased minimum wages. Or "living wages" as they're so euphemistically referred to. Automation reduces expenses and increases profits while also lightening the load from those few workers who still--theoretically--oversee the machinery. Thing is, though, that humans are terrible at monitoring machinery. Unless there's some kind of alert when bad things happen...they just simply won't notice until it's too late to do anything about it. Plus, humans are really good at generating improbable edge cases that engineers and programmers didn't conceive of. You mix those things together, and it doesn't even need to have any malice behind it to get to that dystopia you mentioned. Just simple, uncomplicated, natural human behavior.
@@nightrunnerxm393 dawg nah you can thank the profit motive for that. you’re right that they love automation because it is way cheaper and makes them way more money, so no matter what the minimum wage is they will always try to cut down the number of personnel needed. however, this is a flaw with unregulated capitalism rather than legislation that at least tries to put bandaids on the economic disparity that exists between the working class and the elites what we should have is a system that allows for automation to help the average worker not need to work as hard and for as many hours, while still producing the same or better output for society, but unchecked capitalists will never let that happen if their goal is only to milk profits out of workers
@@nightrunnerxm393 My dude, increased minimum wages are demanded because of the increased inflation and increased cost of living. Those are not the fault of the workers asking for more money to pay their bills but by bankers and brokers and their politicians serving them.
@@nightrunnerxm393 incessant calls for increased minimum wages would be an excuse to do this, not the real reason. Automated factories did not appear cause people wanted higher wages... Executives are GREEDY and jump at any chance to pay less people. That's why Activism laid off hundreds of employers right after announcing high sales... incessant calls for increased minimum wages has nothing to do w/ this. This is executives stuffing the heck outta their bank accounts like the Activision CEO has who is the most overpaid CEO. Pure greed and full of nonsensical excuses.
Man…I can almost hear a sense of desperation in your voice. You’ve been doing some heavy videos as you look into the darkest corners of the internet to shine some light on them. It probably doesn’t mean much coming from a random guy in your comments section, but I really appreciate all your hard work and your genuine care about these…well…evil things going on and trying to save people from getting caught up in them. Thanks dude. Seriously.
Thank you for your awareness video. Using this chemical, my 22-year-old son took his life on March 21, 2020. My life has changed forever because he isn't in it. He didn't buy it on Amazon (perhaps because the package would've drawn attention) but directly from a vendor who sold it on Amazon as well. He got the instructions for usage from the website that this video mentions. Too late for me but please, keep an eye on what your kids do on the net and the packages they get in mail.
Amazon bundles kits based on the most products commonly bought together. Unfortunately this is another case of algorithm's being put into place without considering the negative side effects. Unsurprisingly chemical X has been entirely removed by amazon since this lawsuit started.
For what it's worth: it's best to not go to war against the website. If you managed to take it down, they'll just set up another website or three. Letting the website remain allows law enforcement, if they can get involved, to look into it and potentially take everyone involved down. The best option would likely be something along the lines of letting the lawsuit play out, informing the FBI about the site, and letting the public know about the sites but never be specific. If the information is too specific, the website owners will just take it down and start up somewhere else.
No matter how hard you fight, whenever you defeat one evil, a hundred shall replace it just around the next bend. What we do is fight--not through legalities, but through cultural warfare. We fight by instilling current and future generations with values that prevent this kind of twisted mentality, and letting the outliers simply burning their filth out with their own mistakes and actions. When possible, apprehend the bad guys. But never, and I mean NEVER, relinquish an opportunity to impart wisdom, values, and care into the foundations of the future. We win by ensuring as many people as possible see this kind of evil is vile and unclean. We thrive by ensuring our children and their children pursue happiness through natural and effective means--things like starting families, reaching personal goals, and instilling traditional and/or religious values upon our children. If we can teach them to be happy, then this swill can never thrive.
You seem to possess a piece of Common Sense most don't. If you take away the Public Square it simply goes deeper Underground until eventually only the worst actors may find it at which there is no way to keep a track of them. It's why despite the possible harm of doing so I fully support keeping terrorists whatever organization whatever websites up instead of immediately killing them because you didn't stop them by getting rid of their meeting place they made a new one and you don't know where it is.
@@QrazyQuarian Interestingly, that's probably why Exodus says you have to execute people for certain offenses. It even says, "You must purge the filth among you." People who pretend to be moral will call that "barbaric", but videos like these show why some of those laws weren't crazy. I can't comprehend why people think their kids need to surrounded by electronics 24/7, especially considering that gen X parents don't know crap about technology and clearly don't care enough about their kids to monitor their online behavior. Kids aren't raised by their parents anymore- they're raised by social media. I told my kids that they won't be getting cell phones until they're 18 (when they can pay for the bill and earn it themselves), and they won't be getting a computer other than the ones issued by their school.
it's because they needed to have competitive prices when there were so many other stores but since they undercut everything it closed down all the mom and pop stores, also with the help of the plandemic, now that they don't have all the competition they can charge whatever the hell they want.
Walmart used to price out all local stores in small towns, probably still do, until they went out of business. Then crank the prices up. It's a loss leader investment for long-term gains. Shop small business.
gotta love "free market". People and their "love of free market" are so oblivious of price undercutting. I can't believe how many people LOVED the "invisible hand" not realizing that this is why "free market" needs regulation. Not the current type of regulation but some kind of regulation from a government where businesses can't "donate" to politicians.
Chemist here. The problem, as I see it, is that Amazon's algorithm underhandedly suggests that this specific chemical is used for self-harm. Regulating purchase of the chemical itself is completely pointless: there are literally hundreds of far more toxic chemicals one can freely buy. There are relatively common plants and mushrooms that are fatal in much lower amounts. Trying to regulate all chemicals that are fatal at this level makes as much sense as forbidding access to bridges, train tracks and cliffs. Ironically enough, what should be forbidden is the use of the chemical as a food additive, as it's been proven to be carcinogenic decades ago, but that's a different matter.
This is a CRAZY story and I haven’t heard a single thing about this on other media outlets. Excellent work putting this together and helping to inform. I’ve been with you for years and it’s incredible to see you go from a games only UA-cam channel to a highly informative and thought provoking media outlet. Bravo.
I do chemistry and I swear if they stop selling affordable chemicals on Amazon I don’t know what to do for my experiments. Ban the self harm kits but don’t remove all the other chemicals which aren’t too toxic in small amounts. Ughhh I hate how a small group of people ruin access to useful stuff for the rest of us
It shouldn't ruin things for the rest of us. People who advocate for control of everyone because a few people are weak as fuck. Other "uncivilized counties" actually understand this.
@@iishadowii7477 Their empathy is fine. I too am sick of the nanny state system and those idiots who usher it in. Better parenting and outreach are important. How about targeting the problem at the source? Something modern society has a hard time grasping. Like overworking and stressing out people in work and school and being so poor you can't even afford rent + food working your average job. 99% of happy, prosperous individuals don't get these urges. Just the miserable, broke ones. This brain dead approach to band aiding problems is a large part of why society is so fucked and beginning to falling over. I am also interested in chemistry and it's appalling how over regulated the world is now. You can't even buy battery acid (Sulphuric Acid) in Australia anymore. You know, to maintain your car battery. It's fucking ludicrous.
@@iishadowii7477 Your reactionary nature is concerning. I can empathize with these suicidal people and still recognize that banning sodium nitrate (a preservative which also has other industrial uses) is a non-solution which only hurts people who weren't planning on hurting themselves. Fix the suggestion algorithm, close these pro-suicide communities, and improve healthcare accessibility (especially for mental health), these are the solutions to this problem.
On a scale of 1 to fucked up, that's fucked up. On the other hand... Rebrand them as Rings of Power Enjoyment Enhancers. Sales will go through the roof.
The sad truth is that algorithms do not have the capacity for human emotions like empathy, concern, or compassion. So they should be fortified and moderated by real humans and never left alone to their own devices, you don't want scenarios like this because a computer suggested it.
What Amazon can do is make it so that when people search for these kinds of products they can provide a link or number to a helpline, much like how google does when you search for methods
I work for a company that relies on automation to gather data. But what sets us apart is that we ensure that REGULARLY the data is reviewed and updated by human hands. For this reason, it makes us better than a lot of our competitors. It's the same thing here, you can't just rely on automation to do the job, it's not enough. Even if it seems insurmountable you need a regular batch of human people handling things as they come in to be sure that no major mistakes have been made.
@@KnakuanaRka Journalism has sadly become a four letter word these past few years so I'd avoid that. What UEG does is of course real journalism, but a lot of things that call itself that is anything but.
@@AnEnderNon A four letter word is a polite way of describing profanity, IE words you use when hitting your thumb with hammer or stepping on Lego. Or when someone hits your car leaving a deep dent or scratch..
@@joekickass8943 like me I just feel people should be allowed to do what they want if they want to die so be it what right do we have to stop them they clearly lost cost and a waste why keep waste around when there so many people fighting just to live another day
@@EmperorDxD Because it's a waste of life. Everyone gets depressed, but immediately reaching for the noose isn't the answer, it's the easy way out. It's the "I don't care anymore, I quite" answer. People invested their time and energy into making you who you are. Throwing that all away because you got depressed and wanted to off yourself is a waste of your life, a waste of all the people around you who put their time and energy into raising you and caring for your needs. The worst part is that suicide doesn't hurt you the most. You're dead, the consequences won't land on you. It's everyone else who has to bury your body and cry who suffers the most. Freedom to do something doesn't mean you should. That goes double for suicide.
@@mq5731 that not a good excuse those people need to go I don't want them to live they don't want to live there here wasting everyone time and energy only human wants to tell another person what to do with their live
I am someone who regularly does chemistry experiments. I have a little lab and what not at home. I order a lot of very dangerous chemicals. The unfortunate truth is that people will find a way to get these things no matter what. It's unfortunate but true
@@bobross7730 I'm a pilot by trade not a chemist so I don't know too much about it. One day I hope to get a degree in chemistry. More for curiosity's sake really. My point is is that I've been able to access very strong oxidants and very strong reducing agents just on my own without having a lab and whatnot
This should be up to the parents to regulate what is bought using their accounts. Items should not be banned because someone kills themselves with it. Those products are used by thousands responsibly as their meant to be used.
I don't believe in globally banning a substance that has legitimate use (Yes chemical X has legitimate use outside of industrial uses) because people misuse it. People can and will misuse anything. This is a problem that needed to be fixed, as you mentioned, culturally and within people's communities. Better community outreach and people just looking out for each other. And those "frequently bought together" algorithms need to be fixed, that is messed up.
@@natman2939 I'm not going to list what it can be used for as that would make it very easy to trace it back to what "chemical x" is and I wouldn't want to undermine all the effort UE put into censoring it.
@@nqgames2954 do you understand that googling “Amazon lawsuit” brings up articles all about it? I’m truly not sure why he’s trying so hard to hide the substance name. I don’t think knowing sodium nitrite exists is any more of a danger to people than knowing cyanide exists: The story is about how wild it is that these things were listed together in a “package” Not that there’s some mysterious new chemical that most people don’t know about. For anyone else wondering apparently it’s mostly a preservative used in deli meats. Not exactly sure how many people buy their own preservatives but oh well.
@@natman2939 yeah its a kit deal and thanks for mentioning the stuff and one of its legit uses i made a comment on how it could be found with a quote search and is it bad i likely know what purple pill comunity was hilighted here i redacted the name in mine mostly to be nice... there are far more certain ways to go. as for why ueg censored the vid i think youtube is to blame in part subjects like this are more then dicey and may result in termination... there was a channel i watched back in the day not mentioning the name as its mostly dead and i would like to preserve it that delt with these type of subjects... i beleve it went silent due to youtubes automated moderation not being able to tell informative content from the kind that encorages the behavor...
Yeah, people who want to end themselves with a minimum of pain can do so easily. It's really not all that difficult, and requires no technology, or anything one could ban. No reason to make massive changes worldwide to get rid of one of a billion ways to do it.
I don't understand the problem, if someone wants to kill himself, help him do it right the first time. If nothing good happened to us so far, then nothing will in the future. We will all die eventually, it is just cutting out worthless years of waiting for nothing and experiencing constant failures and exploitation or being a burden to others.
Thank you so much for this comment. I've been mentally on my whole life medical industry doesn't give a s*** My existence is agony and I rely on the people who brought me into this world as a 40-year-old man because I can't take care of myself My brain is slowly deteriorating and my existence is agony Yet they refuse to let me go because it will cause them momentary sadness
@@Raumplestomp I am myself in a bad situation that won't improve. People who aren't, can't understand that adults should have a choice to end with dignity when there is no hope left. They don't really want us here, but won't let us go because of their outdated ethics. They think it is better to make us wait for the natural end, being dependant of others, each year worse than the last., and give us their fake sympathy and hope so they themselves can feel better. I don't want to persuade anyone, just a conscious choice for myself before it gets too bad even for that.
You are an honorable man, UEG. Not only do you take time and consideration into the research, you act with your moral compass and integrity. Lesser men (myself included), would have doxxed that website without a moments hesitation. You took the time to reflect upon the consequences and your morality relating to those consequences. You're a true journalist, and you have a clear, moral compass, something that a lot of so-called "reporters" and journalists have lost in their pursuit of headline-material and agendas. I hope you keep up this great work for many, many years to come and I wish you all the success in the world.
I was in suicide prevention for many years and ran the National Suicide Prevention Hotline in my state. Those chemicals you mention are CRAZY lethal in the wrong doses. It doesn't take much sadly. More often than not, its not intentional, but accidental by someone who thinks they are just making a cleaning agent.
wow dude accidental? That kinda changes things for me. I've attempted suicide twice and I've had friends overdose / off themselves and since then I tend to be one of those people who's like "fuck that selfish bullshit you aren't on this earth for you; you're here for the people you support. Life is supposed to be torture and suicide is weak" so if someone wants to off themselves and get out of everyone else's way I have no problem with it. To me it's an indication of an immoral character. But by accident? We should increase availability of educational materials for people. I think it should still be sold on Amazon if educational materials are out there and some moron offs themselves that's just natural selection. #1 thing though is our society should not be compulsory and proactive. Our society should be exclusively voluntary and reactive. Which means we respond to things by learning and sharing information with each other. We should not try to prevent things through control.
Ive been in dark places, but banning chemicals its how we lost aircraft remover. It has made life very difficult stripping off layers of paint, bondo and other things. It forces me to send things to acid baths because two dummies didnt follow instructions, but congress listened to the mothers of said dummies. I have zero sympathy for Darwin award recipients. Also, banning things as a means of alleviate guilt of a parent that couldnt be bothered to care is also not my problem. We get so focused on safety that, we dont think of how depressing live would be when everything is banned, regulated, licensed, etc, and were just litle slaves in safe pods. Screw that life.
Oops, the usage you mentioned caused me to know what this chemical is now. No worries. I'm not interested in adding to the problem so I'll keep it to myself. But sufficeth to say, I work in the funeral industry. I've picked up more than one person who have either intentionally or accidentally killed themselves and others in this manner. Don't mix chemicals unless you know what it will do!
@@ArDeeMee hey I get your perspective I totally do and there a level of really high emotional intelligence there but suicide is a "me first" behavior. It's a decision that you are going to put your feelings and wants over the feelings of others. Life is supposed to hurt. Pain is the greatest teacher. To refuse to step up to the plate and to say "I'm more important that the entire game" will only spiritually result in you waking up right back here in the third dimension to learn the same lesson all over again. Some people call is reincarnation. So suicide doesn't even accomplish anything. It's not even a viable escape. There is no escape. There is no hiding. There is only facing your demons or insecurities whichever you call it and coming to peace with the fact that you aren't in charge and you aren't here for you you're here for your squad and theyre here for you. We either exist inside God or the mathematical system of the universe whichever you call it (same thing) our life is a series of symbols manifested through an interdimensional dialogue between us and ourselves. Suicide ignores all that to just say "i want the pain to stop" but that's impossible and suicide won't accomplish that. The pain will never stop until you acknowledge the lesson it is there to teach you. No matter what you do EDIT: and the self-defeating psychosis that comes with suicidal depression isn't genuine. The "I only drag people down" thoughts. It's a dialogue designed to excuse the choice of suicide in the person's mind. It was for me. I also used it because I had become addicted to the depression and self defeating emotions. That feeling in your chest from your endocrine system. I still am. I just now recognize how unintellectual those thought processes are
@@Merc399 "you're here for your squad" lmfao dude come on. Not everyone is like you and acts depressed for attention. Suicide isn't selfish, people wanting to keep you alive to take advantage of you is pretty selfish.
@@ragnarokodinsson2017 I don't even know how you begin to square that circle, but the fact is this just isn't a gaming channel at this point. Nothing wrong with that, I love UE but my point remains
I recommended a video from the channel to someone I know IRL and they instantly turned off when they saw gaming in the name, they would have loved the majority of content as of late...
UE himself has acknowledged this isn't much of a gaming channel anymore. He hasn't made a gaming related video in many months. There's nothing wrong with dropping the name. All it does is create an expectation of gaming related content, which isn't what the channel is focused on anymore.
I once needed, let's say chemical Y and found it on ebay, the seller wrote and ask why and for what purpose (insecticide in that case) I needed chemical Y. I was surprised he even cared. Good dude.
It's probably also to cover his ass. If you commit suicide and he didn't do the due diligence of checking why you needed it, there's a small chance he could be liable for something.
I have depression and GAD so I can relate. My honest opinion is yes a company should take care of possible exploitation of their Algorithms. Im also firm believer of Survival of the Fittest and understand that depression is genetic and environmental. I also support the idea of euthanize or assisted suicide. Suicide is the ultimate expression of freedom or free will. To be free from sickness, pain, evil, corruption, and your eminent doom is not a bad idea. It wasn’t your idea to be born why should you suffer for a life time? Cruel, if you ask me. If I don’t want to be here who are all of you to stop me? What gives you the “right” to control someone’s life if you truly believe in the autonomy of free will? Some food for thought.
Because there’s a lot more to live for than just this moment; there are resources and people out there to help people dealing with these issues, and help them live a fulfilling life and reach a potential they may not have imagined. I’ve had personal experience with this; a close relative of mine was dealing with serious depression for a while, but after some therapy and medicines, you could hardly tell. I understand cases of assisted suicide and euthanasia where someone is terminally ill and can’t be treated, but a lot of the people who would want these kits or to kill themselves in other ways are likely traumatized by their past and other events, at their darkest hour, and not really in a state to understand their situation and make the best choices. Suicide isn’t ending their suffering; it’s ending their chance at happiness and something more. And as for survival of the fittest, mankind’s niche is in its intelligence and cooperation; we’ve gotten to where we are by working together and finding mutually beneficial interactions. We all have our moments of strength and weakness; ideally, we can all support each other in our times and areas of weakness and be supported in turn, and find a place where we can use our strengths to help others. If someone with issues like depression can, with some support, find a place in the world and benefit society, I’m not going to abandon them.
Because pain and suffering is part of living a life, for every animal - it's the stimuli that reminds us that we have to either change ourselves or change the environment. Suffering and pain are warnings or signals forcing us to re-evaluate what we are doing wrong, or what something else is doing wrong - they are not end goals or the static thing
It is an interesting discussion to be had. The Stoics were very much for "the right of every man to take his own life", and they believed that in some cases suicide was more commendable than living (Marcus Cato chose to die rather than live in disgrace, for example). "The best thing which eternal law ever ordained was that it allowed to us one entrance into life, but many exits. 15. Must I await the cruelty either of disease or of man, when I can depart through the midst of torture, and shake off my troubles? This is the one reason why we cannot complain of life: it keeps no one against his will. Humanity is well situated, because no man is unhappy except by his own fault. Live, if you so desire; if not, you may return to the place whence you came." - Seneca's Moral Letters, 70, "On the Proper Time to Slip the Cable" However, these "virtuous suicides" aren't the majority, and you can make the case that somebody opting for suicide isn't in their right of mind, and therefor isn't free. The psychologist Rollo May argues that we become more free by becoming aware of the unconscious patterns and drives within our psyche, so it follows that if you're being driven by unconscious forces, you're not truly free (Man's Search for Himself). In short, suicide prompted by deliberate reason is a choice, and every person's choice, but suicide that's the product of despair or of a sick mind can't be considered a choice.
You have done an excellent job on an incredibly sensitive and evocative subject. Especially not allowing your personal feelings on the subject, to cloud your true journalistic endeavour. We need more people like you . “Open minded , sensitive and not swayed by a need to save the world by hunting other peoples beliefs no matter how difficult it is “ I’ve been following you for a few years now and respect the transition you have made and also admire your candid approach to multiple different perspectives . This was a difficult subject and I personally have the upmost respect for the way you have handled it. Respect ✊
Devil's advocate here...I had a few friends try to delete themselves multiple times around turn of century and one that took his dads projectile thing to his head up at top of the world in laguna beach and killed himself as a teen. I had countless other run ins with people who died of OD or had siblings died of OD which is usually accidental, so I will ignore for this. There is NOTHING you can do to predict or stop the deletion when it really is going to happen with young males. That's always the sad thing...if they tell you, it's a "cry for attention." If they fail at the attempt, it seems to always be a cry for attention/help with depression or whatever you want to call it. You cannot ban every unsafe thing in the world...are we going to ban cliffs, cars in garages, windows in skyscrapers, water, and the million other ways people will do this? This is nothing more than an attempt to place blame on a corporation, which is fine, but the sale of something should have a warning about the dangers. Plenty of chemicals I do have 89787 warning labels on them. We cannot pad the world for safety...people will always find a way to do what they want to do in this regard. We need to actually address the reason they feel that way to begin with...
Outreach is ideal but it can backfire and make things worse. I told a counsellor about something I did that I think contributes to my depression. And they stopped me and said that thing I did was outside of their area of expertise, they don’t have experience with it and I should talk to someone else. They made me feel weirder about the thing I already feel weird about and made me MORE depressed.
I love your train of thought because it ultimately points out what is wrong with this reality,it is not organic but controlled and therefore stagnant Fantastic upload drawing light to the darker side of humanity and shows your compassion to those struggling with everyday normality,”just because you can does not equate too you should “.
@@Ultronmclovin What strawman? What denial? Not everybody can be helped. This is the harsh truth of the world. Edit: Just look at illnesses that cause chronic pain. Full-blown dementia patients that do not wish to see themselves revert to shitting their pants. Its not just whimsical teenagers that attempt to kill themselves, you know.
As someone with intrusive thoughts of self-harm, I thank you for keeping me safe. Your video was executed beautifully to be informative without being triggering or enabling, and you have earned my deepest respect. I will be passing this along to my therapist in the hopes of protecting other vulnerable people like myself.
Thank you very much for your comment. I would really appreciate it if you could find mine and other comments and upvote them and maybe even make a comment. I live in agony. I have mental illness and I always have. My brain is slowly deteriorating and I have no way to stop it. Ever since I got covid I become physically disabled as well. The only problem is I don't get disability I don't get housing support. I live off of the scraps of those who have compassion for me. I'm forced to live in existence of agony because it's too painful for other people to let me go. Or because they believe that I'll go to h3ll.
it's insane how there are indirect serial killers lying around the internet teaching others how to do this. This NEEDS to be stopped and fixed as soon as possible. I bad extremely bad for the people who were not at a good mental state who encountered said people.
Damn and I thought that the whole “gram scale + Lego shovel + tiny ziplock bag” recommendation was a deep as the Amazon product suggestion rabbit hole went
The tragic thing is even if Amazon stopped selling these things, the people who died would just think of something else. It’s a horrible world to live in, it’s tougher and tougher to give people a reason to keep going. Divorce rates are high, unemployment rates are high, crime rates are high, everything is getting more and more expensive with less and less ways to pay for anything… It’s not a fun planet to live on.
Reminds me of something I've heard of years ago in Japan. People were mixing these common chemicals and all they do is inhale it to end themselves. The chemicals were common, it was quiet and if they breathe it in their sleep, that's it, they never wake up.
Thank you for this amazing video. I work for a state health departments for about 8 years or so, previously on pharmaceutical and now on psychological aid for underaged patients. And I gotta say having to work with kids, some as young as 8 year old, that have suicidal thoughts or that have reoccurring self harm behavior, and some that even actually tried to end their own lives is more common than you think. Most people don't realize how often this cases happen and It is extremely important to raise awareness of such forums, and online platform that actually sell stuff like this to anyone without any regulation at all. Again thanks for the amazing content.
As I and others have said before and keep saying how about being a parent and teaching your kids instead of whinging online for more gov oversight and nannystates? All you do is make it worse for everyone. All the jobs you listed have helped no one and only served to further drug up the people and push this insane nonsense we see going on today.
Interestingly, this story has suddenly hit my news feed this morning. It was published at 5am on Oct 9th. I heard it here first, and with far more consideration for the implications of reporting on this sensitive topic. Please keep doing what you are doing. It's important to hear these stories from someone with high ethical standards.
As someone who was on the verge of.... you know... for along time, knowing there are people and things put in place to encourage/enable it honestly makes me sick. You really are a hero, for bringing light to these things in such a kind and caring manner, never bowing to greed and corruption. It makes me grateful knowing that our world does actually have genuine people like yourself. Thanks for being such a wonderful creator and person
Honestly, i dont agree with removing people's right to end their life. Trying to convince people to do so, should be punished hard tho. For example, i have no plans to end my life, unless predetermined highly unlikely things happen. Like there are points you can reach where continuing doesnt make sense..
Just imagine the situation: someone is terminally ill, is in constant pain, has noone in their life and is in crippling debt with no way of getting rid of it. Do you think its better for this person to live the rest of their life while being miserable and wanting to end it the whole time, or Allowing them to end the suffering and let their consciousness fade into nothingness. Would you rather be miserable and in pain your whole life, or not be at all?
Removing people's right is a bad thing..but making the act so easy that it becomes someone's first choice is arguably worse. While a few extra steps in the way won't stop the truly determined in truly bad circumstances, they'll stop some who are just looking for an easy way out of a temporary situation.
Best channel on YT. Keep digging up this stuff man. The world our children are entering is scary enough without all this horrible crap on the internet. We must pay attention. Thank you, UEG.
@@gharm9129 exactly what I'm advocating for. Screw the government; it's become evident that they want our children to be as unhealthy as possible, in body as well as in mind. This video is among myriad wakeup calls to parents to begin paying attention. Anyone who sees this and has kids should immediately PAY ATTENTION, maybe even begin limiting exposure. For our part, my wife and I are determined to keep our little ones completely off the internet for as long as humanly possible. Now we've got one a year-and- a-half old with #2 on the way so it's not hard now but the decision has been made. You seem like someone who understands one of the root problems of our society. Your comment could be applied to so many phenomena and trends I see today. Pray for wisdom for all parents. And if you have kids I pray for wisdom for you too. God bless you. Keep your eyes open and your children educated.
Bone-chilling report. And....a wake-up call of sorts. I've been suffering with chronic depression perhaps my whole life, from abuses I've sustained outside of my home as a child, including one attempt of CSA from two older boys, high-school age, claiming to be friends of my brothers but wanted to use me as a blackmail scheme against my brother (long story in and of itself) and one assault from another student in junior high. My parents were aware of the bullying but only my older brother was aware of the later "issue" (my poor "knight" went to his grave never knowing about the former). But I survived, goodness knows how, but with a caring family I never felt alone but now along side being treated for adult onset ADHD, with my doctor's close care I'm learning how to cope with both my ADHD and my depression. I don't want to go into any more personal details but in terms of the topic at hand, (even though I'm sure this was a very hard subject to cover) I'm glad you did. From a very early age, I discovered I had a talent for writing and instead of engaging in self-harm, I vented everything I was going through in journals, recording both happy and sad things. Writing has always worked for me. Then again, when I was young, the internet wasn't even a thing. Sometimes I really feel that the Internet has become the greatest gift to humanity and also the greatest curse. But the Internet is like anything else: it's just a tool. But it's humans that must decide how best to use it. Machine Learning is also just another tool, but it shouldn't be a substitute for human oversight. And that's what many of these websites are lacking: AI's are great for search but humans should be mindful of what other humans make available on their websites. This is where sites like Amazon are failing users. Perhaps, I'm preaching to the choir on this. Again, thanks for this video. I'm always going to appreciate those folks who make others aware of the darkness that lurks on the Internet, even though it comes at great cost (maybe?) to the one presenting that awareness. As always, UEG: please continue to bringing light to the Web's darkest corners. It will always be appreciated and acknowledged. Thank you. ❤
I find it hard to blame amazon given their business model. Fact of the matter is two fold: 1: some people find it so hard to get the help they need mentally due to cost that they end up going this route because its cheap and easy and 2: For those with terminal illness or severe chronic pain, there is no easy way to do this via the medical system, at least here in the US. This is just a result of these facts and not necessarily purely nefarious. We need to be addressing those two points and it would make something like this no longer needed and thus not profitable.
I remember I started watching you after The Division was released. For build videos. And myself have grown since then. But fully support everything you have been doing. Keep up the good work
This is a clever approach, the concept of not just immediately knee jerk attacking something on sight because its morally unjust and down right disgusting is by far the single most intelligent thing ive seen anyone do on the internet in about 12 years, especially for someone who fights against unjust censorship it would be quite hypocritical to let emotions take hold and go full warlord on things you don't consider "just". your 100% correct imo. "if someone is struggling, outreach is the best remedy. " i think we need more people like you sir.
I've watched a lot of your videos and many are very interesting and well thought out topics, but on this one I have to take a voice of dissent. This is the kind of over-the-edge thing in mainstream media that makes me want to inhale a deadly toxic carcinogen. It's becoming rife on YT with shock rhetoric and the goal of inciting emotionalism... with a sponsor's advert of course. I've listed just three main points. ONE: The mainstream media CLAIM that this "compound x" is not a "household product" is rubbish. I use this evil compound x in my kitchen to make my own jerky and sausage! Yes. I eat it! In fact, I have many poisons. There are lots of things in nature that are poisonous. I also buy and safely store cyanide baits to control, moles, gopher and rat infestations, as well as dangerous biocide accelerators to manage animal waste (poop) for making organic compost for organic vegetables, not to mention my collection of firearms (for hunt'n squirrels n' such.) No. I'm not an off-grid weirdo... just a fun rural guy who loves the smell of horse shit in the morning. TWO: Wonderfully Informative! Providing information on how to shed this mortal coil is nothing new! Long before this crazy outrageous thing called the internet existed, there were books published for decades on how to off oneself. In the 1990s, the biggest and most controversial book on NYT Best Seller was "Final Exit." These books were published after shock news stories emerged on the heels of the tragic Karen Ann Quinlan story and debate over the enormous controversy surrounding euthanasia and terrifying fear of being kept alive against one's own will. There were cries of bitter outrage on both sides of the debate as books found their way (purportedly) into the hands of those suffering from depression - though no one really knows the facts from the individuals in question since the court cases were from grieving loved ones and lawyers collecting their fees. Still, it didn't stop the media from making it national news for their sponsors and referring to euthanasia as "assisted suicide," because "assisted suicide" has a more shocking ring to it ... particularly that lovely ringing sound of marketing & advertising dollars. THREE. Suicide Police! It's sad and tragic hearing of two teen deaths - no, ifs ands or buts. Makes me truly sad. Still, this is all very well-plowed ground of controversy, shock mongering and hate incitement if you check history and remove the emotionalism. Yet, we're off to the races without much rational examination, substantiated evidence or unblurry source materiel. (Sorry, I'm just not that trusting.) We live in a social media time of simply inserting emotional trigger words and all things magically become believable. In fact, I'll ignore the trigger words "teen" instead of saying "young adult" or referring to someone as having a "mental disorder" simply because they may have pondered something every human has at least thought about in some way or another - suicide. We seem unable to view it dispassionately and examine it without our preconceptions fogging any rational discourse. But I digress. Here's my point. Any time I hear of a young person going to great extent and research before taking their life (and maybe take a few others with them), I'm asking myself (in exasperation), "Where's the f*cking moronic parents in this story?!" No, I mean f*cking REALLY?! Teen years are brutal! Where are all the parents responsible for keeping a close eye on their children's well being and listening to how the wheels are turning in those youthfully confused and puzzled brains? I'll tell you - they're 21st century self-obsessed escape artists, breaking from reality whenever they can, eschewing all accountability and embracing the warmth of victimhood like a cuddle blanket with noses buried in their favorite social platforms, all while taking their beautiful and precious offspring - their miracles of life - completely for granted. CONCLUSION: Blame Amazon! Those bastards! But please continue shipping my important poisons to the door - particularly those precious bottles keeping my dry bar well stocked! Yes! I also order my liquor from Amazon and god bless them and their poisons! Lest we forget, beloved Jack Daniel's Old No. 7 is a poison loved all over the world! So it's hereby officially established that we like and need our poisons! If not, why would we keep buying these poisons? Naturally, we must ingest and apply them responsibly (this msg brought to you by Anheuser-Busch incidentally). Yet it begs the question - would you blur out an image of Old Jack Daniels Black Label if the topic was teen alcohol poisonings? I'm guessing not. That particular poison is socially acceptable. Even after the CDC reports an average of 54 teen deaths to alcohol poisoning per year! See where this goes intellectually right? Nevertheless we debate the BIG question - should we damn Amazon and make big box stores like Home Depot police customers at the checkout as SUSPECT, all because they're standing in the checkout line carrying a rope, ladder, Jack Daniels and book entitled: "How to Tie Knots." ATTENTION! Security police at isle four immediately - we got a suicide risk!
People have a right to end their own life if they so wish. I don't think it's ever a good idea, but I'm not living their life so I can't tell them not to. If people want to discuss methods then they should be able to do that as well. Selling a product that's basically a suicide kit is all kinds of morbid and it's wrong from an ethical standpoint, but not from a legal one. People who are that determined to die will find a way.
Thank you James. I beg you to please find my comment and like it to bring attention to actual person who is forced to be alive despite being disabled, yet denied the resources they need to live a rewarding life. Honestly I don't think that all the resources in the world could fix me and my suffering. It would take first class medical treatment and a whole host of other services to help me live a rewarding life. I'm basically that dude off The Goonies. I live off of scraps for my caretakers. And I get no real help with my complex medical problems. I live in constant pain and agony. Yet as long as I'm not talking about ending my life nobody f****** cares
I personally don't like suicide, but if you want to do it that's your choice. I don't quite see the problem as long as the product description says it is poisonous to humans, dogs, etc.
The way that they off themselves has just changed. It didn’t change the amount of people that were doing it… It’s not like someone was going to try and buy some thing and then they said oh maybe I should just off myself…. Like the people that do it with a certain chemical are just doing it that way because honestly that sounds less of a hassle than all the other ways
Agreed, its dumb to ban a chemical just cause iss poisons or toxic, the parents suing are the same people who cause parks to remove swing sets cause they're "dangerous". Its disgusting watching these people further the nanny state & cause the banning of anything that can give you a boo boo
This is absolutely horrifying. When I watched Futurama for the first time many years ago, I thought the idea of the "stop n' drop" self deletion booth was absurd. Now, the idea sounds more possible in the future than I could have ever imagined.
If someone wants to off themselves that's their choice. You don't get to decide someone elses path and if that's what they want to do to themselves then that's their choice.
Thank you so much for your comment. My existence is agony. my brain is deteriorating. The healthcare industry couldn't care less. I have certain people in my life that are struggling to help me keep alive. Unfortunately I'm just bringing them down with me. I don't think there's enough resources in the world to help me live a rewarding productive life.
Months after watching this video, Tantacrul released a video about Website X. After scrolling through the forums, somehow, I was reminded of this video because they were talking about a method that involves Chemical X and when I reached the point where the website was mentioned, it felt like a eureka moment to me. It felt surreal knowing that it was the same website you mentioned here. I have seen a thread about a user I will call User M. User M posted a final thread where she will use Chemical X with instructions following her regiment. Reading the replies and her replies to those replies, it made me feel really sad. I felt like I wanted to do something but it was a thread almost 2 years ago. A user that I'll call User L documented User M's death too which made me wonder, why didn't anyone try to stop User M? Their ideology is very troubling and sad. It's disgusting and dangerous. Sorry if it's unrelated to Amazon but I really wanted to share this. It was very troubling to see.
dude, you're one of the few channels that really looks into things. your coverage of these topics is top notch! please keep being a roll model for ethical reporting!
I appreciate your nuance, as usual. This topic though... I live in the Netherlands where (contrary to popular belief) we do not have dispensers for shall we say exit pills? In the last several decades there's been fierce debate on the exit option, for those in unending suffering. However, while there is that option (only after several professionals have been heard) we actually do a lot to prevent the need for that. Even those on board (radically) with the option like Stichting de Einder do a lot of preventative work. Which includes stopping dangerous and often inaccurate recipes found online. Though I do feel that people in suffering deserve an option, no-one in their right mind would condone the recipes offered by quacks, sadists and other malefic actors. Given that they rarely work and/or cause excruciating pains, scarring and worse. Except Amazon, apparently. Though things are regulated here, thankfully, I must urge those in the USA to rectify this atrocious corporate waffling. Regulate, enforce and punish Amazon or any similar company. But, and that's the damn big BUT: y'all should do more to take away the root causes of people wanting to take the exit option. Mental- and physical healthcare should be available at no or low cost to all. Religious oppression by the radical christians (and their charlatan leaders) should be terminated by law, as there is no freedom of religion without freedom from religion. And... try to be a bit nicer to people who struggle through life. Look to increase wages, improve communities and organisations... maybe take a few steps out of your comfort zone to think on if you are doing things in a way that'll make this world a bit better.
I’m going to be honest with you I saw your tik tok video pop up last month and I watched maybe 3 minutes of it and left because it didn’t interest me, I have all of my socals on a time limit and after redownloading tik tok and noticed that I kept pressing “ignore time limit.” I decided my self to no longer use the platform. This procces all happened within the same month your video was posted. I wanted to watch your most recent video on a topic like this and decided to go back and the algorithm is toxic because of how good it is at keeping you looking at the screen. Thank you for bringing content that is worth watching as you have educated me on the inner working on common used application or sites .
I understand what chemical you're talking about. I never really thought about how at high concentrations it could definitely kill you. Most likely because you would instantly vomit it backup. The fact that somebody thought it out enough to use Stomach medication To prevent you from vomiting, shows a really twisted mind.
How do you know? There are thousands of "powerful oxidizers", all of which are deadly when consumed. You can die from just about every household cleaning chemical (it's absolute torture though, not sure why anyone would go out that way)
@@userequaltoNull You just answered your own question. Why would anyone go through torture when there is a "Chemical Harakiri for Dummies" available. (curing salt)
@@Dies_Das_Ananas Yep, i've been in Finnish army and we were on shooting range when one dude put the barrel under his chin and fired. the "7.62mm projectile" exited through his cheeck and didn't kill him. But they neede fire department to wash the blood out of the ceiling and walls, propably ten meter radius got covered in blood. :D
I have boycotted Amazon for years due to their useless labor practices. I can not in good conscience support a company that vilifies it´s own employees. This crap is on a whole new level of madness...
@@nathanmcbow158 They should at least be transparent about the whole ordeal and they should get back to do service for the people. I may have bought things off of Amazon, but that's it.
Should there be a criminal or civil penalties for the clerk at the local armory who recommends a particular firearm to a customer who asks for something to accommodate large hands because they plan to insert a big toe into the trigger well? Should we strip a patient of the ability to be prescribed narcotic medication on a long-term basis because of the deleterious health repercussions? The whole reason that someone ends up in such a dark place to begin with is their internal sense of powerlessness/inability to affect positive change on the trajectory of their daily life and further stripping as The capacity to make changes is only going to push them deeper into the pit of despair. I needed treatment of physical conditions 12 years ago and the only Avenue that I could find through my current insurance plan that I had at the time necessitated my being willing to undergo three or four days of inpatient psychiatric treatment to rule out all psychological problems. That experience still haunts me to this day and if I was a psychologically broken person, I am convinced that the well-meaning intervention would’ve actually pushed me much closer to making an irrevocable decision. The greatest effect we can have in the world is to make the stigma of discussing profound brokenness in daily conversation to fade into the past. If people felt free to discuss their troubles we could help redirect that energy and present others with our own effective methods of turning hopelessness and powerlessness into competency and empowerment.
Its a real shame that 'this topic' is on the increase as of late, been hearing from various first responders, from all around the world, that there has been a sharp increase over the last few years...and we're now starting to get goverments that are now, indirectly, supporting it (Belgium for example) people need mental health care, not medically assisted 'this topic'...
@Lawofimprobability I'm unsure if youre trying to spin the governmental bodies choosing the easy way as the logical conclusion. There was a story recently proving that they don't just offer it but suggest it.
maybe so...but then again they'll never ask for a refund and at the end of the day thats the corporate dystopian wet dream companies appear to be chasing. It's not about creating a quality product to sell. It's about selling anything at all morals be damned so long as they get to keep the money.
My sir, I thank you endlessly for your journalism but at the same time I feel for you. It must be a real bummer to slog through these stories to deliver the facts the way you do. All the more respect to you for it.
I never expected something like this to ever be sold on the surface web, What a time to be alive. Yeah, a warning of sorts about this is surely in place, seeing most zoomers trying everything they can get their hands on. (remember tiktok challanges)
@@J0SHUAKANE you can. Yes. You can actually buy everything you need to Minecraft yourself at any grossery store. That doesn't mean they should make it easier by bundling it with a literal manual on how to.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo you really think an employee at amazon bundled that stuff together? No, it was because thats what people searched for. Google search results used to be the same way. Neither amazon nor google are to blame.
@@J0SHUAKANE They are responsible for the parameters of their AIs. If they wanted they could shadowban the book in bundling options. Or all the things together. Besides, why are they buying a book with nothing good to offer to begin with. They ban harmless books for less.
I heard of one woman who noticed that "Chemical x" had been ordered and canceled it. Sadly, the package inadvertently arrived anyway, and her child took his or her life. If you notice that "Chemical x" has been ordered, by all means cancel the order, but I think it would also be wise to monitor all incoming packages for awhile, just in case it accidentally arrives anyway.
It's odd that Amazon would want to sell these kits. Their goal is to sell as many products as they can and someone that uses one of these kits won't be able to buy anything else.
It’s very weird that it seems like so many billionaires and governments are actively trying to lower their populations, either intentionally or not. Either they’re incompetent or they know something we don’t.
I don’t think they WANT to it seems more unintentional but the algorithms they have in place are bundling these things together because people often buy them together to leave the planet. At the same time, there should have been some red flags at some point on their end
@@absolutelydegenerate1900 "there should have been some red flags at some point" That would require there being someone to look through this and realise what is happening. But that would also cost money, and we can't have things cost money in a MULTIBILLION DOLLAR corporation, now can we.
I partially can’t help but wonder if it’s more that it’s such a huge company that it would be impossible to keep an eye on without using bots which might only result in something much worse. But who can say since it’s not been done
Probably won't have many people agreeing with me on this one, but this is not an Amazon problem, this is a regulatory problem... The responsibility lies with the government or regulatory agency in those countries. Machine learn algorithms will always have edge cases, handling those edge cases requires very complex systems and an army of people, both of which cost a lot of money for businesses... If not required by law, there's no way a business would deliberately support those costs because of a few edge cases that from a statistical stand point are irrelevant, regardless of how large their impact might be. Almost everything we do online uses machine learning to make our lives easier. There are side effects to this... But don't forget how much every single one of us benefits from it.
In many ways life now feels less convenient and more stressful than ever. With the amount of harmful things being pushed on us and lies and scams to watch out for I feel serious nostalgia.
not that I am criticizing, at all, but I would say forward this to Project: Veritas, and let them run rampant with it. This would pretty much guarantee a dead stop to this particular point-of-sale being available.
As someone who lost a close family member to suicide, I thank you UEG, for speaking up about this problem! Between the time when people, because of severe depression, terminal illness or other possible triggers, first begin having suicidal thoughts, and the moment when they "firmly" decide they'll be taking their own life, usually they have spent a lot of time thinking about their decision, tormented, in self-doubt, re-evaluating their lives, but also planning how they would do it. If a suicidal person has in their possession the means to perform, what is considered an easy, quick or "painless" death (pills, firearms, exhaust fumes, etc.), they more often do it on impulse (usually after the next stressful event, depressing day, or argument they had) or with much less hesitation than the person that does not. Feeling pain and fear of death are not things we can simply switch off. A lot of the times, those that try to commit suicide in more complicated ways, aren't successful because of fear, their survival instinct kicking in, or because pain changes their mind. That time, before they make yet another suicide attempt, is often the last chance people around them will have to act, to try persuading them to seek and accept help, to show them they'll have support, that they are loved and will be missed, with the ultimate goal of saving their life! Finding out that there are people out there, greedy enough to literally sell a suicidal human being something that will make it easier for them to kill themselves, including "a spoonful of sugar" to stop the body from rejecting those chemicals, thus making their death even more certain, made me have even less faith in humanity than before! These are literal death dealers without any sense of remorse or guilt, as their only goal is to maximize their profit! Even though I understand that everyone is the master of their own destiny, I will never condone suicide! But preying on the suicidal for profit has to guarantee those death dealers their own circle in hell! Once again I thank you UEG for making this video, raising awareness that this death dealing business is also being done online, and hope that those with power to stop it will act and punish all involved!
I am sorry for your loss, I really am. However, all you manage to do through these words is invalidate the deliberations (and suffering) this person went through, and it invalidates their autonomy and freedom of choice. And why? Because you are uncomfortable around a concept that this person was more familiar and comfortable with. And guess what? Death is utterly inevitable for everyone. "I understand that everyone is the master of their own destiny, I will never condone suicide!" This is the exact same mentality and rethoric that anti-abortionists maintain. Even to the point of having a comparable outcome; when legally prohibited, people will seek out alternative, more harmful methods to achieve the exact same thing. And since it is so exceedingly similar, I can ask you the same as I ask those people; Why or how should your own personal convictions, limit the freedom and autonomy others have over their own life? What enables you to see yourself as that authority figure or mortal arbiter?
@@MrYelly If that is what you got from my comment you must be just a PC thug and a SJW wannabe! I am talking about some death dealer making it much easier for people to commit suicide! When a person is dead you can no longer try to better their mental health or help them go through their struggle with their problems, because you love them and don't want them dead! You just want to change the narrative saying I am the same as someone who is against abortions! Like suicide is a just personal choice similar to choosing what you like to wear! Most suicides are preventable deaths if provided with help! You just invalidated your first sentence where you say you are sorry for my loss. You are not sorry for anyone! So, please, go spread your political ideology on some other virtue signalling popular issue!
@@MrYelly if you were to Ask me that, id argue its because suicide isn't Just about the One doing It, since It harms all Those close to them, too. Say someone's wife dies in a tragic accident, and the husband takes his own Life out of Grief. The family of the husband Is now in Grief too. Maybe someone Will do the same as he did (oversiplification, i know, but over time stuff like this does stack up and drag you down), and open something akin to a reverse cicle of violence. Additionally, The reason many do or try to do It Is because they don't think anyone Will care, wich Is Just false, so they are doing It on false premises too. There Is also the more moral/spiritual stance of It Not beeing up to us to decide when its time to go, but many people today are not particularly Religius OR Spiritual in general, so that argument Is very case-dependant.
@@inserisciunnome So you'd say life is to be lived, purely for the sake of others? I can't quite tell which is more selfish. In the example of the wife and husband, and the context of children, then it would be the rational and responsible thing to carry on for them. Otherwise, without those direct responsibilities towards minors who are unable to take care of themselves, it's quite up to the metaphorical person in question. And frankly, no one is really able to prevent that. We can judge and determine that it is a waste, a loss, but it stays still at those words. The person already decided, and we ought to accept that, or at least put it in the most humane perspective possible. And yes, that includes therapy, social network as support and even forms of rehabilitation in case of direct correlation to a certain happening or traumatic occurance. The alternative methods however, that offer a possibility to be painless, instant, are immensely traumatizing for every person who witnesses the act, or the scene after. It is not a matter of automatisation, or shoveling the shards under the carpet in secrecy, it is about reminding ourselves of the natural aspects of death.
I too am sorry for your loss, but you seem to be denying people the right to personal autonomy. By saying you don't 'condone' suicide you seem to be judging it as immoral in some way. Perhaps you are religious, idk but I don't think any of us has the right to stop another person ending their suffering if that's what they decide to do. It behoves all of us to realise that we all may have a breaking point and just because you haven't reached yours doesn't give you the right to judge a person who has.
job well done sir. and sadly, another point in choosing to target, or not target this suicide website/forum and "mark the ghost" is that they won't stop, and targeting them just drives them further underground where it's harder to monitor them. "mark the ghost" is a monster who will pay for his crimes in this life, or the next, but you made the right call here. a social crusade would be a temporary victory and a long term loss.
I've been a subscriber since you called out deceptive gaming advertising practice from a specific game which offers ludicrous contract to content creators. I admit I wasn't too sure when you took the turn to cover topics outside gaming industries but the amount of work and integrity you put into tackling these issues has convinced me that there are still hope for humanity. Never stop doing what you do, good sir.
"Emotional campaigns to destroy something we disagree with is a slippery slope." It absolutely is, but it's also largely unsuccessful and only serves to draw more attention to the thing you try to destroy, so not naming them is the better call for accomplishing your objectives anyway.
I honestly fail to see the problem 8 minutes in. Amazon has millions of users/sellers/products. Sure they should do something when aware, but you can't push intent onto an algorithm. No one at Amazon put those items together manually. Edit: So a third party website pushed people onto those items, the algorithm recognized it and put them together. So it literally did what it was supposed to do. Where's the outrage? If anything you can point at the website promoting it. Or at the law that needs to be changed so the product can't be sold easily. Which seems to the case everywhere else BUT the US. I don't have a problem with the video itself, but the appeal and conclusions are just baffleing to me. This is like those articles, saying self driving cars are racists for making choices on who to prioritize based on criteria given to the A.I. No, the algorithm isn't evil. If anything this is negligence on Amazon. But that's also a bit of a stretch.
It kinda reminds me of the tabaco industry a little bit. Selling Stuff to your Customers that kills them. Time and time again i am baffled by what soms people are doing to make money. It disgusts me. Why are some humans less human? Why profit by harming others or assist them in harming themselfs? It is a crazy World.
Once again, resources for the prevention of suicide and crisis outreach.
Global Helpline Numbers: blog.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines/
Prevention foundation: afsp.org/
Resource Center: www.sprc.org/
amazon are the worst when it comes to the one star reviews, i was banned from doing reviews forever for simply mentioning a certain movie was woke.
allegedly you can repeal that ban, and i have tried multiple times, but if never leads anywhere, so i just decided to not do business with Amazon anymore since.
and i hear they are struggling in getting more prime users for over a year now, i wonder if something like this is related?
it doesn't help that they keep insisting more movies and shows being woke, so i just don't care anymore about their website.
Unrelated to this particular video but you NEED to rename your channel to upper edge lord gaming it’s more on brand for your reactionary style.
What if you need that chemical? Amazon should sell them
Looking it up and its just curing salt. Really, why SHOULDNT amazon be selling it?
You have not left in enough details to know what you are talking about without knowing what you are talking about. china sends UV lamps without saying they are UV or swapping in UV. They just do not care. They sell radioactive thorium oxide as fucken jewlery. So much toxic crap being sent around the world from these places.
I half expect amazon to come out and say "We have stopped selling suicide kits since they have been affecting long term profitability and customer retention"
The very idea of using that as an argument should be a death sentence, good grief, the thought alone is killing me.
@@nathanmcbow158 this is such an Amazon thing to say. They're honestly a patently evil company.
My Body my choise
I see no problem with people wanting to Alt+F4
@@skknireeker9073 That you related a person ending their life to a machine shutting down is, on the face, darkly humorous. Yet I can help but think the digitization of our lives is a big part of the reason many lives have become so hopeless.
@@shanosummesteros9563 my point was more abou that i dont see a problem with Amazon selling those kits. Everybody should be able to make their own, uncensored, desicion about their body
This channel is what happens when someone who allows their skills to outgrow their comfort zone. UEP represents a prime (arguably the best I've seen) example of an individual refining a skill, a method, and their presentation, and applying those tools to various other points of interest. Despite the bone chilling topic, we've watched a gaming channel expand into a potentially life-saving investigation and news outlet. Don't ever sell yourselves short or relegate your talent to a narrow sphere; apparently someone's life may depend on it. Well done, sir. Well done.
Remember when he was reviewing the downfall of anthem then put of nowhere we're learning about epstein lmao
@@danner.l4484 Yes! Lol. He's not afraid to deviate, and he knows how to do it well.
I mean the only way to grow as a person is to make mistakes.
@@Spinexus Well said.
He's very well spoken and articulate which is why I like him.
The corporate mindset combined with the corporate love of automation is really setting Humanity forward on a dystopian roller coaster.
Produce, consume, expire in silence.
Well...they love automation because they don't have to pay dozens or hundreds of workers to do the same tasks. And for that, you can thank the incessant calls for increased minimum wages. Or "living wages" as they're so euphemistically referred to. Automation reduces expenses and increases profits while also lightening the load from those few workers who still--theoretically--oversee the machinery.
Thing is, though, that humans are terrible at monitoring machinery. Unless there's some kind of alert when bad things happen...they just simply won't notice until it's too late to do anything about it. Plus, humans are really good at generating improbable edge cases that engineers and programmers didn't conceive of. You mix those things together, and it doesn't even need to have any malice behind it to get to that dystopia you mentioned. Just simple, uncomplicated, natural human behavior.
@@nightrunnerxm393 dawg nah you can thank the profit motive for that. you’re right that they love automation because it is way cheaper and makes them way more money, so no matter what the minimum wage is they will always try to cut down the number of personnel needed. however, this is a flaw with unregulated capitalism rather than legislation that at least tries to put bandaids on the economic disparity that exists between the working class and the elites
what we should have is a system that allows for automation to help the average worker not need to work as hard and for as many hours, while still producing the same or better output for society, but unchecked capitalists will never let that happen if their goal is only to milk profits out of workers
@@nightrunnerxm393 My dude, increased minimum wages are demanded because of the increased inflation and increased cost of living. Those are not the fault of the workers asking for more money to pay their bills but by bankers and brokers and their politicians serving them.
@@nightrunnerxm393 incessant calls for increased minimum wages would be an excuse to do this, not the real reason. Automated factories did not appear cause people wanted higher wages...
Executives are GREEDY and jump at any chance to pay less people. That's why Activism laid off hundreds of employers right after announcing high sales...
incessant calls for increased minimum wages has nothing to do w/ this. This is executives stuffing the heck outta their bank accounts like the Activision CEO has who is the most overpaid CEO.
Pure greed and full of nonsensical excuses.
says the consumer lol
Came for the gaming videos, stayed for the quality journalism.
Man…I can almost hear a sense of desperation in your voice. You’ve been doing some heavy videos as you look into the darkest corners of the internet to shine some light on them. It probably doesn’t mean much coming from a random guy in your comments section, but I really appreciate all your hard work and your genuine care about these…well…evil things going on and trying to save people from getting caught up in them. Thanks dude. Seriously.
Ha, this does not even scratch the darkest corners of the internet.
Thank you for your awareness video.
Using this chemical, my 22-year-old son took his life on March 21, 2020.
My life has changed forever because he isn't in it.
He didn't buy it on Amazon (perhaps because the package would've drawn attention) but directly from a vendor who sold it on Amazon as well.
He got the instructions for usage from the website that this video mentions.
Too late for me but please, keep an eye on what your kids do on the net and the packages they get in mail.
i'm sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your loss!
What is the chemical so I know to stay away from it
@@erikthompson271 no.
@@erikthompson271 Its nothing you'll encounter without trying to, so dont worry about it.
Amazon bundles kits based on the most products commonly bought together. Unfortunately this is another case of algorithm's being put into place without considering the negative side effects. Unsurprisingly chemical X has been entirely removed by amazon since this lawsuit started.
I checked. Apparently its still for sale in my country.
No it hasn't. Search for 'prague salt' or 'curing salt'
it really highlights why there needs to be human oversight.
It would be stupid NOT to sell common curing salt
@@VicStrange9 where are you from?
For what it's worth: it's best to not go to war against the website. If you managed to take it down, they'll just set up another website or three. Letting the website remain allows law enforcement, if they can get involved, to look into it and potentially take everyone involved down. The best option would likely be something along the lines of letting the lawsuit play out, informing the FBI about the site, and letting the public know about the sites but never be specific. If the information is too specific, the website owners will just take it down and start up somewhere else.
No matter how hard you fight, whenever you defeat one evil, a hundred shall replace it just around the next bend. What we do is fight--not through legalities, but through cultural warfare. We fight by instilling current and future generations with values that prevent this kind of twisted mentality, and letting the outliers simply burning their filth out with their own mistakes and actions. When possible, apprehend the bad guys. But never, and I mean NEVER, relinquish an opportunity to impart wisdom, values, and care into the foundations of the future. We win by ensuring as many people as possible see this kind of evil is vile and unclean. We thrive by ensuring our children and their children pursue happiness through natural and effective means--things like starting families, reaching personal goals, and instilling traditional and/or religious values upon our children. If we can teach them to be happy, then this swill can never thrive.
The F.B.I.! 😂
Wait…you’re serious?
You seem to possess a piece of Common Sense most don't. If you take away the Public Square it simply goes deeper Underground until eventually only the worst actors may find it at which there is no way to keep a track of them. It's why despite the possible harm of doing so I fully support keeping terrorists whatever organization whatever websites up instead of immediately killing them because you didn't stop them by getting rid of their meeting place they made a new one and you don't know where it is.
@@QrazyQuarian Interestingly, that's probably why Exodus says you have to execute people for certain offenses. It even says, "You must purge the filth among you." People who pretend to be moral will call that "barbaric", but videos like these show why some of those laws weren't crazy.
I can't comprehend why people think their kids need to surrounded by electronics 24/7, especially considering that gen X parents don't know crap about technology and clearly don't care enough about their kids to monitor their online behavior. Kids aren't raised by their parents anymore- they're raised by social media. I told my kids that they won't be getting cell phones until they're 18 (when they can pay for the bill and earn it themselves), and they won't be getting a computer other than the ones issued by their school.
@@Nepcsalibur Well said. Hiding the evil stuff only makes it so that the evil stuff can be more accessible... it's extremely oxymoronic.
Has anyone else noticed that amazon used to be cheaper than the store, but now it's much more expensive?
it's because they needed to have competitive prices when there were so many other stores but since they undercut everything it closed down all the mom and pop stores, also with the help of the plandemic, now that they don't have all the competition they can charge whatever the hell they want.
@@AnxiousStacker And the hyperinflation caused by the Brandon Administration and possibly higher taxes on the working and middle class.
There's contracts in place with manufacturers that makes Amazon sell at a comparable price point to brick and mortar stores.
Walmart used to price out all local stores in small towns, probably still do, until they went out of business. Then crank the prices up. It's a loss leader investment for long-term gains. Shop small business.
gotta love "free market". People and their "love of free market" are so oblivious of price undercutting. I can't believe how many people LOVED the "invisible hand" not realizing that this is why "free market" needs regulation. Not the current type of regulation but some kind of regulation from a government where businesses can't "donate" to politicians.
Chemist here. The problem, as I see it, is that Amazon's algorithm underhandedly suggests that this specific chemical is used for self-harm. Regulating purchase of the chemical itself is completely pointless: there are literally hundreds of far more toxic chemicals one can freely buy. There are relatively common plants and mushrooms that are fatal in much lower amounts. Trying to regulate all chemicals that are fatal at this level makes as much sense as forbidding access to bridges, train tracks and cliffs.
Ironically enough, what should be forbidden is the use of the chemical as a food additive, as it's been proven to be carcinogenic decades ago, but that's a different matter.
This is a CRAZY story and I haven’t heard a single thing about this on other media outlets. Excellent work putting this together and helping to inform. I’ve been with you for years and it’s incredible to see you go from a games only UA-cam channel to a highly informative and thought provoking media outlet. Bravo.
My Body my choise
I see no problem with people wanting to Alt+F4
I do chemistry and I swear if they stop selling affordable chemicals on Amazon I don’t know what to do for my experiments. Ban the self harm kits but don’t remove all the other chemicals which aren’t too toxic in small amounts. Ughhh I hate how a small group of people ruin access to useful stuff for the rest of us
It shouldn't ruin things for the rest of us. People who advocate for control of everyone because a few people are weak as fuck. Other "uncivilized counties" actually understand this.
your lack of empathy is concerning
@@yeahgirl11 your lack of empathy is concerning
@@iishadowii7477 Their empathy is fine. I too am sick of the nanny state system and those idiots who usher it in. Better parenting and outreach are important. How about targeting the problem at the source? Something modern society has a hard time grasping. Like overworking and stressing out people in work and school and being so poor you can't even afford rent + food working your average job.
99% of happy, prosperous individuals don't get these urges. Just the miserable, broke ones. This brain dead approach to band aiding problems is a large part of why society is so fucked and beginning to falling over.
I am also interested in chemistry and it's appalling how over regulated the world is now. You can't even buy battery acid (Sulphuric Acid) in Australia anymore. You know, to maintain your car battery. It's fucking ludicrous.
@@iishadowii7477 Your reactionary nature is concerning. I can empathize with these suicidal people and still recognize that banning sodium nitrate (a preservative which also has other industrial uses) is a non-solution which only hurts people who weren't planning on hurting themselves. Fix the suggestion algorithm, close these pro-suicide communities, and improve healthcare accessibility (especially for mental health), these are the solutions to this problem.
So Amazon is basically selling "self deletion kits" along with The rings of power.
A truly outstanding move
Which is worse?
This isn't the time or place for such humor.
@@The2012Aceman the rings of power, that’s why they sell the unalive kit
On a scale of 1 to fucked up, that's fucked up. On the other hand... Rebrand them as Rings of Power Enjoyment Enhancers. Sales will go through the roof.
The sad truth is that algorithms do not have the capacity for human emotions like empathy, concern, or compassion. So they should be fortified and moderated by real humans and never left alone to their own devices, you don't want scenarios like this because a computer suggested it.
Algorithms do what they are programmed to do, most of the time is money.
What Amazon can do is make it so that when people search for these kinds of products they can provide a link or number to a helpline, much like how google does when you search for methods
I work for a company that relies on automation to gather data. But what sets us apart is that we ensure that REGULARLY the data is reviewed and updated by human hands. For this reason, it makes us better than a lot of our competitors. It's the same thing here, you can't just rely on automation to do the job, it's not enough. Even if it seems insurmountable you need a regular batch of human people handling things as they come in to be sure that no major mistakes have been made.
humans displaying these traits aren't that easy to come by.
neither do large corporations, big pharma and politicians
UEG would make a great protagonist in a neo-noir detective story set in a not-so-distant technocratic dystopian future.
I feel like at this point the channel should be called Upper Echelon. It's evolved way beyond gaming. Once again, well done with a sensitive topic.
Upper Echelon Journalism? Upper Echelon News? Something like that.
@@KnakuanaRka Journalism has sadly become a four letter word these past few years so I'd avoid that. What UEG does is of course real journalism, but a lot of things that call itself that is anything but.
@@GoodmansGhost what do you mean by "a four letter word"? I am really confused XD
@@AnEnderNon A four letter word is a polite way of describing profanity, IE words you use when hitting your thumb with hammer or stepping on Lego. Or when someone hits your car leaving a deep dent or scratch..
spoiler alert
SHIT, FUCK, etc
Well that was worse than expected. I mean I knew amazon was a hell hole but this takes it to a whole new level.
Why is this bad Exactly we get one less waste of oxygen and Amazon gets money win win in my book
@@EmperorDxD I smelled someone like you coming a mile away :D
@@joekickass8943 like me I just feel people should be allowed to do what they want if they want to die so be it what right do we have to stop them they clearly lost cost and a waste why keep waste around when there so many people fighting just to live another day
@@EmperorDxD Because it's a waste of life. Everyone gets depressed, but immediately reaching for the noose isn't the answer, it's the easy way out. It's the "I don't care anymore, I quite" answer. People invested their time and energy into making you who you are. Throwing that all away because you got depressed and wanted to off yourself is a waste of your life, a waste of all the people around you who put their time and energy into raising you and caring for your needs. The worst part is that suicide doesn't hurt you the most. You're dead, the consequences won't land on you. It's everyone else who has to bury your body and cry who suffers the most. Freedom to do something doesn't mean you should. That goes double for suicide.
@@mq5731 that not a good excuse those people need to go I don't want them to live they don't want to live there here wasting everyone time and energy only human wants to tell another person what to do with their live
I am someone who regularly does chemistry experiments. I have a little lab and what not at home. I order a lot of very dangerous chemicals. The unfortunate truth is that people will find a way to get these things no matter what. It's unfortunate but true
As someone who has gotten their degree in chemistry chemicals only become dangerous when you don’t handle them with respect.
@@bobross7730 I'm a pilot by trade not a chemist so I don't know too much about it. One day I hope to get a degree in chemistry. More for curiosity's sake really. My point is is that I've been able to access very strong oxidants and very strong reducing agents just on my own without having a lab and whatnot
This should be up to the parents to regulate what is bought using their accounts. Items should not be banned because someone kills themselves with it. Those products are used by thousands responsibly as their meant to be used.
I don't believe in globally banning a substance that has legitimate use (Yes chemical X has legitimate use outside of industrial uses) because people misuse it. People can and will misuse anything. This is a problem that needed to be fixed, as you mentioned, culturally and within people's communities. Better community outreach and people just looking out for each other. And those "frequently bought together" algorithms need to be fixed, that is messed up.
What legitimate uses?
@@natman2939 I'm not going to list what it can be used for as that would make it very easy to trace it back to what "chemical x" is and I wouldn't want to undermine all the effort UE put into censoring it.
@@nqgames2954 do you understand that googling “Amazon lawsuit” brings up articles all about it?
I’m truly not sure why he’s trying so hard to hide the substance name. I don’t think knowing sodium nitrite exists is any more of a danger to people than knowing cyanide exists:
The story is about how wild it is that these things were listed together in a “package”
Not that there’s some mysterious new chemical that most people don’t know about.
For anyone else wondering apparently it’s mostly a preservative used in deli meats.
Not exactly sure how many people buy their own preservatives but oh well.
@@natman2939 yeah its a kit deal and thanks for mentioning the stuff and one of its legit uses i made a comment on how it could be found with a quote search and is it bad i likely know what purple pill comunity was hilighted here i redacted the name in mine mostly to be nice... there are far more certain ways to go. as for why ueg censored the vid i think youtube is to blame in part subjects like this are more then dicey and may result in termination... there was a channel i watched back in the day not mentioning the name as its mostly dead and i would like to preserve it that delt with these type of subjects... i beleve it went silent due to youtubes automated moderation not being able to tell informative content from the kind that encorages the behavor...
Yeah, people who want to end themselves with a minimum of pain can do so easily. It's really not all that difficult, and requires no technology, or anything one could ban. No reason to make massive changes worldwide to get rid of one of a billion ways to do it.
I don't understand the problem, if someone wants to kill himself, help him do it right the first time.
If nothing good happened to us so far, then nothing will in the future. We will all die eventually, it is just cutting out worthless years of waiting for nothing and experiencing constant failures and exploitation or being a burden to others.
Thank you so much for this comment.
I've been mentally on my whole life medical industry doesn't give a s***
My existence is agony and I rely on the people who brought me into this world as a 40-year-old man because I can't take care of myself
My brain is slowly deteriorating and my existence is agony
Yet they refuse to let me go because it will cause them momentary sadness
@@Raumplestomp I am myself in a bad situation that won't improve. People who aren't, can't understand that adults should have a choice to end with dignity when there is no hope left. They don't really want us here, but won't let us go because of their outdated ethics. They think it is better to make us wait for the natural end, being dependant of others, each year worse than the last., and give us their fake sympathy and hope so they themselves can feel better. I don't want to persuade anyone, just a conscious choice for myself before it gets too bad even for that.
You are an honorable man, UEG. Not only do you take time and consideration into the research, you act with your moral compass and integrity. Lesser men (myself included), would have doxxed that website without a moments hesitation. You took the time to reflect upon the consequences and your morality relating to those consequences. You're a true journalist, and you have a clear, moral compass, something that a lot of so-called "reporters" and journalists have lost in their pursuit of headline-material and agendas. I hope you keep up this great work for many, many years to come and I wish you all the success in the world.
I was in suicide prevention for many years and ran the National Suicide Prevention Hotline in my state. Those chemicals you mention are CRAZY lethal in the wrong doses. It doesn't take much sadly. More often than not, its not intentional, but accidental by someone who thinks they are just making a cleaning agent.
wow dude accidental? That kinda changes things for me. I've attempted suicide twice and I've had friends overdose / off themselves and since then I tend to be one of those people who's like "fuck that selfish bullshit you aren't on this earth for you; you're here for the people you support. Life is supposed to be torture and suicide is weak" so if someone wants to off themselves and get out of everyone else's way I have no problem with it. To me it's an indication of an immoral character. But by accident? We should increase availability of educational materials for people. I think it should still be sold on Amazon if educational materials are out there and some moron offs themselves that's just natural selection. #1 thing though is our society should not be compulsory and proactive. Our society should be exclusively voluntary and reactive. Which means we respond to things by learning and sharing information with each other. We should not try to prevent things through control.
Ive been in dark places, but banning chemicals its how we lost aircraft remover. It has made life very difficult stripping off layers of paint, bondo and other things. It forces me to send things to acid baths because two dummies didnt follow instructions, but congress listened to the mothers of said dummies. I have zero sympathy for Darwin award recipients. Also, banning things as a means of alleviate guilt of a parent that couldnt be bothered to care is also not my problem. We get so focused on safety that, we dont think of how depressing live would be when everything is banned, regulated, licensed, etc, and were just litle slaves in safe pods. Screw that life.
Oops, the usage you mentioned caused me to know what this chemical is now. No worries. I'm not interested in adding to the problem so I'll keep it to myself. But sufficeth to say, I work in the funeral industry. I've picked up more than one person who have either intentionally or accidentally killed themselves and others in this manner. Don't mix chemicals unless you know what it will do!
@@ArDeeMee hey I get your perspective I totally do and there a level of really high emotional intelligence there but suicide is a "me first" behavior. It's a decision that you are going to put your feelings and wants over the feelings of others. Life is supposed to hurt. Pain is the greatest teacher. To refuse to step up to the plate and to say "I'm more important that the entire game" will only spiritually result in you waking up right back here in the third dimension to learn the same lesson all over again. Some people call is reincarnation. So suicide doesn't even accomplish anything. It's not even a viable escape. There is no escape. There is no hiding. There is only facing your demons or insecurities whichever you call it and coming to peace with the fact that you aren't in charge and you aren't here for you you're here for your squad and theyre here for you. We either exist inside God or the mathematical system of the universe whichever you call it (same thing) our life is a series of symbols manifested through an interdimensional dialogue between us and ourselves. Suicide ignores all that to just say "i want the pain to stop" but that's impossible and suicide won't accomplish that. The pain will never stop until you acknowledge the lesson it is there to teach you. No matter what you do
EDIT: and the self-defeating psychosis that comes with suicidal depression isn't genuine. The "I only drag people down" thoughts. It's a dialogue designed to excuse the choice of suicide in the person's mind. It was for me. I also used it because I had become addicted to the depression and self defeating emotions. That feeling in your chest from your endocrine system. I still am. I just now recognize how unintellectual those thought processes are
@@Merc399 "you're here for your squad" lmfao dude come on. Not everyone is like you and acts depressed for attention. Suicide isn't selfish, people wanting to keep you alive to take advantage of you is pretty selfish.
"Alexa! How do I _delete_ myself?"
Make a chicken NyQuil and eat it 👍
Swim in lava in Minecraft.
Careful with Chemical X. That stuff also created the Powerpuff Girls.
It's Mojo Jojo you have to watch out for -
I think it might be time to drop "gaming" from this channel name
Nah. Gamers often are against the system and the b.s so it's actually a good name.
@@ragnarokodinsson2017 I don't even know how you begin to square that circle, but the fact is this just isn't a gaming channel at this point. Nothing wrong with that, I love UE but my point remains
The name is fine. He’s a gamer and most of us are gamers. That every video isn’t about games is not relevant to his name.
I recommended a video from the channel to someone I know IRL and they instantly turned off when they saw gaming in the name, they would have loved the majority of content as of late...
UE himself has acknowledged this isn't much of a gaming channel anymore. He hasn't made a gaming related video in many months. There's nothing wrong with dropping the name. All it does is create an expectation of gaming related content, which isn't what the channel is focused on anymore.
I once needed, let's say chemical Y and found it on ebay, the seller wrote and ask why and for what purpose (insecticide in that case) I needed chemical Y. I was surprised he even cared. Good dude.
It's probably also to cover his ass. If you commit suicide and he didn't do the due diligence of checking why you needed it, there's a small chance he could be liable for something.
@@dorsia6938 if covering your ass at least attempts to prevent a suicide it's good enough in my book.
I have depression and GAD so I can relate. My honest opinion is yes a company should take care of possible exploitation of their Algorithms. Im also firm believer of Survival of the Fittest and understand that depression is genetic and environmental. I also support the idea of euthanize or assisted suicide.
Suicide is the ultimate expression of freedom or free will. To be free from sickness, pain, evil, corruption, and your eminent doom is not a bad idea. It wasn’t your idea to be born why should you suffer for a life time? Cruel, if you ask me. If I don’t want to be here who are all of you to stop me? What gives you the “right” to control someone’s life if you truly believe in the autonomy of free will?
Some food for thought.
Because there’s a lot more to live for than just this moment; there are resources and people out there to help people dealing with these issues, and help them live a fulfilling life and reach a potential they may not have imagined. I’ve had personal experience with this; a close relative of mine was dealing with serious depression for a while, but after some therapy and medicines, you could hardly tell.
I understand cases of assisted suicide and euthanasia where someone is terminally ill and can’t be treated, but a lot of the people who would want these kits or to kill themselves in other ways are likely traumatized by their past and other events, at their darkest hour, and not really in a state to understand their situation and make the best choices. Suicide isn’t ending their suffering; it’s ending their chance at happiness and something more.
And as for survival of the fittest, mankind’s niche is in its intelligence and cooperation; we’ve gotten to where we are by working together and finding mutually beneficial interactions. We all have our moments of strength and weakness; ideally, we can all support each other in our times and areas of weakness and be supported in turn, and find a place where we can use our strengths to help others. If someone with issues like depression can, with some support, find a place in the world and benefit society, I’m not going to abandon them.
Because pain and suffering is part of living a life, for every animal - it's the stimuli that reminds us that we have to either change ourselves or change the environment.
Suffering and pain are warnings or signals forcing us to re-evaluate what we are doing wrong, or what something else is doing wrong - they are not end goals or the static thing
Dumbest comment on the internet.
It is an interesting discussion to be had. The Stoics were very much for "the right of every man to take his own life", and they believed that in some cases suicide was more commendable than living (Marcus Cato chose to die rather than live in disgrace, for example).
"The best thing which eternal law ever ordained was that it allowed to us one entrance into life, but many exits. 15. Must I await the cruelty either of disease or of man, when I can depart through the midst of torture, and shake off my troubles? This is the one reason why we cannot complain of life: it keeps no one against his will. Humanity is well situated, because no man is unhappy except by his own fault. Live, if you so desire; if not, you may return to the place whence you came." - Seneca's Moral Letters, 70, "On the Proper Time to Slip the Cable"
However, these "virtuous suicides" aren't the majority, and you can make the case that somebody opting for suicide isn't in their right of mind, and therefor isn't free. The psychologist Rollo May argues that we become more free by becoming aware of the unconscious patterns and drives within our psyche, so it follows that if you're being driven by unconscious forces, you're not truly free (Man's Search for Himself).
In short, suicide prompted by deliberate reason is a choice, and every person's choice, but suicide that's the product of despair or of a sick mind can't be considered a choice.
You have done an excellent job on an incredibly sensitive and evocative subject. Especially not allowing your personal feelings on the subject, to cloud your true journalistic endeavour. We need more people like you . “Open minded , sensitive and not swayed by a need to save the world by hunting other peoples beliefs no matter how difficult it is “
I’ve been following you for a few years now and respect the transition you have made and also admire your candid approach to multiple different perspectives .
This was a difficult subject and I personally have the upmost respect for the way you have handled it. Respect ✊
"Sensitivity" is the antithesis to journalism. By censoring what he's talking about he just waffles on and tapdances around the actual issue.
@@MrJoeyWheeler ? the issue isn't about the chemical, it's about the algorithm and culture. Censoring doesn't impede bringing awareness.
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@@Marinealver I wish I knew what that meant
@@Hoonter101 I do know what he meant. It’s the name of someone’s Mother who lost their child to suicide from Chemical X
Devil's advocate here...I had a few friends try to delete themselves multiple times around turn of century and one that took his dads projectile thing to his head up at top of the world in laguna beach and killed himself as a teen. I had countless other run ins with people who died of OD or had siblings died of OD which is usually accidental, so I will ignore for this. There is NOTHING you can do to predict or stop the deletion when it really is going to happen with young males. That's always the sad thing...if they tell you, it's a "cry for attention." If they fail at the attempt, it seems to always be a cry for attention/help with depression or whatever you want to call it. You cannot ban every unsafe thing in the world...are we going to ban cliffs, cars in garages, windows in skyscrapers, water, and the million other ways people will do this? This is nothing more than an attempt to place blame on a corporation, which is fine, but the sale of something should have a warning about the dangers. Plenty of chemicals I do have 89787 warning labels on them. We cannot pad the world for safety...people will always find a way to do what they want to do in this regard. We need to actually address the reason they feel that way to begin with...
Outreach is ideal but it can backfire and make things worse.
I told a counsellor about something I did that I think contributes to my depression.
And they stopped me and said that thing I did was outside of their area of expertise, they don’t have experience with it and I should talk to someone else.
They made me feel weirder about the thing I already feel weird about and made me MORE depressed.
This new methodology works.
If you have any other sensitive subjects that need exposure, do them. Information is power.
Nobody should be forced to remain alive against their will.
Especially when there existence is agony
I love your train of thought because it ultimately points out what is wrong with this reality,it is not organic but controlled and therefore stagnant
Fantastic upload drawing light to the darker side of humanity and shows your compassion to those struggling with everyday normality,”just because you can does not equate too you should “.
But if you should, it does not mean you can. Where do we find individual freedom and choice in that?
@@MrYelly suicidal tendencies are a cry for help , would you deny someone that ?
Your straw man has no credibility in this situation
@@Ultronmclovin What strawman? What denial? Not everybody can be helped. This is the harsh truth of the world.
Edit: Just look at illnesses that cause chronic pain. Full-blown dementia patients that do not wish to see themselves revert to shitting their pants.
Its not just whimsical teenagers that attempt to kill themselves, you know.
@@MrYelly I actually sent you a very thoughtful reply but it seems YOU TUBE doesn’t want you to see it , shame
@@Ultronmclovin Ayy, that sounds like a shame indeed. But at least you see what I mean, right?
As someone with intrusive thoughts of self-harm, I thank you for keeping me safe. Your video was executed beautifully to be informative without being triggering or enabling, and you have earned my deepest respect.
I will be passing this along to my therapist in the hopes of protecting other vulnerable people like myself.
i dont see how this is a bad thing? if an adult wants to end it, you dont have a say in what they do with their body.
Thank you very much for your comment. I would really appreciate it if you could find mine and other comments and upvote them and maybe even make a comment.
I live in agony. I have mental illness and I always have. My brain is slowly deteriorating and I have no way to stop it. Ever since I got covid I become physically disabled as well.
The only problem is I don't get disability I don't get housing support. I live off of the scraps of those who have compassion for me. I'm forced to live in existence of agony because it's too painful for other people to let me go. Or because they believe that I'll go to h3ll.
Correcto
it's insane how there are indirect serial killers lying around the internet teaching others how to do this. This NEEDS to be stopped and fixed as soon as possible. I bad extremely bad for the people who were not at a good mental state who encountered said people.
Dude you have some of the highest integrity on youtube I'm always grateful for how you cover every topic
Damn and I thought that the whole
“gram scale + Lego shovel + tiny ziplock bag” recommendation was a deep as the Amazon product suggestion rabbit hole went
The tragic thing is even if Amazon stopped selling these things, the people who died would just think of something else.
It’s a horrible world to live in, it’s tougher and tougher to give people a reason to keep going.
Divorce rates are high, unemployment rates are high, crime rates are high, everything is getting more and more expensive with less and less ways to pay for anything…
It’s not a fun planet to live on.
Reminds me of something I've heard of years ago in Japan. People were mixing these common chemicals and all they do is inhale it to end themselves. The chemicals were common, it was quiet and if they breathe it in their sleep, that's it, they never wake up.
Thank you for this amazing video. I work for a state health departments for about 8 years or so, previously on pharmaceutical and now on psychological aid for underaged patients. And I gotta say having to work with kids, some as young as 8 year old, that have suicidal thoughts or that have reoccurring self harm behavior, and some that even actually tried to end their own lives is more common than you think. Most people don't realize how often this cases happen and It is extremely important to raise awareness of such forums, and online platform that actually sell stuff like this to anyone without any regulation at all. Again thanks for the amazing content.
As I and others have said before and keep saying how about being a parent and teaching your kids instead of whinging online for more gov oversight and nannystates? All you do is make it worse for everyone. All the jobs you listed have helped no one and only served to further drug up the people and push this insane nonsense we see going on today.
Interestingly, this story has suddenly hit my news feed this morning. It was published at 5am on Oct 9th. I heard it here first, and with far more consideration for the implications of reporting on this sensitive topic.
Please keep doing what you are doing. It's important to hear these stories from someone with high ethical standards.
As someone who was on the verge of.... you know... for along time, knowing there are people and things put in place to encourage/enable it honestly makes me sick. You really are a hero, for bringing light to these things in such a kind and caring manner, never bowing to greed and corruption. It makes me grateful knowing that our world does actually have genuine people like yourself. Thanks for being such a wonderful creator and person
Honestly, i dont agree with removing people's right to end their life. Trying to convince people to do so, should be punished hard tho. For example, i have no plans to end my life, unless predetermined highly unlikely things happen. Like there are points you can reach where continuing doesnt make sense..
Just imagine the situation:
someone is terminally ill, is in constant pain, has noone in their life and is in crippling debt with no way of getting rid of it.
Do you think its better for this person to live the rest of their life while being miserable and wanting to end it the whole time,
or
Allowing them to end the suffering and let their consciousness fade into nothingness.
Would you rather be miserable and in pain your whole life, or not be at all?
@@mitotakjde9763 there are plenty of ways to deal with that without making and selling kits that people may be tricked into using...
@@mitotakjde9763 if u want to end it , its easier than pie . take a good rope , bed sheet and kick the stool . unless ur a female cat .
Removing people's right is a bad thing..but making the act so easy that it becomes someone's first choice is arguably worse. While a few extra steps in the way won't stop the truly determined in truly bad circumstances, they'll stop some who are just looking for an easy way out of a temporary situation.
Where the hell do you get "the right to end your life" from?
Best channel on YT. Keep digging up this stuff man. The world our children are entering is scary enough without all this horrible crap on the internet. We must pay attention. Thank you, UEG.
lol how about be a parent and teach your kids instead of banning shit and whinging for more government oversight?
@@gharm9129 exactly what I'm advocating for. Screw the government; it's become evident that they want our children to be as unhealthy as possible, in body as well as in mind.
This video is among myriad wakeup calls to parents to begin paying attention. Anyone who sees this and has kids should immediately PAY ATTENTION, maybe even begin limiting exposure.
For our part, my wife and I are determined to keep our little ones completely off the internet for as long as humanly possible. Now we've got one a year-and- a-half old with #2 on the way so it's not hard now but the decision has been made.
You seem like someone who understands one of the root problems of our society. Your comment could be applied to so many phenomena and trends I see today. Pray for wisdom for all parents. And if you have kids I pray for wisdom for you too.
God bless you. Keep your eyes open and your children educated.
Bone-chilling report. And....a wake-up call of sorts. I've been suffering with chronic depression perhaps my whole life, from abuses I've sustained outside of my home as a child, including one attempt of CSA from two older boys, high-school age, claiming to be friends of my brothers but wanted to use me as a blackmail scheme against my brother (long story in and of itself) and one assault from another student in junior high. My parents were aware of the bullying but only my older brother was aware of the later "issue" (my poor "knight" went to his grave never knowing about the former). But I survived, goodness knows how, but with a caring family I never felt alone but now along side being treated for adult onset ADHD, with my doctor's close care I'm learning how to cope with both my ADHD and my depression. I don't want to go into any more personal details but in terms of the topic at hand, (even though I'm sure this was a very hard subject to cover) I'm glad you did. From a very early age, I discovered I had a talent for writing and instead of engaging in self-harm, I vented everything I was going through in journals, recording both happy and sad things. Writing has always worked for me. Then again, when I was young, the internet wasn't even a thing. Sometimes I really feel that the Internet has become the greatest gift to humanity and also the greatest curse. But the Internet is like anything else: it's just a tool. But it's humans that must decide how best to use it. Machine Learning is also just another tool, but it shouldn't be a substitute for human oversight. And that's what many of these websites are lacking: AI's are great for search but humans should be mindful of what other humans make available on their websites. This is where sites like Amazon are failing users. Perhaps, I'm preaching to the choir on this. Again, thanks for this video. I'm always going to appreciate those folks who make others aware of the darkness that lurks on the Internet, even though it comes at great cost (maybe?) to the one presenting that awareness. As always, UEG: please continue to bringing light to the Web's darkest corners. It will always be appreciated and acknowledged. Thank you. ❤
I find it hard to blame amazon given their business model. Fact of the matter is two fold: 1: some people find it so hard to get the help they need mentally due to cost that they end up going this route because its cheap and easy and 2: For those with terminal illness or severe chronic pain, there is no easy way to do this via the medical system, at least here in the US. This is just a result of these facts and not necessarily purely nefarious. We need to be addressing those two points and it would make something like this no longer needed and thus not profitable.
I remember I started watching you after The Division was released. For build videos. And myself have grown since then. But fully support everything you have been doing. Keep up the good work
This is a clever approach, the concept of not just immediately knee jerk attacking something on sight because its morally unjust and down right disgusting is by far the single most intelligent thing ive seen anyone do on the internet in about 12 years, especially for someone who fights against unjust censorship it would be quite hypocritical to let emotions take hold and go full warlord on things you don't consider "just". your 100% correct imo. "if someone is struggling, outreach is the best remedy. " i think we need more people like you sir.
suicide is an individual's choice no one should be forced to exist against their wishes
I've watched a lot of your videos and many are very interesting and well thought out topics, but on this one I have to take a voice of dissent. This is the kind of over-the-edge thing in mainstream media that makes me want to inhale a deadly toxic carcinogen. It's becoming rife on YT with shock rhetoric and the goal of inciting emotionalism... with a sponsor's advert of course. I've listed just three main points.
ONE: The mainstream media CLAIM that this "compound x" is not a "household product" is rubbish. I use this evil compound x in my kitchen to make my own jerky and sausage! Yes. I eat it! In fact, I have many poisons. There are lots of things in nature that are poisonous. I also buy and safely store cyanide baits to control, moles, gopher and rat infestations, as well as dangerous biocide accelerators to manage animal waste (poop) for making organic compost for organic vegetables, not to mention my collection of firearms (for hunt'n squirrels n' such.) No. I'm not an off-grid weirdo... just a fun rural guy who loves the smell of horse shit in the morning.
TWO: Wonderfully Informative! Providing information on how to shed this mortal coil is nothing new! Long before this crazy outrageous thing called the internet existed, there were books published for decades on how to off oneself. In the 1990s, the biggest and most controversial book on NYT Best Seller was "Final Exit." These books were published after shock news stories emerged on the heels of the tragic Karen Ann Quinlan story and debate over the enormous controversy surrounding euthanasia and terrifying fear of being kept alive against one's own will. There were cries of bitter outrage on both sides of the debate as books found their way (purportedly) into the hands of those suffering from depression - though no one really knows the facts from the individuals in question since the court cases were from grieving loved ones and lawyers collecting their fees. Still, it didn't stop the media from making it national news for their sponsors and referring to euthanasia as "assisted suicide," because "assisted suicide" has a more shocking ring to it ... particularly that lovely ringing sound of marketing & advertising dollars.
THREE. Suicide Police! It's sad and tragic hearing of two teen deaths - no, ifs ands or buts. Makes me truly sad. Still, this is all very well-plowed ground of controversy, shock mongering and hate incitement if you check history and remove the emotionalism. Yet, we're off to the races without much rational examination, substantiated evidence or unblurry source materiel. (Sorry, I'm just not that trusting.) We live in a social media time of simply inserting emotional trigger words and all things magically become believable. In fact, I'll ignore the trigger words "teen" instead of saying "young adult" or referring to someone as having a "mental disorder" simply because they may have pondered something every human has at least thought about in some way or another - suicide. We seem unable to view it dispassionately and examine it without our preconceptions fogging any rational discourse. But I digress. Here's my point. Any time I hear of a young person going to great extent and research before taking their life (and maybe take a few others with them), I'm asking myself (in exasperation), "Where's the f*cking moronic parents in this story?!" No, I mean f*cking REALLY?! Teen years are brutal! Where are all the parents responsible for keeping a close eye on their children's well being and listening to how the wheels are turning in those youthfully confused and puzzled brains? I'll tell you - they're 21st century self-obsessed escape artists, breaking from reality whenever they can, eschewing all accountability and embracing the warmth of victimhood like a cuddle blanket with noses buried in their favorite social platforms, all while taking their beautiful and precious offspring - their miracles of life - completely for granted.
CONCLUSION: Blame Amazon! Those bastards! But please continue shipping my important poisons to the door - particularly those precious bottles keeping my dry bar well stocked! Yes! I also order my liquor from Amazon and god bless them and their poisons! Lest we forget, beloved Jack Daniel's Old No. 7 is a poison loved all over the world! So it's hereby officially established that we like and need our poisons! If not, why would we keep buying these poisons? Naturally, we must ingest and apply them responsibly (this msg brought to you by Anheuser-Busch incidentally). Yet it begs the question - would you blur out an image of Old Jack Daniels Black Label if the topic was teen alcohol poisonings? I'm guessing not. That particular poison is socially acceptable. Even after the CDC reports an average of 54 teen deaths to alcohol poisoning per year! See where this goes intellectually right? Nevertheless we debate the BIG question - should we damn Amazon and make big box stores like Home Depot police customers at the checkout as SUSPECT, all because they're standing in the checkout line carrying a rope, ladder, Jack Daniels and book entitled: "How to Tie Knots." ATTENTION! Security police at isle four immediately - we got a suicide risk!
People have a right to end their own life if they so wish. I don't think it's ever a good idea, but I'm not living their life so I can't tell them not to. If people want to discuss methods then they should be able to do that as well. Selling a product that's basically a suicide kit is all kinds of morbid and it's wrong from an ethical standpoint, but not from a legal one. People who are that determined to die will find a way.
Thank you James. I beg you to please find my comment and like it to bring attention to actual person who is forced to be alive despite being disabled, yet denied the resources they need to live a rewarding life.
Honestly I don't think that all the resources in the world could fix me and my suffering. It would take first class medical treatment and a whole host of other services to help me live a rewarding life.
I'm basically that dude off The Goonies.
I live off of scraps for my caretakers. And I get no real help with my complex medical problems. I live in constant pain and agony. Yet as long as I'm not talking about ending my life nobody f****** cares
Death isn't the worst possible outcome of depression. Assisted suicide has to be human right just like abortion.
I personally don't like suicide, but if you want to do it that's your choice. I don't quite see the problem as long as the product description says it is poisonous to humans, dogs, etc.
The way that they off themselves has just changed. It didn’t change the amount of people that were doing it… It’s not like someone was going to try and buy some thing and then they said oh maybe I should just off myself…. Like the people that do it with a certain chemical are just doing it that way because honestly that sounds less of a hassle than all the other ways
Agreed, its dumb to ban a chemical just cause iss poisons or toxic, the parents suing are the same people who cause parks to remove swing sets cause they're "dangerous".
Its disgusting watching these people further the nanny state & cause the banning of anything that can give you a boo boo
This is absolutely horrifying. When I watched Futurama for the first time many years ago, I thought the idea of the "stop n' drop" self deletion booth was absurd. Now, the idea sounds more possible in the future than I could have ever imagined.
The swiss are already working on it, and Canada keeps relaxing it's laws around Euthanasia.
...What exactly do you think an ecological footprint is?
@@MrYelly what does that have to do with anything?
@@brosch91 With death and euthanasia? Alot.
@@MrYelly probably some truth to that. Tim Pool's recent video is definitely very telling
I was about to post "wtf, I want to be disturbed".
But this is worse than I thought. Very sad. 😢
If someone wants to off themselves that's their choice. You don't get to decide someone elses path and if that's what they want to do to themselves then that's their choice.
Thank you so much for your comment.
My existence is agony. my brain is deteriorating. The healthcare industry couldn't care less. I have certain people in my life that are struggling to help me keep alive. Unfortunately I'm just bringing them down with me. I don't think there's enough resources in the world to help me live a rewarding productive life.
Months after watching this video, Tantacrul released a video about Website X. After scrolling through the forums, somehow, I was reminded of this video because they were talking about a method that involves Chemical X and when I reached the point where the website was mentioned, it felt like a eureka moment to me. It felt surreal knowing that it was the same website you mentioned here.
I have seen a thread about a user I will call User M. User M posted a final thread where she will use Chemical X with instructions following her regiment. Reading the replies and her replies to those replies, it made me feel really sad. I felt like I wanted to do something but it was a thread almost 2 years ago. A user that I'll call User L documented User M's death too which made me wonder, why didn't anyone try to stop User M? Their ideology is very troubling and sad. It's disgusting and dangerous.
Sorry if it's unrelated to Amazon but I really wanted to share this. It was very troubling to see.
dude, you're one of the few channels that really looks into things. your coverage of these topics is top notch! please keep being a roll model for ethical reporting!
I love how you have turned your channel from talking about video games to helping people. You have made a turn for the better and it is appreciated.
I appreciate your nuance, as usual. This topic though... I live in the Netherlands where (contrary to popular belief) we do not have dispensers for shall we say exit pills? In the last several decades there's been fierce debate on the exit option, for those in unending suffering. However, while there is that option (only after several professionals have been heard) we actually do a lot to prevent the need for that. Even those on board (radically) with the option like Stichting de Einder do a lot of preventative work. Which includes stopping dangerous and often inaccurate recipes found online. Though I do feel that people in suffering deserve an option, no-one in their right mind would condone the recipes offered by quacks, sadists and other malefic actors. Given that they rarely work and/or cause excruciating pains, scarring and worse.
Except Amazon, apparently. Though things are regulated here, thankfully, I must urge those in the USA to rectify this atrocious corporate waffling. Regulate, enforce and punish Amazon or any similar company. But, and that's the damn big BUT: y'all should do more to take away the root causes of people wanting to take the exit option. Mental- and physical healthcare should be available at no or low cost to all. Religious oppression by the radical christians (and their charlatan leaders) should be terminated by law, as there is no freedom of religion without freedom from religion. And... try to be a bit nicer to people who struggle through life. Look to increase wages, improve communities and organisations... maybe take a few steps out of your comfort zone to think on if you are doing things in a way that'll make this world a bit better.
I’m going to be honest with you I saw your tik tok video pop up last month and I watched maybe 3 minutes of it and left because it didn’t interest me, I have all of my socals on a time limit and after redownloading tik tok and noticed that I kept pressing “ignore time limit.” I decided my self to no longer use the platform. This procces all happened within the same month your video was posted. I wanted to watch your most recent video on a topic like this and decided to go back and the algorithm is toxic because of how good it is at keeping you looking at the screen. Thank you for bringing content that is worth watching as you have educated me on the inner working on common used application or sites .
I understand what chemical you're talking about. I never really thought about how at high concentrations it could definitely kill you. Most likely because you would instantly vomit it backup. The fact that somebody thought it out enough to use Stomach medication To prevent you from vomiting, shows a really twisted mind.
How do you know? There are thousands of "powerful oxidizers", all of which are deadly when consumed. You can die from just about every household cleaning chemical (it's absolute torture though, not sure why anyone would go out that way)
@@userequaltoNull You just answered your own question. Why would anyone go through torture when there is a "Chemical Harakiri for Dummies" available. (curing salt)
There are a lot of twisted minds currently in power.
better then splattering your brain on the wall for someone else to clean up all that mess.
I know it sounds bad. :/
@@Dies_Das_Ananas Yep, i've been in Finnish army and we were on shooting range when one dude put the barrel under his chin and fired. the "7.62mm projectile" exited through his cheeck and didn't kill him.
But they neede fire department to wash the blood out of the ceiling and walls, propably ten meter radius got covered in blood. :D
When this hits the mainstream news it’s gonna be a really sad couple of days.
I already had many reasons to despise Amazon. Advertising suicide kits didn't make the list. I didn't know that level even existed.
I have boycotted Amazon for years due to their useless labor practices. I can not in good conscience support a company that vilifies it´s own employees. This crap is on a whole new level of madness...
Suicide is legal.
@@nathanmcbow158 They should at least be transparent about the whole ordeal and they should get back to do service for the people. I may have bought things off of Amazon, but that's it.
Amazon sucks, but their also an amazing company at the same time. I hate & love them
Should there be a criminal or civil penalties for the clerk at the local armory who recommends a particular firearm to a customer who asks for something to accommodate large hands because they plan to insert a big toe into the trigger well?
Should we strip a patient of the ability to be prescribed narcotic medication on a long-term basis because of the deleterious health repercussions?
The whole reason that someone ends up in such a dark place to begin with is their internal sense of powerlessness/inability to affect positive change on the trajectory of their daily life and further stripping as The capacity to make changes is only going to push them deeper into the pit of despair.
I needed treatment of physical conditions 12 years ago and the only Avenue that I could find through my current insurance plan that I had at the time necessitated my being willing to undergo three or four days of inpatient psychiatric treatment to rule out all psychological problems. That experience still haunts me to this day and if I was a psychologically broken person, I am convinced that the well-meaning intervention would’ve actually pushed me much closer to making an irrevocable decision. The greatest effect we can have in the world is to make the stigma of discussing profound brokenness in daily conversation to fade into the past. If people felt free to discuss their troubles we could help redirect that energy and present others with our own effective methods of turning hopelessness and powerlessness into competency and empowerment.
Its a real shame that 'this topic' is on the increase as of late, been hearing from various first responders, from all around the world, that there has been a sharp increase over the last few years...and we're now starting to get goverments that are now, indirectly, supporting it (Belgium for example) people need mental health care, not medically assisted 'this topic'...
@Lawofimprobability I'm unsure if youre trying to spin the governmental bodies choosing the easy way as the logical conclusion. There was a story recently proving that they don't just offer it but suggest it.
If the product worked as advertised, there would be no one left to leave any reviews.
Seems like a poor buisness practice to sell such things as it would permanently remove a customer
Well, itd be difficult to build a subscription model here...
maybe so...but then again they'll never ask for a refund and at the end of the day thats the corporate dystopian wet dream companies appear to be chasing. It's not about creating a quality product to sell. It's about selling anything at all morals be damned so long as they get to keep the money.
them short term quarterly gains
Ah, I found my people.
Maybe so, but sadly there is never a shortage of people wanting to kill themselves.
Can you imagine any "real journalists" covering this?
There's a similar issue with a common inert gas and sleep apnea masks.
My sir, I thank you endlessly for your journalism but at the same time I feel for you. It must be a real bummer to slog through these stories to deliver the facts the way you do. All the more respect to you for it.
Like the saying goes. You can get anything and everything on Amazon.....
Its curing salt.....
Of course, Jeff Bezos would be the bald millionaire villain stereotype.
I never expected something like this to ever be sold on the surface web, What a time to be alive.
Yeah, a warning of sorts about this is surely in place, seeing most zoomers trying everything they can get their hands on. (remember tiktok challanges)
You can buy worse at wal-mart.
@@J0SHUAKANE you can. Yes. You can actually buy everything you need to Minecraft yourself at any grossery store. That doesn't mean they should make it easier by bundling it with a literal manual on how to.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo you really think an employee at amazon bundled that stuff together? No, it was because thats what people searched for. Google search results used to be the same way. Neither amazon nor google are to blame.
@@J0SHUAKANE They are responsible for the parameters of their AIs. If they wanted they could shadowban the book in bundling options. Or all the things together.
Besides, why are they buying a book with nothing good to offer to begin with. They ban harmless books for less.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo it has nothing to do with an ai....
"You best start believing in Cyberpunk Dystopias. You're in one!"
As someone who struggles with depression this was extremely hard to listen too
I heard of one woman who noticed that "Chemical x" had been ordered and canceled it. Sadly, the package inadvertently arrived anyway, and her child took his or her life. If you notice that "Chemical x" has been ordered, by all means cancel the order, but I think it would also be wise to monitor all incoming packages for awhile, just in case it accidentally arrives anyway.
It's odd that Amazon would want to sell these kits. Their goal is to sell as many products as they can and someone that uses one of these kits won't be able to buy anything else.
It’s very weird that it seems like so many billionaires and governments are actively trying to lower their populations, either intentionally or not. Either they’re incompetent or they know something we don’t.
I don’t think they WANT to it seems more unintentional but the algorithms they have in place are bundling these things together because people often buy them together to leave the planet. At the same time, there should have been some red flags at some point on their end
@@absolutelydegenerate1900 "there should have been some red flags at some point"
That would require there being someone to look through this and realise what is happening. But that would also cost money, and we can't have things cost money in a MULTIBILLION DOLLAR corporation, now can we.
I partially can’t help but wonder if it’s more that it’s such a huge company that it would be impossible to keep an eye on without using bots which might only result in something much worse. But who can say since it’s not been done
Probably won't have many people agreeing with me on this one, but this is not an Amazon problem, this is a regulatory problem... The responsibility lies with the government or regulatory agency in those countries.
Machine learn algorithms will always have edge cases, handling those edge cases requires very complex systems and an army of people, both of which cost a lot of money for businesses... If not required by law, there's no way a business would deliberately support those costs because of a few edge cases that from a statistical stand point are irrelevant, regardless of how large their impact might be.
Almost everything we do online uses machine learning to make our lives easier. There are side effects to this... But don't forget how much every single one of us benefits from it.
I watch lots of disaster videos on UA-cam and consider myself quite jaded however this shook me to my core
In many ways life now feels less convenient and more stressful than ever. With the amount of harmful things being pushed on us and lies and scams to watch out for I feel serious nostalgia.
not that I am criticizing, at all, but I would say forward this to Project: Veritas, and let them run rampant with it. This would pretty much guarantee a dead stop to this particular point-of-sale being available.
As someone who lost a close family member to suicide, I thank you UEG, for speaking up about this problem! Between the time when people, because of severe depression, terminal illness or other possible triggers, first begin having suicidal thoughts, and the moment when they "firmly" decide they'll be taking their own life, usually they have spent a lot of time thinking about their decision, tormented, in self-doubt, re-evaluating their lives, but also planning how they would do it. If a suicidal person has in their possession the means to perform, what is considered an easy, quick or "painless" death (pills, firearms, exhaust fumes, etc.), they more often do it on impulse (usually after the next stressful event, depressing day, or argument they had) or with much less hesitation than the person that does not. Feeling pain and fear of death are not things we can simply switch off. A lot of the times, those that try to commit suicide in more complicated ways, aren't successful because of fear, their survival instinct kicking in, or because pain changes their mind. That time, before they make yet another suicide attempt, is often the last chance people around them will have to act, to try persuading them to seek and accept help, to show them they'll have support, that they are loved and will be missed, with the ultimate goal of saving their life! Finding out that there are people out there, greedy enough to literally sell a suicidal human being something that will make it easier for them to kill themselves, including "a spoonful of sugar" to stop the body from rejecting those chemicals, thus making their death even more certain, made me have even less faith in humanity than before! These are literal death dealers without any sense of remorse or guilt, as their only goal is to maximize their profit! Even though I understand that everyone is the master of their own destiny, I will never condone suicide! But preying on the suicidal for profit has to guarantee those death dealers their own circle in hell! Once again I thank you UEG for making this video, raising awareness that this death dealing business is also being done online, and hope that those with power to stop it will act and punish all involved!
I am sorry for your loss, I really am. However, all you manage to do through these words is invalidate the deliberations (and suffering) this person went through, and it invalidates their autonomy and freedom of choice. And why? Because you are uncomfortable around a concept that this person was more familiar and comfortable with. And guess what? Death is utterly inevitable for everyone.
"I understand that everyone is the master of their own destiny, I will never condone suicide!"
This is the exact same mentality and rethoric that anti-abortionists maintain. Even to the point of having a comparable outcome; when legally prohibited, people will seek out alternative, more harmful methods to achieve the exact same thing. And since it is so exceedingly similar, I can ask you the same as I ask those people; Why or how should your own personal convictions, limit the freedom and autonomy others have over their own life? What enables you to see yourself as that authority figure or mortal arbiter?
@@MrYelly If that is what you got from my comment you must be just a PC thug and a SJW wannabe! I am talking about some death dealer making it much easier for people to commit suicide! When a person is dead you can no longer try to better their mental health or help them go through their struggle with their problems, because you love them and don't want them dead! You just want to change the narrative saying I am the same as someone who is against abortions! Like suicide is a just personal choice similar to choosing what you like to wear! Most suicides are preventable deaths if provided with help! You just invalidated your first sentence where you say you are sorry for my loss. You are not sorry for anyone! So, please, go spread your political ideology on some other virtue signalling popular issue!
@@MrYelly if you were to Ask me that, id argue its because suicide isn't Just about the One doing It, since It harms all Those close to them, too.
Say someone's wife dies in a tragic accident, and the husband takes his own Life out of Grief. The family of the husband Is now in Grief too. Maybe someone Will do the same as he did (oversiplification, i know, but over time stuff like this does stack up and drag you down), and open something akin to a reverse cicle of violence.
Additionally, The reason many do or try to do It Is because they don't think anyone Will care, wich Is Just false, so they are doing It on false premises too.
There Is also the more moral/spiritual stance of It Not beeing up to us to decide when its time to go, but many people today are not particularly Religius OR Spiritual in general, so that argument Is very case-dependant.
@@inserisciunnome So you'd say life is to be lived, purely for the sake of others? I can't quite tell which is more selfish.
In the example of the wife and husband, and the context of children, then it would be the rational and responsible thing to carry on for them. Otherwise, without those direct responsibilities towards minors who are unable to take care of themselves, it's quite up to the metaphorical person in question.
And frankly, no one is really able to prevent that. We can judge and determine that it is a waste, a loss, but it stays still at those words. The person already decided, and we ought to accept that, or at least put it in the most humane perspective possible. And yes, that includes therapy, social network as support and even forms of rehabilitation in case of direct correlation to a certain happening or traumatic occurance.
The alternative methods however, that offer a possibility to be painless, instant, are immensely traumatizing for every person who witnesses the act, or the scene after.
It is not a matter of automatisation, or shoveling the shards under the carpet in secrecy, it is about reminding ourselves of the natural aspects of death.
I too am sorry for your loss, but you seem to be denying people the right to personal autonomy. By saying you don't 'condone' suicide you seem to be judging it as immoral in some way. Perhaps you are religious, idk but I don't think any of us has the right to stop another person ending their suffering if that's what they decide to do. It behoves all of us to realise that we all may have a breaking point and just because you haven't reached yours doesn't give you the right to judge a person who has.
job well done sir. and sadly, another point in choosing to target, or not target this suicide website/forum and "mark the ghost" is that they won't stop, and targeting them just drives them further underground where it's harder to monitor them. "mark the ghost" is a monster who will pay for his crimes in this life, or the next, but you made the right call here. a social crusade would be a temporary victory and a long term loss.
where's that affiliate link
hahahaha
Now THIS is journalism! My jaw dropped!
So hopelessness has been monetized.
This issue is serious enough there was no giraffe ending.
He's talking about sodium nitrite btw
I've been a subscriber since you called out deceptive gaming advertising practice from a specific game which offers ludicrous contract to content creators. I admit I wasn't too sure when you took the turn to cover topics outside gaming industries but the amount of work and integrity you put into tackling these issues has convinced me that there are still hope for humanity.
Never stop doing what you do, good sir.
Great job, you tackled an extremely difficult and sensitive subject with professionalism and empathy
"Emotional campaigns to destroy something we disagree with is a slippery slope."
It absolutely is, but it's also largely unsuccessful and only serves to draw more attention to the thing you try to destroy, so not naming them is the better call for accomplishing your objectives anyway.
I honestly fail to see the problem 8 minutes in. Amazon has millions of users/sellers/products. Sure they should do something when aware, but you can't push intent onto an algorithm. No one at Amazon put those items together manually.
Edit: So a third party website pushed people onto those items, the algorithm recognized it and put them together. So it literally did what it was supposed to do. Where's the outrage? If anything you can point at the website promoting it.
Or at the law that needs to be changed so the product can't be sold easily. Which seems to the case everywhere else BUT the US.
I don't have a problem with the video itself, but the appeal and conclusions are just baffleing to me.
This is like those articles, saying self driving cars are racists for making choices on who to prioritize based on criteria given to the A.I.
No, the algorithm isn't evil. If anything this is negligence on Amazon. But that's also a bit of a stretch.
My respect for you and your videos keeps on increasing with every upload. Keep up the good work and don't wear yourself out.
It kinda reminds me of the tabaco industry a little bit. Selling Stuff to your Customers that kills them. Time and time again i am baffled by what soms people are doing to make money. It disgusts me. Why are some humans less human? Why profit by harming others or assist them in harming themselfs? It is a crazy World.