The Story Behind Tim Burton’s BATMAN 3
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Tim Burton’s Batman 3
Music in chapter “Early Development” is from Ross Budgen
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INTRO: 0:00
EARLY DEVELOPMENT: 2:47
RUMOURS: 4:59
STORY: 9:38
END: 12:43
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If these movies came out today they would be perfect
If they came out today they would be torn apart by Batman fans. The films had the luxury of coming out during a time Batman was kinda stagnant within broader media so it could get away with so much more than usual.
Actually, it didn't exist. Batman Forever didn't start out as a Tim Burton project. It was always Joel Schumacher's baby.
According to an interview with Lee and Janet Scott Batchler on Superhero Stuff You Should Know, Tim Burton's only involvement with Batman Forever as producer was to hire his friend Joel Schumacher as director, and help out hiring The Batchlers to write the screenplay.
Nah it would be sanitized and wimpy like every super hero film these days
@@evanzaremba4722Hi Evan
@@RoBoTrOnIc1001001sure Kang
Despite Burton not being a big Batman fan, it’s impressive just how much influence he and his creative team had on the character
Exactly !
I’d argue that he was very instrumental to making the character mainstream
Well, the guy's dark style, the comics that inspired the tone (The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns), the decision to make the bat-suit all-black and the gothic/art deco design of Gotham city have all been a part of most batman-projects since. Visually, Burton was a PERFECT fit for Batman
He and his team definitely deserve credit for legitimizing Batman to non-comic book readers. Since I wasn’t around in the 80’s I didn’t understand the context that to many people Batman was just a joke because a lot of people thought of the Adam West in relation to the name. So for those people this was their first time seeing Batman as a creature of the night.
Well, Joel is a fan of Batman and he collected every Batman comic back when he was a young boy.
Burton's Batman films are not only classics but also a major influence to many depictions of the dark knight and his universe that came after.
Those kids were coached.
The little dude seemed like he rehearsed what he was gonna say.
Batman 89 was the first Batman movie I ever saw as a kid, it literally introduced me to not only Batman but the DC universe itself. I've been a fan ever since, and it's always intriguing about Batman Continues. And is certainly one of the greatest movie what ifs...
You can tell these kids were told to hate the movie by their parents.
The one kid that saw the film twice “just to get a good opinion on it” nah, bro really liked it and just said it sucked because the adults told him to.
1:38 God even I want to take this kid’s lunch money
Type of kid to remind the teacher to give homework
They were coached to say that
I’d love for Tim Burton himself make a sequel comic. I know there’s already a comic written by the original 89 screenwriter.
But those comics are basically “what if Sam Hamm made the Batman films”. I mean a lot of Sam’s original ideas from his treatments made it in the comic.
It’s why I think the comics are just an alternate timeline of the Burton films.
(Edit): will you at some point make early development videos for the Burton/Schumacher Batman films?
Exactly. Hamm’s script for the first Batman was heavily altered in spots by Burton and Warren Skarren. In some instances I thought it was changed for the better. So yeah it’s not really representative of what Burton would’ve done.
Those poor kids almost forgot their lines.
I'm so glad you're putting many of the film's urban legends and myth to rest. Every time there's a video about this subject, it's always the same, and no actual source to proof if it was true. The only project that was connected to Batman Returns was the solo Catwoman movie. And unlike Batman 3, there's actually a script written by Daniel Waters in 1995 that anyone can read online.
Oh, I didn’t know there was a script for the Catwoman movie. Im gonna go read it.
@@WarpingFist It's... Something alright. That's all I can say.
Oh boy
"The parents told them to hate it.They were reading a script. Kids probably loved it." I often see these types of comments.
As a kid of the 90s era I didn't hate Returns, but it was definitely aimed more towards adults. Too much sexual innuendo and graphic violence. Cartoon violence didn't bother me and I liked the Animated Series which had some mature themes. I also liked the Schumacher films because they weren't too scary, no one bit any noses off or bled green ooze.
Me too. Forever does have a good balance of bright and dark, and BTAS does had the same thing.
I always love it when you make a Batman video, or really any failed movie video in general
The saddest part is... Burton probably restricted himself while filming Batman movies. If he would lash out, Batman wouldn't be only killing people, he would be sucking their blood as well
That kid with the bad haircut was for sure reading a script
little bastard
Kids: THE MOVIE IS TOO VIOLENT FOR!!
Me: Ha! Pussies.
I liked Burton's Batman and Keaton's Batman is one of my favorites, but Burton constantly messed up the villains. Joker being Batman's parents' killer, Penguin being a mutated sewer circus freak instead of a classy mob boss, Catwoman literally having nine lives. Nobody takes into account what weird changes Burton probably would've done to Riddler or Two-Face if he got the chance. It's similar to his canned Superman Lives and how he was going to make Brainiac a head with a robotic spider body who was conjoined with Lex Luthor for most of the movie.
He never did both Two-Face and Riddler, because Joel did them, and it's a really great take on both Two-Face and Riddler. I like Jack Nicholson as The Joker, Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face, and Jim Carrey as The Riddler.
If Tim ever did Riddler, he would have Johnny Depp in the role.
12:18 Shame this two face never appeared, it would've been awesome. 😊
As kid I loved the Tim Burton films they introduced me to the character of Batman and when I watched Batman forever and the other one I felt confused as a child
Love your videos bro, ive been a really big fan for a while, been loving the content
This is mu casting of Batman Continues and Batman and Robin:
1. Batman/Michael Keaton
2. Robin/Marlon Wayans
3. Dos Caras/Billy Dee Williams
4. El Acertijo/Robin Williams
5. Catwoman/Michelle Pfeiffer
6. Chase meridian/René Ruso
7. Bárbara Gordon/Winomah Ryder
8. Mr Freeze/Patrick Stewart
9. Poison Ivy/Uma Thurman (pero con un mejor diseño)
10. Bane/Lou Ferrigno
11. Scarecrow/Jeff Goldblum
12. Mad Hatter/Johnny Deep
Geena Davis as Poison Ivy and Maddona as Harley Quinn (Joker's daughter) and it's perfect
Actually, it was Joel Schumacher who wanted Michael Keaton to come back to play Batman, Rene Russo to play Dr. Chase Meridian, and Robin Williams to play The Riddler, with Joel and the Batchlers tailored the Batman Forever script contribute to Williams. Sadly, it wasn't meant for those three actors, and Val Kilmer stepped into the role of Batman, Nicole Kidman was Chase Meridian, and Jim Carrey was The Riddler.
It was also Joel who wanted to do Two-Face, and he only wanted Tommy Lee Jones for the role, and it worked.
@@Ian-hj4yt Actually, it was Joel who wanted Madonna for Harley Quinn.
@@evanzaremba4722 yeah but Billy was supposed to be Two-Face before Tommy
@@Ian-hj4yt No. Joel doesn't consider Billy Dee Williams for Two-Face in Batman Forever, because he found him too heroic like Clark Gable. And that's why he cast Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face.
Always love when you make videos like this. Its soo good to listen to and your edits are just 👌
WB keeps making great live action movies then doing a 180°. Christopher Reeves first Superman movies then they went to 💩. Same with Keaton’s first 2 & the DCEU. They botched BvS, SS1, & JL. While also (probably) redoing minor changes to other movies like BoP & WW84. Delayed Black Adam & Flash for years & had multiple writers & directors.
Nice video
Batman Returns is Far Superior than Batman 89.
You gotta be my favorite youtuber
Wish they let tim burton do a batman 3
I don't care if we wont get a nolan batman trilogy
Good day when my boy uploads
should do a video on the production of Returns and the original Hamm script.
Looking over the fragmentary ideas that commonly float around about Batman 3/Continues, I've created a personally ranking from most to lest likely to have made the movie if it had happened
1. Michael Gough's Alfred and Pat Hinge's Jim Gordon
Both Returned in Forever without Burton's involvement, so they seem like they were staying on no matter what.
2. Michael Keaton Batman/Bruce Wayne
He was demanding a 15 million salary and merchandising rights for a 3rd Film, but I think He and Warner would of come to some agreement if Burton stayed on, as Keaton seems to have left due to being unhappy with "Schumachers" (i.e. the studio's) vision not because negotiations broke down.
3. Riddler would of been the Villain
Though Robin William's probably still would've been pasted on the role due to His agents demands, I think the character was all but destined to appear simply because the Studio wanted to do Batman's 4 biggest villain's from the 60s show (Joker, Penguin and Catwoman were all mandated by the studio).
4. A secondary antagonist
Janet and Scott Bachelor stated in an interview with Superhero Stuff You Should Know that the Studio wanted to do this again (hence Two-Face was the secondary antagonist to Riddler in Forever), so it seems certain Burton and His writers would of had to do this as well.
5. The Bachelor's could of still written the Film.
The events that lead them to the project seem to have had nothing to do with Burton or Schumacher's in put, so they could of written an early draft of the script (though it likely would of been greatly rewritten as Burton likes having His mates do that on all His projects)
6. Robin may have been introduced.
While I'm uncertain of Marlon Wayans of getting to play the character (or more specifically the "Kid" from early drafts of Return's script) as He was actually the second actor to be cast as Robin (Irish kid actor Ricky Addison had been cast as the OG Dick Grayson version for Batman 89 but was cut from the Film and hence Wayan's was casted in His place), I still consider this possible if the studio had pressured Burton.
7. Billy Dee William's probably wouldn't return as Harvey Dent or Two-Face
Sadly this seems like a non-possibility as William's had already had His role cut from Batman Return's and at the time He wasn't a big star and given the studio always wanted the biggest names to play villains (hence Schumacher had Billy Dee recast/whitewashed with Tommy Lee Jones) I think He wouldn't have returned even if Harvey Dent/Two-Face was featured (which I think is unlikely and another villain would of filled His place)
8. Catwoman probably wouldn't return either
Again, this just just wasn't going to happen, as whilst popular, it seems the studio wanted to do a spin off instead of including Michelle Pfeiffer version in a future Batman sequel, (said spin-off eventually got produced as the god awful unrelated Catwoman Film with Halle Barry) and this was still on the cards when Schumacher made Forever and probably if Burton had directed instead
9. The Duality thing would of gotten ignored or muddled
Burton just never seemed interested in exploring Bruce Wayne/Batman as a character and even if the Bachelor's did present Him the idea with Him as Director, I think it would of gotten ignored in favour of exploring the Riddler instead. I say this because in Returns, which Burton had more creative control over, He decided to explore the Penguin and Catwoman rather than Batman.
10. Scarecrow was never even considered
This is the complete bunk idea of the list as it (like the Continues fan name for Batman 3) never existed and seems to have been born out of a miss conception that Brad Dourif was approached about doing the character when in reality He was simply one of the actor's Warner came to about doing the Joker (i.e. bait Jack Nicholson) back during Batman 89's production.
I think this should be a good enough ranking, fight Me on it UA-cam 😉
Two faced whitewashed ? Nah he was just cast the way he was supposed to be cast
Wow
Tim its my favorite movie director wraping fist its sad that his third Batman movie never happend , so as his Superman movie , fun fact he was aproched by Sony do Spider man but he dropped declared as DC guy imagine what could be his green goblin & Venom ?
Actually, Tim Burton's Batman 3 didn't exist. Only both the Catwoman spin-off and Superman Lives.
1:45 this kid has never seen pennywise 😂😂 I bet he the same one that had a crush on catwoman
AS A KID I WENT TO SEE THE FIRST 3 BATMAN MOVIES ALL 3 WERE GOOD BUT I REALLY LIKED THE 2ND ONE ITS CREEPY GOTHIC AND CLASSIC TIM BURTON MICHAEL KEATON WAS THE BEST BATMAN VAL WAS GOOD TO FOR THE TIME BUT THE DARK KNIGHT IS THE BEST BATMAN MOVIE THE LAST BATMAN MOVIE WAS COOL AS SHIT TOO I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD LIKE IT BUT IT DIDN'T DISAPPOINT 😊
0:11 Darlene gives it two thumbs up 👍🏽👍🏽
It would have been perfect if we got Batgirl instead of The Flash or even a 3rd and final Michael keaton Batman movie, ither live action or animated because even with the terrible flash movie we all only saw it from the G.O.A.T batman....Also if it wasn't for Warner Bros doing what they always do and mess with creative vision and we could have gotten a great third Tim Burton Batman movie or even Joel Schumacher's original idea for a Batman movie seemed pretty cool
Batgirl only existed because of The Flash. Keaton Batman was supposed to appear at the end of the movie instead of Clooney Batman which is why he was in the DCEU timeline Batgirl was set in. Also aside from the prospect of Brendan Fraser as Firefly, Batgirl looked awful.
@@venividi8523 It probably wouldn't have been as bad as the Flash
Hey gang we're early
Marlon Wayans as Robin Vs Billy Dee Williams as Two face? 😈
That sounds awful.
Honestly, i would have MUCH more prefered WB allowed Burton to make Batman 3 instead of them doing The Batman and Flash. You could have Keaton return in this one as well as Catwoman and Two-Face since actors are still working to this day.
Nah
I'm sure those kids were forced to said all that and probably were bullied in school for being cry babies in national TV i feel sad for them
Let’s go, I’m first for the first time.
It’s obvious these kids are just repeating what their parents told them 😂
01:38 ❄️❄️❄️
It sounded kinda rehearsed NGL
5:23 So like “Batman: Triumphant”? A name the internet made up for the cancelled sequel to Batman and Robin
Oh, yeah just like that. However, Batman: Triumphant was made up title for Schumacher's unnamed 3rd Batman film.
@@WarpingFist Wasn’t the script tilted Batman: Unchained?
yeah, as far as we're aware@@gameover9390
Two Face is one of my favorite villains and I would have loved to see him portrayed actually good(not hate to Eckhart he did a good job but it just didn't really feel like Two Face)
Oh, well in my opinion Eckhart is my favourite portrayl of the character despite his backstory being radically changed.
I think the executives should have been blame for missing the mark in merchandising towards kids. The executive blamed Tim Burton to cover their as*es. Looking back 30 years later, Tim Burton was correct, and the executives were wrong.💯
It wasnt the kids saying the shit it was parents groups saying it was attack against children and by today's standards burtons batman is tame
WB has ruined DC movies since Reeves’ 3rd movie. And recently, DC games. Knights, SSKJL, & even beforehand, they trademarked the Nemesis System but didn’t use it apart from 1-2 games.
All this rubbish of kids bad mouthing it, when both of Burton's movies are clearly not aimed at kids anyway(they were 15 rated over here in the UK, says it all). They were told what to say by prude parents.
Was it just me or is the backlash from kids and/or their parents influenced by the 60s Batman TV show which cemented Batman's rep as a PG-rated camp icon?
Actually, Batman Continues was a made up title. It didn't exist.
That's literally what he said.
@@ironmaskofhell1877 Yeah, and I heard that from Ben and Andrew on Superhero Stuff You Should Know.
I don’t think violence was why Batman 3 flopped buddy. Tim burton went bonkers and sh*t out a bunch of bad movies. Maybe it was just too violent for you
Source?