The Backpack Gun Project
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Let's talk about backpack guns! Everybody knows that putting tiny rifles in bags is cool. But realistically, under what circumstances could an Average Joe actually whip out a PDW and put it to use (without... you know, going to jail)? We're diving into that topic today and also taking a detailed look at my personal backpack gun setup -- an AR9 build carried in an Evergoods CPL 24.
Shortcuts:
0:00 - Backpack gun defined
1:15 - Why?
4:45 - Alternate solutions for crowd violence
7:05 - When is a backpack gun useful?
8:11 - Hardware discussion - my personal criteria for a backpack gun
9:28 - Specs for my AR9
16:45 - AR9 versus handgun
19:12 - The backpack - Evergoods CPL 24
24:36 - DIY 20-round 9mm PMAG
25:44 - Staging and deploying a backpack gun
Links:
Greg Ellifritz - Riot Survival Compendium: www.activeresponsetraining.ne...
Greg Ellifritz [book] - Choose Adventure: Safe Travel in Dangerous Places: www.chooseadventurebook.com/
Defense Against Mobs - Interview with Massad Ayoob: armedcitizensnetwork.org/defe...
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This is a video for Chris to explain to his wife why he needed a new firearm.
Boom, roasted!
"I already had this lower" = not a new firearm :D
@@LuckyGunner^^^ and judging by this reply, we can see this isn't his first rodeo.
@@LuckyGunner nothing beats the Uzi Pro with a side folding stock.
@@jond5939 TP9
I'm an apartment dweller, and I might be evacuated from my building, so I just want a way to take one of my rifles with me while filing out with a large crowd of other people. That means a broken down 16" AR15 is entirely viable. Just pointing out the "backpack gun" concept has some realistic contexts.
Yeah, that makes sense. For your context, you could get away with a much bigger backpack/bag since you're not looking at a strictly EDC use case.
The concept of a backpack gun in regards to the context has been around for a long time. Think about a bug out bag... Most people live in urban environments and in situations like that they don't want it to be a massive obviously large gun bag. Overall, there are plenty of realistic scenarios I could imagine where it may be useful.
If you're looking at preparing for a SHTF bug out situation you could keep your rifle in standard long format and invest in a good sling and a loose body cover like a serape.
@@charlesrudd3886 With the serape you will need one of those little cigars. And lessons how to squint. and don't forget the jingling spurs.
@@Predalien195 at the same time, bug out bags have been criticized as a bogus way to think about stuff because a home base will always be far better than going around doing whatever in the woods. A "get home" bag with the objective of bringing you safely home where you have a normal size rifle is ways better, you just have to imagine "home" could be as foreign as a motel or your car (where you will have your vehicle bag).
If you're in trouble, your absolute first objective will always be to get away and to safety.
I remember as a child seeing the "corporals killing" on TV. It was when two soldiers in Northern Ireland took a wrong turn, and a mob quickly descended on them. They were both armed AND fired their weapons, but it took literally seconds for them to be dragged from the car and disarmed by the mob. Pretty scary situation.
I remember that.
@@painfulorwhat8872 sounds like the typical MI6 false flag... "took a wrong turn"? lol not likely.
Haiti welcomes any foreigner with cash to lose. At best a pre-paid departure flight
will allow boarding of anyone stripped naked by Haitians with nothing else to lose.
@@rickdeckard1075the irish are that deadly, I can assure you. One headbutt can kill, and my boys are the London Irish, not the Dublin business.
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 except they all work/ed for the Crown, paid by MI5/6 to terrorize their own people.
now theyre not even needed anymore, as the irish, british, etc citizens enact their own deathwish and let their freemason cops run muslim gangs that traffic their kids.
Remember, switching to your sidearm is always quicker than pulling out your backpack gun
My plan would be to use a high capacity handgun to buy me time to get to my truck gun….
Remember, even the worst rifle is better than the best pistol.
@@nemo5335 idk ab that one bro
@nemo5335 tell that to my boy in greenwood
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Guy that literally works for an ammo company: "My range ammo supply is low right now"
Everyone else: Wait, WHAT?!
@@ReptilianLepton Sir, this is Wendy's.
I walked into a Sportsman's Warehouse to see if they had a bore sight for a 9mm. Long story short i saw they had ammo. 200 rd boxes naturally got my juices flowing. I bought them before i realized the price. $150 after taxes. 70 cents a round is just to much. I'm keeping them but God bless Academy sports and Bass pro shops.. Shooters love you guys. $99.95 for the same ammo at Academy.
As opposed to the people who _figuratively_ work for an ammo company, people.
And this is one main reason I keep coming back to this channel for your videos; you stay away from the alarmist, unrealistic doom & gloom hysteria of so many gun-related channels nowadays and make rational, logical points about not only firearm use but social interactions in general. Many thanks, your reasoned approach is very refreshing and much needed in these weird times.
There is something to be said about "Show of Force". A PDW greatly increases that over a standard pistol.
Lawyer-up, because why wait for your free telephone call after any arrest ?
Retainer rates might be cheaper than your next search for a get out of jail card.
@@jcee2259Confused. Why do I need a lawyer for a legal weapon?
@@kylelever sorry bro but if you are confused then you got issues my man. Same thing with your show of force comment. As we have already seen that show of force makes others see you as a threat or opportunity. Just look what Kyle Rittenhouse went through because he was carrying a long gun. Lucky for him the rioters were incompetent or he'd be dead and the jury came out in his favor.
@@jcee2259literally had nothing to do with this comment wtf bro.
I personally take a Bazooka to the office. When people ask me about it, i simply tell them that it's my bong.
😂😂😂
20 round ar mags are great for maneuverability. I have used them as my initial magazine quite a bit on vehicle crews while I was enlisted. Love em
They really do make a big difference in how the gun handles and how/where you can stash it. I wish they were more common.
@@LuckyGunner More common as in more used by people or more available? I see 20-round Lancers available all the time ( and have a couple myself ).
@Jaron More common as in more popular so as to demand more options from manufacturers. The 20-round PMAGs were somewhat problematic for a long time, for example. And still no windowed 20-rd PMAGs or 300 BLK-specific 20-rd PMAGs. Lancer mags are decent, but I hate how difficult they are to insert on a closed bolt, even when down-loaded by a couple of rounds.
@@LuckyGunner regarding the 20 rnd PMAG issues; are those issues for both the Gen2 and Gen3?
I have a few 20 round mags for this reason. For instance my AR won't fit in my ATV rifle rack with a 30 round mag but will with a 20.
My backpack gun: gently used CZ Scorpion that came with upgrades grip and safety lever, tailhook brace, and 6 mags for $750...😁
That's a screaming deal!
I have a standard cz evo, do they fit in a backpack?
Tom Mcfarland My Evo is SBR’d and its 16” when folded. I have a mess. bag that I carry it in along with mags and a SiCo Osprey suppressor.
@@tommcfarland5368 with the tailhook brace folded, it fits nicely in a backpack.
Damn lucky
I like how you’re actually rational and cover all bases in your reasoning and thinking.
Top notch channel! You're easy to listen to, dont ramble, have interesting topics. Quickly becoming one of my favorite GunTubers. If you want some criticism, more B roll please, most videos are just shots of you talking to us from across a table. Thanks for the quality content.
The only thing I learned in this video is that “switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading”
Captain Price was right all along
This is why I like drum magazines 😆
Watch those corners!
That's something a lot of people don't really train on, and try to become super speed reloaders and mess up during the process.
60 round PMAG drums are perfect for a backpack setup
@@B.V.Luminous " This is why I like drum magazines 😆 "
Too heavy and not reliable.
"Just like everybody else my supply of range ammo is looking pretty sad these days" - Lucky Gunner Ammo, an online ammo seller in 2020. :(
I guess he's following the adage: "Don't get high on your own supply."
😀
Meaning I'm not going to burn up all my stock when I could be selling it to you people.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot What stock? I've been checking several times a day and they've had no 9mm, 45acp, 223 or 5.56. Crazy stuff.
@@j.t.4072 They've got stock as I type, though the crazy price stuff.
Just wanted to say I like the level headed thoughts near the beginning , especially "If a long gun it's coming out of my bag, I've probably made some bad judgement calls before that point" (paraphrased)
Thank you for the solid content. The detail you go into on the topic is much appreciated. Keep up the great work!
An excellent, common sense discussion about this subject! While we all pray that we never have to use a firearm for protection, things happen that are out of our control. As a retired LEO who has been in that situation, we hope for the best but train, plan, and prepare for the worst. Great content and information. Please keep driving this type of information in your video. Thanks.
Carson Daily looks really good. I didn’t know he was a rifle enthusiast.
THAT is FUNNY!!
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omg I was looking for this comment XD
You haven't seen a picture of Czar Nicholas II...could be family.
He's more of a shotgun dork, but he does look good for being so far out of MTV
I personally went with 300 blk, a 7.5" bull barrel, and a Maxim PDW stock. OAL is 21". I can side step through doorways while looking down the sights at the target without the barrel hitting the door frame. Also, a 125 grain 300blk round with a high powder loading should penetrate level 3a armor, a major advantage over 9mm. Not to mention significantly more muzzle energy.
The first 8 minutes of this video is the most fair I've seen when seeking information about firearms in general. Great job man!
Chris, I’ve said it before- you’re knocking it out of the park, here.
Great job.
I've been putting one together for the past 8 months. Started with the idea of suppressing a 300 blackout in a compact size.
I incorporated a Law Tactical Folding adapter into it, and achieved just over 19" when folded (including the blast forwarder) with a 7.5" barrel. When my can gets out of NFA jail It will add a claimed 2.9" to the length. With the blast forwarder being about that long itself and being removed, I expect an overall length increase of only 2 inches or so. Fits in a single strap sling bag that's marketed for pickleball. Full length side unzip, draw, unfold, rack, and it's ready.
I already respected the hell out of this channel, but this video really heightened that respect. Thank you for putting a lot of thought into what you say beforehand.
It sounds like we're talking about a firearm equivalent of a "get home bag". It's not meant to get you through the apocalypse (zombie or otherwise), but it's there for when the obstacles to your safely getting home are more severe than usual.
So, an incredibly unrealistic scenario that most people don't carry the bag for anyway?
@@conman1395 I don't know if it's "unrealistic" as much as its "unlikely". It's not like violent mobs are things of fiction that don't happen in real life.
But it's not as though they happen with any particular degree of regularity, either. So it's not like getting ready for hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards or whatever kind of extreme weather may beset the areas where we live.
@@conman1395Given that the riots and how many (not all) protesters are willing to get violent with normal citizens trying to get home/on with their lives, I'd say it's not totally outside the relm of possibility.
I love the concept of this video, and would love to see it be a series! I've been debating the merits/cons of a backpack gun, and it seems like my thoughts on it are things you've taken into account for yourself, so I definitely would be in favor of seeing more content on this subject. Keep up the awesome work as always!
You know things are getting bad when even the guy who works directly with an ammo retailer is having trouble getting ammo.
^^ what you said! although it puts me to mind of that ancient Chinese proverb... "the best time to plant a tree is 30 years ago."
@Norse Woodman Point and laugh at the Chinese communist regime that went through great lengths to purge their own Imperial history.
@The league of whites theyll boil the non fresh water
Excellent, no stone left unturned. You covered it all. Hats off to Mr. Baker everybody!
All this honesty is just so cathartic and refreshing.
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Sub 2000 chambered in 9mm with glock 17 mags has been my go to.
willy Jilly Great setup. Is it the one that folds in half?
@@magasaurus7210 yes sir!
Same here.
I'm actually really confused why he didn't pick that one or something similar. Instead it looks like he spent about $800 more just because he doesn't like the mild inconvenience of blowback.
@@withinmyscope Also confused why he would spend that much on a rifle that you cant keep a round chambered because its not drop safe
+1 for the keltec sub 2000
Backpack guns are an interesting concept. Seems pretty niche though. I agree it can do things easier than a Beretta 92. But I can actually CC my Beretta 92 (when the weather isn't so extremely hot). I think I'm likely to leave the backpack at home unless I feel I will actually need it. If I feel that way, I'm likely to stay home myself unless going out is extremely necessary.
Well I was in California when their cities went up in flames my PSA ar9 came in handle trust me
@@mitchellgolston2726 I have the AR-15 option for now.
I'll stick to my Shield for edc, but I did just build myself a 7.5" AR pistol which fits perfectly inside my Cannae duffle bag along with plenty of mags and my body armor. The entire bundle fits in the spare tire well in the back of my Jeep. I even have room in there for my tools and some food/water supplies.👍🏻🍻
I'll probably never have a backpack gun, but I loved learning about yours. Thank you!
10.5” AR-15,556 broken down fits perfectly in my 3day bag,3 30 rnd magizines go well with it.takes a few seconds to reassemble load and be ready
Just prepare to go deaf if you ever have to fire it
@@Darkpara1 ,lol! Already half deaf anyway. It’s not an issue when fighting for your life!
I hope CMMG makes adapter kits for the 20 round mags as well, I was thinking earlier in the video that the 30 round stuck out a bit far for the concept behind this rifle. Great video as always.
I cut one of my adapters down and put it in a 20rd pmag. Hundreds of rounds later and no malfunctions. only drawback is that it is a little more complicated to install. LOL I just got to the part that he did the same thing but I didn't melt it back together.
@Timeless Auto Works So you just hacked off the bottom and didn't bother with any of the internal floorplate and stuff? I was going to try that next, but wasn't sure if it would work.
@@LuckyGunner I was going to put the bottom plate back on like you did but could not think of a reason that it actually needed it. I understand why they put it on, its impossible to install wrong. With the bottom all loose I must be really careful to put everything in the correct spot. The mag also holds 21 rounds now but I only put 20 in.
Great vid! Like the way you break it all down. Thanks for sharing your load out!
Dude, your videos are SOLID! I love em!
This instructor is scary competent and looks like “NEEGAN.”
He has always produced excellent, level headed and informative videos.
Neegan mixed with Zac Efron lol
I can only imagine the time it takes from Chris to choose every word he says... and then translate into this clean video. I just say... thanks. As always
Yeah... He's very well spoken, articulate, and logical. Good channel
You put out some fantastic content, dude. Quality stuff.
This is probably and most informative video I have ever watched
Thank you for your advanced edicate and vocabulary in how to explain the life and vulnerability of carrying a long gun
Having a forward assist Brake on the front of the gun will help mitigate the sound compression (Concussion) on the ears
best regards, Rick
It's really cool to hear you're from Knoxville. I go to UT and I am always happy to see so many prominent pro 2A influencers in Tennessee!
Nice! Hey, neighbor!
Yep I had no idea! Love it. If you enjoy shooting steel, check out Windrock Park outdoor shooting range just outside of Knoxville. Im a member there and love it.
@@LuckyGunner I'm out in Murfreesboro! Ever been to Middle TN?
Nice to know I live down the road.
Keep voting for Kane.😁
Thank you for discussing today's climate with just facts and absolutely NO POLITICAL bull or scare tactics. That's why I watch your videos (and buy your ammo with expensive shipping ;).
Seriously? The whole premise of this is predicated on the politics of fear.
@@RabidMortal1 fear is an emotion and has been embedded in us for legitimate reasons. If you don't believe me, try crossing a highway without looking.
Great video. Personally, a 10.5" Brownell's BRN-180 upper paired with a folding stock/brace would make for a pretty good bag gun as well. It would be just as short as that AR9 and within $1200. I have a Sentinel Concepts Revelation II backpack and it fits this kind of setup perfectly. It also has a padded bottom to protect the muzzle and to prevent the bag from making a metallic "gun" sound when you place it on a hard surface.
I have spoken to 3 different cops who've had to fire their patrol rifles indoors with no hearing protection and all have said that in the heat of the moment the blast was imperceptible to them, so that's something to consider.
For something even more compact, a Sig P320 with the Flux MP17 chassis looks really promising. It weighs less than 3 pounds loaded, can fit a laptop sized bag and is borderline concealable under a thick jacket or raincoat.
Thank you for adding another project to my huge list of things I wish I had the money for
For even more compactness and still having the advantage of an increased chance of putting rounds on target (and to look less like you're just out for trouble with an AR-type firearm), try a Glock 17/19 with an Endo Tactical adapter along with a pistol buffer/brace.
Wow! Just Wow! That was the most complete and well thought out information on the topic I have seen and I find it informative and very valuable! Thank you! The only point we differ is if things have devolved to the point I need or want more than my sidearm, I want something more than a 9mm. I already have a 9mm and now I want to make some noise and present myself has highly dangerous and someone they want to leave alone. So a rifle caliber for me. Nice work! More please!
I live like 30 min from Knoxville in a tiny ass town in TN and I still carry every where every day. You never know brother 💯
Yes, I would be interested in seeing other backpack gun configurations that you may have.
Looks like a new job for my CZ Scorpion w/ SB folding brace. And, 20 round mag. On the other hand, seems like a 300 Blackout pistol would be made for this set up. More firepower and the ammo is made for short barrels.
While it certainly merits discussion, I think the scope where having a backpack gun is both merited and legally defensible is pretty narrow. I’m glad you touched on this. I’ll stick with my pistol EDC and just do my best steer clear of trouble.
*Edit: I live in a city where rioting and looting have been happening.
A jury will take one look at that thing and be like "psycho walking around with that" so the only time this is really viable to bring out would be if shit really hit the fan.
These days I'm just carrying a couple of extra spare pistol mags in my every day gear and vehicle.
Stay frosty
Vincent Langel Stay safe.
Vincent Langel amen to just staying out of trouble. When you have a hammer everything starts to look like a nail
Vinc - I'd say an SBR is the worst option. 1 if you use it the cops will take it
2 pain in the A$$ to transport across state lines, and even some cities.
Appreciate the info, great advice on restraint and recognizing a real threat with escape being the first option.
Good solid advice
I am also dying for a 20rd version of the cmmg mag. I just love the look!
Would love to see the other contenders for this project
Uzi Pro
The biggest issue when choosing a bag gun is barrel length and the time it takes to get a tax stamp. Without waiting the main options to keep it small are a pistol brace with all its compromises, a folder like the Sub 2000 though that's blowback, or a bullpup.
Personally I'd ditch the $1200 limit and no blowback limitation and get a PS90. Ideally SBR it and install a 10.4" barrel.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot I have tried various backpack guns over the years. So far the Uzi really fits the bill. And IWI has amazing customer service.
@@jond5939 IWI only does the Pro version with a 4.5" barrel now, an odd looking pistol to put it politely.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot looks aren't really important to me. It is even more simple than an AK47. Has enough customization to make it whatever you want. And is able to go anywhere a full size handgun can go.
It's a better sidearm than any pistol and able to be a decent mid range PDW that can go anywhere.
Why not just go with a Sig MPX and skip the whole NFA nightmare. That’s what I would suggest.
$1500+ vs. $900 max?
@@SandstormGT Most of the pistol configs on Broker are going for north of $2,000 some with 2-4% CC surcharge too. Good guns but I'll stick with my own custom builds. Paying top dollar ain't an issue for me most of the time but I don't like throwing it away either.
Yep. Or an MP5K like I carry.
@@tacticaltruth6Actual Mr.Moneybags here 😂
Tactical Truth MP5 is old school!
Great video man, helping me narrow down decisions for my own bag gun
Wow, I can't believe that this dude without me realizing it convinced me to stay on the video for almost 30 mins. So, important takeaway, I learned a new brand of backpack. I'm digging the gun btw.
Love this content! Huge kudos!
I want to see the others you tried bagging. Those 20s are great for bags.
6:07.........thankyou!!!!! thankyou for being one of the ONLY "gun guys" I have seen acknowledge this very VERY real distinction
New favorite! Concise. Thorough. Seriously....A fkn PLUS friend. A real breath of fresh air. The time spent on making it just that, is artful. Damn thats nice. And I'm talking about the info, and articulation, never mind the weapon. A genuine thank you🙏
My backpack gun is cz scorpion micro. Love it.
Good choice. Do you use the magpul mags?
I have the PSA akv 9mm and it uses scorpion mags.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I have some of the magpul 35rnd mags they work great but I keep the 20rnd in the gun and 30-35roundeea for reloads
When I was considering setting up a backpack gun, I struggled and failed in my project. You said something that made great sense, a backpack gun is a purpose built firearm, not a do all gun... Generally my firearms serve multiple roles, but for a backpack gun it needs to only be what it is... Thank you for your insight.
Uzi Pro
@@IlIlllIllIlIIIll Until you come across a non permitted "protest" on your way home? Not fully disagreeing with you, but preparing for all scenarios is prudent I'd think.
@@IlIlllIllIlIIIll Tons of fair points here, but it's not always police escalating, sometimes its a non-protester using the protest to hide their criminal activity, much like Chris said in the video.
Agree 100% on all other points, except if you also call your backpack gun a truck gun, think Sutherland Springs shooting. There are plenty of scenarios where trouble can find you, and if it's not a burden to prepare for them, why not?
That being said, my G48 and awareness are all I burden myself with at this point, definitely no backpack gun in my future. Maybe a truck gun someday though haha.
@@IlIlllIllIlIIIll When I look at my use case, it is when I travel and hotel stays. It would be much easier to have something smaller than a 11.5' AR Pistol.
Always a great content!
My original bag gun was a 7" 300 BO pistol. I've now started to build a 9mm PCC. I have been very happy with my Olight PL 2 mini Valkyrie. It will be fitted with a Cry Havoc quick release barrel system vs using a law tactical side folder.
Love the video great information, insight into carrying a bag gun and implications during a heightened threat scenarios.
Kel-Tec Sub 2K w/ Glock 19 grip best combo with G19 or G26 one complements the other.
Amen
Is a Sub2K reliable enough though?
@@Saku19 yes blowback design is simple and reliable. Has a threaded barrel for more options.
Saku19 it works great for me . I also have a lot of the mcarbo upgrades that really make the sub 2k shine . I have the metal trigger , trigger spring kit and the mcarbo optic mount with red dot . I just need the muzzle break one day
@@DARTHDANSAN if you had to guess, how many rounds do you have through it?
I've been running a backpack gun intermittently since 2014, whenever there have been riots or whatnot. One thing that I keep in mine that you may consider is a piece of soft body armor. I have a level 2A vest that can be (mostly) concealed under a t-shirt. If you have time to deploy your long gun, you probably also have time to throw on a vest. It doesn't take up much space or weight, but you'll be glad you have it.
Have you seen Leatherback Gear backpacks? Plate carrier backpacks that separate into a makeshift vest and have plates front and rear. You can get them with soft panels or you can put in hard plates for up to level IV protection if you need it.
@@nottaexpert2690 Thanks for the recommendation! I just checked it out, and it looks like a good product. Not really my kind of thing, but I'm sure a lot of people will find value in it.
@@charleschristianson2730 I'd definitely recommend something with a plate in it.
Alot of people are now packing 5.7 pistols.
They defeat type III soft body armor, but bounce off any metal plate.
I like my 5.7😜
9mm can defeat soft body armor with certain rounds, like fort Scott munitions TUI rounds.
@@saltyp7573Do you even carry a backpack gun, and if so do you ACTUALLY keep armor with plates in the same rig? Of course you don't....
I have vests with level IV plates set up for other occasions, but I don't see the practicality for this particular application. Nearly all shootings in the US are with common handgun calibers such as 9mm, .40, or .45. Plates would double the weight of the system, and it's already a low probability that I would have to deploy it. If things got super-hot, I would be running a full-size carbine with a combat loadout anyway, not a "backpack gun".
@@charleschristianson2730 actually yes my PC9 carbine fits perfectly in my backpack. No I don't use plates, I don't have ANY body armor.
I'm not the one here saying that "I have a level 2A vest that can be (mostly) concealed under a T-shirt". That was all you.
I just pointed out the fact that your 2A vest WON'T HELP AT ALL against most rounds today.👍
A really good video. Very thoughtful, very informative. Good job.
I love that you put that like that to me I always say my first line of defense is my brain do everything not to get in a sketchy situation watch your surroundings pay attention.
I there are NOT very many scenarios where taking out your long gun from your backpack and putting rounds downrange instead of retreating that also couldn't be handled by your concealed pistol. This backpack gun trend screams of manufacturers inventing a new market segment.
My "backpack" firearm is my MP5K. It folds perfectly into my sling bag. The POU is when you need more sustained, accurate volumes of fire. It shares the same ammo as my side arm. HOWEVER, it is highly maneuverable, more accurate given 4 points of contact, holds more rounds (25-30), has a longer barrel (5.6 and 8.9) for better ballistics and longer sight radius and no significant felt recoil. Also, it uses a sling so you can go hands free and keep it ready without re-holstering. So if you really are getting into a prolonged/running gun battle this is a better option.
Maybe if you work private security for a PMC or maybe even bodyguard work for VIPs.
Truth! Especially when there are options already available for those few specialists that really need to have a more offensive capability on hand. Bodyguards, armor car guards and a few others. In the case of mob violence, situational awareness I’d much better than a bag gun.
Plenty of situation preclude retreating. If I’m with my family, or a large group of kids. Also, not sure if you’ve been staying aware, but violence is increasing. Slowly, sure, but still increasing.
Not sure its manufactures, i think its more enthusiasts who are just coming up with excuses/direction for new builds. Guys who have a Home defense AR, Truck gun, shtf rifle etc and are saying i want to setup a new gun and not just another 16” AR .... I havent really seen manufacturers pushing “backpack guns” per se.
Earned even more respect from me with this video! Keep it up
As a follow-up to a previous comment of mine, I have nearly this exact same setup with a few key changes;
A) I'm running the Blitzkrieg hydraulic 9mm buffer with a 308 flatwire spring for ultimate butter smoothness. A lesser known fact about running (some of) the hydraulic buffers with a CMMG RDB setup is that you have to run an A5 buffer tube. In order to get enough clearance for the bolt to achieve LRBHO you need that extra 3/4" lenght in the A5 tube.
B) I'm running the Aero XL upper reciever. I did not have any problems running a standard upper reciever but switched to the XL just because I could.
C) Other differences; BCM Mod3 grip, Rave 140 trigger, ILWC 3-lug, PRI gas buster CH, Radian talons, BAD lever, SBA3 brace
D) HS503GACSS on a MI QD lower 1/3 mount, no BUIS (it's a range gun)
E) IWC M-LOK barrier hand stop. I'd love to hear from you if you found any other options as far as a handstop that go all the way to the end of the rail.
Additionally, I also struggled to find a light setup that would work with such a short rail (MI-CRM4.5) and did try the TRL RM 1 but quickly got rid of it because of the meek output. I've ultimately settled on running an 18350 Modlite with the PLHV2 head on an original Modlite Modbutton mount. The mount is what solved all my problems because it gives me low-pro mounting and a switch all in one. The mount keeps the light off to the side at the 1 o'clock position and allows you to grip the rail completely, with nothing in your way. Then when I want light I can activate the switch at the 12 o'clock position. The only downside to the Modbutton is it's momentary only but just add a DS00 as your connection switch and you can have constant on capabilities as well.
The setup is SUPER pricey though and (probably) too much light for the gun so in hindsight I would probably just use an Arisaka 300 E1HT to save a couple hundred bucks and still have more than enough light for a PCC range gun.
I bought a KelTec Sub2000 Gen II 9mm M&P version more than 3 years ago specifically as a backpack gun for my Jeep when I go camping and wheeling. Obviously works just as well in my truck. Easy to grab and go. I matched it with an M&P 9mm full size and can use the magazines in either the Sub2000 or the handgun. I can literally switch out on the spot. I have extended and 17-round magazines, it works out pretty well, and didn't break the bank.
One piece of advice that I’ve read that resonates with me is “don’t hang around to watch the show.” That is as true of a criminal attack on a third party as it is of a protest. If I see something that looks like it might go south, I GTFO immediately. The best way to win a fight is to not be there.
Two people involved in a domestic? Call the police and GTFO. Three police cars involved in a traffic stop? GTFO. Demonstrators protesting? GTFO. The local baseball team having a parade because they won the pennant? I read about the planned parade the day before and I’m long gone.
This, right here. Dead on.
cowardly
Come on, you apes! Do you wanta live forever!?
-Some soldier in 1918
I would like to see what the future holds for concepts like this. I'm still not on the PCC train, but with different, more powerful calibers in a similar compact package, I could be swayed.
You could already get the gun in this video chambered in 10mm (mags might be different). Personally, I'd go with a rifle caliber and a quick-detach/attach silencer to fix the broken eardrums problem. If I have time to take off my backpack and pull it out, I probably have time to stick on the silencer and give it a twist (takes about a second, I reckon). Then it's quieter and has much better ballistics. An alternative would be to go the route of a folding handguard and barrel system. Then you could have a longer barrel, perhaps even an integrally suppressed barrel, without increasing overall length in the backpack. Again, probably taking an extra second to deploy. But with a longer barrel, it's quieter and has better ballistics and you could use a standard stock and buffer tube to save money.
An alternative for even smaller bags is to make a little cube-shaped AR pistol: folding brace, folding forend with shirt barrel, QD silencer. Overall length under 10".
Or you could go even smaller with other PDWs. A PS90 wouldn't be a bad option and holds 50rds in the mag. Last stop in PDW land before you get to conventional handguns is something like the B&T TP9, which is small enough to be holstered on the body if necessary and certainly fits in most common bags people carry. It would fit in almost any backpack or satchel or purse. Some people could even conceal it well enough with a shoulder holster and a jacket. Works well with a QD silencer if desired, which could be kept in the bag alongside it.
@@Paelorian if you're going to be considering something like an SBR'd PS90, we may as well go all-out price wise and consider an SP5 that has been SBR'd, with an SP5K being the logical option if you're going as small as you can go.
Outstanding presentation! I thoroughly enjoyed your commentary. Semper Fi
Thank you for the wonderful information!
LAW Folder AR or MCX with a 6-8” barrel in .300 BLK
Or,
A SBR side folding AK in 7.62x39.
How about a Deadfoot arms MCS or SCW. On my 8.5” PSA 300blk, the scw4 makes it right at 21.5” OAL. Fits perfect in my Vertx gamut checkpoint.
Essentially what I said!!
@@YenzHouse ^^Yes, that!
yep 30 cal for short barrell
Depending on your CC or sidearm, a Stern defense adapter might work well. I have Cx4 30rd mags for my pistol build, and regular 15rd for my 92fs. both mags are interchangeable between the guns, and although it does add some weight, I can also keep a regular lower while using the adapter.
Excellent & intelligently presented discussion on this topic - well done!
Good information, great job with the project for folks who may be in need of such a package.
Thanks for going in and making the distinction with the protesting/rioting/mobs, it really gives you a more nuanced view that a lot in the gun community don't have. Much appreciated.
My back pack gun has been the Kel-tec sub 2k Gen 2, it’s great for pairing with the Glock 17 or even G19 as they have compatible mags, great gun for the price and not to mention the ammo capacity options for it lol
do you still have the sub2k? does it still work?
Easily, one of the best "Lucky Gunner" thought out videos.
really appreciate you guys.
Thank you
I’ll bet a law tactical folder would make that stock setup the perfect length of pull. Plus you could get the gun even shorter if needed.
I am running a Sig copper head in a “grey man” type backpack..It’s perfect for this application..People say its to small but I am infinitely more accurate shooting the copper head than any pistol I own..
SBRs and AR pistols are plenty accurate for any distance that a court of law would believe as "self defense".
I'm up in Seattle. They called Chaz/Chop a, "love festival". Drove through Portland as well last year. I agree, it's not, "Escape from New York", but I think we're at the top of that, "slippery slope". I also completely agree that most if not nearly all dangerous situations can be avoided.
Great job with this video. Definitely has me thinking.
Got a Ruger PC Charger for this purpose and love it!
Dude that thing looks badass especially for the price! I'm glad to hear you like it.
What do you use for Red dot and light?
Keith Miller right now just a cheep red dot and a olight I already had. Will upgrade down the road.
megatron184 yeah it’s a great gun for the money!
Same. Put a sig red dot and a folding brace. Thing is super sweet to shoot. Eventually I'll upgrade the trigger and add bigger controls, but the stock trigger is pretty decent already.
This reminds me of those leather briefcases with a MP5 built into it or the Russian one with some kind of Russian SMG.
Ahh yes, the HK Operational Briefcase. There were also a MAC versions of it for the M10 and M11.
Very educational and very well organized content!
Thnxs for uploading and sharing
I've never considered carrying a bag gun but in light of recent events. Having a small compact high capacity "pdw" is looking better.
Do it now while you can !!! Get sub 2000 in Glock 9mm
I don't know the specifics of your situation, but consider these thoughts:
- If you're defending a business, you'd likely be proactive and already have a long gun out anyway, and you'd want it to be a rifle and not a PCC.
You would likely also be able to proactively put yourself in an advantageous position.
- If you're in a city and rioting begins close to you, it's not like things change like a flash of light, there's buildup. If you have any awareness at all, you'll likely see tensions gradually build and you can get out of there. And if you're confronted on your way out of danger, what is the chance that your 5+ second back pack gun deployment is going to be a better option than just drawing your handgun or running? Very slim chance.
Even though I can't play the guitar, I regularly carry a guitar case 😎
Beware bro, guitars are expensive and people have been known to swipe them.
I like your presentation. You are sensible with your choices and not pushing your style. Thanks
Hello
The Bolt and Barrel Kit says "Requires enlarged ejection port for reliable operation."
Did you have to do any mods to your upper to make this work?
Thanks Rick
Chris,
Great video! CMMG mentions that ejection port might need to be enlarged to run their RDB bolt. Did you modify your Aero Precision upper or did it work without mods?
Keep the great videos coming.
I've been wondering the same thing. He may have used the Aero Precision XL upper which comes with an already enlarged ejection port. Unfortunately they seem to be out of stock absolutely everywhere right now...
“Carrying a long-gun in public is going to be seen by most Americans as offensive not defensive.” - Damn Right! Thank you for saying it!
The likelihood of certain situations is remote, it's true. Yes, always avoid or evade as a first choice! I live in a nice middle to upper middle class neighborhood. Very quiet. Virtually no crime. No murders in a town on 40k in over 50 years. Last weekend, someone tried to forcibly enter a friend/neighbor's home in the middle of the day when they were home! Thankfully, they didn't gain entrance and were scared away when the inhabitants screamed through the door. The statistical likelihood of an incident like this is remote...but it does happen. I told my wife, "this is why I carry a gun all day everyday even when I'm at home".
Excellent video as always. thanks.