How Quiet Is A Suppressed .22LR? -Dead Air Mask- Tactical Tuesday
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- This week for Tactical Tuesday we are answering the questions, exactly how quiet is a suppressed .22lr? We chose to use a Dead Air Mask as our suppressor for the tests and put it on 3 different platforms, a Bergara16" Bolt Action .22lr, a 16" Ruger 10/22 and a Ruger Mk3 pistol.
After getting data on both the supersonic and subsonic ammo through each gun, we then compare those ratings to every day noises that we are all familiar with to get a better point of reference.
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I wish more decibel tests were done like this on UA-cam.
Thank you. We have plans to do more
Right, without first round pop db rating it’s kinda pointless
Totally. Everyone has one on their phone
I literally thought the weapon didn’t fire…… all you hear is trigger action. I’m blown away.
Its crazy how quite they get!
I have a ar 15 chambered in 22 with a suppressor…… all you hear is”click”
Wait till you find some .22 ammo that goes 780 in speed suppressed 🙏🙏👍
Keep in mind video audio can't really compare to in-person sounds.
@@juliomercedes6729Exactly, either this was a poor choice of ammo or a very poor choice of a can. There is 0 sound when using proper rounds through a proper can. The fall of the firing pin on a 22 is nothing compared to a 223.
Your comparison with other items (balloons, slide, AR bolt drop and paint ball gun) was awesome and really gave some great context to compare...Great video! Sub'd
Thank you! We appreciate it
Yeah the balloons were great!
This is awesome! The only thing that would make this better is showing tables at the end of the video of the hosts and the first round pop, lowest rating and average decibel rating by ammo. And then also comparing the different type of sounds and decibels to each other in another table. I was mind blown to see how loud other common things are in comparison! I’m sharing this with friends and family so they understand the difference a suppressor can make to protect your hearing.
Thats a great suggestion. Ill keep that in mind for future videos
Dead air mask doesn’t have the “first round pop” that you get with most of them. That’s the claim to fame on that specific silencer. But I could totally see how that would be a nice format typically.
My extra suggestion would be to make sure that when showing us the the sounds for listening, keep the camera position and mic position consistent. The very first gun he shot the position of the mic was exclusively behind the firearm with the sub sonic but then with super sonic he went in front of the rifle a little with the mic. This makes a HUGE difference. The sound suppression realistically is still barely able to be heard and subsonic is not THAT much quieter in the fashion the camera placement inconsistencies made it seem. Just my thoughts
This is literally the best silenced .22lr sound comparison video available on UA-cam. Very informative. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! Stay tuned, we are working on a lot more .22 lr content that will have a TON of sound comparisons.
@@modernwarriorsut The one thing you didn't do was a firing pin drop on the 22 rifle. Done on a fired case, would give us the practical limit for sound reduction for that rifle.
I tested my target rifle and got about 108 dB for the firing pin drop. I've never heard a subsonic round do less than 110-108 dB. The 104 dB you got is EXTREMELY impressive. I had the same sound meter setup as you did for this video.
This was insane! I also really appreciate the audio quality and the comparisons to other items, really put it in perspective better than anything I’ve seen.
Thank you sir!
The ammo is the key component here. The cci quiet rounds are only 710 fps while a typical 1050 fps subsonic round is much louder. From my experience the quiets sound that way with just about any suppressor.
It's worth noting that every ten decibels or so is twice the noise. Decibels work a bit like earthquake magnitudes where they scale very quickly.
thats a great analogy
No, it is logarithmic, 10 Db increase is a factor of 10, 20 db increase is a factor of 100, and so on and so forth. Exponentially more dangerous on hearing.... but i do appreciate the fact that you understand db scales quickly, though its much quicker than you imagined. Which is why >120 Dba can be devastating.
I should also point out that 104 Db, though it sounds quiet to the average shooter, is still enough for hearing protection given the type of sound energy that is released. After a couple of hours at 104db you will notice some level of hearing loss temporarily (stuffy ears, ringing, etc) as that is the ears natural reaction and self preservation ability.
So 157 decibels is twice as loud as 147 decibels?
@@NoQuarter01yes and no potentially. While it’s not twice as loud, it could be perceived as twice as loud by the ear. Sound is a weird beast and very hard to understand
Wow, you are providing the best info on suppressors by measuring objective data like in this video or showing side-by-side comparisons of suppressor flash signatures in an earlier video. Very interesting to learn the dBs from the bolt closing, balloons, etc.
Thank you! We had a good time making the video. We have talked about doing a follow up video with more examples. Sadly the coolest footage got messed up, but we db read opening a soda can and it was louder than subs going through the bolt gun haha.
I did this build and can confirm it’s insanely fun and scary quiet 😂 I’ve had people come up to me at the range asking why I haven’t started shooting yet even tho I was sitting there for 10 minutes aiming, not realizing i was shooting the whole time.
hahaha thats awesome!
Really loved how you guys compared the suppressed sound to everyday sounds so we can get a better idea of how quiet that is! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Great stuff, especially with the comparisons. I never realized how loud opening a can of Coke was until one very quiet night, I was under a glass break sensor in the kitchen and it set off the house alarm. I've read that can be 120-130 decibels.
its crazy how loud some everyday sounds actually are that people dont think twice about.
The big item to take away from this is. If you run a suppressor and run subsonic ammo it will be HOLLYWOOD QUIET. Same with any ammo or gun you shoot. A suppressor does it's job for people around the gun. The subsonic ammo makes the bullet go slower than the sound barrier. The bolt action rifle is nice, but a ruger 10/22 with a different set of pins that are covered in rubber will really quiet it down. The subsonic ammo is the key. The same can be said with the size of the suppressor. The ammo is what makes the biggest difference.
What pins on the 10/22?
I have a Ruger Precision Rimfire with a Wildcat Predator 12 suppressor on, shooting CCi sub-sonic hollowpoint at 1050fps, it's literally the click of the trigger pull that can be heard.
I can use the rifle on an indoor range in booths and not have to use any ear-pro at all, sometimes the only way to know that its fired is the hole in the target.
I've had RO's ask if I've had a miss-fire on a couple of occasions.
After watching this, I might get a decibel meter and see what level it's at.
It is also super accurate, 10 shots in a 10mm group at 50m all day.
The measurement of suppressed gunshots requires a specialized and very expensive sound meter. Everyday sound meters will not work.
CCI Standard ammo is subsonic , many people use it in suppresed cal.22lr hunting rifles, If your rifle is of American manufacture then you usually get good accuracy.
Best video on suppressed noise levels. Thanks for making it.
One of the best comparison videos I have seen, good job.
Thank you!
A buddy of mine who was a Vietnam Vet said they used to use VW bug exhaust stingers as improvised 22 silencers and that it as about as loud as thumping your knuckle on a table.
Thats some cool history right there!
In VN, we had a CIA guy tagging along with us, and he had a suppressed M16. The suppressor was so big and cumbersome we laughed at it... probably close to 2" in diameter and about 16" long. He never fired it, but I bet it was quiet.
@@Bob_Adkins welcome home.
This video really helped put things in perspective. The sub-sonic ammo firing at 104 db versus a staple gun at 109 db is an awesome frame of reference. I could not make sense of the online db charts saying that chainsaws and motorcycles are around 110 but make no mention of how far away, or if it's idling or revving or what. One thing I would like to see in a future video is these same measurements from different distances away. It'd be interesting to see how far out you'd need to be for the sounds to become imperceptible.
That would be cool. The challenge with going much further is that it really starts to skew the results and becomes hard to get any reliable, repeatable data. But i can say from personal experience that beyond 15 yards or so, its pretty hard to tell that someone is shooting a suppressed .22 if there is any breeze or people talking.
Very nice video, was a bit concerned with the Mask, but you proved a good point. You sold me on it, should have it now in - hopefully 6 months.
The bolt action .22 LR is insane.
I have this can on a 22/45. While archery hunting a few years back after I had tagged out my friend spotted a grouse and told me to shoot it. I knocked an arrow and was stopped by my friend who stated “no, use your pistol, your bow is too loud”. It’s a older bow but still puts it in a little perspective
Omg. First channel to give points of reference!!! 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Super awesome idea to compare with other common sounds.
Would've liked a reading on the hammer drop dry firing each gun. It probably would've been real close to the subsonic suppressed on each gun.
When you shoot subsonic rounds through a .22 with a quality suppressor, the average pellet gun is louder.
This was a truly great real life test. Thanks.
Great comparison , really helpful to compare common noises !
Thank you!
We used to get a .22 round from Remington called CBee and I'm sure it is aa sr round as they were shorter than a normal .22 round and not enough power to work a semi-auto action. Fitted with a silencer on my semi-auto you could here the firing pin click and the projectile hit and nothing else. If you can get tyem i would like to see a test on them. Great vidoe thank you
CB caps are still around. They don't have any powder in the case. They are primer powered only.
Awesome video. Subscribed. I would love to see more tests with the decibel meter. Most on UA-cam are completely incorrect with garbage equipment. I'd love to see how quiet you could make a pistol caliber carbine without a suppressor.
Ammo powerful enough to cycle a semi-auto will always be loud. There is no free lunch.
I have an integrally suppressed AR9 that does 117 dB with Special-K ammo. That is only 3-4 dB over the action noise.
In the seventies, a .22 silencer could be purchased in South Australia for about $13. My friend assassinated a duck. He saw the duck, stopped the vehicle, passenger window goes down, “psst!”, duck down. Rifle was a Ruger and had a scope.
Can't wait to get my Sparrow & Mask that are still in jail.
This is a great spectrum of tests.
Nice angles on the photography & nice editing.
Thank you! much appreciated
Really good video! Enjoyed it. Also ordered some stuff from you guys and got it Today. You guys are awesome
I kinda wished that you would have the meter next to the shooters head. That way you would get a level as to what the shooter hears. With a non-certified meter, I have gotten more than a 10+ db difference by moving the meter a couple of feet at a diagonal away from the muzzle and even more reduction when my meter was just behind the shooter. However, this video is about the best one on showing actual reduction of sound levels.
Thank you! We are working on another .22 suppressor video where we plan to include readings near the shooters head as well. Thank you for the feedback
AWESOME VIDEO love the other examples as frames of reference. Good stuff. Earned my sub.
The CCI 22-Quiet has only 710 fps velocity vs. CCI Standard at 1070 fps. Most other brands of subsonic is running at 1040 fps.
Two minutes in, im wondering what paintball marker you'll be testing. An Autococker or SP Impulse, or an angel, perhaps? Because there's a huge difference in noise output between the first two and the last mentioned. So if you didn't have me for the silencer content, you've got me for the paintball gun portion! Let's go!
haha yeah i def stacked the deck in my favor for that one. I used my custom AC pump that ive tuned to be pretty quite.
That was a good bit of info, and looked so fun to make. Wish I was part of it.
Thank you! It was a good time to make.
I also own the Dead Air Mask! I'm posting a new video soon with it on a "tactical 22 pistol". So much fun!
Thank you! Loved this! I have a Dead Air Mask 22 HD on the way . . . in about a year!
You will love it!
Awesome comparison guys
I found myself wondering if the meter only measures the decibels at the precise moment the bullet leaves the suppressor, or if it picks up other extraneous sounds, such as the sound the action makes. I have the DA Mask and use it on my MK4 Ruger 22/45 lite, as well as my Ruger 10/22 Stainless with a free-floating bull-barrel. Both sound similar to a baby mouse fart underwater (-;
Clunky bolt was annoying. 😊
The balloons added a real world experiment that all of us can relate to.
I love how he braces for recoil on a 22
Does looking through the scope help decibels?
Needed summary chart at end, but great. Including reference sounds important. Now higher calibers and other suppressors. Can you do custom suppressors, bigger and quieter?
Thank you for the compliments. We agree, in the next one we will provide a chart with a break down at the end of the video.
You can tell my man plays paintball. Been a while watching this have me the urge to play😂
hahaha i used to. Had to dust off the custom pump set up for the video
@@modernwarriorsut yea nice set up !
I think the slide makes more noise on that rugar 10-22 than the sub sonic ammo.
You should have used some CCI standard velocity in all of the guns, because I know that you didn't use the CCI Quite in the two Rugers. It will not cycle the action of either of the semiautomatic guns and I know from experience that they are substantially quieter than all the other subsonic ammo. It would have made the 10/22 almost as quiet as the bolt action.
Quite quite quiet
Nice quality video, very informative and clear, thank you
thank you!
Well done. I love that range, been there a few times.
Its a good one!
Just bought a Dead Air Mask. It got out of jail in one business day! YEPPIE! can't wait to try it out on my new Ruger Mark 4 target. I'll let you guys and girls know 😉. Palm Bay Pete.
You will love it!
I like your video. The algorithm brought me here. Id like to comment that the CCI you showed is only 710fps. They are already pretty quiet. Id like to have heard them unsuppressed for comparison. Also all ammo is subsonic from a pistol. That CCI quiet is unreliable at 710 in a semi auto. Id suggest using heavier ammo in the future. Like 45 grains at 910fps. It's quiet and will run in a semi auto.
CCI makes a Quiet Semi-Auto round that will cycle a Ruger MK2 reliably. Its a bit soft but it does cycle fine.
why did you skip the sub sonic un supressed at the beginning ?
With a bolt 22 you can get away with a much shorter suppressor and it be super quiet. I have a short k can that has 4 baffles and it’s as quiet as my full size 22 can with 8 baffles.
I’d like to have seen the unsuppressed numbers of the mark iii. I’d imagine it would have been louder than the bolt gun. And the 103 numbers you were using the cci quiet. But in the subsonic of the other Guns you didn’t mention the quiet cci just said subsonic. What subsonics was used. The quiets won’t cycle any gun I have. Also would have liked to seen standard subs in the bolt gun.
I am glad that I am not the only one that caught that, it's honestly disappointing because it's not an apple to apple comparison.
A Ruger MK2 unsuppressed will be roughly 155 dB. CCI makes a Quiet Semi-Auto ammo that will cycle a Ruger MK2.
Tou should have tested the .22 standard pistol as a baseline.
That was way more than a meter or 40 inches. Probably better to measure next time to be accurate ;) But great video. Thanks for the comparison!
A very good and educational video! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Most noise from a suppressed round will come from the target strike.
Ye Ol' Staple Boi had zero first round pop. I base all of my choices around this one feature, therefore ye ol' staple boi is the superior noise reduction device.
The ultimate clandestine tool
there should have been std velocity like 1130fps, usually subsonic from a 16", louder than the 710fps stuff for sure.
Could you test how loud a bag of chips is when trying to eat a snack without being caught?
haha maybe next time
I have the mask and honestly I’d have to say it’s a lot of times too quiet. It doesn’t really leave a report with subsonic ammo.
Is that a bad thing?....
Great video but the one thing missing is the decibel level of subsonic without the suppressor. Or did I somehow miss that? Thanks.
Next. Shoot through the suppressor that had a whisper disc in front. There was another video I can't fobs that showed the whisper disc doesn't in the low 90's. You could actually hear the bolt drop.
Interesting! We will have to take a look into that
Anyone who claims they metered a suppressor below 100 dB was using the wrong sound meter. A level that low is not possible. The firing pin drop would well exceed 100 dB.
Excellent test, thank you.
Thank you!
Should have used the cci standards for sub sonic. Using quiets was silly.
I do wish you tested what most people care about, at the shooter's ear, not at the muzzle.
Very informative. Thank you for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
Should it be assumed that the subsonic ammo was all 710fps? I can shoot my Volquartsen Black Mamba 22/45 with CCI 710fps in by backyard and the round hitting the target is the loudest sound you'll hear - easily passed off as my FX Impact M3 (30 Cal ammo) air rifle. But if I move up to CCI small game ammo @ 970fps (still subsonic), the cops would be here in about 10 minutes. I"m using Silencer Co Warlock 22 as my suppressor.
I don't know if that helps the conversation, but choose your ammo wisely. The downside with that ammo is that the Mamba won't cycle @ 710fps which effectively turns it into a bolt action pistol. Of course it can be modified to handle the smaller charge by changing the spring, but that affects how the pistol handles Hi-Vel ammo. I haven't tried moving up to one of my larger cans to see how it feels/sounds, but this is what I've found so far....
Thanks for the video...an excellent primer on DB levels and the sound they carry.
Thank you for the information!
Nice stuff. I wish you had used some other sub sonic ammo as well to compare. The cci quiet is prob the slowest 22lr round you can get. I would have been interested to hear the cci standard as a point of difference. Just under speed of sound n no crack. Great content cheers :)
Oh and subs with and without the can.
Stay tuned, we have a lot more .22 content coming up
Could you do this with FX air rifles. I'm curious how quiet air rifles are in comparison to 22 LR😁
It would have been interesting to fire a single round in the 1022 so there would be no bolt drop.
I know what's louder than a suppressed 22....A suppressed 22 video with stupid background music. Thanks so much for not doing that! Awesome video I learned alot.
Im so glad someone noticed that we didnt add the music during the shooting.
CCI quite are super slow .22lr they are extra quiet. CCI subsonic are a bit faster and a tiny bit louder.
Always thumbs up 2A content
This is a quiet suppressor. I wish a reading of the "quiet 710 fps" was taken with out a suppressor. This ammo is extremely quiet with out a suppressor. Cci standard velocity 1070fps would have been a good choice for subs as well then move to the 710fps quiet. 1070 is subsonic 710 is subsonic but extremely slow. Good video though.
need decibel comparison for super and sub sonic ammo unsuppressed. See how quiet just shooting subs is comparatively.
we may add that in the next video that we are working on.
I have dumb questions about subsonic ammo. How strict is the speed of sound for a .22 LR? Does it change due to elevation/humidity? Is the existence of the sonic crack commensurate to the mass & shape of the bullet as well, or just its speed?
For example - if the speed of sound is 1116.4 fps, for the sake of argument, it's precisely that threshold that the sonic crack occurs, ignoring any of the conditions above. So if the same bullet is fired with a velocity of 1116.3 fps will a sonic crack not happen at all, or just make less of one? If the same bullet's going 1300fps, will the sonic crack be louder? If so, is it because of the speed AND the bullet's weight/shape, or only the speed?
I'm looking at a pack of 40gr 22LR bullets with a claimed velocity of 1090fps - is the proximity to the speed of sound going to make it louder than any other similar bullet going, say 1000 fps, other than the sound made in the rifle? Is that close enough to the speed of sound that under specific environmental conditions, they might be supersonic?
Sorry for all the questions, I'm still learning obviously. Loved this test, I wish suppressors were legal here in Canadastan....
The sonic barrier is a range, not a hard limit. It is thus called the Transonic Range. Once the sonic barrier has been exceeded, extra velocity does not increase the noise, but the size of the projectile does. ie a 30 cal super is louder than a 22 cal super. FWIW a 30 cal super produces approx 150 dB of flight noise.
The speed of sound changes with air density, which changes with altitude, temperature etc.
@@ExpatriotSilencers I do appreciate this, thank you very much for being so helpful!
Is a 22LR suppressed subsonic usable in a backyard? Asking as i live on a quarter acre section in Greenhithe,Auckland,New Zealand and don't want to frighten the neighbours and end up with the Armed Offenders Squad coming around.
The actual proposed range area is behind the house and shielded by trees from the view of pedestrians and vehicles going up and down Tauhinu Road which is the main road in and out of Greenhithe Village and The Close which is the dead-end street I live on.
functionally yes, legally its questionable. Check your local laws.
No follow up videos as you said.? 😁
How loud is subsonic .22LR ammo WITHOUT A SUPPRESSOR???
its not a weapon!!!
its a platform!!
you got me!!!
uhaaaa
Why you yelling?
hard to explain...
but wish you guys fun!
awesome video, great information
Thank you! We are working on another one that goes into some more details. Stay tuned!
Don’t let the ol alphabet boys see you with a stapler they are going to try to ad it to the NFA 😂
hahaha
I don't know the formula but I know sound increase is not linear. 128 super is way louder than 107 sub.
decibel is a logorithmic scale
Hey great showcase. Just wanted to check, is the Bergara a 16" or a 18" barrel?
I believe it was a 16
So realistically, what distances are these suppressed rounds accurate out to out of the rifle?
It’s the ammunition too
Ammunition can make a difference for sure.
Hearing from a wet suppressor is honestly intimidating a guy could be in a full crowd shooting away and no one would know till people started dropping, just a normal conversation voice is loud.
Very interesting!
Great Video !
Excellent video!
Thank you!
Awesome video guys!
Thank you, it was a fun one to make
You shoot a paintball gun everyday around your home?
haha i used to. Back when i had the space to practice drills in the back yard
Really cool video
Thank you! We hope to do more soon!
11:20 is that an og worr games pump "cocker"?
its a custom half blocked WGP vert feed with a ccm pump kit and a few other parts internally to make it super smooth. I used to be very into paintball back in the day haha
So the balloons didn't have frp
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Why not try some sub sonic balloons. 🎉🎉