The EV that charges at 552 kW using Tesla partner CATL's new batteries
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- The EV that charges at 552 kW using Tesla partner CATL's new batteries
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leaf owner here.
i've been driving 40 years. this little car is the best car i've ever owned. we can travel about almost for free
Not if the energy that you charge with has a cost or pollutes during energy generation
@@joebloggs6131 all nuclear and hydro here in sweden
I have a model 3 now but we did have a leaf. Super reliable and much cheaper to insure (or get crash repairs on) than the Tesla. For a city car they are pretty solid.
❤❤❤❤
@@joebloggs6131dude, stop with these tropes. It's a 2 step process. Go EV AND decarbonize the grid. You can do it in any order. You don't have to wait for one to happen first.
Well that’s the ‘vehicle’ side of things sorted however, it’s the power production and distribution grid that’s putting the kibosh on progress…..
Sounds marvelous, if the price is right could be part of the answer in overcoming reluctance some people have toward EVs. As for myself, the “slow” charging rate of my Model Y Long Range is quite adequate.
That's because you can charge at home.. Think about those who don't have access to home charging.
If history is any indicator the price will not be right at least for a while. Overpromising with batteries is kind of a constant in the industry.
@@edouglasroche just because something has been a norm in the industry such as over promising it doesn't make it a right thing to do. It's akin to lying in order to inflate stock prices and steal investors money
Think we have to unlearn some misunderstanding. Theoretically my car charges at 240 kWh from 10 to 80% in 18 minutes but this usually in real life of a majority of people does not happen often. With about 500 km per charge you mostly do not need. Not so many people in Europe drive that distance in a day! Other argument is that we must rethink energy and electricity away from outdated gas station model to intelligent grids with mostly home or office charging also with V2G to use the car as a source of some income. Then also I charge my EV6 in 10 seconds usually😂😂😂 Do not need 500 kWh soon as I only use the 11 kWh Wallbox and neither would swap batteries. This is all a category error based on the will to replace one slave system by another to form your thinking how something has to be. We just destroyed oil by showing them the stinky finger and travel only to hotels and places offering charging and safe parking in garages. So it’s more interesting than being busy on highways especially in Germany. Than in France, Italy, Spain, Portugal like in middle age you must pay toll taxes for using roads! So we rather spend money on sight seeing, good hotels, drinks (not when driving😊) and food. EV are slowing down life to have more fun than others. EV would be the only way to free us from unsafe and dangerous suppliers of energy. PV, water and wind energy is already there but not with dilapidated big grids and nuklear power plants of gigantic wind parks. We only need smaller and intelligent localized grids to not waste energy like today when they stop production because they have too much natural power?!!😵💫🤔🤮 Reading in all the media we come to the conclusion that everybody owning a car makes only long distance trips of thousands of miles/kilometers 😂 but in fact most cars are used by 1,5 persons makeing not more than 30 km per day!🤔🤓 We really should start thinking what we NEED and not what we want to have and all that towards a fulfilled LIFE.🥰
@@i6power30200 miles in 15 minutes is enough for most people…
In our opinion after 5 years of dealing with Tesla and the supercharger network, with some incremental improvements with version 3 superchargers, we think the focus on Ultra short charging Cycles is misplaced. While this is great, it isn't really necessary for a lot of folks, and frankly by the time we go to the bathroom and get a cup of coffee we've got 5 minutes left in our charge cycles. We don't have enough time to eat any kind of meal so if anything, further improvements just mean we've got to get out and move the car. It's not most of the time helpful. There are times when it is helpful but like I said it's a nice feature but not essential
Totally agree. On a recent Tesla road trip we found that we had to rush back to the car to avoid idle fees rather than sit around and wait for it to charge. The super fast chargers will enable apartment dwellers to own an EV. That will be their advantage. Unless you can charge at home overnight EV’s are still impractical. 10 minute EV charging will change this.
Exactly my talk.
Charging speed is an issue only for folks who DO NOT own an EV.
It does start to become a valuable feature once the deployment of EV's increase at a rate faster than new charger installs. Quicker charge time = less people in line waiting to charge as the EV chargers become more congested.
It will become more relevant though, when adoption gets to the point that charging stations need to support the same sort of throughput that gas stations manage today.
@@petercroft9895 Not really.
You can put many more fast chargers on gas/petrol station that you would typically put pumps and nozzles.
Secondly, not everyone needs to be fast charging all the time. Many people will charge at home and/or at work and/or on slower chargers in town while parked etc.
There was a new Circle K station opened in Norway recently. It had 6 petrol pumps and 24 fast chargers plus 8 slow charger backup.
Agree that battery swapping is an expensive idea that does not really work.
It is working quite well.
Go to China and see with your own eyes. It works. Not saying it’s the best solution though.
It seems to me that battery swapping has the advantage of being able to upgrade your battery as battery technology advances. So, charge by plugging in most of the time, and swap only when you want to upgrade.
It sound weird and already outdated. Maybe for race cars an option, but not for regular (consumer) cars.
Li Auto cars aren't and weren't plug in hybrids. They are and have for a long time been Extended Range Electric Vehicles. An EREV uses a combustion engine purely as a generator and as such there is no connection between the engine and the drivetrain.
That is hardly perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than a PHEV. Architecturally, an EREV is an EV with a range extender bolted on. By topping up the battery the range extender does exactly what is suggested by its name - it extends the range of the vehicle. The turbocharged petrol engines used as range extenders/electrical generators/combustion based battery chargers by Li Auto are reputed to be quite efficient in comparison to similar engines attached to conventional drivetrains.
People who buy Li Auto branded cars either have a need for plenty of range or they suffer from a bit of range anxiety or they expect the worst in terms of the availability of suitable chargers.
We need more details about this battery. We need like a biweekly update.
Why every other week?
Battery swapping could possibly make sense for trucks, and maybe planes, but that's about it. Even shipping could use a 2GWh battery and charge it over the course of a day while it's being loaded. For cars it makes no sense.
It still make sense for cars it’s like going to a food drive-thru. It’s always better than getting into the restaurant and waiting for the food. Raining, snowing etc etc
Game changer! 😊
Sam, you seem to be confusing the Qilin battery with the Condensed Matter battery. The latter is the one with the extraordinary energy density. And, are the battery specs shown in the vlog real or meaningless B-roll? If they are real then the Li Auto Mega does not the use the Qilin battery, Sam. Nanocrystallised LFP != NCM. Sounds more like the new ShenXing battery.
Exciting how battery tech is finally coming good. Is there any info as to what effect these charging speeds have on battery longevity? With current evs we are or have been told to avoid rapid charging on a regular basis.
I wouldn't say finally it's been a steady progression for the last 15 years and they will continue to improve for the next 15. While NCM batteries do show some increased degradation when fast charging, the improved HVAC and software have reduced the degradation where it's really not much to worry about. The current generation of LFP batteries on the other hand show no more degradation fast charging than standard charging, it doesn't seem to affect them at all.
In the past the electrolyte in the battery was a liquid or gel that was semi-permeable; but future looks good with solid materials being utilised meaning charge speeds become almost irrelevant. Smart money is buying a bigger battery than you actually need and only using the 20% to 80% of capacity, therefore pumping in the energy rapidly and being on your way
Turns out they teslas, at least, are barely impacted with regular supercharging vs slower level 2; it’s not really something to worry about.
I’m an expat in Shanghai atm. I traveled in a LEAP C01. It’s the fully electric sedan. The build quality is literal levels above a comparable car. 3 screens in the dash, seat comfort and quality is like a high end 75k plus vehicle. There’s also a camera in the pillar on the driver’s side.
You need that when registration is so expensive and traffic heavy due to congestion almost all the time
These cars don't sell well. Not to regular consumers at least.
But its all dependant on National Power Grids being upgraded and HV and LV substations being built and installed. Which is going to require all the roads being dug up.
And with governments involved, it'll take forever. If you don't agree with me, think about this: Tuberville.
This is bloody great
Ok..ev sales slowed: have vehicle sales overall slowed? Could all of this be because of economic conditions and rising cost of credit?
EV sales did not slow, check your facts
If you charge at 500kw with a 250V source, this is about 2000 amps. How on earth do you provide 2000 amps to a car. What sort of wire do you need from the charging station to the car. What happens to the local grid when a few cars decide to charge at the same time. How big are the wires in the car.
Instead of gas stations we will need nuclear power plants 10 miles.
You obviously didn't hear about MCS, did you?
Megawatt Charging System for trucks. Google it.
It's the EV charging network that will ultimately determine the success of electric vehicles, not the vehicle range. It's a common misconception that EV range is the elephant in the room. It's not. Not at all. The elephant in the room is the EV charging network rollout i.e. the geographic distribution and rate of rollout of EV super chargers, along with the evolution and deployment of fast charging batteries. Battery range will ultimately become a secondary consideration.
Even the charging network becomes less important when people realize they can get level 2 charging from any house with an electric dryer.
What they probably don't show you, is the battery has significant degradation in just a few charge cycles. I'd want to see what the capacity curve looks like after 400-500 charge/discharge cycles. If the cycle life is low, nobody would want a car with a battery isn't proven to last at least 250,000 miles.
We are talking about CATL here. The world's largest battery manufacturer known for their leading battery tech, performance, and reliability.
They also held the most patents in battery technology.
If they screwing around they should be bancrupt long ago, not thriving.
Thank you for this content, Viking.
As always, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure.
Faster than a swap station too!
I wonder when CATL will start selling replacement batteries for older Tesla's straight to the public ?
Wouldn't be much good charging at those speeds if the battery only lasted e.g.100 cycles max. Not sure if they have said?
Considering that fast speed charging is not recommended at a daily basis to improve battery life, despite the systems cars now have to prepare batteries for the charge routine, at a glance this evolution seems relatively redundant on the cross of the EV news we have access all day round. But, ultimately, this evolution is great on another front: Solid state Lithium, Sodium or Aluminium ion batteries won't have those problems relating fast speed charging, as far as we now know. And that will effectively to be the big game-changer technology. It is right at the corner round... But it is not just ready yet. Await some more 2 or 3 years and we will see...
It’s har to keep track how many “game changing” breakthroughs are made in batteries. I guess one or two of them will actually change the game… 🤔
This is crazy. I could not go to the restroom and pick up a Coffee in 10min when i am on a long trip ❤
Its nice to see big investments in important technology. Sadly european car manufacturers were not interestes in this until tesla started kicking their asses.
1.24 you are both right and wrong. It is correct that range and charging times won't ever be mentioned in the future. Those topics will simply disappear. EXCEPT for those who very stupidly bought in early.
Well, I'm an early 2018 M3 adapter, with 150,000 km & I think I'm not stupid. I can still charge my vehicle up to 480km, no problem. Look at all the gas money I've been saving since purchase!
@@rozonoemi9374 You forgot to mention the original cost, it's current value, the type of batteries, the increasing number of laws and concerns regarding electric vehicles, and reports of increasing insurance (2.1 times) the ever-increasing costs of repairs, and the expected icreases in legislation about disposal, which could quite soon that costs of disposal could have a major impact on resale values. And then there is the embarrassment of owning betamax style technology.
Finally something is worth to be called a "game changer".
Before you discount battery charging as unnecessary, let's do a mental experiment. Instead of fitting out a huge parkinglot of superchargers, you have - say 2-4 swap stations, each with - say a capacity / fill of 5-10 such batteries... Now it takes 4 minutes to swap out a batttery, and in 5-20 minutes, that same battery can be put into a new car fully charged. It would increase the throughput of the charging "station" to aproximately that of a gas station of today. You fill up, go into the shop, buy a drink - easily 10 minutes without a queue. You would have to build out a lower charge capacity, as only the swap station needs to be powered instead of each supercharger individually. Looks like the superior solution to me in every way.
How many cycles does it achieve at peak charging?
Excellent question.
I've definitely felt like Tesla should be installing superchargers today capable of up to 650kW to be future proof. Today almost all vehicles have less than 120kWh, but I'm sure in the near future vans and pickups and trucks will have batteries double the capacity (but still the same weight/size) as today's batteries (a pickup with 350mi of range will have to charge every 175mi when towing a camper. Many people will want 350mi at least with the camper).
Technology moves forward. Only took a decade to go from horse to car. Now we go ICE to EV in a decade. Transformative electrification. Conestoga wagons to the moon shots in one lifetime.
They've been selling Tesla Cars for 15 years
I still hope Tesla will make trailers with regenerative braking and speeding up. This battery would be ideal for it, even with a small battery
I have charging my car with standard 7kw for more than a year lol. 22kw is a luxury to me as it requires 3 phases, and public chargers are monopolized by 1 big company (similar to Tesla )
Afternoon mate
Just a fun fact: A 5C battery means you can go through 5 full charging cycles in one hour, so each cycle takes only 12 minutes. If we come across 6C batteries next time, then we'll know their charging time will be reduced to 10 minutes.
I'm all about electric vehicles but this new high speed charging means more CO2 emissions because the reason for their existence was to curb that thus make gas vehicles more future proof because they are light and net zero.
BS. Most EV fast charging facilities use 100% renewable energy.
Here in Oz, 1/3 of all homes have roof top solar pv fitted. Most EV charging events are at home, and most EV owners here in Oz charge from their own rooftop solar.
I like hearing about lithium ion batteries because usually the hype turns out to be true. The lithium ion battery is very solid and real.
Jim Farley, you can fix your F-150 Lightning slow charging issues.
Most charging session is ~30% to 80%. This makes everything charging 5~7 mins, no longer compare to pumping gas at gas station 😳
Hey Aussie Lozzy, finally something positive and sensible. Taking some new medication?
I drove a Tesla Model 3 and it's already too much. That massive screen was distracting, and FSD wasn't that fun, anyway. I learned that I like to drive, to steer, indicate, and modulate pedals. I just want an EV without all that AI crap, for cheaper. High quality, large capacity battery with reasonable charging rate and I'll be sold on that.
Charging with that high power is nice to have for trucks but for personal cars totally useless: Even with a 800V battery technique this means 690A current flow which either means thick, bulky cables which are not nice to be handeled or thinner cables with water cooling. In the latter case this also means high losses. The latter will already be quite high (I assume 20% or more total loss) and it is likey that the battery and all power electronics heat up significantly which again limits the energy transfer.
Of course, charging a 100kWh battery within about 15 mins is quite an argument but one still needs the acceptance of grid owner to run such loads every other hour for just a few minutes or there is a backup battery in the grid.
The problem with new battery technology is that it hasn't been mass-tested by the public to discover how safe it is and whether it loses its storage capacity after a few years.
So anybody buying one of these may end up with a miraculously fast wonder battery, or a dangerous or gutless turkey.
Will it be a standard price, or would we pay a fat premium to buy this charging speed?
The other downside is that you can't buy one at all yet. Promises of new miracle products 'next year' tend to experience long delays.
But, it sounds like good news.
Good luck in getting the UK Government to build thousands of 600 kw chargers, though. The charging network here is chaotic and unreliable with ridiculously complex pricing.
How many cycles??
A couple of times, probably...and then the thing starts smoking...time to run away from it. Keep running.
Cheers mate
Only issue is. Realistically imagine 10 cars all plugging in 5000kw of load? Lol come on. That's the real limitation not happening anytime soon.
THE GREATEST PATH TO KEEP FUTURE UPGRADED BATTERIES OUT OF THE MARKET IS TO NOT BUILD THE INFASTRUCTURE TO CHARGE THEM.. WHICH IS TESLAS BEST WEAPON AGAINST THE FUTURE BATTERY COMPETITION
Therefore swappable batteries is the right way to go.
Therefore, there's a market opportunity for someone to build the Super-duperCharger network. Isn't that how a free market economy is supposed to work?
If CATL can mass manufacture this battery and maintain low cost it will accelerate EV adoption massively. Now does CATL license this tech to Panasonic or Tesla for manufacturing in the US; I believe this is the big question?
battery swapping still has a lot of advantages in that batteries can be charged more slowly so the electrical needs of the charging station are less. Also, it makes resale of the cars easier since the battery is taken out of it. And a company can guarantee that the battery was charged with all green energy and the battery perhaps inspected for defects. I don't think cars where the battery is totally unmovable is a good idea.
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I wonder (as I am not qualified to know) what the rare mineral cost is for this new cell v existing, if less then it is truly a great step forward.
I am a student pilot, and I think that electric powered airplanes still have some issues to be resolved 1. Batteries are heavy, and that is a problem because aviation is a weigh sensitive application for batteries 2. Batteries need to keep their charge at low temperatures because the atmosphere becomes colder at higher altitudes, which bateries are infamously bad at 3. The FAA is very cautious when it comes to new technologies, because it is a safety conscious industry
The battery and the motor both generate heat that is used to keep the battery at the optimum temperature in cold air.
Flying schools all around the world are buying electric planes.
Mayday, mayday, battery fire at 20,000 feet 😮.
@nordic5490 there are some, but flight time is limited to 45 minutes and it is fairly small plane
@@AleksandrPodyachev and, that is with much older battery tech now. The recent solar car race here in Oz last week, some cars were using new batteries that a are half the weight. We will see lighter commercial batterys soon.
@@AleksandrPodyachev Aren't these things called 'drones'?
Charging to 90% in under 10 minutes will be a game changer… until there charging is a HUGE catch of EVs
Until you own one and charge regularly on road trips without issue at a fraction of the cost, you can’t have an opinion. Charging is not a HUGGGGEEEEEE catch on any level.
@@benjaminwinrow9620 You wait until there's another 20 million EVs trying to charge there cars.
@@benjaminwinrow9620 what a 🤡
Ok so the problem I have with all of these super fast chargers, how do they deal with the heat when transferring this much energy in a short period of time and as the vehicle gets older what safe guards do they have to stop the batteries from getting too hot as heat is being generated so the cables and battery need to be cooled and monitored so as not to be dangerous as they are still lithium chemistry batteries and the LFP still has the potential to combust (megapack fire in Qld used LFP).
Dreaming that Testa will offer this kind of battery next year. Change my mind 😜
Well better change your mind because it won’t happen. They first need 800v architecture. It’s not only the battery that allow that charging speed. They also like cheap stuffs and this battery is not cheap, it’s at least 5 to 10% more expensive than previous
@@tonypaca3015 cybertruck can, why not model 3 or y remodeled?
@@franetimalaga i think because it would involve a redesign. prices would rise a lot again
Will it charge to 100% with no battery degradation?
Batteries will always degrade...
I wonder what the longevity of these batteries are even though they are LFP based.
At least 3500 cycles or up to 7000
@@joebloggs6131 Thanks! Outstanding but seemingly less than the 10,000 cycles current LFP are able to get.
@@nickmcconnell1291
10,000? That's every day for over 27 years... dude the other parts of the car will be cactus before the battery gives up, and you can't use the battery for anything else
@@joebloggs6131 Actually 10,000 cycles is what CATL's and BYD's regular LFP batteries were getting. They are that good.
The batteries are being yanked by several companies and used in home electrical storage at a savings, even after the life of the car. Finally recycled.
@@joebloggs6131LFP is rated for 3-5000 cycles before dropping below 80% capacity. As age hits cells will go bad. Problem with a big battery pack is if one cells go out. The whole unit wont work.
I think the whole idea of battery swapping is way too complicated for cars And what happens if it doesn't work out in the future? Do you really own the battery? so what happens if the Company goes bankrupt? are you left with a car without a battery?
Whenever you talk about new battery tech I'd like to hear about cycle life along with the other specs. That's very important.
If Tesla puts this battery in all their cars, could we use the Tesla superchargers at 250 kw full power the whole charge, if so, we could keep all these chargers and just add new chargers at 350 or five
This is a key point. The peak charge number matters but the ability to maintain high charge rates is a game changer without the need for huge infrastructure updates or additional stops to stay in the meat of the charging curve. If i could maintain 250kw 0-100% would be under 20 minutes.
Charging doesn't work like that. Imagine all the wiring and connections within the battery of where the energy goes... as it reaches ~80% SOC, there are less places that energy can go, so the charging rate has to drop. As energy absorption happens, the % of charge can increase 80-100% but that takes time to fill the battery completely.
Smart money is to hold back until a great, long range battery exists where you only need the kWh between 20% SOC and 80% SOC. You can drive within those no issues and rapid charge back to 80% whenever. You also have 20% up your sleeve if you need to make it to a charger in time
Using "Tesla Partner" Catls new battery 😂😂 really viking😂
The vast majority of people charge their battery overnight, so charging speed is not a real issue in the first place. The vast majority of people do not take road trips on a regular basis either. These a just talking points for the EV haters, but faster speeds like these will make those talking points irrelevant, which is good.
Doesn’t matter if its at night, there’s street lights too?🤣
This has already been discussed and wont work
The only problem is a service station will have to be next door to a power substation so that is 3000 kw per hour per charge point therefore 10 charge points 30,000. Kw per hr that is enough power for 3000 small houses That for 1 service station to charge EV . We need about 5000 new power stations to power EV
Just put up a wind turbine above the charging station.
Why was my comment deleted, it was supported with sources and actually had facts.
EDF has a 4.5 mile long 10MW cable, this is ample power to charge 100s of EVs simultaneously.
A new Substation isn't needed.
It takes 12kwhs to refine oil in to a gallon of fuel and then there's the fuel cost to transport it with an inefficient semi.
it makes nothing but sense to go EV and this tech in the video shows how amazing this transport revolution is going to be!
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt This is definitely true, you back that up with a decent sized battery and we're sorted for one charging station.
Where does this leave the 4680 battery? Seems like old tech before it’s even come out of the gate.
That's the whole problem with EVs, they are quickly outdated. That's why second hand EV's don't sell...money pits XXL if you ask me.
Muskies 4680 was a hype train from the very first announcement. A temporary sugar hit for the TSLA, stock price.
Most Tesla evs made today have Chinese made LFP batteries.
Another monthly game changer.
That will shock the entire car industry...ok sorry, wrong channel...
I hope the engine output is at least 552KW too.
kW
@lighthousesaunders7242 I guess your a profesional grammer and spelling fixor. not all heros wear capes
Ok. When does charge time get down to 5 minutes or less?
When will you be satisfied ? 2min charging, 1min ?
90% of all EV charging events in the US are at home. Ie, charge over night. Time used = 0 mins.
Tesla can’t charge at that rate as not 800v architecture. Kia , ford , vw and Toyota can . Let it be known though CATl supplies and is PARTNERED with ALL CAR MANUFACTURERS not just Tesla !!!!! It only supplies teslas China and sometimes German factory . I feel sorry for the Americans who get the Tesla 4680 battery in their model y or 3 or when it comes to
Market the cbt . It’s the worst battery on the market by a good margin
Gudday mate for the last hydrogen is not th future
It's 522 kWh by the way. All the global media got it wrong and everybody copied and pasted the 552 kWh error from one to the other.
Interesting that Li's first BEV is a van. China isn't known for big families.
It’s china, they are going after fleet and taxi market I bet. More than one auto company made it big that way
it now is. kids are the future.
@@haoruchen4216 True. They have a demographic crisis looming and the CPC are incentivising big families...a 180 degree shift from what they were in the 1970s
The company's target is consistently urban families, so it would make sense to put MVP first.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 its not true, look at the data
Your seeing history being written. Talk about ev altering. Wow. Hope costs are at affordable levels.
Hahaha 😂
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10 min or less it's to fast from the user point of view IMO. We gonna go back to wait for the car , like with an ICE car, instead of doing anyrhing else while it charges?
80% of what ? If the car battery is the same size as my cellphone then Im not impressed
All the batteries seem to have a theoritical capacity of 500kwh/kg. The relevant bit is What is the Current, being produced at in production numbers battery. What cost? Etc.
Almost all battery claims lack one or more critial metrics or claim "potential" that isn't realized.
Energy Density at Cell level (not pack level)
Power Density (charge rate, actual vs peak)
Life in cycles
Cost at Cell level wh/kg (not by volume). BS claims tend to use volume.
Expected mass production date (enough to support at least 1000 cars/week).
Failure to disclose any of these means another nebulous claim.
Remember the air/metal batteries that had fantastic ED but had to be swapped at undisclosed cost?
Remember the H2 foil roll that had to be swapped (again, undisclosed cost)?
Both were worthless, but otherwise had great numbers.
That said... thanks for keeping us in the loop.
Here... the question is What is Energy Density ("Theoretical" being years or decades away).
For example: Lockheed had a compact fusion reactor only 5 years away.... 3 years ago with no peep on progress. (Active 2010-2019 before all updates stopped)
The question here is what is the current, mass producible energy density and is it still cheap? When can we expect general market entry (I expect Tesla would want them)?
Jai Hinduja. Future EV batteries will come from our safe Supply chain.
If this is real , Toyota is well and truly fooooooooooookd 😂
toyota will just buy from catl, tesla better start put in orders or they will be foooked
Everyone gets thrilled by high numbers but they need swap batteries soon as they wear out fast lol. The context is needed
Maybe I missed it… how is this achieved? …
Not, these are just fairy tails...promises that never will be realised. at least not for an affordable price.
Battery swapping is the future. The wattage necessary for fast charging is just too high and inefficient to do in large scale. It is just physics.
Swapping stations allow for charging with lower wattage without increased waiting times for drivers. It also allows for better battery maintenance and recycling.
Who wants to own their own battery, when you can just cheaply swap them when they are empty, damaged or old.
Nio is on the right track in my opinion.
The battery swapping idea does not fit the need from regular consumers. For taxi drivers, etc. it could be a good idea.
Wayyy too much hype here. It's possible to charge batteries really quickly - if you don't mind shortening their lives. Keeping temperatures reasonable during charging is also an issue. I think it's way to early to draw any conclusions about this battery tech until there is hard, verified data.
finaly EVs might start to stop sucking, TOYOTA build a tacoma pickup with these batteries, Im waiting to through my money at you
You seem to believe any old lie you read there are no chargers on earth capable of this
Li Auto will install 3,000 fast chargers with an output of 522 kW in China in two years
Uh tesla has the megachargers installed at the cali Pepsi depot for years now doing 750kws.
And recharging the semi 10-80% in 30mins or less.
Imagine if ELON had the Imagination and Technology to build E.V. CHARGERS of the Future and not just the present THEN his Charging Stations would be relevant
This is stupid. Not a breakthrough. Why? Cause there are ZERO chargers that can charge at this rate. AND if you COULD charge at this rate, you would DESTROY your battery pretty quickly.
what does it have to do with tesla? i am getting tired of these non stop tesla priases day in day out. everyone interested in ev knows catl!
also, the charging stations that can take advantage of these batteries are few and far between, while these batteries are very expensive. the obsession with charging speed is misplaced. the availability of chargers eveeywhere will render charging speed a none issue.
Duh
NIO battery replacement system would become obsolete with these charging speeds. $Billion anachronism?
If people were willing to pay for the necessary power grid in order to deliver that kind of wattage at scale, maybe.
In the real world, NIO is on the right track.
The battery replacement system is already obsolete. It simply doesn't meet the needs of regular consumers.
@@stefan2796 Care to explain how is that so? Battery swapping like NIO is doing allows to both swap and/or charge. So you get the best of both worlds. There are many other advantages to society and economy at large to have a dedicated service provider for these huge batteries.
How is it convenient for anyone to buy a battery? Besides, swapping batteries allows you to benefit from the latest battery technology without having to waste a perfectly good car.
You can Really Know Tesla is getting these NEXT GEN BATTERIES When they BUILD Chargers to charge them and as OF NOW CRICKETS.
Are you battling with letter cases? Tricky, we know.
@@lighthousesaunders7242 you must have been a Hall.Monitor in School
It charges at 552 kWh but it lasts only 1 week due to severe battery degradation. LOL
The typical petrol car takes about a minute to fill tank say 55 litres x 8.9 = 489.5 converted into KW x by 60 = 29,370 KW in a hour! when battery tech gets even halfway to this then we are making progress.
Can't fill up your petrol car while you sleep for FREE though now can ya? I can and have for 3+year's now and over 26,000 emissions free miles.
What exactly are you trying to calculate here?
It takes 12kwhs of electricity to refine 1 gallon of fuel, 55 litres is 12.09Gallons, on average you get 39.9 miles to a gallon of fuel, so overall that tank of fuel would get you 482.39 miles, if you can put it in the vehicle without transporting it to a fuel station.
The average EV gets about 4.5 miles per kwh, 12kwhsX 12.09 gallons of fuel is 145KWHs, this means the average EV can go for 652.5 miles on that much energy.
If we also factor in the cost of transporting that fuel from an energy perspective we're look at about 20kwhs per gallon, times that by 12.09 you get 1088.1 miles from an EV using that power.
We're already at a point where EVs can have that, especially with CATLs ultra dense battery, that much capacity to equal your 55 litres of fuel will be in EVs in the next 12 months.
Cost will be there by 2025 or 2026.
It's dangerous to drive for more than 3 hours without rest, the capacity is already there to handle that and the ability to put 600 miles of range in the car within 15 minutes is there with this tech from CATL, no need to take hours out of your life while you hold your hand on a fuel gun.
It certainly takes more than a minute to put 55 litres of fuel in a car, it's more like 5 minutes to fill up that much, same for Diesel, which you're waiting around to do, whereas you plug in an EV in seconds and start the process, while you take a break.
Soon you'll just drive over a wireless charging pad or over a piece of road that charges while you drive.
EVs are way more convenient.
@@MrSec84 bravo I say! 👍🏻😎
@@MrSec84 look up gas pumps on wikipedia it says they deliver up to 50 litres a minute. I timed myself filling up my diesel tank and I put in over 50 litres in a minute. If your filling station takes 5 minutes there is something wrong with there pumps.
@@4literv6 With the chance of burning your house down at night.
I think Tesla is a it’s first tipping point. The have the real good Model Y, the slightly outdated Model 3 (no hatch, no space on the backseats) and relatively small numbers of Model S and X (60000/a). Tesla is a one trick pony. Roadster was hot air, CT can not fulfill the expectations. They already cancelled Giga Mexico, Model 2 is nowhere near. The tensions between the US and China doesn’t make it easier. Building quality in the US plants is still poor, even after 10 years. Only Americans buy these crap. FSD still not operational. Competition is on par with Tesla, believe it or not.
I believe Tesla has been a "hare" on the EV industry. They have started the thing, they developed it "to the nines", they pushed hard for competition... So, now: Are they at prime time point for when the legacies are finally ready to bring the true real thing to the masses? I don't believe so! They don't have, and likely they'll never have alone on themselves, the industrial infrastructure for a Model 2. They don't have even the infrastructure for the ~30k Model 3 that has never seen the light of the day... Tesla, if not absorbed by one of the "biggies", either way US or EU wise, will need to settle itself as a tentatively prestige car builder out there. They'll need to improve their quality for EU standards, on that they're working on Germany... But, does it suffix at just a single factory in Germany? Perhaps they'll need to rethink what they really want over time. At least Musk is now more thinking like a CEO than like just another philanthropic lunatic out there like a few years ago. That may suffix for them to survive relatively well, but don't think on them as the big "EV of the people" builder. Stellantis just has launched their brand new Citroen E-C3 on the EUR 23k-28k range segment. Not cheap by any means, but affordable enough to grant them the title of next years EV of the year, both in press prices and most importantly, on unities actually sold! For the first of perhaps too many years, Tesla won't have the best selling EV in Europe, and that is only the bare beginning.
Talk is cheap.