UNDERSTANDING Send Effect Channels
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2019
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UNDERSTANDING Send Effect Channels
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Hey chris you missed out on an important factor. When using fx channels you usually want to keep your "mix" parameter at 100% on the effect, otherwise you'd be turning some of the dry signal up instead of just the effect itself.
THANK U, this is exactly what I was looking for! thank u very much!
Thank you, Chris! You confirmed my idea of mixing. Nice explained.
Thanks Chris your explanation is so simple to follow it helps me a lot
I'd like to react to the comment :). If you want to use ONE reverb, he's probably right. But while I often do this for drums, I'm doing that almost never for vocals, guitars, etc. Often I use even several reverbs on one instrument / track. Maybe a large reverb for the chorus and just a room on the verse, or vice versa.
Thanks Chris and I think you're absolutely right on that. I just remembered, when I used an LXP1 on vocals and that didn't feel as a restriction back in the day.
Thanks for your comment Peter :-)
Agreed: Back in the day, especially on live PA mixing consoles, where you were lucky to get 2 aux sends; one for monitor levels and , one - maybe two - for FX sends, you'd pick your most suitable reverb setting from your multi-FX box, and apply where necessay via the aux sends of each channel. But, with modern DAWs, we can chuck groups, FX sends and Insert FX in all over the show, using multiple reverbs, multiple delays to build a sonic landscape and environment for the track to work in. As soon as automation became something that your average Joe could afford, and wasn't simply the preserve of those with multi-thousand pound SSLs, well, your average Joe and a decent computer could enter the realm of professional mix engineers for a fraction of the price - I love today's technology, so let's use it.
Hey Chris! Thanks for all you do. Do you have a tutorial showing how you did those vocal throws with the lush reverb. I'll appreciate. Thanks!
Hi. Good simple explanation!. I will add the role of pre and post fader impact on the FX channel.
Thanks for this tutorial video.
Hey Chris, thanx for all of the knowledge, I have embraced it and my production is now all pro .
You're more than welcome!
Good info thanks. Now I know exactly what it does.
Thanks Chris another well informed tutorial.
You're welcome!
merci Chris! c'est vraiment très bien expliqué, et cela m'a bcp aidée! toutes tes vidéos sont vraiment top!! merci merci!
hi there, this was a great video but I've got a question. Is for example my vocal bus limited to 8 send effect slots or can I get more than 8. I've got the issue that I use Reverb and delays and for each of them a side chain compression which both take away a slots of all possible 8 send effects and then I have less free send slots to use. Is it possible to route the vocal bus to another group/bus to use 8 more send slots or are they affected by the sends that I used on the bus before. I'm looking forward to hear from you and get some help, thanks a lot! Kind regards, Nick
Hi Chris can you please explain why two effect reverb channels for drums? Thank you.
Hi Chris is learned so much during The Lockdown thank you
Hi Chris, thanks again for your efforts about learning how to do our stuff much better...
I never lose an episode from you.
Keep up the great work and...ciao (that was a nice surprise in the video, considering I'm Italian) ;-)
That's probably the only Italian word I know LOL! You rock my friend!
GREAT VIDEO!!!! Thank you SO MUCH, Chris!
I would LOVE a video on strategies for tracking vocalists during a session... from some of the more major signal chain considerations to mic placement to singer staying in place vs working the mic etc. etc. etc.
Great suggestion, I will add this one to my topic list!
Hi Chris, excellent as always, thanks ever so much!! BTW: Do you prefer the Pan Law -3dB over Equal Power? If so, I'd like to know why. ;-) Cheers, Frank
Hi Chris! Thanks so much for this great tutorial. 🙏🏽
There is still one question: Is there a way to re-order the sends in the tracks in Cubase? I could not find anything to this particular issue.
f.e. if I have a send for a reverb and another one for parallel-compression. From my point of view it makes sense to first send the signal-copy to the par-compression and then to the reverb. But if I had set it the other way round I could not find any solution to re-order these sends except tedious copy - delete - paste etc.
Thx! F.
Hey Chris, thx for this tutorial, really helpful.
What are you doing when you want to put the vocal and fx channel together to process and glue them? Sadly cubase prevents me from routing fx channels to groups :(
Great video, be very aware of people who tell you there's only one way to do things. That's almost never true in life and indicates someone who is very shortsighted.
Thank you...🙋♂
Another great video! Thanks!
You're welcome!
Thank u sir ❤️ love from sri lanka
are the FX channels routed directly to the master out or do they go to the group bus of the applied audio tracks?
You are the best, thanks man.
Thanks man!
What about using Groups for source track to effects track from a Preset Track e.g. hiphop master track preset. Is there a place to share Track Presets from using certain plugins like Waves, etc., made by Masters and sound designers?
Great vids Chris, newbie question, i cant get my head around this one, I have my lead vox trak, I have an fx channel on it, fx is reverb, but how do i add more vst's onto the same fx channel so that i can control individual fx sends going to the vox trak on the one single fx channel? please advise, thank you. CB 8
nicely explained
Thank you 😃
So you use the fx return for the amount of reverb you want?
Should we use send return channel in mono or stereo?
Hi Chris, I appear to be doing as you say but the effects ch fader is functioning as a volume control not as a effects control, what am I doing wrong?
Great tutorial
My question does it create a double signal? The original signal plus the send effect signal combined or just like a single track? Will it fatten up the signal like two tracks?
Good, now I know that it's better to have your individual workflow with send effects. I think another point why it may be benefitial to implement FX channels in mixing is that you limit the variation of different reverb settings which leads to a more natural sound instead of using 10 different reverbs which may mess the mix up.
I have the super simple question. When you selected the verb channel to send your dry vocals to what input was it before you labeled it verb. I have a 4 channel interface with an additional 5 and 6 line input. I hoped explained that right! Great tutorial by the way!
Bonjours Chris je suis nouveau dans le domaine ,je mixe avec cubase Artist et j’aime beaucoup tes tutoriel, j’ai une question ,pour se qui est des effect send j’ai toujours de la difficulté a savoir si je doit utiliser post or pre fader send ,spécifiquement pour le drum parce que je suis batteur.
Merci.
Martin
Great video. Thank you. :)
I noticed that at above -10db your faders level display turned from the typical green to dark blue, is that an option in the preferences?
Thank you.
Check this older video where I talk about gain staging and also how to change the colors on your channel's meters ua-cam.com/video/6DVsO0-7lIM/v-deo.html
Hi Chris, how would you send to multiple fx returns via a single send on a channel? It’s very easy in Protools. The bussing doesn’t seem to work in such a customisable fashion. 🙏
Who is that singing Fly Me To The Moon? Is that out? How can I get that audio?
so that presonus fader works well with cubase 10? Is there anything special for a PC user that would also need to be purchased for that to work or is it pretty much plug in play? great video
@[Tim Adams] I use the same old presonous faderport (on cubase 8 pro on win10) , work fine, but you have to move the rigth dll library from the wrong position of the installer, to another folder of shared components, and you have to push shift and mute botton first, everytime you load cubase. Touch botton automation can work as you expext with a workaround with a general remote trick.
Faderport work also as a controller of Vegas, if you have for video montage.
Hi, i want to send multiple tracks with different pre-delays to a single reverb channel making them sound like they are in different spots in the same room. This way i don`t have to load multiple reverbs in Cubase for that purpose. The only way i seem to do this is by duplicating a track, set the track output to "no bus", adjusting the pre-delay on this channel and send the audio straight to the reverb. Is there a more convenient way doing this?
Hey Chris, i need help,
if i make a send track with a effect on it, the main track goes harder in volume, why is that?
how to mix delay chorus phaser reverb all that stuf for send tracks at the same volume with the main track i want the effect for
i try to deplicate the track make the second with the delay on the insert track but also here is a volume change, why is that?
how to avoid that, everybody say all that stuff on send tracks but this makes it allways out of balance,,, why?
how to mix with the same volumes on send tracks
i am really confused by that, please help thanks in advance Chris
Hey, Chris! Can You help me to understand, how can I create more than 8 send channels in Cubase 10.5 for sidechaining?
Great video as always. I don't know if you've covered this. I have had enough of plugins and want to use an external quality channel strip (or two) for both tracking and mixing. I understand I must print the channel after I have tweaked it. I would also like to use Cubase to avoid patching physically each time I want to track.
I also am considering Cranborne with a few 500 units, Mic Pre, compressor and EQ. I believe I can print these without actually manually recording and also the Cranborne will allow me patch without unplugging and plugging back in.
I'd love a tutorial on these related subjects.
I made a video on how to use analog gear in Cubase when mixing ua-cam.com/video/ZCdOp4JpY18/v-deo.html Hope that helps
GOOD CHRIS AND this is my next subject that i am going to do in my channel for the signal flow series and this will help me to focus the idea .also one thing I don not like in send part is that we are always sending processed signal . what is your opinion in this .
Usually, I like to send a processed signal to my send FX but it will happen that I do otherwise if I'm looking on a specific tone that an unprocessed signal will give me. But in general, I process a track to get a better sounding signal, so that's why I "send" that signal to my send fx most of the time
Sooooo, if I put all of my drums into a group and then put a reverb on that track, wouldn't it pretty much be the same? Or is there even more benefit to do it this way... like being about to send the reverb effect itself to a different speaker?
This is what I do...didn’t know there was another option tbh
Hi, I like your videos and your "How To" explanation on different topics ... I can't find any videos on "How To" save all the GROUP CHANNEL FX SENDS as a preset to load into another project. I'm using Cubase 10 Pro. Thanks!
I'll make a video on this topic soon!
Hi Chris. Great channel. I once asked you about External Sidechain for Dynamic EQ with the Fabfilter ProQ3. Only now I have the ProQ3 version 3.11 but I do not have the trigger to activate the Side chain on the top of the window. How is this possible. I have Cubase 10 (10.0.20)
You're talking about the Cubase Side-Chain feature or the ProQ3 internal Side-chain?
On an unrelated note, I wish they'd fix the fact that send panning isn't retained upon rendering a track.
I'm on 9.5 though. Is this still the case with 10..?
4:55 the main reason for "sharing FX" is when you have a group of instruments you want to process "as one thing" for instance a Choir of 8 voices - you obivously do not want 8 different reverbs with different EQs / tails for the 8 voices.
But I do find sometimes reaching for a Plate Reverb that I have already set up for vocal and put it on a guitar just out of being lazy.
But then the big question is to which channels to route the FX - obviously you want to route the vocal reverb to your vocal submix and you do not want any guitar turning up there. To get to that stage (separate FX channels) quickly after "lazily sharing" you can just select the FX track and duplicate it, then reroute its output to the guitar group and finally reroute all sends on the guitars to that instance of FX for a cleaner experience.
I used to route FX tracks directly to master but it's a bad idea because you will upset the balance if you automate the vocal submix - so FX should be routed to the respective submix groups (vox, guit, keys etc.). The worst thing that can happen is that your FX are routed to the Stereo Out (and not to your master where you presumably have summing compression)
I keep my FX channels routed in the same instrument submix but some will create a Submix for all FX channels, which also is not a bad idea.
Thanks for this. Question: what is the significance of having the R or W selected while editing and finishing song tracks?
That is the Automation READ and Write.
Great video as usual :)
Thanks!
So that means this method will not change the DRY vocals. It will have another WET reverb channel created to blend with to DRY vocal to avoid the vocal sounding too far away if i were to put the reverb on the DRY vocal track itself right?
Exactly!
Definitely notice the added warmth and clarity - I like the way the bass jumps out slightly after you turned on CTC-1 on the master buss. Thank you so much for showing us how you use the S1 console emulator. I like the rhythm and the arrangement too!
I don't know what you're talking about, never made a video using the S1 console... you commented on the wrong video ;-)
Sorry, yes that comment was meant for another channel. Sorry about that! Really enjoy your videos though/
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Hey Chris. Thanks for explaining this.
Now the other day I was experimenting with 2 stompboxes. A delay and reverb that I connected to my analog mixer using the inserts. Only this time I interconnected the two boxes with eachother with the out and inputs while I used two insertcables to connect each box to it's own channel. So in the end you get two channels with their own effect but because you interconnect the two effects with eachother and you play an instrument that is connected to one of the two channels you also get the wet sound coming from one and the dry from another.
It is comparable with parallel compression but then with effects instead of a compressor.
Maybe this is worth a video on how to set this up in Cubase?
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If I'm understanding you correctly, this would only work if the pedals had stereo outputs, but you didn't say that was the case. If you meant something else, would you mind clarifying? I like weird ideas like this, so I really want to be sure I understand it as you used it. Thanks!
@@robcerasuolo9207 Hey Rob.
The stompboxes I used are in stereo. I used the Ventris reverb and Nemesis delay from Source Audio.
You take two mono channels that have inserts and two insert cables.
On the second channel I used a Mopho Keys as a soundsource connected with an XLR socket to the mixer. (Only used one output on the mopho)
You need to plug in both insert send cables on the Reverb's left and right input and the return cables in the delay left and right output's.
The reverb and delay themselves are then connected with eachother using simple trs cables.
If you then play a sequence on the Mopho (or any other soundsource) you can hear the effect path on channel 1 (which has no soundsource connected) and the source path on channel 2.
If you adjust both faders you will find a sweet spot.
You also can connect a second soundsource on channel 1 (which I also tried with a Korg Minilogue) and have two dry soundsources going over the effect paths.
Worth a try!
I like this kind of happy accidents.
Grtz Ivan
Hi Chris. I have a question about send effect channels in Cubase.
If I pan a channel and use send then the effect channel/plug-in doesn't preserve the panning, (this happens with both mono and stereo tracks).
If I route the channel to a group channel then the stereo/panning is preserved.
I noticed this as I've been experimenting with Brauerization compression where the channel strip is routed to a dummy bus and the channel signal is routed 100% through the send channel. The video tutorials I have watched on the Brauerization technique are done using Pro-Tools, where the channel send stereo signal can be unlinked and the stereo image is preserved.
Can this unlinking be achieved in Cubase, or if not, then is there any way to preserve the stereo field or the channel panning when it runs through the effects (compressors)?
Can you send me the link to this video? I will check it out for sure :-)
For your Panning Send issue, check this video ua-cam.com/video/_mGth8rjKv4/v-deo.html I show you how you can LINK the panning with the channel
This is the video I watched on Brauerizing ITB. Specifically the section @ 2.45 where he uses FMP (Follow Main Pan) setting in the Pro-Tools channel send output menu.
Thanks for the tip on linking the send panning to the channel panning. That will help me with my mono tracks. What I was having difficulty with was when I was using a stereo track (say a stereo synth output with stereo separation) … when I use sends in Cubase from the stereo channel to the send channel and put a stereo compressor on the send channel I was finding that the send out from the send channel had lost the stereo separation that was on the original channel.
In the link to the video I posted in reply to your earlier comment @ 6.30 it shows the unlinking of the stereo compressor channels. Now I have some compressors (like the Slate Mu that can be unlinked, but plenty of my compressor plug-ins don't have that feature (unlink channels) and I'm not sure if the unlinking in the menu bar of the plug-ins shown in the video is a pro-tools feature, but I haven't found that option in Cubase.
I just realised on checking back here that I hadn't included a link to the video I referenced. (Doh!)
here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/Btj8WA33Dwc/v-deo.html
On my mix console, I cannot adjust the volume in any channel. What am I doing wrong?
What do you mean? Not able to adjust the channel's Faders?
What’s the pros and cons of using send effect channels vs using send effects to send the dry signal to the effects directly from within the source channel?
If you got multiple tracks that is using that same fx track that has the reverb on it. Messing with the levels on the fx channel will also effect all the other tracks as well,which is not good .its better to use the send levels on the dry tracks to taste.and leave the fx track level 100
When a send effect channel is used by multiple channels, won’t their wet signals be mixed, thus making it impossible to do different stuff with the wet signals of specific channels?
I do both, sometimes I will use an fx directly on the source track as an insert but most of the time I will use a Send to an FX Channel, especially if my source track is Mono and I want a Stereo FX like Reverb and Delay. Another advantage of using a Send FX Channel is that I can EQ the FX channel seperately that the sourse track
Possibly silly question, unrelated to the topic: do you make the reverb fully wet, or do you ever use some amount of dry in the signal; and if you do, what would be a good circumstance or two to do so? I'm curious, cuz I always thought it should be 100% wet on the effect, and yet a few people seemed to use some dry, while others never say. I can't imagine why someone wouldn't use 100% wet, but then again, I'm still learning, so I figured I'd better ask. Thanks!
Hey Rob, If I use reverb on an FX channel (as a Send FX), I will keep the reverb 100% wet...If I use reverb as an Insert on an audio track, now I will adjust the Dry/Wet knob for the perfect balance. Hope that helps!
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Yep, it confirms that I was thinking about it correctly--always a good feeling. 👍😏✔ Thanks!
Please show how to send zero/low latency monitoring for vocalists WITH reverb.
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Are the send inserts pre or post???
Pre in this case... that can be change to Post as well
I like to use my sends like you. I think it is much easier indeed. (for me, at least, it is)
:-)
If you have effects on the FX channel that are sensitive to the input level you should avoid alteration on the send fader going to the FX channel.
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Is a send the same as a buss? It would be good to do a vid explaining how you integrate sends/busses, and group channels.... and how you would incorporate inserts into these too (if at all). Thanks
Oh yeah and thanks for the great videos too.... Excellent teaching and content.
Hello, i want to create a "classic" reggaedub effect :I want, for example, to send a snare in the delay, there no worries, I send it via the send of the slice snare in the delay (channel fx or auxiliary according to the terms of the DAW ...), but then I want to reinject via the send of the channel FX this signal in this same way fx to create a loop ... it will be repeated to infinity ... and there cubase does not propose me the way fx ... can to protect ... because this loop can quickly go in feedback ... as I said ableton live offers this feedback, protools too ... (at least protools offers the bus ...). In analog it's pretty simple to do ... :)
Hey Bruno, I don't think you can as far as I know!
I rather adjust the send level and leave the return level 100 on the tax channel . Or mess with the pre or post option on the send level from the try signal
Excellent and accurate as always :) BTW I notice your projects are 48k / 24bit. It would be really interesting to see a video where you go through a little about why you chose that over any other resolution, benefits, pros/cons etc. Also how SRC (sample rate conversion) can be a problem later down the line. I tend to do 44k for production and 88k for mixing and mastering, and would love to see a vid from you about that, maybe you covered it already and I missed it? Take care :) BTW you should think about a patreon page, I'm sure many here would support you there for some extra income!
I did a vid last year about Sample Rate ua-cam.com/video/IahwHQ2mNfY/v-deo.html ... For now, I record and mix in 48/24 without asking myself too many questions. At this point, not a huge diffrence with 44.1. Maybe with a new computer system, I'll be able to fully mix in 96 but not sure if it makes a HUGE difference when releasing your master in a 320Mp3 file. That's open to discussion. I will probably think otherwise when music will be distributed in a higher sample rate sometime in the future, that day will come for sure :-)
Yes, I taught of starting a Patreon page, maybe I should, still debating!
@@mixdownonline thanks i didn't see that vid yet :) BTW, why 48 or 96 - over 44 ot 88? Since most end results will be 44, isn't it better to just do 44 or 88? I never really understood why 48 or 96 became more popular than 44 or 88 considering what the end result will be. And from a mathematical standpoint its cleaner to do SRC from 88 to 44, than 96 or 48 to 44.
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