I have the tacops and just installed the eps carry mrs yesterday with the screws that came with it and did not use the plate. Looks good to me and it's mounted solid.
@@Gospeed777 I ended up getting the screws from QVO. While it felt OK with the screws that came with it , there was a tiny amount of play that I didn't notice at first.
I just did it yesterday, I put a plate with the Rear sights on a 365 that I was putting it together as a Backup Pistol, I carry now the Macro with Romeo Zero and I love it. I haven’t any issues since getting it when I bought the 365 XL
I was watching your video about using/not-using the provided plate for the Holosun EPS Carry on a Sig P365 optic ready (has the X slide). Out of the box, Holosun provides 6 mounting screws. 2 are 6-32 x 12mm 2 are 3-0.5 x 10mm 2 are 4-0.7 x 10 mm They do not provide 4 of the same type ( 3-0.5 x 10mm) screws with "2 for spares". If someone doesn't realize that, they could potentially damage their slide. Just thought you would like to know.
I got the correct screws and didn't use a plate. BUT... I did install a Metal Shim Plate at the back to remove the minor amount of slop when the EPS Carry was installed. I found that without a shim plate, even with the proper screws fully tightened down, I could move the optic ever so slightly. It was enough to shift my point of aim by an inch or 2 at 20-25 yards. Which to ME was totally unacceptable.
I noticed that without the spacer , there is a gap between optic and slide . It’s not noticeable at first glance. But when you hold the handgun up against some lighting you can see the eps carry sits flush in the back , but has a gap towards the front of the optic and slide. I shot it both ways , no issue , but ended up installing the spacer . Took care of the gap. I noticed this gap on 365 tacops, macro , and regular 365xl, with eps carry. The 507k seems to sit flush on the slides I tried it on. Just some info
I just looked at mine and I don’t have any gaps? Dimensions and tolerances should all be close enough that I wouldn’t expect differences. Not sure why you have this and would be interested to hear if anyone else is noticing this. I have a few friends that have the X MACRO either the WOS Carry and I’ll see how theirs aligns.
2nd this. Without the plate, the eps carry has noticeably more play and there is definitely a minor gap towards the front of the optic. There's probably a reason why holosun included the mounting plate.......
@@bap2139 when I checked with Holosun they said you do not need the plate if you have the shorter screws that do not have shoulders. I was also able to see two other X MACROs set up with the WPS Carry without the plate and there was no gap or play. They both had the shorter screws, one from QVO Tactical and the other from Holosun.
bfgprecision is correct... The gap is only because you're using the long screws that came with the optic. If get the Fdez Werx screws or have Holosun send you the correct screws, there is no gap. The optic fits tight without the plate, no wiggle/play.
@@bryguymcfly99 I didn’t need to use the mounting plate. Maybe I’m just lucky, but I don’t think so. I did have to use an actual tool-not the cheap plastic tool that comes with the red dot. All I can say is the skinnier screws worked for me without the plate. Hope they do the same for you.
First and foremost brother awesome. Awesome pistol. I'm going to purchase the talk ops without the compensator in the front. But my question today was where did you get that polished trigger and controls. Did you polish it yourself looks awesome
Thanks! The Tac Ops is a great choice. You get a lot 4x mags and a magwell. Also, not sure you're giving up too much with no comp in the slide either. I got the nickel parts directly from SIG, I put the link here below. Thanks for watching and for your your comment! www.sigsauer.com/p365x-controls-parts-kit-nickel.html
i installed w/o plate and the only screws that fit the p365 and noticed the wobble due to the screws being too long. searched youtube and ended up here. thanks for the info as i was like wtf?
Exactly! I came across this and couldn't find anything to help so I wanted to put something out there to be a resource after I confirmed this with Holosun. I'm glad I could help you out. I try to do this with things I come across, I have a bunch of other videos with items this like this in there and I'll keep letting you guys about things like this that I come across. I have a good one for the Streamlight TLR7 SUB for the 1913 install on an X MACRO. You need other parts than what you get in the box, I have a video on this. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
All of the Holosun optics don’t really fit true to the P365 X Macro, until they come out with a SCS type I’m holding out. I don’t want any overlap on the sides or a gap on the slide.
I found the beginning of the video incredibly informative, but all of a sudden it skipped from preparation to the optic was on the gun. What happened? Is it because of UA-cam rules? The nickel trigger, takedown, and slide catch along with the barrel is a nice contrast. What companies did you get each of those from?
I'd almost be worried about the oil breaking down the seal on the bottom there... Even is just from the vibration working it's way into that material. I'm not saying it's a bad idea because corrosion is a thing not to be trifled with. I just don't know what the best solution is haha
The oil won’t breakdown the seal. It actually can help it from drying out. Oil on gaskets, seals is a very common practice. It’s done quite a bit actually. It can be excessive but there are no negatives to it from my knowledge. Thanks for your comment and for watching!
I used VC3 thread locker. I use Loctite often but I like VC3 a lot. It remains pliable so it doesn’t crack and it much easier to remove from the threads when/if you need or chose to remove it. Thanks for the comment! .
Just got mine today. I have a gen 2 xl slide (retains the rear site) and my eps screwed perfectly right onto the slide. No plate involved. Guess I got lucky with the screws
That’s great!! I wonder if Holosun started including the shorted screws? That would make sense, cost is probably negligible and it make their customers happy. Nothing worse that finding out the parts that come with the part you just purchased don’t work with your firearm and you have to purchase extra part. It would be great if they are included now. If anyone knows please let me know.
Did you ever get any more info on this? I just installed my EPS carry on my new P365X with the skinny screws and everything seems fine. Direct mount, skinny screws. Screws seemed to torque down properly. Didn't feel like they hit anything...
I got the scs carry without the plate it sits crooked on the slide to the point the cross reticle is rotated visibly. With the plate installed its not as bad but still a problem. Did this with both my oem macro slide and my shalotek slide.
How long did holosun take to send you the shorter screws? I have the eps carry on order, will be picking up the x macro soon, so i don't want to be left hanging too long.
I bought the x macro that came with higher iron sights and the Romeo zero elite. I want to change the Romeo zero elite for this eps carry. Having the higher iron sights already on my xmacro, do you recommend me plate or no plate with this holosun?
You certainly can and I do use Blue Loc-Tite 242 a lot, but for this I used Vibra-Tight VC-3 which I also use a lot and tend to favor because it stays much more pliable and resistant to cracking. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
Hey appreciate the video! I'm having the same issue with HS507x2. This optic doesn't come with the adapter plate though. I'll be returning it and grabbing the eps carry. My only issue is that the slide doesn't have the raised notches to secure the front of the optic. Have you encountered any issues without the mounting plate?
No they are not included. You can get them directly from Holosun but you have to call them and request them. They will send the shorter screws to you free of charge. I'm not sure why they don't include them, maybe they will change and start to supp;y them with the original packaging. Also, FDEZ Works and QVO Tactical both also carry them but you will have to purchase them for a few dollars. Hope this helps thanks for watching!
That Lucas oil isn't that great as a protectant, and that is a lot of oil under the sight. It reminds me of Martin Lawrence in Big Momma's house using Crisco/butter on everything
No plate is required! Yes, I work for Sig and can make that claim.
I have the p365 axg legion ? Are the screws provided with eps carry work with it ?
Did you ever figure out if the screws will work? @@7381366
@@7381366 I would measure to be sure, if they are too long Holosun is very good at helping out in my experience.
Got mine from QVO, they also sent vibratight, stickers and an air freshener. Best 7 bucks I have spent in a while.
I was also surprised by the car freshener. They can’t be making much of a profit if you only spending $10 on all of it 🤷♂️
I have the tacops and just installed the eps carry mrs yesterday with the screws that came with it and did not use the plate. Looks good to me and it's mounted solid.
I was under the impression that it's a direct mount
@@Gospeed777 I ended up getting the screws from QVO. While it felt OK with the screws that came with it , there was a tiny amount of play that I didn't notice at first.
Awesome, just be careful you don’t bottom out the screws. Take a caliper measurement to be sure, that’s my recommendation.
@bfgprecision yeah I ended up getting aftermarket screws from QVO tactical because I read to many stories of failures.
It sort of depends on your front sight. On my P365 I mounted with the platet which gave me perfect co-witness. Easy to try before you put screws in.
I just did it yesterday, I put a plate with the Rear sights on a 365 that I was putting it together as a Backup Pistol, I carry now the Macro with Romeo Zero and I love it. I haven’t any issues since getting it when I bought the 365 XL
I was watching your video about using/not-using the provided plate for the Holosun EPS Carry on a Sig P365 optic ready (has the X slide).
Out of the box, Holosun provides 6 mounting screws.
2 are 6-32 x 12mm
2 are 3-0.5 x 10mm
2 are 4-0.7 x 10 mm
They do not provide 4 of the same type ( 3-0.5 x 10mm) screws with "2 for spares".
If someone doesn't realize that, they could potentially damage their slide.
Just thought you would like to know.
I was on the fence to buy one of these. Now not so much. I don’t like how it hangs off the sides. Awesome review
I got the correct screws and didn't use a plate. BUT... I did install a Metal Shim Plate at the back to remove the minor amount of slop when the EPS Carry was installed. I found that without a shim plate, even with the proper screws fully tightened down, I could move the optic ever so slightly. It was enough to shift my point of aim by an inch or 2 at 20-25 yards. Which to ME was totally unacceptable.
Thank You!!! I'm about to buy the Holosun EPS Carry. I was kinda worried but you sorted me out.
Excellent video! Thanks for taking the guess work out for the rest of us!
I noticed that without the spacer , there is a gap between optic and slide . It’s not noticeable at first glance. But when you hold the handgun up against some lighting you can see the eps carry sits flush in the back , but has a gap towards the front of the optic and slide.
I shot it both ways , no issue , but ended up installing the spacer . Took care of the gap.
I noticed this gap on 365 tacops, macro , and regular 365xl, with eps carry.
The 507k seems to sit flush on the slides I tried it on.
Just some info
I just looked at mine and I don’t have any gaps? Dimensions and tolerances should all be close enough that I wouldn’t expect differences. Not sure why you have this and would be interested to hear if anyone else is noticing this. I have a few friends that have the X MACRO either the WOS Carry and I’ll see how theirs aligns.
2nd this. Without the plate, the eps carry has noticeably more play and there is definitely a minor gap towards the front of the optic. There's probably a reason why holosun included the mounting plate.......
@@bap2139 when I checked with Holosun they said you do not need the plate if you have the shorter screws that do not have shoulders. I was also able to see two other X MACROs set up with the WPS Carry without the plate and there was no gap or play. They both had the shorter screws, one from QVO Tactical and the other from Holosun.
bfgprecision is correct... The gap is only because you're using the long screws that came with the optic.
If get the Fdez Werx screws or have Holosun send you the correct screws, there is no gap. The optic fits tight without the plate, no wiggle/play.
@niteline42 no, I'm using the correct size screws. There is a very minor gap but not big enough to bother me. Runs fine
The skinnier screws that came with the EPS carry worked for me
No mounting plate, direct to slide? Got the eps carry on order and will be picking up the x macro soon so I want to be ready to mount it. Thx
@@bryguymcfly99 I didn’t need to use the mounting plate. Maybe I’m just lucky, but I don’t think so. I did have to use an actual tool-not the cheap plastic tool that comes with the red dot. All I can say is the skinnier screws worked for me without the plate. Hope they do the same for you.
very informative - was looking for this exact information.
Glad I could help!
Well...... that answered my question. Thank you sir!!
First and foremost brother awesome. Awesome pistol. I'm going to purchase the talk ops without the compensator in the front. But my question today was where did you get that polished trigger and controls. Did you polish it yourself looks awesome
Thanks! The Tac Ops is a great choice. You get a lot 4x mags and a magwell. Also, not sure you're giving up too much with no comp in the slide either. I got the nickel parts directly from SIG, I put the link here below. Thanks for watching and for your your comment!
www.sigsauer.com/p365x-controls-parts-kit-nickel.html
i installed w/o plate and the only screws that fit the p365 and noticed the wobble due to the screws being too long. searched youtube and ended up here. thanks for the info as i was like wtf?
Exactly! I came across this and couldn't find anything to help so I wanted to put something out there to be a resource after I confirmed this with Holosun. I'm glad I could help you out. I try to do this with things I come across, I have a bunch of other videos with items this like this in there and I'll keep letting you guys about things like this that I come across. I have a good one for the Streamlight TLR7 SUB for the 1913 install on an X MACRO. You need other parts than what you get in the box, I have a video on this. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
All of the Holosun optics don’t really fit true to the P365 X Macro, until they come out with a SCS type I’m holding out. I don’t want any overlap on the sides or a gap on the slide.
I just ordered the screws from QVO . Last Friday.. hopefully they come in this week 😫😫😫
Awesome! It’s a much better fit with the shorter screws and to be able to co-witness with the std X Ray 3 night sites is huge! Thanks for watching!
I found the beginning of the video incredibly informative, but all of a sudden it skipped from preparation to the optic was on the gun. What happened? Is it because of UA-cam rules? The nickel trigger, takedown, and slide catch along with the barrel is a nice contrast. What companies did you get each of those from?
I’ve seen some pictures and a video of the screws in the eps carry and holosun 507k snapping off in the macro.
I'd almost be worried about the oil breaking down the seal on the bottom there... Even is just from the vibration working it's way into that material. I'm not saying it's a bad idea because corrosion is a thing not to be trifled with. I just don't know what the best solution is haha
The oil won’t breakdown the seal. It actually can help it from drying out. Oil on gaskets, seals is a very common practice. It’s done quite a bit actually. It can be excessive but there are no negatives to it from my knowledge. Thanks for your comment and for watching!
Thank you so much for this video was looking everywhere for these screws.
Qvo are still out of stock. Just placed my order on fdez werx.
Awesome, glad it helped you. Thanks for watching!
Very good video!
Great info. Most recommend loctite with screws. I noticed you didn’t use. Thoughts?
I used VC3 thread locker. I use Loctite often but I like VC3 a lot. It remains pliable so it doesn’t crack and it much easier to remove from the threads when/if you need or chose to remove it. Thanks for the comment! .
Just got mine today. I have a gen 2 xl slide (retains the rear site) and my eps screwed perfectly right onto the slide. No plate involved. Guess I got lucky with the screws
That’s great!! I wonder if Holosun started including the shorted screws? That would make sense, cost is probably negligible and it make their customers happy. Nothing worse that finding out the parts that come with the part you just purchased don’t work with your firearm and you have to purchase extra part. It would be great if they are included now. If anyone knows please let me know.
I have the p356X and used the skinnier screws that came with the EPS without the plate and it seems fine. Why do we need shorter screws?
Did you ever get any more info on this? I just installed my EPS carry on my new P365X with the skinny screws and everything seems fine. Direct mount, skinny screws. Screws seemed to torque down properly. Didn't feel like they hit anything...
What’s the recommended torque for these two screws ?
Thank you for the info. Will put it to you soon.
I got the scs carry without the plate it sits crooked on the slide to the point the cross reticle is rotated visibly. With the plate installed its not as bad but still a problem. Did this with both my oem macro slide and my shalotek slide.
How long did holosun take to send you the shorter screws? I have the eps carry on order, will be picking up the x macro soon, so i don't want to be left hanging too long.
A little less than a week.
I see u have 4 screws, does it take all 4 to hold it down or just 2? Kind of wish I saw u screw it down in the video
got my screws off Amazon the next day M3-0.5 x 8 the ones from holosun are M3-0.5 x 10 I believe they made in china but seem to be fine
I wished Holosun sent the shorter screws in the original packaging
For the cost of that thing they should include all appropriate screws not just two sets.
Awesome vid! Curious what trigger and controls you put on the gun. Love the silver and black look!!
What upgraded trigger are you using? Looks like a sig upgrade. Thanks so much for the video as co witnessing Is HUGE!
Its the original OEM version except in nickel color.
@@bfgprecision sig always sneaking in models and not telling people ;)
Out of stock. Anywhere else you can recommend?
For the screws? QVO Tactical, Holosun or Tactical Development
Where did you buy the screws? Link please
Did you ever get it to co witness? How did it perform?
I bought the x macro that came with higher iron sights and the Romeo zero elite. I want to change the Romeo zero elite for this eps carry. Having the higher iron sights already on my xmacro, do you recommend me plate or no plate with this holosun?
Did you use blue lock tight?
You certainly can and I do use Blue Loc-Tite 242 a lot, but for this I used Vibra-Tight VC-3 which I also use a lot and tend to favor because it stays much more pliable and resistant to cracking. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
What screwdriver or tool did you use for the fdez works screws?
Any update on your shooting after installing the red dot? Is the dot interfering with the front sight?
What’s the recommended torque for the two mounting screws?
The slide is coated. The optic is aluminum. No need for oil.
I do it as a secondary measure, never hurts.
What size torque wrench for screws on optic mount ?.?
Hey appreciate the video! I'm having the same issue with HS507x2. This optic doesn't come with the adapter plate though. I'll be returning it and grabbing the eps carry. My only issue is that the slide doesn't have the raised notches to secure the front of the optic.
Have you encountered any issues without the mounting plate?
Not used plate since finally got the EPS Carry in last year. No issues. Slide the optic as far forward as can then tighten screws....
@@niteline42 Thanks for the reply. I've ordered the screws and will give it a shot. Pun intended. Sorry. 🤣
No issues at all, getting close to 1k rounds and no issues.
What MOA size dot did you get?
2 dot 32 Ring on mine.
Does the optic seat flush on the side of the frame or does it hang over the side a little ? Ty
It hangs over slightly on both sides.
Are these screws not included in the box for x macro?
No they are not included. You can get them directly from Holosun but you have to call them and request them. They will send the shorter screws to you free of charge. I'm not sure why they don't include them, maybe they will change and start to supp;y them with the original packaging. Also, FDEZ Works and QVO Tactical both also carry them but you will have to purchase them for a few dollars. Hope this helps thanks for watching!
No lock tight?
Vibra Tite
You didn't even show the actual install! Defeats the whole purpose of the video.
That Lucas oil isn't that great as a protectant, and that is a lot of oil under the sight. It reminds me of Martin Lawrence in Big Momma's house using Crisco/butter on everything
You don’t need the plate, however, the screws that the included are too long
Correct, need to order shorter screws from Holosun, QVO Tactical, Tac Dev, etc.
The difference on what I received is the thread also, its all wrong