After having a spiritual awakening this year I've realized how on the ball Chris is here. Never understood him till later in my growth journey. Science just isn't ready yet.
I've had the same exact experience. I've dabbled around pretty much every philosophical idea and somehow ended up back to Chris. I never understood his theory until recently.
I was raised in the Christian faith. At age 11, my instructors decided I was more trouble than I was worth so they asked my parents to remove me from the school. Everyday, I would ask them questions about what they taught us about God. The questions I asked were not the type they expected or accepted. I was alone in this world, surrounded by adults that seemed to hold onto childlike fantasies of imaginary friends. That feeling never went away. I believe there is a creator of the universe, but I don't imagine he is like the God my parents told me of that exists in organized Christianity. This reality could be simulated by a higher power as some sort of scientific simulation. When you look at the magnitude of clusters of stars in galaxies, and then of galaxies themselves, I can see that they were likely not designed individually. I think the creator has a set of formulas, or algorithms that utilize the elements that we are aware of. Has anyone else lived a similar experience?
I would say mine is a little similar. Except I don't believe there is any "creator" because it simply can't be proven, only theorized. Though I am not saying that the Big Bang theory is also correct, I believe that some event took place that made the universe the way it is today. It could be possible that each universe within the multiverse has its own set of rules, however we have only discovered less than 1% of our own universe; so that has yet to be proven. There are too many unknown factors for anyone to say what is right and what is wrong, until we find out more when humanity technologically advances further. We still have yet to understand what "dark energy" is which could be a possible factor in determining the age of the universe, as of now we are going off of how far the light as traveled (this is my own theorizing, not factual information). Until the human population discovers more, we are only left theorizing for the moment and debating what could be and what couldn't be.
I have. While I personally admire several of the teachings of Jesus Christ, I found truth in Islam, which emphasizes a personal relationship with God that does not require middle men. The idea that God is greater than everything else there is and ever will be makes much more sense to me as a central tenant of faith than worshipping a human being - no matter how great they were. Sure, there are people who corrupt the central message in this faith (as in all in faiths), but there is an enormous amount of knowledge and goodness in it.
Thank you for this highly inspirational and positive message. Most great ideas are very simple and just need to be broken down to be understood for people to understood them. I like the way Mr. Langan says "parse things out". This is essentially just very calmly and patiently explaining things to people who perhaps just don't understand larger metaphysical ideas/aren't interested in the realm of deep thought (by dissecting language and breaking things down to understand syntax/sentence structure/word origin/what things REALLY mean). Any detractors from Chris' message don't know what they're talking about (he's said nothing logically wrong/ that could in anyway be construed as offensive). People are basically just jealous/envious of people who are on a higher level (i.e. they want what they don't have). The Universe is definitely designed for Good and people do have a specific theic identity within them. As I've grown/learned to differentiate the voices in my head, I've grown more comfortable in my own skin and become able to distinguish between my inner voices that I hear (ex. Jehovah's voice/ my own speaking voice/ conversating telepathically with others).
So the individual serves as a witness to their own world perspective. Interesting idea, i will have to process the implications further. It also places a much higher emphasis on the importance of faith and who we are within that faith.
Not faith .... belief. We are to give Godly testimony. That is the purpose of human life. Mankind's growth recycles itself to a higher and higher level towards God and Heaven on earth.
The God self-evolving concept makes me view history and biographies differently now... I wish you’d do a video on any well documented historical event and breakdown the telic factors that had to occur in order for it to happen.
This one is a fan-made video. I've never seen or heard of the movie until you mentioned it, although I have watched all of Fares' videos here on the channel (he made the first 25/30 and gave us the channel). It looks like a nice movie and Chris and I will definitely watch it!
@@CTMURadio I watched it with tears running down my face for most of it (out of a sense of beauty not sadness). But good thing to remember while watching it is that every line is seemingly a metaphor. It's a very very special film.
Obviously Langan's perception and articulation are vastly more comprehensive than mine, but I've discussed this subject at fair length in the past as well. One conclusion that I reached was that *We are Nature's consciousness.* By nature, Nature is unconscious, because consciousness is the result of the animating source (God, spirit, soul, etc.) interfacing with the material neural network (brain, spine, nervous system, etc.), in the same way that light is the result of electricity (animating source) interfacing with the bulb's filament (material element). *Consciousness is the light produced by the application of spirit to body.* And so, *Through our eyes Nature takes her first look at herself.* Through our consciousness of Nature, Nature becomes conscious of herself. And she likes what she sees. Much like a female in front of a mirror, our compulsion to explore and discover every aspect of the universe - from the smallest particles to the largest celestial bodies - is her desire to see more of herself.
Racial Consciousness interesting, thank you for sharing that, it was quite enlightening. This light bulb analogy you brought up especially. The way our soul, mind and body connect. The connection of these forces activates something essential. So essential it far exceeds our capacity of understanding and could be so far removed from who and what we are that it’d be impossible to correctly conclude said purpose. We may very well be the catalyst to something important for this higher being we call God. Much like sperm swim towards the egg in order to fertilize it. The sperm has no mind of its own, even if we told this sperm why it needs to get to the egg and how it serves such an essential function for us, it wouldn’t understand a thing, there’s also no need for us to try and communicate with this thing at all. It lacks the capability to understand, to think even. We just need it to “do what it does”. The way we live. The way we “do”. Might very well fuel this greater force we call God. Like the sperm fertilizing the egg. We may never understand here and now what it is we are engaging in but it could be to serve an incredibly important purpose that simply exceeds our ability to ever hope to concretely locate or even understand. What we hope to understand could literally be unfathomable to us. Imagine trying to delineate to somebody who has and always will be deaf, what sound is. First off , they wouldn’t even hear your description, even if they could, what we would be describing would be so foreign and unimaginable to this deaf person that it wouldn’t compute. It’s a sense that they lack. Perhaps the senses required of us to understand our purpose have yet to be brought into reality. We need to transcend what we currently are to experience these new senses. Like a caterpillar morphing into a butterfly. Perhaps death, is the mechanism by which we transcend this life into a deeper, more complex and meaningful one. Closer to God. What we are experiencing right now might just be the sorting process.
Using this concept, could you imagine what Heaven would be like? You don't have to be genius to get there. A place full of incredibly sincere and devoted beings.
I see the universe as evolving intelligence to the point that organic beings within it can explain how the universe itself came into being, as it is not obvious that the universe would know such information, having being built from "bits" of information incapable of any memory of that primal era of development. A baby left on a doorstep doesn't know his parentage, someone must do the research and tell it. Sentient life is that researcher, and the universe is that baby.
@@excalibirb9204 Crazy how it was a series of sheltered first world brats that led humanity out of the dark ages and into the scientific light, specifically using morality as the tool.
@Shteena S. Sliggnits but you could say the same about separating good from bad. You could say i know 5 people who are good because they generally don't behave bad and i know 5 people who are bad and generally don't do good. This theory that everything is just the same down the middle split 5050 is ridiculous. I know of people who generally fit the description of benevolent humans vs congenital Satanists.
Dont try to sneak organised religion in here we are trying to have a serious factual discussion. Ps; Hebrews Ch 4 was written by the Sumerians waaaaaay before the bible was even thought of.
He's right but there's more to it than that. God sees us become selfish in the spiritual world and knows when we want to experience relationships outside of complete knowledge and bliss. Our ignorance is born from being in this body and the challenges we face cannot be overcome or learned unless in this state. Ultimately He is the enjoyer who witnesses these developments and we trick ourselves by being convinced it's all about us. It's our own selfishness which brings us here and the lesson is to reunite with Him through complete understanding, but we remain selfish and the pattern continues. God's playground for His pets. You are living in His Energy. The evolution continues. Limitations occur in the material world but cannot be experienced unless within it. What is your end game ?
What he just described is what he views his own purpose to be, which is to understand everything, and then he proceeded to project his own sense of personal purpose onto what "God wants" the universe's purpose to be. Only problem is that such a projection onto a "God" that doesn't change, ever, is that God wouldn't have any desires one way or another since God doesn't change one way or another. A better description for the purpose of the universe would be that since God is that which never changes and is eternal, then the only thing that God can't do IS change, and so the universe exists to complete the circle and allow for things which do change.
i think nowadays people have already accepted thier fate and just want to make the best of this world in whatever way they enjoy which is totally understandable but selfish and messed up in some situation like people that take pleasure doing criminal acts and making others lives shit
Thank you very much for your always informative knowledge and the fact that you share your gift I find quite advantageous for anyone who listens and tries to understand! God bless you and your family my friend
What comes to my mind. Perhaps,....Perfection cannot exist, without imperfection. God is perfection. For God to exist, we must exist. We are imperfection.
This is very similar to how Alan Watts viewed the cosmos when he said: “Everyone of us is an aperture through which the whole cosmos looks out. It’s as if you had a light covered with a black ball. And in this ball are pinholes. And each pinhole is an aperture through which the light comes out. So in that way everyone of us is actually a pinhole through which the fundamental light - that is existence itself - looks out. Only, the game we are playing is not to know this. To be only that little hole which we call me, my ego, my specific John Jones or whatever. If we can maintain at the same time the sense of being this specific John Jones with his role in life and know also underneath it that we are the whole works… you get a very marvelous and agreeable arrangement. It gives one’s life a great sense of joy and exuberance - if you could carry on these two things at once. In other words, if you know all the theories and predicaments of life is a game.”
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The fact that he starts from the position of assuming that the true conception of God must be compatible with all world religions, proves that he is if not disingenuous, then simply looking to unify all religions (a kind of syncretism) for emotional or aesthetic reasons. He is in a sense saying that no one religion is any closer to a ground truth than any other, which is logically impossible if there is such thing as "the truth of the matter". Sounds to me like he's peddling relativism but dressing it up in attractive spiritual language. I've also heard him tell one of his patreons on a call that it's possible to communicate with the dead, which sounds to me like he's coming dangerously close to being a guru of sorts; someone who doesn't have any qualms about just telling people what they want to hear. I know there's more to Langan than what I mentioned above, but to me he's a very mixed bag. No doubt intelligent (as his interview with Steve Patterson demonstrated), but he asserts way too many things without even a shred of evidence, and never concedes that he might be wrong.
Lumitopia yup u might be right too since his life was made by every obstacles uve know in life . broke,dropped out from collage , got discriminated , no one believed:(
I have a hunch he's simply relying on the relative ignorance of everyone else. Even the most intricately complex concepts can be put into simple language by people who understand those concepts. Being the CTMU is his own concept, he should be able to easily explain it to his critics. He instead attacks the critics themselves rather than pointing out where they are actually incorrect. I am still unable to clearly understand his concept in such a way that its an undeniable proof or unifying theory. A cool idea, certainly yes, but not a self- relevant proof of anything as far as I can tell. Its artistic at best.
A fallacy underlies your claim; perhaps if your mental faculty was less diminished than proper comprehension could be derived-clearly you don’t possess.
A truer concept of "God" isn"t compatible With ANY estsblished religion! "God"is not some Divine male personality;our concepts of what a personality is-is FAR too Limited to squeeze any of Its reality into that get it? Good. We as humans are"nt intelligent enough to understand this eternal multidimensional creative undefineable phenomena at Our present stage of Development. Religious descriptions of "God" are more like fairy tales and childrens stories than anything else and its utter NONSENSE.
Christopher Langan. I asked God the question (and i really meant it) As a devout practising atheist. I wouldn't be lying if I said. You better be strong and ready for "that" kind of answer. Now I have no doubt.
While I agree that the most likely explanation of God resides somewhere within a concept of pantheism, where God is a self evident and self explaining, I disagree about the idea of an essential purge for the purpose of God’s evolution. This idea produces a very strange moral dilemma, where the objective morality that undergirds our reality is carried out in a fashion of hit or miss by God that cannot be determined in any given circumstance. For example, a baby that dies from a disease and a murderer put to death are indistinguishable as being a purge from God, which results in the problem of an incompetent God, a malicious God, or a moral system where there’s an equal justification for a baby and murderer dying. This often turns the self evident nature of God into a theological buffet, everything good that happens is God and a miracle, everything bad that happens is not of God. The theory also presupposes that life and death, as concepts, have a terminal meaning, versus merely a redistribution of matter across a system to fall into different patterns. Is it not more likely that the Ego, and therefore the spirit, is simply a particular pattern contained within the larger pattern of the universe? It seems to me that all death really is, is a transitory period of a particular pattern that composes the Ego back into a bunch of other systems, as when you die the only thing that doesn’t truly remain on a fundamental level is the specific pattern, within the specific pattern is all the specific neurological pathways that ultimately define your ego as separate from the external world, all those pieces within that pattern is redistributed out to attach and reform other patterns. This follows the same logic that explains how the death of stars lead to the red color in our blood, the death of the star wasn’t a terminal end to the star but instead a transitory period of the star to continue on as the iron in our blood that gives blood it’s red color. My idea of where exactly moral system arise actually comes from a simpler predictive pattern that was created by God, or the collective self with the birth of the Universe, this idea allows from free will, as conscious beings can deviate from the predictive pattern. This also allows for an emerging objective morality, as the moral system is evolving and transitioning over time but at any given time is reflected in a particular pattern, so there cannot exist a true and eternal doctrine of moral values because the system itself is changing over time and requires the conscious beings within the system to intuitively deduce that pattern at any given moment and pay very close attention to the system to discover the essential will or predictive pattern of morality that lies below reality. This theory in accordance with contemporary scientific theories about the infinite space and time theories of the universe would produce a result where each Ego would essentially reform, as well as existing as all other things at some point within the cycle of the universe. This would mean any existential fear of death you have isn’t really warranted, as you’ve already died and been born an infinite amount of times as all things in all places at all times, so if you are akin to the life you currently live, do not fear, when you close your eyes for the last time, you will also open them again for the first.
Yooo -- this sensor thing -- if I'm understanding correctly it's basically that God is using humans as a lens with which to view Himself (in order to make judgements on what part to keep) -- it made me think of the idea prevalent in many teachings like Buddhism and Christianity that tells you not to develop preference/not to judge. It would make sense that this would be so that you can have a clean/unbiased perspective that God could more effectively use. Is that kinda the thinking? Just discovered CTMU and it seems like it could be approaching truth!
God being judgmental, that just sounds as bolocks, it's not God who is deciding what's right or wrong, it's we humans who project this nonsense onto God. Same as humans claim that God made us into His image, we created God into our image and in doing so we distance our selves from the God. The more ideas, thoughts, knowledge we have about the God, the further away from God we are
@@josyfalcon5442 Hey there! I am an avid student of the CTMU. I've actually written 2 books on the subject-- "God versus Language" and "Tractatus Logico-Syndiffeonicus".
@@jonathanmize5626 Oh man, I didn't know it was you. Yes, I read the first one, and I'm hoping to read the second one soon. Just a little question, do you know if Langan is aware of your books, and if so, what is his opinion of them?
@@josyfalcon5442 Awesome! Mr. Langan has congratulated me on the books, but he hasn't read or reviewed them yet. He has said he will likely read them at some point though
So basically he's saying God isn't yet perfect, but seems to be in the pursuit of perfection. but whats it all for? And what happens when he's fully purged all the unwanted parts of himself?
No, God is perfect, He created the notions of perfection and imperfection, he created the Time ans the Space, so thé concept of thé perfection is a perception for us that had been created by God.
God needs nothing to conjure sensory perceptions since God created all forms of perception. The need for an external entity to verify and collect sensory input is null due to the facilitator of all creation constructed all. However we are creatures of choice which God has demanded in accordance with conscience and law that of which God himself established. This existence on earth is both a minute prison a place of refinement through test and tribulations. Simple as that.
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"There would be no purpose whatsoever without them" always keeps me up at night. What is Chris saying...that everything has to have a purpose because otherwise it wouldn't be here? I get it and I know Chris knows but is it possible that aspects of Gods "purpose" are hidden to Chris-- on our level?
What is Langan's view on the concept of redemption and salvation? Does he view Christ as the Bible describes - the word made flesh and his life and death being a sacrifice for the sins of humanity, one in which God's demands in the moral realm are met? If so, then through some union with Christ, can God manifest a real change in a sensors actions that would otherwise not occur by that sensors own unconnected (in the sense of being outside of this salvation in Christ) free will?
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I hope you see my comment - you said before God is Perfect - why does he "need" things then? Like why does He need to evolve? Does it not contradict the idea He is Self Sufficient, Omni Omni? I so much hope to get clear view on thisssss
God "needs" thing like anyone else who needs or wants to accomplish things on this plane. He has a plan and to accomplish that plan, he needs human beings to cooperate. If we reach a critical mass of non-cooperation, God would withdraw himself from our plane and that would be cataclysmic process.
I don't think his ideas are wholly unfounded. Part the reason he pushes the idea of a personal God is the fact that any metaphysical theory of reality must explain (1) why the universe assumed a specific form (if no multiverse exists), and (2) the existence of human consciousness/free will (if you are among those who agree consciousness constitutes a legitimately unique property of the universe, and if you think free will is a legitimate property). These ideas - the possibility of there being no multiverse, the possibility of "consciousness" not merely being an illusion but some basic phenomena that is somehow different from physical objects, and the idea of "real free will" existing - are not settled issues at all and the idea of them being real phenomena that are non-deterministic and non-physicalist is legitimate in the relevant intellectual communities. Langan's ideas (CTMU) and inferences about the nature of metaphysical reality are based on certain views that address these issues; if these views are true, then the universe must be a certain way, and that certain way is the CTMU. I don't agree that his CTMU is correct necessarily, but I'm prepared to grant him that if those positions are true, then his CTMU is probably an excellent theory for explaining them.
Where exactly is he getting this information from? He is telling you what God is doing and what he wants? How does he know any of that? And how is this any different from the typical Christian prosletyzing or apologetics? I'm genuinely curious.
Chris often works from first principles but he is also very well-read and builds on the work of great geniuses and philosophers. He doesn't hesitate to credit them, as well as some more current, in his papers (at ctmu.org). Thanks for your interest!
Why Is God a Tautology ? I would like to better understand this aspect I am very grateful to you!Is there a relationship between Wilber’s integral transpersonal vision and the CTMU?
It's about time we remove the "awe" aspect which makes us subjugates of god but instead replace awe with affinity - we don't want distance, we want closeness ...
@@archangelknights1422 well i guess your are right in your perspective but i dont think God is bound to the universe more than a thing he built and expect it to do good like if we build a table ourself and expect it to be sturdy and if it isn't of course we'll be a little dissapointed but then well just burn or trash it and make a new more sturdier one.
Dracula That's if you allow your creation to have free-will, free-will allows people to do good and evil, depending on the individual. But because we are limited and local, we're still not able to perform such act.
@@archangelknights1422 we HAVE free-will what are you a cat or a dog i mean how are you limited to doing good its not like you have to make an extra effort to be good like speaking takes the same energy whether your lying or telling the truth you are just moving your lips and tongue. We aren't that Limited like what else do you want magic and waifus...dont push all the Blame on God,nature or whatever for not being able to do a little good.
Nonsense. There is no separation between god and sensor. God is certainly not gender specific and it's not trying to figure itself out. God is simply the act of creation. Period. God has no other moral than to exist.
Their purpose is superficial, like a plant or a rock. Hopefully they won't do too much damage before they die, and hopefully they will die (or come to Jesus) quickly, because more godless full-grown humans are not needed.
@@CTMURadio so you want 15-20% of the worlds population to die because for them there is no sign that there is actually a God that watches over us, this is pure speculation and believe of the Humans that there has to be something greater AND this can`t be everything for us. AND have you ever wondered why there even is a Religon? In the beginning it was mostly to tie or bind together, meaning to get a group of people to stick toghter and work toghter (in tribes etc.) which clearly evolved with time, I don`t have anything against people to think god is real etc. but until I am proven differently I am skeptical about it, And to get back to the main point,If the 20% who are Aethists should all die in your opinion and GOD does exist, won`t he loose "expierence" from a different Point of VIew, and should he ever creat another universe without the flaws this universe has shown him, so they would have had a purpose for him, That could be a purpose for those people Diversity, but in generell you will Die, I Will die some day and we all will ask ourself: Was that it? What will be next? ps: If there are Aliens out there and they don`t believe in a higher existence what is the purpose of the universe for them? just be and be Happy? Just think of yourself a Toy gifted to a "GOD like beeing" to his birthday he created the Humans and forgot about us as he outgrew us, Yeah we could all be a forgotten birthday gift for all we know.
God does not "evolve" Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. God does not change!
He just released a paper on that very subject. Of course, he explains why a finite-simulated-universes theory is logically impossible, because that which does the simulating must itself come from somewhere or be simulated by an even higher level of reality. The Universe, and Reality as a whole, is actually a _self-simulation_, as that is the only ontologically/tautologically sound explanation for "something out of nothing". www.cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/867 BTW, this doesn't preclude the idea of our reality being simulated by a higher level, rather it just goes all the way to explaining where all realities/universes must come from.
In other words, the ultimate "censor", through which God can express Himself to lesser censors, is Jesus of Nazareth, Who is God in the flesh. We as the "censors" exhibited a malfunction at some point ages ago in what is referred to as the "Garden of Eden"; the central and beginning location of God's censors. When the malfunction occurred, a solution was needed, but it was only a solution that God Himself could offer. Jesus lived on the proper frequency, the way a man is supposed to live, with no deviation whatsoever on that frequency. He was murdered and took upon Himself the due penalty for not being inline with the frequency required to be perfect as God is. What happened was that reality short circuited when Christ died and rose, defeating death (the total shutdown of censors). Death is a side effect of not living on a proper frequency which is the frequency that God intended us to live on. Now, since death has been destroyed by God Himself on the cross, we the "censors" can freely choose to accept Christ's sacrifice as our sacrifice in order that we may be restored to our proper frequency after our earthly death. Those who fail to receive Christ's forgiveness are then discarded upon their death. The side effects of this are coming into direct contact with God Himself having lived in opposition to Him, therefore, that censor's systems, molecules; their entire being is expanding and shrinking all at the same; they are being continuously destroyed constantly at an accelerated rate all while still existing in some abstract form enough to being able to experience this fully. This is the lake of fire and the 2nd death. The hope here is that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus will be saved. If you want God to save you, turn from your sin and ask Him and he will save you. It is that simple. For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.
Did god really put us individually here or was it just change trow of a dice or maby it was bit of both do ve really have some purpose here individual bases
Yes. For "Him", there is no higher purpose than teleologic Self-actualization. I'm sure he's disappointed at the crappy job we've done and wouldn't be surprised if he pulled the plug on us at some point.
there is no need to personalize this idea, even if most people can't but do it. Why would one assume that "god" has any of ouer characteristics? Do we consist of smaller parts of ourselves or do we consist of cells? You can call it will, or the universe or god. Many philosophers have had this idea, the diffrence they make are between those who view this as a positive (being slaves to the will) or pessimist (rejecting will). I personally would reject it. But most people accept, or love it. Very similar to how this idea carries over to the rest of their lives, they want to be part of something bigger, and in that hope, they fall pray to anything.
A lot of what Langan is talking about is ripped straight from the Hindu Upanishads which were written millennia ago. This "invariant universal distributive force" he's talking about is a one-to-one parallel with the Brahman, or any of its ironically variant referents like Narayana, Parabrahman, Ishvara, etc. that all connote the same primordial indivisible and changeless substratum of existence. Even the individual perceiver that he's talking about is identical with the concept of the Atman, or the Jiva, commonly understood as the formless, bodiless "witness" within each living mind that is subject to individual cognition, self-reflection, and the effect of external senses being relayed to it by the gross and subtle bodies, and that is ultimately subject to dissolution in, and unification with, the Paramatman/Purusha/Brahman/universal soul upon the realization of its own nature as not actually distinct or differentiated from anything else in the perceivable world, but rather that it is in fact one with each other individual which are all in turn together unified with the universal cosmic Self. I'm fully willing to believe that Langan came up with these ideas on his own, but they're nothing new, and to be clear, these ideas fall squarely within the realm of speculative philosophy, and are in no way related to hard empirical science.
I'm sure there is overlap, as absolute truth will underlie those philosophies that embrace it and remain consistent. The CTMU is much more refined and far more advanced than any of them. This does not negate their value.. Thanks for your input!
Except other life forms don't possess the intelligence to make moral decisions on the same level as humans, or for that matter, at all. And humans evolved from other animals and are animals themselves. So the overwhelming amount of life forms on the planet that are not human and do not have the level of memory or capacity for reflection as humans do discredit this theory. Unless you are going to take it into the idea of reincarnation, where life forms are slowly working their way up to the point of human beings based on the capacity for moral decisions assuming free will exists, and plants discredit that. I would love to find strong evidence alternatives to the neuroscientific evidence of permanent unconsciousness via brain destruction, which goes along with terror management theory-- which goes along the survival drive as the primary drive of action in human beings and goes along with evolutionary psychology theory, which I think is important enough that it will eventually become part of mainstream psychology. We are incapable of comprehending dreamless sleep and incapable of comprehending the time before we were born, so if death permanently mirrors these states like most skeptics or atheists attest to, it is also perpetually beyond our comprehension regardless of our intelligence. Its worth comprehending this and anything else with probability, even if you hate it, dark thought experiments are risky but are also potential sources of massive personal growth.. at least while one is alive. I try to acknowledge the possibility of probability regardless of the emotional burden, but with that said, I am grateful that I don't know everything for the exact same reason and I think that mystery and study helps one cope with dark probabilities.
"Reality is the self-identification of god, specifically identifying which parts he wants to keep and which parts he doesn't want to keep." This means that the origin of the cosmos and life is a one-time event, otherwise god is apparently forgetful. I don't say this to be funny, find the reasoning and conclusion strange.
@@CTMURadio Correct, god is eternal. Creation, on the other hand, is apparently a one-time event because god must identify with present reality. Reality we call the cosmos and life / creation. If it were an endless cycle then god would have remembered it from previous creations. A one-time event doesn't make sense to me given the eternity of god. I find it an interesting conclusion that god learns through self-identification. Rejecting parts, on the other hand, is illogical because that means that god would reject parts of itself. That's how I see it for now, very interesting topics so thanks for posting.
The purpose of the CTMU is to give you a headache. It's a nice metaphysical idea and has a lot of philosophical value, but the theory has no scientific value, as it's not testable.
@@faismasterx Your going to have to read it. Because it's been in his books for 20 years and no one has refuted it. You just haven't bothered validating your bias'.
@@Ray_Getard42069 I've read it twice and it's all philosophy with a bit of mathematical logic thrown in. You can create and define anything. I can define things in terms of other things that I define and make statements that are true using the terms I've just defined. Here, I'll show you. A blarg is a bleet that always blorks. Anything that blorks is a blix. If A is a bleet, then it is a blarg and it always blorks. Since all that blork are blixes and since all blork are things that bleet, then all blixes are also blargs. The previous two statements are true, but they are also utterly meaningless. If you can show that his work represents reality in a meaningful way that isn't bound by his neologisms, then it has value outside of metaphysics. Until then, it's sort of interesting to think about, but has zero utility.
The universe exists unto itself and we are of it. I do not "believe", as Chris does, in a personification of his God. I am convinced that by our own personal perceptions and motivations we make each of our lives what we are. Our actions, environments and situations, both physical and mental, determine what what we perceive as what the universe is. But if some of us want to assign that purpose to a personified God we, of course, can. I simply think Chris's view is highly limited and restrictive, much as in an organized religion.
Well, that throws the infinite universe and probability theory out the window. "An open mind says, what?!" *crickets* Just an FYI, just so you know and maybe, just maybe you might understand that God or god, how ever some people want to spell it, is not an organized religion. I take that you never done LSD before?
As stated in Billy Madison, "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
And if you think, You’ll find your Way to god After your death, Why Wouldnt you end it Even earlier to reach him faster. Theories Are theories for a reason. Logically incontrovertible or just poetically Utopic.. it doesn’t matter, when the own hypocrisy or the fear of non-compliance for the theory and therefore the Personal dichotomy stands in the way..
How can God evolve if he isn't subject to change? If he is subject to change then he isn't a single identity. If there is a permanent part and a changing part, how do they join? Impossible. Langs God suffers the same flaws as the ancient Hindu's. Rejecting nihilistic physicalism, AND eternalistic theism, find rest in ultimate reality beyond all conceptual elaboration, indistinquishable from the nature of your own mind, luminous emptiness which very essence is compassion.
Id say it must be a paradox like everything. From one perspective god is complete, but since variation is infinite them it never reaches completion in another sense. I am now smarter tham chris. Someone please give me the crown lol
There was a book printed in 2001 that says all this. Idk when this guy came out with this but someone else already talked about this in extreme detail. “Masters of Shamballa” by Schuster.
Chris first developed the CTMU in the 1980's. Publication was limited to journals within the ultra-high IQ community. It wasn't until 2002 that the CTMU was published in a peer-reviewed Journal. ua-cam.com/video/xwAffwDiy3A/v-deo.html
You are entitled to your opinion but (Opinion) it’s not base on facts or evidence. So, your opinion is useless to anyone who disagrees but yourself and who ever agrees with you.
lmao some random guy on youtube comments take on the highest iq guy in the world. Hmmm i think ill go with the youtube guys take and stop listening to the 200 iq guy 🤔
After having a spiritual awakening this year I've realized how on the ball Chris is here. Never understood him till later in my growth journey. Science just isn't ready yet.
What caused your spiritual awakening? was there a moment?
I've had the same exact experience. I've dabbled around pretty much every philosophical idea and somehow ended up back to Chris. I never understood his theory until recently.
Most definitely
Even if you disagree with the man, you have to admit his work is brilliant.
I was raised in the Christian faith. At age 11, my instructors decided I was more trouble than I was worth so they asked my parents to remove me from the school. Everyday, I would ask them questions about what they taught us about God. The questions I asked were not the type they expected or accepted. I was alone in this world, surrounded by adults that seemed to hold onto childlike fantasies of imaginary friends. That feeling never went away.
I believe there is a creator of the universe, but I don't imagine he is like the God my parents told me of that exists in organized Christianity. This reality could be simulated by a higher power as some sort of scientific simulation. When you look at the magnitude of clusters of stars in galaxies, and then of galaxies themselves, I can see that they were likely not designed individually. I think the creator has a set of formulas, or algorithms that utilize the elements that we are aware of.
Has anyone else lived a similar experience?
I would say mine is a little similar. Except I don't believe there is any "creator" because it simply can't be proven, only theorized. Though I am not saying that the Big Bang theory is also correct, I believe that some event took place that made the universe the way it is today. It could be possible that each universe within the multiverse has its own set of rules, however we have only discovered less than 1% of our own universe; so that has yet to be proven. There are too many unknown factors for anyone to say what is right and what is wrong, until we find out more when humanity technologically advances further. We still have yet to understand what "dark energy" is which could be a possible factor in determining the age of the universe, as of now we are going off of how far the light as traveled (this is my own theorizing, not factual information). Until the human population discovers more, we are only left theorizing for the moment and debating what could be and what couldn't be.
I have. While I personally admire several of the teachings of Jesus Christ, I found truth in Islam, which emphasizes a personal relationship with God that does not require middle men. The idea that God is greater than everything else there is and ever will be makes much more sense to me as a central tenant of faith than worshipping a human being - no matter how great they were.
Sure, there are people who corrupt the central message in this faith (as in all in faiths), but there is an enormous amount of knowledge and goodness in it.
Thank you for this highly inspirational and positive message. Most great ideas are very simple and just need to be broken down to be understood for people to understood them. I like the way Mr. Langan says "parse things out". This is essentially just very calmly and patiently explaining things to people who perhaps just don't understand larger metaphysical ideas/aren't interested in the realm of deep thought (by dissecting language and breaking things down to understand syntax/sentence structure/word origin/what things REALLY mean). Any detractors from Chris' message don't know what they're talking about (he's said nothing logically wrong/ that could in anyway be construed as offensive). People are basically just jealous/envious of people who are on a higher level (i.e. they want what they don't have). The Universe is definitely designed for Good and people do have a specific theic identity within them. As I've grown/learned to differentiate the voices in my head, I've grown more comfortable in my own skin and become able to distinguish between my inner voices that I hear (ex. Jehovah's voice/ my own speaking voice/ conversating telepathically with others).
Aside from Chris Langan's exceptional ideas I need whoever's running this chanel's playlist. The background music is so calming and soothing
So the individual serves as a witness to their own world perspective. Interesting idea, i will have to process the implications further. It also places a much higher emphasis on the importance of faith and who we are within that faith.
well put
Not faith .... belief. We are to give Godly testimony. That is the purpose of human life. Mankind's growth recycles itself to a higher and higher level towards God and Heaven on earth.
It’s ordained through God’s will. Life and the creation of life is all around us.
The interactions from the simulation that we are in helps build the realm that we came from.
The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself. - Carl Sagan
Nice to hear a reflection of my own thoughts in a different form.
The God self-evolving concept makes me view history and biographies differently now... I wish you’d do a video on any well documented historical event and breakdown the telic factors that had to occur in order for it to happen.
That would make for an interesting discussion. Chris is a bit of a history buff. Great suggestion!
Yes that's a brilliant idea
@@CTMURadio I like how you used the fountain as a backdrop to this. What are Chris's thoughts on that movie? if he's seen it.
This one is a fan-made video. I've never seen or heard of the movie until you mentioned it, although I have watched all of Fares' videos here on the channel (he made the first 25/30 and gave us the channel). It looks like a nice movie and Chris and I will definitely watch it!
@@CTMURadio I watched it with tears running down my face for most of it (out of a sense of beauty not sadness). But good thing to remember while watching it is that every line is seemingly a metaphor. It's a very very special film.
Obviously Langan's perception and articulation are vastly more comprehensive than mine, but I've discussed this subject at fair length in the past as well.
One conclusion that I reached was that *We are Nature's consciousness.*
By nature, Nature is unconscious, because consciousness is the result of the animating source (God, spirit, soul, etc.) interfacing with the material neural network (brain, spine, nervous system, etc.), in the same way that light is the result of electricity (animating source) interfacing with the bulb's filament (material element). *Consciousness is the light produced by the application of spirit to body.*
And so, *Through our eyes Nature takes her first look at herself.*
Through our consciousness of Nature, Nature becomes conscious of herself. And she likes what she sees. Much like a female in front of a mirror, our compulsion to explore and discover every aspect of the universe - from the smallest particles to the largest celestial bodies - is her desire to see more of herself.
Racial Consciousness interesting, thank you for sharing that, it was quite enlightening.
This light bulb analogy you brought up especially.
The way our soul, mind and body connect.
The connection of these forces activates something essential.
So essential it far exceeds our capacity of understanding and could be so far removed from who and what we are that it’d be impossible to correctly conclude said purpose.
We may very well be the catalyst to something important for this higher being we call God.
Much like sperm swim towards the egg in order to fertilize it.
The sperm has no mind of its own, even if we told this sperm why it needs to get to the egg and how it serves such an essential function for us, it wouldn’t understand a thing, there’s also no need for us to try and communicate with this thing at all. It lacks the capability to understand, to think even.
We just need it to “do what it does”.
The way we live. The way we “do”. Might very well fuel this greater force we call God.
Like the sperm fertilizing the egg. We may never understand here and now what it is we are engaging in but it could be to serve an incredibly important purpose that simply exceeds our ability to ever hope to concretely locate or even understand.
What we hope to understand could literally be unfathomable to us.
Imagine trying to delineate to somebody who has and always will be deaf, what sound is.
First off , they wouldn’t even hear your description, even if they could, what we would be describing would be so foreign and unimaginable to this deaf person that it wouldn’t compute.
It’s a sense that they lack.
Perhaps the senses required of us to understand our purpose have yet to be brought into reality.
We need to transcend what we currently are to experience these new senses. Like a caterpillar morphing into a butterfly.
Perhaps death, is the mechanism by which we transcend this life into a deeper, more complex and meaningful one. Closer to God.
What we are experiencing right now might just be the sorting process.
How we should call you, Racial consciousness is rather long, Racist is easier and faster to pronounce
@Henry wirklich? Aber doch, es ist schon ein Vogel im dein Kopf
Beautiful answer, brother, and it would explain our need to experience beauty and the act of becoming enraptured by its awesomeness
So now u have 201 iq
Using this concept, could you imagine what Heaven would be like? You don't have to be genius to get there. A place full of incredibly sincere and devoted beings.
No , heaven isn’t a place
I see the universe as evolving intelligence to the point that organic beings within it can explain how the universe itself came into being, as it is not obvious that the universe would know such information, having being built from "bits" of information incapable of any memory of that primal era of development. A baby left on a doorstep doesn't know his parentage, someone must do the research and tell it. Sentient life is that researcher, and the universe is that baby.
No, reality is consciousness.
You’ve been me and I’ve been you and we’ve been everyone that’s ever will exist.
Would love to see Chris converse with Tim Freke- especially to do one of his "What is Life?" Series would be wonderful
This helped a lot to put another puzzle piece together.
Life is an intelligence/morality test.
nO IT'S FUCKING NOT!
@@zippydodahquirk9039 for sheltered first world brats
@@zippydodahquirk9039 Indeed it does
@@excalibirb9204 Crazy how it was a series of sheltered first world brats that led humanity out of the dark ages and into the scientific light, specifically using morality as the tool.
@Shteena S. Sliggnits but you could say the same about separating good from bad. You could say i know 5 people who are good because they generally don't behave bad and i know 5 people who are bad and generally don't do good. This theory that everything is just the same down the middle split 5050 is ridiculous. I know of people who generally fit the description of benevolent humans vs congenital Satanists.
This reminds me of Hebrews Chapter 4, except that there the author gives us more clarity about God’s love and empathy for us.
Dont try to sneak organised religion in here we are trying to have a serious factual discussion. Ps; Hebrews Ch 4 was written by the Sumerians waaaaaay before the bible was even thought of.
@@nickacelvn what the sumerian wrote was factual discussion also based on logic and natural sciences as well
@@nickacelvn stop.
He's right but there's more to it than that. God sees us become selfish in the spiritual world and knows when we want to experience relationships outside of complete knowledge and bliss. Our ignorance is born from being in this body and the challenges we face cannot be overcome or learned unless in this state. Ultimately He is the enjoyer who witnesses these developments and we trick ourselves by being convinced it's all about us. It's our own selfishness which brings us here and the lesson is to reunite with Him through complete understanding, but we remain selfish and the pattern continues. God's playground for His pets. You are living in His Energy. The evolution continues. Limitations occur in the material world but cannot be experienced unless within it. What is your end game ?
What he just described is what he views his own purpose to be, which is to understand everything, and then he proceeded to project his own sense of personal purpose onto what "God wants" the universe's purpose to be. Only problem is that such a projection onto a "God" that doesn't change, ever, is that God wouldn't have any desires one way or another since God doesn't change one way or another.
A better description for the purpose of the universe would be that since God is that which never changes and is eternal, then the only thing that God can't do IS change, and so the universe exists to complete the circle and allow for things which do change.
the meaning of life is literally on youtube.
and it has 29k views
Hahahaha exactly
i think nowadays people have already accepted thier fate and just want to make the best of this world in whatever way they enjoy which is totally understandable but selfish and messed up in some situation like people that take pleasure doing criminal acts and making others lives shit
how unfortunate is it that the video of the world's smartest man explaining the meaning of life has its audio obscured by editing
That is your interpretation. The audio enhances the meaning for me.
Thank you very much for your always informative knowledge and the fact that you share your gift I find quite advantageous for anyone who listens and tries to understand! God bless you and your family my friend
The universe is in an eternal state of perfecting itself.
Correct!
What comes to my mind. Perhaps,....Perfection cannot exist, without imperfection. God is perfection. For God to exist, we must exist. We are imperfection.
This is very similar to how Alan Watts viewed the cosmos when he said:
“Everyone of us is an aperture through which the whole cosmos looks out. It’s as if you had a light covered with a black ball. And in this ball are pinholes. And each pinhole is an aperture through which the light comes out. So in that way everyone of us is actually a pinhole through which the fundamental light - that is existence itself - looks out. Only, the game we are playing is not to know this. To be only that little hole which we call me, my ego, my specific John Jones or whatever. If we can maintain at the same time the sense of being this specific John Jones with his role in life and know also underneath it that we are the whole works… you get a very marvelous and agreeable arrangement. It gives one’s life a great sense of joy and exuberance - if you could carry on these two things at once. In other words, if you know all the theories and predicaments of life is a game.”
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Basically the message behind the story The Egg
The fact that he starts from the position of assuming that the true conception of God must be compatible with all world religions, proves that he is if not disingenuous, then simply looking to unify all religions (a kind of syncretism) for emotional or aesthetic reasons. He is in a sense saying that no one religion is any closer to a ground truth than any other, which is logically impossible if there is such thing as "the truth of the matter". Sounds to me like he's peddling relativism but dressing it up in attractive spiritual language.
I've also heard him tell one of his patreons on a call that it's possible to communicate with the dead, which sounds to me like he's coming dangerously close to being a guru of sorts; someone who doesn't have any qualms about just telling people what they want to hear.
I know there's more to Langan than what I mentioned above, but to me he's a very mixed bag. No doubt intelligent (as his interview with Steve Patterson demonstrated), but he asserts way too many things without even a shred of evidence, and never concedes that he might be wrong.
Lumitopia yup u might be right too since his life was made by every obstacles uve know in life . broke,dropped out from collage , got discriminated , no one believed:(
I have a hunch he's simply relying on the relative ignorance of everyone else. Even the most intricately complex concepts can be put into simple language by people who understand those concepts. Being the CTMU is his own concept, he should be able to easily explain it to his critics. He instead attacks the critics themselves rather than pointing out where they are actually incorrect. I am still unable to clearly understand his concept in such a way that its an undeniable proof or unifying theory. A cool idea, certainly yes, but not a self- relevant proof of anything as far as I can tell. Its artistic at best.
A fallacy underlies your claim; perhaps if your mental faculty was less diminished than proper comprehension could be derived-clearly you don’t possess.
A truer concept of "God" isn"t compatible With ANY estsblished religion! "God"is not some Divine male personality;our concepts of what a personality is-is FAR too Limited to squeeze any of Its reality into that get it? Good. We as humans are"nt intelligent enough to understand this eternal multidimensional creative undefineable phenomena at Our present stage of Development. Religious descriptions of "God" are more like fairy tales and childrens stories than anything else and its utter NONSENSE.
Absolutely fascinating....wow
Christopher Langan. I asked God the question (and i really meant it) As a devout practising atheist.
I wouldn't be lying if I said. You better be strong and ready for "that" kind of answer.
Now I have no doubt.
Please elaborate more. You have no doubt in what?
I doubt you are a practicing atheist and if you are, you are not good at it. You spelled "God" with a capital g. Atheist don't do that.
“Devout practicing atheist” lol wtf does that mean?
Thanks for posting
While I agree that the most likely explanation of God resides somewhere within a concept of pantheism, where God is a self evident and self explaining, I disagree about the idea of an essential purge for the purpose of God’s evolution.
This idea produces a very strange moral dilemma, where the objective morality that undergirds our reality is carried out in a fashion of hit or miss by God that cannot be determined in any given circumstance. For example, a baby that dies from a disease and a murderer put to death are indistinguishable as being a purge from God, which results in the problem of an incompetent God, a malicious God, or a moral system where there’s an equal justification for a baby and murderer dying. This often turns the self evident nature of God into a theological buffet, everything good that happens is God and a miracle, everything bad that happens is not of God.
The theory also presupposes that life and death, as concepts, have a terminal meaning, versus merely a redistribution of matter across a system to fall into different patterns. Is it not more likely that the Ego, and therefore the spirit, is simply a particular pattern contained within the larger pattern of the universe? It seems to me that all death really is, is a transitory period of a particular pattern that composes the Ego back into a bunch of other systems, as when you die the only thing that doesn’t truly remain on a fundamental level is the specific pattern, within the specific pattern is all the specific neurological pathways that ultimately define your ego as separate from the external world, all those pieces within that pattern is redistributed out to attach and reform other patterns. This follows the same logic that explains how the death of stars lead to the red color in our blood, the death of the star wasn’t a terminal end to the star but instead a transitory period of the star to continue on as the iron in our blood that gives blood it’s red color.
My idea of where exactly moral system arise actually comes from a simpler predictive pattern that was created by God, or the collective self with the birth of the Universe, this idea allows from free will, as conscious beings can deviate from the predictive pattern. This also allows for an emerging objective morality, as the moral system is evolving and transitioning over time but at any given time is reflected in a particular pattern, so there cannot exist a true and eternal doctrine of moral values because the system itself is changing over time and requires the conscious beings within the system to intuitively deduce that pattern at any given moment and pay very close attention to the system to discover the essential will or predictive pattern of morality that lies below reality.
This theory in accordance with contemporary scientific theories about the infinite space and time theories of the universe would produce a result where each Ego would essentially reform, as well as existing as all other things at some point within the cycle of the universe. This would mean any existential fear of death you have isn’t really warranted, as you’ve already died and been born an infinite amount of times as all things in all places at all times, so if you are akin to the life you currently live, do not fear, when you close your eyes for the last time, you will also open them again for the first.
Yooo -- this sensor thing -- if I'm understanding correctly it's basically that God is using humans as a lens with which to view Himself (in order to make judgements on what part to keep) -- it made me think of the idea prevalent in many teachings like Buddhism and Christianity that tells you not to develop preference/not to judge. It would make sense that this would be so that you can have a clean/unbiased perspective that God could more effectively use. Is that kinda the thinking? Just discovered CTMU and it seems like it could be approaching truth!
Truth about what? if you get in to this , it's just proof that you are a gullible person about to get conned by a rat.
God being judgmental, that just sounds as bolocks, it's not God who is deciding what's right or wrong, it's we humans who project this nonsense onto God.
Same as humans claim that God made us into His image, we created God into our image and in doing so we distance our selves from the God.
The more ideas, thoughts, knowledge we have about the God, the further away from God we are
Does anyone know where I can get a hard copy of CTMU book?
@@jonathanmize5626 Hi, I'd like to know if you're an student of the CTMU.
@@josyfalcon5442 Hey there! I am an avid student of the CTMU. I've actually written 2 books on the subject-- "God versus Language" and "Tractatus Logico-Syndiffeonicus".
@@jonathanmize5626 Oh man, I didn't know it was you. Yes, I read the first one, and I'm hoping to read the second one soon. Just a little question, do you know if Langan is aware of your books, and if so, what is his opinion of them?
@@josyfalcon5442 Awesome! Mr. Langan has congratulated me on the books, but he hasn't read or reviewed them yet. He has said he will likely read them at some point though
Jonathan Mize well congratulations on finishing your book and I hope it’s grabs the readers by their teeth lol.
Can we get Chris on Joe Rogan ?
So basically he's saying God isn't yet perfect, but seems to be in the pursuit of perfection. but whats it all for? And what happens when he's fully purged all the unwanted parts of himself?
And then, why he is god, if he is not perfect
No, God is perfect, He created the notions of perfection and imperfection, he created the Time ans the Space, so thé concept of thé perfection is a perception for us that had been created by God.
God's simple purpose is to just expand and grow and grow never ending bliss and love . All souls have infinite time to return to God
God is perfect and is God
He isnt in pursuit of perfection he realizes himself and manifests in perfection
@@CosmoCreed It's only humans that have the idea of perfection.
God needs nothing to conjure sensory perceptions since God created all forms of perception. The need for an external entity to verify and collect sensory input is null due to the facilitator of all creation constructed all. However we are creatures of choice which God has demanded in accordance with conscience and law that of which God himself established. This existence on earth is both a minute prison a place of refinement through test and tribulations. Simple as that.
Very well stated.
How would you cure cancer? Just wondering, thanks
Physical death cures every physical malfunction effecting our consciousness.
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What is the purpose of Marvel universe?
Mr Lordi for fun
@@harrisonb9911 NO IT'S FUCKING NOT!
ROFL this comment section man😭🤣
@@colin0516 shut up!
"There would be no purpose whatsoever without them" always keeps me up at night. What is Chris saying...that everything has to have a purpose because otherwise it wouldn't be here? I get it and I know Chris knows but is it possible that aspects of Gods "purpose" are hidden to Chris-- on our level?
What is Langan's view on the concept of redemption and salvation? Does he view Christ as the Bible describes - the word made flesh and his life and death being a sacrifice for the sins of humanity, one in which God's demands in the moral realm are met? If so, then through some union with Christ, can God manifest a real change in a sensors actions that would otherwise not occur by that sensors own unconnected (in the sense of being outside of this salvation in Christ) free will?
Dear brothers n sisters, Greetings with Love Joy n Peace. The highest redemption that our Perfect, Elder brother, Imanuel, revealed to us is in the book of, ST. John chapter 17 . This is where it has recorded, Imanuel, asking GOD (our Father n Mother ), to make us one with each other, even as he and GOD are one ! Then another verse in this chapter, states = Make them one with US even as we are one ! WOW ! ! ! When you start to realize that we have been made ONE with Iman and GOD our Parents, then you shall begin to realize that you can love, even as he commanded us to Love. For didnt Iman say , = Love even as I have Loved you ! Now I ask you, How could we Love like GOD, unless we are part of GOD ? Isnt it Family ? When one has children , aren't they part of them ? Many Blessings !
@@robertchilds2512 Interesting point, very nice.
I felt the God we can get God if we trust him he is a superior power
I hope you see my comment - you said before God is Perfect - why does he "need" things then? Like why does He need to evolve? Does it not contradict the idea He is Self Sufficient, Omni Omni? I so much hope to get clear view on thisssss
God "needs" thing like anyone else who needs or wants to accomplish things on this plane. He has a plan and to accomplish that plan, he needs human beings to cooperate. If we reach a critical mass of non-cooperation, God would withdraw himself from our plane and that would be cataclysmic process.
What criteria does God use to determine who will be antithetical?
What was the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice according to CTMU?
He shows us the "Way" (teleologic living). Please see the videos on Jesus at this channel.
"What is the purpose of the universe". . . .Starts with a Budweiser Commercial
I'd love to see langan do a Bible study.
ua-cam.com/play/PLjqVqbLn1lvP1UaM6IQBNCFq-egx9IL4q.html
Just proves a high IQ doesn’t mean you can’t get a big topic totally wrong. His ideas are founded in nothing.
Omg youre not the only one that thinks this! I had to explain to a bunch of people the same thing but was brushed off as a hater.
I don't think his ideas are wholly unfounded. Part the reason he pushes the idea of a personal God is the fact that any metaphysical theory of reality must explain (1) why the universe assumed a specific form (if no multiverse exists), and (2) the existence of human consciousness/free will (if you are among those who agree consciousness constitutes a legitimately unique property of the universe, and if you think free will is a legitimate property).
These ideas - the possibility of there being no multiverse, the possibility of "consciousness" not merely being an illusion but some basic phenomena that is somehow different from physical objects, and the idea of "real free will" existing - are not settled issues at all and the idea of them being real phenomena that are non-deterministic and non-physicalist is legitimate in the relevant intellectual communities. Langan's ideas (CTMU) and inferences about the nature of metaphysical reality are based on certain views that address these issues; if these views are true, then the universe must be a certain way, and that certain way is the CTMU. I don't agree that his CTMU is correct necessarily, but I'm prepared to grant him that if those positions are true, then his CTMU is probably an excellent theory for explaining them.
@@McZipline he is not doing a very good job of explaining it if there is any truth to it
Where exactly is he getting this information from? He is telling you what God is doing and what he wants? How does he know any of that? And how is this any different from the typical Christian prosletyzing or apologetics? I'm genuinely curious.
Chris often works from first principles but he is also very well-read and builds on the work of great geniuses and philosophers. He doesn't hesitate to credit them, as well as some more current, in his papers (at ctmu.org). Thanks for your interest!
Why Is God a Tautology ? I would like to better understand this aspect I am very grateful to you!Is there a relationship between Wilber’s integral transpersonal vision and the CTMU?
he is a god, because he is a god. In other words. He is almighty, therefore he created everything and himself..
Interesting!
We all fall short of the Glory of God, that is why Christ was sent to reconcile us with God
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don't Advertise man, let people find him.. it makes it more real which it is, he don't need Y-front advertisers
where do you get these?
So, when There is nothing more for God to see through my eyes, that is the end of life for me?
Do"nt listen to such utter nonsense an stop listening to this 200 iq moron!
Yes. So, it's better to have drama in your life.
almost but its bigger than that . include free will and morals and keep going
It's about time we remove the "awe" aspect which makes us subjugates of god but instead replace awe with affinity - we don't want distance, we want closeness ...
God is the consciousness of the universe!
so if i made a statue out of clay i am then its conciousness?
Dracula The problem with what you said is that you're limited to what you can create, you're only local.
@@archangelknights1422 well i guess your are right in your perspective but i dont think God is bound to the universe more than a thing he built and expect it to do good like if we build a table ourself and expect it to be sturdy and if it isn't of course we'll be a little dissapointed but then well just burn or trash it and make a new more sturdier one.
Dracula That's if you allow your creation to have free-will, free-will allows people to do good and evil, depending on the individual. But because we are limited and local, we're still not able to perform such act.
@@archangelknights1422 we HAVE free-will what are you a cat or a dog i mean how are you limited to doing good its not like you have to make an extra effort to be good like speaking takes the same energy whether your lying or telling the truth you are just moving your lips and tongue. We aren't that Limited like what else do you want magic and waifus...dont push all the Blame on God,nature or whatever for not being able to do a little good.
Nonsense. There is no separation between god and sensor.
God is certainly not gender specific and it's not trying to figure itself out.
God is simply the act of creation.
Period.
God has no other moral than to exist.
Why isn't he in Davos?.....
The world needs to change.... And it WILL.
Makes me think of neural networks
what about people who don`t believe in God, what is the purpose of the universe for those people?
Their purpose is superficial, like a plant or a rock. Hopefully they won't do too much damage before they die, and hopefully they will die (or come to Jesus) quickly, because more godless full-grown humans are not needed.
@@CTMURadio so you want 15-20% of the worlds population to die because for them there is no sign that there is actually a God that watches over us, this is pure speculation and believe of the Humans that there has to be something greater AND this can`t be everything for us. AND have you ever wondered why there even is a Religon? In the beginning it was mostly to tie or bind together, meaning to get a group of people to stick toghter and work toghter (in tribes etc.) which clearly evolved with time,
I don`t have anything against people to think god is real etc. but until I am proven differently I am skeptical about it,
And to get back to the main point,If the 20% who are Aethists should all die in your opinion and GOD does exist, won`t he loose "expierence" from a different Point of VIew, and should he ever creat another universe without the flaws this universe has shown him, so they would have had a purpose for him, That could be a purpose for those people Diversity, but in generell you will Die, I Will die some day and we all will ask ourself: Was that it? What will be next?
ps: If there are Aliens out there and they don`t believe in a higher existence what is the purpose of the universe for them? just be and be Happy?
Just think of yourself a Toy gifted to a "GOD like beeing" to his birthday he created the Humans and forgot about us as he outgrew us, Yeah we could all be a forgotten birthday gift for all we know.
God does not "evolve"
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. God does not change!
The Universe is not deterministic.
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Its so damn interesting.
Wish he talked living in a simulation like tyson an musk said
He just released a paper on that very subject. Of course, he explains why a finite-simulated-universes theory is logically impossible, because that which does the simulating must itself come from somewhere or be simulated by an even higher level of reality. The Universe, and Reality as a whole, is actually a _self-simulation_, as that is the only ontologically/tautologically sound explanation for "something out of nothing". www.cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/view/867
BTW, this doesn't preclude the idea of our reality being simulated by a higher level, rather it just goes all the way to explaining where all realities/universes must come from.
Yes
In other words, the ultimate "censor", through which God can express Himself to lesser censors, is Jesus of Nazareth, Who is God in the flesh.
We as the "censors" exhibited a malfunction at some point ages ago in what is referred to as the "Garden of Eden"; the central and beginning location of God's censors.
When the malfunction occurred, a solution was needed, but it was only a solution that God Himself could offer.
Jesus lived on the proper frequency, the way a man is supposed to live, with no deviation whatsoever on that frequency. He was murdered and took upon Himself the due penalty for not being inline with the frequency required to be perfect as God is.
What happened was that reality short circuited when Christ died and rose, defeating death (the total shutdown of censors). Death is a side effect of not living on a proper frequency which is the frequency that God intended us to live on.
Now, since death has been destroyed by God Himself on the cross, we the "censors" can freely choose to accept Christ's sacrifice as our sacrifice in order that we may be restored to our proper frequency after our earthly death.
Those who fail to receive Christ's forgiveness are then discarded upon their death. The side effects of this are coming into direct contact with God Himself having lived in opposition to Him, therefore, that censor's systems, molecules; their entire being is expanding and shrinking all at the same; they are being continuously destroyed constantly at an accelerated rate all while still existing in some abstract form enough to being able to experience this fully.
This is the lake of fire and the 2nd death.
The hope here is that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus will be saved. If you want God to save you, turn from your sin and ask Him and he will save you. It is that simple.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.
Hence, If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? No, if it's not preceived. (I.e. no sensor of God present).
Did god really put us individually here or was it just change trow of a dice or maby it was bit of both do ve really have some purpose here individual bases
So we're being used by god for his personal fulfillment...?
Yes. For "Him", there is no higher purpose than teleologic Self-actualization. I'm sure he's disappointed at the crappy job we've done and wouldn't be surprised if he pulled the plug on us at some point.
How does God evolve, if he is almighty, perfect and transcends time ?
Reality is a process; a state of iterative Self-refinement. And yes, time is invariant in respct to God.
The universe is YAHUAH's creation ,his testament to all life .HalleluYAH, amein.
there is no need to personalize this idea, even if most people can't but do it. Why would one assume that "god" has any of ouer characteristics? Do we consist of smaller parts of ourselves or do we consist of cells? You can call it will, or the universe or god. Many philosophers have had this idea, the diffrence they make are between those who view this as a positive (being slaves to the will) or pessimist (rejecting will). I personally would reject it. But most people accept, or love it. Very similar to how this idea carries over to the rest of their lives, they want to be part of something bigger, and in that hope, they fall pray to anything.
How does this dude know any of this?
His iq is beyond phenomenal
Candice Jaid that’s just a statement with no facts. No disrespect intended. But that’s like me saying the sky is blue because it has to be.
Don't believe it your choice 🤣
So, we are the only ones in the universe.
What is the conspance model
The conspansive manifold is the model of spacetime in the CTMU.
makes sense
Power tripping pirate
A lot of what Langan is talking about is ripped straight from the Hindu Upanishads which were written millennia ago. This "invariant universal distributive force" he's talking about is a one-to-one parallel with the Brahman, or any of its ironically variant referents like Narayana, Parabrahman, Ishvara, etc. that all connote the same primordial indivisible and changeless substratum of existence. Even the individual perceiver that he's talking about is identical with the concept of the Atman, or the Jiva, commonly understood as the formless, bodiless "witness" within each living mind that is subject to individual cognition, self-reflection, and the effect of external senses being relayed to it by the gross and subtle bodies, and that is ultimately subject to dissolution in, and unification with, the Paramatman/Purusha/Brahman/universal soul upon the realization of its own nature as not actually distinct or differentiated from anything else in the perceivable world, but rather that it is in fact one with each other individual which are all in turn together unified with the universal cosmic Self.
I'm fully willing to believe that Langan came up with these ideas on his own, but they're nothing new, and to be clear, these ideas fall squarely within the realm of speculative philosophy, and are in no way related to hard empirical science.
I'm sure there is overlap, as absolute truth will underlie those philosophies that embrace it and remain consistent. The CTMU is much more refined and far more advanced than any of them. This does not negate their value.. Thanks for your input!
Except other life forms don't possess the intelligence to make moral decisions on the same level as humans, or for that matter, at all. And humans evolved from other animals and are animals themselves. So the overwhelming amount of life forms on the planet that are not human and do not have the level of memory or capacity for reflection as humans do discredit this theory. Unless you are going to take it into the idea of reincarnation, where life forms are slowly working their way up to the point of human beings based on the capacity for moral decisions assuming free will exists, and plants discredit that.
I would love to find strong evidence alternatives to the neuroscientific evidence of permanent unconsciousness via brain destruction, which goes along with terror management theory-- which goes along the survival drive as the primary drive of action in human beings and goes along with evolutionary psychology theory, which I think is important enough that it will eventually become part of mainstream psychology. We are incapable of comprehending dreamless sleep and incapable of comprehending the time before we were born, so if death permanently mirrors these states like most skeptics or atheists attest to, it is also perpetually beyond our comprehension regardless of our intelligence. Its worth comprehending this and anything else with probability, even if you hate it, dark thought experiments are risky but are also potential sources of massive personal growth.. at least while one is alive.
I try to acknowledge the possibility of probability regardless of the emotional burden, but with that said, I am grateful that I don't know everything for the exact same reason and I think that mystery and study helps one cope with dark probabilities.
what do you mean 'dark possibilities' 😨😰
An anyone tell where are the images from?
Movie called the fountain
Simple Answer: No.
"Reality is the self-identification of god, specifically identifying which parts he wants to keep and which parts he doesn't want to keep."
This means that the origin of the cosmos and life is a one-time event, otherwise god is apparently forgetful. I don't say this to be funny, find the reasoning and conclusion strange.
Not forgetful; eternal.
@@CTMURadio Correct, god is eternal. Creation, on the other hand, is apparently a one-time event because god must identify with present reality. Reality we call the cosmos and life / creation. If it were an endless cycle then god would have remembered it from previous creations. A one-time event doesn't make sense to me given the eternity of god. I find it an interesting conclusion that god learns through self-identification. Rejecting parts, on the other hand, is illogical because that means that god would reject parts of itself. That's how I see it for now, very interesting topics so thanks for posting.
Isn't god selfless and unbiased, therefore loves unconditionally? Otherwise it wouldn't be god.
The purpose of the CTMU is to give you a headache.
It's a nice metaphysical idea and has a lot of philosophical value, but the theory has no scientific value, as it's not testable.
Its isnt PHYSICALLY testable. It is however as mathematically accurate as any relativistic predictions within physics.
@@Ray_Getard42069 "It is however as mathematically accurate as any relativistic predictions within physics."
You're going to have to show this.
@@faismasterx Your going to have to read it. Because it's been in his books for 20 years and no one has refuted it. You just haven't bothered validating your bias'.
@@Ray_Getard42069 I've read it twice and it's all philosophy with a bit of mathematical logic thrown in. You can create and define anything. I can define things in terms of other things that I define and make statements that are true using the terms I've just defined. Here, I'll show you.
A blarg is a bleet that always blorks. Anything that blorks is a blix. If A is a bleet, then it is a blarg and it always blorks. Since all that blork are blixes and since all blork are things that bleet, then all blixes are also blargs. The previous two statements are true, but they are also utterly meaningless.
If you can show that his work represents reality in a meaningful way that isn't bound by his neologisms, then it has value outside of metaphysics. Until then, it's sort of interesting to think about, but has zero utility.
in the image of god therefore any imperfection comes from within and not from the source.
The universe exists unto itself and we are of it. I do not "believe", as Chris does, in a personification of his God. I am convinced that by our own personal perceptions and motivations we make each of our lives what we are. Our actions, environments and situations, both physical and mental, determine what what we perceive as what the universe is. But if some of us want to assign that purpose to a personified God we, of course, can. I simply think Chris's view is highly limited and restrictive, much as in an organized religion.
Well, that throws the infinite universe and probability theory out the window. "An open mind says, what?!" *crickets* Just an FYI, just so you know and maybe, just maybe you might understand that God or god, how ever some people want to spell it, is not an organized religion. I take that you never done LSD before?
As stated in Billy Madison, "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
I dunno dude I still think if god is all powerful and all knowing he wouldn’t have problems
Problems? What do you mean. Lol
is ur pfp antinous? thats gay af
Janko well U.D.F. explains it though
Ronald Vasquez
What does it say?
And if you think, You’ll find your Way to god After your death, Why Wouldnt you end it Even earlier to reach him faster. Theories Are theories for a reason. Logically incontrovertible or just poetically Utopic.. it doesn’t matter, when the own hypocrisy or the fear of non-compliance for the theory and therefore the Personal dichotomy stands in the way..
Why is God against globalism?
Self-determination is the teleologic pathway.
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How can God evolve if he isn't subject to change? If he is subject to change then he isn't a single identity. If there is a permanent part and a changing part, how do they join? Impossible. Langs God suffers the same flaws as the ancient Hindu's. Rejecting nihilistic physicalism, AND eternalistic theism, find rest in ultimate reality beyond all conceptual elaboration, indistinquishable from the nature of your own mind, luminous emptiness which very essence is compassion.
yes ray
Id say it must be a paradox like everything. From one perspective god is complete, but since variation is infinite them it never reaches completion in another sense.
I am now smarter tham chris. Someone please give me the crown lol
Such bullshit. What about the still born baby what was his test?
There was a book printed in 2001 that says all this. Idk when this guy came out with this but someone else already talked about this in extreme detail. “Masters of Shamballa” by Schuster.
Chris first developed the CTMU in the 1980's. Publication was limited to journals within the ultra-high IQ community. It wasn't until 2002 that the CTMU was published in a peer-reviewed Journal.
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high IQ does not save you from being a charlatan. It might even make you more susceptible to it.
You are entitled to your opinion but (Opinion) it’s not base on facts or evidence. So, your opinion is useless to anyone who disagrees but yourself and who ever agrees with you.
@@ronaldvasquez6488 It's based more on fact that Christopher Langan's ridiculous theory, that's for sure.
@@ronaldvasquez6488 An opinion isn't "useless" just because you disagree with it, wth.
This is absolutely on the money. Chris Langan is in my opinion a complete charlatan with his CTMU work.
lmao some random guy on youtube comments take on the highest iq guy in the world. Hmmm i think ill go with the youtube guys take and stop listening to the 200 iq guy 🤔
Nice
He has a high IQ however does that translate into him being the knower of ALL truths?
So what is Hell? I’ve always struggled with that the concept that a loving God would condemn us for eternity.
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Is that J Lo at the end? =p
Forget Jlo....was that a bald Hugh Jackman?
Lopez scene is from The Cell. Jackman scene is from The Fountain. The Fountain is great. The Cell's plot is stupid, but has some interesting visuals.