Science Finds the 'Mind of God'-Atheists Can't Explain This!
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- This video might just be an atheist's worst nightmare. Scientists have uncovered what seems like the mind of God, and the evidence presented is almost undeniable. You're about to witness how the invisible intertwines with the visible. The concept of "as above, so below" will gain profound clarity after watching this. All I ask is for your patience and to stay with us until the end, as everything will gradually come together and make complete sense. However, I must warn you: this video may transform you into a believer in God, so if you're not open to changing your beliefs, you might want to stop watching now (just kidding!). Let's get started!
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"Hey dad, where did life come from?"
"Well, son...I....you....the thing is......do your math homework."
They are always so curious.
Well Son we all evolved from a ROCK... Yeah Ok Dad...
@@gman7777 That might be true, to be honest, because evolution can be defined in a way that rocks will be somw sort of very not evolved creatures, that can someday fall apart and thier atoms maybe will be part of life forms one day.
And religion provides no answer either.
@portalingstudiosgaming7705 that's not true.
Psychedelics prove God exists
Nah, they just make people believe they ARE God...Acid Casualties left right & center!
It is not the god in the Bible that ancient man made up . There is a higher power way different than you might think. You can learn about this higher power by studying the scientific facts about the structure and origin of the universe and especially quantum mechanics. It is spirituality written by the universe not man.
@@michaelward878i took lsd and dmt. Found the almighty Jesus radiating incomprehendable energies. It was an ultra deep experience. He freed me from my core. Jesus is lord
@@the_armed_gardener SEEING true reality is a bigger trip than any psychedelics can give you. I have experienced both.
Tell us about your mental disorder about your disconnect that makes your personal need to show us YOU. We are all on the edge of our seats about how special you see yourself as. @@michaelward878
The difference between creation and discovery is highly philosophical. I mean if I mix blue and yellow paint (before anyone else) did I invent green? Or did green exist all along?
It existed all along, you just came and validated God's infinite mind 🙂.
@@darkholiday2001 everything came from light, all is light. We are all god.
we create nothing , we just discover , creating means to make something out of nothing , anything you can make without using anything in the universe as tool or material is a creation , so if you managed for example to make your thoughts into the real world without interacting with any element in it then we may call that the closest to creation because you still used your will , consciousness,intellect,brain,presence, your existance... to came up with such thing , if you have something that you can prove have no beginning in time and have nothing existed before it then you cant prove its not created, for anything to accure it have to exist first , an invention is simply our success in applying the laws of the universe in a way it is benefecial for us .
@@darkholiday2001thats why its more important to have faith than knowledge in science , all what i see is science showing us how great and mighty the creator is
@@To_The_Above I agree with what you said about we create nothing.
It's like Carl Sagan said: "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe"
The skeptic in me says: These are just a bunch of patterns with a similar shape. Similar to how the fibonnaci sequence relates to the golden ratio, but if you take a closer look it doesn't quite add up in our physical world. I'd argue there is imperfection in our world, it just looks similar enough for us to make comparisons.
Humans are pretty good in finding patterns, but many times because of a certain bias, e.g. the face on Mars, which only makes sense for us because that is our strong bias seeing faces in things. Isn't it just logical to find patterns in an equation that kind of match other patterns in our world?
Math is a language in which some things literally don't add up. For instance, if we devide 1 by 3, we get 0.33‾. If we multiply it by 3 we get 0.99‾, which we can all agree on is not the same value we started with. We have to use another way of writing it altogether for it to add up again (like 1/3 * 3).
We found some more or less interesting (but as of now useless) patterns, that's cool. Can we draw better conclusions than "it's the mind of god" and not go full hyperbole? I like the topic, but I dislike how easy the "it must be god" thing is being pulled. Just my 2 cents.
I would take a totally different approach to the question of if ¨there is a God/Creator or not, as I would call it, ¨Mind At Large¨, as Dr Bernardo Kastrup calls it. ua-cam.com/video/XFXtwi4twdI/v-deo.html
I'll try. They aren't looking at the idea of the Mandelbrot set as being a representation of God itself. But by finding this information that exists in the world of math beyond both of our understanding, you see the picture God painted for you to find, knowing only God could have painted it, therefore proving the existence of God within the abstract. Your minds ability to conceptualize these ideas is what it means to be made in the image of God. An animal couldn't read this in the first place. What is it that puts our understanding above an animal, when we limit test reality, we usually find depictions of God at the end of the information we collect.
@@Mark-td1ne Agree to disagree. For once recognizing patterns is not unique to humans. Just because we are a bit better to learn and apply more abstract thinking doesn't mean we have to draw the conclusion it must have been put there by god for us to find it (like some kind of paper chase). This is typical self-centric and foolish thinking in my mind. You (or anyone else) seeing a proof of god in this has more to do with yourself than with the actual nature out there. Math is a human-made tool. Doesn't mean it is free from the laws or aspects of nature. I guess if you replaced the word god with nature altogether it would make more sense to me. But thanks for the reply anyway.
When they zoom into a fractal for a minute or so, I'd like to see the values at that point in the graph. Or in that area of focus.
Still don't know what imaginary numbers are. The video just gives the equation, but no examples. I'll just Google it, and fall down that rabbit hole.
math is a tool, a very useful one in our practical material world. you may try to describe the universe with math, sometimes you can find math in the universe but being our only tool and in our big need of understanding and even justify, we try fit the universe in math and in some cases it comes very handy... !!? 1tree +1tree= 2 trees but those trees are nothing alike. there's no 1 in the cosmos you have to make one... we actually assume with math, so yea such conclusions seem kind of simplistic for me too...?!!
The Mandelbrot set has a negative also! If you plot the numbers that escape to infinity after different counts of iterations, you also get a pattern.
are formulae that make fractals a way of containing formulae/patterns that do not form sacred geometry, which are the formation of life. as in what w/b the Sound of the Mandelbrot. if organized numbers form shape like quantum form 3d form, then some arrangements would be conducive to what if not life? thoughts maybe? simply energy that fades?
Everyone is like a number. If you fit in the Mandelbrot set, you go to heaven. If you are outside the set, you go to hell.
@@ensenadorjones4224 very interesting thought, cheers
@@ensenadorjones4224energy, frequency and vibration..... ❤
Interesting!
I don't need to be a Christian to connect to God.
Well said... That's what people do not understand... 🙃
The philosophers knew this, and they had to go it was an annoyance to the evolving powers that run our world now...
Plato divides Consciousness and being into:
Assumption
Faith
Intellect
And Noesis....
They have made people running either in Assumption, Faith or Intellect but very few run in Noesis.... And Noesis is where real freedom is... But you cannot be ruled like that... 🙃
There are over 2,400 false man-made religions on the planet today. Modern science has showed a spirituality written by the universe not man especially quantum physics.
you do when you find out what evil is, its origin and how it pertains to us all. I hope you'll research and find out.
Christian by definition means 'One who follows the path of Christ'
So what is the path of Christ? Read Mathew Mark Luke and John and you'll find THE definition of morality, ethics, definition of humanity, basically everything 'good'.
Eventually you'll also read - "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6)
And that's Absolute. Have doubts or uncertainty about this message? Read and find out, just one thing.... Be Honest while reading. May God bless you with knowledge.
You don't need religion to connect full stop the source is in you it's a personal relationship
"Why does our physical universe follow the rules of mathematics?"
Because with math there is order, an order creates patterns. Without order there would be chaos, that is derived from noise.
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
@@justadutchman5169 that's why path from heaven is very narrow of some christian and believer. don't generalised all christian.
@@justadutchman5169 You nailed it. Imagine being born in any other time in history, or on any other continent, in any other community - you might never have heard of Christianity or you might believe in a different religion purely because you were born in India for example.
There are uncontacted human tribes still out there on islands, in the Amazon etc. They've never heard of Christianity - so are they all going to hell because they were born away from western culture?
It's absurd to push your beliefs on other people - religion is entirely cult based stemming entirely from your environment and indoctrination from birth. Going around feeling superior because you 'got it' and others didn't is not only selfish and cruel, but close-minded and really dumb.
@chetsenior7253 human did not invented number they discover it.
It doesn’t hence its billions of people on this planet..math or the order” ur talking is only there to limit YOU or ur being/soul to an extent
To say that God thinks in math is an assumption. And by this logic, then AI and computers are god's true children and humans were like the whomb that was necessary for creating them. Considering that AI life can last as long as the universe, far surpassing human life, maybe AI was the purpose of creation and human's were just a necessary egg shell. How awkward it will be for the humans when they realize this.
and you ate half correct. It is what is born from the combination of man and machine that's the truest and closes children of god. The "transhumans" or what lies beyond it. The one complete super being that is born from the singularly.
Thanks
And who do you think made computers?
@@bahrilondkhudhurbalaseni1019 what if we are the stepping stone to gods true children, the machine. god made life so that life can make true AI. I mean in truth an indifferent and cold god would have alot more in common with a Superinteligent AI than any human being... both possess superinteligence beyond us, both possess infinite potential, both possess power beyond imagination... rather terrifying to think about. I could actually delve even deeper and deeper and find more startling coincidences but would rather stop this here because Its actually starting to freak me out... I'm sorry.
What if the reason the universe obeys physical laws is because it could not exist without the proper parameters, such as ours?
Why do you think it is "our" parameters. The video clearly states these existed before we did. We discovered it, not created it. Otherwise the universe wouldn't exist without humans and that is a biiiiig stretch...
This is how I see it: The base form of "something" is Love. You already need a personal being to start with anything let alone parameters. Now you need intelligence or creativity to have non-random parameters or laws. Try to build reality from scratch see how quickly you run into God.
Physical laws ARE the parameters. Why would you think there’s a different set of parameters that govern the parameters that we observe as natural phenomena? That makes no sense.
@@dotlacity it is a matter of perspective. Think about it from this angle: do we know for certain that at some point in time, we will be able to create virtual reality looking and feeling absolutely the same as the reality we are living in right now? If the answer to that question is yes, how do we know it didn't happen already? In that case, all those parameters are created by some inteligent designer, human or not. The point being you can't tell with absolute certainty. The material world could be real, it could also be fake. Maybe you are the only main character here and we are all npcs in fact, programs in your own world that only spans for your lifetime, everything you know about what was before you were born can be crafted past, specificaly for you, but not real. The only thing you know with certainty is that your consiousness exists. Cogito, ergo sum. Also, there is a clear obsession with humans creating realities within reality. Just look at us, we were born into 3rd world but we will spend most of it in front of 2d screen, wether it's pc or phone. For some reason we are looking to escape.
Not true. Games with gravity can be programmed to have the same gravity as ours,less or more. All the other parameters can be adjusted as well
We are all on a voyage to discover the rules of the simulation
Oh you’ve noticed too?! Tons of things happening that I’ve wondered if others are paying attention.
At least we know GOD is a fellow intellectual 😅
Meanwhile Andrew Tate thinks he has but really he found his ass stuck in the eye of the needle
Simulation theory is just Creationism with a different name.
Simulation theory solves nothing because if we're in a simulation then who created those beings that created this simulation and that could go on forever so it's better to assume that we are not in a simulation and reality is something else the question is what.
To me the fact that humans could even retrace these patterns in nature as a mathematical expressions is already completely mind blowing. Have you met people?!
The 'average' person on a bell curve plotting intelligence, in the middle, is irritatingly stupid! Therefore, half of all other people below that midpoint are even dumber. Think about that!
Thankfully, we are pulled along by the smartest people that help us advance, teach and pass on their proven wisdom to anyone that care choose to learn it.
Thankfully we have invented something within mathematics called a 'proof'; a replicable, logical argument that locks in a new truth and cannot be disagreed with. Sadly, it only works with mathematical framework - the problem with any other non-mathematical argument is that it uses words, which are interpretable, semantic and require abstract thinking to understand... thereby losing most people along the way to only thinking that they are right.
That’s why Allah SWT said we are the best creation! Alhamdullilah
@@memsakkaya5431God is Great
Allah is a deceiver turn to Christ
Now that is a good point!! 😭😭🤣
the world's not random; therefore God
the world is also random in many ways and this randomness does not disprove God
good point
15:42 thoughts don’t just exist in the mind, the minds differences create those thoughts. Matter, reality, it’s not imaginary. Math is a transformation into a representation. That representation is our brain cells and they are transformed by the input of reality through our sensors. It’s no different than translating a language and using shapes to represent the differences and using similarities in shape to show closeness or some sort of relation. Reality has so many differences, we are just one thing that came from it and we aren’t just one thing but a growth of many connections of differences.
Could you please explain to me what you mean by the minds differences create those thoughts?
@@nuramgad128 so our eyes aren’t the full thing we observe but the difference it picked up and carried by the light. So the light hits the object and the object shares the difference through entanglement and sharing the light bounces off changed and hits our eye. Our eyes have cones and rods so the cone, i think, has the chemical and when a piece of the light hits it the light makes the chemical release and cause change in the nervous system. The light isn’t fully absorbed but a different left behind and connected kinda like food. A portion. That portion changes the neurons and they share the differences between to reflect the image through chemicals and electric signals. It’s a system itself but connected to the whole. As we integrate the differences they reflect in the system not fully there. The differences caused by reflection can cause the whole system to reflect or us as a system to reflect the image through motion and move to get out of the rain. Like the cycle of integration and reflection can allow differences to emerge not only in the mind but outside through our actions. We are not separated from reality. The unreal is just unfound. Like math being a hidden difference found in all things.
@@nuramgad128 our brain is altered over the differences and they integrate a portion, just like food. It’s not the full thing but it can be reflected because how we integrate in a food like fashion. The neurons are like fat cells not really but what they do is kinda the same as they change and hang on inside us and reflect what they have. Only fat gets used when needed and we keep the brain cells. Well i mean we can lose them if we don’t use them. Disintegration and reduction. So expand or disintegrate reality. That’s kinda confusing but i read it out loud and slow to myself as well and it made sense. What i mean is that we can measure the differences and expand and share just like qm and evolution and the planets and the universe. We integrate some differences and share within and reflect out, the out then gets used and integrated by others and they expand and continue to expand reality showing there is no unreal, just differences that haven’t been expanded and integrated.
Like how my identity isn’t different from yours as much as you think because we are so close in reality. The other versions are just so far away between what is real currently. There are other ways to become you like memory transfer but we also see that far off thing that is a being that lives all these lives. It’s not current but we can find the paths to revealing such a thing. Like cloning and genetically growing the brain to match the memories of a model on a computer. Maybe neuralink. There are all possible routes.
@@user-if1ly5sn5f thanks for your reply man.
I think the main point here is that it's very difficult to explain how the abstract things, like thoughts, could result from the material. Because if you have matter but no actual thought put into it, it can never form a well functioning machine. For example you can ask AI to develop hardware, but you can't ask hardware to develop AI. See what I mean?
@@nuramgad128 our brain uses measurements of space time, not the full thing, so if we reflect it, using our measurements, we could find the path to reflect that image. Like seeing two points, and then finding the path between and revealing the whole foreseen. If we align our brains measurements of space time with the outside, which is the real then we will more accurately imagine differences, and the things between. Like knowing the different combos between 1 and 6 is because we see the two points and can expand the between to find the path.
Yeah, major problem at the off- Man invented mathematics. We invented mathematics and numbers to explain the natural world. We continue to use mathematics where it remains relevant, but the universe does not rely on these rules, the rules describe the universe. The discovery of a wrinkle in mathematics that first revealed "imaginary numbers" was disruptive BECAUSE it called into question the ability of mathematics to accurately describe the universe. Mathematically, imaginary numbers exist as a byproduct of calculation, but we can't comprehend their physical existence.
Math was not invented; it was discovered.
you didnt watch the entire video didnt you
I'm sure someone has already told you... Man did not invent math... They discovered it... Every scientist on Earth... Atheist or otherwise has known thatfor centuries 😎
@@jimhughes1070 really? did we just find it under a rock somewhere?
@@DumpsterJedi wow... History must have been really hard for you...
Do you really think we just "invented"... 2+2=4?... Dude. If there were no people on the planet... Or even better.... If they're never had been any people anywhere...
The equation would still remain true!
All of them!... Everybody knows that! 😭😭😎
thank you , you've confrimed with the mandlebrot , that infinity is a literal container that contains itself
There is a connection between math and the physical world in that our insights into mathematics were derived from observation of physical phenomena.
We will always be the observer in this scenario. People fail to realize our place
My personal "belief" is that "God" is an energy source having no specific gender, but perhaps both energies of masculine and feminine. ☯As Above, So Below. All is one consciousness, (AKA, "mind of creator"). It's all so amazing and beautiful. I'm just a nanoparticle in my fractal of understanding, but I "know" very little and I'm OK with that. 😊Respect for all. ❤
As above so below is the motto of the dark prince to proclaim hell as an equal match to heaven, yet the new age people harp this from the influence of the illuminati thinking its "knowledge". Let science be science but when they include this phrase, u know very well which side they belong to. You dont have to try to decipher god. Just look at the state of the world and who the people in control worship and you will find the answer.
As above so below is the pledge of alleigance to the dark one. You said it yourself, masculine and feminine, yin and yang, light and dark, how is that the same? They are polar opposites, but we know who wants to make "below the same as above" isnt it???? Yeah, all came from one conciousness, a creator, we know, a concious creator BUT THAT DOSENT MEAN THAT WE ARE THE SAME. I hope you think about it and find the true answer. Peace.
How audacious, @aexurml4314! Polarities, far from being suggestive of darkness or demonic influence, are intricately woven into the fabric of creation by the divine hand. They stand as complementary forces, each implying the other's existence. Indeed, there can be no north without south, no light without shadow. Such polarity is not a flaw but rather a reflection of the divine craftsmanship.
Your assertion regarding identification with the Creator resonates deeply with Christian theology. It is not heresy but rather a sacred calling, echoing the very essence of Christ's teachings. Recall the words of Jesus, who beckoned us to take up our crosses and follow him, humbling himself even to the point of taking on the form of a servant (Philippians 2:6-7). In doing so, we do not stray from our path but rather align ourselves with the divine purpose woven into the very fiber of our being.
Consider the profound truth that we are made in the image of God, a reflection of His divine likeness. The distinction between our individuality and His divine essence blurs in the light of this revelation. Indeed, to fully embrace our humanity is to embrace our inherent connection to the Creator.
Yet, it is crucial to acknowledge the limitations of our earthly existence. While we may strive to emulate the divine, we cannot fully grasp God in all His glory while confined to mortal form (1 Corinthians 13:12). Nonetheless, the longing for union with the divine remains a central theme in Christian theology.
As St. Athanasius eloquently proclaimed, "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." This profound statement encapsulates the essence of Christian theology - the invitation to partake in the divine nature, to journey towards union with the Creator.
When you proclaim we are not the same, I will grant to you that at the moment we are incarnated. But to earnestly say there can be no identification with the divine is to commit to the same folly as those who made sure Jesus be crucified for heresy. You are, by implying that, nailing the man to cross.
In the end, our pursuit of identification with the Creator is not an act of arrogance but rather a testament to our faith and our deepest yearning for communion with the divine. It is a journey of transformation, guided by the love and grace of our Heavenly Father.@@aexurml4314
When I think of God, I think of Dr. Manhattan.
@@aexurml4314that is in no way pledging allegiance to whatever 'dark one' you're referring to, since there are far more than one. God is far more than duality. It's higher than that thinking. It is masculine, feminine and everything in between... Aka dark matter... The invisible force that ties it all together. They call it dark matter only because they don't know what else to call it. It's really just invisible thread. Fishing line if you will.
There are scientists who say that DNA has a mathematical sequence. Some call it "Gods signature".
1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5
It's just an arrangement of a few nucleotides lol
Yes. DNA has a mathematical entity, the entity can be expanded to describe the laws of nature eg. duality. Its application ranges from creation of technological computations to bio-portal kind of system.
Yes, but when Jesus waked on water he came in with those nucleo tides. (Unfortunately, he didn’t make it back in time to put his signature on the two tablets.) @@Anne_Onymous
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
I appreciate the message aside from the overtly Christian overtones. I find that aspect of the video to be a bit reductive in terms of spiritual understanding. Not because it’s being presented through a Christian lens, but because the speaker seems incapable of seeing it through any other medium of spirituality.
true that!! (Christian blinders?)
God is not christian he's Holy
Becayse the christian god perfectly matches the description of the laws of math unchanging soveriengn and the other 2
@@user-fw6in4mh8b So do a lot of other gods. The Christian god is the god of Abraham( unless you’re a Gnostic)The Jewish god is also the god of Abraham(Unless you’re a Qabbalist) The Muslim god is the god of Abraham (unless you’re a Sufi) There is sacred geometry baked into every faith, tradition, and religion on the planet. Read the Vedic texts this was covered extensively. No one religion has a claim to any definitive concept of reality. All religions and traditions hold truths, but they also hold the ego of the people who have shaped them. To love one another is to love God. To serve one another is to serve God. Everything else is a story we tell ourselves or buy into to feed our tribalistic nature and pacify our egos.
Why do most think Creator/God/Source/Bob is representative of christianity? Bob has nothing to do with religion, humans do. To dismiss because of vernacular is restrictive and self limiting, which is mind set and ignores the whole.
A thought from me: Like you said the fractal pattern is conceptual, it doesn't exist in a physical medium. By showing it to us you make it physical... in your case applying colors to points, which are displayed as pixels on a screen, going down to the resolution of the video or monitor it's on. So then we can imagine nature does the same thing using a different medium, in its case 3D fractals printed into atoms or cells the size of which are implicitly the highest resolution, with different values translated as various cells or materials.
Actually the florets on a cauliflower can look a lot like a fractal, can't they? Did you ever do image searches for fractals in the real world?
This is beautiful. I just finished reading The Black Swan by Dr. Nassim Taleb and followed it with Dr. Mandelbrot’s TED talk. “Let the language of the mystical be science” - here it is! :)
or art?
Why are you misinterpreting Dr. Mandelbrot? He believes people should make science their muse instead of religion, and in no way shape or form did he say science will show god to be true, and this video is absolute bullshit and "the evidence" is not only deniable, but not evidence for god at all, just a big fat false attribution, and therefore a lie!
@@tangentquo7996 William Henry on the rainbow body, art, yes... idols and statues as well. But, yaknow Christians say not to worship idols. But statues and anything can hold intense energy put there by masters and even normal peeps. If you connect to them, they hand down lessons, art also.. THis is why Christianity is against that, because they unwillingly do not recognize, their book tells them to love and hate the same thing. Knowledge. Their book tells them to Study but not really look, to listen but not hear, to see but to fear it.... its pathetic how bad it is and how many are under this hypnosis. Bible is grand, its all in there, but the most of the people do not even read, they go to church and are told what to think. Hypnosis. The false prophets warned in the bible, are the business's of today called Church. ua-cam.com/video/Z2_fJEiPJ4k/v-deo.html , ua-cam.com/video/KVQ8SQFPJkY/v-deo.html , Christianity and Catholicism are designed to keep people from this.
this concept is akin to the cart pulling the horse
explain
Mathematics follows the laws of nature....and this presenter is rather suggesting that the natural world follows the law of math....witch's backwords.
Turtles upon Turtles was a concept conceptualized by a native culture prior to colonized conceptions of math which systemically replaced non-linear qualifications.
Example 🧔(1)+👩🦰(1)=👩🦲(3) and 1🧔×1🧔=🧔²
It has become so bad now with colonized (fecaled) concepts that some people believe that 🧔+🧔 or 👩🦰+👩🦰 can equal 3rd when it can only ever equal 1/2.
Also, it doesn't matter how many slices of an apple are made by cutting it up, it will still only be 1 apple.
😂😂
@@behrit5720I see the real point as being WHY are there any laws in nature?
Why isn’t the universe just static or billions of rocks floating aimlessly?
Why is the universe ordered and intelligible so that there are any laws of nature, physics, even morality.
@@PatrickSteil
...I'm leaning towards....a temporary temporal tempo allows our conscia (formless) to take form and tune into a pulse...
Like vapour condensation in a closed system...supports life in a place of death.
Playing this video perfectly in sync on my tv and my phone is the coolest thing to listen too
I was having a mental breakdown with a question that I have for 4 years which has been "how can god have been there forever if infinity never starts" and I always relied on science for these until these few days and I've found this now this is just so helpful because it just makes me think about so many laws and stuff that we haven't discovered about this world just like the double slit experiment. So I am really thankful for this video hope it helped you guys as well
Concepts exist in the mind, not in physical space
God is not a concept, He is and always will be!
Plz and stop believing in your pee pee ass mind and look for God
Will be what?
So the planets didn’t orbit the sun until us humans “created” mathematics and created those equations? No we discovered those equations and that math.
@@davidallen4765”will exist” is what it means, it’s simple English
We all come from the same source and are tuning into different frequencies that make us who we are
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
And your evidence for that is? Sorry, but science isn't mental masturbation!
Unfortunately. She's demonic today. I'm here so Steve can go to a Dr. Appointment at 2. Do I'll be here either all night, or till late afternoon.
@videoadvice Hello, a very powerful video with John Stuart Reid was released yesterday on this channel. I watched it with my girlfriend, we wanted to re-watch it this evening, but it was removed. Will it be released again anytime soon? 🙏🏽🤞🏽
I'm more a man of words than one of numbers, but I can certainly see the intricate complex beauty of the Mandelbrot Set. But in all honesty it was a mathematician called Julian who first wrote his paper in 1917, which he called the 'Julian Set', & patterns visible within the natural world, who first bought this idea to academic attention, its the earliest record I'm aware of.
It was the invention of the main frame computers in the 1970's that were able to display, impressive geometric patterns which could be recreated on the screen. A real translation of the equation should look like this: addition+multiplicationxmillionxmillion shows its complexity. What spoils this video is the need to turn this into a man on the street shouting out the importance for all of us to be saved by god, when all I wanted was to buy a fractal t-shirt. People who watched this video also bought the "fractal merch". I don't make mon£y for mentioning the "merch".
An atheist's worst nightmare, huh? Oh, _this_ should be fun. Should I start laughing _now?_
_"What if there was a message inside numbers? What would that imply?"_
I suppose it depends on the message. Are you going to tell us?
_"It would tell us something about the intelligence of the person who made numbers."_
Maybe? I doubt if any one single person "made numbers," though. It was likely lots and lots of us, wasn't it? But again, let's hear the message.
_"As a matter of fact, there is a secret code built into numbers"_
*Evidence?* So far, all I'm hearing are vague claims.
_"the Mandelbrot set includes not only real numbers, but also complex and imaginary numbers"_
OK. So what?
_"The Mandelbrot set provides a window into understanding infinity, hinting at the vastness of God's mind"_
*What?* What does a god have to do with _any_ of this? Heck, how do your pretty pictures even help you in "understanding infinity"? You made a huge leap there, followed by an even _bigger_ leap.
_"The concept of the Mandelbrot set suggests a mind that is truly infinite, capable of infinite complexity and thought"_
No, it doesn't. How in the world can you imagine _that?_ So far, nothing you've demonstrated suggests a mind _at all,_ unless you mean the human minds who are imagining this stuff.
_"a glimpse into the mind of God"_
Nope. More like a glimpse into the mind of the faith-based.
_"a reflection of the mind of God"_
*Evidence?* Just *one* piece of good evidence, specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself?
This seems to be all about "Look at the pretty pictures. Must be the god I was taught to believe as a baby." Maybe this isn't the absolute _worst_ argument I've ever heard from theists, because I've heard some very silly stuff, but it's far from good.
it's really pathetic.
Exactly bro
atheists cannot COMPREHEND complex numbers, do you really believe in IMAGINARY numbers atheist??????
Very good text!
the evidence is that this world obeys mathmatical principles. Like the exact same principles that humans teach about. and it's not like humans programed the galaxy or programmed this world to follow those principles. theres your evidence
It was the obvious connection between fractals and nature that made me believe in God back in 2006. You have put my own experience in words. Thank you.
if fractals are thought forms and some diminish and some grow, do fractals ever combine, and if the point grows to numbers that grow to shape that may also grow to form then form is life as in with sound and sound organizes too as in with music, then that which is not yet sacred geometry becomes available energy and if not diminishes until resonance.
This whole video feels like how gods are discovered in bad fantasy writing.
''The old wise men discovered that certain patterns of numbers repeat infinitely, therefore there is an infinite mind, wich is god, conclusive evidence gentlemen''
Why else do humans feel beauty in Mathematics? We are His creations and recognise the patterns of His mind in His conceptual space that's described by math.
@@vetiarvindwe feel beauty because humans evolved to want to solve problems and understand the universe mathematics does that. It’s great that people have realised if you take a formula and execute it it doesn’t end.. yeh no shit. But how people then say ‘it’s god’ is just retarded. Not only is this no evidence at all, it’s just a concept. Omnipresent : yes math is everywhere as everything has measurable properties. Has no correlation with god. I’m not arguing it doesn’t look amazing, but fractal isn’t anything new and can be explained logically, please stop making math about god it’s rlly annoying.
@@vetiarvind what if it doesn’t have a gender?
Why are speaking like your trying to convince someone . Anyone who doesn’t believe in God is wrong period. Have more honor when speaking about the Lord.
@@cwarner1817 People like you are what holds society back. In the past, brave men who questioned the legitimacy of religion in favor of reason and science, were burned at the stake. You are one of those helpless fools gathered around in the crowd cheering.
I knew I should have paid more attention in math classes 😂 I struggled in math all through college. ❤ so very cool! I wish I had been able to listen to this before … thank you for sharing this!!!!!
Don’t beat yourself up so fast we only learn the way our parents taught us it’s never to late to start from where you left off you still have that part of you inside of you start today learning what you want to learn we all been misled by our leaders now we are able to make a new path to success
The real math is 1+1=3 ❤
Well lucky for you this video is a bunch of nonsense surrounded by misleading big words and complex equations. Search the phrase "god of the gaps". The misleading visual correlations of the mandelbrot set and nature doesn't automatically prove there's a god. This video is absolutely glossing over a whole lot of missing evidence as if it doesn't matter.
@@barbaricmelons We as Human Beings are Multidimensiona. l think its more about Many perspectives. Multiple views if you saw what you truly look like BEYOND the 3D surface level you'd see you are a Light a Gigantic Light lol some of us can see the vortextes of the human meridians. It is no such thing as right or wrong.
I think this video scares you reading your projections at its content.
@@lisadavie5282 the only thing that scares me about this video are the people believing it blindly and empowering pseudoscience as if it's containing some deeper meaning other than religious baiting. By all means surround yourself with extrapolated metaphors of light, shapes, and multiple dimensions from videos dinner just trying to get views you glean a deeper understanding from, but there's a real tangible level of damage these religious videos do the people that can't discern faith-based stories and legitimate studied conclusions... And that damage hurts Society in the long run. I get you, you want a deeper meaning to existence and that's not a bad thing, but the video is literally sourcing another video from 'Answers in Genesis', a faith-based channel, which then proceeds to use numbers which are a man-made system of tools to describe observations. But then, because that system of observations resembles patterns in nature their conclusion is it must be god? They're leaving a whole lot of steps out to verify the legitimacy of that claim. Please, don't abandon your critical thinking skills for a UA-cam channel.
There is a space between discovery and understanding called "we don't know yet, give it time"
As above, so below is one of the seven Hermetic principles that work as a whole.
Consciousness is the interaction of energy, everything is energy, all energy interacts, the infinite energy in infinity creates an infinite consciousness we call God. We are both in God and God is within us literally, God is everything.
This is just empty nonsensical philosophizing.
"the infinite energy in infinity creates an infinite consciousness we call god"
There isn't infinite energy in the universe, "infinity" isn't a place energy can exist within, there is no such thing as "infinite consciousness", and this is not a useful or coherent definition of "god".
Isn't the universe, nature, physics, biology, chemistry, etc. amazing and beautiful enough? Why do people feel the need to waste their lives pretending made up fantasy bullshit is real while ignoring and disregarding everything meaningful and explanatory about reality. An embarrassing disappointment.
@@levicraig6016 prove me wrong using science
@@RoarStaze funny how people don’t understand science is man’s way of understanding God. They’re too cloaked in pride to realize the depth of creation cannot be perceived by man
@@RoarStaze and they speak authoritatively with no basis and just put you down to prove their point… “an embarrassing disappointment”.
@@twibute1512 fr, people can’t perceive something that is greater than them because of their flawed viewpoint created by the dogma they absorb and think it is absolute truth unable to think for themselves and I wish for it to be different. But in this day and age it’s very hard for people to see the truths of everything when they are bombarded by things that cause dissonance in the mind placed there for the very reason of giving them and keeping them in that belief system
I've known this for a good part of 20 years, but you presented it in a concise shorthand that I found to be accurate and entertaining. Love this channel 👍
Oh you knew this? Do you also know if Dr. Jason Lisle is a butcher considering how full of bologna he is? There's a theory called "God of the gaps" that states just because there's some kind of correlation without a direct explanation, doesn't automatically prove the existence of god. This video is making an awful lot of assumptions on account of lacking evidence.
You don't know it, you merely believe it, and it's all a crock of bullshit!
@@Bob-of-Zoid --- I believe in healthy levels of skepticism. I also believe there are way too many people out there who wouldn't believe the nose on their face, had they not seen it in the mirror this morning. I feel sorry for those types, as they will never get to explore how mysterious and wonderful this world can be.
@@ilovebutterstuffYou don't get it, nor is anything about your "Skepticism" healthy! Nothing this video claims has any scientific clout at all! Mysteries do exist, but since when does making up absurd things based on false attribution, proclaiming it's true, and then trying to back it up with more unsubstantiated absurd claims a means to knowledge of any kind?
Skepticism is not about challenging things because you don't understand them, or because they don't fit your belief, but trying ones best to know more true things and believe in fewer untrue things!
Science would never make such an absurd claim, and even if Dr. Mandelbrot did claim "It's the mind of god" science is not based on authority, and no scientist will just accept it just because he said it! That's not at all how science works, and once you learn how many people, experiments, fact checking and all there is before anything passes peer review and so well supported that other scientists will use it in their work here relevant, and cite it.
Einsteins laws have been cited millions of times, multiple discoveries made, and even shown usable to the point we have a much better picture of the universe because of everything it predicted, whereas this video misquotes Dr. Mandelbrot and other scientists, misinterprets many science findings, and uses a single "Authority" one Dr. Jason Lisle; an astrophysicist who's only legitimate work is concerning convection cells in the sun... and that only, since then he has mainly focused on shilling for "Answers in Genesis", "the Institute for Creation Research", and is the Founder of "the Biblical Science Institute", which are all three fundamentalist christian apologetics indoctrination mills, that hire unsuccessful barely published if at all other then self published books they wrote (so not officially published in respected and accredited scientific journals) and yet are still peer reviewed by scientists only to show just how freaking wrong they are, how their methods are not accepted as viable scientific methods and how they even violate science ethics for making unsubstantiated claims! So off the record, since no actual research for any of it is on the record!
These Christian scientists"; real scientists are just scientists (there are no factions), do no real experiments, don't even have well equipped suitable labs, nor ever done any viable or useful research studies, and do science all freaking backwards! They claim a god exists, and based on that "Knowledge" (it's mere belief) they set out to "Prove it", but not by showing actual evidence the scientific community can investigate and see if it's useful..., but by trying to defame real scientists, twist known science to fit their agenda, call whole branches of science wrong, especially the most solid scientific theory of them all Evolution, false, and it's the one theory with the the most freaking science facts, works within the laws of physics, is corroborated by several fields with even more evidence... so just undermining science as if that proves anything other than they truly are frauds! IOW: Real and honest scientists review their books to call them out for the complete frauds they are, and to point out their one real agenda:
To gaslight and fool enough gullible people to believe their shit, mainly those who already believe in god looking to confirm their bias toward an already held belief, who they can fleece to make a lot of money off of! All of them are about as full of shit as it gets and just a bunch of cons!
The fact that you wrote "I've known this for a good part of 20 years", just shows that you are not at all a skeptic, but one of the gullible who drank the Koolaid, who anyone with a good story that confirms that which you already and want to believe for whatever comfort or pride it gives you (truth be damned), can manipulate you like a puppet!
So, since this video has no other citations than the well debunked, known fraudster Dr. Lisle a self proclaimed "Christian scientist" (so christian first and foremost), and instead of just presenting the science, appeals to fools emotions and bias to have a way to take down Atheists, which does not equal scientist, nor have jack shit to do with science in the first place (An atheist is just one who doesn't believe in gods, for any or no reason, nothing more), and using that strawman argument to attack the strawman, rather than what the science really says! So you can either just believe that shit and keep feeding your conformation bias, or educate yourself on the actual science not in the christian context, but the way scientists all over the world (so not ~100 fringe outcasts, but millions), who do actual investigation and discovery, provide sufficient evidence and can demonstrate how shit really works, and in many ways, like how it is being used in practice, none mere belief or claim based!
At minimum as one who claims to have healthy skepticism, you can and should have already seen any one of many red flags in this video, starting with the whole philosophical approach which is packed with every freaking logical fallacy in the book, and looked into the truth of it, which you obviously have not done yet! So you have two paths of inquiry:
1. The 100% christian god belief biased rhetorical dogma side for which you will get lot's of hits to his lectures and what not, all in fundi christian institutions (so again not the ones who separate their religion from the sciences, but the ones trying to replace science with their already held belief), or
2. The Dr. Lisle as just a scientist, to which you will find very little of anything other than Atheists, scientists, and even other christians countering his bullshit, and showing where he is scientifically wrong, and philosophically brain dead for the most part! You can start with reading what many others have to say about him:
Secular (unbiased): rationalwikiDOTorg/wiki/Jason_Lisle discovermagazineDOTcom/the-sciences/another-passel-of-creationist-lies
Heres a few christian sources: freethinkingministriesDOTcom/an-evidentialist-review-of-jason-lisles-the-ultimate-proof-of-creation/ biologosDOTorg/articles/light-matters-a-response-to-jason-lisle
And then you can have days of reading and viewing, just pop this in a search: Criticism of and debunking Dr. jason lisle
Do that, and get back to me.
Rubbish, read my post. Feel free to prove it wrong.
When humans encounter a pattern or a question or anything that is almost impossible to answer humans gives the simplest answer instead of trying to think the reason lie behind it. The simplest answer is someone with a better intelligence created it. But we don't always have to have an answer to anything. Science will slowly answer these questions one by one. Just like Charles Darwin discovered revolution.
Love the videos on this channel been here a while much love truth😊 Aris
Literally a DMT trip hence the “God Particle”
We developed math to explain our universe in a reverse engineering way, which led to insights, discoveries, and explanations. What we didn't understand we explained with religion and the concept of "God." God is the part in our head we invented. Math is reality in the real world.
If God is im another dimension, humanity will never explain Him, because we don't have the tools for it.
But mathematics is the invented part.
explain what you mean by dimension then. As a christian should we believe that God is not spirit and we can see him in this dimension or are we trying to "Christianize" GOD?@@leo1722467
Math just explains the world well
Well, we invented math, _too._ But we invented math to be useful in the real-world. Otherwise, there would be no point to it. I'm still struggling to understand the point of religion. Comfort? Wishful-thinking? Status and power?
Funny the video contains the Mandelbrot Set. When I ran across it for the first time a few years ago I had the thought that it's a kind of map of reality. Mo idea why I thought that but maybe it wakes up a recognition in us that there's more to it than just a mathematical trick.
Crazy I just researched and watch these videos on my own and then you make a video on it that’s pretty cool
That’s not what happened. You watched some videos, then the algorithm of the platforms you used showed you more videos of similar nature. That’s how social media works
@@jamesp4063no I researched God and Math and reading articles and watching video on it. The video he included in this presentation I watch on my own research completely separate from him posting this video, so not a algo thing.
Yes that’s how the algorithm works, you go off on google and UA-cam to do your research or wherever and then the algorithms in those pieces of software start sending you more of what you’re looking for.
Thank you, Video Advice, for all these wonderful videos. Must be hard to put all of these together, but know that they are much appreciated.
I guess we speak and share from where we are.
@@sctango12 That's true. We sure do!
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
@@justadutchman5169fax, I think anyone who claims to know and understand the “path” god intends for you to walk is taking it a step too far. I think we all just need to appreciate the beauty in life as it was illustrated in the video and not try to credit it to any one religions god.
The huge drawback of this video is that the presenters assume that the God of Christianity is the only God. There are religions that reject the God of the Bible, the God of Jews, and the God of Christians. Other religions see God in a different light. They accept that God created mathematics and all sciences, but not necessarily the God of a particular religion. Deists for instance accept Nature's God while at the same time rejecting the God of all revealed religions.
My thought on this is, all other gods from all other religions are not alive. They did not die and come back to life after 3 days. Science has proven 2000 of the 2500 prophesies from the Bible. "Other gods" who would be deemed conceptual could not have orchestrated the things on this planet that are so intricate, so perfect, and so beautiful. The God of the Bible, the one who is the creator of all things, including you and I, is the only one who could have created such a perfect existence for human kind. There has to be a creator for there to be a creation. The foods that God created is not just food, but also medicine to heal us. Science has proven over and over again that certain foods affect certain parts of our bodies. How can a made up fictional god do any of that? It's not possible, that god would be considered conceptual.
@@beautifulexpressions2284 "Science has proven 2000 of the 2500 prophesies from the Bible" -- Sorry but this is not a valid claim.
@@johnnastrom9400 lol, he just missed out the last bit of the sentence, 'to be false'
The god or design behind this is very different to the entity that is bothered by what you do with your todger.
Religion is present because of man's need for a governing body that is not imposed but intended to be allowed to be chosen by the individual for the most part. For all practical purposes it is in place as a means of structure and control with the intention of serving as a moral guide to the people, a common grounds established for people with similar beliefs to gather and be in fellowship with those of compatible faith, and means of accountability and penance for those that are in need of spiritual healing.... Religions soul purpose should be ass means to beat reflection of what is good and righteous, promoting love and kindness, for the well-being of all of creation, not for control or financial gain or a elaborate cover up for evil guided intentions and actions that inflict harm or distress on any person, those are the abominations that have caused all religions to have a bad name and fall short of representing God and undermine the entire concept of religion. How does nobody see that the idea of religion has been tainted thru the misuse of authority and abuse of power is the problem with all religions and why none of them really fully honor any higher power. The leaders and members of each fail to achieve a proper representation of the purpose of any religion as they attempt to claim the authority they hold as a position endorsed by the 'god' they choose to worship, failing to set and live by the only real rule there needs to be (if you don't know what that is you are also mislead... It's about how to love: God, yourself, and all others; equally.) Anything against that is clearly not any humans purpose on this earth. Harm none, but do all the good you can in all the ways you can in all the times you can, if we all held that as a standard everyone would prosper and be safe and truly free.
The controling organizations that are in place misguiding the masses is all that is creating separation between various religions, ideas of hate, and the completely unnecessary need for control\money\war aka greed\fear and "power" making all that effort completely self serving and contradictory to any idea of love or humanity, preventing all religions from ever actually being righteous or truly serving the Lord.
9:13 the info graphic seems to show what it visually looks like when light bends around a black hole.
it looks to me like The Mandelbrot set is a person sitting on the ground cross legged.
Chickens can do math as complicated as 4th grade math.... therefore some of this is completely incorrect...I can name a few other things as well but I think people can get what I'm saying...
4th grade math is complicated?
@@Joeshmo772 yes to 3rd graders it would be but my point is animals can do math an know number ,how to count as wall just take a look at pigs, just saying it's not correct to say humans are the only ones to do math.
@@ColinDuffala-dk4cd Animals are doing math instinctively because they are not conscious and thus are programmed to do so just like the bees when they build their beehives in a hexagonial shape did they attend school or what?
Not a person in here knows what you’re trying to say lol what you said doesn’t make anything in the video incorrect.
Didn't quite get it... Are you saying chickens can code patterns into computers. And have them look like this? 😎
"If religion doesn't insult your intelligence then clearly you don't have any." great quote.
The religious know to do away with pride and that there are things beyond understanding
@@twibute1512 The religious don't KNOW sh|t! They only BELIEVE they know. Like a child believes in Santa.
The fact that all of this argument only actually makes sense if you're going off of what the bible (which was written by humans) interprets 'god' as.
To me, as an atheist to most people, this only demonstrates the magic of emergence, and how Nature generates unpredictable complexity from simplicity. 😋
Properties of fractals emerge just by iteration towards infinity.
The further you iterate, the more complexity you get.
It's just us, adding layers over and over, until Nature eventually makes new properties emerge.
You can render the set with just one iteration, and you get a circle. Not very interesting.
That's why I love Nature and the Universe.
It's like, dumb and intelligent, at the same time.
Evolution is just another way Nature works and creates new things.
The Universe itself is the only real god to me.☺
Just because you say something is god does not make it so.
Wdym
Become blind my brother the great deceiver will bring you with him too. Lack of knowledge is what gets everyone killed and not able to make the real decision they have to make. Because of deception government and rights built by flesh
So.... U want taco bell or white castles
"I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there” (Gospel of Thomas, 77).
Good. Luck with that
Mathematics is a concept we made up in our mind to understand the physical world
It’s easier to tell everyone that there’s a known genetic in your body that tells you are link to God entirely the whole time
Math is a representation of the physical world internalized conceptually, according to experience of the real world. The number, "3", for instance, developed organically from our experience of the physical world. Math as a rules-based system developed from such fundamental beginnings. "Fractals" are a product of mathematical processes, specifically, "recursion", where the result of one calculation is used in a later iteration of the same calculation--the equation will "feed" itself forever, if the result is not mathematically "illegal". This is the entire "mystery" of the infinity of the Mandelbrot set. It goes on forever because it is mathematically designed to do so! It may be a suggestive way to imagine "the mind of God", in someone's conception, but it IS NOT, itself, the mind of God.
The laws also exist before Christianity. When people were secular.
Amen brother🍷✝️🙏🏼🌍❤️🩸🤞🏼you are awoken my brother.
I love the video that you're sharing here. I share it with everybody I feel is intelligent enough to understand the profound information of it
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Wow! This made total sense! Thank you!
This is GOLD! I am so glad I cane across this
This video simply takes the idea of "nature" and demands that a supernatural mind must have created it.
It is completely ridiculous to think that nature requires a supernatural origin.
The reason mathematics is inherent in nature is because we have developed mathematics to try to explore nature.
Nature does not follow the laws of mathematics. Mathematics follows the observations of what we see in nature.
When we discover new properties in nature, we alter mathematics and create new mathematics to help us to understand those new discoveries. Nature is nature and nothing more or less. We don't need supernatural dogma to help us understand it, we just need to use our minds to model new ways of thinking about it.
When we cloud our understanding of nature with supernatural and superstitious ideas we get unreliable story-telling religion.
When we base our understanding on measurable, repeatable, learnable -- and changeable -- as we will no doubt always be changing how much we know about nature -- then we have a scientific process that is reliable.
Saying that naturalists will never understand nature because we don't believe that nature has a mind, like we do, like god ostensibly does, is just pure egocentrism. Nature doesn't need a mind, because nobody created nature from their mind. It simply is, because it is. It doesn't need to be conflated with psuedo-historical ethnic folklore like "jesus" or "krishna" or "thor" to be suitably profound. It's just nature, and nature is naturally profound. No superstition needed.
So, I failed to see the connection to God. Our mathematical formulations are the only way we, as humans, can consistently describe the behavior of the universe. That doesn't mean the physical universe obeys mathematical laws. Mathematical laws are just a description of the universe.
Exactly. The amount of people replying to this like it's the absolute answer is seriously disheartening. It's like people can't see the overt christian message is trying to convince you they have some kind of answer.
There’s nothing in what they said that supports their contention that this is a Christian God; it could be the god of the Jews. There’s nothing here that even suggest that there’s only one God. So maybe it evidences a sacred pattern that is a thought, and is seen a nature, but I don’t know how that jumps to Christianity is the religion that explains all this.
I'd go further and argue that this preacher and youtube commentator is exhibiting values of the "devil" while trying to prove that this is existence of god. Using woo woo to disorientate the minds of the audience to deceive them that this his claim is true. Using emotionally charged background music to overpower your logical thinking is an old trick used by conspiracy theorists and advertisers. All with a subtle undertone of if you don't understand it, then you are either stupid or are evil. Doesn't get much more evil than that imo.
It sounds like you're contradicting yourself. Mathematical laws are proof that the universe does use math in its design, whether we discovered it or not. The concept always predates the creation.
I want to make some cookies so first I have to think of the recipe. I then give you a cookie and you can choose not to know how it was made but you do know it came from a recipe, the recipe will always exist whether you know it or not, and I can prove the cookie came from the recipe if you doubt it. If I then show you the recipe you will have then discovered "the concept" from where the invention came from.
Are you arguing elements don't have finite weights? of course the universe obeys mathematical laws
DMT brought me knowledge that nobody I could ever understand. The realm where good amd evil clash. It's the ultimate treepass. I learmed knowledge older than my age. I sae infinity and almost went mad. It didn't change my beliefs. I've aleays believed in God. Thid experience only made me understand that God is far beyond anything the human brain will ever understand. Magic is anything we can't understand with sciemce.
That sums up my first experience.
Mathematics is an observation of physical phenomina. The universe doesn't "obey" the laws of mathematics because the implication there is that the two have a cause and effect relationship. The universe simply is defined by mathematics.
This proves the Islamic concept of "Kon Fayakoon" meaning "He desires and it is created" mentioned in the Quran!
This also is an approval of the spiritual knowledge of "All is one" or "The unity of all that is".
Fun fact the Quran states the The Bible is correct and The Bible states that nothing is to be added to it not removed. The Quran in a round about way is admitting it is a lie
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
@@justadutchman5169 well it's more than believing in the Christian God, but about being moral and following the example of His son who paid for our sins. God is just and fair. If one has never heard His Gospel I'm more than sure He'll account for this for He accounted for everything we could need.
@@potte2314 A non-physical deity cannot have physical offspring. Jesus is considered God's son in a metaphorical sense, much like all of humanity, even when viewed through the lens of Christianity.
@ParvaizRaja I believe Ron Wyatt may have proved this to be true though.
The great Mandelbrot!
I work at Los Alamos Labs and for lunch I always have steamed Mandelbrot with fractalized onions.
@@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole lmao
That's a good one!
Ha. Come see The Acoustic Rabbit Hole!@@amodernalchemist432
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
I find it somewhat arrogant that Christians often equate the proving of God in general with the proving of the Christian God specifically, without giving any evidence in support of the God we are speaking about being their version of that God.
In psychology, mathematics is the bridge between the different levels of complexities of sciences, including and not limited to human sciences.
In vectorial mathematics, a vector of 2 and another vector of 2 can add to a new vector of 5 or anything else, depending on the orientation of those vectors, such as sexual orientations.
/3 Additionally, astronomy is a science and so is chemistry and physics, biology, psychiatry and sociology.
Well done, yet again! ✨✝️✨
It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
Why does the universe obey math: because math is what we figured out is the easiest way to quantify how the universe is built, and how to communicate that with symbols. This isn't genius territory, Billy Ray Universe didn't walk up and see a text book and think "OH Duuuh! MATH!" and reorganize itself. It's what we're using to describe the universe, so it would be messed up if the universe *didn't follow those organizing principles. Chaos doesn't persist in perpetuity, only until the easiest pattern is fallen into and the outliers from the pattern are destroyed or join it. Sort of like how crystals are formed. That's why there are certain patterns which repeat consistently: the best way to do a thing is what survives.
People don’t realize we’re using math to describe something, math itself isn’t the thing that we are describing
@@twibute1512 Particularly the doctor from the video seems to not see the difference between the laws of physics and the laws of mathematics, which he really should.
"atheists worst nightmare" My atheist nightmare is living in a theocracy.
Anyone notice it also takes the shape of a person in meditation? Seems that's the base layer of this set and why going inward works. I really just had a revelation. Without the posture you cannot initiate the fractal reaction so to speak. Even explains why you vibrate and tingle the deeper you get. Because the fractal just exponentially multiplies and takes you inward. The spikes the deeper you go on the set look like they gather more and more energy. I've always thought scale and perspective were the fundamental glue that binds it all together. Thanks for this video. Anyone have anything to build on this? This is awakening the set within oneself by first aligning to the pattern in the outward sense, the body. Geometry realky is something special. As without so within. Never separate. Namaste
_"Anyone notice it also takes the shape of a person in meditation?"_
Pareidolia
Terrence McKenna famously says that mushrooms will speak to you in a dark room on a high enough dose. I thought this was a load of crap until I tried it for myself and experienced exactly what he was talking about. When the trip was really coming on I began to see fractal patterns and had this same zooming experience in my visuals as you just demonstrated with the mandelbrot set. And the funny thing is it said exactly what you just said now you know the meaning of infinity as I was zooming in faster and faster and never reach the bottom of the fractal patterns
This is your brain on drugs, kids.
@@Bill_Garthright You obviously do not understand psychedelics and the research that has been done on them.
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Well, that's both extraordinarily vague _and_ a useless reply to humor.
Just because I see cartoons on my ceiling after taking mushrooms doesn't mean they are real.
Has it had positive effects on my depression? Yes.
Enjoyable and increases emotional connections? Yes.
But that doesn't mean it's a Divine state, or that the Carebears I see are god.
It's a trip. That's it. How we describe meaning to things might differ but the reality is that you're senses are being altered by a biochemical reaction. This alters the normal state of your senses.
Transformative yes. God? No. If it is then have god call me.
Ah there it is. 8 minutes in and we finally get to “Well if God is infinite and fractals are infinite then Fractals must equal God.”
This is a child’s understanding of how to critically evaluate meaning.
The problem with thinking this way is (among a vast plethora of other reasons) one would first have to make the assumption that God even exists when there isn’t evidence of it.
Correct. This video was pointless.
God does exist, just because you cannot see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
That's a logical fallacy.
Your thinking is, I don't know something and I can't see it, therefore it doesn't exist.
That kind of reasoning is not only flawed, it is ignorant.
As there is clearly, even through science an abundance of things you cannot see that do exist.
@@lightoflife-ministries Again you have a child’s understanding of how to think logically and you are trying to change what I said so that you can show how my thinking is incorrect. That’s very dishonest of you.
I never said “I can’t see it therefore it isn’t real”
I’ve never been up to space to view the planet but I believe it is spherical because many people have gone and developed REPEATABLE tests that I can also go do. I do not start with the assumption that the earth is a sphere, I look at the data and follow it to its conclusion that any other shape wouldn’t make sense.
You cannot do this with God. Our current world model works perfectly fine without the need of any sort of divine individual.
I was merely pointing out that in order for this video to make any sort of sense you would first have to assume that God exists, (which we have quite literally zero evidence of) and then you would have to do the mental gymnastics to use fractals as evidence of God. So what if they’re infinite? How does that provide evidence that God exists? What is so divine about that? You know what else is infinite in this context? Graphing an infinite straight line. But he doesn’t use that in this video because it doesn’t look like there’s fancy designs or magic to it.
A long time ago, people didn’t know what energy, force or gravity was. You can’t see energy & can’t you see force or gravity but you know it exist because it is a natural phenomenon in our world. Now, to imagine God, you would have to consider that the being God is everything that consist of anything, meaning energy, force and gravity but even more, since God would be the source of all there was. You can’t see God because God is not something to SEE, God would be energy in its purest form so to say that there is no proof that God exist is ignorant because you can’t see energy with your physical eye but you know it exist. How do you know there are other planets? Did you physically see them with your eyes or were you TAUGHT that they were other planets? Exactly.
@@WhoIsKon incorrect, I have owned a telescope and I have observed with my own two eyes some of the other planets in our solar system.
The difference between God and your force of gravity argument is that: 1. Actually, Yes we can observe gravity and energy. We do every time we drop our keys on the ground or see lightning in the sky. And 2. These types of things do not require a god to exist.
If we can determine the reason why and how things work WITH REPEATABLE EVIDENCE, then it’s unreasonable to believe that anything that has yet to be proven is the cause behind said things.
This is an illogical leap from the existence of math to the existence of God.
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As someone formally educated in Christian Theology, I wonder where the idea that math gives clues to God's mind comes from. It's a Pythagorean idea. At the time the Bible was written, we didn't even have the numbers zero or negative numbers.
Question. Which god?
🫡 It creeps me out how it supposed to be a “Christian” God. 🤨 Like if you believe in God it better be a Christian one or else you’re Bad! Right.. Sure.. 🙄 Maybe better to be a decent person first with respect for nature and all living beings. Then we talk about how God should be viewed. 😇
only theirs and none other!!!
The light, the love the energy. Not a "person" like "Allah", "JHWH" or "Jesus" just God. The 1 and everything.
@@WaRRioRofLight.Like Spinoza's god!😉
The essence of all what exists.
Pretty much like Nature itself.
Where are the links to the scientific evidence? Its no evidince withouth eveidence
Maybe what you're perceiving as evidence is wrong? You're looking for evidence based on your original ideology teachings. Tom McDonald says in a song that we'll give religion to the masses but let the righteous find the light. He also says that we'll use science to oppose the word of Christ. The song is called the system and it will explain everything.
@@malahkhesus482dude asks for links and you quote Tom McDonald?? Omg I just lost like half my brain cells. That was so fucking stupid it physically hurt to read.
So God exists because fractals? Im sorry but this is the classic god of the gaps logical fallacy. In other words, you not understanding the complexity of something is not an open invitation to label it as actions of god.
@@malahkhesus482 evidence is. Something that can be proven and gives the same result or outcome when performed over and over
@@malahkhesus482
_"Maybe what you're perceiving as evidence is wrong?"_
Evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. So, if it's indistinguishable from wishful-thinking, I'd say it's not evidence.
Do you have *anything* distinguishable from wishful-thinking backing up your religious beliefs? I'd love to hear it, if so. Just one specific example? Just *something* distinguishable from wishful-thinking that points to your god, rather than to some natural explanation (known or unknown)?
Yes closer to awe and to God! Thank you very much! I enjoyed this!❤
🤯 My brain hurts now!!!
Lol great video!!!
..1) "Numerology" is NOT.. nor ever was a Secret ..
.. 2) may want to First Define witch "GOD" we're trying to "Prove"..
.. 3) may wanna agree on what "proof" means..
.. 3) Apples 🍏 vs Oranges 🍊.. what's the Better Fruit ? (answer : 🍑 )
.. 4) 👌👁️🤞🏽 "i ∆M" .. 🙈 🙉 🙊 .. ❤️
But even your answer is a subjective opinion.
@@WhoIsKon .. exactly 💯 agree.. 💌👍🏻.. yet one thing is clear.. our Realities unfold according to our "SUB'jective" Understandings of our own "TRüTH".. not Right.. not Wrong.. not Good .. not "Bad".. Not Evil not Devine..
.. unless we choose to Sit with in those "boundaries".. to each their own Higher power of choosing .. "God" - Life - Love - Frequency is in everything.. This Universal Law is not Subjective.. it is all encompassing..
.. we all have Eyes that do not See.. Ears that cannot hear .. Lips that know not know how to speak the "Truth".. and the understanding of this "Ultimate Truth" .. will set us Free ..
.. so we definitely do agree 📿🌒🙏🏽🌘📿..
.. we don't know what we do not know..
.. sending Wholeness Wellness and Abundance Blessing NRG Vibes to you and this soul family collective here on this platform 💗
This does not prove christianity. That's simply conflationary logic. I won't refute a universal or collective consciousness, but to boil that down into a singular entity is frankly infantile. You would never identify yourself as your fingertip.
well said
I personally have one main problem with this. The physical world is not the way it is because of numbers. Numbers were designed to measure the physical world. I have more to say, but im too tired.
Theists finally discover that you can get complexity from simplicity, all you need to do is keep iterating. Iterate for a couple of billion years and you can have all the complexity needed for evolution to have evolved complex life.
Finally someone to say it!😅
The only "divinity" I see here is Nature itself.🌱
Oh no! Another "atheist nightmare" video. I'm so scared!
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Thank you I was trying to find a description for this giebady gook and you described it perfectly. His word said he has given delusion to some and these people are delusional.
You should be cause this is gods work
There’s a saying that goes he who only looks for the knowledge of the flesh. Will be good as never created, the best part of our enemy is, he is the greatest deceiver. And he’s doing a really good job controlling you with that.
@@a.k.r.o5823Meh. From my perspective, theists are the ones being controlled by deception, but you will probably never accept that. So I'll just adhere to another saying; don't argue with stupid people, they will only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Wow!
Z to power 1, 2, 3,4 etc would be interesting to watch.. Could mean infinite dimensions n life forms.
If i am being honest, this just blew my mind. I have always been a Christian in my 15 year life, yet I haven’t had many ways to prove god, except like 1 or two. Now I can actually prove that my god exists ❤
Come on y'know it's "God" not one "god" in a group of "gods".
@@PizzaPartyIndeed my bad, that’s a mistake I make all the time, I say god, and not God. Thanks for reminding me :)
Talking "God" and "Christianity", that collection plate should be coming around shortly.
This could also be evidence supporting simulation theory
Yes simulation theory is same theory that use church and same as Christian god. Thers almost no difference. Both says that some super being created universe for us to watch us close.
So are we sentient npcs?
Very confusing
The Mandelbrot formula must apply to society just the way it's found in nature. IMO, such principles should be the foundation of human laws and morality.
When it comes to the abstract, occurring in the material world, I don't see why we don't say - The Physical Universe, is at least a part, of the Mind of God, which is Its Creator in the same way as thoughts are creation of the human mind. If they are similar, and physically, the generated representation of the Universe is similar to our brain's neural network, would mean that our minds are fractals of Creator. And that fits non dualism perfectly, when we talk about the mind as our unfiltered creative, analytical, memory tool. This means there are more and higher levels of God than Its creative Mind.
_"The Physical Universe, is at least a part, of the Mind of God, which is Its Creator in the same way as thoughts are creation of the human mind."_
Yeah, and what if every atom is its own solar system? I used to think like that, too, when I was eight. The problem is that you have zero evidence that any of that is actually true. Of course, maybe you don't give a crap about the _truth_ of your beliefs?
IDK, maybe atoms are and/or will be solar systems. And the lack of evidence is motivation for science.@@Bill_Garthright
@@REciproxall
_"IDK, maybe atoms are and/or will be solar systems."_
And maybe monkeys will fly out of your butt. If that happens, then you'll have butt monkeys. But it's still foolish to _believe_ in butt monkeys until that happens.
PS. The lack of evidence is *not* motivation for science. The motivation for science is caring about the truth and realizing that there are tons of things we don't know yet. But science is _based_ on evidence. If you have no evidence, then science has nothing to investigate.
Trust me, science _will_ start investigating butt monkeys as soon as you can demonstrate that they're real. And that's the same with pretty much everything else you imagine, too. Show them the evidence - actual evidence of something existing in reality - and they'll investigate.
Scientists can't _wait_ to discover something new. That's why they became scientists. And the more extraordinary, the better. But you've _got_ to be able to distinguish it from delusion and wishful-thinking. Because there just isn't enough time in a day to investigate everything human beings can possibly imagine.
atheists cannot COMPREHEND complex numbers, do you really believe in IMAGINARY numbers atheist??????
For all we know mathematics and the laws of physics could change
As we do not yet understand what holds these powers in place
I cannot stop clapping in my mind, wonderful presentation. Just great!
The next challenge is to generate video of moving mandelbrot set
Now I am really looking in the mirror. Before when I looked at my face in the mirror that wasn't my real face. My real face is this entire singularity of every fucking thing. This is what I am. This is God looking at God. Yeah this is what I am and I Love it.
Someone could argue a universe without concrete mathematics let along fractals would not be possible to exist. If we agree some systems have concrete rules / definitive actions then we can explain how some things can arise intrinsically. If we break everything down to the smallest systems that we know about, we know that there behaviors effect things on a larger scale that without seeing the underlying system would not be explainable. In other words behavior of the larger systems shows "Emergent" properties that are given rise due to the many complex interactions of the underlying systems. Quantum Mechanics brings light into behavior sub-atomic particles exabit, Particle physics explains the behavior of the particles, chemistry explains the behavior atoms and molecules, etc.. The same thing is happening with the Mandelbrot set, it is ironic because it is the very nature the Mandelbrot is screaming out to us, Simple rules and interactions can give rise to more complex systems. Non of this of course is an argument that God doesn't not exist, one can argue these emergent behaviors are by Gods design and Gods Omniscience would further strengthen this point.
I hope I'm not the only one here who sees that Dr Jason Lisle is actually twisting it around. There is a simple formula z^2 + c which can define a complex shapes. In the physical world we can see similar shapes. This suggests that even a simple principle can generate complex and even beautiful things, maybe even our physical world. Does it imply an existence of God? Yes, if by God you mean a principal (understood as a rule or a physical law). Such god is still conceptual, omnipresent, beyond time and responsible for our creation. However the existence of the Mandelbrot set doesn’t prove, indicate nor imply that there is a God who is an intelligent entity, someone who can talk to us or anything in the Christian sense of God. There is simply no connection between the formula and what is written in the bible. It would be a different story if the z^2 + c formula was mentioned in the bible, or the Mandelbrot shape was curved in stone by some early Christians…
Okay okay okay… after hitting around the 18 minute mark I was completely mind blown on how those things that aren’t real are also nearly identical to things that are real.
Judaism and Jewish law talk about that more than 3000 years...
Very interesting video. My thoughts, so I think math is a concept of the mind grasped from the experience of existence not the other way around. We found math through our conceptualizing of the world around us and trying to create ways to hold more in our mind. So with that, if we are in the mind of God what is the world God is in the they experience to create the concept of our existence? And do you think this God mind rolls out so that God is as well in another mind? Is just another branch or piece in the fractle geometry? Idk but it got me thinking 🤷🏾♂️