Anette's studio work is really good. I'm not really a fan of her live performances, but both albums with Anette are awesome. This song was Tuomas' message to Tarja. He also had a message for her husband on that same album. Even more agressive and angry lyrics, packaged with the heaviest music Nighwish has done so far. It's called 'Master Passion Greed' and it's sung by Marko. They have never played it live, but there is a nice fan-made video around ua-cam.com/video/Bkib0dIziXk/v-deo.html Of course there's also 'The Poet And The Pendulum' on this album in which Tuomas gives an insight into his state of mind after everything that went down with Tarja.
Oh yeah, in "Master Passion Greed" you get to hear what a really angry Tuomas sounds like. He needed to pour out a whole lot of emotions with that album.
Definitely a yes to MPG. This is the one song that shows very clear that the decision to fire Tarja was unanimous. It's pure rage that grows and grows, yet still stays a great symphonic metal song.
Watching several interviews and listening to several interpretations of the same songs, I understood something: every time a member leaves the band, the one who replaces does not try to imitate his/her style, in Nightwish. I noticed this in the case of Tarja / Anette (explained by Floor in one of her first interviews after entering Nightwish), I also noticed this since Marco left, in a few songs from the virtual concert. Each of them has its own unique voice, and no attempt has been made to duplicate this uniqueness by those who followed. It seems to me an honest approach. One more thing: I understand that the fans upset by Tarja's departure reproached the band for choosing Anette because she was beautiful in the first place, so in this video they chose a team of beautiful girls instead of all the band members :)
What's the old saying, don't be the guy who replaced the legend, be the guy that replaced the guy who replaced the legend. This holds true here. The biggest difference between the three singers comes down to range of tone and versatility. Taria and Annette were at opposite ends of soprano. Floor Jansen can do what the previous two did and everything in between.
The third part of the trinity of anger is "Master Passion Greed", perhaps Nightwish's angriest and heaviest song and directed toward Tarja's husband. Never been played live and never will. If you do it, please do the lyric video so you know what's being sung. Link here: ua-cam.com/video/wS7NrPNjACI/v-deo.html
I concur. The fan-made video is really well made, but I'd say that it doesn't "add" anything. The lyrics video on the other hand... Well, it's not one of the easiest to understand songs (in terms of pronunciation over the instruments), so being able to read along is really helpful 🙃
It has nothing to do with Floor. Nightwish performed this song only on the Dark Passion Play world tour, and then Tuomas considered it irrelevant and had never played it live since 2008, long before Floor.
I've loved Nightwish almost from the beginning. I was young and very sad when Tarja was fired. When Dark Passion Play came out I was almost shocked. It was so different from what I was used to, but at the same time it was very Nightwish. And so good !! The two albums with Anette on vocals are for me the best. I come back to them again and again. With Floor came a new era. She has sung on two good albums. Now they are working on their 10th studio album. I'm so excited about what's coming.🤘
Everything you said about Anette is spot on. She was placed in a rough position, but one she surely couldn't pass up. And she received (and continues to receive) a lot of unwarranted hate. As others have pointed out, she wasn't nearly as good live as Tarja or Floor. She's said as much herself in interviews. She feels much more comfortable in the studio and it shows. In fact, I might even venture to say her studio work is better than Tarja or Floor, in that she really knows how to harmonize with herself and deliver a melody. It's also worth mentioning the impact she had on the band. On the previous 5 albums, Tuomas was writing with Tarja's powerful operatic voice in mind. Anette's strength is hooks. She's Swedish, the country that's mastered pop music. So his writing changed to accommodate, and even though her stay with the band was relatively short, Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are right up there with their best. Any Nightwish fan will tell you as much. Unfortunately, the band really shines live and Anette couldn't really deliver. That being said, I'd recommend checking out her new band: The Dark Element. They're also a symphonic metal band, but a bit more "poppy". Jani Liimatainen writes songs that fully utilize Anette's strengths and they're worth a listen. Side note (apologies for the rambling!), if you're looking for more Anette with Nightwish, I'd recommend "The Escapist". It's a B-side that never made it on to an album (which is wild to me) and is perhaps her best showing with the band. Cheers from Boston
Hi Eric. I believe it can be quite a handicap going into this song withou hearing Tarja first. I hope you'll still be able to appreciate their original era with Tarja without any prejudice. I'd certainly recommend watching some of the older hits with Tarja before diving into the Poet and the Pendulum. For the first impression I'd probably recommend Sleeping Sun, possibly contrary to popular opinion that is you should watch Phantom of the Opera. But Phantom is a cover, but I think that listening to the Nigtwish'es original song would hit differently with you. So yeah. Sleeping Sun with Tarja would be my suggestion for you. See ya in your next video, and thanks for the great content you provide us with :-)
@@KristiinaBerg I'm going to get hate for this. I apologize however Tahja was good live here studio performances were also much better. In life she was often out of flat and couldn't hold the notes in key. Please don't misunderstand. She is fantastic.. however. Floor fits with everything that they do. It really is amazing. And if you don't know how hard it is replace a nother member especially vocals. Ask any musician. Yes Floor Tah did a project together and talked once. I doesn't mean there friends.
i concur in "master,passion,greed" it rounds out the trifecta...i also chuckled a bit when you said about tuomas not doing broadway or disney-esque tunes or anything like that because he did an album "the life and times of scrooge mcduck"....which really is amazing...song is sung by his wife Johanna Kurkela. and the video has Don Rosa the illustrator of the disney ducks.... ua-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/v-deo.html
Lol yes Tuomas wrote a whole EP about his favorite graphic novel. Also don't forget that imaginaerum is not just a concept album but a full length motion picture co-written by Tuomas. Johanna is a beautiful person, singer, soul. If you are not familiar she, Tuomas, & Troy have a side project called Auri.
It's really cool to have someone with your radio experience check out this song. It's not the only song on the album that could be considered perfect for the radio while also uniquely Nightwish. Honestly, Anette had it tougher than anyone. It's fine not to like her vocal style or to think she needed to improve her live performance ability but every single thing about her from her voice to her appearance and aesthetic to her attitude and personality was absolutely ripped to shreds by a subset of the "fanbase". Slowly but surely she got better and better and my favourite album ever, Imaginaerum, was done with her brilliant vocals but unfortunately I don't think she ever got to fully realise her potential with Nightwish. Thankfully nowadays she is busy living her best life doing musical side-projects part time while working as a nurse.
Unfortunately, Anette couldn't reproduce her studio performances on stage. She's not the only good singer with that problem. And fans love Nightwish live. It's where they really shine.
I would argue that point, I saw her live during the dark passion play tour and she was good. Her performance was spot on. I’ve seen other performances of her performing live and frankly I think her best vocals were not with Nightwish. Unfortunately for her she was replaced by one of the best singers in the world. We also have to remember that some of Nightwish’s best selling albums were with her on vocals. Those albums would’ve tanked especially the second one if all those live performances were so bad.
I saw documentary called End of the era, in there everyone is backstage including the "Navajo Indian" dude and you could see that everybody was tense. Because they knew this could be THE last show. Emppu tried to throw some jokes so the guest star wouldn't feel unwelcome or anything. But Tuomas, Jukka ,Marco were all just silent and in their own thoughts. It was little grinch to see, but thank goodness all worked out better in the end.
Tuomas wrote The Poet And The Pendulum (song about himself), Bye Bye Beautiful (song about Tarja) and Master Passion Greed (song about her meddling husband / manager). Tara wrote I Walk Alone (song about herself.) and Sing For Me (song about Tuomas). Then both sides moved on with their own carreers. To my knowledge, Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were never played live.
Both Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were played live. I am pretty sure that BBB was played at the first show of their US tour. I know MPG was played at a show in Allentown, PA.
@@jackfinn567 I guess myself and the other 2 people I was with must have imagined that. We probably also imagined the 10+ min jam session that Marko, Emppu and Troy that was unlike anything we had seen in any other show.
As a slight correction, I Walk Alone is not about Tarja. She did choose it because she identified with it, but the actual writers' inspiration was a Mozart piece. Jørn Lande does a phenomenal version as well.
Here's another Dutch symphonic metal band you need to check out. Blackbriar as their own Unique metal sound. Zora the lead singer Is one of those rare singers Whose voice is so different Zora can't be be duplicated. Like Kate Bush or Nina Hagen there will only be one. •Please react to Arms of the Ocean. Blackbriar is produced by Joost van den Broek
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I think their songwriting is excellent. With a different songwriter, it wouldn't be Blackbriar. They have their style of songwriting and it's something that grows on you once you catch on to what they are going for with each song
@@atsz. Well, I edited my contribution (as you may have seen) because my first words where a bit too harsh. But I do think that their songwriting needs a bit of work: the songs sound good, but they lack a bit of dynamics. (listen for instance to band like Nightwish, Ayreon or Epica to hear how you can make a song dynamic so as to keep the attention of the listener)
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I understand, and well, I'm just glad to see you comparing Blackbriar to these bands (legends, really). They've certainly come a long way.
Good point about Anette being the messenger.. haven't thought about it like that. Since you listened to this before The Poet and The Pendulum, you should probably listen to Master Passion Greed too! ua-cam.com/video/hBTRq2Kgt3Q/v-deo.html
Indeed! I always thought Master Passion Greed would be perfect to listen to before PATP just to really let it sink in how upset Tuomas was but usually people do it after.
Anette gets a lot of unwarranted hate. She is obviously no Floor or Tarja and she doesn't have the depth of colour but she is good outside the context of Nightwish. She does some NW songs really well too and those 2 albums she did were two of the most popular - that has to say something. TPATP is my No 1 Nightwish song so glad you're coming to it. (No 2 is Song of Myself and No 3 is 7 Days to the Wolves) When you've done TPATP you may want to listen to the demo version which is all Marco vocals sounding quite like he does here in places. But the demo is angrier, lyrically and in delivery so worth a listen. Emppu is badly underrated. I'm my opinion he is a true Master, almost a GOAT.
i concur. there's a live version of TPATP with Annette and Jukka still in the band. i watched it because i wanted to hear it with Jukka. it's an emotionally heavy song. the one everyone wants is the Wembley version with Floor and Kai, of course. no one will ever call Annette a bad singer. Tuomas doesn't hire bad musicians. she was simply radically different from Tarja, and, not as Floor as Floor is, if that makes sense.
Hate is too strong word used too often... a lot of people are just disappointed with the quality of singing Anette can offer. Just my take on the matter...
A world without songs like Storytime, Scaretale and Song of Myself is a world much less fun, and those songs most likely wouldntve been created if it werent for Anette being in Nightwish.
There are three songs on DPP that deal with the break up with Tarja. This one is written about Tarja, The Poet and the Pendulum deals with Tuomas's state of mind after basically he was ran over by the rollercoaster of angry fans. (Even the Finnish Prime Minister was asked to comment on her dismissal). The third song is about Marcelo, (Tarja's husband) Master Passion Greed. This song is the most dark and angry song Tuomas ever wrote and Marko never sounded more angry, also Jukka tried to kill the drums and Emppu has never sounded chunkier. But the song is killer; good speed, chunky riffs and pure rage that grows and grows in the song. I always feel bad saying this but I truly wish Tuomas was pissed more often.
This song has a message that Tuomas felt needed to be said, but he is not going to waste his creative genius on this matter any further. That is why it is radio friendly (hooky).
Please react to Ignea - Alga if you want to show any solidarity for the Ukrane. The song was written a few years ago however the lyrics are surprisingly relevant today.
I'm glad they didn't stay digging in that tacklebox. Radiohits are needed sometimes and Anette did a couple of thoose. Or should I say that Tuomas made a couple for her?? And therefore made their singer perform in the segment she could shine in. Thank you for staying with the sizeratios (you vs screen) Much Love 💙💛💙
The Interloper in Nightwish’s History is Tarja’s Husband, Tuomas wrote for Tarja this Changed the Core of Nightwish. Tuomas was Very close to Tarja before Nightwish, Long Friendship Growing Up. Tarja Changed after Marriage, the influence from Her Husband Created a Power Struggle in the band. Tarja Sided with her husband, this was tearing the band apart. Tuomas said Tarja could not be replaced (Talent was too good to him), So he was not going try. Unfortunately a lot of the fans did not respond well to the change, it was said that he was in pain when writing anything that was like what he had written for Tarja. Anette was not Tarja, relief maybe for tuomas in his writing , but the “Change” created a turbulence in the Nightwish World (Anger and Sadness).
Anette was, well is, a brilliant vocalist on her own, no doubt about that. She's just not what a Nightwish vocalist needs to be, she was the Nightwish vocalist the Band members needed her to be at the time but on the long run not the vocalist Nightwish needs. Annette was a ferry for Nightwish to cross over the bitterness and transform into something otherwordly we see it become. It wouldn't be fair for the vocalist to carry that hate on her words for the rest of the bands life, when she had no role in the original trauma. Floor 🌸 was the new blossom of Nightwish, and her shoulders carry no weight of the past.
For me, the best two albums of NW are from Anette era... Imaginaerum album is above everything they had done before or after it, there is something in that album, that touches my very being.. Still I believe Floor is the best for the band and lot of Anette songs are great with Floor :)
I feel bad for Anette. She's asked to replace the Nightwish MATRIACH, and does a good job, only to become the female Wally Pipp for Floor seven years later.
2 great Selling Pop Rock Albums, this Song ....for me its simply bad Taste. What does it say about you, if you have to kick on someone once more, in public. Well at least, Selling Stats were good for this. Best from all of this for me were the cute Drummer Model in the Making of. All others are simply try not be bored, only she sits there always practicing.Saw it last Year for the first Time, wasnt interested in that at all, topped by the Thema of this Song. Surely said already, the Best for me is, that they had to adapt because of Possibilities they had at Hand, and that works great and without Lineup Change i Think the Band wont be , where its Today in Versatality. Very good Recap, you see it as it is, great Mainstream Rock pop with Metal Tunes. And Yes, Annette is an tragic Figure for my Taste too, and even if any bad Habit Rumor of here is true, so what, she had balls of Iron to Step in, the 2 Albums were Cashcows, She cant take her Kid on Tour, were pregnant....other Females would give them Hell on other Level as she is called out for, after they Sacked her. 2k5 to 2k13 i didnt follow them, not my music, and surely not my style to treat Humans. I be thankfull all my life that my buddies didnt ask just shovelt me to Wacken in the Summer 13 back then.
I love nightwish but I have a soft spot for Anette because she was Era of nightwish that I first heard Dark passion play was my first nightwish album then was a live concert release of that tour. Anette sounded great. My first time seeing Nightwish live was the Imaginarium tour but was a 1 off in Universal amphitheater that I got to see with anette. They did a metal cruise and then back to Europe. Was later that fall they did an entire north American tour for Imaginarium. I seen that as well in CA however that's the tour Anette was a few months pregnant and was let go from the band a few stops before the night I had tix for. Floor was flown in to fill in for vocals the rest of the tour. I was upfront that night. Floor was amazing. Actually she was better than she has been on the last 2 tours. My opinion. Anyway was an exciting time I got to meet Floor and the band and hang out. I have photos with all and Floor was drinking a bud light after the show .I also met Marco earlier that day when they were loading in. Super cool dude.
Imaginareum and DPP were both great albums musically , not a fan of Anette's vocals , sorry ....going from Tarja to Anette was a drastic change vocally and i know tuomas didnt want a copycat of Tarja but for me it didnt work . I do know Tuomas really wanted Floor after Tarja was kicked out but After Forever was gaining popularity and Floor was really committed to them and he didnt want to interfere with that .
I really love this whole "Dark Passion Play" with Annette. She has a different sound, and it's okay! Personally, I don't understand why "Bye Bye Beautiful" never got any play time in the US. I know I would have listened to Nightwish.
It did get some play in the US, along with Amaranth (my personal favorite) both versions, studio with Annette and live at Wacken with Floor however you're right for some reason mainstream radio never really caught on to their music whether it was lack of promotion or they just didn't think it would be well received by listeners who hadn't been exposed to progressive music at the time, either way BIG MISTAKE! I grew up on ACDC, Zeppelin, Van Halen but NIGHTWISH has been my favorite band for years, don't underestimate what listeners will like, lesson to radio people everywhere you've cheated people out of hearing the best music out there!
Anette sings Nightwish ballads in my opinion best of the singers. Check out for instance Eva, so beautiful. Another song that will blow your mind is Scaretale with Anette and Marko.
As usual, great reaction. Very insightful comments on Anette's position as messenger. Someone else already mentioned my favorite of her tracks, so I'll go concur with it instead of leaving it here. Who knows how accurate this is, as it's likely a fuzzy memory combined with potentially wildly inaccurate information in the first place, but from what I recall when this whole ordeal went down, the internet fans were convinced choosing Anette was "selling out", "going commercial", "a "vain choice" etc, and the Nightwish sound would change entirely with that. Tuomas responded by writing this very "radio-friendly"-ish song, threw beautiful female counterparts to the entire band into the video, and put out a middle finger to Tajra as well as the entire negative not-fanbase in this song. If someone else has more accurate information, I'd love to hear it. This is just my recollection of various internet board postings 17 years ago.
It's strange you mention ABBA because, as I understand, Anette was an ABBA cover band singer before she was chosen for Nightwish. Or did you already know that? Anette's 2 albums with Nightwish are my favourites but I think that has more to do with Tuomas' song writing and the state of mind he was in when they were created. Floor remains my all-time favourite singer and performer and one of my most favourite people on the planet. Floor and Tuomas, what a combo!
Hey Eric! I really have enjoyed all your reaction videos. The way you break things down and can pin point these individual sounds and explain where they come from is very insightful. One of the few reaction channels that I have watched where I actually feel like its entertaining and I am learning something and its worth watching to the end! I am not part of the nightwish army but I fell into that rabbit hole many many years ago but only recently started looking through other nuclear blast records. So many good metal bands seem to end up there. My recommendation, as I would love to hear your thoughts, would be to check out Blind and Frozen by Beast in Black. I heard you mention in another video that others had said you had to hear Yannis Papadopoulos and this would be a great one to check out! Props again for the great videos. I am sure your channel will continue to grow quickly!
I concur! Yannis is phenomenal and Beast in Black is nothing short of amazing. I like to describe them as the lost love child of Abba and Judas Priest. Please do definitely check them out.
Excellent reaction. I think you caught my thoughts and feelings exactly . Anette has a great voice for a particular style of song. I happen to like this version of bye bye beautiful better than the other versions I have heard , even live versions by other singers. So to hear Anette at her best I think you made a great choice. Another good choice to hear Anette at her best is the music video version of Amaranth. You caught onto the brilliance of Tuomas's ability to adjust the tone of the song according to the ability and sound of the lead singer. He seems to try to give everyone in the band a chance to show off their skills and make them sound at their best. That being said Tuomas must be in heaven being able to write for a singer who is so versatile , talented and agreeable .
If you would like to hear a Nightwish song performed by all 3 singers go for "Sleeping Sun". There are some good live versions for each on the youtube.
It looks like we are building towards Poet, my suggestion is once you have done poet and you have an understanding of what the break up with Tarja was like (think back to "High Hopes" as that was the night it all came to a head.) Look at something like "My Walden" or "Alpenglow", "Shudder before the Beautiful" before going on to GSOE, it'll give you an idea of where Toumas is now mentally, emotionally and as importantly creatively.
Tuomas writes other things besides (heavy) metal. Have a listen to the band "Auri", where he, his wife Johanna Kurkela and Troy Donockley work on prog folk. And also Tuomas's solo project "Music Inspired By The Life And Times Of Scrooge" with the song "A Lifetime of Adventure" : ua-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/v-deo.html
Steve Harris of Iron Maiden said of the album Dark Passion Play by Nightwish " I think it’s one of the best-sounding albums I’ve ever heard in my life " .
I appreciate your refusal to weigh the pros and cons of their different singers. For me Floor is 1 if 1 but Nightwish is not what and who they are without the contributions of both Tarja and Anette. Anette is great and never claimed to be a metal singer. Tuomas wrote songs that she could deliver in a studio and she did that very well. There is a reason that their albums with her were so commercially successful. The album versions of Amaranth, Storytime and this track are awesome.
Oh man.. Tuomas flat out said that they couldn't make the new singer sing "Master passion greed" (the really angry song from Dark Passion Pop). Anette had no part in that and didn't want to drag her in. Yeah, Anette was great in the studio, was overwhelmed on stage. Didn't help that the Tarja-ettes blamed her, the one person who wasn't involved in the sacking. Banners telling her to top herself and in the crowd and such. Hey, they still haunt the NW Facebook page nearly 20 years on spamming "Nightwish died when they sacked Tarja" .But, in the end, they still ended up with problematic deva behavior (getting preggers to the support band on tour, making a huge deal when the crowd voted for NW to play without her when she was hospitalised) so that is why Tuomas asked Floor. He'd toured with her in around 2000, knew she was a professional musician first and foremost and Tuomas has mentioned recently he wanted her to replace Tarja but didn't want to be the man who broke up After Forever.
Tuomas has many talents but one of them is writing songs to match the vocal style of his vocalists.The 3 females, Marco & Troy. Annette sings jazz too. Check out Slow Love Slow by Nightwish on the Imaginarium Album and there is Storytime, I want my tears back, Last ride of the day. All songs showcased Annette & we now love hearing Floor sing them too!
Like a lot of people, I think Anette was a perfectly good singer. Her studio albums are great, and a handful of my favorite songs are Anette era songs. Unfortunately she was nowhere near as good live as Tarja was or Floor is. She also wasn't quite able to do the older songs justice in my opinion. But her major failing, and on she could never correct for, is the fact that she wasn't Tarja. And a lot of the fandom sure as shit weren't going to let her (or anyone else for that matter) forget it.
If you want to continue the Anette and "pop rock" songs, I recommend official video of "Amaranth", Anette is great and it is most definitely a radio friendly song.
This song always reminded me of the band Lilian Axe ( not sure if you remember them Eric). Some of the riff actually reminds me of newer Saxon also. Old dudes will understand!
Hello! It's a gift to see a knowledgeable person reacting to this band, and another type of gift to see someone go down the Nightwish rabbit hole in an emotional way. So thank you for both those facets of your journey! Just slipped into the comments for this little bit of info: ua-cam.com/video/z5KNhcMxrCw/v-deo.html (right pronunciation of Tarja's name) Feel free to delete the comment once you see it. Have a great day and stay in good health, hope to see a new video from you really soon!
LMAO! when you mentioned Van Hagar, I immediately thought of Crystal Pepsi! You also mention ABBA... I do believe Annette came to Nightwish from an ABBA cover band.
🤩👍💥 💯 🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙 If and in fact we Finns don't appreciate too much our eastern neighbours, so it was an odd choice(not in a bad way) when A. Olzon came on vocals to this magical band... Anyways "Nüric" Neat reaction män, as always. Greets from Finland 🇫🇮 🥶
The thing is that the album is a good album, but not a good Nightwish album. You can see that modifications were made in order to accommodate Anette. Which brings you to the main problem with Anette in Nightwish. She couldn't carry the rest of the songs. I've seen them live with Tarja in Wacken, and I've seen them live with Anette in Israel. one can not compare the to shows. I must add, you're right Anette has a great voice, just not for Nightwish.
Angry Nightwish is different and good, but I do prefer happy inspirational Nightwish….Shudder before the Beautiful at Wembley…the perfect uplifting show opener 😎🤘
Only few live video's with Anette are good...most of them are without audience. Like this rehearsal of Romanticide: ua-cam.com/video/BdhdqaFZJzs/v-deo.html Bye, bye beautiful was one of three songs Tuomas wrote in anger in the aftermath of Tarja's departure from the band: - Bye, Bye Beautiful (in anger towards Tarja) - Master Passion Greed (in anger towards her husband Marcello) - The Poet and the Pendulum (in anger towards himself)
I aprreciate that you caught the fact that this song is a radio composition. Tuomas wanted to be as largely broadcasted as possible probably. I need to tell you that, Toumas said in a in interview, that the easisest thing to do, is to create a composition of lenghtier duration, and the hardest thing is to write a song which is 3-4 minutes long. For example Ghost love score is about 10 minutes. Poet And the pendulum is about 15 minutes, and The Greatest Show on Earth is about 23 minutes !!! Those are the most viewed songs by reactors - but i must emphasis that there are others as well. For example Creek Mary's Blood - A native americans story which is (as far as i know) the only song used in a movie as a soundtrack which is about 8 minutes, Song Of Myself about 13 minutes (but in concerts are played about 6 minutes) ANNDD what i consider to be the best example - Imaginaerium (not the album, but the song) - a track which is an instrumental track which has about 6 minutes but is a FUSION of all the songs in the album - a remix if you would like.... but with this track you can clearly see how Tuomas creates an album. It's all about inspiration to create a song. Then from that song he can create a whole album and more. ALSO The album Human Nature (the last one realeased) there is a second cd which is a full staggering 30 minutes of Tuomas GENIUS in 8 songs which are all about the planet Earth in a symphony way (not symphonic metal).I really really really would like you to react to Creek's Mary's Blood Live from End of an Era 2004 with Tarja because it's a song that is so underrated - besides that, i really like,love and enjoy what you are doing. ... For the hope that would see Creek Mary's Blood on your channel i am subscribing right now.
"Meadows Of Heaven" if you want to hear another good song with Anette (ua-cam.com/video/vxsjv6LtRz0/v-deo.html), no music video exists as far as I know, you can find a fan-filmed live performance out there but the quality is not at 100%. I myself thought that wouldn't it be nice if we could get a Floor-version of this song, but not long after I had second thoughts - No, this is a good Anette song and let's leave it at that. Don't take it away from Anette, let her "keep" this song as her own. (Some things should just be left as they are, without anyone trying to improve it or make it better.) "Master Passion Greed" is kind of in the same suite as this song (more aimed towards Tarja's other half), but it's a lot heavier, and I really do mean A LOT heavier (ua-cam.com/video/hBTRq2Kgt3Q/v-deo.html). I was actually thinking the same way the first time I heard the band Psychework from Finland and their song "Siege", it's about the siege of Leningrad during WWII (ua-cam.com/video/q_sAecPORdQ/v-deo.html). Wouldn't it be nice if Sabaton could do a cover of this, after all they are doing songs about war history. Shortly thereafter (just some 10 minutes or so) I changed my mind and thought - No, this is a really good song by Psychework, and Antony Parviainen's vocals is exactly right for this song, in terms of expressing the dispair that people in Leningrad must have felt during the siege (it lasted for 2 years, 4 months, 2 weeks and 5 days - 872 days). Anyone else here who hasn't heard this song - Go and have a listen to it! I think I need to apologise to you again Eric, I seem to be unable to write short comments. For some reason it turns out to be half a novel every time. Cheers / B.
I guarantee Marko found this as cathartic as the rest of the guys bc he had bad blood w Tarja (pron: Tar-Yuh) for a couple years. Trying to share vocals. And her never showing to rehersals...And he delivers a strong vocal, even w that reverb. Marko makes every song better! There is one good live video w Anette...a jazz joint called Slow Love Slow. I don't recommend anything else live w her, the backing track is prominent, voice is thin and not much power. But she saw Nightwish thru their most commercial period. And I respect the hell outta her.
Anette took a lot of hate and put up with a lot of shit from the Tarja fans (BTW, it's pronounced TARRR-ia and roll the R). Before doing the Poet, I'd suggest also doing "Master Passion Greed". That song is a raging rant about Tarja's husband, who the band blames for their problems with Tarja. There's no live performance and never will there ever be one, so just grab the album version and run with it. To give you an idea how difficult an painful this all is, when Floor sings the "Poet and the Pendulum" during the Imaginaerum tour, Tuomas had her vocals removed from his in-ears feed as he didn't want to relive it during the performance. You've probably already got this, but the song draws from the "Pit and the Pendulum" by Edgar Allen Poe and its subject of psychological torture. If you do the Wembley version, and I recommend that one, note how at the end Emppu and Marko are standing with Tuomas while Kai and Floor are looking over at him to see how he's doing.
You know what would be very interesting? (Although it might make for a way too long video) Planet Hell! It was originally recorded with Tarja but in NW’s channel there are great versions with both Anette and Floor (Anette’s was recorded in a studio and Floor’s live), so you can really compare their differences in style.
This was the perfect reaction with the perfect Anette song n the perfect version ...It's a song that only Anette has done ,Floor is friends with Tarja pronounced TAR-E-YA all the members of this band has a "Y" sound instead of the "J" sound Jensen ,the 2 Jukka's n Tarja why this is perfect version being the official video is Nightwish making fun of critics saying they got Anette as a sex appeal reason.
just my opinion when you do "poet and the pendulum" do the live version with Floor. please.. would be cool to see you do a Floor cover??but with all that more NW please...ROCK ON!
BTW (Yes, I will comment many times in a row, engagement to you, I guess? anyway...) after "islander (live)" video have you listen to CD version (MV one?). It is made beautifully, Anette's vocals meet with Marco's perfectly and they have Troy there too (he is playing an instrument and has no beard, at the time he has a guest and featured artist on the song before he was a permanent member of this band)
Don't care who's singing (all three are very capable). Don't really care about the message since it wasnt directed at me. Great lyrics, great performance. I do think though that female Tuomas' Korg was unplugged 🧐I'd have listened the hell out of that if it had ran on US stations. But alas, no airplay here. Perhaps with your spot on reactions, new listeners will join the Army. I concur.
And for some other songs that are Radio ready - i suggest Where Were You Last Night a remake after Ankie Bagger's song from 1989, and Nemo live with Tarja, and I Wish i Had An Angel
Not a reaction request just more of a during your spare time to see this done live, try Bye Bye Beautiful live from Sydney Mosh cam video, it's done really well and I love it because Jukka is on fire beating the hell out of his kit during that performance, and please don't forget about Wacken 2013, you've only scratched the surface of that show, there's not a bad song in the entire set and you haven't gotten to the real bangers yet ,Song of myself, Amaranth, Storytime, She is my sin, and a personal favorite of mine I want my tears back and one of their Signature songs Nemo, I'm sure these have all been suggested already but I'm really anxious to see your feelings on those and also since you appreciate Marco check out Kiss while your lips are still red from Wembley another one with a powerful message about appreciating what you have while you have it and it's probably one you'll hear once and not be able to listen to it again for a while but it's a beautiful song, I always enjoy seeing people explore NIGHTWISH and how many directions they can take you , classic rock sound to folky to progressive to straight up metal, explore and have fun!
people also dump on Annette because of how she left. i don't know if it was before the tour, or after it started, that Annette got pregnant. they were already planning to bring Floor in for the South American and Australia dates when Annette was scheduled to take off to have her baby. (the details are from an article i read 2 plus years ago, so, 🤬 dO YoUr ReSeArCh 🤬 if you want exact quotes) then she got really sick. she went to the hospital right before a show in Denver ("The Denver Debacle") and it was decided, either by her or the band, i don't know exactly, that she would not return, and they called Floor, can you come now? Floor appeared with them for the first time in Seattle 2 days later. look up "Floor Seattle Speech" and see her thank the Seattle fans when they returned 2 years later on the EFMB tour. that's the example of how genuine, humble, and real Floor is that i point people to.
So here we are. I usually try to avoid these songs but yeah Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were, I believe, Tuomas's cathartic relief of the break up. A song for Tarja and a song for Marcelo so he could get it out of his system and start fresh. Tarja ,it seems to me, had really been taking the high road over the situation but she did not seem at all impressed with Dark Passion Play and Master Passion Greed in particular. Her "response" was the song Enough if you like to check it out. I must admit to being one of the haters that never gave Anette a chance. Her being so much better in the studio versus live only rubbed salt in the wound of Tarja's dismissal. Bands breaking up and changing members is a fact of life but the way it happened left a lot of disgust for Tuomas & Marko in me for years. I didn't really pay them much attention again until Imaginaerum (while DPP was the only album in between it was three years and a lot of touring). Imaginaerum does have, in my opinion, the best Nightwish song for Anette's voice in The Crow the Owl and the Dove.
This is the first most of us saw of Annette. From the first 10 seconds her body language was just wrong. It felt forced and unauthentic. That was long before we realized she couldn’t pull it off live. Tuomas was so shellshocked after the backlash of firing Tarja, he kept her around way too long.
Excellent analysis and I am with you 100%. And it is also smart to go back in time and get some "vibe" from the former singers, to really see how Nightwish have evolved through time - from their composing, style and to their lyrics. In that way you clearly see the impact Floor and Troy had, when they became permanent members. It's also important to remember to time-line here. Both Troy and Floor were real professionals when they arrived (the documentary "the making of Endless forms most beautiful" shows this). Especially Floor who had been writing and composing for more than a decade on top level, she participated on a whole new level, compared to former singers. And as you say, Anette is a very good singer, especially to this type of compositions (Tuomas is a genius in knowing exactly how-to) - but on live concerts, she came on short. She is better now - much better. It's incredible to see how the 3 singers perform the same songs differently - and there are fans to all of the versions. It really shows the evolution and the effects of the lead singer - and how well the rest of the band can adjust to the lead singers personality and style - and vice versa. The fans reaction is another story.... Excellent analysis and reaction - and please don't worry about doing a lot of Nightwish reactions - their songs and styles are so versatile from pure classical music, celtic folk, to heavy metal, that it will never feel alike. The reason might be in the change of lead singers..
Anette is a pretty good we pop singer but i believe Nightwish prefers a more powerful dramatic vocalist like Tarja or Floor. It just suites the Symphonic sound more. Dark passion play is one of the most Aggressive songs they ever made. It's an attack towards Tarja husband as the band and Tuomas felt he caused the rift between the group. But then again those rumours that Tuomas was in love with Tarja? Maybe it's just some fans imagined or wished that was the case but no real proof has ever been shown. People forget Tuomas and Tarja formed this band and they where best friends and grow up together since school. There's a hell of a lot of emotional heartbreak.
Do all 3 of the breakup from tarja Do master passion greed next It's about tarjas husband And then finish it of with the poet and the pendulum Master passion don't exist as a live performance. They have never played it live
Must must listen to Master Passion Greed - no live, no video, but you do not need it to fully experience the message. Marko is on fire & it is a heavy metal song. Angry Tuomas is just as awesome as happy Tuomas, artistically.
Ok, you said Marco is on everything and in "human nature" album all 3 vocalist get to sing: Floor, Marco and Troy. it is great album and CD1 is vocal one, so I hope you do reaction to all songs one by one
If you want more Annette, please make sure to listen to 'Amaranth', a.k.a. their other video with more than 100M views. It's a bit less of a 'message song', but an **absolute banger** nonetheless. Plus, it's the one song that simply belongs to Annette, in the sense that not even the glorious Floor has been able to make it her own. Once you hear the chorus, you'll understand.
Maybe you should listen to Scaretale...live version (is in the NW official channel )...I think that is an Anette's song...she is perfect in that... witchy stile.. you'll see 🖤😬😬🤘🏻
Annette is a great singer! It’s hard to come into a band and replace the original singer, and it did, absolutely cause a rift between the fans. But that being said, it seems that rift was closed by Floor. Floor seems to have healed the band and healed the fans. The Nightwish army is whole again. I will agree that 2006-2007 was an extremely emotional time for Nightwish as well as was 2012 when Annette left the band and Floor had to fly from Europe to Denver (I think) and finish the tour having only the flight plus 3 days to learn the set list and practice with the band, singing with Marco for the first time. And she killed it!
Here Delain ft. Floor and Marko already in 2009, sorry bad quality: ua-cam.com/video/hHtJsiLAkM4/v-deo.html. And there is also a single version of Face Your Demons by Floor's After Forever ft. Marko from 2006.
like always a damn fine reaction! some fun thing abou this video since I do not see anyone else mentioning it this video is all girls cuz when Tuomas chose Annette to replace Tarja, many fans were saying they cose her cuz she is pretty! so in this video they chose to be all girls to make fun of that accusation!!! and this video is the most watched video of nightwish and also the label channel on youtube!!!
I love Floor, I love Traja (Nigthwish or solo) as I love Anette (again both on Nigthwish and solo), they are diferent as vocalists but all made part of the history of the band... The world has bigger problems than Nigthwish fans busting each others balls all over the internet about who is the best nigthwish vocalist! They are all from where I stand! Music should be fun... And I HAVE FUN listening to Nigthwish Whom ever sings the song! All the love from Portugal!
Couple things here: 1) nightwish live, with floor, may be a top 5 bands for me, even playing old songs. 2) as a rule I am not a fan of Annette in the context of this band. Her voice is way to poppy, without the ability to play the catalogue. 3) I am really not a fan of the majority of nightwish's catalogue in studio...i generally find their studio albums overdone/over produced... this particular song is an exception.
I love how the model guitar player drops to her knees to shred and she is still taller than Emppu standing in his power stance/ lunging guitar warrior pose! 😁
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Anette's studio work is really good. I'm not really a fan of her live performances, but both albums with Anette are awesome.
This song was Tuomas' message to Tarja. He also had a message for her husband on that same album. Even more agressive and angry lyrics, packaged with the heaviest music Nighwish has done so far. It's called 'Master Passion Greed' and it's sung by Marko. They have never played it live, but there is a nice fan-made video around ua-cam.com/video/Bkib0dIziXk/v-deo.html
Of course there's also 'The Poet And The Pendulum' on this album in which Tuomas gives an insight into his state of mind after everything that went down with Tarja.
Agree yeah not great live never wnet to live show with her costs me alot to go in Canda hotel flight there and back yeah expensive.
I concur. This is a VERY angry song that is a Must listen to
I concur. Probably the darkest Nighwish tonally.
Oh yeah, in "Master Passion Greed" you get to hear what a really angry Tuomas sounds like. He needed to pour out a whole lot of emotions with that album.
Definitely a yes to MPG.
This is the one song that shows very clear that the decision to fire Tarja was unanimous. It's pure rage that grows and grows, yet still stays a great symphonic metal song.
Watching several interviews and listening to several interpretations of the same songs, I understood something: every time a member leaves the band, the one who replaces does not try to imitate his/her style, in Nightwish. I noticed this in the case of Tarja / Anette (explained by Floor in one of her first interviews after entering Nightwish), I also noticed this since Marco left, in a few songs from the virtual concert. Each of them has its own unique voice, and no attempt has been made to duplicate this uniqueness by those who followed. It seems to me an honest approach.
One more thing: I understand that the fans upset by Tarja's departure reproached the band for choosing Anette because she was beautiful in the first place, so in this video they chose a team of beautiful girls instead of all the band members :)
What's the old saying, don't be the guy who replaced the legend, be the guy that replaced the guy who replaced the legend.
This holds true here.
The biggest difference between the three singers comes down to range of tone and versatility.
Taria and Annette were at opposite ends of soprano.
Floor Jansen can do what the previous two did and everything in between.
The third part of the trinity of anger is "Master Passion Greed", perhaps Nightwish's angriest and heaviest song and directed toward Tarja's husband. Never been played live and never will. If you do it, please do the lyric video so you know what's being sung. Link here: ua-cam.com/video/wS7NrPNjACI/v-deo.html
I concur. The fan-made video is really well made, but I'd say that it doesn't "add" anything. The lyrics video on the other hand... Well, it's not one of the easiest to understand songs (in terms of pronunciation over the instruments), so being able to read along is really helpful 🙃
I concur. another must hear song, I just wish there was a video to go along with it
One of the Best from Marko! 😁
I concur. This one should be next!
I concur, amazing song.
You won't find a live version with Floor. She doesn't want to sing this because she and Tarja are good friends.
It has nothing to do with Floor. Nightwish performed this song only on the Dark Passion Play world tour, and then Tuomas considered it irrelevant and had never played it live since 2008, long before Floor.
I've loved Nightwish almost from the beginning. I was young and very sad when Tarja was fired.
When Dark Passion Play came out I was almost shocked. It was so different from what I was used to, but at the same time it was very Nightwish. And so good !!
The two albums with Anette on vocals are for me the best. I come back to them again and again.
With Floor came a new era. She has sung on two good albums. Now they are working on their 10th studio album. I'm so excited about what's coming.🤘
Nothing wrong with some well placed anger, especially in defense of oneself. I like it too.
All three singers have made an important impact on the band. I don’t like to compare the three as I like them all for different reasons.
Everything you said about Anette is spot on. She was placed in a rough position, but one she surely couldn't pass up. And she received (and continues to receive) a lot of unwarranted hate. As others have pointed out, she wasn't nearly as good live as Tarja or Floor. She's said as much herself in interviews. She feels much more comfortable in the studio and it shows. In fact, I might even venture to say her studio work is better than Tarja or Floor, in that she really knows how to harmonize with herself and deliver a melody.
It's also worth mentioning the impact she had on the band. On the previous 5 albums, Tuomas was writing with Tarja's powerful operatic voice in mind. Anette's strength is hooks. She's Swedish, the country that's mastered pop music. So his writing changed to accommodate, and even though her stay with the band was relatively short, Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are right up there with their best. Any Nightwish fan will tell you as much. Unfortunately, the band really shines live and Anette couldn't really deliver.
That being said, I'd recommend checking out her new band: The Dark Element. They're also a symphonic metal band, but a bit more "poppy". Jani Liimatainen writes songs that fully utilize Anette's strengths and they're worth a listen.
Side note (apologies for the rambling!), if you're looking for more Anette with Nightwish, I'd recommend "The Escapist". It's a B-side that never made it on to an album (which is wild to me) and is perhaps her best showing with the band.
Cheers from Boston
This, and Amaranth, are to me the best NightWish/Annette era tracks.
Also.... i concur.
I concur, with "The Escapist" as a forgotten gem. Best quality - studio audio only in YT.
I concur!
I second The Dark Element. Eric, you should give it a listen sometime, even if it's not for a reaction ;)
Swedish= Master in black/death metal, no pop music!!!
Hi Eric.
I believe it can be quite a handicap going into this song withou hearing Tarja first. I hope you'll still be able to appreciate their original era with Tarja without any prejudice. I'd certainly recommend watching some of the older hits with Tarja before diving into the Poet and the Pendulum.
For the first impression I'd probably recommend Sleeping Sun, possibly contrary to popular opinion that is you should watch Phantom of the Opera. But Phantom is a cover, but I think that listening to the Nigtwish'es original song would hit differently with you.
So yeah. Sleeping Sun with Tarja would be my suggestion for you.
See ya in your next video, and thanks for the great content you provide us with :-)
YES Sleeping sun and Nemo with Tarja are great! Still love The Phantom of The Opera! (Marko😍)
I think Tarja sings Planet Hell best. And of course Creek Mary's Blood, Ever Dream, Swan Heart and Beauty of the Beast.
@@KristiinaBerg I'm going to get hate for this. I apologize however Tahja was good live here studio performances were also much better.
In life she was often out of flat and couldn't hold the notes in key. Please don't misunderstand. She is fantastic.. however. Floor fits with everything that they do. It really is amazing.
And if you don't know how hard it is replace a nother member especially vocals. Ask any musician. Yes Floor Tah did a project together and talked once. I doesn't mean there friends.
@@ejllamobeolan5025 Although I am not fan of Tarja's pronunciation and the timbre in her voice, there is something classy and magical about her.
Yep. Floor fan here, but Sleeping Sun with Tarja is magical. Phantom is a Marko song :D
i concur in "master,passion,greed" it rounds out the trifecta...i also chuckled a bit when you said about tuomas not doing broadway or disney-esque tunes or anything like that because he did an album "the life and times of scrooge mcduck"....which really is amazing...song is sung by his wife Johanna Kurkela. and the video has Don Rosa the illustrator of the disney ducks.... ua-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/v-deo.html
i concur to the life and times of scrooge mcduck - ( A Lifetime of Adventure ) :)
Lol yes Tuomas wrote a whole EP about his favorite graphic novel. Also don't forget that imaginaerum is not just a concept album but a full length motion picture co-written by Tuomas. Johanna is a beautiful person, singer, soul. If you are not familiar she, Tuomas, & Troy have a side project called Auri.
Amaranth is even more radio-friendly.
It's really cool to have someone with your radio experience check out this song. It's not the only song on the album that could be considered perfect for the radio while also uniquely Nightwish.
Honestly, Anette had it tougher than anyone. It's fine not to like her vocal style or to think she needed to improve her live performance ability but every single thing about her from her voice to her appearance and aesthetic to her attitude and personality was absolutely ripped to shreds by a subset of the "fanbase". Slowly but surely she got better and better and my favourite album ever, Imaginaerum, was done with her brilliant vocals but unfortunately I don't think she ever got to fully realise her potential with Nightwish.
Thankfully nowadays she is busy living her best life doing musical side-projects part time while working as a nurse.
Unfortunately, Anette couldn't reproduce her studio performances on stage. She's not the only good singer with that problem. And fans love Nightwish live. It's where they really shine.
I would argue that point, I saw her live during the dark passion play tour and she was good. Her performance was spot on. I’ve seen other performances of her performing live and frankly I think her best vocals were not with Nightwish. Unfortunately for her she was replaced by one of the best singers in the world. We also have to remember that some of Nightwish’s best selling albums were with her on vocals. Those albums would’ve tanked especially the second one if all those live performances were so bad.
I concur
I saw documentary called End of the era, in there everyone is backstage including the "Navajo Indian" dude and you could see that everybody was tense. Because they knew this could be THE last show. Emppu tried to throw some jokes so the guest star wouldn't feel unwelcome or anything. But Tuomas, Jukka ,Marco were all just silent and in their own thoughts. It was little grinch to see, but thank goodness all worked out better in the end.
TY I enjoy your Nightwish reactions
Tuomas wrote The Poet And The Pendulum (song about himself), Bye Bye Beautiful (song about Tarja) and Master Passion Greed (song about her meddling husband / manager).
Tara wrote I Walk Alone (song about herself.) and Sing For Me (song about Tuomas).
Then both sides moved on with their own carreers. To my knowledge, Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were never played live.
Both Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were played live. I am pretty sure that BBB was played at the first show of their US tour. I know MPG was played at a show in Allentown, PA.
@@davidlewis5929 Master Passion Greed has never been played live, not even in Allentown, PA. Bye Bye Beautiful play count stands at 156 live shows.
@@jackfinn567 I guess myself and the other 2 people I was with must have imagined that. We probably also imagined the 10+ min jam session that Marko, Emppu and Troy that was unlike anything we had seen in any other show.
As a slight correction, I Walk Alone is not about Tarja. She did choose it because she identified with it, but the actual writers' inspiration was a Mozart piece. Jørn Lande does a phenomenal version as well.
Fricking Out standing, from one of the best bands out there
Here's another Dutch symphonic metal band you need to check out.
Blackbriar as their own
Unique metal sound.
Zora the lead singer Is one of those rare singers
Whose voice is so different Zora can't be be duplicated. Like Kate Bush or Nina Hagen there will only be one.
•Please react to Arms of the Ocean.
Blackbriar is produced by
Joost van den Broek
singer = talent! Songs sound good, But the compositions need a bit more work (bit too much of the same thing..., for my taste...)
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I think their songwriting is excellent. With a different songwriter, it wouldn't be Blackbriar. They have their style of songwriting and it's something that grows on you once you catch on to what they are going for with each song
@@atsz. Well, I edited my contribution (as you may have seen) because my first words where a bit too harsh. But I do think that their songwriting needs a bit of work: the songs sound good, but they lack a bit of dynamics. (listen for instance to band like Nightwish, Ayreon or Epica to hear how you can make a song dynamic so as to keep the attention of the listener)
@@rientsdijkstra4266 I understand, and well, I'm just glad to see you comparing Blackbriar to these bands (legends, really). They've certainly come a long way.
@@atsz. Ok, keep up the good work! 😎🤘
Good point about Anette being the messenger.. haven't thought about it like that. Since you listened to this before The Poet and The Pendulum, you should probably listen to Master Passion Greed too! ua-cam.com/video/hBTRq2Kgt3Q/v-deo.html
Anette being the messenger is spot on; remember, "Don't shoot the Messenger"! Outside of context, this is a good song.
Indeed! I always thought Master Passion Greed would be perfect to listen to before PATP just to really let it sink in how upset Tuomas was but usually people do it after.
Anette gets a lot of unwarranted hate.
She is obviously no Floor or Tarja and she doesn't have the depth of colour but she is good outside the context of Nightwish.
She does some NW songs really well too and those 2 albums she did were two of the most popular - that has to say something.
TPATP is my No 1 Nightwish song so glad you're coming to it. (No 2 is Song of Myself and No 3 is 7 Days to the Wolves)
When you've done TPATP you may want to listen to the demo version which is all Marco vocals sounding quite like he does here in places.
But the demo is angrier, lyrically and in delivery so worth a listen.
Emppu is badly underrated. I'm my opinion he is a true Master, almost a GOAT.
i concur. there's a live version of TPATP with Annette and Jukka still in the band. i watched it because i wanted to hear it with Jukka. it's an emotionally heavy song. the one everyone wants is the Wembley version with Floor and Kai, of course. no one will ever call Annette a bad singer. Tuomas doesn't hire bad musicians. she was simply radically different from Tarja, and, not as Floor as Floor is, if that makes sense.
Hate is too strong word used too often... a lot of people are just disappointed with the quality of singing Anette can offer. Just my take on the matter...
@ssc00p Yes I agree, but I couldn't think of the exact word I wanted. More than dislike...
Scaretale is a good example of a song Annette shined on, at least imo.
A world without songs like Storytime, Scaretale and Song of Myself is a world much less fun, and those songs most likely wouldntve been created if it werent for Anette being in Nightwish.
Nightwish is a staple favorite in my playlist. Another great band to check out is 'Beast In Black'. I recommend starting with "Blind And Frozen".
I concur
I concur. Beast In Black plays as Nightwish support this year.
Forgot to mention Beast In Black is perfect locker room music. It's fun and powerful. Their music videos are cheesy, fun and inspired by the 80s...
There are three songs on DPP that deal with the break up with Tarja. This one is written about Tarja, The Poet and the Pendulum deals with Tuomas's state of mind after basically he was ran over by the rollercoaster of angry fans. (Even the Finnish Prime Minister was asked to comment on her dismissal).
The third song is about Marcelo, (Tarja's husband) Master Passion Greed. This song is the most dark and angry song Tuomas ever wrote and Marko never sounded more angry, also Jukka tried to kill the drums and Emppu has never sounded chunkier. But the song is killer; good speed, chunky riffs and pure rage that grows and grows in the song.
I always feel bad saying this but I truly wish Tuomas was pissed more often.
I agree completely about "Master Passion Greed"! I've never heard a angrier song fein Nightwish.
The models are Tuomas's reaction to fans accusing him of choosing Annette for her looks not voice. So they replace the whole band.
This song has a message that Tuomas felt needed to be said, but he is not going to waste his creative genius on this matter any further. That is why it is radio friendly (hooky).
good point
Please react to Ignea - Alga if you want to show any solidarity for the Ukrane. The song was written a few years ago however the lyrics are surprisingly relevant today.
I'm glad they didn't stay digging in that tacklebox.
Radiohits are needed sometimes and Anette did a couple of thoose. Or should I say that Tuomas made a couple for her?? And therefore made their singer perform in the segment she could shine in.
Thank you for staying with the sizeratios (you vs screen)
Much Love 💙💛💙
"This is close to being the perfect rock radio song". Wait 'til you hear Nemo... 😏
The Interloper in Nightwish’s History is Tarja’s Husband, Tuomas wrote for Tarja this Changed the Core of Nightwish. Tuomas was Very close to Tarja before Nightwish, Long Friendship Growing Up. Tarja Changed after Marriage, the influence from Her Husband Created a Power Struggle in the band. Tarja Sided with her husband, this was tearing the band apart. Tuomas said Tarja could not be replaced (Talent was too good to him), So he was not going try. Unfortunately a lot of the fans did not respond well to the change, it was said that he was in pain when writing anything that was like what he had written for Tarja. Anette was not Tarja, relief maybe for tuomas in his writing , but the “Change” created a turbulence in the Nightwish World (Anger and Sadness).
SHUDDER BEFORE THE BEAUTIFUL LIVE AT WEMBLEY ARENA U MUST WATCH THIS SONG ITS SO OVERLOOKED!!!!
Greatest Show on Earth! My favorite song of all time. It single handedly made me come to terms with my mortality
I love this track!! It's mostly definitely a reaction worthy song. I would recommend the "Live @ Tampere" performance.
Bummer... Not LIVE at Wembley Arena? How disappointing. Maybe next time.
Anette was, well is, a brilliant vocalist on her own, no doubt about that. She's just not what a Nightwish vocalist needs to be, she was the Nightwish vocalist the Band members needed her to be at the time but on the long run not the vocalist Nightwish needs.
Annette was a ferry for Nightwish to cross over the bitterness and transform into something otherwordly we see it become. It wouldn't be fair for the vocalist to carry that hate on her words for the rest of the bands life, when she had no role in the original trauma.
Floor 🌸 was the new blossom of Nightwish, and her shoulders carry no weight of the past.
For me, the best two albums of NW are from Anette era... Imaginaerum album is above everything they had done before or after it, there is something in that album, that touches my very being.. Still I believe Floor is the best for the band and lot of Anette songs are great with Floor :)
I feel bad for Anette. She's asked to replace the Nightwish MATRIACH, and does a good job, only to become the female Wally Pipp for Floor seven years later.
2 great Selling Pop Rock Albums, this Song ....for me its simply bad Taste. What does it say about you, if you have to kick on someone once more, in public. Well at least, Selling Stats were good for this. Best from all of this for me were the cute Drummer Model in the Making of. All others are simply try not be bored, only she sits there always practicing.Saw it last Year for the first Time, wasnt interested in that at all, topped by the Thema of this Song.
Surely said already, the Best for me is, that they had to adapt because of Possibilities they had at Hand, and that works great and without Lineup Change i Think the Band wont be , where its Today in Versatality.
Very good Recap, you see it as it is, great Mainstream Rock pop with Metal Tunes. And Yes, Annette is an tragic Figure for my Taste too, and even if any bad Habit Rumor of here is true, so what, she had balls of Iron to Step in, the 2 Albums were Cashcows, She cant take her Kid on Tour, were pregnant....other Females would give them Hell on other Level as she is called out for, after they Sacked her. 2k5 to 2k13 i didnt follow them, not my music, and surely not my style to treat Humans. I be thankfull all my life that my buddies didnt ask just shovelt me to Wacken in the Summer 13 back then.
I love nightwish but I have a soft spot for Anette because she was Era of nightwish that I first heard Dark passion play was my first nightwish album then was a live concert release of that tour. Anette sounded great. My first time seeing Nightwish live was the Imaginarium tour but was a 1 off in Universal amphitheater that I got to see with anette. They did a metal cruise and then back to Europe. Was later that fall they did an entire north American tour for Imaginarium. I seen that as well in CA however that's the tour Anette was a few months pregnant and was let go from the band a few stops before the night I had tix for. Floor was flown in to fill in for vocals the rest of the tour. I was upfront that night. Floor was amazing. Actually she was better than she has been on the last 2 tours. My opinion. Anyway was an exciting time I got to meet Floor and the band and hang out. I have photos with all and Floor was drinking a bud light after the show .I also met Marco earlier that day when they were loading in. Super cool dude.
Imaginareum and DPP were both great albums musically , not a fan of Anette's vocals , sorry ....going from Tarja to Anette was a drastic change vocally and i know tuomas didnt want a copycat of Tarja but for me it didnt work .
I do know Tuomas really wanted Floor after Tarja was kicked out but After Forever was gaining popularity and Floor was really committed to them and he didnt want to interfere with that .
I really love this whole "Dark Passion Play" with Annette. She has a different sound, and it's okay! Personally, I don't understand why "Bye Bye Beautiful" never got any play time in the US. I know I would have listened to Nightwish.
I love Dark Passion Play. One of my favorite Nightwish albums.
It did get some play in the US, along with Amaranth (my personal favorite) both versions, studio with Annette and live at Wacken with Floor however you're right for some reason mainstream radio never really caught on to their music whether it was lack of promotion or they just didn't think it would be well received by listeners who hadn't been exposed to progressive music at the time, either way BIG MISTAKE! I grew up on ACDC, Zeppelin, Van Halen but NIGHTWISH has been my favorite band for years, don't underestimate what listeners will like, lesson to radio people everywhere you've cheated people out of hearing the best music out there!
Anette sings Nightwish ballads in my opinion best of the singers. Check out for instance Eva, so beautiful. Another song that will blow your mind is Scaretale with Anette and Marko.
As usual, great reaction. Very insightful comments on Anette's position as messenger. Someone else already mentioned my favorite of her tracks, so I'll go concur with it instead of leaving it here.
Who knows how accurate this is, as it's likely a fuzzy memory combined with potentially wildly inaccurate information in the first place, but from what I recall when this whole ordeal went down, the internet fans were convinced choosing Anette was "selling out", "going commercial", "a "vain choice" etc, and the Nightwish sound would change entirely with that. Tuomas responded by writing this very "radio-friendly"-ish song, threw beautiful female counterparts to the entire band into the video, and put out a middle finger to Tajra as well as the entire negative not-fanbase in this song. If someone else has more accurate information, I'd love to hear it. This is just my recollection of various internet board postings 17 years ago.
It's strange you mention ABBA because, as I understand, Anette was an ABBA cover band singer before she was chosen for Nightwish. Or did you already know that?
Anette's 2 albums with Nightwish are my favourites but I think that has more to do with Tuomas' song writing and the state of mind he was in when they were created.
Floor remains my all-time favourite singer and performer and one of my most favourite people on the planet. Floor and Tuomas, what a combo!
That's what I think too! Great albums but it's becouse of Tuomas. Floor is my favorite but I like many Anette's song too 👍
Hey Eric! I really have enjoyed all your reaction videos. The way you break things down and can pin point these individual sounds and explain where they come from is very insightful. One of the few reaction channels that I have watched where I actually feel like its entertaining and I am learning something and its worth watching to the end!
I am not part of the nightwish army but I fell into that rabbit hole many many years ago but only recently started looking through other nuclear blast records. So many good metal bands seem to end up there. My recommendation, as I would love to hear your thoughts, would be to check out Blind and Frozen by Beast in Black. I heard you mention in another video that others had said you had to hear Yannis Papadopoulos and this would be a great one to check out!
Props again for the great videos. I am sure your channel will continue to grow quickly!
I concur! Yannis is phenomenal and Beast in Black is nothing short of amazing. I like to describe them as the lost love child of Abba and Judas Priest. Please do definitely check them out.
Excellent reaction. I think you caught my thoughts and feelings exactly . Anette has a great voice for a particular style of song. I happen to like this version of bye bye beautiful better than the other versions I have heard , even live versions by other singers. So to hear Anette at her best I think you made a great choice. Another good choice to hear Anette at her best is the music video version of Amaranth. You caught onto the brilliance of Tuomas's ability to adjust the tone of the song according to the ability and sound of the lead singer. He seems to try to give everyone in the band a chance to show off their skills and make them sound at their best. That being said Tuomas must be in heaven being able to write for a singer who is so versatile , talented and agreeable .
If you would like to hear a Nightwish song performed by all 3 singers go for "Sleeping Sun". There are some good live versions for each on the youtube.
Also Planet Hell and Nemo 👍 I think they all did those great 😊
It looks like we are building towards Poet, my suggestion is once you have done poet and you have an understanding of what the break up with Tarja was like (think back to "High Hopes" as that was the night it all came to a head.) Look at something like "My Walden" or "Alpenglow", "Shudder before the Beautiful" before going on to GSOE, it'll give you an idea of where Toumas is now mentally, emotionally and as importantly creatively.
I concur
Or he could even take a little detour and try Auri... "Night 13" or "The Space Between" probably being the two most obvious picks 🥰
Tuomas writes other things besides (heavy) metal. Have a listen to the band "Auri", where he, his wife Johanna Kurkela and Troy Donockley work on prog folk. And also Tuomas's solo project "Music Inspired By The Life And Times Of Scrooge" with the song "A Lifetime of Adventure" : ua-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/v-deo.html
Steve Harris of Iron Maiden said of the album Dark Passion Play by Nightwish " I think it’s one of the best-sounding albums I’ve ever heard in my life " .
I appreciate your refusal to weigh the pros and cons of their different singers. For me Floor is 1 if 1 but Nightwish is not what and who they are without the contributions of both Tarja and Anette. Anette is great and never claimed to be a metal singer. Tuomas wrote songs that she could deliver in a studio and she did that very well. There is a reason that their albums with her were so commercially successful. The album versions of Amaranth, Storytime and this track are awesome.
poet and the pendulum from wembley 2015 may be the best performance .
2015, official live from Wembley
Oh man.. Tuomas flat out said that they couldn't make the new singer sing "Master passion greed" (the really angry song from Dark Passion Pop). Anette had no part in that and didn't want to drag her in. Yeah, Anette was great in the studio, was overwhelmed on stage. Didn't help that the Tarja-ettes blamed her, the one person who wasn't involved in the sacking. Banners telling her to top herself and in the crowd and such. Hey, they still haunt the NW Facebook page nearly 20 years on spamming "Nightwish died when they sacked Tarja" .But, in the end, they still ended up with problematic deva behavior (getting preggers to the support band on tour, making a huge deal when the crowd voted for NW to play without her when she was hospitalised) so that is why Tuomas asked Floor. He'd toured with her in around 2000, knew she was a professional musician first and foremost and Tuomas has mentioned recently he wanted her to replace Tarja but didn't want to be the man who broke up After Forever.
Master Passion Greed is Marco's Song no one other could sing it.
Tuomas has many talents but one of them is writing songs to match the vocal style of his vocalists.The 3 females, Marco & Troy.
Annette sings jazz too. Check out Slow Love Slow by Nightwish on the Imaginarium Album and there is
Storytime, I want my tears back, Last ride of the day. All songs showcased Annette & we now love hearing Floor sing them too!
Like a lot of people, I think Anette was a perfectly good singer. Her studio albums are great, and a handful of my favorite songs are Anette era songs. Unfortunately she was nowhere near as good live as Tarja was or Floor is. She also wasn't quite able to do the older songs justice in my opinion. But her major failing, and on she could never correct for, is the fact that she wasn't Tarja. And a lot of the fandom sure as shit weren't going to let her (or anyone else for that matter) forget it.
The problem with Annette is that she sounds quite accepatble (if rather poppy) in the studio, but she has trouble reproducing this on the live stage.
If you want to continue the Anette and "pop rock" songs, I recommend official video of "Amaranth", Anette is great and it is most definitely a radio friendly song.
Phantom of The Opera with Tarja (and Marko😁) from End of The Era consert Please.
This song always reminded me of the band Lilian Axe ( not sure if you remember them Eric). Some of the riff actually reminds me of newer Saxon also. Old dudes will understand!
HA! Good pull! Nice Jambalaya Rock!! That's a New Orleans reference for anyone not getting that! Now I want to hear Metal Church!
Eric
Hello!
It's a gift to see a knowledgeable person reacting to this band, and another type of gift to see someone go down the Nightwish rabbit hole in an emotional way. So thank you for both those facets of your journey!
Just slipped into the comments for this little bit of info: ua-cam.com/video/z5KNhcMxrCw/v-deo.html (right pronunciation of Tarja's name)
Feel free to delete the comment once you see it. Have a great day and stay in good health, hope to see a new video from you really soon!
Nightwish Amaranth Original video, Nuff Said. Live Annete Olzon ? Montreux Festival France.Emppu on Guitar is like Floor with her Voice.
LMAO! when you mentioned Van Hagar, I immediately thought of Crystal Pepsi! You also mention ABBA... I do believe Annette came to Nightwish from an ABBA cover band.
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If and in fact we Finns don't appreciate too much our eastern neighbours, so it was an odd choice(not in a bad way) when A. Olzon came on vocals to this magical band... Anyways "Nüric"
Neat reaction män, as always.
Greets from Finland 🇫🇮 🥶
The thing is that the album is a good album, but not a good Nightwish album.
You can see that modifications were made in order to accommodate Anette. Which brings you to the main problem with Anette in Nightwish. She couldn't carry the rest of the songs.
I've seen them live with Tarja in Wacken, and I've seen them live with Anette in Israel. one can not compare the to shows.
I must add, you're right Anette has a great voice, just not for Nightwish.
Angry Nightwish is different and good, but I do prefer happy inspirational Nightwish….Shudder before the Beautiful at Wembley…the perfect uplifting show opener 😎🤘
Before The Poet and Pendulum : Master Passion Greed ( lyric version ) which is a "love song" to Marcelo Cabuli ( Tarja's husband)
Only few live video's with Anette are good...most of them are without audience. Like this rehearsal of Romanticide: ua-cam.com/video/BdhdqaFZJzs/v-deo.html
Bye, bye beautiful was one of three songs Tuomas wrote in anger in the aftermath of Tarja's departure from the band:
- Bye, Bye Beautiful (in anger towards Tarja)
- Master Passion Greed (in anger towards her husband Marcello)
- The Poet and the Pendulum (in anger towards himself)
I aprreciate that you caught the fact that this song is a radio composition. Tuomas wanted to be as largely broadcasted as possible probably.
I need to tell you that, Toumas said in a in interview, that the easisest thing to do, is to create a composition of lenghtier duration, and the hardest thing is to write a song which is 3-4 minutes long. For example Ghost love score is about 10 minutes. Poet And the pendulum is about 15 minutes, and The Greatest Show on Earth is about 23 minutes !!! Those are the most viewed songs by reactors - but i must emphasis that there are others as well. For example Creek Mary's Blood - A native americans story which is (as far as i know) the only song used in a movie as a soundtrack which is about 8 minutes, Song Of Myself about 13 minutes (but in concerts are played about 6 minutes) ANNDD what i consider to be the best example - Imaginaerium (not the album, but the song) - a track which is an instrumental track which has about 6 minutes but is a FUSION of all the songs in the album - a remix if you would like.... but with this track you can clearly see how Tuomas creates an album. It's all about inspiration to create a song. Then from that song he can create a whole album and more. ALSO The album Human Nature (the last one realeased) there is a second cd which is a full staggering 30 minutes of Tuomas GENIUS in 8 songs which are all about the planet Earth in a symphony way (not symphonic metal).I really really really would like you to react to Creek's Mary's Blood Live from End of an Era 2004 with Tarja because it's a song that is so underrated - besides that, i really like,love and enjoy what you are doing. ... For the hope that would see Creek Mary's Blood on your channel i am subscribing right now.
I would really like to get your opinion about the third song related to Tarja leaving... "Master Passion Greed"...
"Meadows Of Heaven" if you want to hear another good song with Anette (ua-cam.com/video/vxsjv6LtRz0/v-deo.html), no music video exists as far as I know, you can find a fan-filmed live performance out there but the quality is not at 100%. I myself thought that wouldn't it be nice if we could get a Floor-version of this song, but not long after I had second thoughts - No, this is a good Anette song and let's leave it at that. Don't take it away from Anette, let her "keep" this song as her own. (Some things should just be left as they are, without anyone trying to improve it or make it better.) "Master Passion Greed" is kind of in the same suite as this song (more aimed towards Tarja's other half), but it's a lot heavier, and I really do mean A LOT heavier (ua-cam.com/video/hBTRq2Kgt3Q/v-deo.html).
I was actually thinking the same way the first time I heard the band Psychework from Finland and their song "Siege", it's about the siege of Leningrad during WWII (ua-cam.com/video/q_sAecPORdQ/v-deo.html). Wouldn't it be nice if Sabaton could do a cover of this, after all they are doing songs about war history. Shortly thereafter (just some 10 minutes or so) I changed my mind and thought - No, this is a really good song by Psychework, and Antony Parviainen's vocals is exactly right for this song, in terms of expressing the dispair that people in Leningrad must have felt during the siege (it lasted for 2 years, 4 months, 2 weeks and 5 days - 872 days). Anyone else here who hasn't heard this song - Go and have a listen to it!
I think I need to apologise to you again Eric, I seem to be unable to write short comments. For some reason it turns out to be half a novel every time. Cheers / B.
I guarantee Marko found this as cathartic as the rest of the guys bc he had bad blood w Tarja (pron: Tar-Yuh) for a couple years. Trying to share vocals. And her never showing to rehersals...And he delivers a strong vocal, even w that reverb. Marko makes every song better!
There is one good live video w Anette...a jazz joint called Slow Love Slow. I don't recommend anything else live w her, the backing track is prominent, voice is thin and not much power. But she saw Nightwish thru their most commercial period. And I respect the hell outta her.
Anette took a lot of hate and put up with a lot of shit from the Tarja fans (BTW, it's pronounced TARRR-ia and roll the R). Before doing the Poet, I'd suggest also doing "Master Passion Greed". That song is a raging rant about Tarja's husband, who the band blames for their problems with Tarja. There's no live performance and never will there ever be one, so just grab the album version and run with it.
To give you an idea how difficult an painful this all is, when Floor sings the "Poet and the Pendulum" during the Imaginaerum tour, Tuomas had her vocals removed from his in-ears feed as he didn't want to relive it during the performance. You've probably already got this, but the song draws from the "Pit and the Pendulum" by Edgar Allen Poe and its subject of psychological torture.
If you do the Wembley version, and I recommend that one, note how at the end Emppu and Marko are standing with Tuomas while Kai and Floor are looking over at him to see how he's doing.
You know what would be very interesting? (Although it might make for a way too long video)
Planet Hell! It was originally recorded with Tarja but in NW’s channel there are great versions with both Anette and Floor (Anette’s was recorded in a studio and Floor’s live), so you can really compare their differences in style.
This was the perfect reaction with the perfect Anette song n the perfect version ...It's a song that only Anette has done ,Floor is friends with Tarja pronounced TAR-E-YA all the members of this band has a "Y" sound instead of the "J" sound Jensen ,the 2 Jukka's n Tarja
why this is perfect version being the official video is Nightwish making fun of critics saying they got Anette as a sex appeal reason.
just my opinion when you do "poet and the pendulum" do the live version with Floor. please.. would be cool to see you do a Floor cover??but with all that more NW please...ROCK ON!
BTW (Yes, I will comment many times in a row, engagement to you, I guess? anyway...) after "islander (live)" video have you listen to CD version (MV one?). It is made beautifully, Anette's vocals meet with Marco's perfectly and they have Troy there too (he is playing an instrument and has no beard, at the time he has a guest and featured artist on the song before he was a permanent member of this band)
Don't care who's singing (all three are very capable). Don't really care about the message since it wasnt directed at me. Great lyrics, great performance. I do think though that female Tuomas' Korg was unplugged 🧐I'd have listened the hell out of that if it had ran on US stations. But alas, no airplay here. Perhaps with your spot on reactions, new listeners will join the Army. I concur.
Annette wasn't liked because she wasn't Tarja, Floor is loved because she isn't Annette.
"Did we get this far, just to feel your hate?"
Marco didn't like her husband, at all: Master, Passion, Greed.
Annette sings this well too.
And for some other songs that are Radio ready - i suggest Where Were You Last Night a remake after Ankie Bagger's song from 1989, and Nemo live with Tarja, and I Wish i Had An Angel
Not a reaction request just more of a during your spare time to see this done live, try Bye Bye Beautiful live from Sydney Mosh cam video, it's done really well and I love it because Jukka is on fire beating the hell out of his kit during that performance, and please don't forget about Wacken 2013, you've only scratched the surface of that show, there's not a bad song in the entire set and you haven't gotten to the real bangers yet ,Song of myself, Amaranth, Storytime, She is my sin, and a personal favorite of mine I want my tears back and one of their Signature songs Nemo, I'm sure these have all been suggested already but I'm really anxious to see your feelings on those and also since you appreciate Marco check out Kiss while your lips are still red from Wembley another one with a powerful message about appreciating what you have while you have it and it's probably one you'll hear once and not be able to listen to it again for a while but it's a beautiful song, I always enjoy seeing people explore NIGHTWISH and how many directions they can take you , classic rock sound to folky to progressive to straight up metal, explore and have fun!
people also dump on Annette because of how she left. i don't know if it was before the tour, or after it started, that Annette got pregnant. they were already planning to bring Floor in for the South American and Australia dates when Annette was scheduled to take off to have her baby. (the details are from an article i read 2 plus years ago, so, 🤬 dO YoUr ReSeArCh 🤬 if you want exact quotes) then she got really sick. she went to the hospital right before a show in Denver ("The Denver Debacle") and it was decided, either by her or the band, i don't know exactly, that she would not return, and they called Floor, can you come now? Floor appeared with them for the first time in Seattle 2 days later. look up "Floor Seattle Speech" and see her thank the Seattle fans when they returned 2 years later on the EFMB tour. that's the example of how genuine, humble, and real Floor is that i point people to.
So here we are. I usually try to avoid these songs but yeah Bye Bye Beautiful and Master Passion Greed were, I believe, Tuomas's cathartic relief of the break up. A song for Tarja and a song for Marcelo so he could get it out of his system and start fresh. Tarja ,it seems to me, had really been taking the high road over the situation but she did not seem at all impressed with Dark Passion Play and Master Passion Greed in particular. Her "response" was the song Enough if you like to check it out. I must admit to being one of the haters that never gave Anette a chance. Her being so much better in the studio versus live only rubbed salt in the wound of Tarja's dismissal. Bands breaking up and changing members is a fact of life but the way it happened left a lot of disgust for Tuomas & Marko in me for years. I didn't really pay them much attention again until Imaginaerum (while DPP was the only album in between it was three years and a lot of touring). Imaginaerum does have, in my opinion, the best Nightwish song for Anette's voice in The Crow the Owl and the Dove.
This is the first most of us saw of Annette. From the first 10 seconds her body language was just wrong. It felt forced and unauthentic. That was long before we realized she couldn’t pull it off live. Tuomas was so shellshocked after the backlash of firing Tarja, he kept her around way too long.
Excellent analysis and I am with you 100%.
And it is also smart to go back in time and get some "vibe" from the former singers, to really see how Nightwish have evolved through time - from their composing, style and to their lyrics. In that way you clearly see the impact Floor and Troy had, when they became permanent members. It's also important to remember to time-line here. Both Troy and Floor were real professionals when they arrived (the documentary "the making of Endless forms most beautiful" shows this). Especially Floor who had been writing and composing for more than a decade on top level, she participated on a whole new level, compared to former singers.
And as you say, Anette is a very good singer, especially to this type of compositions (Tuomas is a genius in knowing exactly how-to) - but on live concerts, she came on short. She is better now - much better.
It's incredible to see how the 3 singers perform the same songs differently - and there are fans to all of the versions. It really shows the evolution and the effects of the lead singer - and how well the rest of the band can adjust to the lead singers personality and style - and vice versa. The fans reaction is another story....
Excellent analysis and reaction - and please don't worry about doing a lot of Nightwish reactions - their songs and styles are so versatile from pure classical music, celtic folk, to heavy metal, that it will never feel alike.
The reason might be in the change of lead singers..
I would have thought being the replacement for Tarja and singing this would have felt awkward as hell for Annette.
Maybe you should listen to the version with Floor in Wacken 2013, different vibe. Not for a reaction but just listen to it.
Anette is a pretty good we pop singer but i believe Nightwish prefers a more powerful dramatic vocalist like Tarja or Floor. It just suites the Symphonic sound more. Dark passion play is one of the most Aggressive songs they ever made. It's an attack towards Tarja husband as the band and Tuomas felt he caused the rift between the group. But then again those rumours that Tuomas was in love with Tarja? Maybe it's just some fans imagined or wished that was the case but no real proof has ever been shown. People forget Tuomas and Tarja formed this band and they where best friends and grow up together since school. There's a hell of a lot of emotional heartbreak.
Do all 3 of the breakup from tarja
Do master passion greed next
It's about tarjas husband
And then finish it of with the poet and the pendulum
Master passion don't exist as a live performance. They have never played it live
Must must listen to Master Passion Greed - no live, no video, but you do not need it to fully experience the message. Marko is on fire & it is a heavy metal song. Angry Tuomas is just as awesome as happy Tuomas, artistically.
Ok, you said Marco is on everything and in "human nature" album all 3 vocalist get to sing: Floor, Marco and Troy. it is great album and CD1 is vocal one, so I hope you do reaction to all songs one by one
If you want more Annette, please make sure to listen to 'Amaranth', a.k.a. their other video with more than 100M views. It's a bit less of a 'message song', but an **absolute banger** nonetheless. Plus, it's the one song that simply belongs to Annette, in the sense that not even the glorious Floor has been able to make it her own. Once you hear the chorus, you'll understand.
I always felt the entire band was deeply wounded by that first split (including Tarja imo). It was heartbreaking to watch at the time.
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Gotta love Tuomases way to say something when some things must be said. Would love to know how Anette felt about that part "we'll be waiting" 🤔
Maybe you should listen to Scaretale...live version (is in the NW official channel )...I think that is an Anette's song...she is perfect in that... witchy stile.. you'll see 🖤😬😬🤘🏻
Annette is a great singer! It’s hard to come into a band and replace the original singer, and it did, absolutely cause a rift between the fans. But that being said, it seems that rift was closed by Floor. Floor seems to have healed the band and healed the fans. The Nightwish army is whole again. I will agree that 2006-2007 was an extremely emotional time for Nightwish as well as was 2012 when Annette left the band and Floor had to fly from Europe to Denver (I think) and finish the tour having only the flight plus 3 days to learn the set list and practice with the band, singing with Marco for the first time. And she killed it!
Here Delain ft. Floor and Marko already in 2009, sorry bad quality: ua-cam.com/video/hHtJsiLAkM4/v-deo.html. And there is also a single version of Face Your Demons by Floor's After Forever ft. Marko from 2006.
like always a damn fine reaction!
some fun thing abou this video since I do not see anyone else mentioning it
this video is all girls cuz when Tuomas chose Annette to replace Tarja, many fans were saying they cose her cuz she is pretty! so in this video they chose to be all girls to make fun of that accusation!!!
and this video is the most watched video of nightwish and also the label channel on youtube!!!
You really need to check master passion creed by nightwish, you will love it
I love Floor, I love Traja (Nigthwish or solo) as I love Anette (again both on Nigthwish and solo), they are diferent as vocalists but all made part of the history of the band... The world has bigger problems than Nigthwish fans busting each others balls all over the internet about who is the best nigthwish vocalist! They are all from where I stand! Music should be fun... And I HAVE FUN listening to Nigthwish Whom ever sings the song!
All the love from Portugal!
its floor , not floo
@@fredverkerk838 my bad did correct it... Thanks! That was an unforgivable mistake! 😁
@@fernandorodrigues1939 no problem its oke
Couple things here:
1) nightwish live, with floor, may be a top 5 bands for me, even playing old songs.
2) as a rule I am not a fan of Annette in the context of this band. Her voice is way to poppy, without the ability to play the catalogue.
3) I am really not a fan of the majority of nightwish's catalogue in studio...i generally find their studio albums overdone/over produced... this particular song is an exception.
Not commercial as such but more suiting Annettes voice and style of singing.
I love how the model guitar player drops to her knees to shred and she is still taller than Emppu standing in his power stance/ lunging guitar warrior pose! 😁