Struggling to keep up? I'm sorry but if there's one advantage that Kenobi has over Malgus, it's speed. That duel with Vader on Mustafar is a bloody testament to that. There's almost no way that Malgus could keep up with that for a long term. While Malgus may also be a solid duelist, most of his advantages come almost purely from powerful strikes. With Kenobi being quick on his feet, he probably wouldn't even have to block half of those strikes, merely dodge them.
Jared Wat Well Jedi like Satelle is what/who I was talking about she was extremely fast and agile and was unable to defeat malgus with pure dueling due to his skill and ability to keep up with much faster opponents.
+Jared Wat Jace Malcom got him because Malgus has somewhat of a tunnel view. He can focus so perfectly on his enemy that he forgets about his surroundings, and that's why he didn't notice Jace coming for him.
+Riley Ellis Actually... Anakin's force ghost harasses people after death the movie. He would take his child and just harass random people he doesn't like. 'Nuff said.
Then how is it useful in a fight? There was no point bringing it up cus it doesn't help him. Even if u get punched in the face the damage is still there so it doesnt make a difference. Why bring it up.
Yeah but it was still death by wall. He can survive being thrown into a metal balcony then hv it collapes on him. He can survive falling 18 stories off the side of a cliff into water. He can survive being attacked by three very hungry monsters while chained to a piller but being tossed into a piller is enough to spell out the end for the legendary Obi-Wan Kenobi.
That entire thing, all three episodes, sounded very very biased. Obi Wan is far too inventive to go down that easily. He would've found some environmental advantage before death. Also, you said yourself that malgus's respiration mask improved his stamina, yet you said he didn't slow down at all. That goes directly against what you said. And, like with grievous, Obi Wan also would've found a way to injure or slow him with parries and counters. He's far more tactical than malgus is which can cancel out adaptivity. Again, it sounded very biased.
James Snell now u dont really see the milieu here...malgus had fought against hundreads or even thousands of jedis and he battled in wars and such he was so experienced in duels he would maybe even destroy obi wan as obi wan wasnt very much better than everyone else malgus has defented thus obi wan ONLY faced 1 sith (dooku) and he lost (ofc maul and anakin but they werent ready yet)...malgus was just so much more experienced and he was trained to kill jedis when obi wan was trained to deflect blasters...
This is one of the few times I've disagreed with your verdict--the other being Malgus and Dooku. Malgus is not this tactical fighter you guys have played him up to be. He instinctively did one crafty move against Ven and that suddenly makes him a tactician? I've played TOR, read all of the books and comics and can easily say that Malgus is a hammer. Nothing more. A big and relentless hammer, but that's exactly the type of fighter Obi-Wan is prepared to deal with. Malgus would not overload Kenobi's defenses with anything less than his Force abilities, and even those can be combated. His lightning has never been shown producing any more force behind it than Dooku's, which Kenobi easily blocked. Force Choke would be Malgus' big winning point here and nothing more. And even then, it could still very easily go either way. Obi-Wan brick walls his fighting style (duel with Vader), overcomes his physical capabilities (as shown with Savage and Maul), and can at least tank a good dead of Force damage (every fight he's ever been in but Dooku). You guys say to share our thoughts, so I did. And yes, just like you, this is just an opinion. And just like yours, it's subject to be wrong.
The novel depicts Malgus as a bit more than just a blunt instrument. I actually believe by the end of Deceived, Malgus' Force Lightning is stronger than Dooku's. I do agree that Obi-Wan could win in the way of attacking Malgus at a weak point (continually hitting his knee or mask). But we felt it was more likely that Obi-Wan's Force wall would be broken and he would be ragdolled.
Antoine Bandele I would argue that Malgus' force lightning is stronger than dookus as early as the events of the third lesson due to the fact that he overwhelmed the defenses of a jedi powerful enough to collapse 2 buildings at once
mathew erickson During the Battle of Alderaan his Force lightning was still below Dooku. It wasn't until the end of Deceived that I think he got better.
Antoine Bandele i think that overwhelming the defenses of a jedi that was capable of collapsing 2 large buildings is significantly superior to anything that dooku has shown
@@AntoineBandele I seriously believe you need to reevaluate your conclusion obi wan was the master of form 3 and since malgus was a user of form 5 obi wan should have had a more easy time to deal with since he has had experience with form 5 with his duels with anakin who is quite obviously more skilled with the form and more than that he has the foresight to wait out his opponent to see flaws in his opponents form and deal in counter attacks both precise and quick (see obi wan vs darth plaguis video for details) and if its with physical ability's malgus would be strong but obi wan has had experience with strong handed opponents with his duels with anakin skywalker and general grievous and obi wan is a master of leading a battle to places he is more comfortable with and also obi wan is THE MASTER of form 3 and only THE absolute MASTER OF EITHER FORM 5,2 or 7 they would just be hitting a brick wall and malgus is skilled in form 5 he is not on the level of anakin skywalker who is THE MASTER of form 5 and obi wan has prove able to defend against for long periods of time and has proven able to defend for hours and hours at a time in duels and I highly believe for even days or day regardless so I highly doubt this second rate vader who got frozen in carbonate making him not even worse killing beat one of the most masterful duelist of the clone wars, slayer of griveous and victor of the the battle of mustafar so GET ON YOUR COMPUTER AND START REDOING YOUR CALCULATIONS OF THIS BATTLE AND DO OBI WAN SOME GODDAMN JUSTICE
@@harrywang1275 He said somewhere else that he wanted to give the duelling edge to Kenobi, but Connor (Jensaari1) demanded the edge be given to Malgus. Quite telling huh.
Good video, but I still disagree with the verdict. Kenobi's force wall is massively underrated. It is by no means weak, and Kenobi is pretty powerful himself. Malgus was able to put a random Jedi in a force grip, that doesn't mean he'd be able to do the same to Kenobi. Malgus was not able to bring his force powers to great effect against Zallow and Shan, even when they were on the defensive. The most he could do was bring about a simple force push, something that wont be surprising Kenobi or taking him out. When it comes to dueling, Kenobi is clearly the superior combatant. Malgus was being pressed by Zallow, someone who is maybe on Jinn's level as an overall combatant. Kenobi was able to hold off the combined assault of Maul and Opress for a time, even cutting off Opress's arm. Even Dooku wasn't able to get through Kenobi's guard during Kenobi's prime, having to resort to Force attacks. Dooku is a more powerful force user than Malgus, so I don't see this being a good reason for why Malgus could take Kenobi out with force based attacks. In the end, both are primarily lightsaber duelists, and when Malgus was being pressured by Zallow, he didn't resort to force attacks, instead he tried to outsmart him, something I don't think he'd be able to do against Kenobi, given his superior tactics. If anything, Kenobi would be the one outsmarting Malgus. It makes sense for this fight to be determined mainly by saber skill, as again, both are mainly lightsaber duelists, not force users, and Kenobi simply gets the comfortable edge in dueling.
+Chris Ward In my opinion, Obi-Wan was one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, but that doesn't mean he was one of the most powerful of all times! He might just have been an equal with Ven Zallow (maybe Ven Zallow was in fact a little bit more skilled), yet Malgus took Zallow down quite smoothly. The same would happen to Obi, he would just become a number in Malgus' "killed jedi masters" account and there is no way out of it. That is pure math (if 3>2, than 3>1 as well). Even though a feel a great respect for Obi-Wan as much as I disrespect the jedi for they are weak in general, Obi would have no chance at all here and it's only good that those two lived in completely different eras.
+Ondřej Volejník Sorry, but I disagree with almost everything you've said. Kenobi has come up against some of the best duelists and most powerful people of all time, such as Anakin, General Grievous, Count Dooku, Darth Maul and Asajj Ventress, who would all beat Malgus, except maybe Ventress. Malgus simply doesn't have the feats to suggest he could beat Obi-Wan. If you think Malgus could win because Obi-Wan has a weak force wall (a common misconception), Kenobi has defended from attacks from people like Count Dooku, someone noticeably more powerful than Malgus. If Malgus were to come up against a lot of the Jedi/sith of Kenobi's era, he'd be cut down by most of them. Qui-Gon Jinn vs Malgus would have been a better battle, considering that Zallow was pressing an advantage on Malgus and he isn't even as good as Jinn, in my opinion.
Chris Ward But that, my friend, is only your dellusion. Anakin - very talented and with such a potential, but not at all powerful for a sith, Grievous - not even a force user, only a stupid droid xD you can't really be serious about him ROFL, Dooku - fine nobleman, skilled saber duelist, but in the end, not so skilled and not at all powerful for a sith, Maul - very beautiful Zabrak, isn't he :D... no, you can't take him seriously for a powerful sith, or can you? xD, Asajj Ventress - interesting story, but noooo, she's not a powerful sith, nor she is a skilled saber duelist. Malgus killed dozens, if not hundreds of the best jedi warriors of his age (certainly more powerful than jedi of Kenobi's age as peace made the jedi weaker as well as the rule of 2 weakened the sith) and he also defeated all of the most powerful sith lords of his age on his rise to power. It's like if you'd take someone who trains with katana nowadays and made him face Mojimoto Musashi, the best warrior of 16th century Japan. Moreover, you are not even naming the real superpowerful beasts of SW universe, you're just thinking about the most profaned characters thanks to the films. Have you even read some Star Wars book, be it a novel or comic book? I certainly doubt it. Howgh, I have speaken.
+Chris Ward It is true that Kenobi's defense was and maybe still is one of the greatest in the galaxy, but he is not as strong deflecting or defending himself from force attacks than he is to defending from saber attacks.
+Patricio Flores Garcia I know, but most people claim Kenobi is almost defenceless from force attacks, when that simply isn't the case. He'd certainly be able to defend from Malgus's telekinetic and lightning attacks.
Since the beginning, I knew Darth Malgus was going to be the victor, but I'm glad to realize the great potential Obi-Wan has. He's my favorite Jedi. I didn't imagine that he could put so much fight against Malgus.
in my opinion Kenobi is a better duelist as Malgus' Djem So is inferior to Anakin's (atleast to me) which Kenobi has shown he can deal and the fact Kenobi is considered one of the greatest of all time while Malgus is just great
wolfmaster7 Erik Hernandez but think that malgus fought in hundreds or maybe even in thousands of battles/duels and he was trained to kill jedis...when obi wan was trained to deflect blasters and he had never faced sith (exept dooku and he lost) and malgus had faced like hundreads of jedis and beat them all exept one that he didnt even lose i would call it a draw
See, I actually disagree with the dueling edge for magus. You said that Obi-Wan could block 18 strikes a second right? No way on Earth Malgus could move that fast. why doesn't that give Obiwan a speed advantage? Like, blocking 18 strikes a second makes him blindingly fast correct? He should be somewhat capable of moving that fast at least a little bit for offense right? I'd like to see your response to this.
Well, that makes sense, but Obi-wan fought against Maul and Vader. I know that Malgus is freaking ridiculous, but Vader and Maul still hit pretty hard right?
+Spenser Sowards maul isn't a hard hitter, and vader was just a ferocious fighter but if you watch them, anakin very nearly ended the fight when he started to use is strength against obi-wan. In my opinion obi-wan's only saving grace is his speed, if he locks blades with a strong force user or someone physically strong he is screwed, hence the reason why he is primarily a defensive fighter and his best answer is to dodge or parry. also general grievous makes fast strikes not heavy ones, again playing to obi-wans advantage.
Antoine Bandele you acknowledge that obiwan was force pushed by dooku but fail to mention malgus getting the same done by shan...actually worse...I've watched enough of the videos to recognize the Kenobi being downplayed
William Blackfyre Obi-Wan was pushed in direct combat. Malgus was pushed after being distracted and hit with a grenade blasts. Those are two very different situations.
William Blackfyre Do not forget. Malgus was overpowering Shan first force attack. He was starting to walk to her when she unless a force attack the shattered a mountain. Obiwan was not thrown that hard. If was all 4 characters in the room would have been vented into space. Can you really say Obiwan would have survived a blast that shattered a mountain?
Obi-Wan would just wave his hand and tell Malgus to go jump in lava or something. You guys aren't giving Obi-wan enough credit. He was at his prime right after communicating with Quigon and learning about the living force.
+Neo Metal Sonic I'm sure it could, if used like the environment and unnoticibly. Like these fellas already stated, Malgus is tunnel visioned and im quite sure Obi-Wan could screw his min passively or without being obvious about it. A bit like genjutsu in naruto, and several other animes
THERAMMSTEINFAN490 Used like the enviroment and unoticably? How does one even do that? I have only ever heard it be done my waving their hand and telling them to use it. Also, I believe they surpirisingly aren't giving Malgus enough credit. Yeah he won, but that tunnel vision problem was not in his prime. He was an average sith lord at best at that time of Alderaan, at the sacking of coruscant I saw no indication of tunnel vision being a problem. And if Obi wan could do that how come he didn't do tjhat to Anakin who had tunnel vision problems
We're not talking tunnel vision as in lack of perspective, but tunnel vision as in lack of overview over say a battleground. Malgus has shown that quite clearly. Not sure it would be possible to play mindtricks on him and not per-say unnoticed, i was sorta trying to hint at a way to make use of the force tactically and not as much practically :P I find my lack of proper expression disturbing
This guy (Jensaarai) is not really fair. He should treat them equally, but you can clearly hear that he's cheering for Malgus. I also think that you both underestimated Obi's speed when he merge with the Force (like the duel against Grievous which is faster then Malgus).
+MaX Frost I don't believe Jensaarai was being bias. He definitely is a fan of Malgus but he seems to appreciate Obi-wan as a duelist as well. Though i'm with you 100% about them underestimating Obi-wan's speed.
I liked the video, and I think you analyzed the characters really well (ish). I do strongly disagree with this verdict however. A) Malgus may very well be a great duelist, but, he has yet to fight anyone on Obi Wan's tier. None of Malgus's feats compare with Kenobi's as a duelist. B) To take it a step further, what about Obi Wan's use of Sokan? Malgus has a tunnel vision problem; he is often so focused on his opponent that his opponent can use the environment around them and blindside him (watch the battle for Alderan trailer). This is something that Kenobi is infamous for! luring his opponent to an area of his advantage. Sorry, I just do not see it, Malgus has never fought anyone like Kenobi.
+Christian Morrell what do you mean his feats dont compare?? Malgus is known for killing the grandmaster of his era, the grandmaster of kenobis era was Yoda. in a 1 on 1 battle tunnel vision does not matter.
+Deviss Okesene A) Yes my friend a grandmaster is usually a very worthy kill. However, Ven Zallow isn't really a notable feat, his use of ataru is basic and his force abilities do not stand out. In fact look up Ven Zallow vs Qui Gon Jinn, it will help explain my point. B) Look at Obi Wan's fight with Anakin and then tell me tunnel vision does not matter.
+Deviss Okesene Uh...Ven Zallow was not the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order. He was a Battlemaster, as was Cao Cen Darach. The issue, however, is that Cao Cen Darach was fatigued from facing both Malgus and Vindican. Facing Malgus fresh, without Vindican's interference, could very easily have ended quite differently. Battlemasters are typically those who teach the most promising students of the Order in dueling. Grandmasters however are the pinnacle of the Order.
The Force is strong with Obi-Wan. It is a fact, that is not portrayed by his skills, but his deeds. Even though he defeated a stronger duelist, a tireless machine and the Chosen One, it is not the way he fights, but the way he thinks, that makes him such a formidable Jedi. _"You can't win. But there are alternatives to fighting."_ -Obi Wan, 0 BBY
An epic collaboration between two of my favorite versus series makers (who I almost never agree with, but whatever) with two pretty darn cool characters. Great job dudes :)
What everyone has to remember is that due to constant warfare, the Sith from TOR era are just flat out brutal fighting machines. Malgus was in his 60's when he died, you don't live that long as a Sith in his time period if you aren't a total BAMF. the Jedi order from the Clone Wars era had a millennium of "peace", and had lost much of their "edge" (many of the ancient fighting forms were forgotten or not widely taught, as there were "no Sith" left to fight). The thing you have to remember about the true Sith is this: they will do absolutely anything to win/survive, and that kind of drive is not something to be downplayed. Malgus had control of his rage, meaning that he wouldn't make Anakin's mistakes. If Dooku (known more for his fencing, not force prowess) could toss/choke Obi-wan around like a rag doll, while being preoccupied with Anakin, I'm pretty sure Malgus (who was more or less a walking WMD) could do the same. In the end, the only thing that really can reliably defeat the Sith are the Sith themselves, regardless of what rendition of them we're talking about. While a Jedi Master is a Master of Peace Keeping; A Darth is the embodiment of death itself.
Obi Wan would clearly win, do not get me wrong Malgus rocks. However, Malgus has major tunnel vision and has been caught off gaurd when his opponets use the enviorment to there advantage. ex when he was fighting satele. furthermore, Obi Wan was the Clone Wars as he fought just about every mager villian except Siddious, and in each fight he used the enviorment to his advantage. Therefore Obi Wan would win.
cxm I actually don't get the tunnel vision arguments aside from his very first fight with Kao Cen Darach. Against Satele she toppled a tree and he jumped out of the way. Tunnel vision would mean he would get crushed or hit by the tree and he didn't.
Antoine Bandele we have seen Malgus fail time after time to exploit the enviorment around him. At times he is so focused on the person he is fighting that we have seen Malgus caught off gaurd by his opponet using the surrondings as a weapon,leading to his defeat on Alderaan. Even Jensaarai1 noted this in Vader vs Malgus.
I think you didnt factor in Malgus's tunnel vision and sloppy terrain awareness vrs Obi-Wan's resourcefulness on the battlefield for using his environment. Both in the swordsmanship comparison and in the battle itself, you made it sound like Kenobi would decide to fight Malgus head on. As mentioned in the video, he is very very clever in his aproach to combat, and at the point when Malgus's mask comes off, Kenobi would recognize both through intuition and through experiance that he just angered the rankor (at which point he might make a funy coment, pissing the sith lord of furhter). The fight therefore would become comparable to Malgus as a charging bull vrs Kenobi as a matador, outmanuvering a the angry sith. Either that, or Kenobi would let the force wing it to match Malgus's dark side influence with his own light side. I dont know if this would bring the edge to Kenobi, but it has worked for him before against angry powerhouses like Ventress, Vader, Grivous, Maul and Opress, the last two fighting him together on (one of the fueled by a thirst for vengance). This fight could just as easily have ended with Kenobi dismembering Malgus with a suttle counter, fleeing Malgus after outmanuvering him (true to his pacifistic ways) to later re-evaluate his opponent, or cornering the angered Sith on the high grown, unstable ground, pillar, or whatever other terrain advantage Kenobi would pick.
It seems like a lot of people including myself agree. I don't think he'd be falling for a kick to the chest again either. His defense was vastly improved and Malgus would likely lose that limb IMHO.
I disagree heavily. To base the abilities of Malgus off of the trailers specifically meant to hype up a fan base is a bit ridiculous. I mean it looked more like a dragonball z fight than Star Wars and was obvious embellishment. Malgus is powerful i'll give him that, but Obi-wan defeated Darth Maul, Grevious and Darth Vader in his prime. He also fought off both Maul and Savage at once while injured. There are few Sith he couldn't beat head to head. Also Malgus has never been shown to defeat any enemies single handedly. His defeat of Satele's master was only after both he and his master fought him, after they had fought through some basic troops. Same thing for his defeat of the master at the jedi temple, he had already had to fight several sith. Malgus rarely fights anyone fairly head on, he simply wades through attacking people from behind or has support. He has never been shown to fight without some kind of reinforcements. Obi-wan though defeated maul as a padawan after his master was killed, defeated Anikan, one of the most powerful jedi in history and his former apprentice. Malgus fighting Obi-wan straight on head to head would not go well for him. Obi-wan only lost to Dooku due to poor plot, Dooku himself commented that Kenobi was one of the finest swordsmen in the order. So yea that's my rant.
I disagree with that first bit. The fights in those trailers were perhaps the best balance of what Jedi fighting actually looks like. The kind that is not limited by live-action but also not blown out of proportion like in the animated stuff.
The lightsaber combat was pretty excellent, but the force push satele used to crush malgus into a mountain was ridiculous and him surviving something like that even more so. A grenade just earlier had shattered his force wall. I don't believe that literal tons of rock could fall on him without him dying. I just don't believe Malgus was all that powerful honestly. And i really think this video underestimates Obi-wan's abilities. I mean name another jedi who could fight off two sith at once single handedly. Obi-wan might specialize in soresu, but if you watch him in the clone wars animated series which is canon he is not as passive as this video makes him seem. Yes he specializes in defense which gives him such a strong place to strike from. Don't forget that he has also specialized in Ataru before he took up Soresu as his primary style. Malgus is strong but his tactic is pretty much to bull rush through his opponent, which doesn't work on obi-wan, for example: Grievous, Maul and Savage, Ventress, Anakin. Not a single one of them could break through his defense to land a blow and he maimed/killed just about every dark side force user he went up against, with the exception of Dooku for obvious plot reasons, and the fact that ventress was never really a threat to him. Just saying if you look at actual results Obi-wan had fought and defeated more dark side force users in his time than any other jedi. And him fighting Sith from several thousand years before would have made no difference. Brute force doesn't get you anywhere with him and force lightning is useless because he knows how to counter it and his strength in the force matched Anakin's, chosen one or no. Sorry gotta stand up for my favorite jedi when he isn't getting the love he needs.
People say that Obi Wan is physically weak and his hits are like nothing but they forget he literally flipped anakin over multiple times with kicks and tore apart General Grievous's armour with his bare hands. Armour that was made from a very strong metal that can survive ship canons
To be fair though, you have to remember that Malgus is from an era where Jedi/Sith interactions were common, while Obi-Wan was not. That isn’t saying that Obi-Wan would win, but it is saying that somebody like Malgus wasn’t really a thought during Obi-Wan’s time, so his technique isn’t really flawed simply because somebody like Malgus can plow through it. That being said though, rewatching this it is a great video!
Malgus isn't able to breathe forever without his respirator so I think if Obi-Wan defended himself long enough, Malgus wouldn't be able to breathe and would suffocate and/or would be killed by Obi-Wan.
If Obi-wan destroyed his respirator, Malgus would be short on breath because he struggles to breath without it thus making him tired giving Obi-wan opportunities that he would surely use.
+Brook Ten I agree entirely. If this damage to the respirator was done with a lightsaber, the respirator would be all but functional. Maybe Malgus would be able to breathe... a little. But the thing about humans (which both of these men are) is that we grow physically weak when we have even the slightest bit of a lack of oxygen. LITERALLY! AFTER SOMETHING LIKE 4 MINUTES, WE GET SOME BRAIN DAMAGE BECAUSE OF THE LACK IN OXYGEN. Look, all I'm saying is that after the respirator is destroyed, Obi-One maybe needs to defend himself for like 10 - 15 minutes until Malgus is so weak that he can barely swing his lightsaber. This whole "After the respirator is destroyed, Malgus gains fury and attacks stronger" bullshit would never happen. In fact, building fury and swinging harder would make him breathe more which would subtract from the time needed for Obi-One. I do agree, however, that Obi-One WOULD go for the respirator (I just think it would be more toward the beginning of the battle), because Obi-One is intelligent (which is what these videos forgot). Obi-One is much more intelligent and much more of a quick thinker than Malgus. Just like all the battles that Obi-One had in Episode III. All these Sith simply DON'T THINK! ESPECIALLY "DO-NOTHING-BUT-ATTACK" DARTH MALGUS. TRUE VERDICT: MALGUS WOULD BE EASILY OUT SMARTED AND WOULD DIE OF SUFFOCATION MINUTES AFTER THE BATTLE BEGAN. SORRY!
+Izil Dûr the question is, how will you penetrate a defense that is unbeatable combined in a tactical genious who uses evry opportunity to strike back with strikes that hit like a nuke? If malgus is what they said no master of any form it would lead to him getting fucked up by kenobi pretty easily in a swordfight. Kenobi can switch his style so fast and advanced that malgus would have to use force to stay alive a bit longer
+Brook Ten Malgus is known to be able to breathe without the respirator after a certain amount of time it would take a toll but short term it's doing nothing but making him more angry and thus though the dark side making him more powerful.
Ya know.. I noticed that the people who do these videos seems to favor evil. If it takes you a thousand life times you will learn that brute force does not equal strength.
+Antoine Bandele Yes I am sure.. I have watched several of these and the attributes that tend to be favored above all others are predominantly evil/dark side orientated. In this latest video it was even stated that Obi Won was too much of the quintessential Jedi to win.. Which is a very odd/twisted thing to say... It implies a complete lack of faith in the strength of the Jedi/light in general. Ordinarily I would not comment at all being that I am under the impression that arguing over the capabilities of *fictional * characters * is an immature waste of time. However that particular comment struck a nerve as I felt it had real world significance. Meaning that everything in our culture seems to be shifting towards the darkside.. So with respect to the hypothetical nature of the subject matter at hand.. I still feel it is morally incumbent upon to voice my belief that aggression does not equal strength! Nor does it ensure victory.
I never said I was referring to all of them but now that you mention it.. These video's in general do seem to take on a dark undertone. However I was more or less referring to you and GreyJedi91 who is the one who actually made the comment I referred to earlier.
+matt Dailey This is because the Dark Side of the Force is more powerful than the Light. Also Sith Lords are statistically better fighters than Jedi Masters. You can only learn so much while being a Jedi. To break this glass ceiling and become a real bad ass you need the Dark Side. Even the red Sith swords are stronger than the blues and greens of the Jedi.
Im almost certain if Kenobi had prepared for this fight he would have won, Malgus seems awfully stupid imo. Maybe a warlord but isn't that just through overwhelming strength and hes been defeated before by the slightest jedi throwing off his plans. Obi Wan was a general wasn't he? And if he was around during Malgus time he would have been a crucial turning point in this particular battle.
+Polyscape Artist Indeed, Obi-wan being who he is have cirtenly known how to fight opponents who rely on brute strength and especially as you point out, if Obi-wan was prepared for the fight, then he would deffinently have won.
He was only defeated by great jedis who were very powerful force wielders, unlike Obi-Wan that was not as powerful in using the force as the masters that had defeated Malgus
+Ezra Faries its logic... malgus got a tunnel view and that makes him way to weak to kenobis tactical and fighting advantage. yes he could throw kenobi with the force but ultimately how can malgus win against kenobi, with kenobi knowing malguses weakness
Think about this: malgus was insanely tanky, right? Take a grenade blast, survive a mountain, so forth. Even with the force with him, that's far, far, far (and many more fars) beyond humanly possible. Even with a force shield like his. I mean, surviving being shoved into a mountain so hard that you shatter it, and then surviving it collapsing on you? I think anyone could admit that that's far beyond realistic or possible. Even in fiction or with a force shield. Unless it's like, a dragon. Plus, Obi wan is way way way too inventive to go down that easily. The creators didn't even give him a chance to gain an environmental advantage, which is one of his signatures, that they spoke of. Neither did they actually give him a chance to parry like he did with grievous. Even though they spoke about that. Not to mention malgus's respirator, which, the two said gave malgus increased stamina and performance because of higher oxygen levels. And after that was crushed, they said it didn't slow him down at all. Which goes directly against what was said.
I often wonder how far Kenobi would have had gone had he not gone into exile and had continued his combat studies, remember he was still relatively early on in his jedi career considering the age to which jedi remain active and physically capable. It is interesting to think how much he could have improved his offence and defence (more referring to the passive aggressive application which defiantly would have merited further study) with time and his connection to the living force would have only increased. Alas fate intervened with the jedi purge but still, given his MASSIVE power spike during the clone wars, had that continued...... Well that would have been a sight to see
Very well done video. I love to watch these and debate. I agree with all the points for the most part. That being said, there is one thing I would have added to Obi Wans credit. I think in his fight against Magus, the negotiator would have sensed his tunnel vision, and used either the environment against Malgus or took the high ground like he did against Boob walker. H=Just my 10 cents =) Thank you very much for giving a E.U. fan something to still enjoy. (death to Disney they destroy all they touch now) Stay with E.U. Never give in...and may the force be with you ... Always.
I believe that Obi Wan would've defeated Malgus in a very similar way as he did Vader, eventually I believe that the broken, or deactivated respirator would've affected Malgus's stamina over time, especially if he would've continued to attack in the same manner as he usually does, this would make Malgus slower and, though barely, weaker and he would've given Kenobi the chance to deal the finishing blow.
Oh, without a doubt, but I believe that Kenobi is a slightly better duelist than Malgus because when I see the way that Malgus fights, it reminds a lot about how Anakin would approach a fight and I believe that he, Kenobi, would notice this after sometime during their duel and would take reference to his duel with Pre-suit Vader and have an idea on what to do and what not to do. Basically, I believe that Obi Wan would outsmart him, though not easily, as he does in most of his duels by using mind games, taunting, using distractions that are covering even larger distractions to unbalance him. However, that is what I believe he would do. Also, I don't believe that Malgus's through would kill Kenobi because if he can take a hit from someone, General Grievous, who can make a dent in a starship and still comeback from it, I believe that he can take being thrown into a wall, or column. But that is my opinion.
Max Kogan Nah, Malgus is far more refined than Anakin. Anakin would never pull a move like Malgus did against Zallow. I don't see Anakin defending against Satale and chaining in Force attacks like Malgus did. Anakin is far more straight forward.
I beg to differ, Anakin has been shown to be able to defend against force attacks many times, off the top of my head, like when he took on a force blast from Ventress all while showing as if it took a slight bit of effort, and this happened while he was still a Padawan, imagine what he was capable of defending against when he was Darth Vader. Also, Anakin has had greater feats than Statele. Satele once force blasted a mountain to the point of collapsing, while Wnakin was able to defeat the Son and the Daughter, who were so strong with the force that they represented the light and dark side by himself, something that only the chosen one could do. Another example is when Anakin was able to make a building almost collapse using Force Scream.
Sadly i have to agree though i love kenobi and his approach to combat is proven effective it dose not seem like he could break malgus HOWEVER apon watching malguses duels it seems clear when he goes ape shit and unleashes he gets sloppy as all hell, i feel like there is potential for kenobi to cleave his legs or arms off if he counters effectively to malguses wide sweeps and cleaves, tell me if u agree or disagree?
Malgus' form is sloppy but effective, which is why I believe someone like Dooku would slice him up. But someone like Kenobi would have a hard time pressing an offensive.
I see your point but kenobi has been shown being precise in his strikes and malgus swings SUPER wide giving someone who can take the barrage (kenobi with his surisu) an opening so they could slip a slash under his gaurd? Regardless more times out of ten malgus wins i just wanted to know if u thought kenobi COULD win. Great video keep it up and btw lovin all the colabs:)
Darth Taters For sure dude! Reti4 and I definitely try and respond as much as we can. I personally find it more enlightening to have discussion with you guys, rather than just leaving you a video and calling it a day.
I agree with the verdict, but MAKE UP YOUR MIND CONOR!!! Either Kenobi is a Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi level Jedi that gets beaten solidly by Malgus, or... He can beat Plagueis. You can't have both. Also, if Kenobi can hold up against Pre Suit Vader and f*cking Grievous, then Malgus will never be able to break through his defences.
+Antoine Bandele i believe you should add more categories to your duels there are something you skip over or miss that could be important in a dual because it dose not fit into a category
You underestimate Kenobi's power GREATLY. Might I mention his durability feats in the clone wars? Keep in mind he was starved, tortured, deprived of the force and sleep. And had maggots feasting on his insides! He also managed to keep up with Anakin in terms of force abilities. Someone who has the HIGHEST mediclorian count in the SW universe. As for dueling, He held his own with Vader even at the age of 60. And managed to beat him on mustafar. Other than that, Great video.
So many comments saying pretty much the same thing, and I agree, Kenobi is better at lightsaber combat, and even tho he can get pushed by Malgus, Malgus has never showed the ability to force choke someone like Kenobi, if it was that easy to force choke Kenobi, you would've think the chosen one, the best force user in history would've done it, and he wasn't able to do it, he even tried to force push Kenobi, and Kenobi managed to force push him equally, so the force abilities of Kenobi are very high even if his force wall isn't good vs surprise force attacks, he is not as weak as you guys made him out to be, Malgus is simply not on the same level as Dooku on his force abilities, Malgus can not go pass Kenobi's lightsaber defense, and Kenobi will get him tired and slowly wound him little by little even if his attacks won't do a bunch of damage vs Malgus, his stamina is much greater. If Kenobi's force wall was stronger he would win thru attrition, but knowing he can get suprised and pushed strongly, I'd say, the moment Kenobi finally gets Malgus wounded enough is when Malgus will force push Kenobi and run, escaping the fight. No fighter will kill the other, but unless Malgus gets a bunch of those surprise force pushes on Kenobi (which he won't because Vader the chosen one, wasn't able to do it) then Kenobi will make Malgus retreat as Malgus will understand it is impossible for him to kill Kenobi.
for me I can see Obi-Wan winning this depending on two points; how fast he can learn Malgus's attacks and defense and how fast he can get the just amount of nit-picking attacks on Malgus to gibe him that slight edge during the battle before Malgus can launch a powerful assault that breaks his defense. If he can understand Malgus's strengths during just the first few swings once the battle begins or even anticipate it before the battle begins then he would have a better chance then now if only slightly. And while Malgus can tank Obi-Wan's attack with ease, it still would stagger him if applied properly which would give Obi-Wan an edge in that field even more so if he uses that moment just to give another attack that would detract him and keep looking for those openings until He found a proper opening which would deal a fatal if not critical hit. Of course this will only work if he can deal with Malgus's attack but still it would work if he played it carefully. Other then that I do agree with you that Obi-Wan's passive nature would loose out to Malgus's aggressive nature if he prolonged it.
You completely forgot to mention Obi-Wan's ability to effect cybernetics so why could he not do that with Malgus's many cybernetics particular his breath mask, crippling him. Also Obi Wan held of a onslaught by Gerious who by any messure can hit harder and faster then Malgus.
Kenobi deffited Drudge, Fet, Ventres, Savadge, Maul, Greevous and Vader ... Malagus can not deffited Kenobi, if Kenobi is weeker then you, then he will outsmart you and take the vistory ... Kenobi > Malagus.
Also Obi wan has the ability to "merge" with the force. His already insane speed that Malgus could not keep up with for long periods of time would increase. Enabling him put him on a whole different playing field. And even though Malgus has more strength than speed Obi wan has dealt with this same amount of strength. Like when he fought General Greivous who could dent a ship by punching its hull. Not to mention Greivous is 10x faster than Malgus while having similar strength that Obiwan could shrug off. In my opinion Obi wans dueling Abilities he with regards to his overall insane agility, speed. and defense more than makeup for his inability to defend against the force. And by giving into the force as he did with General Greivous lets him control the battlefield. Which I believe not only allows him to makeup for his dueling Abilities. You even admitted that Obi wan was better than all other Jedi excluding Yoda and Sidiouses. Yet you never mentioned mace windu. Because Mace Windu had defeated and would have killed Sidiouses if Anakin had not intervened. Plus the fact that he was able to become a force spirit and ascend beyond the physical plane being only achieved by 3 Jedi I have to say that when it comes to force Abilities they are on par. Physical abilities Malgus is on a completely different playing field. But dueling I believe that Obi wan utterly and completely would enable him to destroy Malgus in a pure light saber duel.
I reject! Obi wan manage to deflect all of grevious blows a feat that know othet jedi couldn't do. And not only that, take his hand off. Similar tactic Anakin did too dooku. Form 3 is not just a defensive form because it can also be used offensively, and follow up on form 5 counter offensive tactics. Obi wan can defeat malgus with the same tactics. Lets say he incapacitated malgus hand along with his lightsaber, and used it against him following up on jar kai. Malgus will have to fall back on his force abilities to ward him off. Malgus is overwhelming with the force, obi wan will use the environment(giant wall or drop a huge pillar on him for example) against malgus to gain the opposition and defeat him. And malgus does survive, obi wan wouldn't even hesitate to let him recover and go for the kill.
Brett Jackson If Obi-Wan could apply the same tactics against Malgus he would have done so against Anakin. It's hard to press a counter attack when you are being hammered down. It's a bit easier when someone is coming at you with pure speed (ala General Grievous).
Antoine Bandele Obi-Wan was holding back against Anakin during that fight. He had no desire to fight, and fought to extend the battle to try and win him over.
Mr Spectra: when obi wan first fought dooku he could have been killed during the first bout. Rest of his matches with dooku is when he had Anakin with him. Means that he wasn't strong enough to take on dooku by himself. Dooku took on grevious and made him look like a low rate duelist. Due to the fact that dooku is not just a form 2 specialist, but also a form 4&6 due to his training with Yoda. But as the battles grew so did obi wan fighting experience, he took sa'vage and maul twice and survived once with asajj and by himself, even cut sa'vage arm in the duel against him and maul using jar kai. But at a certain point of time his skills has never surpass dooku. But he was getting better with experience. During his final bout with dooku, he still was outmatch by him. Until Anakin use force rage to press the advantage on dooku and beat him. Obi wan wasn't the best duelist on the jedi order, he was keen thinker and hardworker! His mind and experience became his only asset to surviving bouts. Form 3 was his answer to every bout, and built a offense base on it. By adding principles from form 4 which he manage to cut grevious hand twice(with form 2 economy of motion) during his duel. But despite everything else, obi wan is a accomplish jedi.
Look how dooku fights! Look how he chains his force abilities to his lightsaber sequences. That's evidences enough. You know who his master is right? And I'm not talking about sidious
A great video well done Jensaari and Antoine. By the way I think a good matchup would be Darth Zannah versus Obi-wan kenobi - a battle of the soresu masters. Just a suggestion though well done again :)
By analizing abilities you do that veredict You don't realize that Obi Wan, always win in situations with overpowered opponents and he always see a way to break through the opponent That's why he is a genious with the force, Obi Wan win over Darth Malgus, in my opinion. By stadistic Malgus would win, but i believe a 100% in Obi Wan's skills.
Easily the most interesting duel you guys have done. There are so much aspects to simply them dueling and I think you guys have ellaborated nicely on everything. Very well done. I agree 100% with this. Satele only won because she overpowered him with some insane force abillities which Obi-wan lacks. Malgus is just perfectly geared to outlast obi-wan. Not overpower or outduel just out last. Very good job! I really liked!
Satele was trained as a jedi consular like Yoda so yeah she had amazing force tactics. I think the only way to outmatch Lord Malgus is by using more superior force powers.
Antoine Bandele And even then, I'm not so sure Shan would have gotten the opportunity to survive long enough to do that without a minor distraction like a republic trooper rushing him and a grenade blown up in his face!
Jeffrey Shapiro Ye it was a fortunate situation for her. But she had the power to play into that and end it. Obi wan wouldn't have been able to do that.
Jeffrey Shapiro Shan just got knighted and Malgus was already a Sith Lor. If it's the Jedi Master Shan from Fatal Alliance, she will crush Malgus in seconds!
+TheNuisanceBird whyyyy... malgus is no master at soresu and weak to physical strikes with a tunnel view... this is his weakness and obi wans biggest strength, his mind counters this extremely hard. Kenobi could simply use a force push or telekinesis into malguses face when he isnt expecting it and the sith lord would fall faster than the 3 jedi vs siddius
Y'all produced a very well written and comprehensive presentation. However, I feel that you seriously understated Obi Wan's ability to call upon and utilize the Force. As stated in the Novelization of Revenge of Sith, Obi Wan was able to use to force to make him much, much stronger than his opponent could reasonable be prepared to meet. Example: He grabbed one of Grevious' Duraplast armored arms and bent it like a cheap spoon. He could apply that tactic on Malgus to fracture bones and rupture muscles and organs. It is not inconceivable that Obi Wan, with his force augmented strength and speed could overcome Malgus' armor and defense or he could grab both sides of Malgus' head, twist it the side and fracture Malgus' neck like a dried out stick. He then could drop Malgus' dead body to the floor and take up fighting other enemies in the attack. True this is not a typical Jedi move, but Obi Wan was not know for using typical Jedi combat techniques. Obi Wan killed Darth Maul, defeated and critically wounded Darth Vader, and destroyed General Grevious. Obi Wan had the knowledge, abilities, and powers to defeat Darth Malgus. It would not be ease, of course, but it could be done and the Jedi who could defeat and kill Malgus was Obi Wan Kenobi. Remember what Yoda said, the Dark Side of the Force is NOT stronger than the light side, just easier to learn and master. It is like going down a mountain to reach the bottom vs climbing the mountain to reach the top. The Sith, including Malgus, have one fatal flaw in their make up, they are arrogant and that is why they (by a large amount) lose to the Jedi eventually.
I first want to say I did enjoy this video and that I hope i'm not taking too much from you guys, but I do not agree with this outcome. I think it was a good video, but I think it would be Kenobi winning most of the time. Like 5.5/4.5 results. Why the half's? Because no one walks out of a fight uninjured. Here is my opinion on what I think would happen and I'm gonna compare these guys to be fair. Malgus: Yes its true he has a lot of WAR time under his belt. He has killed many Jedi and Rebulic troopers. Malgus is a tank in force power, he has powerful telekinetic attacks, and lighting, along with a lightsaber throw. His physical abilities are quite impressive for him to be a powerhouse along with decent speed to make him a well fit warrior. His cybernetics enhance his abilities and stamina, he is also a good duelist in Lightsaber ability. Malgus's Lightsaber style is also unorthadoxed which can be a surprise for most Jedi. Malgus has faced some pretty impressive foes at his time. He and his Master lead the Sith empire into battle with one of his first Jedi opponents being a Jedi Master Combat Instructor Darach ( Darach to me fought more like a Jedi Maul because he was offensive and engaged.) and at the time Jedi Shan ( Her skills were not at a heighten point yet she was still an apprentice.) and bested them both, Malgus overpowered and killed Darach in his rage and tunnel vision. His next battle would be with Master Shan at the battle of Alderaan. Their battle was intense and he was able to keep up with her speed and even cut her saber in half, but again he got tunnel vision and didn't focus on his surroundings resulting with a grenade to explode in his face and then being force pushed into the side of a mountain and have it crush him by the force. how is this helping Malgus? Although he didnt win that battle, he is pretty skilled in lightsaber combat to keep up with Shan, had enough physical power to survive a grenade, and enough force power to live through a rock slide. This tells you how powerful this guy can be. but just because he kept up with Shan doesnt mean he is faster than Obi Wan. His other victory was outwitting Zen Zallow another Jedi Master ( He fought more like Qui Gon Jinn ) when he went to sack the Jedi Temple. Zen and Malgus both fought in an impressive lightsaber duel, but Malgus's unothadoxed style outwitted Zen Hallow and the Jedi fell to defeat, and his last accomplishment was he sacked the freaking Jedi temple. Malgus has had an interesting/successful combat career and he is defiantly someone to be recognized as a real Sith Lord. Obi Wan Kenobi: Yes its true this legend has had less War time than Malgus, but that doesnt mean his only combat experiences were the Naboo incident and Clone wars ( though thats where he gets most of it ), but for what he lacks in time he made up for in the caliber of warriors he faced in that time frame. Obi Wan Kenobi was a prodigy child with much potential and promise from a young age, he did many missions before the Naboo incident and Clone wars. However onto his Combat experience. His first main victory that granted him knighthood was against the fierce Sith Warrior Darth Maul at first he battled Maul with his Master Qui Gon Jinn ( A Jedi Master ), but later saw Maul impale Jin leaving only Obi Wan and Maul. At the time Maul was the superior duelist, but somehow Obi Wan was able to keep up in his Ataru form, but his lack of force abilities left him open to Mauls force power, but somehow by luck Obi Wan was able to defeat Maul. His other impressive battles were with Former Jedi Master/ Sith Lord Count Dooku in episode 2 he took on yet another superior duelist with his Makashi and precision and fought the Count for a little bit, but was defeated and was about to be finished off. Yet again his life was luckily saved by his apprentice Anakin. ( Side Note: Do you notice a pattern here when Obi Wan faces off with superior opponents he has luck on his side, or the will of the force.) Its not really well known, but after his defeat by Dooku, Obi Wan began training with Kit Fisto ( Another Jedi Master ) in a better practice of swordplay and eventually bested Kit Fisto. Obi Wan also fought on multiple occasions the apprentice of Count Dooku, Ventress. ( She was as skilled as a Jedi Knight ) and bested her on most occasions in both force abilities and lightsaber combat. Obi Wan also took on again Darth Maul and his brother Savage Opress ( The duo was deadly for even Master Jedi levels ) and he defeated them into a retreat after dispatching Opresse's arm. Near the end of the Clone wars Obi Wan Kenobi Fought with Count Dooku again and started to best him in Lightsaber combat making the Count result to force abilities to hold Kenobi at bay. his improved swordsmanship and force abilities kept him alive to this point and he was so in tune with the force that when he was able to fight General Grevious ( The Jedi Hunter his danger rating defiantly a master level ) on not only multiple occasions through the war, but out classed his unorthadox style at 20 strikes per second and still manage to dodge and parry off his hands it was like he had force battle mediation. He again was almost going to die by Grevious, who had endless endurance and more strength, but Obiwans endurance, resilience, and luck provided him a way to win. Over all his many impressive battles with high caliber foes was Obi Wan facing off with Darth Vader on Mustafar ( Side note: Not only was Anakin a powerful force user at this time, but his speed, aggression, and combat skill was also unmatched if he could get the better of Dooku in lightsaber contest. As well as sack the Jedi Temple with clones and killed many Jedi as well like Malgus) Yet Obi Wan Kenobi was able to defeat Vader in lightsaber contest and go toe to toe with him in a force struggle. His last, but highly impressive note was him becoming one with the force during his final duel with a more powerful Darth Vader. He never died just went to another plain of existence. My point in bringing up these battles each has been in is that Malgus though he may be a way good fighter and deadly warrior, Obi Wan Kenobi has taken on a number of High caliber duelist that are on Masterful levels of skill. Obi Wan also seems to have experience, tactical awareness of his soundings to create luck on his side, and also enough trust in the force to be moved through it and even become one with it. My question is what does Malgus bring to the table that Obi Wan has not fought yet? My answer. Nothing at all. Kenobi has fought the agility of Maul. The Skill and Percision of Dooku. The Speed, Power, and hatred of Vader. The augmentation enhancement for endless endurance, unorthadoxed skill, and cybernetic 20 strikes per second by Grevious. Obi Wan is indeed the perfect swordsman for Malgus. The battle: This battle would mainly be a lightsaber duel between the two. Malgus would attack the Jedi temple with sith empire and Obi Wan and Commander Kody and his clone battalion would be there to meet him in the mist of battle. Malgus would first attack Kenobi with a brutal and fast barrage of attacks while Kenobi would be on the defensive blocking and dodging the tyrants forcing attack with his impenetrable defensive skill. The result would be Malgus becoming furious and presses on his attack with more anger and rage, this challenges Kenobi to put more effort into his Soresu form and give him less time to look for a weakness in Malgus. As Malgus presses on his attack Obi Wan dodges the unothadoxed swings and finally sees his opening. Malgus's respirator. Kenobi manages to parry an attack from Malgus and strike the Sith lords breathing mechanism for it to fail. Now enraged Darth Malgus uses force lighting on Kenobi to surprise him, but to Malgus's surprise Obi Wan blocks it with his lightsaber and absorbs the lighting. Angry Malgus uses a heavy force push to knock Kenobi back into a wall. As Kenobi hits the wall and falls to the ground injured he sees the Sith Lords lightsaber being tossed at him. With just enough reflex Kenobi manages to dodge out of the way and regain his pose, but soon after the Sith Lord uses force choke to grab Kenobi and hurl him into a pillar. As Obi Wan hurls toward the pillar he uses force repulse to lessen the impact of his throw, but still hits the pillar with force. Obi Falls from the pillar and hits the ground. However with his resiliency Obi Wan Kenobi Manages to stand up and get back into his Soresu form. Malgus seeing this becomes so enraged he has a focused tunnel vision only on Kenobi. The Sith Lord ignites his Red Lightsaber and leaps toward Kenobi. Kenobi seeing the Sith Lord leaping for him in the sky decides to take the offense and manages to do a force push to knock the Sith Lord back and make him go off balanced. This gives Kenobi enough time to prepare for another onslaught of Malgus raged attacks. The Sith Lord does so and lashes out at Kenobi with all his might pushing Kenobi back toward a ledge, with a mighty kick he manages to connect with Kenobi and knock him off the edge. As Kenobi drops his lightsaber he hangs onto the edge for dear life. Malgus looks down at the Jedi and begins to taunt him as Maul did and strike the edge creating sparks so Kenobi would let go and fall to his death. While Malgus is doing this taunt Commander Kody however would actually sneak up and begin firing his blaster at Malgus. Malgus turns and deflects the shots back to Kody knocking the trooper down. However during that brief encounter along with Kenobi's luck and pure trust in the force he manages to pull and leap over Malgus with surprising speed. Malgus in disbelief from the resolve of this Jedi's resilience and Swordsmanship skills, Kenobi has his lightsaber back in his hand already Ignited as Malgus feels a incredible burn then numbness across his torso. He has been cut in half. Malgus drops his mighty weapon and falls over the edge in two. Obi Wan Kenobi limps away from the battle and helps Commander Kody up as the Sith forces retreat from the Jedi temple. The Negotiator has prevented War from continuing. This is only my opinion on how I think this fight would go, but I hope you enjoyed the story at least. If I sounded a little bias my bad, but it is what it is. Obi Wan had the Sword Skill, He had enough Tactical opportunities, Endurance, Resiliency, Force powers, and Luck to win this fight and live on to fight Darth Vader. In my opinion Darth Vader would be Obi Wan Kenobis greatest fight. Vader would kill Malgus.
no, you are wrong. First off comparing characters in Star Wars to characters conceived later is foolish as the entertainment industry drives the writers to constantly one-up themselves for force power use and lightsaber use. The prequels and video games have only built more and more upon the foundation of minor telekinesis and waving around a laser sword shown in the 70's. fighting ability is not comparable because the media and special effects technology as well as imaginative employment of Jedi and Sith ability CONSTANTLY expands. Of COURSE characters created later will win!
I disagree with the verdic for these reason: 1.You both were heavily biased in Malgus's favour 2.Malgus IS capable of getting angry you know.... 3.I have a feeling that the fight would purely be a contest of skill in combat,and with Obi Wan being a high general in the Clone Wars,he would have the edge in tactical and lightsaber skill. This is just my opinion :)
i like how you do the character vs character is well done and don't seem to let much bias into the reasoning like many would. will you ever do any ancient sith lords or jedi vs or force users who aren't considered jedi or sith?
most people i've seen generally just say sidiuos because sidious or some such when from what I've read about him and other sith their are some others who seem like they could be a match up too him the primary problem is sidious has more information out about him while many others don't have as much. so its hard to build a argument for them to match against him for the most part
Given that Jen regards Malgus as superior to Dooku as a combatant (a verdict that I strongly disagree, I believe Dooku to be stronger than Malgus), it's no surprise to see him believing that Malgus is superior Obi Wan as well. I am inclined to say that Kenobi is slightly superior to Malgus with the saber, given that his knowledge of Soresu is sufficient to block Malgus' brutal assault. And while Malgus might be a tank, he is not invincible in regards to stamina. Kenobi's form should be more than sufficient to eventually tire Malgus out. But adding force abilities to the equation, then it becomes no contest. Kenobi is shown to be weak against TK and that is what Malgus excels at. Even during his final battle at the Emperor's station, his force push was so powerful that one blast sent the entire strike team flying across the chamber. So while I agree with the verdict, I disagree with your evaluation of their dueling as I feel that Kenobi is slightly superior. If Kenobi gets any sort of advantage in their lightsaber duel, Malgus resorts to the force and dominates Kenobi.
I actually agree with you that Dooku is a superior combatant to Malgus (in regards to the blade). The reason Kenobi is not superior to Malgus is because Malgus' defense could hold out on Kenobi's offense. Kenobi's defense holds up against Malgus' offense. But Malgus' sustainability and effectiveness gives him a slight edge.
I agree that Kenobi objectively is more skilled with a blade than Malgus but in reference to each other, I don't think Malgus would tire out before he could penetrate Kenobi's defense either with a grapple and beat-down or with raw-force power. I think Kenobi's only chance after reviewing the evidence would be Sokan.
GreyFensir Wulf Just like Jen said. Either you beat Malgus quick or not at all. Dooku's MO was to end his fights quickly. His fighting style was not geared around wars of attrition. He went around your guards as quickly as possible. I think that's what would happen with Malgus. He could stab or slash around Malgus' guard.
Antoine Bandele Yes he possibly could but Malgus would realize Dooku's swordsmanship before too long and could probably over-power him or blade lock and turn it into a beat-down. Dooku can make physical attacks as well, and resist such things, but against a highly skilled rhino like Malgus i think he would simply be over-whelmed by his uncompromising brutality. Mikashi is also weak against power attacks and though Dooku has compensated for this weakness in general but power and ferocity is still the most effective tool to overwhelm him, which is how Anakin defeated him and a method that Malgus is geared for, while probably being an even more experienced Duelist than Anakin was.
Great analysis and video! Just one thing though: didn't Malgus have severe damage to his lungs, thus requiring his respirator? If so, I feel that there is at least a moderately good chance that Kenobi could beat Malgus by breaking it, similar to the 2nd fight between Batman and Bane in the Dark Knight Rises. What do you think?
I felt like Obi Wan had the edge on lightsaber dueling, he could just stall for many minutes and wait for Malgus to do an error and hit him on the weak spot when the time was right. He would also use his invironment to his advantage.
I agree wholeheartedly with this conclusion. While Kenobi's Sokan training could prove effective against an opponent with tactical tunnel vision, like Malgus and famously Anakin, the fundamental difference between Skywalker (At that stage in his life) and Malgus is that Skywalker's rage fueled offensive was nothing more than a purely instinctual response to his psychology and combat preferences; it lacked any tactical refinement because Vader had yet to attain the wisdom, grit, and experience of a true Sith Warrior. Malgus's may seem outwardly crude, but that is only because he has eliminated all the fluff from his technique. He's not overcome by rage; rage is a path he has chosen consciously and carefully time and time again, and so he has attuned all of his other combat skills to work around the disadvantages of it. Where as Anakin lacked the toughness to deal with the mistake he made in his duel with Kenobi, a brief opening is nowhere near enough of a gap in defense to stop Malgus's assault; you either kill Malgus, cripple him beyond repair, or he kills you. But a mistake on Kenobi's end, however minor, would be the nail in the coffin against someone wielding as much sheer destructive might as Darth Malgus. Obi-Wan's lackluster defense against force powers is that weakness, and the moment Malgus breaks through it, the fight is all over.
Plus Obi's Form 3 has a huge disadvantage! Once his defense got overloaded, he simply has nothing to offer! Obi's offence(mastery of Form 4) was highly overrated! No one considered him as 'A master of Ataru'(a title that Qui Gon owned with ease).
I would maintain Obi-Wan's mastery of Ataru, based on his first duel with Darth Maul, who was forced to resort to his force powers to defeat Kenobi. Maul had just defeated Qui-Gon Jin, a known Ataru master, and the fact that Obi-Wan, not yet knight and nowhere near his peak, was able to drive Maul onto his back foot is no mean feat. And while Maul still won (He only got cut in half because his arrogance got the better of him), he had to make use of the Force (Which he almost always avoids doing unless he has absolutely no choice) AND an unusual environmental element to do so. You could make the argument that Maul was exhausted, but remember the laser doors created not one, bur two significant breaks in the conflict, and gave each combatant time to rest. In conclusion, it is possible that Obi-Wan was the best swordsman to fight in the Duel of Fates, and that if the contest was fought on a different venue, he may have come out on top and slain Maul outright. That Obi-Wan was even capable of fighting Darth Maul on his own is a testament to his skill; Darth Maul killed several renowned lightsaber masters and was instructed by Darth Sidious himself. Ataru was the only form Kenobi made use of at the time, so I think it's safe to say that his mastery of it, while nowhere near that of, say, Dooku's mastery of Form II, is fairly complete in it's own right, since he remained a deadly swordsman using it and nothing else.
Isaac Taylor Take that as a dark rage amp my friend, just like how Anakin outdueled Dooku in EP3. Obi got ragdolled and wounded few times by the resurrected Maul in TCW both with or without the help of Asajj Ventress! This clearly proofed that if his defense ever getting overloaded, he will simply has nothing to offer! This also showed that TCW Obi was still not as powerful as EP1 dark side rage amped Obi or 'A true master of Ataru' like Qui Gon Jinn. Same feat happened with Mace Windu, another overrated Jedi, who outdueled Sidious marginally with the dark side amp from Vaapad but was unable to outduel Dooku what so ever in the Battle of Boz Pity just 5 months before EP3!(Official comic: Star Wars Obsession) In fact, Windu was also unable to outduel SOD Maul fast even with the help of Jedi Knight Aayla Secura in Disney's official comic: Son of Dathomir(An event most likely happened just a year before EP3).
TheSunStudio1 What evidence do you have to suggest Obi-Wan was empowered by dark rage; being under duress alone will not automatically trigger dark rage. The fact that Maul outdid Obi-Wan with the force was never in question; the fact that he never outdid Obi-Wan without resorting to force powers is the important fact when examining his skill as a duelist. And the fact that Obi-Wan has been defeated via force powers doesn't prove that he's helpless when his defense is overrun. In fact, this statement doesn't really make sense. Each time Obi-Wan has been put down permanently by Telekinesis, it defeated him outright. How do you expect him to then mount a offensive front, if he's unconscious or disarmed? Ans suppose Telekinesis DOESN'T bring him down, and he gets right back up and goes back to stonewalling his opponent. Well, in that case his defense hasn't failed at all. You're essentially saying that when Obi-Wan is defeated, he is defeated, and therefore he has no offensive prowess. The conclusion here is completely non sequitur. The reason that Obi-Wan doesn't often shift into Ataru is because he so rarely has to. In fact, I can't think of many instances in which Obi-Wan has actually been out fenced; defeated without the use of force powers. As for TCW, if you're referring to the fight between Kenobi, Maul, and Savage, I recall that Kenobi was coming out on top of that fight; he was capably defending against both opponents on his own, and crippled Oppress. I can't imagine he would have had trouble taking on the lone Darth Maul if was able to handle him when he had backup. It's true that this fight again illustrates Kenobi's weak force barrier, but neither of the force pushes employed by Maul in this fight put Kenobi down for the count; after the first, he got right back up and sliced of Savage's arm, and the second one didn't appear to phase him that much more. Assuming that Obi-Wan was empowered by the dark side in episode 1 seems like a baseless claim. It's never mentioned that he was, he never uses that power again, his movements remained controlled and graceful, and later when he does begin to draw on his rage against Maul, in the four way fight that involved Ventress, it only serves to unbalance him. As for Windu, that's a completely different conversation. I will say that Windu is anything but overrated. I haven't read the comics you're talking about, but losing a duel against Darth Tyranus, one of the greatest Lightsaber masters of the era, certainly doesn't demonstrate a lack of skill.
TheSunStudio1 UPDATE: So I did some research on the topic of Windu, and I can't find any source that ever showcased a decisive bout of swordplay between Dooku and Windu alone. I would not put it past Dooku to defeat Mace in a duel, but I wouldn't deny the reverse either. Again, I'm not sure how you would call a Jedi on par with Count Dooku overrated.
A review well thought out and with which I agree. My only gripe is when it's stated that Obi-Wan "parried" Grievous' hand. What with having some experience with fencing myself, it seemed to me more a case where Grievous attacked, Kenobi dodged, and cut Grievous' hand off in that resultant opening. It's a nitpick in terms of words, I just think "parry" is the wrong word to describe it, more of just classic Kenobi capitalising on openings his opponents provide. Great video though!
Kenobi is the perfect Jedi to take Malgus on. Just like Anakin, Malgus is all about full-frontal assaults. A defense-oriented Jedi is the perfect counterbalance to Darth Malgus, who is basically a mix of Dooku and Vader. If it was old Kenobi, he would lose. But young EPIII Kenobi? No, he'd actually win, or at least have a draw with Malgus.
ok guys we all know that when malgus unleashes his full sith fury Kenobi would simply dodge at the last second simply pivot around malgus while he is in the air lunging forward and strike for his leg below the knee and if successful leave battle scared for life
Very well analysed and compared. As much as we all love Obi-Wan, there's really no question that his offence simply isn't enough for Malgus :( ; great job anyway guys - really enjoying all the collabs! :)
Antoine Bandele I think if Obi Wan had considerable armor like Malgus he would definitely stand a chance. If obi wan can beat foes like count dooku, mace windu, assaj ventress, general grievous, the bounty hunter durge, darth maul, savage opress, darth vader himself, and even mandalorian warriors such as jango fett, and pre vizla. I also see that the makers of star wars make the expanded universe characters seem more powerful, than characters in the movies or tv shows, merely to show how powerful the force really is. In my opinion Obi wan definitely has a better chance at beating Malgus as you say. This is just my opinion though, and I think you did a brilliant job on the fight though.
Very good description of the fight!! I actually felt the adrenaline when you were describing how both used their tactics. But... I think Obi Wan would had won. Why? Simply by understanding that Malgus wouldn't had lasted very long without his respirator. Yes, Malgus would had been pissed, and he would had brought rain fire on Obi Wan. But as the master of Soresu, Malgus would just had tired out in a few minutes, allowing Obi to use his surroundings and eventually winning.
10:42 guys don't you remember what yoda said in the empire strikes back size or wheight maters not in force and in life all things are equal no mater how big or how small
Hey man, seeing all the people who think that you were influenced by Jensaarai, I believe this conclusion was perfect. While Kenobi is very strong, Malgus was born in war, molded by it, he is a tank and a veteran. Obviously Kenobi is great but Malgus wins ofc. I support this vid xD
I keep coming back to this video when i think of great conclusions to VS matches I especially like the blend of Narrative and Analytic commentary in the end scenario
I think if Obi-Wan can outduel Grievous's droid powered 20 blows per second without his lightsaber arm folding he can certainly best Malgus as a duelist. I understand Malgus is physically enhanced by both the dark side and his cybernetics but Obi-Wan could move fast enough to parry/dodge 20 lightsaber attacks from four directions at once in the Revenge of the Sith novel. To me that means by the time he hit his "prime" as you guys call it he would be able to dance circles around Malgus as a duelist. The only reason we don't see this in his fight vs Vader is the entire fight he is struggling emotionally with the concept of killing his best friend, a struggle he lost and it cost the Jedi order dearly. I also firmly believe that as he did with Anakin, Obi-Wan would be able to goad Malgus into doing something stupid that could expose a weakness. Malgus was just as arrogant and self righteous as Anakin despite each being considered the quintessential war hero of their era. I also think you have to give Obi-Wan a bit more credit on his defense against Force abilities as he would have no doubt grown from each experience being manhandled by Dooku. A Jedi as humble as Obi-Wan I can imagine seeking guidance on how to deal with those manner of attacks through meditation or counsel with Windu or Yoda. I think by his prime his defenses could handle a force choke attempt, or at least combat it by using the same technique he employed against Anakin to rupture something mechanical on Malgus's suit.
Jedi Infiltrator It's not an issue of Obi-Wan being able to defend Malgus' assault. There is nothing Malgus could do with a saber that could penetrate Kenobi. This match is not determined by a lightsaber strike, it would be determined by the Force. In terms of your thoughts on Obi-Wan's goading. I would actually agree, but Malgus has showcased that he is a tactical and intelligent fighter. He wouldn't go for any of Obi-Wan's tricks like Pre-Suit Vader did. Malgus wasn't really all that arrogant. He definitely knew he was powerful and did not mind displaying his power, but he was not needlessly egotistical. He enjoyed being a Sith, he enjoyed battle, he enjoyed rage. Most of all, he enjoyed killing Jedi. And he was very good at doing it. If the Jedi Order survived pass Revenge of the Sith I would have no doubt that Obi-Wan would have mustered up a more powerful barrier. But these versus videos do not work in "what ifs" or "what could have been." We observe what a character shows us. In the case of Obi-Wan, he has a weak Force barrier. That has been evident from his days as a padawan all the way up to his tenure on the Jedi council. When it came to substantial Force users (and even not so substantial ... i.e. Dooku and Maul) he did not hold a strong Force barrier. And it makes sense. To achieve such a mastery with Soresu, all of his focus was dedicated to his physical blade guard, not his metaphysical one. I think your perception of Obi-Wan's prime is a what if. Primes are not a what-if. It is what's presented to us. There are no feats that suggest Obi-Wan has a significant Force barrier. I have opinions too, but I usually like to back them up with information from the lore. It usually makes my opinion a bit stronger.
Antoine Bandele I would argue that force choke has more to do with catching one by surprise rather than one's force barrier. It also has to do with maximizing one's rage, typically due to an external factor. The only time Malgus uses force choke to kill is against an unnamed Jedi knight or padawan (it isn't determined which only that it was likely not a master as most of the masters were either at the peace negotiations on Alderaan or otherwise defending Republic interests) during the sacking of the Jedi temple. He killed this Jedi instantly with choke after Zallow wounded Eleena. He also uses it twice more in that novel, against a Jedi named Alara, whose hand he severed before grabbing her throat with the force and slamming her into the ground, and again against Adraas whose arm he severs before briefly force choking him before physically choking him death. Using these three examples, the latter two have experienced a major disconnection to the force as well as a loss of concentration before he employs the choke. The only argument about force barriers here is that the unnamed Jedi he outright killed must have had a truly woeful barrier as he died instantly. If Kenobi is at all comparable to this Jedi then Malgus would merely crush him with a choke rather than waste time dueling him. I would further back the point about choke being a surprise tactic rather than a force barrier tactic by stating that Savage Opress manages to choke both Ventress and Dooku simultaneously. Ventress also manages to choke both Anakin and Obi-Wan simultaneously. Both of these instances involve the choker being at full rage after being made a fool of and the receiver being surprised by the move. However neither instance caused any of the receivers any permanent harm. So unless your argument is that all four of these combatants have extremely weak force barriers, particularly Dooku being choked by a novice like Opress, then I think I can fairly argue that Obi-Wan, unless he suffers a major injury like a loss of a limb can avoid the death you described in this video. If you had said Malgus had caught Kenobi with a blast of lightning after knocking his blade aside I would be more inclined to agree as numerous times during this novel he manages to kill, or stun long enough to be able to kill Jedi with lightning and while Obi-Wan was skilled with Tutaminis he is never shown absorbing lightning without his lightsaber.
Antoine Bandele Great collab! I have a few ideas for a few versus videos Count Dooku vs Starkiller Darth Malgus vs Starkiller Wolf Sazen vs Asaaj Ventress Or for your team battles Aayla Secura and Quinlan Vos vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress
I realize that you are probably already have a lot of versus videos lined up, but I have an idea for a match that I think would be interesting: Plo Koon versus Count Dooku. I had the idea for this fight when I considered that it has often been said that the only members of the order capable of defeating Dooku in a contest of swordsmanship were Mace Windu and Yoda. Then I considered, that in my view, Plo Koon is one of the most refined masters of Djem So, of his era, A form that Count Dooku's Makashi would be weak against.Of course I realize that mastery of Djem So alone is not enough to defeat the likes of Count Dooku but I am still rather curious how these two would stack up against each other if they ever crossed blades. I hope you will take this idea for a match into consideration. I love your Videos by the way.
It's a misconception that *Dooku* is weak to Djem So. Yes, inherently Makashi is weak against kinetic attacks but Dooku had no trouble defending against strong attacks (ie his many duels with Anakin, his fights with Grievous, fight with Savage Oppress, fight with Sora Bulq etc.) The reason Dooku lost to Anakin is simply because Anakin got better. Dooku said Anakin was the finest Djem So specialist he had ever seen, period. That includes Plo Koon. I probably won't ever do a direct match up of the two but the closest you might get is this collaboration between me and Reti4. ua-cam.com/video/e4gxnfHrnnI/v-deo.html
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Struggling to keep up? I'm sorry but if there's one advantage that Kenobi has over Malgus, it's speed. That duel with Vader on Mustafar is a bloody testament to that. There's almost no way that Malgus could keep up with that for a long term. While Malgus may also be a solid duelist, most of his advantages come almost purely from powerful strikes. With Kenobi being quick on his feet, he probably wouldn't even have to block half of those strikes, merely dodge them.
Andrew Ford Malgus is well known for fighting people much faster than Kenobi.
I agree with you there but Malgus could hold back satelle but he let that trooper get him
Jared Wat Well Jedi like Satelle is what/who I was talking about she was extremely fast and agile and was unable to defeat malgus with pure dueling due to his skill and ability to keep up with much faster opponents.
+Jared Wat Jace Malcom got him because Malgus has somewhat of a tunnel view. He can focus so perfectly on his enemy that he forgets about his surroundings, and that's why he didn't notice Jace coming for him.
+Andrew Ford Malgus' respirator doubles his ogyxen intake which also greatly expands his stamina. And Malgus is a lot faster than he seems.
Obi-Wan would come back as a ghost and harass Malgus to the point that he'd kill himself lol
+NathanL17Gaming I would love to see a whole film of Obi-Wan just harassing people as a force ghost. XD
+Riley Ellis fund this we must
+Adam Putt just picture it: Yoda, Anakin, and Obiwan going around the Galaxy acting like Statler and Waldorf from the muppets lol
+Riley Ellis Actually...
Anakin's force ghost harasses people after death the movie. He would take his child and just harass random people he doesn't like. 'Nuff said.
That actually makes sense
So after all that you said about and his resilience to pain, he killed when he is thrown into a pillar.
I like you.
...thanks
Kenobi's Force wall was too weak to cushion the impact.
Then how is it useful in a fight? There was no point bringing it up cus it doesn't help him. Even if u get punched in the face the damage is still there so it doesnt make a difference. Why bring it up.
Yeah but it was still death by wall. He can survive being thrown into a metal balcony then hv it collapes on him. He can survive falling 18 stories off the side of a cliff into water. He can survive being attacked by three very hungry monsters while chained to a piller but being tossed into a piller is enough to spell out the end for the legendary Obi-Wan Kenobi.
That entire thing, all three episodes, sounded very very biased. Obi Wan is far too inventive to go down that easily. He would've found some environmental advantage before death. Also, you said yourself that malgus's respiration mask improved his stamina, yet you said he didn't slow down at all. That goes directly against what you said. And, like with grievous, Obi Wan also would've found a way to injure or slow him with parries and counters. He's far more tactical than malgus is which can cancel out adaptivity. Again, it sounded very biased.
James Snell now u dont really see the milieu here...malgus had fought against hundreads or even thousands of jedis and he battled in wars and such he was so experienced in duels he would maybe even destroy obi wan as obi wan wasnt very much better than everyone else malgus has defented thus obi wan ONLY faced 1 sith (dooku) and he lost (ofc maul and anakin but they werent ready yet)...malgus was just so much more experienced and he was trained to kill jedis when obi wan was trained to deflect blasters...
@@finnishvanderlinder6096 You're forgetting he cut Darth maul in half as a padiwan. Which is pretty impressive.
@@atedinahalf6288 well ye but maul was an apprentice aswell
@@finnishvanderlinder6096 So was dooku. Lol what point are you trying to make.
@@atedinahalf6288 well i mean dooku was faaaaaar more experienced and im trying to say that maul wasnt fully ready yet and was still training
This is one of the few times I've disagreed with your verdict--the other being Malgus and Dooku. Malgus is not this tactical fighter you guys have played him up to be. He instinctively did one crafty move against Ven and that suddenly makes him a tactician? I've played TOR, read all of the books and comics and can easily say that Malgus is a hammer. Nothing more. A big and relentless hammer, but that's exactly the type of fighter Obi-Wan is prepared to deal with. Malgus would not overload Kenobi's defenses with anything less than his Force abilities, and even those can be combated. His lightning has never been shown producing any more force behind it than Dooku's, which Kenobi easily blocked. Force Choke would be Malgus' big winning point here and nothing more. And even then, it could still very easily go either way. Obi-Wan brick walls his fighting style (duel with Vader), overcomes his physical capabilities (as shown with Savage and Maul), and can at least tank a good dead of Force damage (every fight he's ever been in but Dooku).
You guys say to share our thoughts, so I did. And yes, just like you, this is just an opinion. And just like yours, it's subject to be wrong.
The novel depicts Malgus as a bit more than just a blunt instrument. I actually believe by the end of Deceived, Malgus' Force Lightning is stronger than Dooku's. I do agree that Obi-Wan could win in the way of attacking Malgus at a weak point (continually hitting his knee or mask). But we felt it was more likely that Obi-Wan's Force wall would be broken and he would be ragdolled.
Antoine Bandele I would argue that Malgus' force lightning is stronger than dookus as early as the events of the third lesson due to the fact that he overwhelmed the defenses of a jedi powerful enough to collapse 2 buildings at once
mathew erickson During the Battle of Alderaan his Force lightning was still below Dooku. It wasn't until the end of Deceived that I think he got better.
Antoine Bandele i think that overwhelming the defenses of a jedi that was capable of collapsing 2 large buildings is significantly superior to anything that dooku has shown
mathew erickson That does not necessarily correlated. Just because a Jedi has a grand offense doesn't mean it translate to his defense.
I thought Obi-Wan would take the lightsaber round for sure.
I thought he should too. That was where the largest debate came between Jensaarai1 and me.
I would take the lightsaber round for sure.
Tim Hulak
I definitely think Malgus would take it but it would be close.
@@AntoineBandele I seriously believe you need to reevaluate your conclusion obi wan was the master of form 3 and since malgus was a user of form 5 obi wan should have had a more easy time to deal with since he has had experience with form 5 with his duels with anakin who is quite obviously more skilled with the form and more than that he has the foresight to wait out his opponent to see flaws in his opponents form and deal in counter attacks both precise and quick (see obi wan vs darth plaguis video for details) and if its with physical ability's malgus would be strong but obi wan has had experience with strong handed opponents with his duels with anakin skywalker and general grievous and obi wan is a master of leading a battle to places he is more comfortable with and also obi wan is THE MASTER of form 3 and only THE absolute MASTER OF EITHER FORM 5,2 or 7 they would just be hitting a brick wall and malgus is skilled in form 5 he is not on the level of anakin skywalker who is THE MASTER of form 5 and obi wan has prove able to defend against for long periods of time and has proven able to defend for hours and hours at a time in duels and I highly believe for even days or day regardless so I highly doubt this second rate vader who got frozen in carbonate making him not even worse killing beat one of the most masterful duelist of the clone wars, slayer of griveous and victor of the the battle of mustafar so GET ON YOUR COMPUTER AND START REDOING YOUR CALCULATIONS OF THIS BATTLE AND DO OBI WAN SOME GODDAMN JUSTICE
@@harrywang1275 He said somewhere else that he wanted to give the duelling edge to Kenobi, but Connor (Jensaari1) demanded the edge be given to Malgus.
Quite telling huh.
Good video, but I still disagree with the verdict. Kenobi's force wall is massively underrated. It is by no means weak, and Kenobi is pretty powerful himself. Malgus was able to put a random Jedi in a force grip, that doesn't mean he'd be able to do the same to Kenobi. Malgus was not able to bring his force powers to great effect against Zallow and Shan, even when they were on the defensive. The most he could do was bring about a simple force push, something that wont be surprising Kenobi or taking him out. When it comes to dueling, Kenobi is clearly the superior combatant. Malgus was being pressed by Zallow, someone who is maybe on Jinn's level as an overall combatant. Kenobi was able to hold off the combined assault of Maul and Opress for a time, even cutting off Opress's arm. Even Dooku wasn't able to get through Kenobi's guard during Kenobi's prime, having to resort to Force attacks. Dooku is a more powerful force user than Malgus, so I don't see this being a good reason for why Malgus could take Kenobi out with force based attacks. In the end, both are primarily lightsaber duelists, and when Malgus was being pressured by Zallow, he didn't resort to force attacks, instead he tried to outsmart him, something I don't think he'd be able to do against Kenobi, given his superior tactics. If anything, Kenobi would be the one outsmarting Malgus. It makes sense for this fight to be determined mainly by saber skill, as again, both are mainly lightsaber duelists, not force users, and Kenobi simply gets the comfortable edge in dueling.
+Chris Ward In my opinion, Obi-Wan was one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, but that doesn't mean he was one of the most powerful of all times! He might just have been an equal with Ven Zallow (maybe Ven Zallow was in fact a little bit more skilled), yet Malgus took Zallow down quite smoothly. The same would happen to Obi, he would just become a number in Malgus' "killed jedi masters" account and there is no way out of it. That is pure math (if 3>2, than 3>1 as well). Even though a feel a great respect for Obi-Wan as much as I disrespect the jedi for they are weak in general, Obi would have no chance at all here and it's only good that those two lived in completely different eras.
+Ondřej Volejník Sorry, but I disagree with almost everything you've said. Kenobi has come up against some of the best duelists and most powerful people of all time, such as Anakin, General Grievous, Count Dooku, Darth Maul and Asajj Ventress, who would all beat Malgus, except maybe Ventress. Malgus simply doesn't have the feats to suggest he could beat Obi-Wan. If you think Malgus could win because Obi-Wan has a weak force wall (a common misconception), Kenobi has defended from attacks from people like Count Dooku, someone noticeably more powerful than Malgus. If Malgus were to come up against a lot of the Jedi/sith of Kenobi's era, he'd be cut down by most of them. Qui-Gon Jinn vs Malgus would have been a better battle, considering that Zallow was pressing an advantage on Malgus and he isn't even as good as Jinn, in my opinion.
Chris Ward But that, my friend, is only your dellusion. Anakin - very talented and with such a potential, but not at all powerful for a sith, Grievous - not even a force user, only a stupid droid xD you can't really be serious about him ROFL, Dooku - fine nobleman, skilled saber duelist, but in the end, not so skilled and not at all powerful for a sith, Maul - very beautiful Zabrak, isn't he :D... no, you can't take him seriously for a powerful sith, or can you? xD, Asajj Ventress - interesting story, but noooo, she's not a powerful sith, nor she is a skilled saber duelist. Malgus killed dozens, if not hundreds of the best jedi warriors of his age (certainly more powerful than jedi of Kenobi's age as peace made the jedi weaker as well as the rule of 2 weakened the sith) and he also defeated all of the most powerful sith lords of his age on his rise to power. It's like if you'd take someone who trains with katana nowadays and made him face Mojimoto Musashi, the best warrior of 16th century Japan. Moreover, you are not even naming the real superpowerful beasts of SW universe, you're just thinking about the most profaned characters thanks to the films. Have you even read some Star Wars book, be it a novel or comic book? I certainly doubt it. Howgh, I have speaken.
+Chris Ward It is true that Kenobi's defense was and maybe still is one of the greatest in the galaxy, but he is not as strong deflecting or defending himself from force attacks than he is to defending from saber attacks.
+Patricio Flores Garcia I know, but most people claim Kenobi is almost defenceless from force attacks, when that simply isn't the case. He'd certainly be able to defend from Malgus's telekinetic and lightning attacks.
Since the beginning, I knew Darth Malgus was going to be the victor, but I'm glad to realize the great potential Obi-Wan has. He's my favorite Jedi. I didn't imagine that he could put so much fight against Malgus.
Oh hell yes
I disagree...
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi hello there
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Yeah, you should have won!
@@Calmoose415 No, he shouldn't of.
in my opinion Kenobi is a better duelist as Malgus' Djem So is inferior to Anakin's (atleast to me) which Kenobi has shown he can deal and the fact Kenobi is considered one of the greatest of all time while Malgus is just great
I agree.
wolfmaster7 Erik Hernandez but think that malgus fought in hundreds or maybe even in thousands of battles/duels and he was trained to kill jedis...when obi wan was trained to deflect blasters and he had never faced sith (exept dooku and he lost) and malgus had faced like hundreads of jedis and beat them all exept one that he didnt even lose i would call it a draw
But none of them are not worthy
so im guessing grevious, maul, savage, ventress and anakin dont count as sith
See, I actually disagree with the dueling edge for magus. You said that Obi-Wan could block 18 strikes a second right? No way on Earth Malgus could move that fast. why doesn't that give Obiwan a speed advantage? Like, blocking 18 strikes a second makes him blindingly fast correct? He should be somewhat capable of moving that fast at least a little bit for offense right?
I'd like to see your response to this.
+Spenser Sowards Malgus*
Well, that makes sense, but Obi-wan fought against Maul and Vader. I know that Malgus is freaking ridiculous, but Vader and Maul still hit pretty hard right?
Yeah kenobi also gets way to little credit for his dueling and his force wall
+Spenser Sowards deflecting attacks and initating them are two very different things.
+Spenser Sowards maul isn't a hard hitter, and vader was just a ferocious fighter but if you watch them, anakin very nearly ended the fight when he started to use is strength against obi-wan. In my opinion obi-wan's only saving grace is his speed, if he locks blades with a strong force user or someone physically strong he is screwed, hence the reason why he is primarily a defensive fighter and his best answer is to dodge or parry. also general grievous makes fast strikes not heavy ones, again playing to obi-wans advantage.
wow....that seems pretty biased, pretty clear Kenobi was a better duelist
William Blackfyre I can't speak for Jensaarai1 but there was no bias on my part.
Antoine Bandele you acknowledge that obiwan was force pushed by dooku but fail to mention malgus getting the same done by shan...actually worse...I've watched enough of the videos to recognize the Kenobi being downplayed
William Blackfyre Obi-Wan was pushed in direct combat. Malgus was pushed after being distracted and hit with a grenade blasts. Those are two very different situations.
William Blackfyre Do not forget. Malgus was overpowering Shan first force attack. He was starting to walk to her when she unless a force attack the shattered a mountain. Obiwan was not thrown that hard. If was all 4 characters in the room would have been vented into space.
Can you really say Obiwan would have survived a blast that shattered a mountain?
doomblackdragon so your saying shan's force push was stronger than anakins?
Obi wan have the high ground
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Obi-Wan would just wave his hand and tell Malgus to go jump in lava or something. You guys aren't giving Obi-wan enough credit. He was at his prime right after communicating with Quigon and learning about the living force.
+srinivas kumar A mind trick like that would not work on a force user as strong as Malgus.
+Neo Metal Sonic I'm sure it could, if used like the environment and unnoticibly. Like these fellas already stated, Malgus is tunnel visioned and im quite sure Obi-Wan could screw his min passively or without being obvious about it.
A bit like genjutsu in naruto, and several other animes
THERAMMSTEINFAN490 Used like the enviroment and unoticably? How does one even do that? I have only ever heard it be done my waving their hand and telling them to use it. Also, I believe they surpirisingly aren't giving Malgus enough credit. Yeah he won, but that tunnel vision problem was not in his prime. He was an average sith lord at best at that time of Alderaan, at the sacking of coruscant I saw no indication of tunnel vision being a problem. And if Obi wan could do that how come he didn't do tjhat to Anakin who had tunnel vision problems
We're not talking tunnel vision as in lack of perspective, but tunnel vision as in lack of overview over say a battleground. Malgus has shown that quite clearly. Not sure it would be possible to play mindtricks on him and not per-say unnoticed, i was sorta trying to hint at a way to make use of the force tactically and not as much practically :P
I find my lack of proper expression disturbing
THERAMMSTEINFAN490 OK, then name one instance post-battle of Alderaan when he had a lack of overview
This guy (Jensaarai) is not really fair. He should treat them equally, but you can clearly hear that he's cheering for Malgus.
I also think that you both underestimated Obi's speed when he merge with the Force (like the duel against Grievous which is faster then Malgus).
+MaX Frost I don't believe Jensaarai was being bias. He definitely is a fan of Malgus but he seems to appreciate Obi-wan as a duelist as well. Though i'm with you 100% about them underestimating Obi-wan's speed.
I liked the video, and I think you analyzed the characters really well (ish). I do strongly disagree with this verdict however. A) Malgus may very well be a great duelist, but, he has yet to fight anyone on Obi Wan's tier. None of Malgus's feats compare with Kenobi's as a duelist. B) To take it a step further, what about Obi Wan's use of Sokan? Malgus has a tunnel vision problem; he is often so focused on his opponent that his opponent can use the environment around them and blindside him (watch the battle for Alderan trailer). This is something that Kenobi is infamous for! luring his opponent to an area of his advantage. Sorry, I just do not see it, Malgus has never fought anyone like Kenobi.
+Christian Morrell what do you mean his feats dont compare?? Malgus is known for killing the grandmaster of his era, the grandmaster of kenobis era was Yoda. in a 1 on 1 battle tunnel vision does not matter.
+Deviss Okesene A) Yes my friend a grandmaster is usually a very worthy kill. However, Ven Zallow isn't really a notable feat, his use of ataru is basic and his force abilities do not stand out. In fact look up Ven Zallow vs Qui Gon Jinn, it will help explain my point. B) Look at Obi Wan's fight with Anakin and then tell me tunnel vision does not matter.
+Deviss Okesene Uh...Ven Zallow was not the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order. He was a Battlemaster, as was Cao Cen Darach. The issue, however, is that Cao Cen Darach was fatigued from facing both Malgus and Vindican. Facing Malgus fresh, without Vindican's interference, could very easily have ended quite differently. Battlemasters are typically those who teach the most promising students of the Order in dueling. Grandmasters however are the pinnacle of the Order.
Christian Morrell I agree with some of your points but you seem biased
Your right, I would totally win.
The Force is strong with Obi-Wan. It is a fact, that is not portrayed by his skills, but his deeds. Even though he defeated a stronger duelist, a tireless machine and the Chosen One, it is not the way he fights, but the way he thinks, that makes him such a formidable Jedi.
_"You can't win. But there are alternatives to fighting."_ -Obi Wan, 0 BBY
Martin Kincl Indeed.
agree
Yet his approach to defeating the Emperor and Vader were wrong, as Luke ended up showing.
An epic collaboration between two of my favorite versus series makers (who I almost never agree with, but whatever) with two pretty darn cool characters. Great job dudes :)
Our opinions might not align with everyone, but we always give reasons for our opinions.
True. You are both Very respectable in that regard, and to be fare, we mostly disagree only on the Dark Side/Sith.
What everyone has to remember is that due to constant warfare, the Sith from TOR era are just flat out brutal fighting machines. Malgus was in his 60's when he died, you don't live that long as a Sith in his time period if you aren't a total BAMF. the Jedi order from the Clone Wars era had a millennium of "peace", and had lost much of their "edge" (many of the ancient fighting forms were forgotten or not widely taught, as there were "no Sith" left to fight). The thing you have to remember about the true Sith is this: they will do absolutely anything to win/survive, and that kind of drive is not something to be downplayed. Malgus had control of his rage, meaning that he wouldn't make Anakin's mistakes. If Dooku (known more for his fencing, not force prowess) could toss/choke Obi-wan around like a rag doll, while being preoccupied with Anakin, I'm pretty sure Malgus (who was more or less a walking WMD) could do the same. In the end, the only thing that really can reliably defeat the Sith are the Sith themselves, regardless of what rendition of them we're talking about. While a Jedi Master is a Master of Peace Keeping; A Darth is the embodiment of death itself.
obi-wan would have told him to rethink his life
:)
+Dr Boom Yeah really
The Jedi mind trick only works on the weak-minded. Malgus is not going to be tricked by it.
"You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Hah. Obi-Wan never really dies.
Obi Wan would clearly win, do not get me wrong Malgus rocks. However, Malgus has major tunnel vision and has been caught off gaurd when his opponets use the enviorment to there advantage. ex when he was fighting satele. furthermore, Obi Wan was the Clone Wars as he fought just about every mager villian except Siddious, and in each fight he used the enviorment to his advantage. Therefore Obi Wan would win.
cxm I actually don't get the tunnel vision arguments aside from his very first fight with Kao Cen Darach. Against Satele she toppled a tree and he jumped out of the way. Tunnel vision would mean he would get crushed or hit by the tree and he didn't.
Antoine Bandele we have seen Malgus fail time after time to exploit the enviorment around him. At times he is so focused on the person he is fighting that we have seen Malgus caught off gaurd by his opponet using the surrondings as a weapon,leading to his defeat on Alderaan. Even Jensaarai1 noted this in Vader vs Malgus.
Antoine Bandele ps not trying to be mean just stating my opinion luv the show.
hey Antoine Bandele what do think of Obi Wan vs Ven Zallow?
Obi Wan would kick Malgus' ass
I think you didnt factor in Malgus's tunnel vision and sloppy terrain awareness vrs Obi-Wan's resourcefulness on the battlefield for using his environment. Both in the swordsmanship comparison and in the battle itself, you made it sound like Kenobi would decide to fight Malgus head on. As mentioned in the video, he is very very clever in his aproach to combat, and at the point when Malgus's mask comes off, Kenobi would recognize both through intuition and through experiance that he just angered the rankor (at which point he might make a funy coment, pissing the sith lord of furhter). The fight therefore would become comparable to Malgus as a charging bull vrs Kenobi as a matador, outmanuvering a the angry sith. Either that, or Kenobi would let the force wing it to match Malgus's dark side influence with his own light side. I dont know if this would bring the edge to Kenobi, but it has worked for him before against angry powerhouses like Ventress, Vader, Grivous, Maul and Opress, the last two fighting him together on (one of the fueled by a thirst for vengance).
This fight could just as easily have ended with Kenobi dismembering Malgus with a suttle counter, fleeing Malgus after outmanuvering him (true to his pacifistic ways) to later re-evaluate his opponent, or cornering the angered Sith on the high grown, unstable ground, pillar, or whatever other terrain advantage Kenobi would pick.
I totally agree
It seems like a lot of people including myself agree. I don't think he'd be falling for a kick to the chest again either. His defense was vastly improved and Malgus would likely lose that limb IMHO.
Damn i had nasty spelling here n.nU
I disagree heavily. To base the abilities of Malgus off of the trailers specifically meant to hype up a fan base is a bit ridiculous. I mean it looked more like a dragonball z fight than Star Wars and was obvious embellishment. Malgus is powerful i'll give him that, but Obi-wan defeated Darth Maul, Grevious and Darth Vader in his prime. He also fought off both Maul and Savage at once while injured. There are few Sith he couldn't beat head to head. Also Malgus has never been shown to defeat any enemies single handedly. His defeat of Satele's master was only after both he and his master fought him, after they had fought through some basic troops. Same thing for his defeat of the master at the jedi temple, he had already had to fight several sith. Malgus rarely fights anyone fairly head on, he simply wades through attacking people from behind or has support. He has never been shown to fight without some kind of reinforcements. Obi-wan though defeated maul as a padawan after his master was killed, defeated Anikan, one of the most powerful jedi in history and his former apprentice. Malgus fighting Obi-wan straight on head to head would not go well for him. Obi-wan only lost to Dooku due to poor plot, Dooku himself commented that Kenobi was one of the finest swordsmen in the order. So yea that's my rant.
I disagree with that first bit. The fights in those trailers were perhaps the best balance of what Jedi fighting actually looks like. The kind that is not limited by live-action but also not blown out of proportion like in the animated stuff.
The lightsaber combat was pretty excellent, but the force push satele used to crush malgus into a mountain was ridiculous and him surviving something like that even more so. A grenade just earlier had shattered his force wall. I don't believe that literal tons of rock could fall on him without him dying. I just don't believe Malgus was all that powerful honestly. And i really think this video underestimates Obi-wan's abilities. I mean name another jedi who could fight off two sith at once single handedly. Obi-wan might specialize in soresu, but if you watch him in the clone wars animated series which is canon he is not as passive as this video makes him seem. Yes he specializes in defense which gives him such a strong place to strike from. Don't forget that he has also specialized in Ataru before he took up Soresu as his primary style. Malgus is strong but his tactic is pretty much to bull rush through his opponent, which doesn't work on obi-wan, for example: Grievous, Maul and Savage, Ventress, Anakin. Not a single one of them could break through his defense to land a blow and he maimed/killed just about every dark side force user he went up against, with the exception of Dooku for obvious plot reasons, and the fact that ventress was never really a threat to him. Just saying if you look at actual results Obi-wan had fought and defeated more dark side force users in his time than any other jedi. And him fighting Sith from several thousand years before would have made no difference. Brute force doesn't get you anywhere with him and force lightning is useless because he knows how to counter it and his strength in the force matched Anakin's, chosen one or no. Sorry gotta stand up for my favorite jedi when he isn't getting the love he needs.
People say that Obi Wan is physically weak and his hits are like nothing but they forget he literally flipped anakin over multiple times with kicks and tore apart General Grievous's armour with his bare hands. Armour that was made from a very strong metal that can survive ship canons
To be fair though, you have to remember that Malgus is from an era where Jedi/Sith interactions were common, while Obi-Wan was not. That isn’t saying that Obi-Wan would win, but it is saying that somebody like Malgus wasn’t really a thought during Obi-Wan’s time, so his technique isn’t really flawed simply because somebody like Malgus can plow through it.
That being said though, rewatching this it is a great video!
I turn over the ruling and name Kenobi the victor through the rules of No-Shave-November! :D
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Antoine Bandele Beard powers.
Malgus isn't able to breathe forever without his respirator so I think if Obi-Wan defended himself long enough, Malgus wouldn't be able to breathe and would suffocate and/or would be killed by Obi-Wan.
If Obi-wan destroyed his respirator, Malgus would be short on breath because he struggles to breath without it thus making him tired giving Obi-wan opportunities that he would surely use.
+Brook Ten I agree entirely. If this damage to the respirator was done with a lightsaber, the respirator would be all but functional. Maybe Malgus would be able to breathe... a little. But the thing about humans (which both of these men are) is that we grow physically weak when we have even the slightest bit of a lack of oxygen. LITERALLY! AFTER SOMETHING LIKE 4 MINUTES, WE GET SOME BRAIN DAMAGE BECAUSE OF THE LACK IN OXYGEN. Look, all I'm saying is that after the respirator is destroyed, Obi-One maybe needs to defend himself for like 10 - 15 minutes until Malgus is so weak that he can barely swing his lightsaber. This whole "After the respirator is destroyed, Malgus gains fury and attacks stronger" bullshit would never happen. In fact, building fury and swinging harder would make him breathe more which would subtract from the time needed for Obi-One. I do agree, however, that Obi-One WOULD go for the respirator (I just think it would be more toward the beginning of the battle), because Obi-One is intelligent (which is what these videos forgot). Obi-One is much more intelligent and much more of a quick thinker than Malgus. Just like all the battles that Obi-One had in Episode III. All these Sith simply DON'T THINK! ESPECIALLY "DO-NOTHING-BUT-ATTACK" DARTH MALGUS. TRUE VERDICT: MALGUS WOULD BE EASILY OUT SMARTED AND WOULD DIE OF SUFFOCATION MINUTES AFTER THE BATTLE BEGAN. SORRY!
+Izil Dûr the question is, how will you penetrate a defense that is unbeatable combined in a tactical genious who uses evry opportunity to strike back with strikes that hit like a nuke? If malgus is what they said no master of any form it would lead to him getting fucked up by kenobi pretty easily in a swordfight. Kenobi can switch his style so fast and advanced that malgus would have to use force to stay alive a bit longer
+Brook Ten Malgus is known to be able to breathe without the respirator after a certain amount of time it would take a toll but short term it's doing nothing but making him more angry and thus though the dark side making him more powerful.
Obi-Wan beat the one and only chosen prospect of the Force itself. HOW THE BALLS IS THIS EVEN AN ARGUMENT! Shit!
*whew* There is so much thought and insight here. Well done!
Ya know.. I noticed that the people who do these videos seems to favor evil. If it takes you a thousand life times you will learn that brute force does not equal strength.
You sure? I've gotten a lot of crap for having light side folks winning. Especially this one:
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+Antoine Bandele Yes I am sure.. I have watched several of these and the attributes that tend to be favored above all others are predominantly evil/dark side orientated. In this latest video it was even stated that Obi Won was too much of the quintessential Jedi to win.. Which is a very odd/twisted thing to say... It implies a complete lack of faith in the strength of the Jedi/light in general. Ordinarily I would not comment at all being that I am under the impression that arguing over the capabilities of *fictional * characters * is an immature waste of time. However that particular comment struck a nerve as I felt it had real world significance. Meaning that everything in our culture seems to be shifting towards the darkside.. So with respect to the hypothetical nature of the subject matter at hand.. I still feel it is morally incumbent upon to voice my belief that aggression does not equal strength! Nor does it ensure victory.
You may be referring to a specific channel, not all.
I never said I was referring to all of them but now that you mention it.. These video's in general do seem to take on a dark undertone. However I was more or less referring to you and GreyJedi91 who is the one who actually made the comment I referred to earlier.
+matt Dailey This is because the Dark Side of the Force is more powerful than the Light. Also Sith Lords are statistically better fighters than Jedi Masters. You can only learn so much while being a Jedi. To break this glass ceiling and become a real bad ass you need the Dark Side. Even the red Sith swords are stronger than the blues and greens of the Jedi.
Awesome match-up and video! Loved it
:-D
Im almost certain if Kenobi had prepared for this fight he would have won, Malgus seems awfully stupid imo. Maybe a warlord but isn't that just through overwhelming strength and hes been defeated before by the slightest jedi throwing off his plans. Obi Wan was a general wasn't he? And if he was around during Malgus time he would have been a crucial turning point in this particular battle.
+Polyscape Artist Indeed, Obi-wan being who he is have cirtenly known how to fight opponents who rely on brute strength and especially as you point out, if Obi-wan was prepared for the fight, then he would deffinently have won.
He was only defeated by great jedis who were very powerful force wielders, unlike Obi-Wan that was not as powerful in using the force as the masters that had defeated Malgus
+Patricio Flores Garcia I'm saying as a battle strategist Obi Wan wins
+Ezra Faries its logic... malgus got a tunnel view and that makes him way to weak to kenobis tactical and fighting advantage. yes he could throw kenobi with the force but ultimately how can malgus win against kenobi, with kenobi knowing malguses weakness
+Paul Reuss exactly
jensaarai1 made this video bad 😂
Take a shot when you hear the word "tank"
Oh that's a game I'd want to play!
darth malgus versus darth vader would be an awesome versus, cyborg sith vs cyborg sith! keep up the awesome work guys
+George B. If Malgus defeats me he definitely defeats Darth Vader
Darth Malgus couldn't even defeat Anakin. And Obi did that.
comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/battle-misconceptions-obi-wan-vs-anakin/96986/
Josiah Townsend you are totally true about that
+Antoine Bandele here we go
+Antoine Bandele you should actually do a video on that. Just to clear it up
+Josiah Townsend Different people bring different outcomes...
Great video guys,very well analysed and the final battle couldn't have been better described.
Great work and you should do this again!
Thanks dood!
Think about this: malgus was insanely tanky, right? Take a grenade blast, survive a mountain, so forth. Even with the force with him, that's far, far, far (and many more fars) beyond humanly possible. Even with a force shield like his. I mean, surviving being shoved into a mountain so hard that you shatter it, and then surviving it collapsing on you? I think anyone could admit that that's far beyond realistic or possible. Even in fiction or with a force shield. Unless it's like, a dragon. Plus, Obi wan is way way way too inventive to go down that easily. The creators didn't even give him a chance to gain an environmental advantage, which is one of his signatures, that they spoke of. Neither did they actually give him a chance to parry like he did with grievous. Even though they spoke about that. Not to mention malgus's respirator, which, the two said gave malgus increased stamina and performance because of higher oxygen levels. And after that was crushed, they said it didn't slow him down at all. Which goes directly against what was said.
"if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Jessica Poggi Indeed.
I often wonder how far Kenobi would have had gone had he not gone into exile and had continued his combat studies, remember he was still relatively early on in his jedi career considering the age to which jedi remain active and physically capable. It is interesting to think how much he could have improved his offence and defence (more referring to the passive aggressive application which defiantly would have merited further study) with time and his connection to the living force would have only increased.
Alas fate intervened with the jedi purge but still, given his MASSIVE power spike during the clone wars, had that continued......
Well that would have been a sight to see
Very well done video. I love to watch these and debate. I agree with all the points for the most part. That being said, there is one thing I would have added to Obi Wans credit. I think in his fight against Magus, the negotiator would have sensed his tunnel vision, and used either the environment against Malgus or took the high ground like he did against Boob walker. H=Just my 10 cents =) Thank you very much for giving a E.U. fan something to still enjoy. (death to Disney they destroy all they touch now) Stay with E.U. Never give in...and may the force be with you ... Always.
I believe that Obi Wan would've defeated Malgus in a very similar way as he did Vader, eventually I believe that the broken, or deactivated respirator would've affected Malgus's stamina over time, especially if he would've continued to attack in the same manner as he usually does, this would make Malgus slower and, though barely, weaker and he would've given Kenobi the chance to deal the finishing blow.
It's an interesting possibility, but I believe Malgus would still break Obi-Wan's Force wall.
Oh, without a doubt, but I believe that Kenobi is a slightly better duelist than Malgus because when I see the way that Malgus fights, it reminds a lot about how Anakin would approach a fight and I believe that he, Kenobi, would notice this after sometime during their duel and would take reference to his duel with Pre-suit Vader and have an idea on what to do and what not to do. Basically, I believe that Obi Wan would outsmart him, though not easily, as he does in most of his duels by using mind games, taunting, using distractions that are covering even larger distractions to unbalance him. However, that is what I believe he would do. Also, I don't believe that Malgus's through would kill Kenobi because if he can take a hit from someone, General Grievous, who can make a dent in a starship and still comeback from it, I believe that he can take being thrown into a wall, or column. But that is my opinion.
Max Kogan Nah, Malgus is far more refined than Anakin. Anakin would never pull a move like Malgus did against Zallow. I don't see Anakin defending against Satale and chaining in Force attacks like Malgus did. Anakin is far more straight forward.
I beg to differ, Anakin has been shown to be able to defend against force attacks many times, off the top of my head, like when he took on a force blast from Ventress all while showing as if it took a slight bit of effort, and this happened while he was still a Padawan, imagine what he was capable of defending against when he was Darth Vader. Also, Anakin has had greater feats than Statele. Satele once force blasted a mountain to the point of collapsing, while Wnakin was able to defeat the Son and the Daughter, who were so strong with the force that they represented the light and dark side by himself, something that only the chosen one could do. Another example is when Anakin was able to make a building almost collapse using Force Scream.
Antoine Bandele No Anakin By episode 3 crushed dooku and was at his peak self
Great series. Love the Malgus videos.
Sadly i have to agree though i love kenobi and his approach to combat is proven effective it dose not seem like he could break malgus HOWEVER apon watching malguses duels it seems clear when he goes ape shit and unleashes he gets sloppy as all hell, i feel like there is potential for kenobi to cleave his legs or arms off if he counters effectively to malguses wide sweeps and cleaves, tell me if u agree or disagree?
Malgus' form is sloppy but effective, which is why I believe someone like Dooku would slice him up. But someone like Kenobi would have a hard time pressing an offensive.
I see your point but kenobi has been shown being precise in his strikes and malgus swings SUPER wide giving someone who can take the barrage (kenobi with his surisu) an opening so they could slip a slash under his gaurd? Regardless more times out of ten malgus wins i just wanted to know if u thought kenobi COULD win. Great video keep it up and btw lovin all the colabs:)
Darth Taters Oh hell yes Kenobi could win! I only give Malgus at 7/10 advantage.
Ya thats true well thanks for responding its super cool you actually interact with ur subscribers, good chat :)
Darth Taters For sure dude! Reti4 and I definitely try and respond as much as we can. I personally find it more enlightening to have discussion with you guys, rather than just leaving you a video and calling it a day.
I agree with the verdict, but MAKE UP YOUR MIND CONOR!!!
Either Kenobi is a Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi level Jedi that gets beaten solidly by Malgus, or...
He can beat Plagueis. You can't have both.
Also, if Kenobi can hold up against Pre Suit Vader and f*cking Grievous, then Malgus will never be able to break through his defences.
+Adam Martin-Tomko No point, that would be a Malgus slaughterhouse.
+Antoine Bandele i believe you should add more categories to your duels there are something you skip over or miss that could be important in a dual because it dose not fit into a category
you should add round 4 tactical ingenuity
+Joshua Kei That's mostly applied in Force and sabers so it's brought up when necessary.
fair enough
This is a beautiful video set up. More collaborations please!!
Jensaarai.....GET A NEW MIC OH MY GOODNESS
You underestimate Kenobi's power GREATLY.
Might I mention his durability feats in the clone wars? Keep in mind he was starved, tortured, deprived of the force and sleep. And had maggots feasting on his insides! He also managed to keep up with Anakin in terms of force abilities. Someone who has the HIGHEST mediclorian count in the SW universe. As for dueling, He held his own with Vader even at the age of 60. And managed to beat him on mustafar.
Other than that, Great video.
Kenobi' durability was mentioned several times. Said durability has no real defense against a Force grip.
But his force wall proven to be stronger than you all gave him credit for.
So many comments saying pretty much the same thing, and I agree, Kenobi is better at lightsaber combat, and even tho he can get pushed by Malgus, Malgus has never showed the ability to force choke someone like Kenobi, if it was that easy to force choke Kenobi, you would've think the chosen one, the best force user in history would've done it, and he wasn't able to do it, he even tried to force push Kenobi, and Kenobi managed to force push him equally, so the force abilities of Kenobi are very high even if his force wall isn't good vs surprise force attacks, he is not as weak as you guys made him out to be, Malgus is simply not on the same level as Dooku on his force abilities, Malgus can not go pass Kenobi's lightsaber defense, and Kenobi will get him tired and slowly wound him little by little even if his attacks won't do a bunch of damage vs Malgus, his stamina is much greater.
If Kenobi's force wall was stronger he would win thru attrition, but knowing he can get suprised and pushed strongly, I'd say, the moment Kenobi finally gets Malgus wounded enough is when Malgus will force push Kenobi and run, escaping the fight. No fighter will kill the other, but unless Malgus gets a bunch of those surprise force pushes on Kenobi (which he won't because Vader the chosen one, wasn't able to do it) then Kenobi will make Malgus retreat as Malgus will understand it is impossible for him to kill Kenobi.
for me I can see Obi-Wan winning this depending on two points; how fast he can learn Malgus's attacks and defense and how fast he can get the just amount of nit-picking attacks on Malgus to gibe him that slight edge during the battle before Malgus can launch a powerful assault that breaks his defense. If he can understand Malgus's strengths during just the first few swings once the battle begins or even anticipate it before the battle begins then he would have a better chance then now if only slightly.
And while Malgus can tank Obi-Wan's attack with ease, it still would stagger him if applied properly which would give Obi-Wan an edge in that field even more so if he uses that moment just to give another attack that would detract him and keep looking for those openings until He found a proper opening which would deal a fatal if not critical hit. Of course this will only work if he can deal with Malgus's attack but still it would work if he played it carefully. Other then that I do agree with you that Obi-Wan's passive nature would loose out to Malgus's aggressive nature if he prolonged it.
You completely forgot to mention Obi-Wan's ability to effect cybernetics so why could he not do that with Malgus's many cybernetics particular his breath mask, crippling him. Also Obi Wan held of a onslaught by Gerious who by any messure can hit harder and faster then Malgus.
Did you not watch the video? This was addressed in Obi-Wan's favor.
Kenobi deffited Drudge, Fet, Ventres, Savadge, Maul, Greevous and Vader ... Malagus can not deffited Kenobi, if Kenobi is weeker then you, then he will outsmart you and take the vistory ... Kenobi > Malagus.
Also Obi wan has the ability to "merge" with the force. His already insane speed that Malgus could not keep up with for long periods of time would increase. Enabling him put him on a whole different playing field. And even though Malgus has more strength than speed Obi wan has dealt with this same amount of strength. Like when he fought General Greivous who could dent a ship by punching its hull. Not to mention Greivous is 10x faster than Malgus while having similar strength that Obiwan could shrug off. In my opinion Obi wans dueling Abilities he with regards to his overall insane agility, speed. and defense more than makeup for his inability to defend against the force. And by giving into the force as he did with General Greivous lets him control the battlefield. Which I believe not only allows him to makeup for his dueling Abilities. You even admitted that Obi wan was better than all other Jedi excluding Yoda and Sidiouses. Yet you never mentioned mace windu. Because Mace Windu had defeated and would have killed Sidiouses if Anakin had not intervened. Plus the fact that he was able to become a force spirit and ascend beyond the physical plane being only achieved by 3 Jedi I have to say that when it comes to force Abilities they are on par. Physical abilities Malgus is on a completely different playing field. But dueling I believe that Obi wan utterly and completely would enable him to destroy Malgus in a pure light saber duel.
You sound dumb.
This is probably one of your best Star Wars versus vids...
Not one of my favorites (has a few holes) but thanks.
I reject! Obi wan manage to deflect all of grevious blows a feat that know othet jedi couldn't do. And not only that, take his hand off. Similar tactic Anakin did too dooku. Form 3 is not just a defensive form because it can also be used offensively, and follow up on form 5 counter offensive tactics. Obi wan can defeat malgus with the same tactics. Lets say he incapacitated malgus hand along with his lightsaber, and used it against him following up on jar kai. Malgus will have to fall back on his force abilities to ward him off. Malgus is overwhelming with the force, obi wan will use the environment(giant wall or drop a huge pillar on him for example) against malgus to gain the opposition and defeat him. And malgus does survive, obi wan wouldn't even hesitate to let him recover and go for the kill.
Brett Jackson If Obi-Wan could apply the same tactics against Malgus he would have done so against Anakin. It's hard to press a counter attack when you are being hammered down. It's a bit easier when someone is coming at you with pure speed (ala General Grievous).
Antoine Bandele Obi-Wan was holding back against Anakin during that fight. He had no desire to fight, and fought to extend the battle to try and win him over.
Mr Spectra: when obi wan first fought dooku he could have been killed during the first bout. Rest of his matches with dooku is when he had Anakin with him. Means that he wasn't strong enough to take on dooku by himself. Dooku took on grevious and made him look like a low rate duelist. Due to the fact that dooku is not just a form 2 specialist, but also a form 4&6 due to his training with Yoda. But as the battles grew so did obi wan fighting experience, he took sa'vage and maul twice and survived once with asajj and by himself, even cut sa'vage arm in the duel against him and maul using jar kai. But at a certain point of time his skills has never surpass dooku. But he was getting better with experience. During his final bout with dooku, he still was outmatch by him. Until Anakin use force rage to press the advantage on dooku and beat him. Obi wan wasn't the best duelist on the jedi order, he was keen thinker and hardworker! His mind and experience became his only asset to surviving bouts. Form 3 was his answer to every bout, and built a offense base on it. By adding principles from form 4 which he manage to cut grevious hand twice(with form 2 economy of motion) during his duel. But despite everything else, obi wan is a accomplish jedi.
Look how dooku fights! Look how he chains his force abilities to his lightsaber sequences. That's evidences enough. You know who his master is right? And I'm not talking about sidious
Um obi one ant beat duko in both movies he was beet remember
excelent job guys,i m from bosnia and herzegovina and you have fans even there.keep up the good work
Awesome :-D
i also think that malgus would win sadly...also this was done very well it was like watching it in a movie lol
Hah thanks. We both thank you.
A great video well done Jensaari and Antoine. By the way I think a good matchup would be Darth Zannah versus Obi-wan kenobi - a battle of the soresu masters. Just a suggestion though well done again :)
TheGamingEnthusiast I think that would be a good match up too.
Antoine Bandele
Oh Thanks :)
By analizing abilities you do that veredict
You don't realize that Obi Wan, always win in situations with overpowered opponents and he always see a way to break through the opponent
That's why he is a genious with the force, Obi Wan win over Darth Malgus, in my opinion.
By stadistic Malgus would win, but i believe a 100% in Obi Wan's skills.
Obi-Wan usually wins by PIS.
Antoine Bandele what is PIS?
Angilberto9720 Plot Induced Stupidity.
hahahaha ok
Antoine Bandele uh dude everbody in Star Wars ussually wins by plot though.
Easily the most interesting duel you guys have done. There are so much aspects to simply them dueling and I think you guys have ellaborated nicely on everything. Very well done. I agree 100% with this. Satele only won because she overpowered him with some insane force abillities which Obi-wan lacks. Malgus is just perfectly geared to outlast obi-wan. Not overpower or outduel just out last. Very good job! I really liked!
Satele was trained as a jedi consular like Yoda so yeah she had amazing force tactics.
I think the only way to outmatch Lord Malgus is by using more superior force powers.
TheSunStudio1 Agreed. One tactic against Malgus would be to break his immense Force barrier.
Antoine Bandele
And even then, I'm not so sure Shan would have gotten the opportunity to survive long enough to do that without a minor distraction like a republic trooper rushing him and a grenade blown up in his face!
Jeffrey Shapiro Ye it was a fortunate situation for her. But she had the power to play into that and end it. Obi wan wouldn't have been able to do that.
Jeffrey Shapiro Shan just got knighted and Malgus was already a Sith Lor. If it's the Jedi Master Shan from Fatal Alliance, she will crush Malgus in seconds!
WRONG
Why do you think so?
+TheNuisanceBird because obi wan could just cut off the mask
+Luke Brogan He hasn't elevated his offensive capabilities to the point where he could get passed Malgus's guard.
+TheNuisanceBird whyyyy... malgus is no master at soresu and weak to physical strikes with a tunnel view... this is his weakness and obi wans biggest strength, his mind counters this extremely hard. Kenobi could simply use a force push or telekinesis into malguses face when he isnt expecting it and the sith lord would fall faster than the 3 jedi vs siddius
+Paul Reuss Kenobi isn't strong enough as a Force user to penetrate Malgus's defenses.
Y'all produced a very well written and comprehensive presentation. However, I feel that you seriously understated Obi Wan's ability to call upon and utilize the Force. As stated in the Novelization of Revenge of Sith, Obi Wan was able to use to force to make him much, much stronger than his opponent could reasonable be prepared to meet. Example: He grabbed one of Grevious' Duraplast armored arms and bent it like a cheap spoon. He could apply that tactic on Malgus to fracture bones and rupture muscles and organs. It is not inconceivable that Obi Wan, with his force augmented strength and speed could overcome Malgus' armor and defense or he could grab both sides of Malgus' head, twist it the side and fracture Malgus' neck like a dried out stick.
He then could drop Malgus' dead body to the floor and take up fighting other enemies in the attack. True this is not a typical Jedi move, but Obi Wan was not know for using typical Jedi combat techniques. Obi Wan killed Darth Maul, defeated and critically wounded Darth Vader, and destroyed General Grevious. Obi Wan had the knowledge, abilities, and powers to defeat Darth Malgus. It would not be ease, of course, but it could be done and the Jedi who could defeat and kill Malgus was Obi Wan Kenobi. Remember what Yoda said, the Dark Side of the Force is NOT stronger than the light side, just easier to learn and master. It is like going down a mountain to reach the bottom vs climbing the mountain to reach the top. The Sith, including Malgus, have one fatal flaw in their make up, they are arrogant and that is why they (by a large amount) lose to the Jedi eventually.
plus, if obi wan would be pressed enough, which he undoubtedly would, he would just use force repulse and blast malgus apart like he did with durge
Wait he can’t take on a tank but he takes on a 4 arm droid that has the strength of a hulk
Grievous is NOWHERE NEAR Hulk.
WTF are you smoking?
Thanks guys for the match up
Andrew Sinclair You're welcome Andrew. Hope you enjoyed.
I first want to say I did enjoy this video and that I hope i'm not taking too much from you guys, but I do not agree with this outcome. I think it was a good video, but I think it would be Kenobi winning most of the time. Like 5.5/4.5 results. Why the half's? Because no one walks out of a fight uninjured. Here is my opinion on what I think would happen and I'm gonna compare these guys to be fair.
Malgus: Yes its true he has a lot of WAR time under his belt. He has killed many Jedi and Rebulic troopers. Malgus is a tank in force power, he has powerful telekinetic attacks, and lighting, along with a lightsaber throw. His physical abilities are quite impressive for him to be a powerhouse along with decent speed to make him a well fit warrior. His cybernetics enhance his abilities and stamina, he is also a good duelist in Lightsaber ability. Malgus's Lightsaber style is also unorthadoxed which can be a surprise for most Jedi. Malgus has faced some pretty impressive foes at his time. He and his Master lead the Sith empire into battle with one of his first Jedi opponents being a Jedi Master Combat Instructor Darach ( Darach to me fought more like a Jedi Maul because he was offensive and engaged.) and at the time Jedi Shan ( Her skills were not at a heighten point yet she was still an apprentice.) and bested them both, Malgus overpowered and killed Darach in his rage and tunnel vision. His next battle would be with Master Shan at the battle of Alderaan. Their battle was intense and he was able to keep up with her speed and even cut her saber in half, but again he got tunnel vision and didn't focus on his surroundings resulting with a grenade to explode in his face and then being force pushed into the side of a mountain and have it crush him by the force. how is this helping Malgus? Although he didnt win that battle, he is pretty skilled in lightsaber combat to keep up with Shan, had enough physical power to survive a grenade, and enough force power to live through a rock slide. This tells you how powerful this guy can be. but just because he kept up with Shan doesnt mean he is faster than Obi Wan. His other victory was outwitting Zen Zallow another Jedi Master ( He fought more like Qui Gon Jinn ) when he went to sack the Jedi Temple. Zen and Malgus both fought in an impressive lightsaber duel, but Malgus's unothadoxed style outwitted Zen Hallow and the Jedi fell to defeat, and his last accomplishment was he sacked the freaking Jedi temple. Malgus has had an interesting/successful combat career and he is defiantly someone to be recognized as a real Sith Lord.
Obi Wan Kenobi: Yes its true this legend has had less War time than Malgus, but that doesnt mean his only combat experiences were the Naboo incident and Clone wars ( though thats where he gets most of it ), but for what he lacks in time he made up for in the caliber of warriors he faced in that time frame. Obi Wan Kenobi was a prodigy child with much potential and promise from a young age, he did many missions before the Naboo incident and Clone wars. However onto his Combat experience. His first main victory that granted him knighthood was against the fierce Sith Warrior Darth Maul at first he battled Maul with his Master Qui Gon Jinn ( A Jedi Master ), but later saw Maul impale Jin leaving only Obi Wan and Maul. At the time Maul was the superior duelist, but somehow Obi Wan was able to keep up in his Ataru form, but his lack of force abilities left him open to Mauls force power, but somehow by luck Obi Wan was able to defeat Maul. His other impressive battles were with Former Jedi Master/ Sith Lord Count Dooku in episode 2 he took on yet another superior duelist with his Makashi and precision and fought the Count for a little bit, but was defeated and was about to be finished off. Yet again his life was luckily saved by his apprentice Anakin. ( Side Note: Do you notice a pattern here when Obi Wan faces off with superior opponents he has luck on his side, or the will of the force.) Its not really well known, but after his defeat by Dooku, Obi Wan began training with Kit Fisto ( Another Jedi Master ) in a better practice of swordplay and eventually bested Kit Fisto. Obi Wan also fought on multiple occasions the apprentice of Count Dooku, Ventress. ( She was as skilled as a Jedi Knight ) and bested her on most occasions in both force abilities and lightsaber combat. Obi Wan also took on again Darth Maul and his brother Savage Opress ( The duo was deadly for even Master Jedi levels ) and he defeated them into a retreat after dispatching Opresse's arm. Near the end of the Clone wars Obi Wan Kenobi Fought with Count Dooku again and started to best him in Lightsaber combat making the Count result to force abilities to hold Kenobi at bay. his improved swordsmanship and force abilities kept him alive to this point and he was so in tune with the force that when he was able to fight General Grevious ( The Jedi Hunter his danger rating defiantly a master level ) on not only multiple occasions through the war, but out classed his unorthadox style at 20 strikes per second and still manage to dodge and parry off his hands it was like he had force battle mediation. He again was almost going to die by Grevious, who had endless endurance and more strength, but Obiwans endurance, resilience, and luck provided him a way to win. Over all his many impressive battles with high caliber foes was Obi Wan facing off with Darth Vader on Mustafar ( Side note: Not only was Anakin a powerful force user at this time, but his speed, aggression, and combat skill was also unmatched if he could get the better of Dooku in lightsaber contest. As well as sack the Jedi Temple with clones and killed many Jedi as well like Malgus) Yet Obi Wan Kenobi was able to defeat Vader in lightsaber contest and go toe to toe with him in a force struggle. His last, but highly impressive note was him becoming one with the force during his final duel with a more powerful Darth Vader. He never died just went to another plain of existence.
My point in bringing up these battles each has been in is that Malgus though he may be a way good fighter and deadly warrior, Obi Wan Kenobi has taken on a number of High caliber duelist that are on Masterful levels of skill. Obi Wan also seems to have experience, tactical awareness of his soundings to create luck on his side, and also enough trust in the force to be moved through it and even become one with it. My question is what does Malgus bring to the table that Obi Wan has not fought yet? My answer. Nothing at all. Kenobi has fought the agility of Maul. The Skill and Percision of Dooku. The Speed, Power, and hatred of Vader. The augmentation enhancement for endless endurance, unorthadoxed skill, and cybernetic 20 strikes per second by Grevious. Obi Wan is indeed the perfect swordsman for Malgus.
The battle: This battle would mainly be a lightsaber duel between the two. Malgus would attack the Jedi temple with sith empire and Obi Wan and Commander Kody and his clone battalion would be there to meet him in the mist of battle. Malgus would first attack Kenobi with a brutal and fast barrage of attacks while Kenobi would be on the defensive blocking and dodging the tyrants forcing attack with his impenetrable defensive skill. The result would be Malgus becoming furious and presses on his attack with more anger and rage, this challenges Kenobi to put more effort into his Soresu form and give him less time to look for a weakness in Malgus. As Malgus presses on his attack Obi Wan dodges the unothadoxed swings and finally sees his opening. Malgus's respirator. Kenobi manages to parry an attack from Malgus and strike the Sith lords breathing mechanism for it to fail. Now enraged Darth Malgus uses force lighting on Kenobi to surprise him, but to Malgus's surprise Obi Wan blocks it with his lightsaber and absorbs the lighting. Angry Malgus uses a heavy force push to knock Kenobi back into a wall. As Kenobi hits the wall and falls to the ground injured he sees the Sith Lords lightsaber being tossed at him. With just enough reflex Kenobi manages to dodge out of the way and regain his pose, but soon after the Sith Lord uses force choke to grab Kenobi and hurl him into a pillar. As Obi Wan hurls toward the pillar he uses force repulse to lessen the impact of his throw, but still hits the pillar with force. Obi Falls from the pillar and hits the ground. However with his resiliency Obi Wan Kenobi Manages to stand up and get back into his Soresu form. Malgus seeing this becomes so enraged he has a focused tunnel vision only on Kenobi. The Sith Lord ignites his Red Lightsaber and leaps toward Kenobi. Kenobi seeing the Sith Lord leaping for him in the sky decides to take the offense and manages to do a force push to knock the Sith Lord back and make him go off balanced. This gives Kenobi enough time to prepare for another onslaught of Malgus raged attacks. The Sith Lord does so and lashes out at Kenobi with all his might pushing Kenobi back toward a ledge, with a mighty kick he manages to connect with Kenobi and knock him off the edge. As Kenobi drops his lightsaber he hangs onto the edge for dear life. Malgus looks down at the Jedi and begins to taunt him as Maul did and strike the edge creating sparks so Kenobi would let go and fall to his death. While Malgus is doing this taunt Commander Kody however would actually sneak up and begin firing his blaster at Malgus. Malgus turns and deflects the shots back to Kody knocking the trooper down. However during that brief encounter along with Kenobi's luck and pure trust in the force he manages to pull and leap over Malgus with surprising speed. Malgus in disbelief from the resolve of this Jedi's resilience and Swordsmanship skills, Kenobi has his lightsaber back in his hand already Ignited as Malgus feels a incredible burn then numbness across his torso. He has been cut in half. Malgus drops his mighty weapon and falls over the edge in two. Obi Wan Kenobi limps away from the battle and helps Commander Kody up as the Sith forces retreat from the Jedi temple. The Negotiator has prevented War from continuing.
This is only my opinion on how I think this fight would go, but I hope you enjoyed the story at least. If I sounded a little bias my bad, but it is what it is. Obi Wan had the Sword Skill, He had enough Tactical opportunities, Endurance, Resiliency, Force powers, and Luck to win this fight and live on to fight Darth Vader. In my opinion Darth Vader would be Obi Wan Kenobis greatest fight. Vader would kill Malgus.
You two should do this more often you guys went really in detail about stuff even I didn't know about magus five star revwiew keep up the good work
Alex Rodriguez Thanks. Our next collab should be complete soon.
no, you are wrong.
First off comparing characters in Star Wars to characters conceived later is foolish as the entertainment industry drives the writers to constantly one-up themselves for force power use and lightsaber use. The prequels and video games have only built more and more upon the foundation of minor telekinesis and waving around a laser sword shown in the 70's.
fighting ability is not comparable because the media and special effects technology as well as imaginative employment of Jedi and Sith ability CONSTANTLY expands. Of COURSE characters created later will win!
Great video!
Thanks.
Anytime
I disagree with the verdic for these reason:
1.You both were heavily biased in Malgus's favour
2.Malgus IS capable of getting angry you know....
3.I have a feeling that the fight would purely be a contest of skill in combat,and with Obi Wan being a high general in the Clone Wars,he would have the edge in tactical and lightsaber skill.
This is just my opinion :)
i like how you do the character vs character is well done and don't seem to let much bias into the reasoning like many would. will you ever do any ancient sith lords or jedi vs or force users who aren't considered jedi or sith?
Thank you sir! I try to stay as unbiased as possible.
most people i've seen generally just say sidiuos because sidious or some such when from what I've read about him and other sith their are some others who seem like they could be a match up too him the primary problem is sidious has more information out about him while many others don't have as much. so its hard to build a argument for them to match against him for the most part
Given that Jen regards Malgus as superior to Dooku as a combatant (a verdict that I strongly disagree, I believe Dooku to be stronger than Malgus), it's no surprise to see him believing that Malgus is superior Obi Wan as well.
I am inclined to say that Kenobi is slightly superior to Malgus with the saber, given that his knowledge of Soresu is sufficient to block Malgus' brutal assault. And while Malgus might be a tank, he is not invincible in regards to stamina. Kenobi's form should be more than sufficient to eventually tire Malgus out.
But adding force abilities to the equation, then it becomes no contest. Kenobi is shown to be weak against TK and that is what Malgus excels at. Even during his final battle at the Emperor's station, his force push was so powerful that one blast sent the entire strike team flying across the chamber.
So while I agree with the verdict, I disagree with your evaluation of their dueling as I feel that Kenobi is slightly superior. If Kenobi gets any sort of advantage in their lightsaber duel, Malgus resorts to the force and dominates Kenobi.
I actually agree with you that Dooku is a superior combatant to Malgus (in regards to the blade).
The reason Kenobi is not superior to Malgus is because Malgus' defense could hold out on Kenobi's offense. Kenobi's defense holds up against Malgus' offense. But Malgus' sustainability and effectiveness gives him a slight edge.
Antoine Bandele I think the thing with Dooku and Malgus is yes Dooku is superior with a blade, but Malgus is better at combat over-all.
I agree that Kenobi objectively is more skilled with a blade than Malgus but in reference to each other, I don't think Malgus would tire out before he could penetrate Kenobi's defense either with a grapple and beat-down or with raw-force power. I think Kenobi's only chance after reviewing the evidence would be Sokan.
GreyFensir Wulf Just like Jen said. Either you beat Malgus quick or not at all. Dooku's MO was to end his fights quickly. His fighting style was not geared around wars of attrition. He went around your guards as quickly as possible. I think that's what would happen with Malgus. He could stab or slash around Malgus' guard.
Antoine Bandele
Yes he possibly could but Malgus would realize Dooku's swordsmanship before too long and could probably over-power him or blade lock and turn it into a beat-down. Dooku can make physical attacks as well, and resist such things, but against a highly skilled rhino like Malgus i think he would simply be over-whelmed by his uncompromising brutality. Mikashi is also weak against power attacks and though Dooku has compensated for this weakness in general but power and ferocity is still the most effective tool to overwhelm him, which is how Anakin defeated him and a method that Malgus is geared for, while probably being an even more experienced Duelist than Anakin was.
Of Kenobi is able to take out his respirator, would he not be able to take out his throat?
Kenobi would win because plot.
That is often his greatest ally.
Great analysis and video! Just one thing though: didn't Malgus have severe damage to his lungs, thus requiring his respirator? If so, I feel that there is at least a moderately good chance that Kenobi could beat Malgus by breaking it, similar to the 2nd fight between Batman and Bane in the Dark Knight Rises. What do you think?
One of my least favorite videos from you man, you let Jensaarai1's bias seep into you.
Agreed.
Agreed.
100% agree. I love Malgus as a character. But that guy was such a fan boy I think he doesn't believe Malgus could ever be beaten.
Jeff Collins Maybe but malgus really does win
Oh don't get me wrong. I never said I think Obi-Wan wins but man this was cringe-worthy.
I felt like Obi Wan had the edge on lightsaber dueling, he could just stall for many minutes and wait for Malgus to do an error and hit him on the weak spot when the time was right. He would also use his invironment to his advantage.
I agree wholeheartedly with this conclusion. While Kenobi's Sokan training could prove effective against an opponent with tactical tunnel vision, like Malgus and famously Anakin, the fundamental difference between Skywalker (At that stage in his life) and Malgus is that Skywalker's rage fueled offensive was nothing more than a purely instinctual response to his psychology and combat preferences; it lacked any tactical refinement because Vader had yet to attain the wisdom, grit, and experience of a true Sith Warrior.
Malgus's may seem outwardly crude, but that is only because he has eliminated all the fluff from his technique. He's not overcome by rage; rage is a path he has chosen consciously and carefully time and time again, and so he has attuned all of his other combat skills to work around the disadvantages of it.
Where as Anakin lacked the toughness to deal with the mistake he made in his duel with Kenobi, a brief opening is nowhere near enough of a gap in defense to stop Malgus's assault; you either kill Malgus, cripple him beyond repair, or he kills you. But a mistake on Kenobi's end, however minor, would be the nail in the coffin against someone wielding as much sheer destructive might as Darth Malgus. Obi-Wan's lackluster defense against force powers is that weakness, and the moment Malgus breaks through it, the fight is all over.
Plus Obi's Form 3 has a huge disadvantage! Once his defense got overloaded, he simply has nothing to offer! Obi's offence(mastery of Form 4) was highly overrated! No one considered him as 'A master of Ataru'(a title that Qui Gon owned with ease).
I would maintain Obi-Wan's mastery of Ataru, based on his first duel with Darth Maul, who was forced to resort to his force powers to defeat Kenobi.
Maul had just defeated Qui-Gon Jin, a known Ataru master, and the fact that Obi-Wan, not yet knight and nowhere near his peak, was able to drive Maul onto his back foot is no mean feat. And while Maul still won (He only got cut in half because his arrogance got the better of him), he had to make use of the Force (Which he almost always avoids doing unless he has absolutely no choice) AND an unusual environmental element to do so.
You could make the argument that Maul was exhausted, but remember the laser doors created not one, bur two significant breaks in the conflict, and gave each combatant time to rest.
In conclusion, it is possible that Obi-Wan was the best swordsman to fight in the Duel of Fates, and that if the contest was fought on a different venue, he may have come out on top and slain Maul outright. That Obi-Wan was even capable of fighting Darth Maul on his own is a testament to his skill; Darth Maul killed several renowned lightsaber masters and was instructed by Darth Sidious himself.
Ataru was the only form Kenobi made use of at the time, so I think it's safe to say that his mastery of it, while nowhere near that of, say, Dooku's mastery of Form II, is fairly complete in it's own right, since he remained a deadly swordsman using it and nothing else.
Isaac Taylor
Take that as a dark rage amp my friend, just like how Anakin outdueled Dooku in EP3. Obi got ragdolled and wounded few times by the resurrected Maul in TCW both with or without the help of Asajj Ventress! This clearly proofed that if his defense ever getting overloaded, he will simply has nothing to offer! This also showed that TCW Obi was still not as powerful as EP1 dark side rage amped Obi or 'A true master of Ataru' like Qui Gon Jinn.
Same feat happened with Mace Windu, another overrated Jedi, who outdueled Sidious marginally with the dark side amp from Vaapad but was unable to outduel Dooku what so ever in the Battle of Boz Pity just 5 months before EP3!(Official comic: Star Wars Obsession) In fact, Windu was also unable to outduel SOD Maul fast even with the help of Jedi Knight Aayla Secura in Disney's official comic: Son of Dathomir(An event most likely happened just a year before EP3).
TheSunStudio1 What evidence do you have to suggest Obi-Wan was empowered by dark rage; being under duress alone will not automatically trigger dark rage.
The fact that Maul outdid Obi-Wan with the force was never in question; the fact that he never outdid Obi-Wan without resorting to force powers is the important fact when examining his skill as a duelist.
And the fact that Obi-Wan has been defeated via force powers doesn't prove that he's helpless when his defense is overrun. In fact, this statement doesn't really make sense.
Each time Obi-Wan has been put down permanently by Telekinesis, it defeated him outright. How do you expect him to then mount a offensive front, if he's unconscious or disarmed?
Ans suppose Telekinesis DOESN'T bring him down, and he gets right back up and goes back to stonewalling his opponent. Well, in that case his defense hasn't failed at all.
You're essentially saying that when Obi-Wan is defeated, he is defeated, and therefore he has no offensive prowess. The conclusion here is completely non sequitur.
The reason that Obi-Wan doesn't often shift into Ataru is because he so rarely has to. In fact, I can't think of many instances in which Obi-Wan has actually been out fenced; defeated without the use of force powers.
As for TCW, if you're referring to the fight between Kenobi, Maul, and Savage, I recall that Kenobi was coming out on top of that fight; he was capably defending against both opponents on his own, and crippled Oppress. I can't imagine he would have had trouble taking on the lone Darth Maul if was able to handle him when he had backup.
It's true that this fight again illustrates Kenobi's weak force barrier, but neither of the force pushes employed by Maul in this fight put Kenobi down for the count; after the first, he got right back up and sliced of Savage's arm, and the second one didn't appear to phase him that much more.
Assuming that Obi-Wan was empowered by the dark side in episode 1 seems like a baseless claim. It's never mentioned that he was, he never uses that power again, his movements remained controlled and graceful, and later when he does begin to draw on his rage against Maul, in the four way fight that involved Ventress, it only serves to unbalance him.
As for Windu, that's a completely different conversation. I will say that Windu is anything but overrated. I haven't read the comics you're talking about, but losing a duel against Darth Tyranus, one of the greatest Lightsaber masters of the era, certainly doesn't demonstrate a lack of skill.
TheSunStudio1 UPDATE: So I did some research on the topic of Windu, and I can't find any source that ever showcased a decisive bout of swordplay between Dooku and Windu alone. I would not put it past Dooku to defeat Mace in a duel, but I wouldn't deny the reverse either. Again, I'm not sure how you would call a Jedi on par with Count Dooku overrated.
A review well thought out and with which I agree. My only gripe is when it's stated that Obi-Wan "parried" Grievous' hand. What with having some experience with fencing myself, it seemed to me more a case where Grievous attacked, Kenobi dodged, and cut Grievous' hand off in that resultant opening. It's a nitpick in terms of words, I just think "parry" is the wrong word to describe it, more of just classic Kenobi capitalising on openings his opponents provide. Great video though!
FrozenFire55 Thank you!
I've never been so happy to be wrong.
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Kenobi is the perfect Jedi to take Malgus on. Just like Anakin, Malgus is all about full-frontal assaults. A defense-oriented Jedi is the perfect counterbalance to Darth Malgus, who is basically a mix of Dooku and Vader. If it was old Kenobi, he would lose. But young EPIII Kenobi? No, he'd actually win, or at least have a draw with Malgus.
ok guys we all know that when malgus unleashes his full sith fury Kenobi would simply dodge at the last second simply pivot around malgus while he is in the air lunging forward and strike for his leg below the knee and if successful leave battle scared for life
It's over Malgus, I have the high ground!
Very well analysed and compared. As much as we all love Obi-Wan, there's really no question that his offence simply isn't enough for Malgus :( ; great job anyway guys - really enjoying all the collabs! :)
This vid just proofed that even the absolute best defense can be overloaded. Lord Malgus for the win!
Thanks! I know! Expect more collaborations between all four of us in the future (Evan, Jen and Reti).
Proofed lol
Antoine Bandele I think if Obi Wan had considerable armor like Malgus he would definitely stand a chance. If obi wan can beat foes like count dooku, mace windu, assaj ventress, general grievous, the bounty hunter durge, darth maul, savage opress, darth vader himself, and even mandalorian warriors such as jango fett, and pre vizla. I also see that the makers of star wars make the expanded universe characters seem more powerful, than characters in the movies or tv shows, merely to show how powerful the force really is. In my opinion Obi wan definitely has a better chance at beating Malgus as you say. This is just my opinion though, and I think you did a brilliant job on the fight though.
Spencer Payne Obi Wan never could beat Count Dooku or Mace Windu. In fact, he couldn't even beat TCW Maul.
Nice video guys u guys are experts about those 2 and I agree 100%.
I don't claim to be an expert. I am simply a fan with opinions.
But about the edges u gave those 2
All hail Lord Malgus! All hail Lord Malgus! All hail Lord Malgus!
All hail!
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Can't wait to see the next fight!
Oh shoot I forgot to put the preview for next fight after the end credits. Oh well, I suppose it'll be a surprise then lol.
Antoine Bandele
Alright, then. ;)
Very good description of the fight!! I actually felt the adrenaline when you were describing how both used their tactics. But... I think Obi Wan would had won. Why? Simply by understanding that Malgus wouldn't had lasted very long without his respirator. Yes, Malgus would had been pissed, and he would had brought rain fire on Obi Wan. But as the master of Soresu, Malgus would just had tired out in a few minutes, allowing Obi to use his surroundings and eventually winning.
I'm laughing at all of these whiny Obi-Wan fans who think he should have won.
I'm laughing because Malgus beating me is such a ridiculous prospect.
obi-wan's greatest feat was his tactical prowess that made him owned most of his advarsaries.
Obi Wan would win against Malgus.
There is no way Malgus could win against such a powerfull Jedi like Obi Wan.
Kenobi isn't THAT POWERFUL!!
10:42 guys don't you remember what yoda said in the empire strikes back size or wheight maters not in force and in life all things are equal no mater how big or how small
Obi-Wan robbed of a dueling edge smh
I agree 100%.
Hey man, seeing all the people who think that you were influenced by Jensaarai, I believe this conclusion was perfect. While Kenobi is very strong, Malgus was born in war, molded by it, he is a tank and a veteran. Obviously Kenobi is great but Malgus wins ofc. I support this vid xD
I keep coming back to this video when i think of great conclusions to VS matches
I especially like the blend of Narrative and Analytic commentary in the end scenario
Thanks DB.
+Antoine Bandele can you do one with darth nilihus?
I think if Obi-Wan can outduel Grievous's droid powered 20 blows per second without his lightsaber arm folding he can certainly best Malgus as a duelist. I understand Malgus is physically enhanced by both the dark side and his cybernetics but Obi-Wan could move fast enough to parry/dodge 20 lightsaber attacks from four directions at once in the Revenge of the Sith novel. To me that means by the time he hit his "prime" as you guys call it he would be able to dance circles around Malgus as a duelist. The only reason we don't see this in his fight vs Vader is the entire fight he is struggling emotionally with the concept of killing his best friend, a struggle he lost and it cost the Jedi order dearly.
I also firmly believe that as he did with Anakin, Obi-Wan would be able to goad Malgus into doing something stupid that could expose a weakness. Malgus was just as arrogant and self righteous as Anakin despite each being considered the quintessential war hero of their era.
I also think you have to give Obi-Wan a bit more credit on his defense against Force abilities as he would have no doubt grown from each experience being manhandled by Dooku. A Jedi as humble as Obi-Wan I can imagine seeking guidance on how to deal with those manner of attacks through meditation or counsel with Windu or Yoda. I think by his prime his defenses could handle a force choke attempt, or at least combat it by using the same technique he employed against Anakin to rupture something mechanical on Malgus's suit.
Jedi Infiltrator It's not an issue of Obi-Wan being able to defend Malgus' assault. There is nothing Malgus could do with a saber that could penetrate Kenobi. This match is not determined by a lightsaber strike, it would be determined by the Force.
In terms of your thoughts on Obi-Wan's goading. I would actually agree, but Malgus has showcased that he is a tactical and intelligent fighter. He wouldn't go for any of Obi-Wan's tricks like Pre-Suit Vader did.
Malgus wasn't really all that arrogant. He definitely knew he was powerful and did not mind displaying his power, but he was not needlessly egotistical. He enjoyed being a Sith, he enjoyed battle, he enjoyed rage. Most of all, he enjoyed killing Jedi. And he was very good at doing it.
If the Jedi Order survived pass Revenge of the Sith I would have no doubt that Obi-Wan would have mustered up a more powerful barrier. But these versus videos do not work in "what ifs" or "what could have been." We observe what a character shows us. In the case of Obi-Wan, he has a weak Force barrier. That has been evident from his days as a padawan all the way up to his tenure on the Jedi council. When it came to substantial Force users (and even not so substantial ... i.e. Dooku and Maul) he did not hold a strong Force barrier. And it makes sense. To achieve such a mastery with Soresu, all of his focus was dedicated to his physical blade guard, not his metaphysical one.
I think your perception of Obi-Wan's prime is a what if. Primes are not a what-if. It is what's presented to us. There are no feats that suggest Obi-Wan has a significant Force barrier.
I have opinions too, but I usually like to back them up with information from the lore. It usually makes my opinion a bit stronger.
Antoine Bandele I would argue that force choke has more to do with catching one by surprise rather than one's force barrier. It also has to do with maximizing one's rage, typically due to an external factor. The only time Malgus uses force choke to kill is against an unnamed Jedi knight or padawan (it isn't determined which only that it was likely not a master as most of the masters were either at the peace negotiations on Alderaan or otherwise defending Republic interests) during the sacking of the Jedi temple. He killed this Jedi instantly with choke after Zallow wounded Eleena. He also uses it twice more in that novel, against a Jedi named Alara, whose hand he severed before grabbing her throat with the force and slamming her into the ground, and again against Adraas whose arm he severs before briefly force choking him before physically choking him death. Using these three examples, the latter two have experienced a major disconnection to the force as well as a loss of concentration before he employs the choke. The only argument about force barriers here is that the unnamed Jedi he outright killed must have had a truly woeful barrier as he died instantly. If Kenobi is at all comparable to this Jedi then Malgus would merely crush him with a choke rather than waste time dueling him.
I would further back the point about choke being a surprise tactic rather than a force barrier tactic by stating that Savage Opress manages to choke both Ventress and Dooku simultaneously. Ventress also manages to choke both Anakin and Obi-Wan simultaneously. Both of these instances involve the choker being at full rage after being made a fool of and the receiver being surprised by the move. However neither instance caused any of the receivers any permanent harm. So unless your argument is that all four of these combatants have extremely weak force barriers, particularly Dooku being choked by a novice like Opress, then I think I can fairly argue that Obi-Wan, unless he suffers a major injury like a loss of a limb can avoid the death you described in this video.
If you had said Malgus had caught Kenobi with a blast of lightning after knocking his blade aside I would be more inclined to agree as numerous times during this novel he manages to kill, or stun long enough to be able to kill Jedi with lightning and while Obi-Wan was skilled with Tutaminis he is never shown absorbing lightning without his lightsaber.
Lol buthurt kenobi fanboys
+Elias Johnson but tunnelvision wouldnt matter right because its a 1 on 1 fight?
again awesome versus match I got a suggestion can you make a versus series between Darth Vader against Darth Vitiate a.k.a the Sith Emperor please
Antoine Bandele Great collab!
I have a few ideas for a few versus videos
Count Dooku vs Starkiller
Darth Malgus vs Starkiller
Wolf Sazen vs Asaaj Ventress
Or for your team battles
Aayla Secura and Quinlan Vos vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress
I like that team battle.
I realize that you are probably already have a lot of versus videos lined up, but I have an idea for a match that I think would be interesting: Plo Koon versus Count Dooku. I had the idea for this fight when I considered that it has often been said that the only members of the order capable of defeating Dooku in a contest of swordsmanship were Mace Windu and Yoda. Then I considered, that in my view, Plo Koon is one of the most refined masters of Djem So, of his era, A form that Count Dooku's Makashi would be weak against.Of course I realize that mastery of Djem So alone is not enough to defeat the likes of Count Dooku but I am still rather curious how these two would stack up against each other if they ever crossed blades. I hope you will take this idea for a match into consideration. I love your Videos by the way.
It's a misconception that *Dooku* is weak to Djem So. Yes, inherently Makashi is weak against kinetic attacks but Dooku had no trouble defending against strong attacks (ie his many duels with Anakin, his fights with Grievous, fight with Savage Oppress, fight with Sora Bulq etc.)
The reason Dooku lost to Anakin is simply because Anakin got better. Dooku said Anakin was the finest Djem So specialist he had ever seen, period. That includes Plo Koon.
I probably won't ever do a direct match up of the two but the closest you might get is this collaboration between me and Reti4.
ua-cam.com/video/e4gxnfHrnnI/v-deo.html
I would love to see this fight animated or done in some way.
Baxter Rhodes That'd be cool.
This was a good one. I agree with the result.
:-D
Antoine Bandele I have come to realize to that these fights are purely objective to be fair anybody in these vs fight you do could get lucky =D