Great content as always! I have been looking at the Master Hunter in 3V, having used a few 3V knives from Bark River I am happy with their edge retention. Reading up on some reviews though I found that Cold Steel have changed the shape and place of manufacturing for the Master Hunter, and users are reflecting negatively on the new version. Esee is known for their heat treatment (though I believe they do outsource this service), and Cold Steel seems to have loosened up on thier QC and production quality since the sale of their company. Would be good to see a comparison of the older and new Master Hunters in 3V, that may show a difference between the two. Cheers!
I would expect a fat 3v grind to dull pretty fast while the thinner s35 should outperform the 3v by a pretty good margin. In my novice opinion, 3v is a good bit tougher than s35vn. I honestly prefer simple 10 series carbon steels for my outdoor stuff. It holds up well enough and I can strop it back easily. And I can sharpen it on a flat rock in a couple minutes. Just my two cents, Like your channel +1 sub
S35VN is definitely better. It’s rare to need that much strength that the 3V has unless it’s a huge blade. Plus the S35VN is plenty tough and has much better corrosion resistance and is easier to sharpen too. So imo the only thing the 3V has is edge retention and toughness.
Amazing test. I am highly suprised that S35VN has better edge retention than CPM S3V. Good for me, I am S35VN lover :-) Could You test quite common Sandvik steel 14C28N please?
What kind of roe is that and what is it made pf that it kills edges that quick? Most inives would be able to cut sisal or jute rope for hundreds of times but here 25-40 cuts dulls the edge? That's really surprising.
Seems common for companies to make their 3V knives thicker than other steel offerings which kinda defeats the point and makes me think it's because they want it to not chip of fail. 😊
@@peterbiltknifeguy I figured! I tried reprofiling my master hunter 3v and it took ages! I thought I was doing something wrong.. At least I can have confidence in it 👍
Yes, Carbon V generally cuts for a longer period. However, I'm not sure if it's because of the steel or because Lynn Thompson was more closely monitoring the tempering of the steel during the late 1980's.@@peterbiltknifeguy
@peterbiltknifeguy I can't do more than 2 that close to my grip. So you're better than me. I'm a huge s35v fan and some of the newer powdered steels. Also love me some high carbon, and d2, 440c blades. If it's scalpel sharp. 440charlie or opinel carbon blades are fucking dangerous with a 15º or less edge. I was attempting to slash a lace that was digging into my foot that somehow got cinched down today, my Opinel 12, carbon with an 11º edge. Yeah it looks like I have a mouth on the top of my foot.. through the lace, through the tongue of the shoe.
to what my eyes can see, the one That did 25 was doing a lot better than the one that did 40, you should be more fare dude, I like honest UA-cam videos, sorry mate, you are probably a cool guy as to know like friend of family and barbecue, but not fare this knife testing, really not .. but I wish you all the best man
@@peterbiltknifeguy ok but the cutting test was not very conclusive to my eyes, I appreciate though that you responded very quick, I was fortunately right about this, you're a good guy, well I hope in the future you can do some more convincing testing I mean the paper thing was not ideally executed, and sorry for being rude, you know in our time there is a lot of junk on the internet, but you proved by your attitude in response, to be a cool person, I thank you for that, ok man be safe god bless
I appreciate the kind words. I’m very new to edge testing so everything I do is definitely not scientific lol. I’m learning as I go. Also. neither knife was dull. I was just seeing how long the paper push cut would stay on the edge. So many factors involved.
No. Not at all. CPM 3V’s super power is strength. Not edge retention. It will hold a better edge than 1095. But s35vn is definitely better at holding an edge
@@peterbiltknifeguy I’m kind of new to knives But according to DLT and every post I have read CPM3v outperforms S35vn . I m on the sideline waiting for the Ursus 45 In 3V for the longest time
@@stephen2634 if you look at the knife steel charts. S35vn out performs 3v in edge retention. 3v is basically just super strong. Semi rust resistant and has about twice the edge retention than 1095
3v is much tougher as a rule, so I'll take a tough knife that I can edge versus a knife that keeps an edge but won't endure under extreme stress
100%
same, but both steels are good
For that type of knife, I'll take 3V any day over S35VN for its far superior toughness. 3V is more than twice as tough.
Great content as always! I have been looking at the Master Hunter in 3V, having used a few 3V knives from Bark River I am happy with their edge retention. Reading up on some reviews though I found that Cold Steel have changed the shape and place of manufacturing for the Master Hunter, and users are reflecting negatively on the new version. Esee is known for their heat treatment (though I believe they do outsource this service), and Cold Steel seems to have loosened up on thier QC and production quality since the sale of their company. Would be good to see a comparison of the older and new Master Hunters in 3V, that may show a difference between the two. Cheers!
I like this idea
If only i could get my blades that sharp, good job! Also great job with these videos, you get to the point without major bias.
Thank you
Good comparison, currently contemplating a knife that has both those steel options and this confirmed my decision on the S35VN. Cheers mate. 👍
Awesome. Glad I could help
Appears the gradient edge thickness is a slicing disadvantage for the CS. Good Test.
I would expect a fat 3v grind to dull pretty fast while the thinner s35 should outperform the 3v by a pretty good margin. In my novice opinion, 3v is a good bit tougher than s35vn. I honestly prefer simple 10 series carbon steels for my outdoor stuff. It holds up well enough and I can strop it back easily. And I can sharpen it on a flat rock in a couple minutes.
Just my two cents,
Like your channel
+1 sub
A definite separation there....Nice head to head challenge....Good stuff....
Thanks Scott
S35VN is definitely better. It’s rare to need that much strength that the 3V has unless it’s a huge blade. Plus the S35VN is plenty tough and has much better corrosion resistance and is easier to sharpen too. So imo the only thing the 3V has is edge retention and toughness.
You did an amazing job with that convex edge 👍
Thanks
Amazing test. I am highly suprised that S35VN has better edge retention than CPM S3V. Good for me, I am S35VN lover :-) Could You test quite common Sandvik steel 14C28N please?
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@@peterbiltknifeguy Thank You very much, I did not notice this video.
What kind of roe is that and what is it made pf that it kills edges that quick? Most inives would be able to cut sisal or jute rope for hundreds of times but here 25-40 cuts dulls the edge? That's really surprising.
It’s climbing rope. It’s meant to be very abrasive resistant. And the knives aren’t dull. Just losing its push cut ability
Yeah, I’m thinking that 3V held its own against the S35, from what I saw. I think they were neck and neck.
Esse does a good HT for their s35vn.I've seeb the other test where sv shined.
You should do a paper test, how many cuts to dull it. You cut like hundreds of times LOL.
Seems common for companies to make their 3V knives thicker than other steel offerings which kinda defeats the point and makes me think it's because they want it to not chip of fail. 😊
Interesting results and very cool to see your testing process. 👍Thanks for sharing and Cheers!
prob could have devised a better test with fewer variables, but still interesting. gj
I’m no scientist lol
Most objective test I've seen yet. Good job!
Thank you
I’m curious how 3vs toughness compares to 1095?
S35vn is good for edge retention but I feel like other steels can do better..
3v is far tougher
@@peterbiltknifeguy I figured! I tried reprofiling my master hunter 3v and it took ages! I thought I was doing something wrong..
At least I can have confidence in it 👍
I like the ESEE in S35VN for basic tasks and the SRK in 3V for bigger tasks like batoning. Spoiled!
I have the original Master Hunter in Carbon V and it outperforms both.
I doubt that
That's because you don't have one.@@peterbiltknifeguy
@@Man_Cave very true. But looking at the charts and steel comparisons I don’t see how that is possible. Have you tested it against 3v and s35vn?
Yes, Carbon V generally cuts for a longer period. However, I'm not sure if it's because of the steel or because Lynn Thompson was more closely monitoring the tempering of the steel during the late 1980's.@@peterbiltknifeguy
You and I both know that's a lie carbon v is just 1095 cro van
This seems to be your inability to make consistent and equal cuts on the paper.
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@peterbiltknifeguy I can't do more than 2 that close to my grip. So you're better than me. I'm a huge s35v fan and some of the newer powdered steels. Also love me some high carbon, and d2, 440c blades. If it's scalpel sharp. 440charlie or opinel carbon blades are fucking dangerous with a 15º or less edge. I was attempting to slash a lace that was digging into my foot that somehow got cinched down today, my Opinel 12, carbon with an 11º edge. Yeah it looks like I have a mouth on the top of my foot.. through the lace, through the tongue of the shoe.
to what my eyes can see, the one That did 25 was doing a lot better than the one that did 40, you should be more fare dude, I like honest UA-cam videos, sorry mate, you are probably a cool guy as to know like friend of family and barbecue, but not fare this knife testing, really not .. but I wish you all the best man
I have no reason to lie. S35vn and 3v are my favorite steels
@@peterbiltknifeguy ok but the cutting test was not very conclusive to my eyes, I appreciate though that you responded very quick, I was fortunately right about this, you're a good guy, well I hope in the future you can do some more convincing testing I mean the paper thing was not ideally executed, and sorry for being rude, you know in our time there is a lot of junk on the internet, but you proved by your attitude in response, to be a cool person, I thank you for that, ok man be safe god bless
I appreciate the kind words. I’m very new to edge testing so everything I do is definitely not scientific lol. I’m learning as I go. Also. neither knife was dull. I was just seeing how long the paper push cut would stay on the edge. So many factors involved.
cold steel 3v is junk i guess
No. Not at all. CPM 3V’s super power is strength. Not edge retention. It will hold a better edge than 1095. But s35vn is definitely better at holding an edge
@@peterbiltknifeguy good I just bought three of them
When you say you put a 15 degree edge on them, does that mean 15 degree grind on each side?
@@j.p.4541 yes that’s what it means I use 20 degree angles
3v is tougher but not as good edge retention. I expected that at the start but good verifications
Correct. But not as good is still probably twice as good as 1095
I guess Cold Steel doesn’t know how to make CPM 3v
They do. 3v isn’t a super high edge retention steel
@@peterbiltknifeguy
I’m kind of new to knives
But according to DLT and every post I have read CPM3v outperforms S35vn .
I m on the sideline waiting for the Ursus 45
In 3V for the longest time
@@stephen2634 if you look at the knife steel charts. S35vn out performs 3v in edge retention. 3v is basically just super strong. Semi rust resistant and has about twice the edge retention than 1095