@@KansasPiper haha you can't help that one. I've never known anyone in real life with that name, or even seen it written until this game. I imagine most people are the same! Maybe they included such an odd name in the game as an act of substerfuge?
It really feels like a budget proof of concept title, I'd be curious to see what Obsidian does with the bigger budget Microsoft has given them BUT it is possible their glory days are behind them, I mean according to Chris Avellone (One of their founders and most famous writer) a lot of the team that made New Vegas left and the management is not great.
I knew it wasn't going to even be on par with NV and 2. It's not the same team, I had played Obsidians other titles, and they were not same as their old titles.
@@DioBrando-mr5xs even though it wasnt likely to begin with guess now that most of the main crew has jumped ship we wont get a new Vegas 2 and if we do wont be as good as it could have been
the team that made outer worlds is not the same obsidian that made new vegas. it's like when people say id is great because they made doom and quake. it's not the same people at all, so expecting the same quality out of companies is pointless. companies don't make good games, people do. so learn who the talented devs are, and follow them. not the companies.
@@mariobadia4553 i didn't say they couldn't still make good games. but the people who made doom 1 and 2 aren't the same people who made doom 2016. it's just the company name. just like how konami released both metal gear solid 3 and metal gear survive.
yes! good writers to start that allows for plot change due to choices. then programers /graphic artists with imagination that actually play games and allow different visual paths thru the enviroment
@@kirtschaefer8025 Vision and purpose > player freedom Games should give you an experience worth playing, not leave it up to you to figure out how to have fun.
Outer Worlds seems to be a case of 'in the Land of the Blind, One-Eye is King'. It may be mediocre but it becomes 'good' compared to stuff like FO76, ME Andromeda and so on.
@LAW dude, andromeda and fallout 4 are objectively bad trashfires. Comparing this game to those and calling it worse than two of the biggest let downs and most criticized shit shows in years just shows that you should probably find a different game. If you really think andromeda and fo4 are better games, you shoold play them again and see how truly shitty each of them are. At least this game has a vision. Andromeda and fallout 4 are contrived moneygrabs
new vegas gameplay is created by bethesda .. obsidian only created the story .. obsidian can never make a game that has a good gameplay .. thats why they went bankrupt making fallout
Most of the core writers left obsidian. The obsidian people love isnt the one we have now. Also you cant throw the "from the creators of fall out" and not expect fan back lash when you deliver a sub par product.
Even though compared to everything from Bethesda it's a masterpiece. It's a billion times better then garbage heap known as Fallout 4 add a trillion times better then the shitstain known as Fallout 76. Hell even Skyrim is extremely medicor in every degree( only reason people still play the damn games because of mods).
Mario Badia no it is not. It’s boring and empty. You can hate Bethesda al you want but fallout 4 has much more substance than TOW. Hell even Elder Scrolls Oblivion is a better game
The reason Fallout NV was so good was because they had the writers of Fallout 1-2. (They left Obsidian years before the development of The Outer Worlds) A lot of NV was based on interplays Fallout 3 (They didn't get to release it because they no longer had the rights to the Fallout franchise) Fallout New Vegas was lightning in a bottle.
So your saying a few writers who honestly did minimal work on the fallout games to begin with compared to other writers (they were not the primary writers they were the highly replaceable b crew) coming from fallout is the reason obsidian was able to create such an amazing gem as New vegas? The literal 2 creators of fallout are the ones who came over for the outer worlds. So im not sure this tracks at all. ^^
Honestly, I don’t really like Obsidian. I really loved their parent company, Black Isle, and I love New Vegas and the team that made it (Chris Avellone, Josh Sawyer, etc.) more than I love myself. But according to Chris once he left, the management was extremely terrible. A-lot of people that gave up their paychecks or worked overtime weren’t compensated by the boss initially (Chris, being the literal god he is, managed to eventually convince him with the aid of a higher-up), and the contracts they give to people that leave the company can be dickish and borderline unethical. (Chris, when he left, wasn’t allowed to disclose any information about their internal affairs, and was told that he couldn’t work on any other RPG’s) I’m not saying that Obsidian is terrible per se, its games still have great designs and potential. But it still has pretty sketchy business practices, like a kinda ‘less bad’ Bethesda. Let’s hope they’ll be under better management for future frontiers. Maybe they already are. Oh and, The Epic Games Store sucks don’t @ me.
Honestly at this point Bethesda doesn't really exist as it's own anymore; sense Zenimax fired the Bethesda founder, I just find Bethesda a puppet company to Zenimax.
@@megamike15 The fallout franchise has always had rom options especially f2. You can literally sleep with a mother then while shes resting after the deed you can go across the hall and sleep with the daughter. So mate get of that Dmt and come back to reality.
@@Elnegro.. Really.... No. Obdisian games didn't need romances. That's BioWare's schtick, and in Obsidian games I found they always felt a bit forced. I'll take some good old-fashioned deep friendships over "sweet, I can bang anyone" any day of the week. BioWare have done a few good romances in their time, but they're about the only company to pull it off, though their talent at doing that has definitely gone downhill in successive titles. Moreoever, the "romances" in Bethesda games have been absolute trash. I've had more meaningful relationship with my enchanted equipment in TES games than in any TES/Fallout game. A click-to-fuck interaction is the kind of shitty mods that gave Dragon Age mods a bad name.
@@AmstradHero Really yes. Nothing needs anything that's a stupid point. No one needs guns but peaple want guns, just like they do romance options. Romance options go way back in terms of fallout, and it never felt forced to me. You live in a wasteland, and you're a man. The romance options in f 1 and 2 usually had story implications for ex the 2 that I mentioned were a way to get a code to a safe, and to figure out how to end a mob boss, ofc sleeping with both is just a extra step. That said your felt forced bit doesn't seem logical at all. Don't see what Bethesda has to do with obsidian, but yeah Bethesda romances are pretty trash. Bethesda's romances aren't good for a number of reasons 1. They are forced 2. Do to then being forced they aren't done well That said I'd take bad romance options over none any day, it makes no sense that my charcter a alpha male Chad isn't getting action.
Tbh, I think it's about expectations plus how they sold it. This game is clearly more of a AA title instead of a AAA title. And with the small budget Obsidian had they wouldn't be able to do a whole lot with the game. But they still tried to sell it as a AAA title with the 60$+ and everything. It's a decent game on its own, but i get the feeling that this is the type of game that's made to test the waters/prove its worth and then when the sequel comes around (if they make one) it'll be amazing.
@@mathewhuff1157 If you charge $60 for a game it also gets treated like a $60 game. Otherwise every publisher/developer could argue like this. FO76 was shit? "Oh well, it was only a AA game so it's not that big of an issue".
RumbleFist Umm... Except Fallout 76 was a AAA game. You do realise Indie, AA and AAA are in reference to budget right not Quality? Not only that But The Outer Worlds is fully worth £60. So what are you trying to argue?
I hate the way a lot of this game looks. I also hate the insipid, forced quirkiness and generally flippant tone the game has. Combat feels weightless, and while solving quests with a reasonable amount of agency is a plus, it's completely sabotaged by the fact that you likely aren't likely very invested in the first place.
"Quirky" Thank you! I used to love the occasional quirky moment, when that was the outlier. Now, I am so entirely sick of it, I feel a Pavlovian hate response whenever anything tries it.
People also seem to completely forget that "Fallout New Vegas" was NOT the darling that the fans/internet claim it to be upon release. When it came out the consensus was that it was mostly inferior to Fallout 3 made by a developer known as a bug-fest studio who never finished their games. I don't truly understand where and when Fallout New Vegas suddenly became the "best" in the series.
Bethesda's reputation going down is part of it. Part of it is also some people went back and played the OG Fallouts after getting exposed to the franchise via 3 or NV and NV is much more consistent with the OG games in both theme, tone and locations. I don't know how many of the folks from No Mutants Allowed gave NV a shot but I'm sure they would've embraced it to spite Bethesda if nothing else. Also mods and community patches make it run better.
I love how people use The Outer Worlds as a tool to say that Bethesda is bad instead of actually providing reasonable critique. Thanks for finally letting me know I'm not alone in feeling that it's painfully mediocre.
Djinn Delacroix how about the fact that Fallout 4 manages to be even more mediocre with poor quests and writing even with a much larger budget? The Outer Worlds isn’t amazing, but it’s writing is far better than F4 and I honestly enjoy it more, I just hope Bethesda puts time into what matters for fallout rather than focusing on gunplay for the next title
@@skinnymulligan5210 You are proving my point. BTW, I'm not saying F4 isn't mediocre. Also, kind of silly to use the word "fact" when selling an opinion.
I’m so glad to see someone else feel this way about the game. I kept seeing people rave about it and give 10 out of 10’s, but it just felt archaic to me, and I felt like I was waiting for it to get good but it barely changed from the beginning planet.
I never finished this game. Monarch was such a slog and while I found the setting and art style initially cool it faded fast. Except Parvati, she was a really good character! Wish she wasn't the exception.
I quit on monarch after talking to rose in that one town. I just got angry from the cringe dialogue and repetitive gameplay I raged out and just uninstalled right then and there.
"Maybe obsidian never had that touch" New vegas, stick of truth, fallout 2, pillars of eternity 1 & 2, tyranny I think your underselling them because you didnt like the outer worlds.
@@nate296 overrated my ass though. it's thanks to Bethesda for ruining the New Vegas 2 shit, and not saying just because of that, cuse there's definately a good chunk of falloff of people that probobly were planning to leave anyways some point or another.
I think this game will always stay in my mind. Not because it's so good but because I felt like this was the biggest scam ever. But also most importantly how hate against a company can make so many people believe that this game was actually good is the one of the most interesting psychological phenomena ever.
It bothers me that both games are confused with eachother so much cause Wilds is genuinely a once in a generation gaming experience while Worlds is just another mediocre RPG.
@@TheCapitalWanderer is not that bad, but for a Rpg it could be bigger, you can expand hours on second missions and explore the characters and humor who is in my opinion the key of why i love this game, but it could ve bigger in lore and in experience, better second missions (in this case companion missions that some are mid to bad in writing and in investing), a bigger history, a better weapon design and gunplay, and for me it's about it, i like the lore, i like the concept of the world and i like the charm of the game but you have to give your own shot to decide if is bad or good, don't expect a fallout, people love say that this is like fallout, fun fact, Isn't.
Honestly if you’re gonna play a “space fallout” just download Star Wars KOTOR. The combat system isn’t that good but the story as well as quest placements feel so rewarding.
The fact that after just a month or two nobody is playing the game shows how overhyped this was. It’s very 2 dimensional, predictable, and repetitive. After an hour or two I was done. It’s just too boring. Pavarti was my favorite aspect
I pretty much agree with every point you make. I liked the game. It was fun and I happened to do a Fallout 4 playthrough up to the release of this game so I could compare and contrast (I do miss VATS and hardly ever used Outer World's slo-mo.) But I'll admit that I did have a "that's it?" kind of reaction at the end. I only saw the first trailer. I like to temper my expectations by only seeing one or two trailers for a game or movie. Just to gauge if I'm interested in something and, if I am, keep spoilers to a minimum. Considering the issue of malnutrition, which was actually nicely teased, we never really get to solve that problem. I honestly thought the botanical gardens would play a bigger role. They kind of solved one problem, the nutrients, so I figured the 2nd would be to find a suitable replacement for the fertilizer. Then finally getting around to owning enough land to actually physically plant fruits and vegetables for sustainable human life. Whatever my complaints, I will say that I do find myself eager for a follow up. This was a good base to work off of. Obsidian got bought out by Microsoft so if there is a sequel, I can see myself buying an xbox just to play this. Another nitpic I have. I like the helmet removal option so I can see characters but I wish there was something similar for the armor. I like the default costumes the characters had and, judging from your footage, you seem to have just given everyone the same bulky armor that I did. Which looks fine but kind of boring. I wish there was an option to change that.
I remember when this game came out. The hatred for Bethesda at its peak with Fallout 76, so everyone jumped on into The Outer Worlds to spite Bethesda. Obsidian has a great reputation, and I definitely went into this with open arms. The problem is I was wanting a substitute to fallout. I think that bumps it up in some people's eyes with it giving people what they wanted at the time. I just didn't feel it. Its not a bad game honestly, but I felt myself trying to force myself to like it more instead of actually loving it.
This definitely puts Avowed and the TOW expansion Peril on Gorgon into a new perspective. I hope those games are good, but I'm definitely going to lower my expectations moving forward.
I dont like Outerworlds because of its marketing. "FROM THE STUDIO THAT BROUGHT YOU FALLOUT NEW VEGAS" Just gives off this air of smugness that instantly markets their game as just as good, or better than New Vegas.
I remember hearing so many people saying good things about this game, from internet muckrakers, to endless Reddit posts. I then tried it, and was relatively... underwhelmed with it. The guns felt too similar, the weapon mods were boring, the status ailments barely did anything, the morality was obvious, character building was uninspiring, and free form exploration was relatively pointless since seemingly every single location was tied to a quest. I could write an entire paragraph or two on just how disappointing the arsenal was. If you ask me, it’s no big mystery that the main reason for TOW’s success was it’s timing.
A massive downside for me is the world. In fallout I can wander around for hours just exploring side locations, reading terminals/notes, and stumbling upon cool things. Anything off the main path in this game just feels empty. For all their issues, Bethesda knows how to make interesting worlds.
Once my initial "Wow" factor wore off, I also saw TOW as a mediocre and shallow game. Honestly I'm glad I didn't have to pay for it in hindsight. Thanks GamePass!
I can't agree with the criticism of the NPCs not blinking. The whole time you gave that rant the NPCs blinked roughly once every 10 seconds, which isn't less than people I know blink... Or even myself. No idea why you included that...
Its just... fire, chemicals call that stuff and when the character isn’t in shock and talking in a tense voice for tension having them take their time to blink seems a bit weird I honestly didn’t know they did blink, just maybe speed it up a bit for when the tension is there so they’re always a bit where it’s not like a mannequin pretending to be human and having to remember to blink Like the first person I notice blink was the guy who does the paper work and is on the planet that is off limits, I don’t look at their eyes all that much but usually tend do during tense moments in game like ‘oh raiders are attacking’ or ‘everything around me is burning and we need to save as many civilians as we can’ Like it just seemed the eyes never blinked, maybe a expression of wrinkles to distract? It worked in fallout 1-2-brotherhood-tactics it should work here too Reminded me of the reporter from red faction 2 with the barley blinking bit but I swear he blinked or at least seemed more animated in a tense moment
That's because he showed a some what important character, usually anyone with a one off side quest barely moves anything around their eyes and at most do a half blink. Only main characters were animated decently, but its still super awkward.
Very interesting to watch this video and read these comments. As someone who typically has a hard time getting into these games, I thoroughly enjoyed my time with Outer Worlds and its world-building. The hyperbolic and satirical dialogue was a fresh change from many games that take themselves super seriously. The only deduction I can really come up with is that, since I had no prior experience with Fallout games, I didn't come in with a particular expectation. And maybe that's why I enjoyed my playthrough so much. For what it's worth (and at the risk of being crucified), I started playing FNV afterwards and genuinely couldn't get 30 minutes in because it felt so dated. Obviously that's not nearly enough of a sample size to have a real opinion on the game, but suffice to say that I'll slot myself into the apparent minority on this one.
Sound like a casual tbh. This game is pretty snack sized compared to better RPGs. Especially the bethesda games. probably why you enjoyed it. Gameplay still holds up great IMO.
@@gh0rochi363 I can. FO4 was _the_ most lazily written Fallout game, bar perhaps Brotherhood of Steel. The customization system ended up crippling both item variety (despite its intention to do the opposite) and rendering unique weapons uninteresting. The dialogue system was unmitigated garbage, and the removal of the skill system rendered everything aside from combat puddle-deep. The head of PR's default response to any criticisms was to namecall and insult people. It was _still_ better than TOW, by sheer virtue of making me feel things. TOW was so aggressively mediocre, the only emotional response it ever elicited from me was exasperation about how ham-fisted the writing was.
@@passingrando6457fallout 4 actually has some pretty decent moments. Including some really decent companions, fun if slightly cheesy dialogue, and probably my favorite weapon system in any game, It doesn’t make sense but what it lacks in realism is makes up for in fun.
@@jackcouch8322 I can agree on all of those except the last one. Post-modding, it's great, but the base game lacks variety and the modding system is dragged down by most weapons having a "best" mod for each slot. The character writing is indeed fun. Each companion is unique, all are fairly likable (albeit Strong is Morrigan from Dragon Age levels of irritating in regards to approval points), and Nick and Cait's companion quests in particular are very compelling. The bootleg Mass Effect dialogue system itself is my gripe on that. Oh, and I just remembered Presto Gravy after typing most of this. He,'s boring and flat, and I usually end up sealing him in a cuckshed in the middle of a swamp or something.
I feel like a lot of Outer World fans are like Anthem or early No Man's Sky fans were. They get angry when you criticize the game because they spent so much time BEFORE launch hyping it up, and now they feel foolish that the game turned out a lot less than they were saying it would be. It's not a bad game, but it sure ain't a very good one either. It passes the time, but it's very, very "meh".
I really regret paying $60 for this one. If Obsidian and the apologists want to defend them as being a smaller studio, then they should charge smaller studio prices. This games isn’t terrible, but I personally find it extremely dated, and lacking in meaningful content that is dragged down to an extra degree by being extremely easy, having minimal variety, and a very boring one not setting without the interesting characters and factions of past Obsidian titles and other RPGs. Just my two cents.
Yeah. It’s not really all that good when you mention a game that was supposed to be some big “masterpiece,” and when you talk to someone about the game not even half a decade after it came out and their response is “oh, yeah, I remember that one. I think I remember playing it.”
@@Joe-my6go Stop falling for the trap of pre-release hype, thats either diehard fanboys or a marketing department for a multi million dollar company hyping you up and over selling it. Not the devs and not the game. Some of the best games have had little to no hype prior to release, some of the worst had the most hype ever..(shots fired cyberpunk). Just stop going into games with prior set expectations and you will both enjoy more games more often and not be disappointed as often.
@@ZedNull. Pre-release hype was the exact reason why i waited for a week and looked up all the popular UA-cam reviewers before I bought the game. Literally everyone of them said that this is such an awesome game so I trusted them since they had first hand experience with the game.
@@DevlVergil ok? its also the reason why hundreds of thousands of people were extremely upset when cyberpunk 2077 came out, the same could be said for no mans sky although they did manage to fix that one eventually. the exception doesnt make the rule and its bad for gaming as a whole for the community to be pandered to by marketers using literal psychological triggers learned from years of manipulation, only interested in getting you into pre-ordering a game or buying an upgraded game version that either may or more likely may not live up to the hype. Devs may be passionate about their game, but advertisers and marketers are only interested in the bag, and thats the people conducting the hype train.
@@DevlVergil right, the hype worked on you. whats your point? they have years of practice and multiple millions of dollars to throw at making sure their tactics work its not surprising the hype functioned correctly. The negatives come with OVERHYPE not just pre-release hype in general. Overhyping used to cripple games and rightfully so, dont write checks you cant cash right its deceptive practice. Now overhyping is becoming the new standard. its bad for everyone involved besides the company left holding the bag of cash. We as a gamer community for the sake of gaming should stop falling for/not caring about deceptive practices like overhype or like the no mans sky developer just bold face lying. Our money makes or breaks these companies and we hold the power to hold them accountable.
the game feels like a dumbed down F:NV, making it way too easy, and giving you ''choices'' that mostly don't even matter because the npc's are braindead, it's an ok game, it's still an overpriced overrated game
FINALLY, I was starting to worry I'd gone mad with all the insane amounts of praise and 9/10s this game was getting. There's not a single thing this game does that is above average, bland gameplay, mediocre graphics, repetitive environments and assets so that every single location looks the same, even the writing that everyone praises is bloated and boring 90% of the time. They started by saying hey lets parody late stage capitalism, and they never moved past that, that's literally all there is to the story and nearly every side quest. The weirdest thing is that there are almost no negative reviews anywhere, especially on UA-cam..
To me Obsidian lost its touch after Pillars of Eternity 1, the sequel poe2 had a less cohesive story, characters that regressed in their storyline and several unfinished companions.
> every character quest is forgettable That seems to be the new Obsidian standards of writing, lmao. I remember how godawfully dull were almost all quests of Pillars of eternity, where the whole plot of the first game was essentially a shaggy dog story that in the end god scrapped and repeated again. To top the dullness, in the first game Eder was looking for "why did his brother abandoned his nation and joined holy crusade", but in the second game, while standing in presence of instigator of that crusade, he forgot about it! Old Obsidian's writing always was sharp as nails, characters spoke in concise but very impactful words, and the end of the quest brought significant changes in all parties involved. In latest games, it seems that the writers decidedly do their characters as mellow and unassuming as possible and the quests often have almost no resolution at the end (shaggy dog story all over again.)
The whole point of Eder's quest in PoE1 was that some times you don't get the answers to your questions and Eder had to make his peace with that lack of closure.
What you said about Obsidian at the end of the video was perfectly spot on. The industry somehow grew to be excited about a developer who literally just made games out of the scraps and assets of a well established franchise. Personally I prefer Kotor 1 instead of 2, and I'm one of the minorities who also prefer Fallout 3 instead of New Vegas (actually Fallout 1 & 2 are the better ones, but that's another subject). Anyway, Kotor 2 for me was like a bigger version of the first one, with unrealized ideas and an extreme lack of focus. We've got that content restoration mod and all, but I don't think making a game big even bigger and more convoluted is the answer. Also with New Vegas: it's Fallout 3 with a big chunk of empty deserts between points of interest, with more bugs as much as gameplay hours. I know about all the fafle between them and Bethesda, but again, it's the same story as with Kotor 2 all over again. So everytime a project they do come out as so-so, will we blame the publishers? Ok then, so what about when they actually do a game of their own, like Alpha Protocol and Outer Worlds? Your video right here is the answer.
I'm convinced anyone who says fallout new vegas's map is "an empty desert" hasn't actually played the game, it's the default hate point for fo3 fanboys who are upset someone else made a superior game in pretty much every aspect with the same assets. There are literally more locations in FNV than in Fo3, you can hardly walk for over 2 minutes without encountering a new location. The majority of which actually have some quests attached unlike fo4
@@haywoodjblome4768 Yes there are more locations in F:NV than in FO3 just not more interesting ones off the beaten path. There's better distribution of loot and weaponry in FO3 making you wanna explore more. Many of the weaponry in NV is available on the Gun Runners store.
IMO. The Outer Worlds is perfectly enjoyable on its own. It’s just that the hype and Obsidian’s previous work with New Vegas (Where they had a pre made engine, assets, different people working on it,and mountains of pre-established lore to work with. Instead of making an entire game from scratch.) really worked against them by overhyping their abilities.
The reason why everything stops moving while talking in fnv was an engine limitation. (which got resolved in Skyrim) Why would they emulate that, is beyond me
I just got to tarturus and completed the game the first time in about close to 16 to 18 hours at most and liked it but wanted more it was more like new vegas lite it felt like it needed more in it and the dialogue was awesome but i still think their couldve been more flair i dont know im not a game reviewer but i at least completed it
I'd summarize it like this: corners were cut pretty much everywhere, but they were cut carefully without outright ruining the whole thing and therefore... it just works. It does what it has to do, no more, no less. Brilliantly mediocre. Great video as usual, keep up the good work!
@@mikeryan1043 But Obsidian made this game as an improvement on Fallout. Shouldn't it have better animations than a game that came from an earlier time?
@@HolyknightVader999 Oh definitely. I'm not praising Bethesda's animations. And that TOW's animations are worse than a 12 year old Bethesda game isn't that great.
@@HolyknightVader999 I don't disagree. I'm not even a huge Fallout fan so TOW doesn't earn any points for the "fallout killer" marketing in my book. The biggest disappointment for me is how bland the level design and how boring the gameplay looks. Overall not awful but it screams mediocrity.
New Vegas questing didn't feel shallow, the story was interesting and at the time i played it, Fo4 was just announced so I got hyped. I got TOW expecting a good space fallout but story feels shallow, characters are meaningless. They really dropped the ball with this game, its trying too hard to be "better than Fo4, like us cause we made FNV" and it actually fails to do that. I mean, i played FNV twice in a row, right after i finished it, i started a new game in NV, but TOW i can barely play for more than 30-40 minutes, it just gets boring and either i get distracted by something else or just get sleepy and I've actually fall asleep in the couch playing this game... Damm shame, i only wish i could resell the game but i got it digital on ps4...
As someone who played both Pillars of Eternity games alongside Tyranny, Obsidian CAN make really good original projects, with the Outer Worlds they just didn't for some reason.
PoE games are amazing. Recently gave Tyranny a try and it's also very good. Can't say I liked the character models too much, but everything else was fantastic.
guess which one did better commercially tho (i love pillars series but i think this was just like a solid thing they thought they could make money off of)
If we're doing comparisons Fallout 4 was overall a much more enjoyable than the Outerworlds but even so Pillars 2 is one of the best RPGs I've ever played so maybe this was just Obsidian faltering under the pressure of making a spiritual successor to F:NV, really looking forward to Avowed though!
This was the most disappointing game experience I've had in a while. I'm struggling to point to a single thing about it that I liked. Glad I bought it on sale, 'cause it sure isn't worth much.
We party whoop whoop. Edit: The combat and the story are my main complaints really. The story was great imo but just too short and the combat well it felt like FO4 combat but somehow worse.
"From the Developers of Fallout: New Vegas" but isn't made by Josh Sawyer, John Gonzalez, and Chris Avellone. So, not from the developers of New Vegas, but from the Developers of Fallout 1. False Advertising.
Dude you nailed it with pointing out how most of Obshitions work was based off the template/hard work of original creators. Fallout NV and KOTOR2 are glorified mods of their previous games....and they still came out unfinished.
I started playing it last week. Too early for me to make a firm opinion but I’m not expecting it to be New Vegas, but as a first game in a new IP it shows a good amount of potential.
So when you mentioned friends you made along the way coming in the final battle. It made me realize, this is Obsidian's bread and butter. I recently got back into Knights of the Old Republic 2. That game came out in 2004 and the ending climatic battle has the factions you sided with from the various planets coming to your aid. I checked their other games and the same thing happens in Alpha Protocol, Southpark The Stick of Truth, Tyranny, and I may be missremembering but I think something on a smaller scale happens in Dungeon Siege III. Someone else will have to confirm if it happens in Never Winter Nights 2 and Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2 for me. If this is true for the above three games that means the ONLY game this kind of ending doesn't appear in is in Skyforge, which is listed as an MMO they only collaborated in.
It's almost like a cliche now. Factions you've helped showing up at the final battle. It's like Bioware and their time-skips. It's a good cliche, though-it shows your accomplishments in a meaningful manner.
@@HolyknightVader999 obsidian has just as many cliches as bioware does. a reputation system party that hates eachother. the villain being alot more grey then the game lets on. the story being more a personal journey. masks being a reoccuring theme. and factions playing a role in the story.
@@megamike15 Basically. Not to mention the fact that it all ends up being a final battle where your allies that you made along the way show up to support you. In KOTOR 2, the people you helped on Dantooine and Onderon will show up to help you fight the Sith forces. In New Vegas, groups like the Boomers, the Brotherhood, and the Enclave will pitch in for the side you chose.
Man based on the original reviews and my own experience with the game I thought I was going crazy for not liking this game. I’m a massive fan of obsidian but this is the first game of theirs I’ve never finished
Man I sure got disappointed with the ending of the game It's like: -Yeah so they arrested Sheldon Cooper and we gotta bail him out -Ok, let's do that --You bail him out in a sceneraio where literally every faction you helped, somehow knows you are there, and decides they are gonna help you even tho there's literally no reason for them to do so or gain anything out of it, they just do because... I dunno, the power of friendship -You bail Sheldon Cooper out -Cool, what now? -Credits roll -Wha-?
New Vegas: Truth is...the game was rigged from the start. Outer Worlds: Oh, your finally wake! New Veags: Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter. Outer Worlds: ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? New Veags: Ave, True to Ceaser! Outer Worlds: ?????????????????? New Vegas: War....War never changes. Outer Worlds: Everyone, lived happily ever after. Fiñ!
With the shoulder-shots in dialogue, I'll defend them a little bit by pointing out what Fallout 4 did wrong: In Fallout 4, the game suffered quite a bit from trying to have conversation be something that happened almost exclusively in real-time in full-view. For example, you might have a conversation in a dark area where it's hard to see who you're talking to. This also prioritizes being able to navigate through a conversation more quickly, which is a small contributor to the dialogue wheel. The other two reasons why you have the dialogue wheel would be that those complicated animations cost money to make (so each dialogue option they give you costs them more money than it normally would), and the protagonist is voiced (probably because everyone was complaining about silent protagonists at the time). On a tangent: The protagonist being voiced is the biggest contributor to F4's poor dialogue system. For one, voice acting costs money, but the big thing is "redundancy". A big part of the reason why you can't read out your whole line of dialogue in F4 is because it would make the voice acting redundant: You've already read what they're about to say, so there isn't much of a point in hearing them repeat it verbatim. How this problem is often solved is by having it so the player doesn't know exactly what their character will say. The portrait conversations of Outer Worlds are intended to make it so you can clearly see who you're talking to and have no distractions. It's not necessarily the right call, but they did make it with intention for a reason other than nostalgia.
You know for people that complain about the dialogue system in Fallout 4 you do point out the actual issues with it, beyond just having 4 dialogue choices.
My short review of Outer Worlds: +- 30% of the corps are good/ok ( msi/sublight) rest are stupid. + Ok story + Ok companions - Lack of ranged weapon variety. No sub machine guns, no laser shotguns, no gatling guns or laser gatlin guns/lmgs or laser snipers. (Bullet weapons modded to fire plasma are not pure plasma/energy weapons, just lazy.) - no rocket launchers or hand grenades - Lack of human enemy variety. Bandits and corporate. All corporate wear the same armors re-colored, expect the sublight. - corporate never fights against bandits
After completing all the main quests in monarch I decided that a bullet to the face was a more convincing argument in a persuasion check so I resolved my problems that way to get the story rolling a little faster. This game was incredibly milquetoast.
Yeah, the "choices" the game offers are so crappy I just ended up waging all-out war on whatever corporation is on Byzantium (I don't care enough to look it up) I hate the scientist, but I'm also not going to murder civilizations for the Corp, so...
The problem isn't that it's exactly like FNV and that doesn't hold up. That's such an ignorant "newer and shinier is always better" midwit take. The problem is that FNV is leagues ahead of it. It's a regression instead of an advancement.
I kept thinking there was gonna be different kinds of ammo o couple put in each slot but that never happened. Maybe it was planned at one point based in how the UI is but it's just lame how it is now.
I get the impression TOW was a tightly budgeted proof of concept for Obsidian and Microsoft. That'd explain why Microsoft immediately pushed it on their Game Pass. I can't review the game too harshly, given that I played it for next to nothing.
Incredibly well said. I wish there was one or two lines that stuck out the most, but I was basically nodding my head with what you said the entire video and really appreciate the nuanced criticism of how this game can't be called terrible or awful by any means, but it does feel mediocre and disappointing due to excessive hype. Really this game could've been made by Ubisoft or EA and nobody would've known any different because the current Obsidian that made this is a shell of its former self and far past its glory days of old...
What really broke this game for me was a moment in my last session, and the way I resolved the Edgewater dilemma. I had already beaten the game once a while ago, around launch, and figured I'd fire it up again to kill some time. I was having a good time, managed to build a strong sniper build that could one or two shot most humanoid enemies, etc. On my last playthrough, I redirected the power to Edgewater, and figured that this time I should do the opposite in order to see the difference. When I came back to Edgewater, I failed the speech check to get Reed to call off his guards, and as soon as I went to grab the power converter, a firefight ensued that eventually pulled in most of the town. The bad part? Parvati was still in my party. This sweet little girl, who earlier begged for me to reconsider my decision in order to save Edgewater, now had no problem running in, LMG in hand, and No Russian-ing her whole hometown, all because some stranger fell from the sky and pissed them off.
It should've been an extremely obvious warning sign when they came out and said that the game was only going to be released on the Epic Games Store for the first year.
I'm not so much enamored with the type of player choice that lets you complete a quest in different playstyles as I am with the type that lets you control a quest's outcome and then see it impact the world from then on - like in New Vegas when you have to choose where to reroute the power at Helios One, or whether to activate Archimedes, or the choice of helping/sabotaging the ghouls departing in rockets, or the choice to defend/assassinate president Kimball, approaching the event of his visit from different angles of different factions. Objective events, subjective approaches, and control over the outcomes, based on who the player roleplays at. That's the kind of player choice I want. Too bad The Outer Worlds was so underwhelming in this respect.
Shame NV never got official support for continuing the story after the battle of Hoover Dam. So we can actually explore the consequences of our decisions. Same for fallout 4. Love seeing the brotherhood cleaning out the commonwealth well after the institute is destroyed.
I blame the New Vegas Fanboy's (not fans, the fanboy's, you know who I'm talking about) for overhyping the game and putting obsidian on a pedestal just because.
yeah i hate games where characters just kind of move their head around slightly in dialogue scenes, i think one think cyberpunk did really well is your character would gesture (put their arms on the table, etc) while the person would talk to you, it felt like a human conversation instead of just oblivion-style camera zooms
Glad to hear some balanced review, there are too many other reviewers overpraising and overhyping this game. Sometimes I genuinely asking whether they have double standards or not.
The sad truth is that it's no longer possible to make a good triple-A game. The rot in the industry relating to politics is simply unable to be overcome. Just as the most obvious example, even as under-characterized as the Legion was in New Vegas, by current standards, that characterization would be deemed far too sympathetic.
The shooting and level design feel very bare bones and cheap. If the gameplay loop was fun i could let it slide alot more but it became a chore to get through towards the end. I also was not a fan of the over arching industrialist theme, I'd have preferred a more traditional space colony theme than the willy wonka-esque borderlands we got.
It was good. It wasn't great, but I really enjoyed myself for at least 30 hours. I found the dialogue to be hilarious. You are seriously underselling it. It's solid, probably 7/10.
People keep telling me that this isn't just New Vegas with a fresh coat of paint. But I played it for the first hour and literally went, "Hey, starting town is just Goodsprings again". Thank you for not being one of those people who acts like this is just the shining jewel on Obsidian's tarnished crown.
I think that saying Outer Worlds is an attempt at reliving the glory days of New Vegas is doing a disservice to New Vegas. If they had made just "New Vegas but IN SPACE!" it would've been great. New Vegas still stands up to this day, Outer Worlds has already aged poorly.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was underwhelmed with TOW. I just didn’t understand what everyone was raving about, and was embarrassed to admit that I liked fallout 4 so much more. I know it’s silly to care what other people think about the game but I thought I wasn’t playing the right way, because the story just didn’t suck me in. In my opinion It’s not a bad game, it’s just over hyped.
Dude thank you so much. I always tell people that 90% of the work was done for Obsidian for the games they developed that were deemed as good games and how companies constantly have to force them to finish games. Worst thing is people will make excuses for why these things happened or act like no other company could have did what they did.
@@DevlVergil maybe obsidian needed a better game developer to implement code to throw grenades without equipping them.....they did the same shit with fallout new vegas. You have to equip grenades specifically to throw them
Mass Effect 1 came out in 2007 and had ragdoll physics as well as throwable items like grenades. Biotic powers can make enemies float around, and explosive ammo weapons deliver a kickback that sends them flying. All in 2007. More than a decade before Outer Worlds. Also, the time-dilation thing they had here was also in Mass Effect 2, where adrenaline rush gave you a bullet time effect that slows down time and allows you to kill enemies at your leisure. Mass Effect 2 came out in 2010. Outer Worlds came out October 2019, 12 years after ME1 and 9 years after ME2. Damn, they got lazy........
It's honestly surreal to look back on how many people used this game to attack Bethesda, yet pretty much every Bethesda RPG blows this mess out of the fucking water (Yes, even Fallout 76)
At the end, my stealth build was a strange fit for the last mission. Didn't recognize my allies so I ended up shooting and killing all of them as well. Oops 🤷
Something just hit me after comparing KOTOR 2 and New Vegas, when you mentioned the ending of Outer Worlds as "the Third Battle for Hoover Dam." Having a final battle where all your friends show up while you fight through mobs of enemies is basically the signature way Obsidian knows how to end big RPGs. They've done this back in KOTOR 2. In KOTOR 2, you get to assault multiple waves of Sith at the endgame. Your allies from Dantooine and Onderon (whichever faction you helped in taking over those worlds) will help you drive them back from Citadel Station, then invade their flagship and kill the head honcho Sith before going to Malachor V and wiping out their sloppy seconds. It's the same as in New Vegas: you march from your camp, picking up your old friends that you cultivated from the story along the way, be they Enclave troopers, Brotherhood Paladins, or Boomers with a bombing plane, you guys drive back enemies starting with those closest to your location, and you push through level after level of enemies that are supposedly high-tier, but by that point, you've upgraded to the point where you can slaughter whole platoons of them with a click of a mouse. Then you get to the head bad guy wearing a mask, be it Darth Nihilus for KOTOR 2, or Legatus Lanius for New Vegas. They're supposed to be this big scary guy who decimates whole whole civilizations/tribes, but if you've properly leveled, you can kick their asses easy. My Jedi character can mind-wipe Nihilus and make him docile for a good minute or two, while my Courier can slaughter Legatus Lanius in a swordfight while wearing a ball gown or nothing but her underwear. Outer Worlds wasn't the second time they did this-it was the third, at least if you count KOTOR 2 along with New Vegas.
All the outer world's has to say is "Ha ha corporations dumb dumb mkay?" and that's about it. In terms of writing quality obsidian is a fucking husk of what it used to be. Even pillars of eternity 2 had bunch of terrible writing in it.
"Substerfuge". 11/10 would make up words again.
My speciality.
@@CharlatanWonder *Specistality
Also, Pa(r)vaRti.
@@KansasPiper I cannot be stopped.
@@KansasPiper haha you can't help that one. I've never known anyone in real life with that name, or even seen it written until this game. I imagine most people are the same! Maybe they included such an odd name in the game as an act of substerfuge?
It really feels like a budget proof of concept title, I'd be curious to see what Obsidian does with the bigger budget Microsoft has given them BUT it is possible their glory days are behind them, I mean according to Chris Avellone (One of their founders and most famous writer) a lot of the team that made New Vegas left and the management is not great.
I knew it wasn't going to even be on par with NV and 2. It's not the same team, I had played Obsidians other titles, and they were not same as their old titles.
I think they've all moved on to become InXile and making the new wasteland
@@DioBrando-mr5xs even though it wasnt likely to begin with guess now that most of the main crew has jumped ship we wont get a new Vegas 2 and if we do wont be as good as it could have been
It's still pretty good, not having all the team, low budget and stuff.
They had more time,people and money for TOW, it's not a matter of that it's a matter of all good people leaving obsidian
the team that made outer worlds is not the same obsidian that made new vegas. it's like when people say id is great because they made doom and quake. it's not the same people at all, so expecting the same quality out of companies is pointless. companies don't make good games, people do. so learn who the talented devs are, and follow them. not the companies.
Except Doom 2016 was a really good game and doom Eternal will also be a very good game
@@mariobadia4553 i didn't say they couldn't still make good games. but the people who made doom 1 and 2 aren't the same people who made doom 2016. it's just the company name. just like how konami released both metal gear solid 3 and metal gear survive.
yes! good writers to start that allows for plot change due to choices. then programers /graphic artists with imagination that actually play games and allow different visual paths thru the enviroment
@@kirtschaefer8025 Vision and purpose > player freedom
Games should give you an experience worth playing, not leave it up to you to figure out how to have fun.
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 Wrong, I don't want to be told I'm having fun wrong, especially in an RPG of all things.
Outer Worlds seems to be a case of 'in the Land of the Blind, One-Eye is King'. It may be mediocre but it becomes 'good' compared to stuff like FO76, ME Andromeda and so on.
Damn I haven't heard that before, thats a damn good little proverb thing
Don't forget FO4
@JCDentonCZ That's not how the saying goes. It's "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".
@LAW dude, andromeda and fallout 4 are objectively bad trashfires. Comparing this game to those and calling it worse than two of the biggest let downs and most criticized shit shows in years just shows that you should probably find a different game.
If you really think andromeda and fo4 are better games, you shoold play them again and see how truly shitty each of them are.
At least this game has a vision. Andromeda and fallout 4 are contrived moneygrabs
Meanwhile Tim Willits at id Software: "We don't need other games to be bad for our game (Doom) to be good."
It's not that TOW is a bad game... it's just that I've already played New Vegas.
I don't think it's that good
new vegas gameplay is created by bethesda .. obsidian only created the story .. obsidian can never make a game that has a good gameplay .. thats why they went bankrupt making fallout
@@ksatriapembelakebenaran6257 New Vegas was way better than 3 in terms of roleplay.
@@ksatriapembelakebenaran6257 Fallout 1 and 2 had great gameplay for their genre and I'd argue that Outer Worlds has better gunplay than Fallout 4.
@@ksatriapembelakebenaran6257 They're pretty good at making games with turn based combat, they just chose not to this time.
Most of the core writers left obsidian. The obsidian people love isnt the one we have now. Also you cant throw the "from the creators of fall out" and not expect fan back lash when you deliver a sub par product.
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Even though compared to everything from Bethesda it's a masterpiece. It's a billion times better then garbage heap known as Fallout 4 add a trillion times better then the shitstain known as Fallout 76. Hell even Skyrim is extremely medicor in every degree( only reason people still play the damn games because of mods).
Mario Badia no it is not. It’s boring and empty. You can hate Bethesda al you want but fallout 4 has much more substance than TOW. Hell even Elder Scrolls Oblivion is a better game
@@sterkriger2572 Bethesda fanboy
@@mariobadia4553 well indeed Bethesda nowadays TES and Fallout survive because of the mod community, but now they fked it up
"Fallout New Vegas in space"
No. Just space. Specifically the one left in my wallet after buying it.
They should hire you for the obsidian writing department
why not pirate it? Unless you are on console then sorry :/
@Horrid Gamer smort
Maybe don't trust random articles from random sources, because they are the only ones who used that comparison not obsidian ^^
Yeah it was way to expansive lol
The reason Fallout NV was so good was because they had the writers of Fallout 1-2. (They left Obsidian years before the development of The Outer Worlds) A lot of NV was based on interplays Fallout 3 (They didn't get to release it because they no longer had the rights to the Fallout franchise) Fallout New Vegas was lightning in a bottle.
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@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 What?
Is funny that the creators of fallout are the ones who made the outer worlds and some minor writers of the originals were the ones who made Fallout NV
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 cringe
So your saying a few writers who honestly did minimal work on the fallout games to begin with compared to other writers (they were not the primary writers they were the highly replaceable b crew) coming from fallout is the reason obsidian was able to create such an amazing gem as New vegas? The literal 2 creators of fallout are the ones who came over for the outer worlds. So im not sure this tracks at all. ^^
Honestly, I don’t really like Obsidian.
I really loved their parent company, Black Isle, and I love New Vegas and the team that made it (Chris Avellone, Josh Sawyer, etc.) more than I love myself. But according to Chris once he left, the management was extremely terrible. A-lot of people that gave up their paychecks or worked overtime weren’t compensated by the boss initially (Chris, being the literal god he is, managed to eventually convince him with the aid of a higher-up), and the contracts they give to people that leave the company can be dickish and borderline unethical. (Chris, when he left, wasn’t allowed to disclose any information about their internal affairs, and was told that he couldn’t work on any other RPG’s)
I’m not saying that Obsidian is terrible per se, its games still have great designs and potential. But it still has pretty sketchy business practices, like a kinda ‘less bad’ Bethesda.
Let’s hope they’ll be under better management for future frontiers. Maybe they already are.
Oh and, The Epic Games Store sucks don’t @ me.
Socially Pessimistic I like your profile picture, your nickname, and I agree with your views.
Honestly at this point Bethesda doesn't really exist as it's own anymore; sense Zenimax fired the Bethesda founder, I just find Bethesda a puppet company to Zenimax.
@Famine i don't think you understand the word "literal" since Chris is literally not a god...
premier69 Depends on your religion
@Famine god is a human concept for a fucking fantasy action figure. BELIEVE me!
"The Outer Worlds" doesn't have "You like the sight of your own blood?!" voiceline. 0/10, Obsidian has officially lost the plot...
No romance options equals negative 2 mil in my book.
@@Elnegro.. besides like 3 games obsidian was never about romances
@@megamike15 The fallout franchise has always had rom options especially f2. You can literally sleep with a mother then while shes resting after the deed you can go across the hall and sleep with the daughter. So mate get of that Dmt and come back to reality.
@@Elnegro.. Really.... No. Obdisian games didn't need romances. That's BioWare's schtick, and in Obsidian games I found they always felt a bit forced. I'll take some good old-fashioned deep friendships over "sweet, I can bang anyone" any day of the week. BioWare have done a few good romances in their time, but they're about the only company to pull it off, though their talent at doing that has definitely gone downhill in successive titles.
Moreoever, the "romances" in Bethesda games have been absolute trash. I've had more meaningful relationship with my enchanted equipment in TES games than in any TES/Fallout game. A click-to-fuck interaction is the kind of shitty mods that gave Dragon Age mods a bad name.
@@AmstradHero Really yes. Nothing needs anything that's a stupid point. No one needs guns but peaple want guns, just like they do romance options. Romance options go way back in terms of fallout, and it never felt forced to me. You live in a wasteland, and you're a man. The romance options in f 1 and 2 usually had story implications for ex the 2 that I mentioned were a way to get a code to a safe, and to figure out how to end a mob boss, ofc sleeping with both is just a extra step. That said your felt forced bit doesn't seem logical at all. Don't see what Bethesda has to do with obsidian, but yeah Bethesda romances are pretty trash. Bethesda's romances aren't good for a number of reasons
1. They are forced
2. Do to then being forced they aren't done well
That said I'd take bad romance options over none any day, it makes no sense that my charcter a alpha male Chad isn't getting action.
Tbh, I think it's about expectations plus how they sold it.
This game is clearly more of a AA title instead of a AAA title. And with the small budget Obsidian had they wouldn't be able to do a whole lot with the game. But they still tried to sell it as a AAA title with the 60$+ and everything.
It's a decent game on its own, but i get the feeling that this is the type of game that's made to test the waters/prove its worth and then when the sequel comes around (if they make one) it'll be amazing.
THEY EXPLICITLY SAID IT WAS A AA GAME
@@mathewhuff1157 If you charge $60 for a game it also gets treated like a $60 game. Otherwise every publisher/developer could argue like this. FO76 was shit? "Oh well, it was only a AA game so it's not that big of an issue".
That's what I been thinking
True, AA.
RumbleFist
Umm... Except Fallout 76 was a AAA game.
You do realise Indie, AA and AAA are in reference to budget right not Quality?
Not only that But The Outer Worlds is fully worth £60. So what are you trying to argue?
I hate the way a lot of this game looks. I also hate the insipid, forced quirkiness and generally flippant tone the game has. Combat feels weightless, and while solving quests with a reasonable amount of agency is a plus, it's completely sabotaged by the fact that you likely aren't likely very invested in the first place.
Why should anyone take the game seriously when it doesn't take itself seriously?
They went too far with the goofy writing.
"Quirky"
Thank you! I used to love the occasional quirky moment, when that was the outlier. Now, I am so entirely sick of it, I feel a Pavlovian hate response whenever anything tries it.
Thankfully you and other reviewers are starting to say this.i never finished outer worlds, got bored.
I just stopped bothering with loot/exploring/secondary quests and went to finish main quest. Still was good game while it lasted.
Played on Supernova, difficulty didn't even sweeten it. The best way I can describe is that it was like wading through mud for entire game.
I finished but probably won't ever replay
It's boring as shit
thankfully, I don't see you praising fallout 4 is better then Outerworlds. cuse that's just going to start making no sense.
People also seem to completely forget that "Fallout New Vegas" was NOT the darling that the fans/internet claim it to be upon release. When it came out the consensus was that it was mostly inferior to Fallout 3 made by a developer known as a bug-fest studio who never finished their games. I don't truly understand where and when Fallout New Vegas suddenly became the "best" in the series.
Bethesda's reputation going down is part of it. Part of it is also some people went back and played the OG Fallouts after getting exposed to the franchise via 3 or NV and NV is much more consistent with the OG games in both theme, tone and locations. I don't know how many of the folks from No Mutants Allowed gave NV a shot but I'm sure they would've embraced it to spite Bethesda if nothing else. Also mods and community patches make it run better.
I love how people use The Outer Worlds as a tool to say that Bethesda is bad instead of actually providing reasonable critique. Thanks for finally letting me know I'm not alone in feeling that it's painfully mediocre.
There are plenty of videos exposing Bethesda's scummy practices
The outer worlds wasn't a huge big budget game, it wasn't fantastic, but it certainly was better than mediocre, it just wasn't FO:NV fantastic
yea i couldnt even finish it because it was too boring, but gotta respect tho for the amount of polish
Djinn Delacroix how about the fact that Fallout 4 manages to be even more mediocre with poor quests and writing even with a much larger budget? The Outer Worlds isn’t amazing, but it’s writing is far better than F4 and I honestly enjoy it more, I just hope Bethesda puts time into what matters for fallout rather than focusing on gunplay for the next title
@@skinnymulligan5210 You are proving my point. BTW, I'm not saying F4 isn't mediocre. Also, kind of silly to use the word "fact" when selling an opinion.
Are you me??? holy shit Ive never seen a review that takes the words outta my mouth.. right down to the firefly part lol
I'm you from the worst possible timeline where you become a UA-camr instead of a productive member of society.
I’m so glad to see someone else feel this way about the game. I kept seeing people rave about it and give 10 out of 10’s, but it just felt archaic to me, and I felt like I was waiting for it to get good but it barely changed from the beginning planet.
Ain't you that one bloke who talk about that hacker?
I never finished this game. Monarch was such a slog and while I found the setting and art style initially cool it faded fast.
Except Parvati, she was a really good character! Wish she wasn't the exception.
Monarch was where I quit it too lol.
Monarch is where the gunplay started feeling fun for me
Garrett Page I’ve played a little bit on Monarch and I’m starting to feel a bit burnt out already.
I quit on monarch after talking to rose in that one town. I just got angry from the cringe dialogue and repetitive gameplay I raged out and just uninstalled right then and there.
James IDK I truly wish I felt the same man 😔😔😔
"Maybe obsidian never had that touch"
New vegas, stick of truth, fallout 2, pillars of eternity 1 & 2, tyranny
I think your underselling them because you didnt like the outer worlds.
Don't forget KotOR 2.
He never said they’re bad: Just overrated (especially among Fallout fans).
pillars and tyranny are mediocre at best
this is also the thing why i hate people who just look at a little bit, instead of the whole picture. but humans be humans.
@@nate296 overrated my ass though. it's thanks to Bethesda for ruining the New Vegas 2 shit, and not saying just because of that, cuse there's definately a good chunk of falloff of people that probobly were planning to leave anyways some point or another.
I think this game will always stay in my mind. Not because it's so good but because I felt like this was the biggest scam ever. But also most importantly how hate against a company can make so many people believe that this game was actually good is the one of the most interesting psychological phenomena ever.
interesting indeed
I torrented it and barely enjoyed it, the sniping was kinda fun but story was awful and barely any variations in enemies
the virgin outer worlds vs The Chad Outer Wilds
It bothers me that both games are confused with eachother so much cause Wilds is genuinely a once in a generation gaming experience while Worlds is just another mediocre RPG.
@@MrEdit-ic7th not even good lol, is that how bad TOW is?
@@TheCapitalWanderer is not that bad, but for a Rpg it could be bigger, you can expand hours on second missions and explore the characters and humor who is in my opinion the key of why i love this game, but it could ve bigger in lore and in experience, better second missions (in this case companion missions that some are mid to bad in writing and in investing), a bigger history, a better weapon design and gunplay, and for me it's about it, i like the lore, i like the concept of the world and i like the charm of the game but you have to give your own shot to decide if is bad or good, don't expect a fallout, people love say that this is like fallout, fun fact, Isn't.
I think I misread the titles when getting the game 😭I just sat through a few hours of this woke trash
@@ChickenJoe-tq6xd How is it """woke""" when it takes such a lazy and superficial view?
Honestly if you’re gonna play a “space fallout” just download Star Wars KOTOR. The combat system isn’t that good but the story as well as quest placements feel so rewarding.
The fact that after just a month or two nobody is playing the game shows how overhyped this was. It’s very 2 dimensional, predictable, and repetitive. After an hour or two I was done. It’s just too boring. Pavarti was my favorite aspect
"It’s very 2 dimensional, predictable, and repetitive"
So just like New vegas?
Still playing since day 1 purchase.
@MrNahual2099 not as much as ME:A.
@MrNahual2099 Is this satire?
@MrNahual2099 all I understood was "waaah this video game has gay people in it waaaah!" my god you're such a snowflake
I pretty much agree with every point you make. I liked the game. It was fun and I happened to do a Fallout 4 playthrough up to the release of this game so I could compare and contrast (I do miss VATS and hardly ever used Outer World's slo-mo.) But I'll admit that I did have a "that's it?" kind of reaction at the end. I only saw the first trailer. I like to temper my expectations by only seeing one or two trailers for a game or movie. Just to gauge if I'm interested in something and, if I am, keep spoilers to a minimum. Considering the issue of malnutrition, which was actually nicely teased, we never really get to solve that problem. I honestly thought the botanical gardens would play a bigger role. They kind of solved one problem, the nutrients, so I figured the 2nd would be to find a suitable replacement for the fertilizer. Then finally getting around to owning enough land to actually physically plant fruits and vegetables for sustainable human life.
Whatever my complaints, I will say that I do find myself eager for a follow up. This was a good base to work off of. Obsidian got bought out by Microsoft so if there is a sequel, I can see myself buying an xbox just to play this.
Another nitpic I have. I like the helmet removal option so I can see characters but I wish there was something similar for the armor. I like the default costumes the characters had and, judging from your footage, you seem to have just given everyone the same bulky armor that I did. Which looks fine but kind of boring. I wish there was an option to change that.
I remember when this game came out. The hatred for Bethesda at its peak with Fallout 76, so everyone jumped on into The Outer Worlds to spite Bethesda. Obsidian has a great reputation, and I definitely went into this with open arms.
The problem is I was wanting a substitute to fallout. I think that bumps it up in some people's eyes with it giving people what they wanted at the time.
I just didn't feel it. Its not a bad game honestly, but I felt myself trying to force myself to like it more instead of actually loving it.
It is honestly pretty bad. Nobody is playing this game anymore
This definitely puts Avowed and the TOW expansion Peril on Gorgon into a new perspective. I hope those games are good, but I'm definitely going to lower my expectations moving forward.
I once see their dialogue screen, which basically the same as New Vegas, I'm go like "Yep, gonna be shitshow" andddddd it's worse
@@justnoob8141 Kind of odd to judge the game's quality by their dialogue menu, but if it works, it works.
@@justnoob8141 New Vegas is great though.
@@rafterman5072 it’s maybe good in your book, it’s just reskin Fallout 3 in my book and those system won’t aged well for an inch
@@justnoob8141 You can't possibly have played New Vegas for more than 5 hours and think it's just a "fo3 reskin"
I dont like Outerworlds because of its marketing.
"FROM THE STUDIO THAT BROUGHT YOU FALLOUT NEW VEGAS"
Just gives off this air of smugness that instantly markets their game as just as good, or better than New Vegas.
I remember hearing so many people saying good things about this game, from internet muckrakers, to endless Reddit posts. I then tried it, and was relatively... underwhelmed with it. The guns felt too similar, the weapon mods were boring, the status ailments barely did anything, the morality was obvious, character building was uninspiring, and free form exploration was relatively pointless since seemingly every single location was tied to a quest. I could write an entire paragraph or two on just how disappointing the arsenal was.
If you ask me, it’s no big mystery that the main reason for TOW’s success was it’s timing.
A massive downside for me is the world. In fallout I can wander around for hours just exploring side locations, reading terminals/notes, and stumbling upon cool things. Anything off the main path in this game just feels empty. For all their issues, Bethesda knows how to make interesting worlds.
Bloodlines was on the alpha version of the Source engine, the facial animations that engine was capable of were its' major selling point.
Once my initial "Wow" factor wore off, I also saw TOW as a mediocre and shallow game.
Honestly I'm glad I didn't have to pay for it in hindsight. Thanks GamePass!
I can't agree with the criticism of the NPCs not blinking. The whole time you gave that rant the NPCs blinked roughly once every 10 seconds, which isn't less than people I know blink... Or even myself. No idea why you included that...
Its just... fire, chemicals call that stuff and when the character isn’t in shock and talking in a tense voice for tension having them take their time to blink seems a bit weird
I honestly didn’t know they did blink, just maybe speed it up a bit for when the tension is there so they’re always a bit where it’s not like a mannequin pretending to be human and having to remember to blink
Like the first person I notice blink was the guy who does the paper work and is on the planet that is off limits, I don’t look at their eyes all that much but usually tend do during tense moments in game like ‘oh raiders are attacking’ or ‘everything around me is burning and we need to save as many civilians as we can’
Like it just seemed the eyes never blinked, maybe a expression of wrinkles to distract? It worked in fallout 1-2-brotherhood-tactics it should work here too
Reminded me of the reporter from red faction 2 with the barley blinking bit but I swear he blinked or at least seemed more animated in a tense moment
That's because he showed a some what important character, usually anyone with a one off side quest barely moves anything around their eyes and at most do a half blink. Only main characters were animated decently, but its still super awkward.
He means NPC's dont blink when they wear a helmet.
Very interesting to watch this video and read these comments. As someone who typically has a hard time getting into these games, I thoroughly enjoyed my time with Outer Worlds and its world-building. The hyperbolic and satirical dialogue was a fresh change from many games that take themselves super seriously. The only deduction I can really come up with is that, since I had no prior experience with Fallout games, I didn't come in with a particular expectation. And maybe that's why I enjoyed my playthrough so much. For what it's worth (and at the risk of being crucified), I started playing FNV afterwards and genuinely couldn't get 30 minutes in because it felt so dated. Obviously that's not nearly enough of a sample size to have a real opinion on the game, but suffice to say that I'll slot myself into the apparent minority on this one.
Sound like a casual tbh. This game is pretty snack sized compared to better RPGs. Especially the bethesda games.
probably why you enjoyed it. Gameplay still holds up great IMO.
Bethesda may have its faults and all but FO4 is still more popular and better-received than TOW these days.
Yeah, Bethesda gets a lot of shit, but in the long term, its their games that have lots of replay value and lots of content underneath the surface.
I can't honestly say FO4 is better
@@gh0rochi363 I can. FO4 was _the_ most lazily written Fallout game, bar perhaps Brotherhood of Steel. The customization system ended up crippling both item variety (despite its intention to do the opposite) and rendering unique weapons uninteresting. The dialogue system was unmitigated garbage, and the removal of the skill system rendered everything aside from combat puddle-deep. The head of PR's default response to any criticisms was to namecall and insult people.
It was _still_ better than TOW, by sheer virtue of making me feel things. TOW was so aggressively mediocre, the only emotional response it ever elicited from me was exasperation about how ham-fisted the writing was.
@@passingrando6457fallout 4 actually has some pretty decent moments. Including some really decent companions, fun if slightly cheesy dialogue, and probably my favorite weapon system in any game, It doesn’t make sense but what it lacks in realism is makes up for in fun.
@@jackcouch8322 I can agree on all of those except the last one. Post-modding, it's great, but the base game lacks variety and the modding system is dragged down by most weapons having a "best" mod for each slot.
The character writing is indeed fun. Each companion is unique, all are fairly likable (albeit Strong is Morrigan from Dragon Age levels of irritating in regards to approval points), and Nick and Cait's companion quests in particular are very compelling. The bootleg Mass Effect dialogue system itself is my gripe on that. Oh, and I just remembered Presto Gravy after typing most of this. He,'s boring and flat, and I usually end up sealing him in a cuckshed in the middle of a swamp or something.
I feel like a lot of Outer World fans are like Anthem or early No Man's Sky fans were. They get angry when you criticize the game because they spent so much time BEFORE launch hyping it up, and now they feel foolish that the game turned out a lot less than they were saying it would be.
It's not a bad game, but it sure ain't a very good one either. It passes the time, but it's very, very "meh".
Cut No Man's sky some Slack, After the backlash, they buckled down and started fixing it
It's all opinion lad
I really regret paying $60 for this one. If Obsidian and the apologists want to defend them as being a smaller studio, then they should charge smaller studio prices. This games isn’t terrible, but I personally find it extremely dated, and lacking in meaningful content that is dragged down to an extra degree by being extremely easy, having minimal variety, and a very boring one not setting without the interesting characters and factions of past Obsidian titles and other RPGs. Just my two cents.
Yeah. It’s not really all that good when you mention a game that was supposed to be some big “masterpiece,” and when you talk to someone about the game not even half a decade after it came out and their response is “oh, yeah, I remember that one. I think I remember playing it.”
@@Joe-my6go Stop falling for the trap of pre-release hype, thats either diehard fanboys or a marketing department for a multi million dollar company hyping you up and over selling it. Not the devs and not the game. Some of the best games have had little to no hype prior to release, some of the worst had the most hype ever..(shots fired cyberpunk). Just stop going into games with prior set expectations and you will both enjoy more games more often and not be disappointed as often.
@@ZedNull. Pre-release hype was the exact reason why i waited for a week and looked up all the popular UA-cam reviewers before I bought the game. Literally everyone of them said that this is such an awesome game so I trusted them since they had first hand experience with the game.
@@DevlVergil ok? its also the reason why hundreds of thousands of people were extremely upset when cyberpunk 2077 came out, the same could be said for no mans sky although they did manage to fix that one eventually. the exception doesnt make the rule and its bad for gaming as a whole for the community to be pandered to by marketers using literal psychological triggers learned from years of manipulation, only interested in getting you into pre-ordering a game or buying an upgraded game version that either may or more likely may not live up to the hype. Devs may be passionate about their game, but advertisers and marketers are only interested in the bag, and thats the people conducting the hype train.
@@DevlVergil right, the hype worked on you. whats your point? they have years of practice and multiple millions of dollars to throw at making sure their tactics work its not surprising the hype functioned correctly. The negatives come with OVERHYPE not just pre-release hype in general. Overhyping used to cripple games and rightfully so, dont write checks you cant cash right its deceptive practice. Now overhyping is becoming the new standard. its bad for everyone involved besides the company left holding the bag of cash. We as a gamer community for the sake of gaming should stop falling for/not caring about deceptive practices like overhype or like the no mans sky developer just bold face lying. Our money makes or breaks these companies and we hold the power to hold them accountable.
"NPCs barely blink..."
*shows footage where NPCs blink every 3 seconds*
Are you sure? It really looked like he only blinked once a minute... whereas in the New Vegas footage I could see reasonable levels...
They blink when you blink Everytime.
the game feels like a dumbed down F:NV, making it way too easy, and giving you ''choices'' that mostly don't even matter because the npc's are braindead, it's an ok game, it's still an overpriced overrated game
FINALLY, I was starting to worry I'd gone mad with all the insane amounts of praise and 9/10s this game was getting.
There's not a single thing this game does that is above average, bland gameplay, mediocre graphics, repetitive environments and assets so that every single location looks the same, even the writing that everyone praises is bloated and boring 90% of the time.
They started by saying hey lets parody late stage capitalism, and they never moved past that, that's literally all there is to the story and nearly every side quest.
The weirdest thing is that there are almost no negative reviews anywhere, especially on UA-cam..
Fallout 4 was better.
To me Obsidian lost its touch after Pillars of Eternity 1, the sequel poe2 had a less cohesive story, characters that regressed in their storyline and several unfinished companions.
I couldn't play POE 2 more than 8 hours.
> every character quest is forgettable
That seems to be the new Obsidian standards of writing, lmao. I remember how godawfully dull were almost all quests of Pillars of eternity, where the whole plot of the first game was essentially a shaggy dog story that in the end god scrapped and repeated again. To top the dullness, in the first game Eder was looking for "why did his brother abandoned his nation and joined holy crusade", but in the second game, while standing in presence of instigator of that crusade, he forgot about it!
Old Obsidian's writing always was sharp as nails, characters spoke in concise but very impactful words, and the end of the quest brought significant changes in all parties involved. In latest games, it seems that the writers decidedly do their characters as mellow and unassuming as possible and the quests often have almost no resolution at the end (shaggy dog story all over again.)
The whole point of Eder's quest in PoE1 was that some times you don't get the answers to your questions and Eder had to make his peace with that lack of closure.
What you said about Obsidian at the end of the video was perfectly spot on. The industry somehow grew to be excited about a developer who literally just made games out of the scraps and assets of a well established franchise.
Personally I prefer Kotor 1 instead of 2, and I'm one of the minorities who also prefer Fallout 3 instead of New Vegas (actually Fallout 1 & 2 are the better ones, but that's another subject).
Anyway, Kotor 2 for me was like a bigger version of the first one, with unrealized ideas and an extreme lack of focus. We've got that content restoration mod and all, but I don't think making a game big even bigger and more convoluted is the answer.
Also with New Vegas: it's Fallout 3 with a big chunk of empty deserts between points of interest, with more bugs as much as gameplay hours. I know about all the fafle between them and Bethesda, but again, it's the same story as with Kotor 2 all over again. So everytime a project they do come out as so-so, will we blame the publishers? Ok then, so what about when they actually do a game of their own, like Alpha Protocol and Outer Worlds? Your video right here is the answer.
I'm convinced anyone who says fallout new vegas's map is "an empty desert" hasn't actually played the game, it's the default hate point for fo3 fanboys who are upset someone else made a superior game in pretty much every aspect with the same assets.
There are literally more locations in FNV than in Fo3, you can hardly walk for over 2 minutes without encountering a new location. The majority of which actually have some quests attached unlike fo4
@@haywoodjblome4768 This just proves you haven't played Fallout 3...
@@gregwestmen4902 It was my first fallout, I love it
@@haywoodjblome4768 Yes there are more locations in F:NV than in FO3 just not more interesting ones off the beaten path. There's better distribution of loot and weaponry in FO3 making you wanna explore more. Many of the weaponry in NV is available on the Gun Runners store.
@@vjbd2757 You said NV is an empty desert. Everything else doesnt matter bud.
IMO. The Outer Worlds is perfectly enjoyable on its own. It’s just that the hype and Obsidian’s previous work with New Vegas (Where they had a pre made engine, assets, different people working on it,and mountains of pre-established lore to work with. Instead of making an entire game from scratch.) really worked against them by overhyping their abilities.
more likely the hype ruined the experience, people still believe they gonna create a New Vegas 2 when the IP is in Bethesda hands
@Kraigh Knairy Kinda hard to say it's the customer's fault when the marketing was implicitly trying to hype the game over FO:NV
The reason why everything stops moving while talking in fnv was an engine limitation. (which got resolved in Skyrim) Why would they emulate that, is beyond me
They went for the “Member that? Ohh I Member” they also did it with the low intelligence as well.
Honestly I kind of like it. I guess something so nitpicky doesn't really bother me.
Sometimes in FO4 I wish dialogue stopped time
I just got to tarturus and completed the game the first time in about close to 16 to 18 hours at most and liked it but wanted more it was more like new vegas lite it felt like it needed more in it and the dialogue was awesome but i still think their couldve been more flair i dont know im not a game reviewer but i at least completed it
This was about 2 months ago
@XAndroid1 sweet i wonder if its one of those other planets like hephastus
I'd summarize it like this: corners were cut pretty much everywhere, but they were cut carefully without outright ruining the whole thing and therefore... it just works. It does what it has to do, no more, no less.
Brilliantly mediocre.
Great video as usual, keep up the good work!
obsidian's "it just works" is an example of how to actually cookie cut without ruining a game.
FNV's facial animations were based on Fallout 3's. So what you're saying is that Bethesda makes better facial animations than Obsidian?
It's not like every single game has better animations than Bethesda's. Once in a while even Bethesda animations are better than others.
@@mikeryan1043 But Obsidian made this game as an improvement on Fallout. Shouldn't it have better animations than a game that came from an earlier time?
@@HolyknightVader999 Oh definitely. I'm not praising Bethesda's animations. And that TOW's animations are worse than a 12 year old Bethesda game isn't that great.
@@mikeryan1043 Which is why this so-called Fallout killer can't even pass muster against 3. Let alone their former masterpiece New Vegas.
@@HolyknightVader999 I don't disagree. I'm not even a huge Fallout fan so TOW doesn't earn any points for the "fallout killer" marketing in my book. The biggest disappointment for me is how bland the level design and how boring the gameplay looks. Overall not awful but it screams mediocrity.
New Vegas questing didn't feel shallow, the story was interesting and at the time i played it, Fo4 was just announced so I got hyped.
I got TOW expecting a good space fallout but story feels shallow, characters are meaningless. They really dropped the ball with this game, its trying too hard to be "better than Fo4, like us cause we made FNV" and it actually fails to do that.
I mean, i played FNV twice in a row, right after i finished it, i started a new game in NV, but TOW i can barely play for more than 30-40 minutes, it just gets boring and either i get distracted by something else or just get sleepy and I've actually fall asleep in the couch playing this game...
Damm shame, i only wish i could resell the game but i got it digital on ps4...
As someone who played both Pillars of Eternity games alongside Tyranny, Obsidian CAN make really good original projects, with the Outer Worlds they just didn't for some reason.
PoE games are amazing. Recently gave Tyranny a try and it's also very good. Can't say I liked the character models too much, but everything else was fantastic.
guess which one did better commercially tho (i love pillars series but i think this was just like a solid thing they thought they could make money off of)
Outer Worlds felt like a great base of a game that was given to terrible writers and the devs forgot to add more things to it.
while tyranny is better then pillars setting wise it still has alot of issues.
They just try to remake New Vegas with different setting, ignoring the fact that New Vegas use like half or most of 3 asset
"Private Division"
Stay away from this company.
*Stay away from this company.*
If we're doing comparisons Fallout 4 was overall a much more enjoyable than the Outerworlds but even so Pillars 2 is one of the best RPGs I've ever played so maybe this was just Obsidian faltering under the pressure of making a spiritual successor to F:NV, really looking forward to Avowed though!
This was the most disappointing game experience I've had in a while. I'm struggling to point to a single thing about it that I liked.
Glad I bought it on sale, 'cause it sure isn't worth much.
You can definitely tell the FNV writers left before this game was made.
The fun in this game is as dead as the eyes of its npc's.
I personally had more fun in fo76 because it's core gameplay loop is great unlike ToW
We party whoop whoop.
Edit: The combat and the story are my main complaints really. The story was great imo but just too short and the combat well it felt like FO4 combat but somehow worse.
"From the Developers of Fallout: New Vegas" but isn't made by Josh Sawyer, John Gonzalez, and Chris Avellone. So, not from the developers of New Vegas, but from the Developers of Fallout 1. False Advertising.
i think its important to mention that josh sawyer and chris avellone (the lead designers of fnv) were absent on this one
Not only that but they worked on a much better true successor to Fallout: Wasteland 2. Which also takes place in Nevada.
@@kiiwikiori7542 Bud I think you're thinking of Brian Fargo.
Dude you nailed it with pointing out how most of Obshitions work was based off the template/hard work of original creators.
Fallout NV and KOTOR2 are glorified mods of their previous games....and they still came out unfinished.
I started playing it last week. Too early for me to make a firm opinion but I’m not expecting it to be New Vegas, but as a first game in a new IP it shows a good amount of potential.
So when you mentioned friends you made along the way coming in the final battle. It made me realize, this is Obsidian's bread and butter.
I recently got back into Knights of the Old Republic 2. That game came out in 2004 and the ending climatic battle has the factions you sided with from the various planets coming to your aid.
I checked their other games and the same thing happens in Alpha Protocol, Southpark The Stick of Truth, Tyranny, and I may be missremembering but I think something on a smaller scale happens in Dungeon Siege III.
Someone else will have to confirm if it happens in Never Winter Nights 2 and Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2 for me.
If this is true for the above three games that means the ONLY game this kind of ending doesn't appear in is in Skyforge, which is listed as an MMO they only collaborated in.
it happens in nwn 2's oc it's 3rd act even feels like a proto dragon age as your gathering allies to beat a big threat.
It's almost like a cliche now. Factions you've helped showing up at the final battle. It's like Bioware and their time-skips. It's a good cliche, though-it shows your accomplishments in a meaningful manner.
@@HolyknightVader999 obsidian has just as many cliches as bioware does.
a reputation system
party that hates eachother.
the villain being alot more grey then the game lets on.
the story being more a personal journey.
masks being a reoccuring theme.
and factions playing a role in the story.
@@megamike15 Basically. Not to mention the fact that it all ends up being a final battle where your allies that you made along the way show up to support you. In KOTOR 2, the people you helped on Dantooine and Onderon will show up to help you fight the Sith forces. In New Vegas, groups like the Boomers, the Brotherhood, and the Enclave will pitch in for the side you chose.
Man based on the original reviews and my own experience with the game I thought I was going crazy for not liking this game. I’m a massive fan of obsidian but this is the first game of theirs I’ve never finished
Man I sure got disappointed with the ending of the game
It's like:
-Yeah so they arrested Sheldon Cooper and we gotta bail him out
-Ok, let's do that
--You bail him out in a sceneraio where literally every faction you helped, somehow knows you are there, and decides they are gonna help you even tho there's literally no reason for them to do so or gain anything out of it, they just do because... I dunno, the power of friendship
-You bail Sheldon Cooper out
-Cool, what now?
-Credits roll
-Wha-?
I’m still amazed at how bad they managed to make UE4 look. They really crippled the render engine here. Very mediocre on a visual level for sure
lmao true
I'm more amazed at how bad they made Unreal 4 run on AMD GPUs with this game.
New Vegas: Truth is...the game was rigged from the start.
Outer Worlds: Oh, your finally wake!
New Veags: Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Outer Worlds: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
New Veags: Ave, True to Ceaser!
Outer Worlds: ??????????????????
New Vegas: War....War never changes.
Outer Worlds: Everyone, lived happily ever after. Fiñ!
With the shoulder-shots in dialogue, I'll defend them a little bit by pointing out what Fallout 4 did wrong: In Fallout 4, the game suffered quite a bit from trying to have conversation be something that happened almost exclusively in real-time in full-view. For example, you might have a conversation in a dark area where it's hard to see who you're talking to. This also prioritizes being able to navigate through a conversation more quickly, which is a small contributor to the dialogue wheel.
The other two reasons why you have the dialogue wheel would be that those complicated animations cost money to make (so each dialogue option they give you costs them more money than it normally would), and the protagonist is voiced (probably because everyone was complaining about silent protagonists at the time).
On a tangent: The protagonist being voiced is the biggest contributor to F4's poor dialogue system. For one, voice acting costs money, but the big thing is "redundancy". A big part of the reason why you can't read out your whole line of dialogue in F4 is because it would make the voice acting redundant: You've already read what they're about to say, so there isn't much of a point in hearing them repeat it verbatim. How this problem is often solved is by having it so the player doesn't know exactly what their character will say.
The portrait conversations of Outer Worlds are intended to make it so you can clearly see who you're talking to and have no distractions. It's not necessarily the right call, but they did make it with intention for a reason other than nostalgia.
You know for people that complain about the dialogue system in Fallout 4 you do point out the actual issues with it, beyond just having 4 dialogue choices.
My short review of Outer Worlds:
+- 30% of the corps are good/ok ( msi/sublight) rest are stupid.
+ Ok story
+ Ok companions
- Lack of ranged weapon variety. No sub machine guns, no laser shotguns, no gatling guns or laser gatlin guns/lmgs or laser snipers. (Bullet weapons modded to fire plasma are not pure plasma/energy weapons, just lazy.)
- no rocket launchers or hand grenades
- Lack of human enemy variety. Bandits and corporate. All corporate wear the same armors re-colored, expect the sublight.
- corporate never fights against bandits
After completing all the main quests in monarch I decided that a bullet to the face was a more convincing argument in a persuasion check so I resolved my problems that way to get the story rolling a little faster. This game was incredibly milquetoast.
Yeah, the "choices" the game offers are so crappy I just ended up waging all-out war on whatever corporation is on Byzantium (I don't care enough to look it up) I hate the scientist, but I'm also not going to murder civilizations for the Corp, so...
The problem isn't that it's exactly like FNV and that doesn't hold up. That's such an ignorant "newer and shinier is always better" midwit take. The problem is that FNV is leagues ahead of it. It's a regression instead of an advancement.
Finally someone saying this
Actually, there were mixed reviews from the get-go.
@@Sapsche all i heard was blind praise
ylikes
this is actually the 3rd review i have seen calling it mediocre.
@@lucasstruna3962 True. The major youtubers praised it to heaven, then probably stopped playing after a week and completely forgot about it.
I really disliked how the ammo system worked in this game, being limited to just three ammo types really limited my use of weapons.
I kept thinking there was gonna be different kinds of ammo o couple put in each slot but that never happened. Maybe it was planned at one point based in how the UI is but it's just lame how it is now.
I get the impression TOW was a tightly budgeted proof of concept for Obsidian and Microsoft. That'd explain why Microsoft immediately pushed it on their Game Pass. I can't review the game too harshly, given that I played it for next to nothing.
Incredibly well said. I wish there was one or two lines that stuck out the most, but I was basically nodding my head with what you said the entire video and really appreciate the nuanced criticism of how this game can't be called terrible or awful by any means, but it does feel mediocre and disappointing due to excessive hype. Really this game could've been made by Ubisoft or EA and nobody would've known any different because the current Obsidian that made this is a shell of its former self and far past its glory days of old...
The Obsidian that made KOTOR 2 doesn't exist anymore.
Feminist diversity hires took over
Kotor 2 is still shit.
Kotor 1 though 🔥
@@manz7860 KOTOR 2 is the better game.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 Obshition never even bothered to finish it lmao
What really broke this game for me was a moment in my last session, and the way I resolved the Edgewater dilemma. I had already beaten the game once a while ago, around launch, and figured I'd fire it up again to kill some time. I was having a good time, managed to build a strong sniper build that could one or two shot most humanoid enemies, etc. On my last playthrough, I redirected the power to Edgewater, and figured that this time I should do the opposite in order to see the difference. When I came back to Edgewater, I failed the speech check to get Reed to call off his guards, and as soon as I went to grab the power converter, a firefight ensued that eventually pulled in most of the town. The bad part? Parvati was still in my party. This sweet little girl, who earlier begged for me to reconsider my decision in order to save Edgewater, now had no problem running in, LMG in hand, and No Russian-ing her whole hometown, all because some stranger fell from the sky and pissed them off.
Can’t wait to pick up the same rifle over and over for 12 hours
And shooting the same lizard and robots
Obsidian are like modders, they listen to the community and implement it. But for a new IP idk
Yeah, that's what I think, they need to "leeching" other game to be success
It should've been an extremely obvious warning sign when they came out and said that the game was only going to be released on the Epic Games Store for the first year.
Not really. Outer wilds was too and that's a great game
I'm not so much enamored with the type of player choice that lets you complete a quest in different playstyles as I am with the type that lets you control a quest's outcome and then see it impact the world from then on - like in New Vegas when you have to choose where to reroute the power at Helios One, or whether to activate Archimedes, or the choice of helping/sabotaging the ghouls departing in rockets, or the choice to defend/assassinate president Kimball, approaching the event of his visit from different angles of different factions. Objective events, subjective approaches, and control over the outcomes, based on who the player roleplays at. That's the kind of player choice I want. Too bad The Outer Worlds was so underwhelming in this respect.
Shame NV never got official support for continuing the story after the battle of Hoover Dam. So we can actually explore the consequences of our decisions.
Same for fallout 4. Love seeing the brotherhood cleaning out the commonwealth well after the institute is destroyed.
everyone wanted another new vegas. nobody got another new vegas, a lot of people just dont want to admit that.
I blame the New Vegas Fanboy's (not fans, the fanboy's, you know who I'm talking about) for overhyping the game and putting obsidian on a pedestal just because.
Aaron Laughter Finally! Someone who's agree with me!
yeah i hate games where characters just kind of move their head around slightly in dialogue scenes, i think one think cyberpunk did really well is your character would gesture (put their arms on the table, etc) while the person would talk to you, it felt like a human conversation instead of just oblivion-style camera zooms
Glad to hear some balanced review, there are too many other reviewers overpraising and overhyping this game. Sometimes I genuinely asking whether they have double standards or not.
The sad truth is that it's no longer possible to make a good triple-A game. The rot in the industry relating to politics is simply unable to be overcome. Just as the most obvious example, even as under-characterized as the Legion was in New Vegas, by current standards, that characterization would be deemed far too sympathetic.
I like Fallout 4 and love Fallout 3. There I said it.
The shooting and level design feel very bare bones and cheap. If the gameplay loop was fun i could let it slide alot more but it became a chore to get through towards the end.
I also was not a fan of the over arching industrialist theme, I'd have preferred a more traditional space colony theme than the willy wonka-esque borderlands we got.
Wow
Now that it’s been a while people are actually agreeing that this game is…
Eh.
Remind me of Force Awakens. Everybody said it's awesome at first, then they realized it was actually mediocre.
Bolek Lolek everyone just called me a contrarian ass when I said “ehh it’s not that fun” when this came out lmao
@@Golemoid The force awakens sucked.
Game quality ceiling dropped so low in the past few years, any middling, decent game is praised as OH LAWRD CUM AYMEN.
It was good. It wasn't great, but I really enjoyed myself for at least 30 hours. I found the dialogue to be hilarious. You are seriously underselling it. It's solid, probably 7/10.
Game is so boring dropped it after 2 hours
People keep telling me that this isn't just New Vegas with a fresh coat of paint. But I played it for the first hour and literally went, "Hey, starting town is just Goodsprings again". Thank you for not being one of those people who acts like this is just the shining jewel on Obsidian's tarnished crown.
Naw everyone who ACTUALLY follows obsidian knows that jewel is Tyranny
I think that saying Outer Worlds is an attempt at reliving the glory days of New Vegas is doing a disservice to New Vegas. If they had made just "New Vegas but IN SPACE!" it would've been great. New Vegas still stands up to this day, Outer Worlds has already aged poorly.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was underwhelmed with TOW.
I just didn’t understand what everyone was raving about, and was embarrassed to admit that I liked fallout 4 so much more.
I know it’s silly to care what other people think about the game but I thought I wasn’t playing the right way, because the story just didn’t suck me in. In my opinion It’s not a bad game, it’s just over hyped.
I love how my question going into this wasnt: "why is the game mediocre?"
No
It was, "why is Immortan Joe in the thumbnail?"
Dude thank you so much. I always tell people that 90% of the work was done for Obsidian for the games they developed that were deemed as good games and how companies constantly have to force them to finish games. Worst thing is people will make excuses for why these things happened or act like no other company could have did what they did.
Bland, boring, way to easy. 90% talking/reading/fetch quests 10% shallow combat
Not much variation in enemies either it’s like robot, lizard or human
Imagine not being able to throw grenades in a modern shooter
@@DevlVergil maybe obsidian needed a better game developer to implement code to throw grenades without equipping them.....they did the same shit with fallout new vegas.
You have to equip grenades specifically to throw them
Mass Effect 1 came out in 2007 and had ragdoll physics as well as throwable items like grenades. Biotic powers can make enemies float around, and explosive ammo weapons deliver a kickback that sends them flying. All in 2007. More than a decade before Outer Worlds. Also, the time-dilation thing they had here was also in Mass Effect 2, where adrenaline rush gave you a bullet time effect that slows down time and allows you to kill enemies at your leisure. Mass Effect 2 came out in 2010. Outer Worlds came out October 2019, 12 years after ME1 and 9 years after ME2. Damn, they got lazy........
your just relining this now.
@@megamike15 No, I wanted to say this the whole time.
@@Fredfreddyfred Good. As it should be.
This is the one critical look at the game I felt was in good faith. You raise lots of good points and I see why you find it...less than stellar.
It's honestly surreal to look back on how many people used this game to attack Bethesda, yet pretty much every Bethesda RPG blows this mess out of the fucking water (Yes, even Fallout 76)
At the end, my stealth build was a strange fit for the last mission. Didn't recognize my allies so I ended up shooting and killing all of them as well. Oops 🤷
Something just hit me after comparing KOTOR 2 and New Vegas, when you mentioned the ending of Outer Worlds as "the Third Battle for Hoover Dam." Having a final battle where all your friends show up while you fight through mobs of enemies is basically the signature way Obsidian knows how to end big RPGs. They've done this back in KOTOR 2. In KOTOR 2, you get to assault multiple waves of Sith at the endgame. Your allies from Dantooine and Onderon (whichever faction you helped in taking over those worlds) will help you drive them back from Citadel Station, then invade their flagship and kill the head honcho Sith before going to Malachor V and wiping out their sloppy seconds. It's the same as in New Vegas: you march from your camp, picking up your old friends that you cultivated from the story along the way, be they Enclave troopers, Brotherhood Paladins, or Boomers with a bombing plane, you guys drive back enemies starting with those closest to your location, and you push through level after level of enemies that are supposedly high-tier, but by that point, you've upgraded to the point where you can slaughter whole platoons of them with a click of a mouse. Then you get to the head bad guy wearing a mask, be it Darth Nihilus for KOTOR 2, or Legatus Lanius for New Vegas. They're supposed to be this big scary guy who decimates whole whole civilizations/tribes, but if you've properly leveled, you can kick their asses easy. My Jedi character can mind-wipe Nihilus and make him docile for a good minute or two, while my Courier can slaughter Legatus Lanius in a swordfight while wearing a ball gown or nothing but her underwear. Outer Worlds wasn't the second time they did this-it was the third, at least if you count KOTOR 2 along with New Vegas.
HolyknightVader999 I remember Dragon Age 2 when you fight The Templar leader, ALL companions joining you beat the living shit out of her
It's literally all the bioware endings aswell if you think about it.
@@hawken796 Not for KOTOR 1 or Mass Effect 1. It's only your party and some random redshirts on your side,
It was totally worth the $1 subscription fee for Game pass!
All the outer world's has to say is "Ha ha corporations dumb dumb mkay?" and that's about it.
In terms of writing quality obsidian is a fucking husk of what it used to be. Even pillars of eternity 2 had bunch of terrible writing in it.