@@allanb3222 definitely they are very close, but sizing is the only downside I see. Although you get a drill and no air hosewith the cordless so that’s the upside!
As a mechanic, pain in the ass hose is right! Scuffage, always dirty, prone to leak. Maintenance on the compressor, draining water, oil, belts, large power consumption with horrible efficiency. Think about all the heat generated. It's wasted power and energy. No need for large units anymore for too much longer anyway. We still need them for tires, and other stuff, but this is the future. I need to get rid of all my air tools and replace them!
You’re probably right, more likely in near future we’ll see a downsize of compressors with a few smaller units, instead of these monster units with complex air systems running all over.
Don’t forget trip hazard. The initial switch to mostly electric tools was expensive but I don’t regret it. The freedom of not being tethered to an air line is priceless.
Old school mechanic here, really not quite impressed with Milwaukee packouts system, especially trying to store automotive tools in packout after packout. First off the packouts is a good concept but to big and bulky. If Milwaukee is going to make more tools & packouts for the automotive industry, what they need to work on is a packout system for there wrenches. Or just make a 4 drawer tool box carry on like kobalt 4 drawer tool box and have the opening top when your looking in the ratcheting wrenches, like the concept opening top of the Gearwrench 232pc. And the opening flip top would be molded inside for your combination wrenches. And for the 4 drawers would be labeled for each drawer 1/2in drawer. 3/8in drawer, & 1/4in drawer sockets, and your forth drawer would be for extension, tork bit sockets, and e-tork sockets. But hay thats just my opinion.
Couldn’t agree more, definitely focused on trades getting in and out of the truck to start so build to be really tough but also bulky, we do think they’re seeing the potential in automotive and they seem to be focused on expanding here. There’s a real potential to change the traditional mechanics tool box into something more customizable but still high quality.
Hopefully with new batteries we could see something but runtime might be a concern as well even if it had power. Something with different heads for needle scaler and other functions. We will get there eventually.
As a mechanic my air tools are collecting dust I only use the compressor to bleed brakes apart from that the hose is gone! I use both M18 and M12 and love them both the air line is pretty much redundant! I have packout at home and love it but unfortunately just not practical as a tech in the workshop
Rather use a light weight pneumatic impact gun and some jobs i rather use a pneumatic die grinder but other than that i agree cordless all the way oh and cutoff wheel
I have lost acces to the garage where I used to do my routine auto maintenance, as well as, more serious auto mechanical repairs as needed. I am looking for transportable option of Corless Power tools to do these and other types of repairs I can keep at my apartment and transport to another garage where I need my own tools and am starting from scratch to build a piecemeal cordless tool arsenal.
Oh man.. Starting over is never fun for anyone financially, tool wise its a blast though! There are so many options that I can't simply list in a comment section here! Also would like to know your exact needs. Give us a quick call 614-481-2111 and we'll be more than happy lending a hand. We also have some financing options for you too if needed.
Problem is that cut off wheel... has no ass behind it... it's great when air is not around but compared to air tools (just doing this oh the side not everyday) I was not impress it stalls out way too easy... maybe the HO batteries will help be interesting to see but...
@@0MattAttack The 6-in grinder is not a die grinder... I'm talking about the die grinder. You're not going to get a 6-in grinder behind a bench seat to cut a bolt which is rusted and spinning under the cab. You are going to get a die grinder I have a right angle one a straight one would have worked better but same thing. I have one the grinders I think it's a four and a half to five maybe I don't know if the top of my head I honestly have never used it got it during the home Depot glitch on buy more save more.
@@mattlane2282 ive got the 90° die grinder aswell. Its built for burrs and flat faced rollocks. Trying to use it for thin edged cutting itll trigger the spin shutter shutoff which makes alot of sense when actually using burs cus its a grip and jump motion that could damnage a work peice 😂 ive used mine to bevel edges and corners in ar plate to prep for welding works mint 👌 tool youre wanting is a compact hand held jig saw with metal cutting blades. Theyll flex with in under the bolt head.
@@0MattAttack an air powered tool would have no problem cutting a bolt You're not going to fit a jig behind a bench seat. Funny enough I just ordered a jig lol 😁
We had some questions here as well. As it was explained to us, while these cells do maintain the same size 18x65mm (of 18650 cells) my understanding is they are able to pull more power out than traditional 18650 cells without overheating. These allow the battery packs to have more peak power similar to performance we might expect from packs using 21700 cells. Obviously 5.0 is less than 6.0 so in terms of runtime on say the M12 rocket light it will be 1Ah less. Compact tools that want to draw a lot of power, such as a cut-off tools, die grinders or saws is where these batteries will hopefully shine, when there are power demand spikes where the tool wants to bog down there will deliver more peak watt output. Again that's the theory we haven't gotten to test them, also started somewhat skeptical. Why we say these are most exciting is because it could open up some new doors, what sort of performance will these have with smaller sanders, does this open up needle scalers or the equivalent of an "air hammer" in future.
I speculate the cells are 2500mah, ultra high current cells, vs the 3000mah high current cells. I also believe the highest capacity batteries using Sony VTC 6. Unsure on their use of the ultra high current variety that makes the HO packs. I've read they may be Samsung 25r.
@@georgesrisomsak9650 i love to know what cells they are using as well the xc 4.0 uses Samsung 25R while the xc 6.0 use Samsung 30Q like those were used in the M18 9Ah they were great battery but the bms fail pre maturely is there anyone at Milwaukee look into why they fail ? even the new HO 6Ah and 8Ah are very solid but 12Ah uses same bms just fail or kill cells completely, i mean kill cells at certain bank dead
@@TranTek very good information sir. Is there anyway you can share the source of information on cell type and brand? I would absolutely love to read it.
Yeah unfortunately still use air for a couple things, I will say though slowly putting my air tools down and picking up bat tools in some things, wrenches, impact, grinder, big 1/2 impact, shoot I even dropped off my air dye grinder for the new m12 DID not think that was going to happen
So the m12 is getting $5 5k mAh cell instead of a $4 3k or 4k mAh cell. 🤔. An m18 6.0ho has more chooch than a m18 8.0. TTChannel. Will this be the case w/ the new m12ho's I wonder?
id assume m12 HO's are probably going to use Samsung 25S cells 2500mah capacity 25A (high) discharge 3cells in series for 12v 2.5cp and a pair of those series for the 5.0xc sucks that the m12 platform is stuck on 18650 batteries because of the housing dimensions theh could make a bigger 7.5HO battery with a bigger housing or use LiPo like Dewalt powerstacks
But Milwaukee made a compressor for pneumatic tools so think youre right and wrong in your statement and you need to focus on your batteries paying a lot a of money for these 6 amp batteries to die in 5 months isn’t acceptable and find that your die grinder works wonders but the collet or whatever its called wont release properly and i dont have time to be sending tools in to be fixed
It's definitely unfortunate when something goes wrong, especially on a new tool or one that you use frequently and haven't got the time to get fixed; Milwaukee's released a few new "generations" of tools that fix issues present in earlier models, though honestly with Milwaukee it's sometimes difficult to tell which are the new and which the old.
There are a lot of batteries in the world, if you really think about it; from little tiny watch batteries up to the massive 350 megawatt Crimson Storage project out in the desert. There might actually be just enough batteries in the world at this point, we don't need anymore. Unless we're talking cool sci-fi batteries like Dyson spheres or some such, that'd be worthwhile.
I need an electric “air” hammer
It's called an SDS hammer lol...
@@allanb3222 definitely they are very close, but sizing is the only downside I see. Although you get a drill and no air hosewith the cordless so that’s the upside!
Very excited for what Milwaukee has announced/released and even more excited for what’s to come with Milwaukee and other cordless/airless tool brands
As a mechanic, pain in the ass hose is right! Scuffage, always dirty, prone to leak. Maintenance on the compressor, draining water, oil, belts, large power consumption with horrible efficiency. Think about all the heat generated. It's wasted power and energy. No need for large units anymore for too much longer anyway. We still need them for tires, and other stuff, but this is the future. I need to get rid of all my air tools and replace them!
You’re probably right, more likely in near future we’ll see a downsize of compressors with a few smaller units, instead of these monster units with complex air systems running all over.
Don’t forget trip hazard.
The initial switch to mostly electric tools was expensive but I don’t regret it. The freedom of not being tethered to an air line is priceless.
M12 high output isn’t about longer run time it’s for more power.
Will you be changing your logo to a battery impact instead of the air one? 😅
Haha might need to at some point soon…
We're ahead of the curve! Yay
Old school mechanic here, really not quite impressed with Milwaukee packouts system, especially trying to store automotive tools in packout after packout. First off the packouts is a good concept but to big and bulky. If Milwaukee is going to make more tools & packouts for the automotive industry, what they need to work on is a packout system for there wrenches. Or just make a 4 drawer tool box carry on like kobalt 4 drawer tool box and have the opening top when your looking in the ratcheting wrenches, like the concept opening top of the Gearwrench 232pc. And the opening flip top would be molded inside for your combination wrenches. And for the 4 drawers would be labeled for each drawer 1/2in drawer. 3/8in drawer, & 1/4in drawer sockets, and your forth drawer would be for extension, tork bit sockets, and e-tork sockets. But hay thats just my opinion.
Couldn’t agree more, definitely focused on trades getting in and out of the truck to start so build to be really tough but also bulky, we do think they’re seeing the potential in automotive and they seem to be focused on expanding here. There’s a real potential to change the traditional mechanics tool box into something more customizable but still high quality.
Why is there no cordless equivalent to an air hammer? Milwaukee offers pretty much everything else
That’s one of the only tools I still need air for.
Hopefully with new batteries we could see something but runtime might be a concern as well even if it had power. Something with different heads for needle scaler and other functions. We will get there eventually.
As a mechanic my air tools are collecting dust I only use the compressor to bleed brakes apart from that the hose is gone! I use both M18 and M12 and love them both the air line is pretty much redundant! I have packout at home and love it but unfortunately just not practical as a tech in the workshop
Thanks for sharing! Hopefully Milwaukee will make some better PACKOUT solutions for mechanics in the future
Rather use a light weight pneumatic impact gun and some jobs i rather use a pneumatic die grinder but other than that i agree cordless all the way oh and cutoff wheel
I wish they made tile tools as well
I have lost acces to the garage where I used to do my routine auto maintenance, as well as, more serious auto mechanical repairs as needed. I am looking for transportable option of Corless Power tools to do these and other types of repairs I can keep at my apartment and transport to another garage where I need my own tools and am starting from scratch to build a piecemeal cordless tool arsenal.
Oh man.. Starting over is never fun for anyone financially, tool wise its a blast though! There are so many options that I can't simply list in a comment section here! Also would like to know your exact needs. Give us a quick call 614-481-2111 and we'll be more than happy lending a hand. We also have some financing options for you too if needed.
Problem is that cut off wheel... has no ass behind it... it's great when air is not around but compared to air tools (just doing this oh the side not everyday) I was not impress it stalls out way too easy... maybe the HO batteries will help be interesting to see but...
Need to get the fuel 6" grinder. Not the 4.5". Only use 8amh or 12amh high output batteries. The 5.0 and lower will overheat within 40 seconds.
@@0MattAttack The 6-in grinder is not a die grinder...
I'm talking about the die grinder.
You're not going to get a 6-in grinder behind a bench seat to cut a bolt which is rusted and spinning under the cab. You are going to get a die grinder I have a right angle one a straight one would have worked better but same thing.
I have one the grinders I think it's a four and a half to five maybe I don't know if the top of my head I honestly have never used it got it during the home Depot glitch on buy more save more.
@@mattlane2282 ive got the 90° die grinder aswell. Its built for burrs and flat faced rollocks. Trying to use it for thin edged cutting itll trigger the spin shutter shutoff which makes alot of sense when actually using burs cus its a grip and jump motion that could damnage a work peice 😂 ive used mine to bevel edges and corners in ar plate to prep for welding works mint 👌 tool youre wanting is a compact hand held jig saw with metal cutting blades. Theyll flex with in under the bolt head.
@@0MattAttack an air powered tool would have no problem cutting a bolt You're not going to fit a jig behind a bench seat.
Funny enough I just ordered a jig lol 😁
Can you explain how the 18650s in the new HO M12 batteries are different than the ones in say the CP3.0 and the XC6.0?
We had some questions here as well. As it was explained to us, while these cells do maintain the same size 18x65mm (of 18650 cells) my understanding is they are able to pull more power out than traditional 18650 cells without overheating. These allow the battery packs to have more peak power similar to performance we might expect from packs using 21700 cells. Obviously 5.0 is less than 6.0 so in terms of runtime on say the M12 rocket light it will be 1Ah less. Compact tools that want to draw a lot of power, such as a cut-off tools, die grinders or saws is where these batteries will hopefully shine, when there are power demand spikes where the tool wants to bog down there will deliver more peak watt output. Again that's the theory we haven't gotten to test them, also started somewhat skeptical. Why we say these are most exciting is because it could open up some new doors, what sort of performance will these have with smaller sanders, does this open up needle scalers or the equivalent of an "air hammer" in future.
I speculate the cells are 2500mah, ultra high current cells, vs the 3000mah high current cells. I also believe the highest capacity batteries using Sony VTC 6. Unsure on their use of the ultra high current variety that makes the HO packs. I've read they may be Samsung 25r.
@@georgesrisomsak9650 i love to know what cells they are using as well
the xc 4.0 uses Samsung 25R while the xc 6.0 use Samsung 30Q like those were used in the M18 9Ah
they were great battery but the bms fail pre maturely
is there anyone at Milwaukee look into why they fail ? even the new HO 6Ah and 8Ah are very solid but 12Ah uses same bms just fail or kill cells completely, i mean kill cells at certain bank dead
@@TranTek very good information sir. Is there anyway you can share the source of information on cell type and brand?
I would absolutely love to read it.
@@georgesrisomsak9650 i get info by working on them fixing them
after you see much coming in, you start seeing a pattern.
All depends on their warranty.
I need Milwaukee to make a m18 pressure washer handheld is there one coming?
We haven’t heard anything yet but they’ve got a whole team working on OPE and that DeWalt one is pretty popular, got to happen at some point!
Air primary in shop. Electric in the field
Yeah unfortunately still use air for a couple things, I will say though slowly putting my air tools down and picking up bat tools in some things, wrenches, impact, grinder, big 1/2 impact, shoot I even dropped off my air dye grinder for the new m12 DID not think that was going to happen
Yeah, we need air tools. They still fit more places still.
As Mechanic I hardly used the air compressor :/
Only reason I use a hose is to bleed brakes and torquing down lug nuts other than that it’s always electric ratchet/gun
Haha. Don’t think you’re alone.
So the m12 is getting $5 5k mAh cell instead of a $4 3k or 4k mAh cell. 🤔. An m18 6.0ho has more chooch than a m18 8.0. TTChannel. Will this be the case w/ the new m12ho's I wonder?
id assume m12 HO's are probably going to use Samsung 25S cells
2500mah capacity
25A (high) discharge
3cells in series for 12v 2.5cp
and a pair of those series for the 5.0xc
sucks that the m12 platform is stuck on 18650 batteries because of the housing dimensions
theh could make a bigger 7.5HO battery with a bigger housing or use LiPo like Dewalt powerstacks
But Milwaukee made a compressor for pneumatic tools so think youre right and wrong in your statement and you need to focus on your batteries paying a lot a of money for these 6 amp batteries to die in 5 months isn’t acceptable and find that your die grinder works wonders but the collet or whatever its called wont release properly and i dont have time to be sending tools in to be fixed
It's definitely unfortunate when something goes wrong, especially on a new tool or one that you use frequently and haven't got the time to get fixed; Milwaukee's released a few new "generations" of tools that fix issues present in earlier models, though honestly with Milwaukee it's sometimes difficult to tell which are the new and which the old.
No, We need chargers
I guess that dummy couldn't stand up to the pressure
not sure if you mean me or the actual dummy! either way, both are correct. Thanks for following us and watching, much appreciated!
@@OhioPowerTool the dummy knocked over by the explosion 🤣🤣🤣
there will not be enough batteries in the world for that and will be back to air tools
There are a lot of batteries in the world, if you really think about it; from little tiny watch batteries up to the massive 350 megawatt Crimson Storage project out in the desert. There might actually be just enough batteries in the world at this point, we don't need anymore. Unless we're talking cool sci-fi batteries like Dyson spheres or some such, that'd be worthwhile.
Can't wait to see the tools in the next few years. Hoses? Nope! Chargers? Not even... batteries with solar panels installed
Why not little nuclear battery packs? Don't need charged for 40 years and your teether will never be whiter..
@@OhioPowerTool I mean... let's go! 🤣 I'll be dead by then, so I wouldn't really care either way... you gave more ideas to to tool comments