Just so it’s clear: Meraki sent me this machine to test and make a video. There was no payment otherwise. The thoughts are my own, and Meraki did not get to see the video ahead of time.
People talking about the price for plastic keep forgetting ALL the features here in any other machine cost twice as much. Now obviously, I can’t speak to the quality of this machine at all but… Even if the grinder is no better than an Encore EXP, that’s $200; two scales another $100; rotary pump; PID; dual (stainless steel) boilers; HUGE cool touch steam wand WITH temperature sensor; brew volume by weight; grind by weight. I discount the RF reader because unless a ton of roasters get on board, it’s just a gimmick. If it’s just a plastic case to keep the price down, there’s nothing to see here. As long as the guts are solid, this could be a fantastic machine for the price. #miraki
@@mamadouaziza2536 Breville's equivalent machines like the Oracle or Oracle Touch have very little plastic other than the interior mounting brackets for its electronics and some internal casings. Only the cheaper machines like the Infuser or Barista Express use plastic almost all around.
@@sausagefingers714 Who cares? If it lasts 3 to 4 years, you'll be getting your money's worth especially if you are buying ice vanilla lattes every day at Starbucks ($6.50 USA dollars).. Ninja has a new $500 espresso machine with grinder and auto milk (porta filter type).
If I ever got a machine just for my office, it'd be this probably. Solid coffee and milk output but also very user-friendly for co-workers who aren't quite as skilled. #meraki
Thanks, nice review and all the nice options make it an attractive machine. Indeed a deep dive! For the brand it seems important to communicate how the service is organized.
Very technical and very in depth, i loved the "bang test" since I didn't know I needed it until I got it #meraki,huh. Its a very interesting unit, sure it has its flaws but without competition to go to devices, its consumers that are losing! Love this,keep 'em coming Tom! Cheers!
#Meraki Really nice video. For me this machine ticks every box that annoyed me so far. Only thing I wish that would exist is to save grinding profiles for different kind of beans and maybe even change grinding settings via the display. That would be perfect but I guess there is no grinder/espresso machine which can do that. Also loving the two scales. Do other machines have that?
Great review of a very interesting machine. Once it gets past the kickstarter phase if Meraki could make a deal with Costco for distribution it would be an ideal partnership since Costco already sells automatic machines which are more expensive and the return policy at Costco would help overcome resistance to investing that much on a start-up product.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Do you think Meraki's is better then Breville barista touch, or even better than Breville touch impress, if Meraki be able to keep their promise?
Nice review. Some points to consider: How does the machine resolve flow versus pressure? I see no metering of the pressure mentioned. Does the pump just try to run at the same rate irrespective of the pressure? I presume you can do a crude form of pre-infusion by turning off the pump near first drip and then turning back on after 5-10 seconds, but it would be nice, as an option, if the pump ran fast at the start with low pressure then held at 3 bar until 1+g had emerged before gradually ramping up the pressure. A rapid ramp up of pressure before the puck is saturated risks breaking the puck integrity caused channeling. I can answer the question about the leveler after performing many tests myself. No, it does not do a good job of distributing the coffee if it is uneven. If the grinder throws fines into one location of the cup, the uneven density does not get fixed by the leveller. Same for voids. Also, even if the coffee is evenly distributed, such a leveler moves the coffee at the top of the puck more than at the bottom and this can result in a horizontal shear line in the puck (in my case usually about 2/3 of the way down). This results in side channeling at this point and less extraction from the coffee at the bottom of the puck.
Thanks for that thorough comment! My source at the company said the water circuit is calibrated to max out at 9 bar. There is no flow or pressure regulation or measuring, as far as I can tell. I tried doing a manual pre-infusion, but turning it off after first drip is not ideal, because the solenoid opens, and water above the puck is evacuated, essentially destroying the puck and extraction in my opinion. They'd have to at least keep the solenoid closed, but there's no such option at this point. I think they could add that however, with some programming, as an additional option in a future firmwared version.
I was wondering about the heatup time, how long does it take to be ready to pull a espresso? Whats the range of temperature that can be set for the hot water spout?
Thank you for the detailed review, Tom. I keep on coming back to your Meraki reviews. I am seriously intrigued by the machine as I would really like to upgrade my very entry-level espresso machine with something new. I am currently wondering between the new Ninja Luxe and this one. Aesthetically + considering the dual boiler I am more included to Meraki, which is why I backed it up on kickstarter however I am still unsure weather the price difference is justified. Any thoughts?
I'm currently researching to upgrade my old Rancilio Silvia, and I was planning to get the new generation Rocket Apartamento but Meraki seems like a really good deal. Early bird price is little more than $1k and for that price you get scales, PID, dual boiler, rotary pump and a lot of cool tech. Seems to good to be true, where is the catch? Plasticky feel and look is definitely the biggest downside especially compared to the sexy Apartamento, but then again, this is very competitively priced.
Great review/opinion, this machine looks really interesting, but i see one disadvantages... Portafilter not-compatible with any other on the market... What do you think about it? Maybe you get any information about this part of machine or something like that from the company... Also... Do you think for this price (1200$ us dolars) it is possible to find something better for first professional home espresso set?
#Meraki Seems like an awesome machine. 15:34 I was surprised how large it is compared to the Gaggia CP (edited: it has handles on top, not sure what kind of Gaggia it is). Anyway... I was left with the feeling that the Meraki is 3 separate machines mounted together and that it would be MUCH nicer if the coffee grinder was not attached as it would allow the machine to be much more narrow. IMO, Meraki should consider making models without the grinder.
I think Breville is digging their own grave with how their latest frothing system is implemented. It’s a great frothing formula they have. Unfortunately they have a steam channel funnelled to a pretty fragile steam pressure sensor on the control board, that fails in
Hopefully the next version will have less crevices to clean, and a bigger coffee bean compartment so it can be used as a small commercial coffee machine. I can buy one in China,
Heh Tom. Great video. Back to your usual high standard. Pretty much answered every comment I had in the FB group. Can I also ask a very direct question. You don’t disclaim if your review is paid for? It’s certainly addressing most questions asked in FB group. So some guidance will have been given by Meraki
@@mooriginal Thanks! Meraki is not paying me for the content, besides having sent me the machine. I don’t accept payment from companies, because then they want to have a say in what gets published. But, I have been in contact with them, because I want to be thorough in introducing a new product.
Hello again! What do you think about this built in grinder? It is somehow comparable to quality of Eureka Mignon Specialita and its possible to make really nice shots by using this built in grinder?
Well, I wouldn't compare it to the Specialita. It's a small conical burr grinder, similar to what you get out of a G5, for instance. It makes good espresso for me, but I'm sure the more discerning espresso drinker will want to upgrade the grinder.
In my opinion very few people will currently pay 1800€ for a coffee machine with an integrated grinder. The technological features it has are of very little use. And many machines like this are arriving this year. I don't foresee much success for it.
LOL.. Are you forgetting the millions of people who buy those plastic super automatic machines? They are currently the most popular home espresso machines on the market. Even some restaurants have them.. People have no problems spending $1700 on a Breville or a Delonghi
@@mamadouaziza2536 Breville/Delonghi are mature brands with reliability. At $1700 its the equivalent of some of their enthusiast machines which aren't majority ABS plastic. This machine favours features over build quality which will likely eat into its reliability. I'm all for competition but don't know how I can justify spending that much on a machine that will likely be dated or unreliable in 5 years.
Kees van der westen machines are a piece of Art, that's just plastic formed into 3 tubes imo😅 But if you like it, there's nothing wrong with that. No hate, I was downright wondering :)
Very good video. Thank you very much. After watching it, I think I'm missing some things: The aluminium part of the dripping tray seems to not fit properly in the right side? It's a real problem or it's not properly put in place? The temperature part, I'm missing the actual temperature in the machine and the real temperature measured by the probe and corrected, like in a table or something like that. Also I missed a test of the other scale, to check if the grams extracted match with another scale. And I think that right now, the rest was very good.
Hi Tom, not sure if you were able to check out the new Ninja Luxe Cafe? For it's features to price, seems pretty interesting but I would like to see an honest review of it and you are my go to guy for that.
@@jerrydiecidue4140 i’m hoping to be able to check that one out soon. It will be interesting to see if an actual espresso can be made with an ninja machine. Do you know what the machine cost right now? And are there any independent reviews yet?
@@jerrydiecidue4140 Really?! That would be quite cheap for all the features that it offers, based on the company’s videos. Of course the machine needs to be checked out in person.
They are much different machines. This is a dual boiler, while the Appartamento is a heat exchanger. This has a PID, too. This heats up fast, while the E61 machines need at least 20 minutes. That being said, the Rocket is quite the looker, and it can make good espresso and milk foam too.
Might be tempted if they release a model without the grinder. Anyone like me who's not too keen with too much tech like LCD Screen controls on the espresso machine? II know it's convenient especially with temp control but tech tends to have build in obsolesces. Maybe I just need to keep up with the times, lol.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner as far as now how do you feel about the ninja just hearing about it and what info is out there now? I’m looking to buy but want to know if it’s truly worth it and from a non biased perspective thanks
@@nickcrandall3168 I don’t think there’s any reviews of the unit yet, except for by the company itself. And from the online videos, I can’t really tell how good the quality of the machine or the espresso is. We’ll just have to wait until I can test it out. Probably one to two weeks.
Could you make a video in German? :-) You've made one a few month ago. There is no German video until today. Is this a final product oder prototype? Is it possible to use espresso without nfc?
I have opened it up, but due to patent concerns, I am not supposed to release any material about it. Hopefully in October, and ideally with the newest version of the machine. Cheers!
Can you at least tell how it looks - i mean it looks promising and nice? Or hard to tell or not that good? It looks that espresso machine will be easy to service and have nice durability from the inside?
@@gordanbabic8028 I know it’s not cheap. But dual boiler machines are always expensive. Is there a different dual boiler you would prefer at that price point?
You didn't mention a major flaw of this machine, PID in grouphead heats to only 50°C which is way too low, I hope that They'll still make it user adjustable to around 90°C otherways it will be a big disappointment.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I was just going to ask the same. I have paid as well and I am pretty happy about getting a f*** dual boiler with 2 scales and a nice steam wand for about 1k. I am not sure I'd go for the msrp price, but is there any other dual boiler with that nice of a steam wand and nice grinder for 1k?
My same thoughts. As someone who's budget cannot afford a machine like a rocket appartamento and a good grinder, it's great. There are some small details that makes me doubtful about purchasing it, but for the price it includes almost everything i've been looking for to make an upgrade for my current coffee set up.
I strongly dislike this machine for several reasons: first is build quality. I am not against using plastic for parts where it actually makes sense or to keep the price down, but I think this is one of the machines that claims to be using quality parts, when its really just a few quality parts that they can then advertise to make it sound better, even though those parts are not really anything special and the rest of the machine is even poorer quality. The second is automization and especially repairability. It might look nice and have loads of features, but good luck getting replacement parts for this, if a hose ever comes loose on the inside and cooks the electronics. Also I am not sure, who the target audience is for this machine. People that know how to make espresso will not want a plastic-bomber like this machine, whereas newbies won`t need all the features. I think it is really important to start on a manual machine to actually understand how espresso works. It is really not that hard and is extremely rewarding. This machine takes that experience away from you. Espresso is not as easy as putting a Nespresso pod in a machine and it isn`t meant to be. It is an art and a skill that you need to learn and that then can be applied to almost all other machines. This is why I also do not like the Sage/Breville machines or anything similar, because they try to automate a process that can`t be automated because it relies on skill and intuition and not on numbers alone. There is no shame in not wanting to buy expensive espresso gear. There is no shame in not wanting to invest many hours into learning how to operate a portafilter-machine and all the parameters to control. But if you want good espresso, there is no way around it. There is no short-cut, as any short-cut will ultimately lead to frustration and bad espresso. People need to understand that there is no such thing as a cheap espresso machine. The same way that if you want face-time, you have to buy an Iphone and not a cheap android. If you want to get into espresso, go to a shop that specializes in these machines. Please don`t buy these automated machines with displays and tons of features. They are not build to last and you will ultimately frustratedly give up on the beautiful thing that is espresso.
Geez.. It's not that deep. The build quality is no less than say a Delonghi or Jura super automatic machine. Have you used a Breville Barista Touch Impress? That machine has a lot of plastic on it and it costs $1500 USA dollars. Dr. Coffee makes a few super automatic machines made of quality plastic and those machines are super popular in Asian countries... Obviously this machine uses aluminum and steel where needed.. Also for the average espresso drinker who isn't interested in all the work that goes into making an espresso shot or cappuccino will buy this type of machine..This is the reason why Breville machines and Delonghi, Saeco, Jura are so popular.. Many super automatic machines actually do make really good espresso shots... As far as the machine breaking down and not being repairable... The folks that buy these types of machines can care less because they have lot of disposable income and they will simply replace the machine with a newer technology model (same with Tesla and BMW buyers). $1700 is pocket change to wealthy people..
LOL.. You do realize that there are tons of great alternatives to FaceTime with the Android world? Samsung, Sony, Google and Motorola all make some super quality built phones that either equal Apple's iPhone or surpasses it and there are plenty of apps that equal Face Time.. As I stated before there are several automatic and super automatic espresso machines that make Cafe quality espresso drinks. Yes, the process can be automated and the result does taste good from a few machines as long as the beans are fresh and the temperature is correct.
I agree with you to a limited extent. I feel #Meraki is a very well-built machine and Tom explained how they continue upgrading parts to metal. I share your concern about water and electronics, but that applies to any/all the machines with complex electronics and sensors. The rotary pump and dual boiler is just awesome. IMHO, "perfection" would be #Meraki without the grinder and without sensors, scales, or electronics, selling for c. $499.
Thanks for your opinion. I don't know for sure, but I think it might have been cheaper for them to just make it a metal box, like most espresso machines. Building the injection moulds for the casing cannot be cheap. But I think they were going for a certain design aesthetic. Oh well, we will see how the product does once it launches. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner It's only $1100 USA dollars right now!! It's definitely better than Sage Barista Touch Impress, which I had and returned the same day (too much plastic in the brew group).
no pre-infusion = no Meraki (: this is so basic function, available in definitely cheap machines from China... comparing pumps is a bit pointless, because it depends on the machine's casing! Decent somehow doesn't have this problem and also has vibrating pumps. Even my Chinese (hibrew h7a, after flow/opv mod) one is really quiet for a rotary pump (ulka ep4). Gaggia has weak machines in my opinion.
Just so it’s clear: Meraki sent me this machine to test and make a video. There was no payment otherwise. The thoughts are my own, and Meraki did not get to see the video ahead of time.
I didn’t want the video to end! Most in depth Meraki review so far!
People talking about the price for plastic keep forgetting ALL the features here in any other machine cost twice as much. Now obviously, I can’t speak to the quality of this machine at all but…
Even if the grinder is no better than an Encore EXP, that’s $200; two scales another $100; rotary pump; PID; dual (stainless steel) boilers; HUGE cool touch steam wand WITH temperature sensor; brew volume by weight; grind by weight. I discount the RF reader because unless a ton of roasters get on board, it’s just a gimmick. If it’s just a plastic case to keep the price down, there’s nothing to see here. As long as the guts are solid, this could be a fantastic machine for the price.
#miraki
Breville uses a lot of plastic and so does Delongi, Saeco and Jura.
@@mamadouaziza2536 Breville's equivalent machines like the Oracle or Oracle Touch have very little plastic other than the interior mounting brackets for its electronics and some internal casings. Only the cheaper machines like the Infuser or Barista Express use plastic almost all around.
longevity is important too. id be willing to bet this will clap out within 2-3 years
@@sausagefingers714
Who cares? If it lasts 3 to 4 years, you'll be getting your money's worth especially if you are buying ice vanilla lattes every day at Starbucks ($6.50 USA dollars)..
Ninja has a new $500 espresso machine with grinder and auto milk (porta filter type).
Tom Thanks. Im Crazy to see inside this machine. Thanks again.
I like the tech part involved, 2 scales, grinder and RFiD...pretty interesting
If I ever got a machine just for my office, it'd be this probably. Solid coffee and milk output but also very user-friendly for co-workers who aren't quite as skilled. #meraki
Thanks, nice review and all the nice options make it an attractive machine. Indeed a deep dive! For the brand it seems important to communicate how the service is organized.
Seems totally cool ☕️👍🏽😎
Very technical and very in depth, i loved the "bang test" since I didn't know I needed it until I got it
#meraki,huh. Its a very interesting unit, sure it has its flaws but without competition to go to devices, its consumers that are losing!
Love this,keep 'em coming Tom! Cheers!
Is there possibility to make your own presets like grinding/volume and temperature for different drinks and family members?
Excellent, thorough review. Thanks for sharing! #Meraki
I am very interested in this! If it had even basic flow profiling this would be a sure purchase for me.
#Meraki Really nice video. For me this machine ticks every box that annoyed me so far. Only thing I wish that would exist is to save grinding profiles for different kind of beans and maybe even change grinding settings via the display. That would be perfect but I guess there is no grinder/espresso machine which can do that. Also loving the two scales. Do other machines have that?
Great review of a very interesting machine. Once it gets past the kickstarter phase if Meraki could make a deal with Costco for distribution it would be an ideal partnership since Costco already sells automatic machines which are more expensive and the return policy at Costco would help overcome resistance to investing that much on a start-up product.
Pre-Infusion will be in the final Version, Meraki said to me!
Really great review and really awesome machine! I’m very tempted to save up for it, but 1799 is a lot of money for how much plastic it has
Im eager to see you get your hands on the new ninja luxe cafe. I'm curious if itll blow everything else out of the water for only $500
Love this video, I think I should buy it. It seems to be more cost effective then other espresso machines if I preorder it.
Pretty much a no brainer at that price, but of course reliability and repair service are still unknowns.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Do you think Meraki's is better then Breville barista touch, or even better than Breville touch impress, if Meraki be able to keep their promise?
Great video, the bang test is an awesome idea!
Nice review.
Some points to consider:
How does the machine resolve flow versus pressure?
I see no metering of the pressure mentioned.
Does the pump just try to run at the same rate irrespective of the pressure?
I presume you can do a crude form of pre-infusion by turning off the pump near first drip and then turning back on after 5-10 seconds, but it would be nice, as an option, if the pump ran fast at the start with low pressure then held at 3 bar until 1+g had emerged before gradually ramping up the pressure.
A rapid ramp up of pressure before the puck is saturated risks breaking the puck integrity caused channeling.
I can answer the question about the leveler after performing many tests myself.
No, it does not do a good job of distributing the coffee if it is uneven.
If the grinder throws fines into one location of the cup, the uneven density does not get fixed by the leveller.
Same for voids.
Also, even if the coffee is evenly distributed, such a leveler moves the coffee at the top of the puck more than at the bottom and this can result in a horizontal shear line in the puck (in my case usually about 2/3 of the way down).
This results in side channeling at this point and less extraction from the coffee at the bottom of the puck.
Thanks for that thorough comment! My source at the company said the water circuit is calibrated to max out at 9 bar. There is no flow or pressure regulation or measuring, as far as I can tell. I tried doing a manual pre-infusion, but turning it off after first drip is not ideal, because the solenoid opens, and water above the puck is evacuated, essentially destroying the puck and extraction in my opinion. They'd have to at least keep the solenoid closed, but there's no such option at this point. I think they could add that however, with some programming, as an additional option in a future firmwared version.
Would you actively recommend vs a Lelit Mara though?
I was wondering about the heatup time, how long does it take to be ready to pull a espresso? Whats the range of temperature that can be set for the hot water spout?
Thank you for the detailed review, Tom. I keep on coming back to your Meraki reviews. I am seriously intrigued by the machine as I would really like to upgrade my very entry-level espresso machine with something new. I am currently wondering between the new Ninja Luxe and this one. Aesthetically + considering the dual boiler I am more included to Meraki, which is why I backed it up on kickstarter however I am still unsure weather the price difference is justified. Any thoughts?
I'm currently researching to upgrade my old Rancilio Silvia, and I was planning to get the new generation Rocket Apartamento but Meraki seems like a really good deal. Early bird price is little more than $1k and for that price you get scales, PID, dual boiler, rotary pump and a lot of cool tech. Seems to good to be true, where is the catch?
Plasticky feel and look is definitely the biggest downside especially compared to the sexy Apartamento, but then again, this is very competitively priced.
How many cups of latte arr you able to make before you have to wait for the boiler to heat up again?
Great review/opinion, this machine looks really interesting, but i see one disadvantages... Portafilter not-compatible with any other on the market... What do you think about it? Maybe you get any information about this part of machine or something like that from the company...
Also... Do you think for this price (1200$ us dolars) it is possible to find something better for first professional home espresso set?
I'd have to see and touch it my self to make a call. Does seem nice but can't get over the plastic. That might just be me.
#Meraki Seems like an awesome machine. 15:34 I was surprised how large it is compared to the Gaggia CP (edited: it has handles on top, not sure what kind of Gaggia it is). Anyway... I was left with the feeling that the Meraki is 3 separate machines mounted together and that it would be MUCH nicer if the coffee grinder was not attached as it would allow the machine to be much more narrow. IMO, Meraki should consider making models without the grinder.
I think Breville is digging their own grave with how their latest frothing system is implemented.
It’s a great frothing formula they have.
Unfortunately they have a steam channel funnelled to a pretty fragile steam pressure sensor on the control board, that fails in
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Hopefully the next version will have less crevices to clean, and a bigger coffee bean compartment so it can be used as a small commercial coffee machine. I can buy one in China,
The bean hopper is quite small, yes.
Heh Tom. Great video. Back to your usual high standard.
Pretty much answered every comment I had in the FB group.
Can I also ask a very direct question.
You don’t disclaim if your review is paid for?
It’s certainly addressing most questions asked in FB group. So some guidance will have been given by Meraki
@@mooriginal Thanks! Meraki is not paying me for the content, besides having sent me the machine. I don’t accept payment from companies, because then they want to have a say in what gets published.
But, I have been in contact with them, because I want to be thorough in introducing a new product.
#meraki thanks for your effort on the review Tom 🙌🏽
Hopefully you can get your hands on the Ninja Luxe.
Hello again! What do you think about this built in grinder? It is somehow comparable to quality of Eureka Mignon Specialita and its possible to make really nice shots by using this built in grinder?
Well, I wouldn't compare it to the Specialita. It's a small conical burr grinder, similar to what you get out of a G5, for instance. It makes good espresso for me, but I'm sure the more discerning espresso drinker will want to upgrade the grinder.
In my opinion very few people will currently pay 1800€ for a coffee machine with an integrated grinder. The technological features it has are of very little use. And many machines like this are arriving this year. I don't foresee much success for it.
LOL.. Are you forgetting the millions of people who buy those plastic super automatic machines? They are currently the most popular home espresso machines on the market. Even some restaurants have them..
People have no problems spending $1700 on a Breville or a Delonghi
@@mamadouaziza2536 Breville/Delonghi are mature brands with reliability. At $1700 its the equivalent of some of their enthusiast machines which aren't majority ABS plastic. This machine favours features over build quality which will likely eat into its reliability. I'm all for competition but don't know how I can justify spending that much on a machine that will likely be dated or unreliable in 5 years.
Which machines do you mean, the Oracle Jet? That does look cool.
That for lazy people who don't know jack sh!t about coffee.
Screen looks like my nest thermostat
This isn't a machine...it''s a work of art!
Kees van der westen machines are a piece of Art, that's just plastic formed into 3 tubes imo😅
But if you like it, there's nothing wrong with that. No hate, I was downright wondering :)
Very good video. Thank you very much.
After watching it, I think I'm missing some things:
The aluminium part of the dripping tray seems to not fit properly in the right side? It's a real problem or it's not properly put in place?
The temperature part, I'm missing the actual temperature in the machine and the real temperature measured by the probe and corrected, like in a table or something like that.
Also I missed a test of the other scale, to check if the grams extracted match with another scale.
And I think that right now, the rest was very good.
#meraki I'd like to see the inside quality of the machine. Components, design, soldering etc.
at 26:25 he says "excellent" like a super villain LOL. is that something he does in every video?
Hi Tom, not sure if you were able to check out the new Ninja Luxe Cafe? For it's features to price, seems pretty interesting but I would like to see an honest review of it and you are my go to guy for that.
@@jerrydiecidue4140 i’m hoping to be able to check that one out soon. It will be interesting to see if an actual espresso can be made with an ninja machine. Do you know what the machine cost right now? And are there any independent reviews yet?
@TomsCoffeeCorner Haven't seen any independent reviews, just from the Ninja channel. I saw it retail for $499 in the states
@@jerrydiecidue4140 Really?! That would be quite cheap for all the features that it offers, based on the company’s videos. Of course the machine needs to be checked out in person.
Seeking advice: Should I wait for this machine or go for the ROCKET APPARTAMENTO instead?
They are much different machines. This is a dual boiler, while the Appartamento is a heat exchanger. This has a PID, too. This heats up fast, while the E61 machines need at least 20 minutes. That being said, the Rocket is quite the looker, and it can make good espresso and milk foam too.
Rocket Appartemento. It's already proven to be good. Buying this is gambling.
Might be tempted if they release a model without the grinder. Anyone like me who's not too keen with too much tech like LCD Screen controls on the espresso machine? II know it's convenient especially with temp control but tech tends to have build in obsolesces. Maybe I just need to keep up with the times, lol.
Are you going to review the Nina Luxe premier?
@@eliottgonzalez8844 Indeed! Probably be a couple weeks though. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner as far as now how do you feel about the ninja just hearing about it and what info is out there now? I’m looking to buy but want to know if it’s truly worth it and from a non biased perspective thanks
@@nickcrandall3168 I don’t think there’s any reviews of the unit yet, except for by the company itself. And from the online videos, I can’t really tell how good the quality of the machine or the espresso is. We’ll just have to wait until I can test it out. Probably one to two weeks.
Have you received the DVT2 prototype from Meraki yet? 😃
@@oOJampisOo Not yet… looking forward to seeing what they are going to do with it, however. 👍🏻
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Oh okay, I hope they send you one soon… they have done a bunch of changes to it from the DVT1 👍
Could you make a video in German? :-) You've made one a few month ago. There is no German video until today. Is this a final product oder prototype? Is it possible to use espresso without nfc?
I was considering doing that, we'll see. People are kind of confused when I release a video in German, but maybe I'll do it. Cheers!
Can you change the handle to a one with better quality?
@@breake16 yes, it’s a standard thread. I put an aluminum one from Normcore on there.
In the video you remove the buttom part. Is the a meraki feature or from Normcore
@@breake16 Meraki. I only switched the handle. The rest is original.
Are u allowed to open it up?
@@SteashEdits I might try to tackle that next…
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Would love to see the innards. #Meraki
@@TomsCoffeeCornerwould absolutely love to see the inner parts before the kickstarter launch if thats possible ☺️
The only problem for me with this machine is that no German roastery uses
the nfc technology so there is no use of this for German customers.
Are you planning to check what its inside of this machine and review it?
Also are you gonna have newest version of this machine to review? :3
I have opened it up, but due to patent concerns, I am not supposed to release any material about it.
Hopefully in October, and ideally with the newest version of the machine. Cheers!
Can you at least tell how it looks - i mean it looks promising and nice? Or hard to tell or not that good? It looks that espresso machine will be easy to service and have nice durability from the inside?
For 1799 / 1899 buy an ABS plastic machine?
So? What's ur point?
@@iuanders448 Which dual boiler machine would you prefer in that price range?
No flow profiling is a deal breaker unfortunately. Not a bad competitor to the Breville.
#Cheers☕
Looks good, feels crappy.
Will never pay that much money for that, I’d rather buy a Jura LOL
Which Jura were you thinking?
I don't think it is ready for prime time. I will wait and see if and when they have a second and third generation come out.
We shall see...
Is it me or is this kind of a loud rotary pump?
Or is it due to the plastic encasing that makes the sound that tone
@@SteashEdits I don’t feel that it’s loud, but I don’t have a good frame of reference. This is the first rotary pump machine I’ve had in my household.
It sounded kind of loud to me too, compared to what I've heard in other videos with rotary pumps.
for a thousand dollar it better be made in italy
In what universe would someone be willing to pay 1799 for that machine? 😅
In same universe where someone would pay over 1000 for a grinder
@@4leafclover243 not the no-name chinese grinder though 😎
@@4leafclover243 Yes ok we got it, stop repeating it!!!
People pay $1700 for a Breville Barista Touch Impress and for the Dual Boiler model. People also pay that much and more for a super automatic machine
@@gordanbabic8028 I know it’s not cheap. But dual boiler machines are always expensive. Is there a different dual boiler you would prefer at that price point?
😢 around $1,700 something 😮
$1,799 will be MSRP.
You didn't mention a major flaw of this machine, PID in grouphead heats to only 50°C which is way too low, I hope that They'll still make it user adjustable to around 90°C otherways it will be a big disappointment.
#meraki
HARD PASS!
As a person paid 50 early bird order, I’m disappointed and regretted😢
How come?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I was just going to ask the same. I have paid as well and I am pretty happy about getting a f*** dual boiler with 2 scales and a nice steam wand for about 1k. I am not sure I'd go for the msrp price, but is there any other dual boiler with that nice of a steam wand and nice grinder for 1k?
My same thoughts. As someone who's budget cannot afford a machine like a rocket appartamento and a good grinder, it's great. There are some small details that makes me doubtful about purchasing it, but for the price it includes almost everything i've been looking for to make an upgrade for my current coffee set up.
I strongly dislike this machine for several reasons: first is build quality. I am not against using plastic for parts where it actually makes sense or to keep the price down, but I think this is one of the machines that claims to be using quality parts, when its really just a few quality parts that they can then advertise to make it sound better, even though those parts are not really anything special and the rest of the machine is even poorer quality. The second is automization and especially repairability. It might look nice and have loads of features, but good luck getting replacement parts for this, if a hose ever comes loose on the inside and cooks the electronics. Also I am not sure, who the target audience is for this machine. People that know how to make espresso will not want a plastic-bomber like this machine, whereas newbies won`t need all the features. I think it is really important to start on a manual machine to actually understand how espresso works. It is really not that hard and is extremely rewarding. This machine takes that experience away from you. Espresso is not as easy as putting a Nespresso pod in a machine and it isn`t meant to be. It is an art and a skill that you need to learn and that then can be applied to almost all other machines. This is why I also do not like the Sage/Breville machines or anything similar, because they try to automate a process that can`t be automated because it relies on skill and intuition and not on numbers alone. There is no shame in not wanting to buy expensive espresso gear. There is no shame in not wanting to invest many hours into learning how to operate a portafilter-machine and all the parameters to control. But if you want good espresso, there is no way around it. There is no short-cut, as any short-cut will ultimately lead to frustration and bad espresso. People need to understand that there is no such thing as a cheap espresso machine. The same way that if you want face-time, you have to buy an Iphone and not a cheap android. If you want to get into espresso, go to a shop that specializes in these machines. Please don`t buy these automated machines with displays and tons of features. They are not build to last and you will ultimately frustratedly give up on the beautiful thing that is espresso.
Geez.. It's not that deep.
The build quality is no less than say a Delonghi or Jura super automatic machine. Have you used a Breville Barista Touch Impress? That machine has a lot of plastic on it and it costs $1500 USA dollars. Dr. Coffee makes a few super automatic machines made of quality plastic and those machines are super popular in Asian countries...
Obviously this machine uses aluminum and steel where needed..
Also for the average espresso drinker who isn't interested in all the work that goes into making an espresso shot or cappuccino will buy this type of machine..This is the reason why Breville machines and Delonghi, Saeco, Jura are so popular.. Many super automatic machines actually do make really good espresso shots...
As far as the machine breaking down and not being repairable... The folks that buy these types of machines can care less because they have lot of disposable income and they will simply replace the machine with a newer technology model (same with Tesla and BMW buyers). $1700 is pocket change to wealthy people..
LOL.. You do realize that there are tons of great alternatives to FaceTime with the Android world? Samsung, Sony, Google and Motorola all make some super quality built phones that either equal Apple's iPhone or surpasses it and there are plenty of apps that equal Face Time.. As I stated before there are several automatic and super automatic espresso machines that make Cafe quality espresso drinks. Yes, the process can be automated and the result does taste good from a few machines as long as the beans are fresh and the temperature is correct.
I agree with you to a limited extent. I feel #Meraki is a very well-built machine and Tom explained how they continue upgrading parts to metal. I share your concern about water and electronics, but that applies to any/all the machines with complex electronics and sensors. The rotary pump and dual boiler is just awesome. IMHO, "perfection" would be #Meraki without the grinder and without sensors, scales, or electronics, selling for c. $499.
Thanks for your opinion. I don't know for sure, but I think it might have been cheaper for them to just make it a metal box, like most espresso machines. Building the injection moulds for the casing cannot be cheap. But I think they were going for a certain design aesthetic. Oh well, we will see how the product does once it launches. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner
It's only $1100 USA dollars right now!!
It's definitely better than Sage Barista Touch Impress, which I had and returned the same day (too much plastic in the brew group).
no pre-infusion = no Meraki (: this is so basic function, available in definitely cheap machines from China...
comparing pumps is a bit pointless, because it depends on the machine's casing! Decent somehow doesn't have this problem and also has vibrating pumps. Even my Chinese (hibrew h7a, after flow/opv mod) one is really quiet for a rotary pump (ulka ep4). Gaggia has weak machines in my opinion.
I find vibratory pumps louder and more annoying, but you're right that the casing makes a difference.