Decent DE1PRO has the same functionality especially compared to 110v bengle, a vibratory pump, same software and can be fitted with a 3 hole steam wand tip, water tank cover and a larger tablet for almost 60% of the bengle price. also last I checked the thermometer probe is not on the end of the steam wand. It is a separate hard wired thermometer clipped adjacently to the steam wand. I think it is a mistake to call the bengle best value for buck. it is a quality of life upgrade over the DE1PRO with improvements, many of which de1pro owners can already install. Now I would call this machine a real upgrade if they increase the max fill rate. In my opinion, decent is too focused on filling a price bracket to compete than actually improving their product.
The vibratory pump is driven differently in the Bengle, resulting (as they claim, I have no way to confirm or deny) in less noise and better control. IIUC, it's not possible to retrofit that into the DE1PRO. You are right about the temp probe. And you are right that it is - to a large extend - mainly a bunch of quality of life improvements, especially with the built-in scale and the temperature probe. The user facing software is largely the same, but e.g. there is no way to connect a good-enough temp probe to the DE1PRO (or it's tablet/software). Max fill rate is roughly the same, but steaming power on the 220V/230V model is definitely higher than on the DE1PRO XL (it's about the same as on the few XXLs they made). The new tip on the steam wand is nice, as is the actual cool-touch all around steam wand (including where it goes into the machine, unlike on the DE1PRO) which is a safety improvement. The ability to attach the tablet via a cable not just for charging but also for the control flow is nice, too, as it makes it (slightly) more reliable in electronically busy environments. It's certainly not a machine for everyone and I hope that at least the steam tip, the different use of the pumps and maybe, eventually, the new steam wand in its entirety make it to a future variant of the DE1. That said, I'll most likely buy a Bengle when it becomes available. I'd prefer a black body with light wood, but the white body also fits decently well into my coffee station. And I really want the built-in scale and the cool touch steam wand in particular.
if you can afford it, it’s definitely a nice addition. In my situation (110v), I don't see enough of a "real upgrade" that justifies selling the DE1pro and spending over 3k (likely more if they start selling refurbished units from their trade-in) to get the Bengle, unless they significantly increase the fill rate over what I have. The pump noise doesn't bother me at all; it actually helped me realize something was wrong when the flush valve wasn’t working properly because the pump noise was different from what I’m used to. If you haven't tried the DSX2 theme, I highly recommend it. You can set your milk pitcher’s weight and calibrate the steaming temperature by time, so you don't need a thermometer if you weigh the milk. I haven't used a thermometer in ages, and it gets the steaming temps just right for me. I also like the black color and hope they introduce it in future iterations. Right now, I see the price point as an attempt to fill a price bracket and compete against more expensive machines rather than providing value through innovation or performance over the existing line. Titles like "mind-blowing" and making it seem like a real upgrade for the money is where I disagree with the UA-camr's sales pitch. For the cost, I recommend DE1pro and high end grinder. You will have the same software, most likely the same extraction ability(if they don't increase fill rate) and better coffee with good grinder.
@@DR19X totally understandable. Yeah, I agree that it's not mind-blowing, compared to the DE1. Compared to single head machines in the same price range, it still is, but the DE1 costs about half and has most of the same features especially on 110V. I know about DSX skin and I'm streaming just fine without it or a thermometer, just by being consistent with the amount of milk, I'm pretty much spot on all the time, for both amounts I use (ok, it auto stops on the higher amount). Anyhow, the Bengle isn't for everyone. And frankly, if someone wouldn't be interested in the different profiles, they might be better off with a more traditional machine. And for those who want to play with profiles, the DE1 is often the better choice. I'd compare the choice to choosing between a Miata (aka MX5) and a Porsche. Both are fun sports cars, one is significantly more expensive and a bit better, but for many, the cheaper choice makes a lot more sense. Especially when you actually have a speed limit on highways (or a lower voltage). 😜
It may not be mind blowing if you already have a De1xl but to the gen pop and those who have never seen a Decent, I definitely think it is. And let's recognise how much Decent is actually driving innovation in the coffee world. What other company has a full drip tray scale? Or a thermometer steamwand?
I'll likely get one as there's nothing that comes close for accuracy, transportability and appreciate the tech compared to my You, but I wish it had a more desirable/sexy look for high-end modern kitchens. Definitely doesn't reach out and say buy me. It's more cute and odd little toy. Where are the premium metal finishes? Don't know, maybe I need to see it in person.
Oh it's all premium metal and timber, believe me. It might look like plastic in the images but the whole body is powder coated ss albeit a few parts that might be silicone. I haven't seen the Bengle in person, but I have the De1XL and it is premium look and feel, anyone who sees it and uses it agrees and I can only imagine the Bengle is very close to the SR You in feel too. Absolutely right that nothing comes close to it in terms of accuracy, tech, versatility and transportability.
@@Rydecoffeecoach premium metal finishes such as polished stainless steel/chromes etc. The wood looks cheap like an ikea product and an out-of-place design choice. The coloured options worse again. Just tough with the Australian kitchen styles etc. Think he just comes from a very different style background. Don't think it holds a candle to the You in looks. The You is damn frustrating to use though, over it.
do more videos on this! Your videos are now part of my rotation because theyre very informative and well done! Cheers from the States, from a former barista!
You know something is wrong when machines hypes lights and apps and looks, rather than making coffee, less is more, just focus on simplicity, reliability and coffee everything else is irrelevant.
Don't take this wrong way I think the Decent machine is a game changer but not for me, I got my first E61 machine been having so much fun with it, the Decent to me is like Buying a pair of high end stereo speakers then buying a sound board to make the speaker sound like different high end speakers and need analyzer to see if the sound coming from the speaker is right, just my thoughts.
I personally actually like the sound of the pump. They haven't changed to a different pump, but they now use amplitude modulation to drive it (at a more pleasant frequency) instead of frequency modulation like they did with the DE1.
really nice. but i do not know enough to use one of them. and know nothing about profiling. i think the micra would do me even that is dear but apparently worth it.
You are way more flexible on pouring different kind of coffee with a decent. There is a bit of a learning curve here as the decent basically gives you full control over all kind of parameters on how a shot is pulled. No other machine on the market is able to do that currently. Maybe the You comes into the range here - with an even higher pricetag. The de1 is already perfect and a lot cheaper than the upcoming Bengle... Ok, some fancy lightning and the embedded scale are missing though. With the classic machine concepts like the Micra - you can just pull the shot. No way non changing anything beside the temperature (which is probably not even measured on top of the puck). No pressure profiling, no stop on weight (ok, if you by the 400$ "special" Lunar)...
It is still a decent, still a tablet, still vibratory pump. I dislike the look, prefer a more tactical feel and still an overload of information. Definitely not for me.
Yes I debated whether to back it or not. In the end, I opted not to because of the high tech and the risk that another company would beat them to market. I've had it happen in the past on Kickstarter with Tech projects because it all moves so fast. I think they will get there but there may be delays. I can definitely do a video about it if I can find the time. 🤞👌
Carlos still has been updating every month, I am a backer too however I expect delays because project timelines in theory and real world are always two different things and if its your first project, you don't know the unknown unknowns (i.e. how much lead time on interdependent tasks, etc). Kickstarters are notorious for always being late. Last update was the plastic moulds are done, a few of the staff from Mexico are now in China setting up the assembly line. They have a project timeline breakdown with a full gantt chart, testing phase begins in 1 week, pre-certification process is slated for start of October and Pilot batch manufacturing (the first 250 machines) at the start of November. As for Ryd doing a review, when mine finally arrives, plan is for him to borrow mine. I still am quietly confident they will deliver. The delays have been disappointing to me as well, but I pretty much expected it.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Wow, it seema quite a machine, with delivery and. conversion to AUD$ It will probably be over 10k. A bit step up from my Profitec Pro 600
@@78pianist yeh it could be expensive but at least you just have the currency conversion, no distribution fees of middle men be ause Decent sell only direct to consumer. 🙌👌
"smartest, sexiest, and artistic coffee machine the world has ever seen. Bar none. " quite a claim given you've never used one. i added led extraction lights on my la spaziale. i declined the multi color led option since i just wanted to see the shot pulled. my mod uses a remote control that can increase, decrease intensity and also a blinking and flashing mode i call "disko mode" that i dont use. total cost under 10usd. also works as a kitchen night lite. the bengle wood panels and tilt are nice.
No iOS, no deal. Odd that they wouldn’t support that first - generally speaking, iOS users are more affluent (or at least more inclined to spend more money) than Android users so I think it would be a better demographic for this type of machine (I know I will get flamed for this comment 😮).
I’ll never buy a Decent. Had a horrible customer experience on simple accessories. Will never buy their machines. And the Bengle goes even further away from anything I would ever want. That’s ok, there are consumers that will want what I don’t. But I’m very happy to not have FOMO for a product from a company I will always avoid!
It isn't because they want to ignore iOS users. They want it to be open source so anyone can build on the coding and not get killed off by big companies (ie: like Google just did with Python). There is an app called Despresso which works with iOS and Android. People have had success with using that app instead.
This comment appears to be based on a misconception. They provide a tablet with a UI for you to use. However, you don't typically use your phone or own tablet to control the machine, nor do you typically install or use *any* other software on the tablet Decent provides. What do you care which OS runs on that tablet? You barely (if ever) see the tablet OS (except to click an icon to open the Decent app).
Decent DE1PRO has the same functionality especially compared to 110v bengle, a vibratory pump, same software and can be fitted with a 3 hole steam wand tip, water tank cover and a larger tablet for almost 60% of the bengle price. also last I checked the thermometer probe is not on the end of the steam wand. It is a separate hard wired thermometer clipped adjacently to the steam wand. I think it is a mistake to call the bengle best value for buck. it is a quality of life upgrade over the DE1PRO with improvements, many of which de1pro owners can already install. Now I would call this machine a real upgrade if they increase the max fill rate. In my opinion, decent is too focused on filling a price bracket to compete than actually improving their product.
The vibratory pump is driven differently in the Bengle, resulting (as they claim, I have no way to confirm or deny) in less noise and better control. IIUC, it's not possible to retrofit that into the DE1PRO.
You are right about the temp probe. And you are right that it is - to a large extend - mainly a bunch of quality of life improvements, especially with the built-in scale and the temperature probe. The user facing software is largely the same, but e.g. there is no way to connect a good-enough temp probe to the DE1PRO (or it's tablet/software).
Max fill rate is roughly the same, but steaming power on the 220V/230V model is definitely higher than on the DE1PRO XL (it's about the same as on the few XXLs they made).
The new tip on the steam wand is nice, as is the actual cool-touch all around steam wand (including where it goes into the machine, unlike on the DE1PRO) which is a safety improvement.
The ability to attach the tablet via a cable not just for charging but also for the control flow is nice, too, as it makes it (slightly) more reliable in electronically busy environments.
It's certainly not a machine for everyone and I hope that at least the steam tip, the different use of the pumps and maybe, eventually, the new steam wand in its entirety make it to a future variant of the DE1.
That said, I'll most likely buy a Bengle when it becomes available. I'd prefer a black body with light wood, but the white body also fits decently well into my coffee station. And I really want the built-in scale and the cool touch steam wand in particular.
if you can afford it, it’s definitely a nice addition. In my situation (110v), I don't see enough of a "real upgrade" that justifies selling the DE1pro and spending over 3k (likely more if they start selling refurbished units from their trade-in) to get the Bengle, unless they significantly increase the fill rate over what I have. The pump noise doesn't bother me at all; it actually helped me realize something was wrong when the flush valve wasn’t working properly because the pump noise was different from what I’m used to.
If you haven't tried the DSX2 theme, I highly recommend it. You can set your milk pitcher’s weight and calibrate the steaming temperature by time, so you don't need a thermometer if you weigh the milk. I haven't used a thermometer in ages, and it gets the steaming temps just right for me. I also like the black color and hope they introduce it in future iterations. Right now, I see the price point as an attempt to fill a price bracket and compete against more expensive machines rather than providing value through innovation or performance over the existing line. Titles like "mind-blowing" and making it seem like a real upgrade for the money is where I disagree with the UA-camr's sales pitch. For the cost, I recommend DE1pro and high end grinder. You will have the same software, most likely the same extraction ability(if they don't increase fill rate) and better coffee with good grinder.
@@DR19X totally understandable. Yeah, I agree that it's not mind-blowing, compared to the DE1. Compared to single head machines in the same price range, it still is, but the DE1 costs about half and has most of the same features especially on 110V.
I know about DSX skin and I'm streaming just fine without it or a thermometer, just by being consistent with the amount of milk, I'm pretty much spot on all the time, for both amounts I use (ok, it auto stops on the higher amount).
Anyhow, the Bengle isn't for everyone. And frankly, if someone wouldn't be interested in the different profiles, they might be better off with a more traditional machine. And for those who want to play with profiles, the DE1 is often the better choice.
I'd compare the choice to choosing between a Miata (aka MX5) and a Porsche. Both are fun sports cars, one is significantly more expensive and a bit better, but for many, the cheaper choice makes a lot more sense. Especially when you actually have a speed limit on highways (or a lower voltage). 😜
It may not be mind blowing if you already have a De1xl but to the gen pop and those who have never seen a Decent, I definitely think it is. And let's recognise how much Decent is actually driving innovation in the coffee world. What other company has a full drip tray scale? Or a thermometer steamwand?
“I make coffee better than 90% of the world.” You and I both😂
I'll likely get one as there's nothing that comes close for accuracy, transportability and appreciate the tech compared to my You, but I wish it had a more desirable/sexy look for high-end modern kitchens. Definitely doesn't reach out and say buy me. It's more cute and odd little toy. Where are the premium metal finishes? Don't know, maybe I need to see it in person.
Oh it's all premium metal and timber, believe me. It might look like plastic in the images but the whole body is powder coated ss albeit a few parts that might be silicone. I haven't seen the Bengle in person, but I have the De1XL and it is premium look and feel, anyone who sees it and uses it agrees and I can only imagine the Bengle is very close to the SR You in feel too.
Absolutely right that nothing comes close to it in terms of accuracy, tech, versatility and transportability.
@@Rydecoffeecoach premium metal finishes such as polished stainless steel/chromes etc. The wood looks cheap like an ikea product and an out-of-place design choice. The coloured options worse again. Just tough with the Australian kitchen styles etc. Think he just comes from a very different style background. Don't think it holds a candle to the You in looks. The You is damn frustrating to use though, over it.
Cool touch steam wand?
Yep👌
Very cool! Thanks for the early heads up mate!
If they do stained wood in fun colors that is awesome! Love this upgrade on the Decent.
This could get me to pull the Decent trigger.
do more videos on this! Your videos are now part of my rotation because theyre very informative and well done! Cheers from the States, from a former barista!
Thank you! 🙌
You know something is wrong when machines hypes lights and apps and looks, rather than making coffee, less is more, just focus on simplicity, reliability and coffee everything else is irrelevant.
Looks amazing but 6k is an actual joke. Depresso
Don't take this wrong way I think the Decent machine is a game changer but not for me, I got my first E61 machine been having so much fun with it, the Decent to me is like Buying a pair of high end stereo speakers then buying a sound board to make the speaker sound like different high end speakers and need analyzer to see if the sound coming from the speaker is right, just my thoughts.
😅 all good. Everyone's opinion matters! 🙌🙌
Hopefully they fix the terrible sound of the motor, especially if they plan to sell this for $6k
Where can you find that mug?
“No more reach around!” Said no man ever. 😂
“Speaking of sliding in and out …”
Reacting to a spec sheet - top content 👍🏽
They want $6,000 for a expresso machine with LED lights. Very hard pass
I hope they have changed the horrendous sounding vibration pump.
I personally actually like the sound of the pump. They haven't changed to a different pump, but they now use amplitude modulation to drive it (at a more pleasant frequency) instead of frequency modulation like they did with the DE1.
Is the price difference worth it? I guess not..
This review is all watching ryde himself talking. Should be alot more demonstrated using the machine
Any information on the "Kuku Espresso machine" ?
really nice. but i do not know enough to use one of them. and know nothing about profiling. i think the micra would do me even that is dear but apparently worth it.
You are way more flexible on pouring different kind of coffee with a decent. There is a bit of a learning curve here as the decent basically gives you full control over all kind of parameters on how a shot is pulled. No other machine on the market is able to do that currently. Maybe the You comes into the range here - with an even higher pricetag.
The de1 is already perfect and a lot cheaper than the upcoming Bengle... Ok, some fancy lightning and the embedded scale are missing though.
With the classic machine concepts like the Micra - you can just pull the shot. No way non changing anything beside the temperature (which is probably not even measured on top of the puck). No pressure profiling, no stop on weight (ok, if you by the 400$ "special" Lunar)...
It is still a decent, still a tablet, still vibratory pump. I dislike the look, prefer a more tactical feel and still an overload of information. Definitely not for me.
Ryde, Can you review the meticulous. I’ve poured my money into that kickstarter and none of use backers know wtf is happening.
Yes I debated whether to back it or not. In the end, I opted not to because of the high tech and the risk that another company would beat them to market. I've had it happen in the past on Kickstarter with Tech projects because it all moves so fast.
I think they will get there but there may be delays. I can definitely do a video about it if I can find the time. 🤞👌
Carlos still has been updating every month, I am a backer too however I expect delays because project timelines in theory and real world are always two different things and if its your first project, you don't know the unknown unknowns (i.e. how much lead time on interdependent tasks, etc). Kickstarters are notorious for always being late.
Last update was the plastic moulds are done, a few of the staff from Mexico are now in China setting up the assembly line. They have a project timeline breakdown with a full gantt chart, testing phase begins in 1 week, pre-certification process is slated for start of October and Pilot batch manufacturing (the first 250 machines) at the start of November. As for Ryd doing a review, when mine finally arrives, plan is for him to borrow mine.
I still am quietly confident they will deliver. The delays have been disappointing to me as well, but I pretty much expected it.
Will this machine be able to be plumbed in? Thanks for your videos
Yes! 🙌
@@Rydecoffeecoach Wow, it seema quite a machine, with delivery and. conversion to AUD$ It will probably be over 10k. A bit step up from my Profitec Pro 600
@@78pianist yeh it could be expensive but at least you just have the currency conversion, no distribution fees of middle men be ause Decent sell only direct to consumer. 🙌👌
~AU$10,000? Really??!!
The blue and white coffee cup please tell me where it’s from
I’m not sure but it looks like MK ceramics
"smartest, sexiest, and artistic coffee machine the world has ever seen. Bar none. " quite a claim given you've never used one. i added led extraction lights on my la spaziale. i declined the multi color led option since i just wanted to see the shot pulled. my mod uses a remote control that can increase, decrease intensity and also a blinking and flashing mode i call "disko mode" that i dont use. total cost under 10usd. also works as a kitchen night lite. the bengle wood panels and tilt are nice.
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The lights are gimmicky.
No iOS, no deal. Odd that they wouldn’t support that first - generally speaking, iOS users are more affluent (or at least more inclined to spend more money) than Android users so I think it would be a better demographic for this type of machine (I know I will get flamed for this comment 😮).
Yeah this isn't true at all, most coffee nerds use android because we like having control and not locked down by Apple
My Google Pixel fold costs more than iPhones but according to you I'm some broke plebe
@@doylebbq4329pixel user here, wondering which pixel costs more than an iPhone?
Also...I agree with your point
@@MiShO10O0O pixel fold cost me $1800
Wtf $6k ? Lol
I’ll never buy a Decent. Had a horrible customer experience on simple accessories. Will never buy their machines. And the Bengle goes even further away from anything I would ever want. That’s ok, there are consumers that will want what I don’t. But I’m very happy to not have FOMO for a product from a company I will always avoid!
Only on Android?? Really??? Because IOS users aren’t a core demographic, are they?? SMH.
100%. It’s what has kept me from the decent machine other than maybe the sound.
It isn't because they want to ignore iOS users. They want it to be open source so anyone can build on the coding and not get killed off by big companies (ie: like Google just did with Python).
There is an app called Despresso which works with iOS and Android. People have had success with using that app instead.
@@RydecoffeecoachPython is far from dead, 3 products I specialise in are purely written in Python
@@Rydecoffeecoachindeed why limit yourself to apple
Core demographic in the USA lol.
Should have a link
A link to what though? It's not out yet.
I could link to the company but there's nothing on there about the Bengle.
Strange choice to be Android only, when iOS users spend more money.
Still, looks interesting, but not enough to buy it at that price.
Apple will sue you if you release a product that integrates an Apple product.
This isn't true, most Android top end phones cost more than iPhones.
Apple isn't user friendly for coffee nerds and people like you are the worst. Only people who buy Apple can afford anything according to you 🤡
This comment appears to be based on a misconception. They provide a tablet with a UI for you to use.
However, you don't typically use your phone or own tablet to control the machine, nor do you typically install or use *any* other software on the tablet Decent provides. What do you care which OS runs on that tablet? You barely (if ever) see the tablet OS (except to click an icon to open the Decent app).
Yeh exactly, the app is the app, who cares if it's iOS? You're not using it for anything else.