TASCAM DR-10L PRO Review - 32-bit float Audio Recorder for Video
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- In this episode we review the new TASCAM DR-10L PRO lavalier micro recorder. This audio recorder can be used instead of wireless microphone systems. Instead of sending the audio wirelessly back to your camera or audio recorder, the audio is recorded on the body pack. Then in post production, you sync the audio to the video clips. And the DR-10L PRO makes that pretty easy with timecode support. It also records 32-bit float wide dynamic range audio so the chances of your sound clipping or distorting is much lower than with traditional recorders. Let’s take a closer look and listen!
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Index
00:00 Summary
00:10 Intro
01:00 32-bit float!
01:51 Improved battery life
02:17 Bluetooth option
03:34 Pros
04:07 Battery life
04:30 Included lav is pretty good!
04:37 Sound samples
05:16 Practical noise floor sample
06:14 Interchangeable mics
06:31 Beware under-volting.
07:06 Lock mode
07:41 Micro SC to XC
07:57 App control
08:35 Timecode
09:00 Auto-save feature
09:23 Headphone jack
09:41 RF interference
10:22 Included: RX Elements!
10:52 Pricing
11:15 Cons: tiny screen
11:39 Menu navigation
11:45 Bluetooth limitations
12:44 No monitoring from app
13:34 Bluetooth sold separately
13:43 Mediocre headphone amp
14:12 Compared to other micro-recorders
17:08 Compared to micro-wireless
18:51 The verdict…
19:47 Please buy my courses
Correction: Tentacle Sync sells battery replacement kits for the Track E recorder. At B&H Photo/Video the kits run $60 USD at the time of this review. At the Tentacle Sync online shop, they are listed at 15 EUR plus shipping. For those in the US, shipping puts the total close to $60 USD.
Curtis, can you do an update on the Tentacle track e with the new monitoring option along with the quality of the monitoring option?
Also you mentioned briefly about wireless microphone system like the DJI but can you also do a review on the new Hollyland Lark Max?
Question? What do you think of using a DJI and reversing it to make it a poormans comtek?
I rented a comtek and it was hissing and popping in and out. I originally thought frequency but couldn't get it to work. I made a quick solution using The dji and made the transmitter through headphone splitter block and reviver on the director and it was cleaner and didn't drop anywhere near as much as the expensive rented comtek.
(I assume a new one wouldn't be having these issues and it wasn't rf)
What issues am o not thinking of? What advantages do newer wireless monitor receivers have over this much cheaper solution?
Cons?
Pros?
If no video then just a small responce would suffice.
I don't use DJI unless I can't get a good wireless signal like in a bathroom where audio isn't local and worried I will have rf issues and now I will record on the person.
@@jeffrey3205 The new monitoring option is one device at a time. It has noticeable latency, but is good enough to check in periodically and make sure you don't have any major issues. That's the update on that. 👍
No promises on the Hollyland Lark Max review. Will try, but not certain we'll have time.
@@Acebandet167 If it works and it sounds good, then it is good. Where it will fall apart is on sets with a ton of RF, especially 2.4GHz. That's where newer UHF systems are preferred - you can change the frequency you're using to adapt to the situation.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for to responce, I assumed those things. But wasn't sure if there was an issue I wasn't thinking of. Thanks for the responce Thanks Again!
Again the best videos on UA-cam about this topic, the best made reviews, etc.
Thanks a lot!
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Thats the best video review and comparison on Tascam! You answered all my questions. Thanks again, Curtis
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I wanna give some love for great contents you make! Quite informative and direct to the point. You are go-to when it come to audio and lights!
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I always appreciate your e-waste concerns Curtis. Keep on these manufacturers!
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I have been waiting for a review on this, and I am glad it was you. So thorough and detailed. Great video. Now I hope they release a DR-10X Pro
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And now for the RODE Wireless PRO comparison…new products everyday! Great review. Thanks, as always 👍🏽
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another great review, Curtis. thanks. I really liked the original DR-10L and bought 2 of them. served me really well for years and still going strong. i've used them many times as the only audio solution with cameras that don't have xlr inputs, but also loads of times as a back-up audio record in critical client interviews. really priceless peace of mind knowing a completely self-contained audio capture is being undertaken that doesn't transmit - saved me a couple of times! personally i've never found having to sync without uniform timecode much trouble in post, but that's a function of the bulk of my work - interviews with long takes. when that uniform TC across cameras and audio is so, so useful is multicam set-ups that range over a long shooting period with lots of stop starts. then it's proved priceless (we've generally used Tentacles for those shoots).
Agree on all points.
Fantastic video. Super concise, with good info. I am currently in the market for a tiny 32 bit wav recorder and it's pretty much between the Tascam and Zoom F2, and this review was extremely helpful in laying out the pros and cons. Thank you!
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What a thorough review! Great video Curtis, the DR-10L Pro seems like a great product! I love that all these companies are moving towards 32-bit float audio. It is a game changer for solo filmmakers like myself. I wonder if camera companies will ever incorporate 32-bit float internally for scratch audio?
I wonder the same. Thanks!
Very precise and informative as always, thanks.
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FANTASTIC Video!!! Subbed and loved!
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By the way @curtis judd you are the most thorough reviewer in internet history man. I appreciate all the time you spend breaking it all down to pieces. I love that honest opinion about it at the end. Thank you.
Thanks @DavidGriffin. 🙏
Yes!!! another gadget that I have been looking for a good review!!! Thank you!
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Thanks as always. very insightful and informative.
Thanks!
Amazing review!! I really appreciated the in depth comparison to the Track E and Zoom F2, as well as the deeper dive into timecode. A lot of the other reviews I've seen on the the DR-10L Pro kinda gloss over the timecode so it was super nice seeing you go over that in detail.
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Another great review Curtis. As mentioned by a previous poster, Tentacle Sync has a battery replacement kit available. Regarding plug-in power: the Tentacle Sync uses 5volts. A previous poster asked about using battery powered electret mics with mini plug. Should work perfectly with any of the recorders mentioned. One use case not discussed is to feed the recorder from the unbalanced output of another device ( G3 transmitter, some Sound Devices mixers with mini jack mic level, or padded -10 line. In this case a DC blocking resistor would be required in the connecting cable. Balanced XLR outputs “should” be ok without the capacitor. Bias voltage can cause audio issues, or even cause damage to the source device output.
Thanks for the insights, Chris.
Well done, as always, Curtis. I own both the Rode Wireless Go II and the DJI wireless mic systems and the reason I prefer these, as a solo operator, is that (as you mentioned), I can monitor the audio from my camera. It offers great piece of mind to know the sound is coming through. Also, since they both record internally (the DJI doesn't require software to access the files), any potential drop outs--something I haven't experienced on either--I could always cover that audio mishap with the recording directly from the recorder. One thing I DON'T like about both of these wireless systems--and the DR-10L offers--is a locking plug-in. That offers a peace of mind that I would really appreciate. I hope Rode and DJI consider this in their subsequent versions of these products. Again, great work as always, Curtis.
👍 Good suggestion for RØDE and DJI.
I have two of the older models and think they work very well. I do like the concept of the wireless feature of the DJI, provided it is reliable.
Wireless is never 100% reliable.
Hi Curtis thanks for this video. Great content you provide. Does this unit have support for a USB adapter to attach directly into a phone or laptop to capture audio for streaming purposes? I believe the DJI Mic 2 has this feature.
Thanks so much for this!!! I was debating about getting these and replacing my Rode GO II's
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This is a really great video!
Thanks!
I own a collection of sound recorders (half thanks to Curtis showing me things I get excited about lol), including the Zoom F2-BT, the Rode Wireless Go II and the DJI Mic. I LOVE 32-bit float, but as an independent creator who has to wear multiple hats all the time, I gravitate towards the DJI and Rode solutions for 2 reasons... rechargeable battery and built in mics. I agree with Curtis -- replaceable batteries are more practical long term and for long shoots, but if you're a vlogger, running around, solely responsible for everything, the less I carry the better. If you're recording non-stop all day, the Wireless Go II and DJI Mic are not as practical. But if you're vlogging, shooting in bursts or just a few long interviews, it's easier to recharge a device than carry extra batteries. The DJI Mic also comes with a battery charging case.
I also have issues with the Zoom F2-BT. The battery light is confusing & the record/stop function is goofy. I've had a situation where I thought it was recording and got absolutely nothing. I don't think there's a backup system to the Zoom F2 or the Tascam DR-10L Pro. The Rode and the DJI both have the ability to record independently into the mic device and without a lav if you so wish. But if I use a receiver, I can send a backup track to the camera or dedicated sound recorder. The interface on the Rode and DJI is a lot nicer and easier to read than what I'm seeing from the Tascam DR-10L Pro.
I keep hoping for a 32-bit float version of the Rode Wireless Go II or the DJI Mic... or conversely a Zoom F2-BT that feels a lot more like the DJI Mic. A system can be rechargeable-battery-based. Rode essentially did this with the VideoMic Pro+ Camera-Mount Shotgun Microphone. Seems like there's room for a device still that can marry the best of both worlds.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
how the instamic pro plus wireless mic with 32 bit float audio?
@@zogun I haven’t used it so I’m not sure
In your opinion, can the audio handle from the fx30 record good audio, say, paired with the MKH50?
I haven’t worked with the FX30 but I don’t see why not.
@@curtisjudd thank you
Excellent review, as usual from you! In my humble opinion, the key decision-maker would be the external ecosystem that the buyer is into. I already had Tentacle Sync E units and RØDE Lavalier 2 mics, so I went with the Tentacle Track E Basic (without their lav).
Agreed, makes sense.
Kudos for warning a very large audience about the possibility of a lav mic clipping (especially in the opera singer, etc. examples, but even an actor saying a very loud line when mic'ed closely and ideally), which is a critical nuance to the assumptions about any 32-bit float workflow. As you've noted in the preview livestream, it's extremely frustrating to find a lav mic with wide dynamic range. The included lav is specifically the Tascam TM-10L.
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Hey Curtis, great vid as always. What in your opinion is a high quality Lav replacement for the tentacle E?
Sanken COS-11D is good - durable and EQs well.
Great video once again. I purchased the DR 10L on your recommendation and recently the unit stopped working. It just produced static, but I liked it when it was working.
So I have the Tascam Portacapture X6, and I wanted to use timecode with that as well. Can I sync this new DR 10L pro via BT timecode to it's sister device the Tascam Portacapture X6 , considering they use the same Bluetooth adaptor?
I haven’t tried that but Tascam support should be able to confirm.
I like my old one, it does just fine for now. The new features would help those with more complex projects. The other thing I did was upgrade the included stock mic with an Oscar 802 lavalier.
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Thanks for another informative, in depth and enjoyable video Curtis. Could this be used with a self powered external mic with 3.5mm jack, such as a Sennheiser MKE 600, or Rode Video Mic Pro + rather than just a lav? Cheers.
Hi Joe, I just tested with the MKE600 into the DR-10L Pro and yes, it works nicely. Sounds great.
@@curtisjudd Nice one. Cheers Curtis👍
As someone who records opera singers regularly, as well as recording projects that involve the dynamic range of spoken word to full operatic singing, 32bit float has intrigued me ever since learning about it! I would love the opportunity to see how it fares under these operatic circumstances! Definitely a true note about the microphone likely to overload before the device does, but it would still be something I'd love to explore with a device like this!
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I've never have been happy with laving any loud singer like in opera. They over power the mic capsule. I far prefer boundary mics or dynamic when circumstances permit. I don't think 32bit would help.
@@petercofrancesco9812 only if you use a mic that can handle the sound pressure levels. Some of the pro lavaliers are made with low sensitivity versions for this purpose.
@@curtisjudd exactly! There's a great video of Adam Savage on his tested channel going through the mic process for Hamilton, and all the singers have lav mics. Definitely has to be a combo with the right mic, and not just getting the right transmitter! The best situation for the 32 bit float with opera singers would be for a recorded masterclass. Where you're bouncing back and forth between jet engine volume, and regular spoken dialogue! All's that to say, this tech is so exciting, and thanks for your review Curtis!
Looks like a great bit of kit...
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I have the older Tascam DR-10L as well as the Rode GO II system. I tend to go for the Rode system more often because it transmits to the camera, and I can monitor it, as well as recording on the Tx units which actually saved me a couple times before. HOWEVER, sometimes I have the opportunity to record stand-up comics, and I love to put the DR-10L on them when they go on stage because it does a great job capturing the comics voice, minimizing the crowd noise and the key factor is that I know it's not going to interfere with the house wireless system. So, for that reason, I still love my DR-10L and the new unit looks like a worthy upgrade.
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I have used the Tascam in my sound work all the time. TBH, I prefer the sound of a shotgun mic, but what I tell my clients is I love giving them a choice; so I mic up the talent with the Tascam and boom mic the scene.
I love redundancy.
I have never heard any complaints about the sound from the Tascam.
Wonder why Tascam doesn’t give full power to the lavs. Maybe cost, maybe as you said, they've optimized their lavs.
I agree, the Tascam lavs are fine.
Also, they take a fair amount of abuse. I don't baby my equipment.
Thank you Curtis for yet another very informative video! My experience with the Tascam DR-10L is that I really want to love it, if it wasn't for the ridiculously small and fidgety sliding control button and small display. I just always feel a little bit insecure about if the recorder is doing what I want or not. Especially in a low light environment it's pretty much guesswork what's going on. My ideal mini recorder would be the Tascam DR-10L Pro with a big red record button like the Zoom F2-BT. / ALL WELL FROM SWEDEN!
👍 Fine feedback for TASCAM.
I agree that the display is small and a bit hard to read, but if you buy the optional BT1 and use the free app, it's a game changer...Every single setting on the DR-10L Pro is available on the app, and it is much, much easier to read and operate. All of the settings that you might change are remembered by the pack so even if you disconnect the phone app, you can put the unit into recording mode manually and it remembers your settings. I've never had a problem with the sliding control as it seems to be designed to use your thumbnail...once you get used to it, it becomes second nature, but that's just me!
Great video! For me, I see this product for personal use only or if you are a content creator. If you do videos for clients, not being able to monitor the sound from a distance, it's a no-go. I cannot even conceive it :). Trusting the device to record without any noise, hiss or when doing interviews and the interviewee has a jacket/shirt/necklace which then rubs against the lav or close to it, you need to be a special kind of person to trust it without constantly monitoring the sound.
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Hi Curtis! Thank you so much for your outstanding review! The review was very informative. Unfortunately, I don't think this is going to work for me. I need to be able to monitor the audio for outside jobs where I am at least 25-50 feet away from the stage where the subject is wearing the lav mic. I guess the Track E is my only solution or get the old school wireless lav mic solution?
Yes, probably wireless.
Thanks for your reviewing. One thing, is it possible to record music instruments having advantage of 32 bits flow?
I wouldn’t use this for music recording but you can use 32-bit float for recording music. Consider the RØDE NT1 5th gen for example: ua-cam.com/video/KD_MibmVUGk/v-deo.html
I can't wait for your review on the Rode Wireless PRO. For me the Tascam has the edge by having replaceable batteries, but the Rode wins because Timecode generator + all the other features for that price is just unbelievable value. Thank you DJI for bringing competition 😁
Looking forward to it myself! But also, I wouldn’t count DJI out. I’m betting they’ll have an answer as well.
I love my Tentacle Sync and Track-E recorders (I have 4 Track-E) though I use Sanken COS-11D mics with them and they have only failed me once, and that was an operator error. Now that I've semi-retired I'm not looking for anything, I do have the DJI wireless Mic as well. As you said Tentacle has a bigger footprint and as a package, they're hard to beat! If all you need is a recorder I think it is not the best choice probably.
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Great! It would be interesting to compare it with the old Tascam DR-03. Thank you!
Noted! I don’t have one on hand, unfortunately.
I’m hoping you may cover the new Godox Video M2. Even though it’s a less expensive system, it packs a punch.
Cool. You use it?
@@curtisjudd I have been testing it, and also just did a video about it. It’s a decent setup.
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Great review as always! Can you tell me what cards you use? I just purchased 4 recorders and I have tried 5 different Sandisk cards and just get “File Not Found” and the menu button doesn’t work unless I remove the card.
I used a very old SanDisk card.
Looks good.
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Had the sound turned way up and the intro scared the bejesus out of me, haha. 😂
Manage those levels, friend.
I find my zoom f2 to be tricky to use, the interface isnt super clear when its recording or not. Would the tascam be better? Can you play back directly from the unit!?
It is ok, on the Tascam and you can play back.
I know I´m late, and my question might be stupid since I really never used an atomos ultrasync, but when you say you can use the app Or the timcode, you mean that I can only have timecode if I don´t use the app? Also, I need an ultrasync for every DL? if I fot example have 6 of them on a shoot, can I sync them at the beginning an keep the ultrasync connected to my camera, AND use the app to change settings? Thank you very much for your videos they are very very good and have helped me for years now to understand a little bit better the audio part of audiovisual.
At any given time you can connect to the app or connect to the Ultrasync. So you’ll set everything up with the app first. The connect and stay connected to the Ultrasync for the rest of the recording. I didn’t have multiple units so I’m not sure how it works in those cases.
For vlogging outdoors what do you think of that sound when compared to the mic-recorder of DJIMic2 and the RodeWirelessPro?
I prefer the RODE Wireless PRO
Very helpful…
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Great review as always. I have the older model although I like all the new features I've never had any clipping issue for spoken voice. Not being able to monitor is the biggest drawback. Is this limitation patent issue with Zaxcom? I also find the mic cable to be stiff susceptible to handling noise if not secured. Nice product just a lot of competition for type of device.
Bluetooth bandwidth or patent issues, I’m not sure.
@@curtisjudd Since we have bluetooth headphones that don't have a problem transmitting audio, I'm more inclined to believe it's a patent related. But no way to know for sure.
@@petercofrancesco9812 yes, but the app has to transmit additions data for the meters and settings as well so there *might be bandwidth issues as well. Tentacle Sync’s app allows you to listen to a single recorder from the app at a a time, but not multiple recorders at the same time.
I want to see a DR 10x Pro!!!
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We now have several recording devices on the market from at least three major players in this space (Zoom, Tascam, Sound Devices) that feature 32-bit float recording.
Setting aside all of the other differences (form factor, size, number inputs, other features) and focusing just on the 32-bit capabilities, have you found any significant differences in how (and how well) each company has implemented that specific feature? Has any one of them done a better job with their implementation of 32-bit float, or is that technology level across these manufacturers?
Thanks in advance for considering my question.
Great question, but one that is very difficult to answer, particularly with the poor quality microphones that each comes with. Subjectively, I didn't notice any major differences in terms of 32-bit float conversion. But the microphones are all pretty crunchy sounding.
As someone who already has the Tentacle Track E, what microphone would you suggest I get as a replacement to improve the audio quality? (for normal, talking head content)
Sanken COS-11D sounded pretty good.
Do you recommend using something like the AT899 with either this tascam or zoom f2 using a xlr to 3.5mm? If using the adapter do you lose quality? If not, lav mic would you use, based on sound, with a 3.5mm. Also, what would you buy? This tascam or zoomf2?
I’d go with the Tascam. I would bother adapting the AT899, too bulky.
Can the zoom app control multiple blutooth f2’s?
Tascam have done well here making it so you can control 5 .
Not at the same time, when I tested it 2 years ago. Not sure if they’ve fixed that.
Wish tascam will launch pro version of DR-10 CS, so I could output to Sennheiser G4 pack, plus get the 32-bit float backup recording.
Technically you can do that with the headphone out on this, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
Looking for something like this that I could use as a secondary (backup) recorder in case of corrupt files. Mono mix, maybe line out of my bag. Set it and forget it. Any of these have the capability or is there anything like that in this price point? Thx!
This can do that. It is an unbalanced mic level input so you’ll need to adapt to that…
Would have liked to see some options of shotgun mics you could pair with this like the Rode NTG4+ wich have their phantompower inside. Or is there is a big nono with this setup? Seems like a good affordable way to get some nice float audio.
Should work, though these don’t have the most amazing preamps so for XLR mics, I’d go with a ZOOM F3 or greater
@@curtisjudd Oh that is a good point. A friend of mine is looking to pair the TASCAM Dr10L pro with a rode ntg4+. But I think this will just be trial and error to see what works! But the small price difference might be reason enough to choose for the ZOOM F3. !Update! he is going for the zoom F3 thanks for your time Curtis!
what do you think? getting this or the Sennheiser EW-DP and is there a transmitter to get it directly into the camera?
I’d probably opt for EW-DP but that doesn’t apply to everyone. Every workflow is a little different.
Can I plug into an amp output or DJ desk?? I'd normally use a Zoom h4n but it's large and difficult.
Not without some fiddly adapters since this has an unbalanced 3.5mm microphone input.
Do you recall which had better self noise performance between the Tascam and Zoom portable 32 bit recorders?
Not off the top of my head, but I think the Tascam (note that self noise is largely contributed by the lavalier mic you use, secondarily by the recorder)
Hey, just got mine yesterday and had a few questions. Should I be able to see all the files on the SD card that is in a device connected via Bluetooth? It is only showing the file currently recording. Also, when I click play on a recorded file (in the app), I hear nothing on my phone. Should I be able to? I know I can't monitor a file while it's recording. But should I be able to preview it on the app after it has recorded? Thx!
No, no sound goes to the app for monitoring, including files already recorded. Should be able to see the files, yes
How is the zoom's record volume vs the tascams?
Depends on how you set the gain level on the Tascam. That’s a differentiator.
Great review. One important consideration when compared to the zoom F2 BT (Bluetooth version), the F2 does not allow for multiple units to connect to the app simultaneously. You can only connect one at a time. This is a huge negative. The Tascam allows 5 units to connect to the app. So if you are shooting a film or wedding with more than one person, the zoom is a no go.
Good point, thanks!
Seems like a pretty good deal. The audio in this video does seem overprocessed, but that could be just me.
When you say lithium AAA batteries, do you mean the Eneloopes?
Also, can you power this recorder over USB while using it?
No, eneloop are Ni-MH. I mean lithium disposable batteries.
@@curtisjudd Any particular brands you can recommend? Never tried those:)
@@yawningmarmot No, I don't use disposable batteries when I can avoid it. But you might try the Energizer Ultimate-Lithium.
@@curtisjudd My bad, I missed the part where you said disposable. Thought you were talking about rechargable ones. Thanks for the reply anyway! :)
I watched this on my phone. I could hear some noise (hiss-like). Is it due to over processing or the sound coming out of the DR 10L pro is not up to the competition?
We measured the practical noise floor and it is not a problem.
This question is irrelevant to the review, but is it possible to recording 32-bit float with a USB mic going into a DAW? Do all USB mics essentially have a pre-amp built-in?
Yes, they all have a preamp and an analogue to digital converter.
This will be my first purchase of this kind of device so what kind of recording length does one get on say 32GB SD? How much bigger are 32 bit floated files?
Check the audio calculator here: www.sounddevices.com/support/
@@curtisjudd Fascinating! that helps a lot..
Looks a bit Zoom like to me with as you say no obvious winner. Probably for anyone serious about trying to use time code the Tentacle Track-E is still the go to option unless budget is everything.
I'm waiting to see what Deity's soon to launched unit looks like. I'd appreciate you reviewing that when it's out, late summer I understand. Then I will know if I should budget for that or Track-E units (I want two) to run with Cos11D lavs.
I plan to purchase a THEOS kit and review it.
Will they make a PRO version of the XLR unit?
I hope so!
do you think i should buy this or i should buy the zoom F2
I’d buy this.
How’s the Rode wireless Go mic ii when using 32 bit float?
It clips before it ever gets to a true 32-bit float recorder.
Hi Curtis, would you review the rode wireless pro?
Yes 👍 working on it presently.
Cool, thank you!
Unless they changed somenthing re. timecode connectivity, the problem is that, even if you get a Blue unit to send TC to the recorder via the app, you can not jam Tentacles or other sync boxes to the same TC source.. so it is a bit of a deal breaker if you want to use this recorder along your current equipment or more "universal" TC equipment
You can use an Ultrasync One which CAN jam with a wire to almost any timecode generator, including Tentacle sync.
@@curtisjudd Oh yes yes, forgot about that. I was in the situation for a project time ago and discarded the option because the ONE was too expensive for the project to use it just as a bridge. But yes, I stand corrected, my apologies! Thanks : )
Would you say it would be a good investment to upgrade my Rode Videomic (You know the one with the big battery in it) to a Rode Videomic NTG or is the difference not worth the 240 dollars?
Going to use it for vlogging and stuff on camera, so not so Pro.
No, not in terms of audio quality.
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which is better the Zoom F2 or this?
We cover that at the end. 😀
@Curtis Which devices can be synched with the Deity TC-1 timecode generator via Bluetooth?
Just other DEITY devices - their slate and THEOS wireless.
@@curtisjudd Too bad, I like those.
I wonder who will be the first to offer a wireless option like the rode but with backup 32bit float recording on each transmitter? I’m guessing that will be the next version of the rode
That’s exactly what I was hoping to hear in this video. Otherwise, this DR 10L Pro is Tascam’s version of Zoom’s F2.
Zaxcom already does something like this, sort of, in a slightly different way. But they’re serving a different market. Will be interesting to see if RØDE does it.
I’d rather stick to 24 bit backup recording but do have wireless monitoring. It is not this difficult to get the recording level right: just leave enough headroom and your audio will be fine. BUT if you have a rustling lavalier and are not aware of this because you don’t have monitoring, than you loose the complete audio track !!!
@@_Thumbnail_ Fair perspective and usually I use wireless.
Which device has the best recorded sound quality, the Tascam DR-10 L Pro or the Rode Wireless Pro (with the included lavalier mics)?
Which device has the best recorded sound quality, the Tascam DR-10 L Pro or the Zoom F2 (with the included lavalier mics)?
Thank you…
To my ears, the RODE sounded better than the Tascam or ZOOM with the included microphones.
I was considering getting an F2 or Tascam DR-10L, but then you came out with this review and i think i will choose the Tascam DR-10L Pro over the other 2.
For me the only reason i was considering the Zoom F2 over the Tascam DR-10L was because of 32bit, but now knowing the DR-10L Pro has 32bit, i will choose this one.
I cant see why or how the Zoom is better than the Tascam at all, even the lav is better :)
Why would you say that the Tascam is not definitely better than the Zoom?
Smaller, and if one already owns it, I just don’t see a massive reason to move to the Tascam.
@@curtisjudd A shotgun question now:
Would you say it would be a good investment to upgrade my Rode Videomic (You know the one with the big battery in it) to a Rode Videomic NTG or is the difference not worth the 240 dollars?
Going to use it for vlogging and stuff on camera, so not so Pro.
and now we have Rode Wireless Pro - What do you think about this?
I'm having a hard time choosing one of them... I love replaceable batteries in Tascam. I don't like about Rod is that they're quite large and it's not at all cool to hang them on a shirt, but for some reason they're designed for just that.
My friend had to get rid of his Rode wireless go 2 due to the batteries deteriorating after a year of use. In the cold they simply turned off. And in Russia there are often frosts in winter))))
Here's my review of the RODE Wireless PRO. I don't like non-user replaceable batteries. ua-cam.com/video/XcFrlxg9Nqk/v-deo.html
You sounded like you’re not feeling well. Though this is a month away, hope you’re feeling better still.
I’m feeling fine! 👍
can you set the frame rate of the recorder? Or it syncs with any frame rate?
Yes, you need to set the framerate.
Please review the Comica vm30
I haven’t had good luck with Comica products so I’ll probably skip that one.
My teacher, I have a question as follows: In this video, the total volume is -23.xx LUFS, but at 4.38-5.14 the volume is lower, the voice is heard lower. and may not be -23LUFS as the book appears in the picture. I listened attentively with headphones, wanting the teacher to explain. thank you very much with respect 🙏
We may have made a mistake. I’ll double check.
Overpriced, so don't even need to watch the video. But ❤ u. You are the best at what you do.
Thank you so much for your hard work
I would rather use what I got, and wait for a dji 2 version in 2024.
And I went to the end of the video to give you a view to help your algorithm and a lime
I hope DJI Mic 2 will have internal 32bit float recording. 🙏
Thanks.
How do I download from Tascam DR-10L PRO? When I plug in the cable I can't open the file. Thank you.
I borrowed this so I don’t have it here to test, but my memory says that plugging in it to the computer via USB worked. But if it still isn’t working, best to contact Tascam support. Best wishes!
Im gonna flex some muscles here, but i do have a point at the end: Ive got 3 wireless, which are the XSW-D Portable ENG set, which are the first wireless go, (with no simultaneous duo channel recording), the DJI, one, which i never had any problems with it, so its my favorite, one Zoom with bluetooth. Got another mic which i forgot the name that is fed by XLR cables and i use it as a overhead, a Video Mix Go 2, even the mic that comes with the Zhyium Crane M3S on the full combo, (works fine, but i wouldn´t recommed for a pro shooting), has it´s place. They all serve me very well, and i have no intention on replacing them. Each one is unique and i have specific usage for every mic i have. I already had made my investment back from all of these mics combined, and unless they explode, get stolen, or abducted, ill continue to work with them.
I honestly believer that this product came a little too late for a lot of people, the improvements are very welcome, but if people already work with simular mics, it~s very unlikelly the´ll do an upgrade themselves. Good product in my opinion, but ill pass for this one. Thank you for the awesome video review.
“I’m not here to convince you to upgrade if you’re already getting good results with your current setup…”
For me it’s interesting, how to combine it with my Zoom F4. And the interference risk is much to high in my mind. IZotope RX is for me a con. As you know I did just drop iZotope RX advanced and use SpectraLayers from Steinberg now. Part of this decision is the consortium partnership with Native instruments in Soundwide. The soundwide consortium in long term is more negative for the customer than it helps. I realy was waiting for this review of you. But I guess for me still not a way to go.
Ok
@@curtisjudd no problem… I give iZotope the next chance when they close this partnership with the investors consortium. Because something I have nothing to concern their service was incredible good. But since they are in this consortium some management steps just to close products. For example Iris 2 is at least a sampler in a similar quality of Kontakt, but with focus to Sound designers. I use Native instruments Komplete 13 collectors Edition. With the 14 they did downgrade the quality and freedom for creativity so much in Quality… why should I upgrade a product and pay 500.- € and get a castrated product in poor quality that is nomore compatible to thousands of free products in immersive quality.
Great video, thank you Curtis. I started working with 3 original Tascam recorders when they came out, but am now working with a lot of Tentacle devices and am extremely happy with them. Tentacle do have very low cost Battery Replacement Kits for all of their products, so your information in the video is incorrect.
Thanks for the update. Looks like the battery replacement kit is $60 USD.
@@curtisjudd The shop on their site indicates €15.
@@vivoices Thanks. When I put that battery replacement kit into the shopping cart and go to checkout, it shows the total at 60 EUR. Shipping from EU to US puts it at a similar price as buying from B&H in the US.
@@curtisjudd Too bad. That is a common problem I have as well when ordering from the US. I visit family in Germany every once in a while. Problem solved . . . 😉
I put it on charge. And it doesn't seem to load. Need a specific setting?
Best to contact Tascam support.
I have a shoot that involves recording a lady doing this 'singing bowls' sound. Do you think this mic/recorder would work well for something like that? It's kind of a humming noise. A quick google on singing bowls will show what I mean. Thank you.
Yes, I've heard singing bowls. One mic for all the bowls? I'd probably prefer to boom a mic from above to get all the bowls a little more evenly.
Track E has an optional battery kit. One can order a battery kit.
Nice, glad to hear they worked that out. 👍
Do you feel it’s worth upgrading from the original dr10L?
For the battery life, yes.
@@curtisjudd wow that's actually a big reason for me - I hate the battery life, have to change it mid day. Another question if you don't mind, I'm not clear on the timecode, is it possible to use deity or tentacle system to sync it or it's specific to the atomos Bluetooth?
@@parttimepaul specific to ATOMOS.
Would really like to see a wireless system so I can record straight into camera, but with 32-bit float backup recording AND user replacable batteries. One can dream...
All that technology exists so it is very achievable.
I just bought this little gizmo. Not a big deal, but I somehow thought it recorded 2 files, one at the set level, and one at a safe lower db. Second....I find it a bit of a hassle when connecting to a computer to off load your files you need to go in to the menu to set it to USB mode, or mass storage device, what ever it is. Well last as the reviewer noted the screen is ridiculously small. Like trying to read a pill bottle at the drug store.
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Is it noisy enough? What do you think? Maybe it's just me?
It may be my voice you don’t like but the recorder itself wasn’t particularly noisy.
Ooops .. can it record in stereo ?
No, mono
I expected Bluetooth would connect to any smartphone to capture lav audio into the phone when filming video on the phone.
No, this doesn’t do that.
I don't see anything in the manual that says it saves a backup every 20 seconds. I might have missed it though. Can anyone verify this?
That was info from my contact at Tascam. If you'd like to re-confirm, perhaps Tascam support can confirm?
@@curtisjudd thanks. I just purchased a few of these. I'll test them when they arrive. It makes total sense to have automatic backup recordings for a recorder like this so hopefully it works out. Thanks as always!
@@rickjohnson5839 Happy recording!