I know it's a minor thing but the new records DO look horrendous. I was so happy to get the H4n PRO and the black version later just looks impressive. To my regular clients that don't know any better it looks "Professional". These look super plasticky.
32 bit float makes nature recording much easier because it allows me to amplify the soft sounds without clipping the loud sounds. It allows me to virtuslly never worry about audio ever. No checking levels, no worrying about blow out or clipping, ever.
The H1n has a very fine limiter on it, which I use all the time. This limiter is so good that it makes an upgrade to 32 bit float unnecessary unless you happen to be at a rock concert. The podtrack p4 also has a wonderful limiter, so I have no need to upgrade any time soon.
Working live events, 32bit has been a god send in my opinion. With my Rode mic pro it made managing solo projects much easier not having to worry if something is peaking when a person yells at random. Not everyone is big on audio (which I think is necessary) but if I have my brother or GF assisting me I’m not worried about them not knowing how to read waves and set sound as well. Great video by the way
I don't have a problem with 32-bit float. It's very helpful. I just think there is a lot of hype around it. I don't know how you use 32-bit float for live events. live streaming for live events requires properly set levels for your audience to hear good audio. 32-bit float doesn't help there. Maybe you meant recording live bands. as in event production, then yes. Very helpful. For me, I would prefer to set my levels, have a faster post-production workflow, and have easier scratch audio handoff to a producer/event manager than working in 32-bit float and having to post-process everything after the fact. It's not harder, it just takes longer and has bigger files and additional workflow needs. But I will set a recorder in 32-bit float when I can't monitor it or the person using it doesn't know anything about audio. That's the safest bet.
I wonder if the new capsule update is a bit les nefarious than people think. If I'm not mistaken, the capsules all have their own A/D converters, which would require new hardware to make them 32-bit. So the microphones themselves wouldn't need the update, but the converter would.
Agree witth you here too many people, that dont actually have an understanding of the electronics or design, just jump in and go 'hay that must be to make you buy the new one' with nothing to actually base that stanement on. What makes his statement worse is he read the zoom reason and just decides to ignore it because he doesn't personally believe it, based on... nothing.
Hey there. I just bought the new H6 Essentials recorder with extra modules because I need 6ch audio for some of my video work. I'm just now learning about 32bit Float, and anyone who says it is "unnecessary" certainly doesn't film what I have to film. Additionally, I am still looking for something that actually demonstrates real-world examples showing the contrast between the old models and the new models, specifically with the boom mic and all 6 channels in action with 6 wireless lavs. Lastly, I completely agree with the other comment here. The reason his other mics don't need to be upgraded is that they are plugging into the new XLR jacks on the recorder.. the mics are just "dumb" gear that doesn't care what's driving/receiving their input. The device collecting that input has changed. My guess is that the capsules had some electronic parts that needed to be upgraded to work with 32Bit Float. Now, I don't have $ $ invested in the old gear, but come on guy.. 10+ years on the same gear? An upgrade wouldn't be the end of the world. I can't wait to get mine in and post some videos showing what I can get out of the gear. FYI, the H6Essentials was $240 on Amazon today when I picked it up.. seems hard to beat. Cheers Rick
Why would you even expect the new recorders with 32 bit float to be compatible with the old capsules? There's no possibility that could have ever happened regardless of manufacturer.
@@strongereveryday2302 Here's the wild thing... I can plug any regular microphone I want with a regular XLR cable, phantom powered or not into my 32bit recorders. Also, something tells me if the preamps are in the recorder instead of the capsule module itself, it would be totally easy to make a recorder that simply accepted the edge connector instead of an XLR cable. Electrically feasible... yet mechanically proprietary.
@@mistercohaagenif the gain knob was on the device and not the module that would absolutely be the case. They made a mistake with the original H series by putting the gain control in the module and now that it’s not needed causing them to not be compatible.
I’d say the reason the old mics don’t work is due to the gain knobs on each mic. That would be the “architecture” change Zoom mentions. The new recorders don’t have gain knobs. Your Sennheiser mic doesn’t have a gain knob. It’s a logical reason the old mics don’t work.
I think you have a really great idea there. I would disagree that the gain knobs would impact 32-bit float, because that's the point of "Float". Float records regardless of a gain setting. That's another story. So I don't think that would be the reason the old mics don't work. Zoom corporation doesn't want the old mics to work because it's the revenue stream. Microphones are like lenses for cameras - they last forever. You get a good lens, it'll transition countless bodies. You get a good microphone, you can use it for the lifetime of your career and even hand it down to your posterity. Recorders on the other hand, often are updated with technology. So, zoom corporation choosing to switch to 32-bit float AND implement a no gain setting workflow means that they created a new mount for the microphones so the consumer would have to buy it. They've got over a decade on these previous microphone capsules and they're looking to make more money. That's what they're doing. They could have just as usually used the same amount, or created an adapter for the previous mic capsules. There's no reason that the microphone capsule can't work with 32-bit float recording. Take Tascam for example, you still set your game on the microphone even when recording in 32-bit float. Why you might ask? Good question. It's because the 32-bit float architecture is really a proxy file, although I'm not sure proxy is the correct word for it but I don't know what the right word for it would be right now, and that proxy file is a gain setting. That game setting is what is read by any device capable of reading the 32-bit file as a starting point. That's where the original waveform will show up and programs that can't read 32-bit float. That way the audio can still do something for the user. It's not until you actually get into a program that can access the full 32-bit float file properly where you will actually see your true recording setting. Things programs like audacity, Adobe audition, you know the ones. So, it's kind of like auto gain while you're monitoring until you get to fully access the signal back at the office. 32-bit float is great. It provides a no compromise recording solution if you have to get it and you can't miss it. But it also has a lot of workflow things that come along with it. Which is all the more puzzling to me as to why Zoom would have done this with their new microphone capsules. They would have had much better success offering a product that used the legacy microphone capsules with new and improved features from the updated microphone capsules. They would have also built a lot of brand loyalty. But they didn't. And that's a choice made by a company, not an audio engineer. I can't see any audio engineer agreeing to making people spend more money when Zoom already had good microphone capsules. It's just about the dollars.
Great video, Thanks!! I bought the H8 - overkill for me - and it does look horrible.. selling that and trying to decide what to replace it with.. I used the F2 for outside work and it's fantastic but in the studio...? Can't decide.
First time watching. What do you suggest that I should get to record a live performance of a rock band? Unfortunately I can’t get the audio from the venue’s sound board. I don’t really mind the look on the recorder if it’s good. Thank you so much, great video.
I fully agree that the units are hard on the eyes and that the old capsules not working is total BS. But personally, I LOVE the 32 bit float. I fully understand that many situations don't require it all, but I love the peace-of-mind it brings for the situations I regularly find myself in as a video guy. The 32 bit file sizes don't bother me, compared to the video files, they're tiny. Great video!! Thanks for sharing your take!!
Thanks for your comment. And that's exactly what my video is supposed to do, educate people so they know what they're getting. It sounds like you already knew what you were getting when you got it, so you got it knowing the workflow. And that's exactly how I think people should buy stuff. I hope more people find my video helpful in that sense. Aside from the looks, yes, I find 32-bit float very helpful as well. I just think Zoom was really overhyping what the product does. And, although you may use 32-bit float all the time with that recorder, I know I would like the option to switch down to 24 bit from time to time. Unfortunately, that option is not there. But for a hundred bucks, you really can't go wrong. Especially if you add a lavalier or an external mic to it. Golden..
@@RobertHamm I still use the original H6 regularly and would 100% recommend it to those who it will work for, you are right on, especially at the price its currently going for, its incredible value!
I am confused about the clipping despite setting the bit depth at 32 bit (float) on Adobe Audition. I have a zoom H6 2013 Model, and used it as an Audio Interface in Adobe Audition. I used the MSH-6 Mic to record audio of the Zoom H6 directly to Adobe Audition. The sample rate is at 44.1kHz on the monitor of the Zoom H6, couldn’t change it in USB Audio Interface mode. Bit rate was not indicated in the monitor, only the sample rate. And since the there is no bit rate, I thought I could record 32 bit when I set the audio files’ bit depth settings on audition at 32 bit (float). I thought 32 bit can record audio without clipping and that even if I played and set the input volume at Level 1 or Level 10, it would still sound the same when I post process it. Despite recording in 32 Bit Float on the Zoom H6 when it is used as an interface, does it really still clip or doesn’t capture all the sound details when I set the input volume on the MSH-6 attachment at max or at minimum? I am new to the equipment, to the recordings, and knowledge in audio recording. Please bear with me. Thanks!
32 bit float is good for anything when you don't want to monitor and set your audio levels up front. The cost is having to edit it more in post. My advice would be to set your levels properly and record it good from the start. Smaller file, less time editing, easier to deliver and share that way. If you're worried about clipping, like the drums or something getting too loud, that could be fixed by setting your levels right in the first place. 32-bit float is an excellent tool in the toolbox, but I would not use it for a rehearsal. There's no real need to. You can just set your levels because there's no time constriction there's no real production that's happening you can just do it right in the first place. And it's not hard. People get so caught up over 32-bit float. I would use 32-bit float when recording a live band even after making properly. This is because... It's live! I can't stop the band and go fix a level on the drums if one of the mic is clipping. But, if I have a 32-bit float recording of the live performance, then I can tweak it later.
@RobertHamm, Good review. I myself have a slitely different take as a blind sound designer. I started with the h5, and when you cant look at the screen and the recorder isn't accessible... finding the right level to avoid clipping is guesswork depending on the sounds your recording. So h6e having accessibility annd 32bit opened many doors. In my case, 32bit is very helpful, as while I can level my audio extremely well via feeling the position of the knob relative to where it stops at the lowest or highest input, going off on the knob's orientation and listening to the input to guess roughly what my levels are at, this is still hard to get right, I.e, the only way I can tell if something is clipping is when the sound already clipped given I cant look at the levels etc to determine when the sound is in the red. 32bit does give me more ample room to avoid clipping. I've never actually used the microphones that come with the recorders so cant say that change bothers me too much. Granted mine is a different perspective than most, but this new line of recorders has opened up doors do to them having accessibility for one. I for one am happy with the h essential line, though other's takes are different. Good review though. I cant comment on the recorder's look... heh, but that's not really of importance, the main thing is that it does it's job.
Im a zoom customer. I bougjt their L-20 mixer. I also bought thr original H4n back in the day. That business of destroying the previous mic capsule system is really disturbing. Even though i personally hadnt invested in that, their move has shaken my confidence in them as a conpany. Im glad you made this video. A heap of really good points being made. Great discussion.
I'm trying out the H4n pro. Would you recommend the h5 or H6? What's the difference, apart from more tracks? I basically only use a mixer to record my live set or jot down ideas.
They might built in other series of preamplifiers in the microphone module? - Can you check that up? - There should also be possible to make adapter connectors between the two microphone serieses. When do we see those?
That's a good point, and it's possible. It would be nice if they created an adapter so that we wouldn't have to buy new mic capsules. Because of this, I think I would just go with XLR models.
I'm such a newbie... I picked up the H1 Essential because I'm wanting to record bird sounds but it doesn't sound any different than my camera audio. When I use the recorder the audio is really quiet. I want to put it directly in Capcut and sync it with my video, but it's too quiet to use, and if I bump up the volume in Capcut, I start to hear white noise. How do I make it sound better? Do I need to edit it in an audio program first? What step am I missing? Or, is the H1 essential just not a good unit for what I'm doing? I really appreciate any help.
I don't think this is the right kind of video to be asking that kind of a question there are other people that have done review videos You may wish to ask or you can try contacting Sweetwater they're actually very helpful
The Hype around Zoom's New Essential line of recorders is confusing a lot of people. So, I understand your disappointment with the results you are describing. Every point I made in this video properly discussed why the essential line of recorders doesn't solve a problem for most people. Please watch it again to get a grasp of what I'm talking about with specific attention payed to the 32bit float and workflow parts. Notice also that my statement about the microphone capsules remains true. Zoom didn't reinvent the recorder. If they had, you would have had a better experience. As to the recording. In order to get the good sound, you need to be close to the source. For birds, getting close is difficult unless you put the recorder on a mount where the birds will be, and then go away. If the birds show up naturally, then you might get a better recording. This is how most people do it, but you can also use parabolic microphones. So, remember to get as close to the source as possible with every recording you have, and isolate any handling noise that you may present when holding the device by using a amount of some sort. As far as the workflow, 32-bit flow recording requires post-processing for the file to be useful. What you're hearing from the direct output when you bring it into your computer, the low sound you reporting, is just a proxy file. It's not the real recording. It's more difficult than that, but for simplicity sake we'll call it a proxy. The proxy will always be low, too low in fact, because zoom corporation does not let you set your levels. So, you have to do it later. 32-bit float is helpful for recovering sounds that are too quiet, or sounds that are too loud. However, you now see the problem I was talking about with workflow. There's no reason to need to post-produced your audio of bird calls. There's no sound that will be too loud there, probably not even too low, if you set your levels right in the first place. This is how people have done it for decades. The standard audio engineering workflow for sound guy on set or someone creating sound effects would be to set the levels properly record in the proper format, usually 24-bit 48k for spoken dialogue, and 24-bit 96k for sound effects. Doing that would give you a usable file immediately after recording. And, I would leave some room for post-production if you wanted to. 32 bit float recording requires additional post-production. So instead of having a good file ready to go just as you described, you now have to go and boost everything in post-production. It adds a lot of extra work to a process that would be very simple up front. There's nothing wrong with working in all 32-bit float, especially if you like large file sized and additional work and post-production. For most people, 32-bit float is not helpful. In some instances, very loud or very quiet instances or situations where the soundscape may change abruptly, 32-bit float can be very helpful. But in all of my years of working in sound before 32-bit float was ever out, I never once lost a recording due to bad sound. I always had a backup track recording on my professional recorders, including Zoom recorders. So, that's the position that I come from. My concern with this video, and why some people seem to fanboy out for Zoom, is that they're making it sound like 32 bit float recording and the new essential line of recorders are more than what they are. In fact they're not. They're just updated recorders with not even really updated specs. I don't like them, not just because they're ugly, but because I don't find them any more useful than the older ones. Combine that with the fact that they went with the cash grab for the microphones, and I just think they really phoned this one in. Good luck.
Hey, I'm making a video and replying directly to you. Thank you for the question. I believe it will help people. I call out "some people" whit short attention span, basically those that want a short answer. I'm trying to draw a line for viewers to realize that there is no one answer fits all answer. They need to actually understand the technology, and then they can make a choice that's the best answer for them at the time. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking in generality. Some people are too impatient to actually understand what it is they're doing. They're the ones that don't know what's going on. That's what I'm talking about. Again, thank you for your question and our dialogue.
Only one benefit of 32 bits is that it is harder to overdrive the sound and easier to catch very quiet sounds to recover them. And that is the only benefit and it is not a small benefit at all. During a recording session I do not have to worry about sound levels. As for the ugliness and plastics in the new Zoom recorders, I also have mixed feelings. That is why I bought the H4e to test it, to check its usefulness. I did not buy the H6e because of the temptation to buy more capsules. I have the H8N and I am delighted with its quality and compatibility with Zoom capsules. What would immediately convince me to buy the H6e is an adapter for the previous capsules. That would be something very wise on the part of the Zoom manufacturer.
I’m looking to get one of this H4 because I have the H1. I’m not into detailed technology but I sing at church and would like to have a newer model to record in.
Finally, someone speaking sense! I have a H1n which is used for sound design, ideas and even as a sound card. I thought long and hard about H4 essential but quality wise I wasn't happy. I was about to push the button on a Tascam X6 which would have been 330 euros. In the end, I settled for a used H5 for 110 euros and buying some external capsule mics - a set of Lewitt LCT040 for the same amount of money. The H5 has the gain controls right there - a big plus for me, I need that. While 32 bit flow maybe a game changer for some not for me. Btw the preamps are still same anyway but the capsule are not - mmh go figure! Thanks for the video.
A M H N , to every single word you have said in this video !!!! Especially about the scamming ZOOM is trying to pull with this new capsule/adapter and these new 32-bit FLOAT mics/capsules ...... Not to mention the LAME quality of the 32-bit preamps with the HUGE noise floor. I have truly suggested in the ZOOM's official faceook page (From Day No1 of the presentation of the essential series) that they should create an adapter for all of us "owners of the old/previous capsules" ....... Otherwise , this whole mentlity of ZOOM trying to sell the exact same mics again and again is way too unethical for my taste. I own ZOOM H8 and i have truly appreciated your suggestion about the ZOOM F1 , since i own about 4-5 of these extra MIC capsules. Not to mention the EXTRA 6meters Cord/Adapter/Capsule that i paid almost 100$. Thank you for your whole unbiased input as well as your video.
Your presentation was superb! I noticed that your delivery was smooth and apparently did not require the usual huge clump of edits to get a message across! A professional approach all the way!
Has anyone used these as a usb interface with an instrument. I'm looking at this for a synthesizer (and to record samples) but I'm not surenif it would be better to get separate devices (with a slightly higher overall cost budget-wise)
I agree about new look and about old microphones. Zoom has to change "something" to make money. 32-bit float is handy as a reason to make changes = make money, but - as you said - it's not for everybody. I use 32-bit float a lot for field recordings, especially in industrial environment, I use Tascam X8 and Zoom F3, now I have new H1E for some simple situations. But - to be honest - I love my old H1n. For look, for fantasy-wave-mic-protection, for simplicity. I bought H1E, because H1n's level knob doesn't working :( - so, why not a new H1n? Yeah... 32-bit float, no knob and... USB-C, which is important today (and will be more in the future). But still, I agree with you, Robert!
I got a M2 for the distortion free guarantee, but I find the work time/conversion time is a hassle. So I use my R24 at 16 bit/48khz. instead. I run a stereo track from my bands mixer, a stereo track from the built in mics at the lowest gain (they are very sensitive), and have the option of adding a stereo track from either a H2N or the M2. Having the signals going to the R24 keeps them in line/phase , and I don't have to do time correction when mixing 😉
Exactly. People think 32bit float is the best, but they don't realize how much work has to be done on the back end. Most people should just set the levels correctly in the first place and be done with it. Cheers.
I bought the H4nPro Black edition as well. I have not been disappointed so far! The only two gripes I have is in regards to battery life (which is kinda short) and the time it takes to boot the device if you use a 32Gb sd! Other than that it's a great piece of kit and I use on the go all the time! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the new product line. I also think it's a horrendeous business practice to go by. I see that happening lots of places nowadays sadly:(
As a DJ over 12 years, I always give my booth output to the videographers so they can capture the sound from a seperate set volume from what I'm playing out of my PA system. And of course more bass baby!!! Gotta feel the thump to get dancing. But of course it helps having nice Presonus constant curvature line array tops that have 8 separate 2" drivers and a 12" midrange woofer so I can actually turn the volume down quite a bit and the sound still carries really far. And can turn the subs up on my 18s more than the tops
This is such a great review! Thank you! Could you possibly recommend a portable recorder you like better than the H!essential for around the same price? I would prefer 32-bit but doesn't have to be. Sounds like Tascam's designs are preferred by many.
Well, the H1 e XLR is a new offering from zoom, and I think it's a great update. The XLR capability allows you to use your own mics, thus giving you full control over the sound you collect. As much as I don't like the H1E, it's not a bad recorder. 32-bit is important and has its place. So, if you just need a handheld recorder that does 32-bit float recording, you really cannot be the price of the H1E. If you want to step up a little bit, the zoom f3 would be a good choice. My current favorite is the Tascam portacapture X8. It's around $400 on sale, so quite a bit more than the H1E, but it is so much more than just a field recorder. I have done a long-term review on the X8, and my initial thoughts about the mic capsules being cheaply made out of plastic and likely to break has been proven WRONG. I love the onboard mic capsules. They sound awesome. They are made of plastic, however, they are well made and have not broken even when I have dropped the device from waste or desk high directly on the mic caps. I'm thoroughly impressed with the X8. If you can swing it, I think the X8 is the best choice. It's a bigger recorder than the H1E, and if that's okay, then save up and get it. If not, and price is a big part of your purchasing decision, go ahead and get the H1E or H1EXLR. They're good recorders.
@@RobertHamm Omg, thanks for taking the time for this response. It's everything I need to know and extremely helpful. Can't thank you enough! I just may go for the Tascam,
Agree that legacy Zoom mics should have been compatible with the new Zoom mics and some of the new Zooms are getting uglier than necessary. I love my three Hs, H6 and F3 and just ordered the new 32bit H1 but wish I could use the old Zoom mics in 32bit float too. When Canon changed their lens mount and made them incompatible with their new cameras I switched to Sony. (BTW I needed to darken the monitor playback level to be very dark because your transitions are blindingly bright and aggressive compared to the rest of your movie)
Thanks. I was about to buy the h1n then noticed it said old version and I didn’t realise a new version came out. Old one purchased since it’s a steal of a price.
From the reviews I have been watching it seems that for someone that isnt an audiophile the essential line is great for someone starting out. I have the zoom h1n and was going to get the new h1e but ill probably get the h4 for the extra inputs and not having to worry about gain.
The only recorder in the Essential lineup that has caught my attention is the H1 XLR. I am considering replacing my F3 for it. But who knows. My F8n Pro is 32bit float, yet it does still take the old Zoom attachments. :)
Buyers beware the zoom h6 essential is not compatible as an audio interface on windows 11 arm 64 computers. The driver available is only for x64 processors. I am stuck with my device .
The new capsule for the zoom H6 essential means that the company want to kill all the old accessory to push customers for a New market of 32 bit float . A still use my F1 with many capsules and it's a great recoder for 24 bits - 96 khz. I also notice that the new zoom essentials séries looks like a plastic toys with an outdated screen !! Compared to the tascam x6/x8 screen !!
Hi, I am not an audio person and wanted a budget recorder + mic for filmmaking purposes (SFX + voiceover/dialogue). Initially I was looking at the H1n and then got pulled into the Essential series 32 bit float hype. I finally found the F1-SP (shotgun mic version) interesting and was also looking at getting an additional XY mic capsule. I would like to hear both of your recommendations for my options- - F1 + SGH-6 (mono shotgun mic) + X/Y capsule - so I could interchangeably use the mic capsules according to my needs. - H4n Pro (do it all recorder + mic) is the audio quality and noise levels better than the H1n, only then would it make sense as I do not intend to use external mics through the XLR inputs. - H1n (do it all recorder + mic) Many Thanks!
I will say again.Its a shame you cant pop the mics into a capsule to use them with other mixers and recorders. Would be cool to try them with my 1073 for example.
I have the H4n pro and H6. I agree that the new Zooms are ugly and just trashing the old mic capsules is a huge money grab. I'm glad I added the EXH-6 capsule before this all started. I use my H6 as an audio interface and appreciate the extra inputs for my synths and acoustic instruments. I won't be buying any "essentials" and with the capsule system gone will likely go with Tascam if my current recorders die. Thanks for sharing your professional experience.
I think everyone needs to use 32-bit themselves to realise that it's over-rated and not needed 95% of the time. Also the huge file size is annoying. Unfortunately Zoom has used the 32-bit gimmick to release a new line-up with the same noisy af pre-amps from 2014 (EIN -120 dBu).
Thanks for your comment. That's my whole point. People won't understand until they start working with it. If they have never worked with audio before, then this first introduction will set them up for bigger file sizes and longer workflows. 32bit float has it's good uses, but it's not the default standard. Cheers.
There's an opening for a third party manufacturer to make an adapter. Really no electronics involved, just wiring the contacts between one fitting and the other.
I was hoping the Zoom would come with a easy choice over the Tascam X8, but worse preamps and questionable design choices weren't on my bingo card. Maybe Deity decides to enter the game. I have a feeling they could make a run for their money.
Yeah, I agree. Zoom has taken a different approach, and it works well for what they're trying to do. I like their f series recorders, especially their f3. I like their new H1 XLR. I'm going to do a video on that. I think that's the way to go with this small form factor as compared to the H1E. But, it would have been nice to have just a little more polish on these devices. I'm looking forward to a pro series from zoom, maybe a continuation of their f series. That would be cool.
@@RobertHamm is there any indication or rumor about a pro series? I’ve seen a couple of people hoping for it, but for now it seems like wishful thinking. I thought the F series were the pro line. I have a F6, but I love the convenience of having a on board mic for quicker jobs.
Thanks for your input... I too think the upsell policies of making older equipment redudant is a curse that will return to haunt those manufactures... I think of Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and many others who put limits on their gear after you have made your investment... shameful showing of greed.
I bought an H4n Pro recently and I like it. The H6 looks like a great upgrade if I need even more versatility, but the new 32-bit Essentials serie look cheap, nasty, & pretty unattractive to me.
Its all in how you use it. The value of 32bit is to avoid overload clip distortion. You record something live. sounds real nice but it clipped in one spot now its trash. You dont get a 2nd chance. I record organ in big churches.
I 1000% agree when you say it's ugly, thank God I'm not the only one. Zoom needs to fire whoever designed their product since the G11 G6 lineup released. Everything after G11 is just designed as absolute monstrosity. The G11, G6, B6, G2Four series, the new Multistomp+ series, and now the new H series all have those diagonal lines whatever design, and fake carbon texture which makes it looks cheap 😂 and don't get me started on those ugly LCD you get on the new Multistomp+. I absolutely love the software and specs behind all of Zoom's product, but lately the design is such a bummer to be even considered professional gear.
@@SlyDanger805 Used isopropyl alcohol on paper towels on my H1. Took a lot of time tho perhaps I should have used more alcohol. Just be careful of any text markings not to remove them.
Totally agree, new ones look ugly not professional. I'm considering purchasing all mic mods + F1. 32 bit it's a marketing strategy for people who don't know about leveling, in fact Sonic Scoop, grammy winning engineer talks about why 24 bit is too much even for nowadays purposes, at the end of the day most people works in a true 12 bit dynamic range!!
Yeah, and thanks for your comment. That bitrate discussion was mostly to point out that people have two options: get the earlier 24bit recorders and capsules at a great discount right now, or pay more and get 32bit. 32-bit recording has real benefits, but in a consumer world, it's mostly a buzzword. Did you know that the H1 essential won't even let you record and anything other than 32-bit? That's crazy. Let's say you needed to deliver a file quickly for some reason. Let's say you were on a job and you had to give the producer your recordings so they could listen to them. You wouldn't give him 32-bit recordings! The likelihood is they wouldn't be able to preview them. 32-bit recordings won't play and your phone's music app, you need some form of editing tool to play back 32-bit recordings. So the fact that the H1 essential won't even give you a 24-bit option is ridiculous. It's unfortunate that people just don't pay attention to what's actually being said, or promoted. They have so much loyalty to a brand that does not care about them that they just completely ignore basic facts. But I could say that about all walks of life. Cheers.
Oh, little baby need to scream at someone? Too stupid. Dumb baby shit talk my video and then cry about it. You're retard. I mean you're literally an idiot. I love that I have to explain this to you. You make a shit comment to my video, and then I call you out for it, and you're so stupid You say I started it. You're a moron. Have you been smacked yet? I wonder if you would been smacked yet. People like you usually haven't been smacked properly.
I agree that 32 bit float is not needed by most people but it sounds like a lot of the whining about 32 bit float is by people who don't know how to work with 32 bit float.
Thanks for your comment. I made that statement based on the fact that the older versions are heavily discounted right now. For example, click one of the Amazon links. As of the video, all units were on some sort of sale. I mentioned the H6, but the H1n was on sale for $69! That's cheap. That's a tacticany brands use to get rid of stock before discontinuing a product.
I wanted to like the essentials because I had voice guidance and I’m blind. I love my Zoom H5 but I can’t use any of the menus independently without asking my friend once in a while to fix important settings. It’s a pain in the ass. So I’m really disappointed that these new recorders have hardly any features for so much money when I could just throw down and get like The H2 and with a stereo 360 in Zoom, but I think I’ll save my money and just get an expanded stereo capsule to put on the H5. My friend me who is also blind has been looking for an accessible recorder beyond the junk Olympus that talks, but it’s too small and way overpriced and it’s literally just for like your pocket So honestly, maybe these were made for blind people who can’t see the ugliness lol but I don’t want an ugly product Idon’t know about 32 control Don’t know about 32 bits because I’m really good at gain control at this point. I guess I don’t need these but why couldn’t they put voice access in every zoom recorder in the menus? It’s not that hard.
Robert, might they be going more high end on the mic caps ? Use your old mic on the xlr's. 24 bit sound isn't dead, so use what you have and enjoy it ! Mic modeling is changing the industry right now. Old equipment people are not doing well. Their hardware is being replaced. Buy one mic and have 8 models and sounds to pick from. Look for the best sound and be happy when you get it !
Hello. And thank you for your comment. Yes, I agree. They might actually be updating the microphone capsules that they produce. I have no problem with that. My point was that the reason the old microphone capsules are not compatible with the new recorders is a bunch of garbage. The idea that 32-bit float recording requires a better microphone is silly. It makes no sense. Microphones are pieces of equipment that stand the test of time. They don't need to be updated because you're because a recording technology improves. No one updated the sure SM-57 when we stop recording on quarter inch tracks, reel to reel, cassette tapes, or to CD and other digital technologies. That makes no sense. That was my point.
Seriously? Do you know anything about microphones? Have you ever used one? Why do you think that microphone technology has not really changed over the past 100 years? You don't even know the difference between signal acquisition and signal conversion. The problem is not with the microphones for Zoom or anyone else. The problem is not with the recording format. That means Zoom has no reason to say that it's an issue with 32-bit float and there microphone capsules because if that was the case, then that would be true for any microphone plugged into 32-bit recorders, especially there's. And that's not the case. That's not true. You can plug whatever microphone you want into the Zoom recorder using 32-bit or 16-bit or 24-bit and it will work the way it's supposed to. It's a cash grab. Your analogy shows you know very little about microphones. This is the fact. Let me make it very easy for you to understand: do you need to get new tires on your car because you put a new engine in it? No. That's stupid. That's exactly what Zoom has done. Zoom has made a new sound processing engine, which isn't actually new, and Tascam was able to do it without requiring new microphones, sound devices was able to do it without requiring new microphones, but now you Believe the hype that since Zoom came up with a their version of 32-bit recording, you have to buy more expensive microphone capsules. Slow clap for you buddy. You're a winner.
XLRs are different? Are you stupid or something? No they aren't. They simply have a different connector. It's three wires for all mics, ground, hot, and shield. If you have a stereo mic, add another hot. If you don't want a balanced connection, get rid of the shield. There's nothing different about the microphones other than the connection they use to connect to the recording device. That connection could be anything you want it to be, spaghettiOs and beef noodles too! It does not matter. XLR, quarter inch, 1/8 inch, RCA.. you could basically use any of those.
Robert, what about an adapter ? From mic's you have to stereo XLR's into the Zoom ? Them 32 bit might just work. They already have an extender for the mic adapter ! All The Best !@@RobertHamm
Excellent review! What an absolute burn about the mic capsules. I bought them all about five years ago. Really glad you mentioned that. I have dropped the H1, and broke the plastic surrounding them. The design aesthetic of the Essential series is indeed FUG. As a musician that likes to sample random sounds, 32 bit float means I can hit the record button (in a panic) without worrying about levels. Too many times I’ve missed something important because I was fumbling about. Or, Something extremely loud is about to happen, and I can’t predict where to set the levels. So for me, 32 bit float would be on all the time. I laughed about your comment over the DJ’s! It’s so true: they are generally r3tarded, and as a front of house engineer, I have the experiences to prove it. Anyways, great stuff!
Zoom is slowly starting to become ADOBE, I love their products but those scammy moves, like the old mics thing, not been able to use the old ones, forcing you to buy the new ones, are just too greedy.
Ugly? LOL! That not even relevant. Looks are for audio production newbies. Also, 32 bit float recording is the main reason for owning this device. File sizes are not important to me as hard drive space is cheap. If you can afford the device you can afford the storage. I have the H6 Essential and it is the best digital recorder I have ever owned. My old Zoom H4, my digital Tascam, and my Marantz are now all obsolete. Another reason that makes this device so great is its ADA features. I have very bad eyes and I absolutely love the accessibility functions. It makes the H6 Essential really easy to use for the visually disabled. Basically, six channel 32 bit float recording in a handheld device is the bomb!! Full stop. If you don’t like the looks…get over it.
"Looks are for noobs.. if you don't like the looks get over it".. Those are your words. Those words come from someone that is never worked in the professional production industry. You don't work with forward-facing clients. Show up to a wedding with a teeny tiny pocket camera as the wedding photographer. Yeah right, gear doesn't matter. For client-facing positions, and positions you hope to get from people attending those events, you better have the right gear and the right look, and the right work. All are equally important in booking work.
Really? So, you think you can use the old mic capsules on the new recorders? You have to have 32bit float? Interesting. I don't think you watched the video. You're a bit of a dumbass.
Great vid I agree just get good with setting levels and 24 bit 48khz is all you need.. (you can even use light compression and limiting in the h6 *or in post* to help ensure balanced and non-peaked audio) If you’re doing something important use the backup feature but even for my final studio recording projects at Berklee College of Music we never set up projects with 32 bit float or even 96khz because our teachers showed us tests right in front of us years prior, a good ear can notice a diff between 44.1 and 48k but 96k was hardly if at all noticeable to me and 32 bit float is nice for headroom but with the right mic for the job, set at a reasonable distance from the source, with properly set levels you can get pro results without making your file sizes larger than they have to be or getting a new device for no reason.
I know it's a minor thing but the new records DO look horrendous. I was so happy to get the H4n PRO and the black version later just looks impressive. To my regular clients that don't know any better it looks "Professional". These look super plasticky.
I couldn’t take an a professional shoot. While the client may “not know”, it simply looks like a toy.
32 bit float makes nature recording much easier because it allows me to amplify the soft sounds without clipping the loud sounds. It allows me to virtuslly never worry about audio ever. No checking levels, no worrying about blow out or clipping, ever.
The H1n has a very fine limiter on it, which I use all the time. This limiter is so good that it makes an upgrade to 32 bit float unnecessary unless you happen to be at a rock concert. The podtrack p4 also has a wonderful limiter, so I have no need to upgrade any time soon.
Working live events, 32bit has been a god send in my opinion. With my Rode mic pro it made managing solo projects much easier not having to worry if something is peaking when a person yells at random. Not everyone is big on audio (which I think is necessary) but if I have my brother or GF assisting me I’m not worried about them not knowing how to read waves and set sound as well. Great video by the way
I don't have a problem with 32-bit float. It's very helpful. I just think there is a lot of hype around it. I don't know how you use 32-bit float for live events. live streaming for live events requires properly set levels for your audience to hear good audio. 32-bit float doesn't help there. Maybe you meant recording live bands. as in event production, then yes. Very helpful. For me, I would prefer to set my levels, have a faster post-production workflow, and have easier scratch audio handoff to a producer/event manager than working in 32-bit float and having to post-process everything after the fact. It's not harder, it just takes longer and has bigger files and additional workflow needs. But I will set a recorder in 32-bit float when I can't monitor it or the person using it doesn't know anything about audio. That's the safest bet.
I wonder if the new capsule update is a bit les nefarious than people think. If I'm not mistaken, the capsules all have their own A/D converters, which would require new hardware to make them 32-bit. So the microphones themselves wouldn't need the update, but the converter would.
Agree witth you here too many people, that dont actually have an understanding of the electronics or design, just jump in and go 'hay that must be to make you buy the new one' with nothing to actually base that stanement on. What makes his statement worse is he read the zoom reason and just decides to ignore it because he doesn't personally believe it, based on... nothing.
Hey there. I just bought the new H6 Essentials recorder with extra modules because I need 6ch audio for some of my video work. I'm just now learning about 32bit Float, and anyone who says it is "unnecessary" certainly doesn't film what I have to film. Additionally, I am still looking for something that actually demonstrates real-world examples showing the contrast between the old models and the new models, specifically with the boom mic and all 6 channels in action with 6 wireless lavs. Lastly, I completely agree with the other comment here. The reason his other mics don't need to be upgraded is that they are plugging into the new XLR jacks on the recorder.. the mics are just "dumb" gear that doesn't care what's driving/receiving their input. The device collecting that input has changed. My guess is that the capsules had some electronic parts that needed to be upgraded to work with 32Bit Float. Now, I don't have $ $ invested in the old gear, but come on guy.. 10+ years on the same gear? An upgrade wouldn't be the end of the world. I can't wait to get mine in and post some videos showing what I can get out of the gear. FYI, the H6Essentials was $240 on Amazon today when I picked it up.. seems hard to beat.
Cheers
Rick
Not supporting the old mic capsules pretty much has me out of the Zoom ecosystem. Tascam, Tentacle and Sound Devices now... couldn't be happier.
Why would you even expect the new recorders with 32 bit float to be compatible with the old capsules? There's no possibility that could have ever happened regardless of manufacturer.
@@strongereveryday2302 Here's the wild thing... I can plug any regular microphone I want with a regular XLR cable, phantom powered or not into my 32bit recorders. Also, something tells me if the preamps are in the recorder instead of the capsule module itself, it would be totally easy to make a recorder that simply accepted the edge connector instead of an XLR cable. Electrically feasible... yet mechanically proprietary.
@@mistercohaagenif the gain knob was on the device and not the module that would absolutely be the case. They made a mistake with the original H series by putting the gain control in the module and now that it’s not needed causing them to not be compatible.
I have the HN6 and three mic's it came with. Records sound with clarity and presence. Very happy with it.
I’d say the reason the old mics don’t work is due to the gain knobs on each mic. That would be the “architecture” change Zoom mentions. The new recorders don’t have gain knobs. Your Sennheiser mic doesn’t have a gain knob. It’s a logical reason the old mics don’t work.
I think you have a really great idea there. I would disagree that the gain knobs would impact 32-bit float, because that's the point of "Float". Float records regardless of a gain setting. That's another story. So I don't think that would be the reason the old mics don't work. Zoom corporation doesn't want the old mics to work because it's the revenue stream. Microphones are like lenses for cameras - they last forever. You get a good lens, it'll transition countless bodies. You get a good microphone, you can use it for the lifetime of your career and even hand it down to your posterity. Recorders on the other hand, often are updated with technology. So, zoom corporation choosing to switch to 32-bit float AND implement a no gain setting workflow means that they created a new mount for the microphones so the consumer would have to buy it. They've got over a decade on these previous microphone capsules and they're looking to make more money. That's what they're doing. They could have just as usually used the same amount, or created an adapter for the previous mic capsules. There's no reason that the microphone capsule can't work with 32-bit float recording.
Take Tascam for example, you still set your game on the microphone even when recording in 32-bit float. Why you might ask? Good question. It's because the 32-bit float architecture is really a proxy file, although I'm not sure proxy is the correct word for it but I don't know what the right word for it would be right now, and that proxy file is a gain setting. That game setting is what is read by any device capable of reading the 32-bit file as a starting point. That's where the original waveform will show up and programs that can't read 32-bit float. That way the audio can still do something for the user. It's not until you actually get into a program that can access the full 32-bit float file properly where you will actually see your true recording setting. Things programs like audacity, Adobe audition, you know the ones.
So, it's kind of like auto gain while you're monitoring until you get to fully access the signal back at the office. 32-bit float is great. It provides a no compromise recording solution if you have to get it and you can't miss it. But it also has a lot of workflow things that come along with it.
Which is all the more puzzling to me as to why Zoom would have done this with their new microphone capsules. They would have had much better success offering a product that used the legacy microphone capsules with new and improved features from the updated microphone capsules. They would have also built a lot of brand loyalty. But they didn't. And that's a choice made by a company, not an audio engineer. I can't see any audio engineer agreeing to making people spend more money when Zoom already had good microphone capsules. It's just about the dollars.
Great video, Thanks!! I bought the H8 - overkill for me - and it does look horrible.. selling that and trying to decide what to replace it with.. I used the F2 for outside work and it's fantastic but in the studio...? Can't decide.
First time watching. What do you suggest that I should get to record a live performance of a rock band? Unfortunately I can’t get the audio from the venue’s sound board. I don’t really mind the look on the recorder if it’s good. Thank you so much, great video.
An affordable recorder than Tascam X8 ? To record ambient sound.
I fully agree that the units are hard on the eyes and that the old capsules not working is total BS. But personally, I LOVE the 32 bit float. I fully understand that many situations don't require it all, but I love the peace-of-mind it brings for the situations I regularly find myself in as a video guy. The 32 bit file sizes don't bother me, compared to the video files, they're tiny. Great video!! Thanks for sharing your take!!
Thanks for your comment. And that's exactly what my video is supposed to do, educate people so they know what they're getting. It sounds like you already knew what you were getting when you got it, so you got it knowing the workflow. And that's exactly how I think people should buy stuff. I hope more people find my video helpful in that sense. Aside from the looks, yes, I find 32-bit float very helpful as well. I just think Zoom was really overhyping what the product does. And, although you may use 32-bit float all the time with that recorder, I know I would like the option to switch down to 24 bit from time to time. Unfortunately, that option is not there. But for a hundred bucks, you really can't go wrong. Especially if you add a lavalier or an external mic to it. Golden..
@@RobertHamm I still use the original H6 regularly and would 100% recommend it to those who it will work for, you are right on, especially at the price its currently going for, its incredible value!
I am confused about the clipping despite setting the bit depth at 32 bit (float) on Adobe Audition.
I have a zoom H6 2013 Model, and used it as an Audio Interface in Adobe Audition. I used the MSH-6 Mic to record audio of the Zoom H6 directly to Adobe Audition. The sample rate is at 44.1kHz on the monitor of the Zoom H6, couldn’t change it in USB Audio Interface mode. Bit rate was not indicated in the monitor, only the sample rate. And since the there is no bit rate, I thought I could record 32 bit when I set the audio files’ bit depth settings on audition at 32 bit (float).
I thought 32 bit can record audio without clipping and that even if I played and set the input volume at Level 1 or Level 10, it would still sound the same when I post process it.
Despite recording in 32 Bit Float on the Zoom H6 when it is used as an interface, does it really still clip or doesn’t capture all the sound details when I set the input volume on the MSH-6 attachment at max or at minimum?
I am new to the equipment, to the recordings, and knowledge in audio recording. Please bear with me. Thanks!
Is 32bits a good choice for a band's rehearsal?
32 bit float is good for anything when you don't want to monitor and set your audio levels up front. The cost is having to edit it more in post. My advice would be to set your levels properly and record it good from the start. Smaller file, less time editing, easier to deliver and share that way.
If you're worried about clipping, like the drums or something getting too loud, that could be fixed by setting your levels right in the first place. 32-bit float is an excellent tool in the toolbox, but I would not use it for a rehearsal. There's no real need to. You can just set your levels because there's no time constriction there's no real production that's happening you can just do it right in the first place. And it's not hard. People get so caught up over 32-bit float.
I would use 32-bit float when recording a live band even after making properly. This is because... It's live! I can't stop the band and go fix a level on the drums if one of the mic is clipping. But, if I have a 32-bit float recording of the live performance, then I can tweak it later.
@@RobertHamm Thanks!
@RobertHamm, Good review. I myself have a slitely different take as a blind sound designer. I started with the h5, and when you cant look at the screen and the recorder isn't accessible... finding the right level to avoid clipping is guesswork depending on the sounds your recording. So h6e having accessibility annd 32bit opened many doors. In my case, 32bit is very helpful, as while I can level my audio extremely well via feeling the position of the knob relative to where it stops at the lowest or highest input, going off on the knob's orientation and listening to the input to guess roughly what my levels are at, this is still hard to get right, I.e, the only way I can tell if something is clipping is when the sound already clipped given I cant look at the levels etc to determine when the sound is in the red. 32bit does give me more ample room to avoid clipping. I've never actually used the microphones that come with the recorders so cant say that change bothers me too much. Granted mine is a different perspective than most, but this new line of recorders has opened up doors do to them having accessibility for one. I for one am happy with the h essential line, though other's takes are different. Good review though. I cant comment on the recorder's look... heh, but that's not really of importance, the main thing is that it does it's job.
which zoom in 2024 between h4 essential and h5?
H5
Im a zoom customer. I bougjt their L-20 mixer. I also bought thr original H4n back in the day. That business of destroying the previous mic capsule system is really disturbing. Even though i personally hadnt invested in that, their move has shaken my confidence in them as a conpany.
Im glad you made this video. A heap of really good points being made. Great discussion.
But how come you didnt mentiont that the tascam porticapture 8X has lollipop plastic mics that break immediately?
Weird. Mine have not broken yet and I jave had them more than 2 years now. But sure, I am gentle with my things.
I'm trying out the H4n pro. Would you recommend the h5 or H6? What's the difference, apart from more tracks? I basically only use a mixer to record my live set or jot down ideas.
Don't buy an H5. After a couple of years of use with it the finish will degrade and become sticky. The only fix is to strip it all off with Isopropyl.
Go for H4 essential! H4 is outdated!
They might built in other series of preamplifiers in the microphone module? - Can you check that up? - There should also be possible to make adapter connectors between the two microphone serieses. When do we see those?
That's a good point, and it's possible. It would be nice if they created an adapter so that we wouldn't have to buy new mic capsules. Because of this, I think I would just go with XLR models.
@@RobertHamm I think rather a third party would make an adapter, rather than Zoom themselves? But we could hope at least any of them does!
I intend to record a grand piano. Any tips are welcome ;-)
If you're able, use X/Y mic set up pointed at the piano strings. Give yourself plenty of head room with volume.
I'm such a newbie... I picked up the H1 Essential because I'm wanting to record bird sounds but it doesn't sound any different than my camera audio. When I use the recorder the audio is really quiet. I want to put it directly in Capcut and sync it with my video, but it's too quiet to use, and if I bump up the volume in Capcut, I start to hear white noise. How do I make it sound better? Do I need to edit it in an audio program first? What step am I missing? Or, is the H1 essential just not a good unit for what I'm doing? I really appreciate any help.
I don't think this is the right kind of video to be asking that kind of a question there are other people that have done review videos You may wish to ask or you can try contacting Sweetwater they're actually very helpful
The Hype around Zoom's New Essential line of recorders is confusing a lot of people. So, I understand your disappointment with the results you are describing.
Every point I made in this video properly discussed why the essential line of recorders doesn't solve a problem for most people. Please watch it again to get a grasp of what I'm talking about with specific attention payed to the 32bit float and workflow parts. Notice also that my statement about the microphone capsules remains true. Zoom didn't reinvent the recorder. If they had, you would have had a better experience.
As to the recording. In order to get the good sound, you need to be close to the source. For birds, getting close is difficult unless you put the recorder on a mount where the birds will be, and then go away. If the birds show up naturally, then you might get a better recording. This is how most people do it, but you can also use parabolic microphones. So, remember to get as close to the source as possible with every recording you have, and isolate any handling noise that you may present when holding the device by using a amount of some sort.
As far as the workflow, 32-bit flow recording requires post-processing for the file to be useful. What you're hearing from the direct output when you bring it into your computer, the low sound you reporting, is just a proxy file. It's not the real recording. It's more difficult than that, but for simplicity sake we'll call it a proxy. The proxy will always be low, too low in fact, because zoom corporation does not let you set your levels. So, you have to do it later. 32-bit float is helpful for recovering sounds that are too quiet, or sounds that are too loud. However, you now see the problem I was talking about with workflow. There's no reason to need to post-produced your audio of bird calls. There's no sound that will be too loud there, probably not even too low, if you set your levels right in the first place. This is how people have done it for decades. The standard audio engineering workflow for sound guy on set or someone creating sound effects would be to set the levels properly record in the proper format, usually 24-bit 48k for spoken dialogue, and 24-bit 96k for sound effects. Doing that would give you a usable file immediately after recording. And, I would leave some room for post-production if you wanted to.
32 bit float recording requires additional post-production. So instead of having a good file ready to go just as you described, you now have to go and boost everything in post-production. It adds a lot of extra work to a process that would be very simple up front.
There's nothing wrong with working in all 32-bit float, especially if you like large file sized and additional work and post-production. For most people, 32-bit float is not helpful. In some instances, very loud or very quiet instances or situations where the soundscape may change abruptly, 32-bit float can be very helpful. But in all of my years of working in sound before 32-bit float was ever out, I never once lost a recording due to bad sound. I always had a backup track recording on my professional recorders, including Zoom recorders. So, that's the position that I come from.
My concern with this video, and why some people seem to fanboy out for Zoom, is that they're making it sound like 32 bit float recording and the new essential line of recorders are more than what they are. In fact they're not. They're just updated recorders with not even really updated specs. I don't like them, not just because they're ugly, but because I don't find them any more useful than the older ones. Combine that with the fact that they went with the cash grab for the microphones, and I just think they really phoned this one in. Good luck.
@@RobertHamm thank you so much for your input and thorough response. I've decided to return the H1 Essential.
Hey, I'm making a video and replying directly to you. Thank you for the question. I believe it will help people. I call out "some people" whit short attention span, basically those that want a short answer. I'm trying to draw a line for viewers to realize that there is no one answer fits all answer. They need to actually understand the technology, and then they can make a choice that's the best answer for them at the time. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking in generality. Some people are too impatient to actually understand what it is they're doing. They're the ones that don't know what's going on. That's what I'm talking about. Again, thank you for your question and our dialogue.
@@RobertHammunderrated and very usefull comment. Thank u. I think i will put my eyes into the Tascam direction.
Thanks for calling BS on the microphone capsules. There is no reason other than greed to go this route.
I think the new capsules may have been designed to deal with the extended SPL range of 32-bit recording.
Capsules are analog, signal is converted by AD to digital in recorder.
Only one benefit of 32 bits is that it is harder to overdrive the sound and easier to catch very quiet sounds to recover them. And that is the only benefit and it is not a small benefit at all. During a recording session I do not have to worry about sound levels. As for the ugliness and plastics in the new Zoom recorders, I also have mixed feelings. That is why I bought the H4e to test it, to check its usefulness. I did not buy the H6e because of the temptation to buy more capsules. I have the H8N and I am delighted with its quality and compatibility with Zoom capsules. What would immediately convince me to buy the H6e is an adapter for the previous capsules. That would be something very wise on the part of the Zoom manufacturer.
I just ordered an hd essential because i liked how it looked and what it does
I’m looking to get one of this H4 because I have the H1.
I’m not into detailed technology but I sing at church and would like to have a newer model to record in.
Finally, someone speaking sense! I have a H1n which is used for sound design, ideas and even as a sound card. I thought long and hard about H4 essential but quality wise I wasn't happy. I was about to push the button on a Tascam X6 which would have been 330 euros. In the end, I settled for a used H5 for 110 euros and buying some external capsule mics - a set of Lewitt LCT040 for the same amount of money. The H5 has the gain controls right there - a big plus for me, I need that. While 32 bit flow maybe a game changer for some not for me. Btw the preamps are still same anyway but the capsule are not - mmh go figure! Thanks for the video.
A M H N , to every single word you have said in this video !!!!
Especially about the scamming ZOOM is trying to pull with this new capsule/adapter and these new 32-bit FLOAT mics/capsules ......
Not to mention the LAME quality of the 32-bit preamps with the HUGE noise floor.
I have truly suggested in the ZOOM's official faceook page (From Day No1 of the presentation of the essential series) that they should
create an adapter for all of us "owners of the old/previous capsules" .......
Otherwise , this whole mentlity of ZOOM trying to sell the exact same mics again and again is way too unethical for my taste.
I own ZOOM H8 and i have truly appreciated your suggestion about the ZOOM F1 , since i own about 4-5 of these extra MIC capsules.
Not to mention the EXTRA 6meters Cord/Adapter/Capsule that i paid almost 100$.
Thank you for your whole unbiased input as well as your video.
Your presentation was superb! I noticed that your delivery was smooth and apparently did not require the usual huge clump of edits to get a message across! A professional approach all the way!
Has anyone used these as a usb interface with an instrument. I'm looking at this for a synthesizer (and to record samples) but I'm not surenif it would be better to get separate devices (with a slightly higher overall cost budget-wise)
"Good is better. Loud is just louder." 😂well said. I had to chuckle from your latent frustration.
i got h1n and h4n pro black and they look awesome and professional and i love them
Wow…..an honest review. It’s so rare nowadays. Subscribed right away ❤
Yay! Thank you!
I agree about new look and about old microphones. Zoom has to change "something" to make money. 32-bit float is handy as a reason to make changes = make money, but - as you said - it's not for everybody. I use 32-bit float a lot for field recordings, especially in industrial environment, I use Tascam X8 and Zoom F3, now I have new H1E for some simple situations. But - to be honest - I love my old H1n. For look, for fantasy-wave-mic-protection, for simplicity. I bought H1E, because H1n's level knob doesn't working :( - so, why not a new H1n? Yeah... 32-bit float, no knob and... USB-C, which is important today (and will be more in the future). But still, I agree with you, Robert!
Loved your thoughts!
I got a M2 for the distortion free guarantee, but I find the work time/conversion time is a hassle. So I use my R24 at 16 bit/48khz. instead. I run a stereo track from my bands mixer, a stereo track from the built in mics at the lowest gain (they are very sensitive), and have the option of adding a stereo track from either a H2N or the M2. Having the signals going to the R24 keeps them in line/phase , and I don't have to do time correction when mixing 😉
Exactly. People think 32bit float is the best, but they don't realize how much work has to be done on the back end. Most people should just set the levels correctly in the first place and be done with it. Cheers.
H1n will be what i seek.Thank You.
I bought the H4nPro Black edition as well. I have not been disappointed so far! The only two gripes I have is in regards to battery life (which is kinda short) and the time it takes to boot the device if you use a 32Gb sd! Other than that it's a great piece of kit and I use on the go all the time! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the new product line. I also think it's a horrendeous business practice to go by. I see that happening lots of places nowadays sadly:(
I dunno I use xlr mics for the most part.
These are recorders. You connect your XLR mic into the recorder.
I bought the H1e. It is not expensive, in money as well as in quality. I bought it because I really like the care free 32 bit float.
As a DJ over 12 years, I always give my booth output to the videographers so they can capture the sound from a seperate set volume from what I'm playing out of my PA system. And of course more bass baby!!! Gotta feel the thump to get dancing. But of course it helps having nice Presonus constant curvature line array tops that have 8 separate 2" drivers and a 12" midrange woofer so I can actually turn the volume down quite a bit and the sound still carries really far. And can turn the subs up on my 18s more than the tops
This is such a great review! Thank you! Could you possibly recommend a portable recorder you like better than the H!essential for around the same price? I would prefer 32-bit but doesn't have to be. Sounds like Tascam's designs are preferred by many.
Well, the H1 e XLR is a new offering from zoom, and I think it's a great update. The XLR capability allows you to use your own mics, thus giving you full control over the sound you collect.
As much as I don't like the H1E, it's not a bad recorder. 32-bit is important and has its place. So, if you just need a handheld recorder that does 32-bit float recording, you really cannot be the price of the H1E.
If you want to step up a little bit, the zoom f3 would be a good choice.
My current favorite is the Tascam portacapture X8. It's around $400 on sale, so quite a bit more than the H1E, but it is so much more than just a field recorder.
I have done a long-term review on the X8, and my initial thoughts about the mic capsules being cheaply made out of plastic and likely to break has been proven WRONG. I love the onboard mic capsules. They sound awesome. They are made of plastic, however, they are well made and have not broken even when I have dropped the device from waste or desk high directly on the mic caps. I'm thoroughly impressed with the X8.
If you can swing it, I think the X8 is the best choice. It's a bigger recorder than the H1E, and if that's okay, then save up and get it. If not, and price is a big part of your purchasing decision, go ahead and get the H1E or H1EXLR. They're good recorders.
@@RobertHamm Omg, thanks for taking the time for this response. It's everything I need to know and extremely helpful. Can't thank you enough! I just may go for the Tascam,
Agree that legacy Zoom mics should have been compatible with the new Zoom mics and some of the new Zooms are getting uglier than necessary. I love my three Hs, H6 and F3 and just ordered the new 32bit H1 but wish I could use the old Zoom mics in 32bit float too. When Canon changed their lens mount and made them incompatible with their new cameras I switched to Sony. (BTW I needed to darken the monitor playback level to be very dark because your transitions are blindingly bright and aggressive compared to the rest of your movie)
I bought a used H6 off ebay last week for $180US. Cant wait for it to arrive! 😊
Zoom F8n Pro has 32bit with the old Zoom connector
Thanks. I was about to buy the h1n then noticed it said old version and I didn’t realise a new version came out. Old one purchased since it’s a steal of a price.
From the reviews I have been watching it seems that for someone that isnt an audiophile the essential line is great for someone starting out. I have the zoom h1n and was going to get the new h1e but ill probably get the h4 for the extra inputs and not having to worry about gain.
The only recorder in the Essential lineup that has caught my attention is the H1 XLR. I am considering replacing my F3 for it. But who knows. My F8n Pro is 32bit float, yet it does still take the old Zoom attachments. :)
I agree almost 100%.
Buyers beware the zoom h6 essential is not compatible as an audio interface on windows 11 arm 64 computers. The driver available is only for x64 processors. I am stuck with my device .
But doesn't it save to an SD card??
The new capsule for the zoom H6 essential means that the company want to kill all the old accessory to push customers for a New market of 32 bit float .
A still use my F1 with many capsules and it's a great recoder for 24 bits - 96 khz.
I also notice that the new zoom essentials séries looks like a plastic toys with an outdated screen !! Compared to the tascam x6/x8 screen !!
I completely agree. Thanks for your comment.
Hi, I am not an audio person and wanted a budget recorder + mic for filmmaking purposes (SFX + voiceover/dialogue). Initially I was looking at the H1n and then got pulled into the Essential series 32 bit float hype. I finally found the F1-SP (shotgun mic version) interesting and was also looking at getting an additional XY mic capsule.
I would like to hear both of your recommendations for my options-
- F1 + SGH-6 (mono shotgun mic) + X/Y capsule - so I could interchangeably use the mic capsules according to my needs.
- H4n Pro (do it all recorder + mic) is the audio quality and noise levels better than the H1n, only then would it make sense as I do not intend to use external mics through the XLR inputs.
- H1n (do it all recorder + mic)
Many Thanks!
So glad you mentioned how ugly it is - do they have no pride?
I will say again.Its a shame you cant pop the mics into a capsule to use them with other mixers and recorders. Would be cool to try them with my 1073 for example.
I have the H4n pro and H6. I agree that the new Zooms are ugly and just trashing the old mic capsules is a huge money grab. I'm glad I added the EXH-6 capsule before this all started. I use my H6 as an audio interface and appreciate the extra inputs for my synths and acoustic instruments. I won't be buying any "essentials" and with the capsule system gone will likely go with Tascam if my current recorders die. Thanks for sharing your professional experience.
great review !
Thanks!
I think everyone needs to use 32-bit themselves to realise that it's over-rated and not needed 95% of the time. Also the huge file size is annoying. Unfortunately Zoom has used the 32-bit gimmick to release a new line-up with the same noisy af pre-amps from 2014 (EIN -120 dBu).
Thanks for your comment. That's my whole point. People won't understand until they start working with it. If they have never worked with audio before, then this first introduction will set them up for bigger file sizes and longer workflows. 32bit float has it's good uses, but it's not the default standard. Cheers.
the price of the extending cables are over the top.
There's an opening for a third party manufacturer to make an adapter. Really no electronics involved, just wiring the contacts between one fitting and the other.
Agreed as long as the connector isn't pattented.
I was hoping the Zoom would come with a easy choice over the Tascam X8, but worse preamps and questionable design choices weren't on my bingo card. Maybe Deity decides to enter the game. I have a feeling they could make a run for their money.
Yeah, I agree. Zoom has taken a different approach, and it works well for what they're trying to do. I like their f series recorders, especially their f3. I like their new H1 XLR. I'm going to do a video on that. I think that's the way to go with this small form factor as compared to the H1E. But, it would have been nice to have just a little more polish on these devices. I'm looking forward to a pro series from zoom, maybe a continuation of their f series. That would be cool.
@@RobertHamm is there any indication or rumor about a pro series? I’ve seen a couple of people hoping for it, but for now it seems like wishful thinking. I thought the F series were the pro line. I have a F6, but I love the convenience of having a on board mic for quicker jobs.
Thanks for your input... I too think the upsell policies of making older equipment redudant is a curse that will return to haunt those manufactures... I think of Apple, Microsoft, Adobe and many others who put limits on their gear after you have made your investment... shameful showing of greed.
H6essential CANNOT record MP3 etc. only wav
I bought an H4n Pro recently and I like it. The H6 looks like a great upgrade if I need even more versatility, but the new 32-bit Essentials serie look cheap, nasty, & pretty unattractive to me.
Its all in how you use it. The value of 32bit is to avoid overload clip distortion. You record something live. sounds real nice but it clipped in one spot now its trash. You dont get a 2nd chance. I record organ in big churches.
I 1000% agree when you say it's ugly, thank God I'm not the only one. Zoom needs to fire whoever designed their product since the G11 G6 lineup released. Everything after G11 is just designed as absolute monstrosity. The G11, G6, B6, G2Four series, the new Multistomp+ series, and now the new H series all have those diagonal lines whatever design, and fake carbon texture which makes it looks cheap 😂 and don't get me started on those ugly LCD you get on the new Multistomp+.
I absolutely love the software and specs behind all of Zoom's product, but lately the design is such a bummer to be even considered professional gear.
Still happy with my og h5. Still trucking. I had to get the sticky stuff off though lol.
How did you remove the sticky stuff ?
@@SlyDanger805 Used isopropyl alcohol on paper towels on my H1. Took a lot of time tho perhaps I should have used more alcohol. Just be careful of any text markings not to remove them.
Totally agree, new ones look ugly not professional. I'm considering purchasing all mic mods + F1. 32 bit it's a marketing strategy for people who don't know about leveling, in fact Sonic Scoop, grammy winning engineer talks about why 24 bit is too much even for nowadays purposes, at the end of the day most people works in a true 12 bit dynamic range!!
Yeah, and thanks for your comment. That bitrate discussion was mostly to point out that people have two options: get the earlier 24bit recorders and capsules at a great discount right now, or pay more and get 32bit. 32-bit recording has real benefits, but in a consumer world, it's mostly a buzzword.
Did you know that the H1 essential won't even let you record and anything other than 32-bit? That's crazy. Let's say you needed to deliver a file quickly for some reason. Let's say you were on a job and you had to give the producer your recordings so they could listen to them. You wouldn't give him 32-bit recordings! The likelihood is they wouldn't be able to preview them. 32-bit recordings won't play and your phone's music app, you need some form of editing tool to play back 32-bit recordings. So the fact that the H1 essential won't even give you a 24-bit option is ridiculous.
It's unfortunate that people just don't pay attention to what's actually being said, or promoted. They have so much loyalty to a brand that does not care about them that they just completely ignore basic facts. But I could say that about all walks of life. Cheers.
Fyi - there are plenty of DJs who are light years ahead of you in all aspects of audio and video.
Ohh, did I hurt your snowflake feelings?!? Awe, you feel bad? Better go have a good cry and talk it out with your therapist.
@@RobertHamm LOL just sayin Bono. Tx for showing the real you.
You're worthless and you don't know it. Casting the first stone hurts, huh? 😔
@@RobertHamm You cast the first stone in your video dipshit.
Oh, little baby need to scream at someone? Too stupid. Dumb baby shit talk my video and then cry about it. You're retard. I mean you're literally an idiot. I love that I have to explain this to you. You make a shit comment to my video, and then I call you out for it, and you're so stupid You say I started it. You're a moron. Have you been smacked yet? I wonder if you would been smacked yet. People like you usually haven't been smacked properly.
I agree that 32 bit float is not needed by most people but it sounds like a lot of the whining about 32 bit float is by people who don't know how to work with 32 bit float.
They look absolutely fugly. I didn't get the impression they are discontinuing the other ranges though.
Thanks for your comment. I made that statement based on the fact that the older versions are heavily discounted right now. For example, click one of the Amazon links. As of the video, all units were on some sort of sale. I mentioned the H6, but the H1n was on sale for $69! That's cheap. That's a tacticany brands use to get rid of stock before discontinuing a product.
i agree
thanks.
I wanted to like the essentials because I had voice guidance and I’m blind.
I love my Zoom H5 but I can’t use any of the menus independently without asking my friend once in a while to fix important settings. It’s a pain in the ass.
So I’m really disappointed that these new recorders have hardly any features for so much money when I could just throw down and get like The H2 and with a stereo 360 in Zoom, but I think I’ll save my money and just get an expanded stereo capsule to put on the H5.
My friend me who is also blind has been looking for an accessible recorder beyond the junk Olympus that talks, but it’s too small and way overpriced and it’s literally just for like your pocket
So honestly, maybe these were made for blind people who can’t see the ugliness lol but I don’t want an ugly product Idon’t know about 32 control
Don’t know about 32 bits because I’m really good at gain control at this point.
I guess I don’t need these but why couldn’t they put voice access in every zoom recorder in the menus? It’s not that hard.
FACTS!!!!!
Robert, might they be going more high end on the mic caps ? Use your old mic on the xlr's. 24 bit sound isn't dead, so use what you have and enjoy it ! Mic modeling is changing the industry right now. Old equipment people are not doing well. Their hardware is being replaced. Buy one mic and have 8 models and sounds to pick from. Look for the best sound and be happy when you get it !
Hello. And thank you for your comment. Yes, I agree. They might actually be updating the microphone capsules that they produce. I have no problem with that. My point was that the reason the old microphone capsules are not compatible with the new recorders is a bunch of garbage. The idea that 32-bit float recording requires a better microphone is silly. It makes no sense. Microphones are pieces of equipment that stand the test of time. They don't need to be updated because you're because a recording technology improves. No one updated the sure SM-57 when we stop recording on quarter inch tracks, reel to reel, cassette tapes, or to CD and other digital technologies. That makes no sense. That was my point.
Are you on Zoom's engineering team. XLR's are good but different. Might there be a reason ?
Seriously? Do you know anything about microphones? Have you ever used one? Why do you think that microphone technology has not really changed over the past 100 years? You don't even know the difference between signal acquisition and signal conversion. The problem is not with the microphones for Zoom or anyone else. The problem is not with the recording format. That means Zoom has no reason to say that it's an issue with 32-bit float and there microphone capsules because if that was the case, then that would be true for any microphone plugged into 32-bit recorders, especially there's. And that's not the case. That's not true. You can plug whatever microphone you want into the Zoom recorder using 32-bit or 16-bit or 24-bit and it will work the way it's supposed to. It's a cash grab.
Your analogy shows you know very little about microphones. This is the fact. Let me make it very easy for you to understand: do you need to get new tires on your car because you put a new engine in it? No. That's stupid. That's exactly what Zoom has done. Zoom has made a new sound processing engine, which isn't actually new, and Tascam was able to do it without requiring new microphones, sound devices was able to do it without requiring new microphones, but now you Believe the hype that since Zoom came up with a their version of 32-bit recording, you have to buy more expensive microphone capsules. Slow clap for you buddy. You're a winner.
XLRs are different? Are you stupid or something? No they aren't. They simply have a different connector. It's three wires for all mics, ground, hot, and shield. If you have a stereo mic, add another hot. If you don't want a balanced connection, get rid of the shield. There's nothing different about the microphones other than the connection they use to connect to the recording device. That connection could be anything you want it to be, spaghettiOs and beef noodles too! It does not matter. XLR, quarter inch, 1/8 inch, RCA.. you could basically use any of those.
Robert, what about an adapter ? From mic's you have to stereo XLR's into the Zoom ? Them 32 bit might just work. They already have an extender for the mic adapter ! All The Best !@@RobertHamm
Wondering if there are any minimalist artists using this good gear for albums (folk etc)… hmm
Excellent review! What an absolute burn about the mic capsules. I bought them all about five years ago. Really glad you mentioned that. I have dropped the H1, and broke the plastic surrounding them. The design aesthetic of the Essential series is indeed FUG. As a musician that likes to sample random sounds, 32 bit float means I can hit the record button (in a panic) without worrying about levels. Too many times I’ve missed something important because I was fumbling about. Or, Something extremely loud is about to happen, and I can’t predict where to set the levels. So for me, 32 bit float would be on all the time. I laughed about your comment over the DJ’s! It’s so true: they are generally r3tarded, and as a front of house engineer, I have the experiences to prove it. Anyways, great stuff!
Zoom is slowly starting to become ADOBE, I love their products but those scammy moves, like the old mics thing, not been able to use the old ones, forcing you to buy the new ones, are just too greedy.
Ugly? LOL! That not even relevant. Looks are for audio production newbies. Also, 32 bit float recording is the main reason for owning this device. File sizes are not important to me as hard drive space is cheap. If you can afford the device you can afford the storage. I have the H6 Essential and it is the best digital recorder I have ever owned. My old Zoom H4, my digital Tascam, and my Marantz are now all obsolete. Another reason that makes this device so great is its ADA features. I have very bad eyes and I absolutely love the accessibility functions. It makes the H6 Essential really easy to use for the visually disabled. Basically, six channel 32 bit float recording in a handheld device is the bomb!! Full stop. If you don’t like the looks…get over it.
"Looks are for noobs.. if you don't like the looks get over it".. Those are your words. Those words come from someone that is never worked in the professional production industry. You don't work with forward-facing clients. Show up to a wedding with a teeny tiny pocket camera as the wedding photographer. Yeah right, gear doesn't matter. For client-facing positions, and positions you hope to get from people attending those events, you better have the right gear and the right look, and the right work. All are equally important in booking work.
The new recorders look like Elon's CyberTruck.
Haha. Yeah, I can see it.
"good is better" haha yes
Greed.
Complain much?
zoom scam
Such a flawed opinion. You don’t know as much as you think.
Really? So, you think you can use the old mic capsules on the new recorders? You have to have 32bit float? Interesting. I don't think you watched the video. You're a bit of a dumbass.
@@RobertHammYou're both hilarious👍
Davebass i read some of your comments on other recording devices...
This way i found you are the one who does not know much😂
Great vid I agree just get good with setting levels and 24 bit 48khz is all you need.. (you can even use light compression and limiting in the h6 *or in post* to help ensure balanced and non-peaked audio) If you’re doing something important use the backup feature but even for my final studio recording projects at Berklee College of Music we never set up projects with 32 bit float or even 96khz because our teachers showed us tests right in front of us years prior, a good ear can notice a diff between 44.1 and 48k but 96k was hardly if at all noticeable to me and 32 bit float is nice for headroom but with the right mic for the job, set at a reasonable distance from the source, with properly set levels you can get pro results without making your file sizes larger than they have to be or getting a new device for no reason.