I think you've mentioned in a few videos that - 23 LUFS is broadcast standard but - 16 LUFS is often preferred for online distribution. Any chance you could expand upon this in a future video?
I've had the DR100 MK3 for a couple years now and have not been disappointed. It has worked well even under fairly rough conditions, including heavy costal moisture in the air.
For sound designers, the X8's ultrasonic noise spikes in 192K mode are definitely significant! Take a recording, drop it a few octaves, and that noise will become a high-pitched audible tone. Whether you could work around that without spoiling the sample would depend on the application.
I like how you included a bit of musical use for this recorder Curtis. I won't be a buyer for this new Tascam recorder but it's a good trend to see 32 bit float recording now available in these consumer type recorders with onboard mic capsules. I use and love the Zoom F6 these days and have the H6 in my bag as backup when I'm recording my concerts. Thanks for the great video again!
Curtis , you are our audio King , thank you so much for explaining everything so thoroughly to us mere mortals!! I can’t make a single audio related purchase without checking out your opinions first! Let me ask you one thing my friend… I do a lot of video work with doctors, dentists and etc for social media… been using lavalier mics but wanted to step up my game , so I picked up a mkh 416 this week… would you say that this tascam would be a good combination with it?? I would use mostly for spoken word… Thank you so much my friend
Curtis congrats in another piece of review! One question I’m between F6 and X8, I’ve noticed you told somebody in the comments that you prefer F6. Anything in particular for this advice? The preamps? Build quality? Form factor? Sound? I’m very interested in the float 32 recording.
Curtis I appreciate this. Here are some things I like (in no particular order) 1.) The notes at the beginning. Specifically the timing of them, like you understand that I can pause it if I need to which is great. 2.) Colors, I watch these at night sometimes and you keep the colors....gentle on my eyes 3.) You're cadence and voice. It's accurate, paced properly, clear, concise, relevant, and human. 4.) The info. You give us exactly what we need to know. 5.) Kindness. I see you pop up on other channels to comment sometimes and it's always kind, supportive, and makes me happy. 6.) Honesty honesty honesty. You tell it like it is. 7.) Have a great day man. Thanks for doing what you do. We random humans are ACTUAL humans that ACTUALLY appreciate you! Haha be well.
part of me thinks it's interesting that it has basically an android phone built in... but a bigger part of me wishes these things were just hard knobs and switches. I cant stand dealing with touch screen in the field.
Dear Patrick, I think we could all benefit from more analogue controls. And we could all benefit from some of the food you photograph as well. I hope some day to share a meal with you. 🙏
On 32 bit Float…I don’t know about anyone else, but I never thought I’d see the day when you could record something with clipping or really low and still be able to adjust to make it sound good. Blows my mind.
I had a traumatic experience where I was filming an EDM festival for my first time, using the X8 to capture audio off the DJ mixer. Because I enabled pre-record for my first time, when I hit record and saw the border of the screen illuminate red and heard the inputs through my headphones I assumed it was good to go. When I went to listen back to the recording after filming all night long (New Years in Miami is wild), there was no audio captured. People need to know, this recorder must have the record button pressed twice to actually record.
It’s a tad bit disappointing that the X8 has so many issues from what I’ve seen, especially for $500. Luckily for me, I found a Mixpre 3 II for $500 and returned this unit. Hoping that Tascam learns from their mistakes.
The review did not list a lot of issues, neither have other professional reviews. I am not sure what you are referring to. Also, Sound Devices recorders are one of the best, no doubt, but they cost a lot more than this device and they are nowhere near as easy to use.
@@curtisjudd Ah ok, so there are no actual problems with the device, everything is working as intended... It just depends on the scenario if it's the right tool to use? Because the comment sounded like there are actual mistakes and issues...
Announced today: “With the introduction of the V1.30 firmware update, the Portacapture X8 now has the capability to use 32-bit float point resolution when using the unit as a USB audio interface to a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). This facilitates wider dynamic range, higher resolution, and greater audio quality for better overall record quality. The 32-bit float technology enables audio to be dynamically controlled and edited virtually without limitations. Clipped audio segments can easily be corrected and, similarly, low level audio passages can be adjusted to a higher dB level. Paul Youngblood, Director of Product Marketing at TASCAM, commented on the new features offered by the V1.30 firmware update, “The Portacapture X8 has proven itself to be a full-featured, powerful handheld recorder both on its own or when used in tandem with a computer. As a company, we strive to listen carefully to our users, as this enables us to learn first-hand how our equipment gets used in a wide range of applications-and the V1.30 update is a perfect example of this. We’ve taken the most requested capabilities and turned those into new features that make the Portacapture X8 even more versatile and useful.”
@@curtisjudd “The USB MIX MINUS function can now be used in the PODCAST app. This can suppress the occurrence of echoes in audio from remote participants when capturing podcasts.”
im having trouble using this as an interface for Cubase. I see all the channels in the input selection but when I hit record, there's no signal. may you please explain?
I purchased this recorder to replace the Zoom H8 because of the following reasons: 1. The Zoom H8 has a micro-USB connector which is irritating. The X8 has a USB-C connector which is MUCH more convenient. 2. The Tascam X8 has 32 bit float recording. 3. The X8's touchscreen is far superior to the H8's touchscreen - it's not even close. 4. The X8 is far more intuitive to use. 5. Recording music on the X8 with effects like reverb is easier and it is well laid out in the app. For amateurs like me, recording my original songs on the Tascam X8 is FAR easier than the Zoom H8. With the Zoom H8, often it would not start recording when I hit the record button twice, and it was hard to see on the touchscreen to monitor what was going on. On the X8, this has not been a problem. The entire record process for music using music app or recording without the app is streamlined and laid out far better with the Tascam X8. For people new to audio recording, this is extremely helpful. 6. The recording quality of the X8 appears to be at least equal to the H8. The Tascam X8 recordings of my original songs generally sound better than those I made on the Zoom H8. I am a skilled musician and songwriter and I CAN hear the difference. I am not sure why they sound better, but they do. Without effects, the difference is not world shaking, but with effects, it is night and day. The Tascam allows amateurs to easily add effects in the music app. 7. You can control every function of the X8 from an android phone remotely via the Bluetooth dongle. On the Zoom H8, you cannot control every function and their remote dongle only works with IOS (Apple) phones or tablets. The remote function on the H8 only lets you monitor the recordings and you cannot adjust the settings remotely. Every review of the Bluetooth remote control of the X8 has said it works very well with no delay. 8. I don't have a need to record in 192 kHz. Plus to do so would require expensive microphones. One professional reviewer mentioned that not many mics have the ability to record in that high sample rate range. I will take their word for it. Having said that, the 192 kHz feature is available on the X8, but the H8 does not have this feature at all. 9. The cost is fairly equal. The X8 is about a $100.00 more. Thanks for your thorough review - it was excellent. I have two questions. Do you think there is a hearable difference between the Zoom F6 or other higher level recorder (from any manufacturer) and the Tascam X8 for music and song recording, when recorded at 44 kHz, 48 kHz and 96 kHz? If there would be a difference that is audible, what prosumer audio recorder would you recommend in the price range up to $2,000.00? Thanks, Frank Long
Thanks for sharing, Frank. I haven't found sample rates to make a big difference unless you are doing sound design work and plan to slow the sound down for sound effects. However, the 32-bit float can make a practical difference if you happen to set your gain incorrectly. So the difference between the Zoom F6 and the X8 is largely going to be dynamic range in 32-bit float mode. If you're recording REALLY loud music and you have a high quality microphone which can handle high SPLs (e.g., >130dB SPL) then the 32-bit float on the F6 is going to be a safer bet. But if you set your gain appropriately, you can make fine recordings with the X8.
@@curtisjudd Thanks, your advice is very helpful. I feel a little bit like I am in a dark room and I am trying to "feel" my way through to the light when it comes to sound recording. There is a big learning curve to understanding both audio and video recording.
feels like its in a weird spot with the F6 a little above with better pre amps, more xlr inputs ect and the F3 below if you just need 2 channels of 32bit float but I don't see what tascam could do here.
Just got the X8 and really enjoying it thus far. Coming from a mixpre 6-ii, the large touchscreen and easy to navigate UI is a godsend. As Curtis points out, the flexibility/versatility is probably what is the best thing about the X8.
great video thanks! I've just bought the X8 and have a shoot coming up where they plan to use Tentacle Sync and send me audio timecode to sync up later in post. How do I mute the timecode monitor channel so I don't have it coming through the headphones?
Nice review thanks. I'm torn between the X8 and the Zoom F6 for recording rehearsals of classical music ensembles. 32 bit float is going to be a life saver so I'm sure either will be a big upgrade on a zoom h1!
Hi Curtis, great review! (as always). I’m in the same situation - recording classical music (classical guitar specifically); is your preference for the Zoom F6 due to the quality of the preamps? Many Thanks.
There are many reasons why yours is an excellent review but let me comment on one aspect. The lighting and product presentation is the best in the business. The colorful background, controlled depth of field combined with high res image and sharp focus make a very engaging video.
Hey! Do you know if it's possible to record different channels to one file with multiple tracks. Whenever I record i get every track as an individual file, which makes sorting everything a pain.
Good job as usual. Seems to me that 32 bit is best as a single operator tool when you cannot mind the camera and and lighting and worry about things like Make up and what the talent is warning and the set and constantly monitor audio levels at the same time.
Dear Curtis, may I ask why did you used -23 LUFS for this test? Is it because european standar or because the device? Why not -19 LUFS? Could you make deeper video about this X8, please? I bought it last month, but still configuring all features and how I could use them properly according to the situation. i really like this tascam. Thank u
Hi Herman. Good question. I normalized the audio to -23 LUFS because I could do that without applying a limiter or compressor or any other processing to the file to reach that loudness target. That just happens to be the same target used for TV broadcast in Europe.
Hi Curtis! Great video as always. Do I understand correctly at 13:54 that the Zoom F3 does have better pre-amps than this Tascam? (and therefore will get more out of the 32bit float with decent microphones). This Portacapture has a lot more features, the nice screen, the included mics etc, but I think I'd do with the bare bones F3. It's also cheaper, and if it does sound better I think that would make the F3 a no-brainer for me.
Hi Roger, no, I haven't tested the F3 yet, still waiting for my copy to arrive. However, if they use the same preamps as the F6, then yes, they'll surely have more dynamic range than the X8. I wouldn't say that they sound better, just to be precise.
Would you say that the TASCAM DR-701D's preamps are better than the X8's? And how do you rate the DR-701D preamps compared to the Zoom F6? I compared the quality of the DR-701D preamps to the Mixpre 3 and I have to say I like the DR-701D better. They sound warmer, more natural. The Mixpre 3 has a certain digital hardness in the sound. Or not?
Thanks for this review, Curtis. I wonder, is 32 bit float available if you record a podcast with 3 or 4 people? I ask, because I read somewhere, that 32 bit float is not available in the Podcast settings.
I've heard the same thing. I was wondering if recording in manual mode would be the solution for instead of the default "podcast" settings. Plus I suppose Curtis would say it shouldn't be a sweat since its just talking heads that would be recorded.
Podcast recording app disappoints on this: It's 24bit 48khz recording exclusively. Much worse... If you have recording settings at 32bit float, and open up the podcast app, it bumps the device setup into 24b/48k, affecting all subsequent recording. So you need to go back into the devices record settings and reset them after opening the podcast app. Exploring the device after getting it...I was puzzled about how things kept getting reset. A thorough read of the manual told me the podcast app was exclusively 24b/48k, and examination showed it was undoing previous settings across all recording.
Thank you so much for the excellent review; I've been waiting for your take on this unit. The X8 looks really interesting for many use cases, but I'm left wishing Tascam put the R&D into different areas. Personally, I'd rather have something like a Zoom H5 (smaller, more physical controls) but with improved preamps and headphone amp rather than 32bit recording and a big screen with lots of presets. The X8 looks like it might be a super versatile and popular device after a few minor revisions to fix it's early issues, but I'm left wondering if a Centrance Mixerface (top of my budget :-) might be a better option for my uses. Or maybe Zoom will upgrade the H5 with improved preamps :-) hope springs eternal! Anyway, thank you again so much for your excellent channel and review.
My ideal recorder at this form factor would be the H6 but with locking xlr inputs, locking faders, better preamps, better headphone amp and a quieter stereo mic. That's a lot I know but competitors offer all of that. What I like about the H6 is actually it's interface. Easy to control faders on the fly. Easy to arm/solo any track in the click of a button. The essentials are right in front of you and don't require a screen and menu to navigate.
Your review is by far the best and most elaborated with detailed explanation. Now waiting for your Zoom F8n Pro review and workflow because i am gonna have one next month :D
I am very glad I watched this video before purchasing. The 192khz 32 bit is not really necessary for what I do and the other pitfalls were really deal killers for me, and I went with the Zoom H8 instead for its capsules and versatility.
Thank you for a great review! You mention other recorders you have tested with lower self noise than the X8. Can't stretch to Sound Devices prices right now but if you have any thoughts on low self noise portable field recorders that would be really appreciated. I am considering a Zoom F3 to replace my H4N.
I wish Tascam would make an improved DR701D. That's what I want from a recorder. Everything the 701D has, but with 6-8 inputs, and the ability to run off a camera battery, and maaaybe 32-bit float though I don't see that as necessary. Instead of trying to compete with Zoom in the handy recorder space, Tascam should stick to making recorders for film and video because that's what they're good at.
Nice Video! Does Tascam plan to add more of the apps on the recorder? Or are the preinstalled the final ones? Any plans to try the AK-BT1 bluetooth remote control dongle too?
what is the single file max record length? Is it limited length of time per recording session? We plan on using a 512 GB card with DC external power, but many of these units still limit the length of single recording files.
You laughing about recent Zoom recorders with Micro-USB ports is really funny. I recently bought the Zoom H5 and that has a Mini-USB port. Like WTF, that really reminded me of the old PS3 days, holy shit. Edit: Otherwise, it's a great recorder though, haha.
Having a really hard time attempting to use the X8 as an interface with Audition (in multi track), no matter what settings on the computer or tascam, no audio is displayed when the track is armed and record is pressed. Perhaps a video demonstrating exactly how to make it happen is useful since no one has one.
But that zoom h8 is so ugly especially all plugged In, cephalopod transformer toy, lol I’m a studio engineer/writer/producer we do not offer mobile services we do enjoy our prepped rooms to much And the Neumanns are afraid to leave the building Looking to capture samples to build kontakt libraries and for experimental sound design Protools, Studio One, Ableton and Logic But it is interesting to hear a filmmakers take on the Tascam H8 I have 2 on the way, thanks for the info and kudos on anything Neve we are running a 5088 since 2008👍🏼
As of September 2022, one advantage being seen in the touchscreen interface is the ability to revise and enhance the feature set offered. In the last year it gained solo monitoring of inputs and channels, Bluetooth timecode support, and ability to store and retrieve configurations for input dynamics as well as three customized configurations created in the manual mode or other app modes. Supposedly other stability fixes were also made in the firmware, and on release it clearly needed some. But unlike devices whose operation is heavily defined by physical control elements, the touchscreen UI allowed them to push the device out and later revise and enhance its feature set. At first it wasn't clear how much they'd do that, and perhaps they're done now, but they probably don't have to finished as room for more improvements remain.
@@curtisjuddReally appreciate your reviews, they're kinda the go-to trusted source for me and others.. So thought this might be best place to post update. Not so related to the touchscreen interface, but it also gained the ability to serve a 32 bit interface to the computer... And the price currently has a $100 (20%) discount from the $500 release price. I'm suspecting that will stick, as it seems like where this quality level product should have been from the start... Just as your reaction to the initial price reflected. My guess is they rushed it out unpolished at a high asking price to grab the opportunity. ...The launcher wheel in the UI always had those three empty spots that were begging for a future function, Now there are three user system configs that drop into those spots on the launcher.
Hey Curtis, have you used the tascam x8 as a windows 10 deskop audio interface? So far I am liking all the options and use cases the tascam x8 can do and compared to other recorders it seems to win out. But I need to be able to record 32bit float on my pc and monitor myself live via the tascam x8. I'd also like to be able to turn down the mic monitoring and desktop audio coming through the tascam x8 independently but I don't think that's a feature unfortunately. I will be using a rode nt1 as my microphone so hopefully the pre amps on the tascam x8 are good enough for that mic.
Hi Curtis, I'm on the market for a new field recorder. Do you think this one would be the best? My Zoom H6 packed in and I'm having trouble getting it repaired. Super vid here as always. I kinda knew the build of this would be a bit plastic.
As usual a very nice thoroughly explained video. But one question. if I'm recording multi track. or doing live streaming. can I send FX (like reverb) only to one specific channel? channel 1 mic, channel 2 guitar, channel 3 bass I only want to send it to the mic. is that possible?
I did not test this specifically, but I believe the answer is yes. In Manual mode, you can toggle reverb on in each channel menu. I would recommend you confirm with Tascam support to be certain.
Ah so you have to put the thing in stand buy mode then. Yes like the Olympus recorders. That always in stand buy mode thing confused Neal with the H6. Cause again he too was use to like this recorder does. You press record 1 time to go into stand buy wait to hear what you want then bam smash that record button again with a quickness to get the 3 seconds before and what not.
Interesting, I feel only 1 year for the warranty is a con. I would rather electronic manufactures stood by their product for 5 or 10 years. This means less #ewaste
Thank you for the review.. Now waiting for Zoom H6-II with 32 bit float, USB-C connection and faster bootup. For now, the Zoom H5 continues to be budget convenience king (along with F4 for more 'pro' work)
Agree, I got the XLR-module for my H5. I can use it for lavs that do not require phantom power. With backup recording it will protect from clipping in most situations. The XLR inputs I use for boom mics. In a dialogue or interview setup it will give you three recordings of the same source, plenty to work with. The signal from the boom mic needs to be pretty hot, like Rode NTG5. Using the optional remote, removes handling noises. Adjusting gain is out with the remote but you can start, stop the recording and playback. In addition, the H5 takes full size SD cards. microSDs are more fragile. Mini USBs are sturdier than micro, also a feature of H5. Why Zoom chose microUSB for H8 is beyond reason.
Mannn...damn shit intro at first, without mentioning the details put in this review that make everything for pros & cons. Buttt, some cons are not unique and can be in many recorders sir
@@spritual_enlightenment compared to the mixpre series? 1). Love the large touch screen, 2). Easy, clean and intuituve to navigate UI. I barely needed the manual to understand how to use it right off the bat. Due to small screen, the mixpre settings and UI is buried in multiple layers of screens and button pressing to access, 3). Really enjoy the built in effects (i.e compressor, reverb etc...). Especially impromptu music recordings, just record on the X8 music preset with compressor and little reverb with built-in mic, and you can get some amazing recordings 4). Mixpre preamps are better but to get 32bit and this many channels, ur looking at $1k for the comparable mixpre-6ii. X8 may be less 'pro' but it is more versatile and $500 cheaper for a comparable sound. 5). Looks are subjective, but i just think the X8 is a great looking device versus the mixpre and zoom offerings 6). This is a flagship portable sound recorder product for Tascam so I believe they will fix some of the early issues with future updates 7). Curtis didn't cover it. but the Bluetooth functionality is pretty darn good (I'm on Android). It's so convenient and opens up alot of different new use cases. Cons (what i don't like about the X8 after a month of use): 1). Need a way to completely turn off the display during recording if u want, 2). The way channel 1 & 2 is mapped is weird so it makes using the X8 as dedicated audio device for ur computer unusable. This should be an easy software update fix i think tho 3). no time code 4). due to form factor, it's not able to be used in a traditional sound bag like the mixpre series. This is not really a con for me but I know most pros in the field, this would be a big deal breaker for them 5). Small complaint, but it should have come with a windscreen 6). Wish it had a lithium rechargeable internal battery but to keep it at $500, they had to cut somewhere I guess
Great review and demo but I think I'll stick with my Zoom H6, F8N and H3VR. I also use a Tascam 680 & 680 mk2, a DR-60D mkII, a DR-70D and a HDP2 so am familiar with both Zoom and Teac-Tascam units and have found both positives and negatives over time with both companies products. Lately I have found that the Zoom products seem just slightly better for my needs but I respect and use devices from both. Your reviews have helped me come to purchase decisions and kept me informed of the new products as they come available.
funny I have the opposite reaction. I had the mixpre-6ii and sold it after liking the X8. Is the Mixpre 6-ii a "better" sound recorder overall, probably but is it $500 better? Heck no. I bet if people compared recordings made by both, u wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
I've been waiting/hoping you would do a review of this as there are not that many quality reviews out there for this recorder. I've been seriously considering getting this unit since it was announced but there seemed to be a a lot of minor bugs with it and I couldn't decide between this and the Sony PCM-D10. The Sony interface isn't as fancy as the Tascam but Sonys just seem to work. Thanks for the review.
Hi Curtis...thanks for your unbiased videos. You channel is real gold. If I may ask you. Does the 32bit float allow more agreesive post processing? I am wondering if I could think about it like recording 12 bit raw video which handle way more editing that other compressed format?? Thanks
Thank you for mentioning the hum above 20kHz in the higher sample rate recordings. I was so excited about this recorder but going off the reviews it's just got too many issues to make me confident in buying it.
Yes, I wouldn't have noticed it since I do not usually record at 192kHz so we have to credit several audiophiles for pointing that out. I'm not sure why hum above 20kHz is a practical concern, but thought it should be mentioned.
@@curtisjudd the concern is more for sound design purposes. When you record in the ultrasonic range you need to re-pitch those sounds to bring them into the human hearing range. So the hum on the X8 at 25kHz (even dropped by one octave) would become about 12.5kHz, well within human hearing.
I'll answer that but please understand that there are more important considerations. The Sound Devices 888 (Scorpio and 833 in the same series) have an EIN spec of -129dBu. But the thing most likely to introduce self noise into your audio signal chain is the microphone. So if "cleanliness" is at the top of your list, you need to look carefully for the right microphone as well.
I am curious, you comment that something like a Zoom F6 or Sound Devices recorder would have more "dynamic range" in recording. I don't think I understand your use of dynamic range because it applies to audio recording. In music, it would mean that a speaker or audio device would more fully cover the actual sound range of the original live recording. For example, if an orchestra was being recorded, the audio device with more dynamic range would capture the higher flute and woodwind sections and the bass drums and tuba low-end sounds more completely. The audio device would capture more "instruments" more clearly in this scenario and thus would have a "wider dynamic range." Is this the same definition for audio recorders that you are using? Will a $2000.00 Sound Devices recorder capture more "dynamic range" (capture more instruments in the orchestra) of musical instruments and vocals than the Tascam X8? I am trying to learn the vernacular of audio recorders.
Hi Frank, dynamic range in this case refers to loudness, not musical notes or frequencies. A recorder with a lot of dynamic range can capture the quietest to the loudest sounds such as thunder to the soft sound of light rain falling on grass.
Is there such a thing as a protective cover for it, for when it's in use. I've read several comments of people who have dropped it and damaged it and the spare parts are expensive.
That is the type of video when you have 0 info about a product, after you watching it, you do informed decision. Thank you. I have 2 questions tho. Will describe my scenario then at the end will ask. I have to record a podcast with 4 people. Will be using one set of rode wireless go 2 and one DJI wireless mic. Since there will be multiple tracks, when I will sync them, I am sure that will get that "phasing", "echoing" effect a lot. Have to turn off all fhe tracks in post except the one speaking in order to ger crispy audio. I will be using only 2 inputs on recorder, every input will have a track from 2 mics. Question 1: can the recorder make a track baking all together both tracks. Question 2: is the recorder going to mix it down without that "echoing, phasing, bleeding sound" from other mics? I am trying to save time in post production. So I don't have to cut individualy tracks. Thank you a lot. Have a productive week.
1) You'll need an input for each mic if you want to treat each mic independently in post. In other words, you'll need 3.5mm to dual XLR adapter for each wireless receiver. 2) No, if they're out of phase, the recorder won't fix that for you. If there is a phase invert (I can't remember whether this has that feature per input), then you might be able to reduce the effect a touch. The biggest thing you can do is space people away from each other to reduce that effect.
I would sync the audio to the GoPro video clips in post. But you should be able to use a 3.5mm stereo mini jack cable assuming the Hero has a 3.5mm mic input?
Tingly feelings that some people experience with close-mic'd sound. It doesn't work for me, but it does for some people. Seems like a good way to relax if it works for you.
@@curtisjudd Yep. My friend Katie did a video on a soup and she was telling you how to make it but in that ASMR way. The Lady is her channal. I can't remember what the soup was but meh you'll see it. She even put the fact that it's ASMR in the title. It just seemed kinda funny someone telling you how to cook something in ASMR. Ah that Katie.
Man, i was thinking of getting one to finally update my DR-44, but the battery and more podcast oriented arent what i need for field and film recording... guess ill just need to save up for that zoom h8 even tho it looks bulky, but the screen i feel is much nicer
I was looking to upgrade from my H4N Pro and I love the user interface of the X8 but the preamps seem no better for double the money so it's looking like the F6.
Sad to see a Huge, Well Respected Audio Company... State their ( 32 Bit Float Recorder ) as Wide Dynamic Range Recording capabilities, when it can't even handle the full Dynamic Range of my $200 Sennheiser MKE400 II with 116 dB Dynamic Range Shotgun Mic. Tascam Portacapture X8 can only Handle 112 dB of Dynamic Range in any given situation. ( Sadly that's even Lower Dynamic Range than some even 24 bit recorders out here can achieve) Zoom F6 Dynamic Range is 132 dB Sound Devices Mix Pre ii Series can handle 142 dB Dynamic Range! Where is the Missing High Dynamic Range for 32 Bit Workflow? And as i speculated before..... their Downfall in the Dynamic Range handing takes a hit in their Worse Noise Floor Performance. If you truly want set and forget, run and gun Audio without Clipping consider Zoom F6 or Sound Devices mix pre 32 bit float recorders.
Very much appreciate you taking a look at this. Some of your comments make me think that they only used a single A/D converter instead of using 2 to get a wider dynamic range. Of course, with previous Tascam recorders, the safety track option extends the dynamic range by 12dB, which can be handy in situations where this is needed. Personally, I'm most disappointed by the battery life. If you got about 4 hours with lithium batteries, that would suggest NiMH batteries would only get about 2 to 2.5 hours. This makes it a no-go for me, as I tend to use these types of recorders out in nature to get ambient recordings. My money would be better spent on a set of dedicated stereo mics to go with either my Tascam DR-44wl or DR-680mkII. (Something I have been considering, although not as convenient. Handling noise is another area of disappointment, especially since these devices are supposedly made to be held while recording.
Indeed exactly as i am thinking. Their stated Dynamic Range is only 112 dB ( Left completely out of public view for specifications and had to get through email contact with the engineering department ) For Reference these two other 32 Bit Float Recorders Zoom F6 has 132 dB Dynamic Range Sound Devices Mix Pre 3 ii Series Dynamic Range is 142 dB. So at 20 dB Dynamic Range Headroom Missing compared to a Zoom F6 and 30 dB ! vs Sound Devices Mix Pre ii... That's a whole LOT of missing Headroom! So where and how did Tascam Engineers Fail at this and huge amount of missing Dynamic Range especially for 32Bit Float
Thanks Alan. The safety track recording feature increases headroom but not overall dynamic range. I believe that they used multiple converters per input, but the relatively lower dynamic range of this device vs. the Sound Devices MixPre II series is likely due to poorer quality analogue preamplifiers.
@@curtisjudd It's possible I misunderstood your comments regarding the dynamic range available, so I guess I'll watch for a comparison between this and another Tascam device to see if there's any advantage here in that regard. Regarding combining tracks to increase dynamic range, this requires special post processing and setting levels to put the louder portions of the track into the safety track (thus reducing the headroom normally reserved as a safety), but it can be done.
@@alantuttphotography Yes, understood. Note that with the safety track recording, it is potentially a bit of a compromise because on the track recorded at -12dB, the noise floor is potentially closer to the sound source, or at best, the noise floor is different and so the job of blending that can be somewhat complex. It really depends on how they implement the safety track recording feature. If they're just using a pad, it may not sound the same as if they actually used a second preamplifier with 12 dB less gain applied (like on the ZOOM F series recorders).
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This video is normalized to -23 LUFS so that I didn't have to do any post processing and so you can hear how it sounds directly out of the recorder.
Is it possible to apply internal effects such as compressors and preset effects to the audio that has been recorded on this recorder?
@@OMTEKNO While it is recording, yes.
I think you've mentioned in a few videos that - 23 LUFS is broadcast standard but - 16 LUFS is often preferred for online distribution. Any chance you could expand upon this in a future video?
@@DanielSRosehill Yes, here: ua-cam.com/video/nOzZKEWJ5wk/v-deo.html
Which one has better preamps, the Tascam DR100 MKIII or the Portacapture X8?
Great coverage, Curtis! Thanks.
Thanks Gerald!
I've had the DR100 MK3 for a couple years now and have not been disappointed. It has worked well even under fairly rough conditions, including heavy costal moisture in the air.
Thanks for sharing, Ernie!
For sound designers, the X8's ultrasonic noise spikes in 192K mode are definitely significant! Take a recording, drop it a few octaves, and that noise will become a high-pitched audible tone. Whether you could work around that without spoiling the sample would depend on the application.
Thanks for sharing. 👍
This problem has not been fixed in the new firmwares ?
im really waiting for this video. I have heard a lot of problems of the Portacapture X8 and I was waiting for your review to make a good decision.
I hope it was helpful.
I like how you included a bit of musical use for this recorder Curtis. I won't be a buyer for this new Tascam recorder but it's a good trend to see 32 bit float recording now available in these consumer type recorders with onboard mic capsules. I use and love the Zoom F6 these days and have the H6 in my bag as backup when I'm recording my concerts. Thanks for the great video again!
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Good choice! I have the same two recorders (and the F8n but will soon upgrade to F8n pro)
Curtis , you are our audio King , thank you so much for explaining everything so thoroughly to us mere mortals!! I can’t make a single audio related purchase without checking out your opinions first!
Let me ask you one thing my friend… I do a lot of video work with doctors, dentists and etc for social media… been using lavalier mics but wanted to step up my game , so I picked up a mkh 416 this week… would you say that this tascam would be a good combination with it?? I would use mostly for spoken word…
Thank you so much my friend
Yes, that should work nicely.
Hello Curtis brother, I want to bring together all the music in the cassette player, can we save it to my stone recorder?
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Curtis congrats in another piece of review! One question I’m between F6 and X8, I’ve noticed you told somebody in the comments that you prefer F6. Anything in particular for this advice? The preamps? Build quality? Form factor? Sound? I’m very interested in the float 32 recording.
Yes, build quality and preamp quality.
@@curtisjudd excellent, got it. Stay with the F6 for buying. Thanks again Curtis!😀🙌
@curtisjudd, my X8 has suddenly reverted to 24-bit only and I can't change the bit depth back to 32-bit. Any recommendations?
I’d contact Tascam support. My guess is you have another setting which prevents 32-bit float.
@@curtisjudd, thanks! I fixed it. You can't record in 32-bit with the dual setting on.
Curtis I appreciate this. Here are some things I like (in no particular order)
1.) The notes at the beginning. Specifically the timing of them, like you understand that I can pause it if I need to which is great.
2.) Colors, I watch these at night sometimes and you keep the colors....gentle on my eyes
3.) You're cadence and voice. It's accurate, paced properly, clear, concise, relevant, and human.
4.) The info. You give us exactly what we need to know.
5.) Kindness. I see you pop up on other channels to comment sometimes and it's always kind, supportive, and makes me happy.
6.) Honesty honesty honesty. You tell it like it is.
7.) Have a great day man. Thanks for doing what you do. We random humans are ACTUAL humans that ACTUALLY appreciate you! Haha be well.
Thanks Geodesic Interpolation!
PS - Do you so some sort of cartography or Geosciences work? Curious based on the name...
Man! Did you have to say it all? You stole all of my thoughts. I've been learning from Curtis since 2018. Much love Sir, you've helped me greatly.
Easily the best review I've seen for this product (and similar). Thanks so much!
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part of me thinks it's interesting that it has basically an android phone built in... but a bigger part of me wishes these things were just hard knobs and switches. I cant stand dealing with touch screen in the field.
Dear Patrick, I think we could all benefit from more analogue controls. And we could all benefit from some of the food you photograph as well. I hope some day to share a meal with you. 🙏
@@curtisjudd yes! 🍝
On 32 bit Float…I don’t know about anyone else, but I never thought I’d see the day when you could record something with clipping or really low and still be able to adjust to make it sound good. Blows my mind.
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Always love a new Curtis Judd video! Thanks for making these videos, really helps to find what gear to get and just fun getting knowledge on things
Thanks Kyle.
I had a traumatic experience where I was filming an EDM festival for my first time, using the X8 to capture audio off the DJ mixer. Because I enabled pre-record for my first time, when I hit record and saw the border of the screen illuminate red and heard the inputs through my headphones I assumed it was good to go. When I went to listen back to the recording after filming all night long (New Years in Miami is wild), there was no audio captured. People need to know, this recorder must have the record button pressed twice to actually record.
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Hope wife is being paid as a session musician in this video! ☝🏼😉
She is. 😀🎻
It’s a tad bit disappointing that the X8 has so many issues from what I’ve seen, especially for $500. Luckily for me, I found a Mixpre 3 II for $500 and returned this unit. Hoping that Tascam learns from their mistakes.
Yes, I do hope so.
The review did not list a lot of issues, neither have other professional reviews. I am not sure what you are referring to. Also, Sound Devices recorders are one of the best, no doubt, but they cost a lot more than this device and they are nowhere near as easy to use.
Same here. I didn't see any issues in this review. What issues are there?
@@lukastemberger I did list some "cons" but whether those are issues depend on the situation in which the recorder is used.
@@curtisjudd Ah ok, so there are no actual problems with the device, everything is working as intended... It just depends on the scenario if it's the right tool to use?
Because the comment sounded like there are actual mistakes and issues...
Announced today: “With the introduction of the V1.30 firmware update, the Portacapture X8 now has the capability to use 32-bit float point resolution when using the unit as a USB audio interface to a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). This facilitates wider dynamic range, higher resolution, and greater audio quality for better overall record quality. The 32-bit float technology enables audio to be dynamically controlled and edited virtually without limitations. Clipped audio segments can easily be corrected and, similarly, low level audio passages can be adjusted to a higher dB level.
Paul Youngblood, Director of Product Marketing at TASCAM, commented on the new features offered by the V1.30 firmware update, “The Portacapture X8 has proven itself to be a full-featured, powerful handheld recorder both on its own or when used in tandem with a computer. As a company, we strive to listen carefully to our users, as this enables us to learn first-hand how our equipment gets used in a wide range of applications-and the V1.30 update is a perfect example of this. We’ve taken the most requested capabilities and turned those into new features that make the Portacapture X8 even more versatile and useful.”
Very nice, thanks for sharing 👍
@@curtisjudd “The USB MIX MINUS function can now be used in the PODCAST app.
This can suppress the occurrence of echoes in audio from remote participants when capturing podcasts.”
I brought it two weeks ago. I was waiting for this review. I like the interface and ease of use. It's a great piece of kit.
👍 Glad it works well for you!
im having trouble using this as an interface for Cubase. I see all the channels in the input selection but when I hit record, there's no signal. may you please explain?
@@AlternativeKava Probably best to contact Tascam support for help. Best wishes!
I purchased this recorder to replace the Zoom H8 because of the following reasons:
1. The Zoom H8 has a micro-USB connector which is irritating. The X8 has a USB-C connector which is MUCH more convenient.
2. The Tascam X8 has 32 bit float recording.
3. The X8's touchscreen is far superior to the H8's touchscreen - it's not even close.
4. The X8 is far more intuitive to use.
5. Recording music on the X8 with effects like reverb is easier and it is well laid out in the app. For amateurs like me, recording my original songs on the Tascam X8 is FAR easier than the Zoom H8. With the Zoom H8, often it would not start recording when I hit the record button twice, and it was hard to see on the touchscreen to monitor what was going on. On the X8, this has not been a problem. The entire record process for music using music app or recording without the app is streamlined and laid out far better with the Tascam X8. For people new to audio recording, this is extremely helpful.
6. The recording quality of the X8 appears to be at least equal to the H8. The Tascam X8 recordings of my original songs generally sound better than those I made on the Zoom H8. I am a skilled musician and songwriter and I CAN hear the difference. I am not sure why they sound better, but they do. Without effects, the difference is not world shaking, but with effects, it is night and day. The Tascam allows amateurs to easily add effects in the music app.
7. You can control every function of the X8 from an android phone remotely via the Bluetooth dongle. On the Zoom H8, you cannot control every function and their remote dongle only works with IOS (Apple) phones or tablets. The remote function on the H8 only lets you monitor the recordings and you cannot adjust the settings remotely. Every review of the Bluetooth remote control of the X8 has said it works very well with no delay.
8. I don't have a need to record in 192 kHz. Plus to do so would require expensive microphones. One professional reviewer mentioned that not many mics have the ability to record in that high sample rate range. I will take their word for it. Having said that, the 192 kHz feature is available on the X8, but the H8 does not have this feature at all.
9. The cost is fairly equal. The X8 is about a $100.00 more.
Thanks for your thorough review - it was excellent.
I have two questions. Do you think there is a hearable difference between the Zoom F6 or other higher level recorder (from any manufacturer) and the Tascam X8 for music and song recording, when recorded at 44 kHz, 48 kHz and 96 kHz? If there would be a difference that is audible, what prosumer audio recorder would you recommend in the price range up to $2,000.00?
Thanks,
Frank Long
Thanks for sharing, Frank. I haven't found sample rates to make a big difference unless you are doing sound design work and plan to slow the sound down for sound effects. However, the 32-bit float can make a practical difference if you happen to set your gain incorrectly. So the difference between the Zoom F6 and the X8 is largely going to be dynamic range in 32-bit float mode. If you're recording REALLY loud music and you have a high quality microphone which can handle high SPLs (e.g., >130dB SPL) then the 32-bit float on the F6 is going to be a safer bet. But if you set your gain appropriately, you can make fine recordings with the X8.
@@curtisjudd Thanks, your advice is very helpful. I feel a little bit like I am in a dark room and I am trying to "feel" my way through to the light when it comes to sound recording. There is a big learning curve to understanding both audio and video recording.
feels like its in a weird spot with the F6 a little above with better pre amps, more xlr inputs ect and the F3 below if you just need 2 channels of 32bit float
but I don't see what tascam could do here.
I'd suggest they find a way to make better preamps for this unit with wider dynamic range. That'd make it a lot more compelling.
Just got the X8 and really enjoying it thus far. Coming from a mixpre 6-ii, the large touchscreen and easy to navigate UI is a godsend. As Curtis points out, the flexibility/versatility is probably what is the best thing about the X8.
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Does it sound as good as mixpre though there preamps are amazing
I really wish that ZOOM could release the new H6n with 32bit/192khz in the same form factor as current H6
Well, they may have more motivation to do that now. 😀
great video thanks! I've just bought the X8 and have a shoot coming up where they plan to use Tentacle Sync and send me audio timecode to sync up later in post. How do I mute the timecode monitor channel so I don't have it coming through the headphones?
Bought a Tascam Portacapture X8 on the strength of this clear and comprehensive review! Thanks, Curtis.
Happy recording!
Nice review thanks. I'm torn between the X8 and the Zoom F6 for recording rehearsals of classical music ensembles. 32 bit float is going to be a life saver so I'm sure either will be a big upgrade on a zoom h1!
I’d opt for the F6.
Hi Curtis, great review! (as always). I’m in the same situation - recording classical music (classical guitar specifically); is your preference for the Zoom F6 due to the quality of the preamps? Many Thanks.
There are many reasons why yours is an excellent review but let me comment on one aspect. The lighting and product presentation is the best in the business. The colorful background, controlled depth of field combined with high res image and sharp focus make a very engaging video.
Thanks Allen.
Nice! I love it! I'm addicted to taking high quality audio samples of more than just speech. I really like this channel! Subscribed. Great video!
Thanks Luke and happy recording!
Hey! Do you know if it's possible to record different channels to one file with multiple tracks. Whenever I record i get every track as an individual file, which makes sorting everything a pain.
Does the Portacapture have Mix Minus for USB or phone inputs?
No, not that I saw in the menus. But for USB, most of the call or podcast services automatically take care of that these days.
Was that Irish music at the start Curtis? Great video as always!
Yes! Out on the Ocean.
Good job as usual. Seems to me that 32 bit is best as a single operator tool when you cannot mind the camera and and lighting and worry about things like Make up and what the talent is warning and the set and constantly monitor audio levels at the same time.
Yes, or when recording extremely dynamic sound effects.
Dear Curtis, may I ask why did you used -23 LUFS for this test? Is it because european standar or because the device? Why not -19 LUFS? Could you make deeper video about this X8, please? I bought it last month, but still configuring all features and how I could use them properly according to the situation. i really like this tascam. Thank u
Hi Herman. Good question. I normalized the audio to -23 LUFS because I could do that without applying a limiter or compressor or any other processing to the file to reach that loudness target. That just happens to be the same target used for TV broadcast in Europe.
Hi Curtis! Great video as always. Do I understand correctly at 13:54 that the Zoom F3 does have better pre-amps than this Tascam? (and therefore will get more out of the 32bit float with decent microphones). This Portacapture has a lot more features, the nice screen, the included mics etc, but I think I'd do with the bare bones F3. It's also cheaper, and if it does sound better I think that would make the F3 a no-brainer for me.
Hi Roger, no, I haven't tested the F3 yet, still waiting for my copy to arrive. However, if they use the same preamps as the F6, then yes, they'll surely have more dynamic range than the X8. I wouldn't say that they sound better, just to be precise.
@@curtisjudd fair enough, and thanks for the answer!
Wow! What a great review as always. Thanks so very much!!! :D
Thanks so much!
I can't wait until you do a review of the Zoom F3. Also the F8n Pro.
Both on preorder. 👍
Would you say that the TASCAM DR-701D's preamps are better than the X8's? And how do you rate the DR-701D preamps compared to the Zoom F6? I compared the quality of the DR-701D preamps to the Mixpre 3 and I have to say I like the DR-701D better. They sound warmer, more natural. The Mixpre 3 has a certain digital hardness in the sound. Or not?
Trust your ears. 👍 I don’t have a 701D on hand to do an A/B test.
Thanks for this review, Curtis. I wonder, is 32 bit float available if you record a podcast with 3 or 4 people? I ask, because I read somewhere, that 32 bit float is not available in the Podcast settings.
I've heard the same thing. I was wondering if recording in manual mode would be the solution for instead of the default "podcast" settings.
Plus I suppose Curtis would say it shouldn't be a sweat since its just talking heads that would be recorded.
I'm not positive as I didn't test this specific scenario. Probably best to contact TASCAM support to confirm.
Podcast recording app disappoints on this: It's 24bit 48khz recording exclusively.
Much worse...
If you have recording settings at 32bit float, and open up the podcast app, it bumps the device setup into 24b/48k, affecting all subsequent recording.
So you need to go back into the devices record settings and reset them after opening the podcast app.
Exploring the device after getting it...I was puzzled about how things kept getting reset. A thorough read of the manual told me the podcast app was exclusively 24b/48k, and examination showed it was undoing previous settings across all recording.
Thank you so much for the excellent review; I've been waiting for your take on this unit. The X8 looks really interesting for many use cases, but I'm left wishing Tascam put the R&D into different areas. Personally, I'd rather have something like a Zoom H5 (smaller, more physical controls) but with improved preamps and headphone amp rather than 32bit recording and a big screen with lots of presets. The X8 looks like it might be a super versatile and popular device after a few minor revisions to fix it's early issues, but I'm left wondering if a Centrance Mixerface (top of my budget :-) might be a better option for my uses. Or maybe Zoom will upgrade the H5 with improved preamps :-) hope springs eternal! Anyway, thank you again so much for your excellent channel and review.
Thanks Don. I think it largely depends on what you record. 32-bit float on the Tascam for spoken word recording is quite good.
My ideal recorder at this form factor would be the H6 but with locking xlr inputs, locking faders, better preamps, better headphone amp and a quieter stereo mic. That's a lot I know but competitors offer all of that. What I like about the H6 is actually it's interface. Easy to control faders on the fly. Easy to arm/solo any track in the click of a button. The essentials are right in front of you and don't require a screen and menu to navigate.
Your review is by far the best and most elaborated with detailed explanation. Now waiting for your Zoom F8n Pro review and workflow because i am gonna have one next month :D
I have the F8n on pre-order so hoping to do that review soon.
I am very glad I watched this video before purchasing. The 192khz 32 bit is not really necessary for what I do and the other pitfalls were really deal killers for me, and I went with the Zoom H8 instead for its capsules and versatility.
Happy recording!
You're great reviewer.... Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences... It's appreciated
My pleasure! Thanks!
well, at the rist of making these comments seem repetitive, thank you for the wonderful video Curtis! An amazing review of a pretty unique product!
Thanks Isaac.
Thank you for a great review! You mention other recorders you have tested with lower self noise than the X8. Can't stretch to Sound Devices prices right now but if you have any thoughts on low self noise portable field recorders that would be really appreciated. I am considering a Zoom F3 to replace my H4N.
The ZOOM F3 would be a fantastic choice overall and definitely with lower self-noise.
I wish Tascam would make an improved DR701D. That's what I want from a recorder. Everything the 701D has, but with 6-8 inputs, and the ability to run off a camera battery, and maaaybe 32-bit float though I don't see that as necessary.
Instead of trying to compete with Zoom in the handy recorder space, Tascam should stick to making recorders for film and video because that's what they're good at.
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Nice Video! Does Tascam plan to add more of the apps on the recorder? Or are the preinstalled the final ones? Any plans to try the AK-BT1 bluetooth remote control dongle too?
I don't know what Tascam plans to add. I am only borrowing this unit so I have not plans to add the bluetooth module.
what is the single file max record length? Is it limited length of time per recording session? We plan on using a 512 GB card with DC external power, but many of these units still limit the length of single recording files.
2 or 4GB if I remember right. Contact Tascam support to confirm (I no longer have this recorder)
Would love to see a comparison against the zoom fx3 when avail.
I'll definitely review the F3 once I receive my copy. We'll talk about how it compares to various other 32-bit float capable recorders.
You laughing about recent Zoom recorders with Micro-USB ports is really funny. I recently bought the Zoom H5 and that has a Mini-USB port. Like WTF, that really reminded me of the old PS3 days, holy shit.
Edit: Otherwise, it's a great recorder though, haha.
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Having a really hard time attempting to use the X8 as an interface with Audition (in multi track), no matter what settings on the computer or tascam, no audio is displayed when the track is armed and record is pressed.
Perhaps a video demonstrating exactly how to make it happen is useful since no one has one.
I'd like to do that, but I had this on loan for a month to make the review and I no longer have it.
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But that zoom h8 is so ugly especially all plugged In, cephalopod transformer toy, lol
I’m a studio engineer/writer/producer we do not offer mobile services we do enjoy our prepped rooms to much
And the Neumanns are afraid to leave the building
Looking to capture samples to build kontakt libraries and for experimental sound design
Protools, Studio One, Ableton and Logic
But it is interesting to hear a filmmakers take on the Tascam H8 I have 2 on the way, thanks for the info and kudos on
anything Neve we are running a 5088 since 2008👍🏼
Yes, love my Rupert Neve Designs Shellford Channel and also don't like to take the U87 out into nature. 😉
As of September 2022, one advantage being seen in the touchscreen interface is the ability to revise and enhance the feature set offered. In the last year it gained solo monitoring of inputs and channels, Bluetooth timecode support, and ability to store and retrieve configurations for input dynamics as well as three customized configurations created in the manual mode or other app modes. Supposedly other stability fixes were also made in the firmware, and on release it clearly needed some. But unlike devices whose operation is heavily defined by physical control elements, the touchscreen UI allowed them to push the device out and later revise and enhance its feature set. At first it wasn't clear how much they'd do that, and perhaps they're done now, but they probably don't have to finished as room for more improvements remain.
Thanks for the update.
@@curtisjuddReally appreciate your reviews, they're kinda the go-to trusted source for me and others..
So thought this might be best place to post update.
Not so related to the touchscreen interface, but it also gained the ability to serve a 32 bit interface to the computer...
And the price currently has a $100 (20%) discount from the $500 release price.
I'm suspecting that will stick, as it seems like where this quality level product should have been from the start... Just as your reaction to the initial price reflected.
My guess is they rushed it out unpolished at a high asking price to grab the opportunity. ...The launcher wheel in the UI always had those three empty spots that were begging for a future function, Now there are three user system configs that drop into those spots on the launcher.
Hey Curtis, have you used the tascam x8 as a windows 10 deskop audio interface? So far I am liking all the options and use cases the tascam x8 can do and compared to other recorders it seems to win out. But I need to be able to record 32bit float on my pc and monitor myself live via the tascam x8. I'd also like to be able to turn down the mic monitoring and desktop audio coming through the tascam x8 independently but I don't think that's a feature unfortunately. I will be using a rode nt1 as my microphone so hopefully the pre amps on the tascam x8 are good enough for that mic.
No, I’ve got a Mac. But I will say that the preamps are good enough for a RODE NT1.
Hi Curtis, I'm on the market for a new field recorder. Do you think this one would be the best? My Zoom H6 packed in and I'm having trouble getting it repaired. Super vid here as always. I kinda knew the build of this would be a bit plastic.
It’s ok. Battery life isn’t as good as the ZOOM recorders, build isn’t amazing. I’d actually choose the ZOOM F3 or F6 for my work.
Awesome. Now Tascam and Zoom are on the same pace 😍. I really like the design of TASCAM Portacapture X8. The UI is absolutely simple yet futuristic.
I do like the UI quite a bit more on the X8 vs. the ZOOM H8 and H6.
Which one has better preamps, the Tascam DR100 MKIII or the Portacapture X8?
I haven't worked with the DR-100mkIII so I'm not sure.
As usual a very nice thoroughly explained video.
But one question.
if I'm recording multi track. or doing live streaming.
can I send FX (like reverb) only to one specific channel?
channel 1 mic, channel 2 guitar, channel 3 bass
I only want to send it to the mic. is that possible?
I did not test this specifically, but I believe the answer is yes. In Manual mode, you can toggle reverb on in each channel menu. I would recommend you confirm with Tascam support to be certain.
I’m not buying any new hardware unless it has USB-C. Usb mini is ok but micro is a broken port waiting to happen.
Yes, though I've had some issues with USB-C as well, sadly.
I,m a acoustic musician,should i go for the tascam x8
or zoom f6.greetings from the Netherlands.
I'd personally opt for the F6.
Ah so you have to put the thing in stand buy mode then. Yes like the Olympus recorders. That always in stand buy mode thing confused Neal with the H6. Cause again he too was use to like this recorder does. You press record 1 time to go into stand buy wait to hear what you want then bam smash that record button again with a quickness to get the 3 seconds before and what not.
Yes, old-school.
I hate the tiny SD cards, so easy to drop in the field & hard to find. Also I've found them less reliable long term.
I hear you.
Interesting, I feel only 1 year for the warranty is a con. I would rather electronic manufactures stood by their product for 5 or 10 years. This means less #ewaste
That's a valid perspective, too.
Thank you for the review.. Now waiting for Zoom H6-II with 32 bit float, USB-C connection and faster bootup. For now, the Zoom H5 continues to be budget convenience king (along with F4 for more 'pro' work)
You're welcome. Happy recording!
Agree, I got the XLR-module for my H5. I can use it for lavs that do not require phantom power. With backup recording it will protect from clipping in most situations. The XLR inputs I use for boom mics. In a dialogue or interview setup it will give you three recordings of the same source, plenty to work with. The signal from the boom mic needs to be pretty hot, like Rode NTG5. Using the optional remote, removes handling noises. Adjusting gain is out with the remote but you can start, stop the recording and playback.
In addition, the H5 takes full size SD cards. microSDs are more fragile. Mini USBs are sturdier than micro, also a feature of H5. Why Zoom chose microUSB for H8 is beyond reason.
This recorder is overpriced and immature in terms of design and overall build quality. It should be recalled.
Thanks for sharing.
Mannn...damn shit intro at first, without mentioning the details put in this review that make everything for pros & cons. Buttt, some cons are not unique and can be in many recorders sir
Every recorder has pros and cons. 👍
Excellent review, thanks for the attention to detail.
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Very interesting video. Thanks. Will you be doing a review (and comparison) of the Zoom F3??
Yes, definitely planning to review the F3 once I get my copy.
Hey man could you send me the link for the stand you use for the tascam x8 by any chance? have a great say
You bet - It is in the description of this video: Sound Devices Pix-base stand
My choice: Sound Device MixPre-3 II. 😀
Mine too. Sadly, anybody who wants to buy one in early 2022 is out of luck as they're not available.
@@curtisjudd, yes, indeed.
had it and prefer the x8 over it tbh
@@patentjohntran1283 What did you like about X8?
@@spritual_enlightenment compared to the mixpre series?
1). Love the large touch screen,
2). Easy, clean and intuituve to navigate UI. I barely needed the manual to understand how to use it right off the bat. Due to small screen, the mixpre settings and UI is buried in multiple layers of screens and button pressing to access,
3). Really enjoy the built in effects (i.e compressor, reverb etc...). Especially impromptu music recordings, just record on the X8 music preset with compressor and little reverb with built-in mic, and you can get some amazing recordings
4). Mixpre preamps are better but to get 32bit and this many channels, ur looking at $1k for the comparable mixpre-6ii. X8 may be less 'pro' but it is more versatile and $500 cheaper for a comparable sound.
5). Looks are subjective, but i just think the X8 is a great looking device versus the mixpre and zoom offerings
6). This is a flagship portable sound recorder product for Tascam so I believe they will fix some of the early issues with future updates
7). Curtis didn't cover it. but the Bluetooth functionality is pretty darn good (I'm on Android). It's so convenient and opens up alot of different new use cases.
Cons (what i don't like about the X8 after a month of use):
1). Need a way to completely turn off the display during recording if u want,
2). The way channel 1 & 2 is mapped is weird so it makes using the X8 as dedicated audio device for ur computer unusable. This should be an easy software update fix i think tho
3). no time code
4). due to form factor, it's not able to be used in a traditional sound bag like the mixpre series. This is not really a con for me but I know most pros in the field, this would be a big deal breaker for them
5). Small complaint, but it should have come with a windscreen
6). Wish it had a lithium rechargeable internal battery but to keep it at $500, they had to cut somewhere I guess
Thanks for another great review, Mr Judd.
Thanks Nik.
thank you very much fo your excellent presentation.. i dont buy it. bad pink color
LOL ok.
Great review and demo but I think I'll stick with my Zoom H6, F8N and H3VR. I also use a Tascam 680 & 680 mk2, a DR-60D mkII, a DR-70D and a HDP2 so am familiar with both Zoom and Teac-Tascam units and have found both positives and negatives over time with both companies products. Lately I have found that the Zoom products seem just slightly better for my needs but I respect and use devices from both. Your reviews have helped me come to purchase decisions and kept me informed of the new products as they come available.
Thanks Chris. Happy recording!
I just bought the zoom H6. its ooooooold tech and very limiting as a multitrack, returning it asap, unfortunately. nice as a simple mic though.
How can you have a higher dynamic range than 32bit?
Better preamps on better devices. And also better microphones.
I returned this thing. its just... not THAT great. its pretty good though. not worth half a grand to me.
That's fair. It is definitely aimed at a particular market and not everyone.
funny I have the opposite reaction. I had the mixpre-6ii and sold it after liking the X8. Is the Mixpre 6-ii a "better" sound recorder overall, probably but is it $500 better? Heck no. I bet if people compared recordings made by both, u wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
I've been waiting/hoping you would do a review of this as there are not that many quality reviews out there for this recorder. I've been seriously considering getting this unit since it was announced but there seemed to be a a lot of minor bugs with it and I couldn't decide between this and the Sony PCM-D10. The Sony interface isn't as fancy as the Tascam but Sonys just seem to work. Thanks for the review.
You're welcome and happy recording to you!
Very detailed review - nice work Curtis!
Thanks David.
I bought the WS11. But to be honest. The BUBBLE BEE is far better
Thanks for sharing. Better in what way?
Hi Curtis...thanks for your unbiased videos. You channel is real gold.
If I may ask you. Does the 32bit float allow more agreesive post processing? I am wondering if I could think about it like recording 12 bit raw video which handle way more editing that other compressed format?? Thanks
Potentially, yes. You end up with potentially more dynamic range.
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its $399 now so im torn between this and the f3 im a wedding videographer
I’d choose the F3, personally.
Thank you for mentioning the hum above 20kHz in the higher sample rate recordings. I was so excited about this recorder but going off the reviews it's just got too many issues to make me confident in buying it.
Yes, I wouldn't have noticed it since I do not usually record at 192kHz so we have to credit several audiophiles for pointing that out. I'm not sure why hum above 20kHz is a practical concern, but thought it should be mentioned.
@@curtisjudd the concern is more for sound design purposes. When you record in the ultrasonic range you need to re-pitch those sounds to bring them into the human hearing range. So the hum on the X8 at 25kHz (even dropped by one octave) would become about 12.5kHz, well within human hearing.
@@WilliamMorrisMusic fair point and I stand - happily - corrected. Thank you.
@@curtisjudd you're very welcome good sir. It is probably one of the more niche uses for the recorder, for a lot of users it won't be an issue at all.
What’s the cleanest and the quietest portable recorder you ever heard.
I'll answer that but please understand that there are more important considerations. The Sound Devices 888 (Scorpio and 833 in the same series) have an EIN spec of -129dBu. But the thing most likely to introduce self noise into your audio signal chain is the microphone. So if "cleanliness" is at the top of your list, you need to look carefully for the right microphone as well.
Thank you for this review!!
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I am curious, you comment that something like a Zoom F6 or Sound Devices recorder would have more "dynamic range" in recording. I don't think I understand your use of dynamic range because it applies to audio recording. In music, it would mean that a speaker or audio device would more fully cover the actual sound range of the original live recording. For example, if an orchestra was being recorded, the audio device with more dynamic range would capture the higher flute and woodwind sections and the bass drums and tuba low-end sounds more completely. The audio device would capture more "instruments" more clearly in this scenario and thus would have a "wider dynamic range." Is this the same definition for audio recorders that you are using? Will a $2000.00 Sound Devices recorder capture more "dynamic range" (capture more instruments in the orchestra) of musical instruments and vocals than the Tascam X8? I am trying to learn the vernacular of audio recorders.
Hi Frank, dynamic range in this case refers to loudness, not musical notes or frequencies. A recorder with a lot of dynamic range can capture the quietest to the loudest sounds such as thunder to the soft sound of light rain falling on grass.
@@curtisjudd Thanks
Is there such a thing as a protective cover for it, for when it's in use. I've read several comments of people who have dropped it and damaged it and the spare parts are expensive.
I'm curious why the call the second mic configuration AB, the right name is actually ORTF or NOS as to me.
ORTF actually requires the microphones be spaced farther apart.
@@curtisjudd I see.
The reverb on the Tascam is still #1
Nice for musicians.
@@curtisjudd Very nice - plus 2 condenser microphones - set apart to create a stereo delay - very amazing
Funny - there is always a higher level and cleaner preamps - however can your ears ear the deference as we are all losing our hearing?
True, they're getting better. The biggest improvement seems to be less self-noise.
Funny - maybe it is better to record at 24 bit and use the clean preamp - inside the Tascam -
For dialogue, that would be my approach.
That is the type of video when you have 0 info about a product, after you watching it, you do informed decision. Thank you. I have 2 questions tho. Will describe my scenario then at the end will ask.
I have to record a podcast with 4 people. Will be using one set of rode wireless go 2 and one DJI wireless mic.
Since there will be multiple tracks, when I will sync them, I am sure that will get that "phasing", "echoing" effect a lot. Have to turn off all fhe tracks in post except the one speaking in order to ger crispy audio.
I will be using only 2 inputs on recorder, every input will have a track from 2 mics.
Question 1: can the recorder make a track baking all together both tracks.
Question 2: is the recorder going to mix it down without that "echoing, phasing, bleeding sound" from other mics?
I am trying to save time in post production. So I don't have to cut individualy tracks.
Thank you a lot. Have a productive week.
1) You'll need an input for each mic if you want to treat each mic independently in post. In other words, you'll need 3.5mm to dual XLR adapter for each wireless receiver.
2) No, if they're out of phase, the recorder won't fix that for you. If there is a phase invert (I can't remember whether this has that feature per input), then you might be able to reduce the effect a touch. The biggest thing you can do is space people away from each other to reduce that effect.
How is the built in reverb - does the Zoom recorders have a reverb built in?
Since I'm not a musician, I didn't really test the reverb.
Hello, Great Video. I am having trouble connecting my Tascam Portacapture x8 to Gopro Hero12. How do you connect them?
I would sync the audio to the GoPro video clips in post. But you should be able to use a 3.5mm stereo mini jack cable assuming the Hero has a 3.5mm mic input?
Thanks for the reply. I have tried but the sound quality is really bad and crackly with 3.5 jack.
What would be your suggested software to sync them?
@@echochillASMR I use DaVinci Resolve and Final Cut Pro.
Oh yeah this has apps like the Zoom H8 does. Ahahahahahahahaha, that's kinda funny it has an ASMR app. You do know what ASMR is right?
Tingly feelings that some people experience with close-mic'd sound. It doesn't work for me, but it does for some people. Seems like a good way to relax if it works for you.
@@curtisjudd Yep. My friend Katie did a video on a soup and she was telling you how to make it but in that ASMR way. The Lady is her channal. I can't remember what the soup was but meh you'll see it. She even put the fact that it's ASMR in the title. It just seemed kinda funny someone telling you how to cook something in ASMR. Ah that Katie.
Do they sell the included mics separately??
Not that I know of but their tech support should be able to confirm.
Man, i was thinking of getting one to finally update my DR-44, but the battery and more podcast oriented arent what i need for field and film recording... guess ill just need to save up for that zoom h8 even tho it looks bulky, but the screen i feel is much nicer
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I was looking to upgrade from my H4N Pro and I love the user interface of the X8 but the preamps seem no better for double the money so it's looking like the F6.
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Sad to see a Huge, Well Respected Audio Company... State their ( 32 Bit Float Recorder ) as Wide Dynamic Range Recording capabilities, when it can't even handle the full Dynamic Range of my $200 Sennheiser MKE400 II with 116 dB Dynamic Range Shotgun Mic.
Tascam Portacapture X8 can only Handle 112 dB of Dynamic Range in any given situation. ( Sadly that's even Lower Dynamic Range than some even 24 bit recorders out here can achieve)
Zoom F6 Dynamic Range is 132 dB
Sound Devices Mix Pre ii Series can handle 142 dB Dynamic Range!
Where is the Missing High Dynamic Range for 32 Bit Workflow?
And as i speculated before..... their Downfall in the Dynamic Range handing takes a hit in their Worse Noise Floor Performance.
If you truly want set and forget, run and gun Audio without Clipping consider Zoom F6 or Sound Devices mix pre 32 bit float recorders.
I agree. The mixing dynamic range is most likely in the analogue preamplifier design.
Very much appreciate you taking a look at this. Some of your comments make me think that they only used a single A/D converter instead of using 2 to get a wider dynamic range. Of course, with previous Tascam recorders, the safety track option extends the dynamic range by 12dB, which can be handy in situations where this is needed. Personally, I'm most disappointed by the battery life. If you got about 4 hours with lithium batteries, that would suggest NiMH batteries would only get about 2 to 2.5 hours. This makes it a no-go for me, as I tend to use these types of recorders out in nature to get ambient recordings. My money would be better spent on a set of dedicated stereo mics to go with either my Tascam DR-44wl or DR-680mkII. (Something I have been considering, although not as convenient. Handling noise is another area of disappointment, especially since these devices are supposedly made to be held while recording.
Indeed exactly as i am thinking. Their stated Dynamic Range is only 112 dB ( Left completely out of public view for specifications and had to get through email contact with the engineering department )
For Reference these two other 32 Bit Float Recorders Zoom F6 has 132 dB Dynamic Range
Sound Devices Mix Pre 3 ii Series Dynamic Range is 142 dB.
So at 20 dB Dynamic Range Headroom Missing compared to a Zoom F6 and 30 dB ! vs Sound Devices Mix Pre ii... That's a whole LOT of missing Headroom!
So where and how did Tascam Engineers Fail at this and huge amount of missing Dynamic Range especially for 32Bit Float
@@BushMasterThermal likely in the analogue preamps.
Thanks Alan. The safety track recording feature increases headroom but not overall dynamic range. I believe that they used multiple converters per input, but the relatively lower dynamic range of this device vs. the Sound Devices MixPre II series is likely due to poorer quality analogue preamplifiers.
@@curtisjudd It's possible I misunderstood your comments regarding the dynamic range available, so I guess I'll watch for a comparison between this and another Tascam device to see if there's any advantage here in that regard. Regarding combining tracks to increase dynamic range, this requires special post processing and setting levels to put the louder portions of the track into the safety track (thus reducing the headroom normally reserved as a safety), but it can be done.
@@alantuttphotography Yes, understood. Note that with the safety track recording, it is potentially a bit of a compromise because on the track recorded at -12dB, the noise floor is potentially closer to the sound source, or at best, the noise floor is different and so the job of blending that can be somewhat complex. It really depends on how they implement the safety track recording feature. If they're just using a pad, it may not sound the same as if they actually used a second preamplifier with 12 dB less gain applied (like on the ZOOM F series recorders).
Is the quality as good as mixpre ii
No.