Unfortunately, the NHS, government and police are 'not' learning from their mistakes, the public paying the price for their mistakes over and over and over again. And the media, just as bad. I noticed that after the Leicester Square stabbings yesterday, I couldn't find any comment about it on UA-cam by the BBC. They probably didn't know how they could defend their corner, especially coming so soon after helping Starmer label all protesters as rioters and extreme right wing (which they are not). Every violent incident must be a huge embarrassment for the BBC, because they have to work so hard at dismissing it as quickly as possible with short articles, shallow words, and a meaningless speech by this control freak of a PM.
It’s really evil how the government has stripped our public services down to the bone. Our mental health services are failing, time and time again this happens. Mental illness isn’t a choice. You don’t wake up one day and decide "oh I’m going to choose to become a paranoid schizophrenic today or how about a dose of psychosis for dinner ". Yes some people are just evil and hurt others for pleasure but not every case of murder is that simple. This guy shouldn’t have been allowed to roam the streets when he was a risk to others. My neighbour (white guy in his 50s) is usually a very quiet and polite man. He is a paranoid schizophrenic and has his rituals he needs to do to feel safe in his home.l( locking the door 3 times or circling the building a few times before entering etc) One time he came into our garden with a knife and threatened the new neighbours because they’re foreigners (lovely Turkish family). He’d never done anything of the sort before. It took the police 2 days to respond to my 999 call. Their reason was because he no longer posed a threat after having retreated inside. It turns out his medication needed tweaking. Social services got involved and he’s never done anything like it since. This was years ago. Our mental health services and adult social care has greatly deteriorated since then.
He shouldn't have been in the Country in the first place and second blame the 3 letter agencies for their social engineering programs destroying local towns and communities.
So what’s the excuse for the mad white people or English people that walk around the country and hurt people where should they be the ones that are born here where should they be
Give over this can happen to anybody! It happened to my neighbour who is an older white British guy. Fortunately his mental state wasn’t as deteriorated as this guys and nobody was killed but he threatened to stab the foreigners next door when they were simply sitting in their garden with their 2 young children. It took the police 2 days to respond to my emergency call. 2 fkn days. That’s the problem with this country. Appalling public services like social care, NHS, policing and our soft touch judicial system. All due to constant budget cuts in the name of austerity.
@@AramasG agree - the 1980’s / 90’s move away from institutional care to a “care in the community” approach only works if the resources and services actually exist in the community to monitor and care for the extremely mentally unwell. It’s shown time and time again that services are underfunded and overstretched. There could be an argument to be made though that it is exactly because of this that we cannot add more strain by loose illegal immigration policies
My heart goes out to this mum. Shame on our government police ans mainstream media including the sun for not supporting the British people and allowing this to happen again again
This is appaling. Too many professional errors , insufficient MH resources. This could have been prevented. He was only ever sectioned under Section 2 of the MH act. Yet had a known mental disorder. He was also discharged to care of his GP in 2020 ,!!!! WTAF seriously . . He had a serious mental disorder and was not compliant with medication.
@@Tens8athis has nothing to docwithblack of fund - a dangerous person released has nothing to do with lack of funds...this person was is dangerous with or without lack of funds.
@@amongsamsung9656 You have no idea what you're talking about. So many services have subpar care because they have to make the cuts wherever they can. This case is a result of the greater issue.
You left because you didn't enjoy supporting people. Those still doing the job are still trying to make a difference. Mental health needs a reform, and financial boost. Without key professionals there can be no difference. Support the mental health services, dont trash it. Anyone can be affected with their mental health. You should know that.
@@Tens8a , Who the hell do you think you are to attack to this person and make such statements?!. You might THINK you know them and their situation... YOU DON'T!. So STFU scroll BY and mind your own damn business already!!. People like you attacking others for their choices are what's WRONG in this world!!!.... SICKENING!!!
Thank you for caring enough to not only work in the mental health services but to care enough and be principled enough to leave when you could see the many failings. That takes courage and conviction.
Such a brave and strong lady. My heart feels pain for her. May her son and the other innocent ones who had their lives taken so cruelly, Rest in peace 🕊️
Starmer . And these so called politicians should all be held accountable accountable my once beautiful country England 🏴 is dying quickly .. we need mp's with balls to save my country 😢
CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITIES OF KNIFE CRIMES . CALL THE GOVERNMENT TO IMPLEMENT ACCOUNTABILITIES .. FOR THE SAFEDY OF THE ALL THE PEOPLE . THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY CAN MOVE QUICKLY WHEN THEY WANT TO !??! Condolences & much love to Families that have lost these beautiful intelligent young people. So sad ❤xxxx
"Starmer"? He just started two weeks ago. *TORIES HAD FOURTEEN LONG YEARS* of stripping and selling off the NHS services bits by bits to their cronies. They created bogus business management positions to siphon off money for their rich stake holders, even when the frontline staff kept saying they needed more staff and less business managers. Now people have the unmitigated gall to blame the NHS. Disingenuous hypocrites.
"Starmer"? He just started two weeks ago. *TORIES HAD FOURTEEN LONG YEARS* of stripping and selling off the NHS services bits by bits to their cronies. They created bogus business management positions to siphon off money for their rich stake holders, even when the frontline staff kept saying they needed more staff and less business managers. Now people have the unmitigated gall to blame the NHS. Disingenuous hypocrites.
"Starmer"? He just started two weeks ago. *TORIES HAD FOURTEEN LONG YEARS* of stripping and selling off the NHS services bits by bits to their cronies. They created bogus business management positions to siphon off money for their rich stake holders, even when the frontline staff kept saying they needed more staff and less business managers. Now people have the unmitigated gall to blame the NHS. Disingenuous hypocrites.
Why point at Starmer? He only just got the job! Maggie closed all the Secure Units. Tory cuts in the NHS led to this. Even as DPP he only got to be involved in these cases once the system had failed. Other than that. YES.
@@anwaralisayed9767 the nurse where multiple sources are now coming out with concerns that she was railroaded with dodgy statistical evidence? Yet another example where someone has to be sacrificed on the altar to the holy NHS (pbui)?
Emma Webber, is incredibly articulate after such a horrendous experience. You are absolutely right we need care over violent criminals who have mental health issues. People cannot be relied on to take their own medication and this case highlights the problem with that premise. You are a true warrior Emma and I am so sorry for your loss. The transformation you are showing from your pain to healing a bro˚en system is incredible and our system is bro˚en. Some people just need to be overseen otherwise these devastating actions will continue. The old mental health systems ˚new and understood the damage mentally ill people could do to others. We must protect the innocent and guard those who are out of control.
I’m suffering with psychotic symptoms it took me 1 year to see a consultant psychiatrist only because my wife officially complained to my GP who then made a complaint to the mental health department who then listened to me , now I’m on a treatment plan but still find appointments and reviews a long time to come
You’re actively experiencing psychosis and your GP *for a year* was basically like, “nope, don’t worry, it’ll just go away on its own in a day or two like the sniffles….” ???!?!!!?!!!! 😑😐😯💬😶 I just … *cannot* even with this. I am so incredibly sorry that you and your family have already been left SO helpless in managing and appropriately treating this and I sincerely hope that you are able to finally get the proper medical care that you need and deserve very soon!!!!!!
Listened to this on the radio this morning on the way to work. The fact that a professional actually said they think he may kill someone, is shocking 💀
Eloquent, truthful, broken hearted and determined. My heart goes out to you and all those who have suffered through this avoidable tragedy. All the “lessons will be learnt” have led us to now. Culpable failure from those we pay to be the guardians of our safety, I include those who are not in their right minds here. I’ve seen it close hand. What an utter disgrace. Unfit for purpose.
Let’s get to the root of this problem. What have all these perpetrators got in common? Are they indigenous Brits? Meanwhile our southern border remains a free for all. And we are told diversity is our strength. Tell that to this mother.
You're an idiot if you believe that. My uncle has a young white lady living above him who abuses passers by from her window. One day while he was in his garden she leaned out of her window with a bow and arrow and aimed it at him lucky for him he was able to move out of the way quickly. She has been taken into custody and hospital so many times only to return. There was a high profile case of a white woman some years ago who before she stabbed and attacked one other person on the street entered a doctor's surgery asking for help. She actually told them she was going to kill but they did nothing. I worked on a mental health hospital ward once when I was much younger. The evening my agency sent me to work there one of the patients, a white male, came into the kitchen where I was cleaning and started talking to me then he started punching the air and doing karate kicks. One of the nurses came into the kitchen and ordered him out. Once he'd left she warned me against him as he had convictions for rape. She told me to keep the door locked always. Everyone on that ward was white, there wasn't one black person.
Well done to Barnaby Webber's mother. Full respect to her to be so determined to improve the failing NHS Mental Health care in our country after all she and her family have gone through. She is so right in what she says and talks with great positivity and eloquence. I pray that the right people and the appropriate authorities take notice of what she says.
I’ll be brutally honest. It may be gruesome on their workplace but YOUR SON has LOST HIS LIFE. It’s the most precious gift every single one of us has and therefore those in medical field who had been neglectful and indirectly caused your son’s loss of life as a result should be held accountable .
What angers me is that he was allowed to live in the community unsupervised. He should have been carefully monitored and had assisted living 24/7. He was never going to be safe to be on his own. Heads should roll for this. 😢🙏. RIP Barnaby, Grace and Ian. I'm so sorry this happened to you. ❤
@@lesleysmith8300 we can thank the “care in the community” policies in the 1980’s and the mass closing down of old institutions for some of these problems
This is such an ill-considered comment. You have no idea what parents go through when their child has a mental health problem. Could you physically restrain a mentally deteriorating child? Yes get help, but the crisis team may not even come out, they’ll speak to your child at home and then tell you that their symptoms are not sufficient enough to warrant admission . Parents of the victims have been seriously failed and deserve the full support of government and their communities, parents of the perpetrators have also been let down and though their child is still alive have to live with guilt, fear , regret,shame. Do think before making a throw away comment.
They have public enquiries and at the end of the enquiry they say lessons will be learned but are they? Because it happens again and again So sorry for the families and rip to the victims 😢
What a surprise, the blame game. Can't blame the knifeman, lets blame the services who have their hands tied and are collapsing with workloads brought on by?
Well blaming the people who were responsible for and under the explicit instruction and obligation to keep the public safe from this individual *seems* like a pretty straightforward and, really, the only reasonable response. How difficult is it to understand the doctor specifically stating in very simple words THAT THIS MAN IS AT RISK OF KILLING PEOPLE (if released out into the public)????? And their hands were in no way tied, in fact, the exact opposite. Why are you so eager to in some way so sympathetically excuse and reverentially protect those in authority in the system who are to blame and directly responsible for this catastrophic failure and general overall negligence in their basic duty of care in those very positions and offices of authority?
@@lovelyjanuary So what did the doctor do when he said this man is at risk of killing and if he was such a risk why let him out, of course he would not have let him out if his hands were not tied and that was his only option and why are his hands tied due to the sheer amount of people and lack of funds/manpower/hospital beds..To think otherwise shows your lack of critical thinking skills... I know plenty of people with mental health problems and none are violent killers. We brought this on ourselves with a welcome all mentality and our NHS is at a breaking point but keep on bringing them in I am sure it will be fine.
@@geoffduke1763 it’s so interesting that you conveniently forget that they also DIDN’T have to lie about the prescription medication he was actually (supposed to be) taking and conveniently manipulative in using the specific language to describe his “prescription resistance” with regard to the fact that it was really just simply his outright refusal and attempts to hide the fact that he wasn’t actually taking the medication that’s 100% adequately appropriate AND SUCCESSFUL at treating his paranoid schizophrenia, and then going further by intentionally misleading everyone who read the official report that he actually NEEDED to be placed into one of the ONLY three facilities (yes, as you said very underfunded as the entire system is, and with appallingly scarce beds, if not outright already operating at overcapacity which it obviously likely was) that are allowed to store and dispense certain highly controlled medications, one of which they CLAIMED he was *required* to be prescribed to because of the so-called “treatment resistance”, as it is one that is usually required in cases where other first line medications have failed to literally treat the symptoms and overall condition (in this case schizophrenia) which the patient has been diagnosed with and needs appropriate treatment for, especially in cases EXACTLY like this, where the safe release and elimination of immediate lethal threat to the community has to have been effectively eliminated based on the successful effects of that medication (as well as other interventions that the psychiatrist is also mostly responsible for managing and administering) for them to be able to do that. So, the point is: he was at the underfunded, inadequately resourced and over stretched, less secure and obviously inappropriate mental health facility (as opposed to another facility that might be able to provide the adequate security and supervision that a violent offender currently experiencing psychosis due to his refusal to take the appropriate and proven successful medication he is prescribed to treat his paranoid schizophrenia), literally as a direct result of the intentionally misleading and outright lying of the medical professionals (and others in authority involved then subsequently) who APPARENTLY we’re supposed to feel sorry for because “their hands were tied”. Well whose literal exact fault is that??????? If we’re going to believe that their hands were actually tied at that point at all anyway 😵💫🤷🏻♀️
NHS has fallen… I went to the hospital due to a work accident and the lady on the desk was very rude I could tell she was a sad person but what more shocked me was the fact that the doctor didn’t know how to print a discharge letter or use the equipment
Our perfect nhs, the most wonderful thing in the world. We should defend at all costs.... no! 99% great, caring people, but the institution is dreadful. No accountability and failing everywhere you look.
She is a nice lovely lady and that is the problem in Britain today. She's also a utopiaist and I feel sad for her as she lives in a different world. Sadly there are millions like her who thinks the current systems will fix things and will still vote for the same thing, so until the next time 😢
A schizophrenic choosing not to take drugs is incredibly common due to paranoia, doesn’t mean he’s responsible, schizophrenia and autism are serious disorders that get ignored by the general public. Then these things happen.
Hmm, autism..be careful there. Its not the autism itself, it's when autistic people experience poor mental health, the coping strategies are less resilient for many.
Or maybe he was born in the UK, and you're now dealing with the fallout of 14yrs of Tories selling off NHS services to their elite cronies. The ones who constantly ignored the dire need for frontline staff, but instead, fill the NHS with useless business managers to make money for the stakeholders.
All politicians since Blair came to power are responsible for this. Labour, Tories, SNP. Their softly, softly approach, police indifference, failure by the NHS - all leading to this massive increase in incidents throughout this century. The Government and media collaborate to move on as quickly as possible from incidents, hoping they are buried by other news - and you have to wonder why? Why is public safety so minor a priority for politicians and the majority players in the media.
I work for the health service and I have done that type of work and I always said to myself these people should not be left out and they keep saying Well is fine or she’s fine whatever no answer in my life and my experience is not to let them out anything all is alright now and he’s on tablets if you know they are not safe and that’s one thing that helps your service should learn not to let these people out it’s so dangerous you don’t know are their minds are working and what the suffering with so therefore you don’t let them out as simple as that they won’t have this problemI heart aches for these people who got killed in Nottingham for no reason I cried when I heard this about this and I said to my husband Jean to let him out there now he’s got mental issues and his skips a funny one recorded a couple of that word and it broke my heart was no need for this always seems to be the person who’s done it on the side more than the people I’ve got cute thank you I’m so sorry
The family are blaming the NHS but if one of my children had an illness I would be in my car and there for them. I would take them back home and make sure that they got the care they required mentally or physically. He was in Nottingham and they stayed in wales getting phones calls knowing he was hearing voices. I call that someone who is washing their hands of them and leaving them for the state to deal with . As a mother she should have taken full resposibliity from the first day he broke into the neighbours house or the first phone calls received .You cannot sit back and leave it to the NHS they are your child no matter how old they are. Where was the parental responsiblity. Harsh but true
Why you people always love to point their fingers on everyone? Do you know these parents? Have you been there with them when tragedy happened? How can you blame them. This tragedy not only affected the families of the victims but the family of the guilty guy. Have some compassion like Jesus was teaching. Seriously judgmental people like you are the worst
White British are being treated badly.. They allowed people to come into the country with open.arma but some ethnicity that come in arw not appreciative of the country n the British people
I’m sorry but what do you expect when there is zero accountability in the law against government worker NHS negligence? Don’t complain when you choose the cheapest quality healthcare system. Oh I’m sorry, I just watched BBC so I mean “the best system in the world” and “at least we are t like the Americans paying $20k for a broken leg”. Yeh, right.
He should be in prison for murder. It's disgusting that it is now coming out that it was withheld that he refused to take his medication and not that he had 'treatment resistant' schizophrenia. And part of why he couldbt go into prison was because he needed this specific treatment not available in prisons and then he's only taking his original medication
Refusal of medications is a very common part of the symptoms of the diagnosis, slow coach. They *LACK MENTAL CAPACITY* and part of their disorder is altered reality, hallucinations, thought disorders, which means they view medications as poisonous. They *CAN'T* help it. Professionals know that. Meanwhile, your beloved nation treats its most vulnerable with disdain. Tories were in charge for *FOURTEEN YEARS,*and they stripped off the NHS services to be sold off to their cronies. Instead of listening to the demands of the qualified workers who requested the dire need for frontline staff, they chocked the NHS full of useless business managers whose jobs were to make savings for share holders. Now you're dealing with the fallout.
Refusal of medications is a very common part of the symptoms of the diagnosis, slow coach. They *LACK MENTAL CAPACITY* and part of their disorder is altered reality, hallucinations, thought disorders, which means they view medications as poisonous. They *CAN'T* help it. Professionals know that. Meanwhile, your beloved nation treats its most vulnerable with disdain. Tories were in charge for *FOURTEEN YEARS,*and they stripped off the NHS services to be sold off to their cronies. Instead of listening to the demands of the qualified workers who requested the dire need for frontline staff, they chocked the NHS full of useless business managers whose jobs were to make savings for share holders. Now you're dealing with the fallout.
Refusal of medications is a very common part of the symptoms of the diagnosis, slow coach. They *LACK MENTAL CAPACITY* and part of their disorder is altered reality, hallucinations, thought disorders, which means they view medications as poisonous. They *CAN'T* help it. Professionals know that. Meanwhile, your beloved nation treats its most vulnerable with disdain. Tories were in charge for *FOURTEEN YEARS,*and they stripped off the NHS services to be sold off to their cronies. Instead of listening to the demands of the qualified workers who requested the dire need for frontline staff, they chocked the NHS full of useless business managers whose jobs were to make savings for share holders. Now you're dealing with the fallout.
There are political reasons why this tragedy happened. Even though they weren’t yet in power when the tragedy occurred, it is everything to do with the current administration.
CQC investigated and found some many mistakes and missed opportunities by the NHS. The NHS did risk assessments EIGHT times and failed to act on how dangerous he could potentially be. And then they discharged him with no care plan or anything even though he had shown violent tendencies. They did get it very wrong and the professionals who decided these things do need to take accountability.
@@lha816You're now dealing with the fallout of 14yrs of Tories selling off NHS services to their elite cronies. The ones who constantly ignored the dire need for frontline staff, but instead, fill the NHS with useless business managers to make money for the stakeholders.
You're now dealing with the fallout of 14yrs of Tories selling off NHS services to their elite cronies. The ones who constantly ignored the dire need for frontline staff, but instead, fill the NHS with useless business managers to make money for the stakeholders.
Perhaps read the report about this . The NHS are at fault here . Lack of MH resources and poor professional decisions made, also information Information omitted from risk assessment. As someone who works in the social care sector I find it appalling actually.
NHS, government and police learn lessons when they get it wrong while the rest of us get charged when we make a mistake
Unfortunately, the NHS, government and police are 'not' learning from their mistakes, the public paying the price for their mistakes over and over and over again.
And the media, just as bad.
I noticed that after the Leicester Square stabbings yesterday, I couldn't find any comment about it on UA-cam by the BBC.
They probably didn't know how they could defend their corner, especially coming so soon after helping Starmer label all protesters as rioters and extreme right wing (which they are not).
Every violent incident must be a huge embarrassment for the BBC, because they have to work so hard at dismissing it as quickly as possible with short articles, shallow words, and a meaningless speech by this control freak of a PM.
Init always learning Lessons!
It truly is evil how the British people are being treated 😕
it is truly evil how British people are treating each other
@@LisaTh-3-d true , fast to road rage quickly and make assumptions
It’s really evil how the government has stripped our public services down to the bone. Our mental health services are failing, time and time again this happens. Mental illness isn’t a choice. You don’t wake up one day and decide "oh I’m going to choose to become a paranoid schizophrenic today or how about a dose of psychosis for dinner ". Yes some people are just evil and hurt others for pleasure but not every case of murder is that simple. This guy shouldn’t have been allowed to roam the streets when he was a risk to others.
My neighbour (white guy in his 50s) is usually a very quiet and polite man. He is a paranoid schizophrenic and has his rituals he needs to do to feel safe in his home.l( locking the door 3 times or circling the building a few times before entering etc) One time he came into our garden with a knife and threatened the new neighbours because they’re foreigners (lovely Turkish family). He’d never done anything of the sort before. It took the police 2 days to respond to my 999 call. Their reason was because he no longer posed a threat after having retreated inside. It turns out his medication needed tweaking. Social services got involved and he’s never done anything like it since. This was years ago. Our mental health services and adult social care has greatly deteriorated since then.
Whose White descendants will be the next victims? 😤😡 STOP IT NOW OR NEVER
And it,s truelly evil how your turning this into a race issue your as crazy as he is.....The End!
He shouldn't have been in the Country in the first place and second blame the 3 letter agencies for their social engineering programs destroying local towns and communities.
All refugees welcome
So what’s the excuse for the mad white people or English people that walk around the country and hurt people where should they be the ones that are born here where should they be
Oh no. Was he an illegal immigrant??
Give over this can happen to anybody! It happened to my neighbour who is an older white British guy. Fortunately his mental state wasn’t as deteriorated as this guys and nobody was killed but he threatened to stab the foreigners next door when they were simply sitting in their garden with their 2 young children. It took the police 2 days to respond to my emergency call. 2 fkn days. That’s the problem with this country. Appalling public services like social care, NHS, policing and our soft touch judicial system. All due to constant budget cuts in the name of austerity.
@@AramasG agree - the 1980’s / 90’s move away from institutional care to a “care in the community” approach only works if the resources and services actually exist in the community to monitor and care for the extremely mentally unwell. It’s shown time and time again that services are underfunded and overstretched. There could be an argument to be made though that it is exactly because of this that we cannot add more strain by loose illegal immigration policies
This poor lady, a child born of love, killed by a ...........waste of space,
The strange alien sound of someone speaking common sense.
He should have been deported
Why? He grew up in the uk as a child. Your going to deport anybody with a mental health problem? Bit harsh
Hey, it built Australia and theyre doing alright..lol.
My heart goes out to this mum. Shame on our government police ans mainstream media including the sun for not supporting the British people and allowing this to happen again again
Shame on the lack of funds to support mental health services.
This is appaling. Too many professional errors , insufficient MH resources.
This could have been prevented. He was only ever sectioned under Section 2 of the MH act. Yet had a known mental disorder.
He was also discharged to care of his GP in 2020 ,!!!!
WTAF seriously .
. He had a serious mental disorder and was not compliant with medication.
And yes , I work in a non NHS job within social care sector so I'm not some dimwit idiot, like many commenting on here .
@@Tens8athis has nothing to docwithblack of fund - a dangerous person released has nothing to do with lack of funds...this person was is dangerous with or without lack of funds.
@@amongsamsung9656
You have no idea what you're talking about. So many services have subpar care because they have to make the cuts wherever they can. This case is a result of the greater issue.
A wonderful mother and spokesperson for those families who deserve justice. The mental health system for both adults and children needs an overhaul. 🙏
This decent highly intelligent lady speaks more sense in a few words than the likes of Yvette Cooper spout in years.
She is so right - the mental health services have so many failings and I know as I worked in them and left because of it
You left because you didn't enjoy supporting people. Those still doing the job are still trying to make a difference. Mental health needs a reform, and financial boost. Without key professionals there can be no difference. Support the mental health services, dont trash it. Anyone can be affected with their mental health. You should know that.
@@Tens8a , Who the hell do you think you are to attack to this person and make such statements?!. You might THINK you know them and their situation... YOU DON'T!. So STFU scroll BY and mind your own damn business already!!. People like you attacking others for their choices are what's WRONG in this world!!!.... SICKENING!!!
@@Tens8awe should defund mental elf and bring back Spot The Looney competitions
Thank you for caring enough to not only work in the mental health services but to care enough and be principled enough to leave when you could see the many failings. That takes courage and conviction.
@@Tens8ain this specific case they left us the citizens down - and they need to pay for it - NO EXCUSES
Such a brave and strong lady. My heart feels pain for her. May her son and the other innocent ones who had their lives taken so cruelly, Rest in peace 🕊️
Correct in what she says and those that released him should be made accountable for his actions
THEY MUST BE MADE ACCOUNTABLE
Starmer . And these so called politicians should all be held accountable accountable my once beautiful country England 🏴 is dying quickly .. we need mp's with balls to save my country 😢
CALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITIES OF KNIFE CRIMES . CALL THE GOVERNMENT TO IMPLEMENT ACCOUNTABILITIES .. FOR THE SAFEDY OF THE ALL THE PEOPLE . THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY CAN MOVE QUICKLY WHEN THEY WANT TO !??!
Condolences & much love to Families that have lost these beautiful intelligent young people. So sad ❤xxxx
"Starmer"? He just started two weeks ago. *TORIES HAD FOURTEEN LONG YEARS* of stripping and selling off the NHS services bits by bits to their cronies. They created bogus business management positions to siphon off money for their rich stake holders, even when the frontline staff kept saying they needed more staff and less business managers. Now people have the unmitigated gall to blame the NHS. Disingenuous hypocrites.
"Starmer"? He just started two weeks ago. *TORIES HAD FOURTEEN LONG YEARS* of stripping and selling off the NHS services bits by bits to their cronies. They created bogus business management positions to siphon off money for their rich stake holders, even when the frontline staff kept saying they needed more staff and less business managers. Now people have the unmitigated gall to blame the NHS. Disingenuous hypocrites.
"Starmer"? He just started two weeks ago. *TORIES HAD FOURTEEN LONG YEARS* of stripping and selling off the NHS services bits by bits to their cronies. They created bogus business management positions to siphon off money for their rich stake holders, even when the frontline staff kept saying they needed more staff and less business managers. Now people have the unmitigated gall to blame the NHS. Disingenuous hypocrites.
Why point at Starmer? He only just got the job!
Maggie closed all the Secure Units. Tory cuts in the NHS led to this. Even as DPP he only got to be involved in these cases once the system had failed.
Other than that. YES.
Should be deported. It's disgraceful.
Why was he in this country why was he this country's responsibility it makes no sense
Smartest reform voter.
Always The Same Vermin……
Strong strong woman hope you get justice for your boy ❤️
I’m guessing the reason they didn’t act was the exact same reason the security guard didn’t confront the Manchester Arena bomber…
It could also be the same reason they let that nurse continue her rampage despite suspicions of what she was doing.
@@anwaralisayed9767 the nurse where multiple sources are now coming out with concerns that she was railroaded with dodgy statistical evidence? Yet another example where someone has to be sacrificed on the altar to the holy NHS (pbui)?
Thank you so much for making this video. Such courage 👏
We are being slaughtered but people still want the madness to continue. Amnesty international probably cheered for this 🤮
Good grief... I'd be furious to. I feel utterly horrible for the mum.
No families should have to be going through the pain that these families are going through because of professionals failings.
We have been investigated ourselves and found ourselves to be not culpable, system is working as intended.
The NHS exists in name only.
Emma Webber, is incredibly articulate after such a horrendous experience. You are absolutely right we need care over violent criminals who have mental health issues. People cannot be relied on to take their own medication and this case highlights the problem with that premise. You are a true warrior Emma and I am so sorry for your loss. The transformation you are showing from your pain to healing a bro˚en system is incredible and our system is bro˚en. Some people just need to be overseen otherwise these devastating actions will continue. The old mental health systems ˚new and understood the damage mentally ill people could do to others. We must protect the innocent and guard those who are out of control.
I’m suffering with psychotic symptoms it took me 1 year to see a consultant psychiatrist only because my wife officially complained to my GP who then made a complaint to the mental health department who then listened to me , now I’m on a treatment plan but still find appointments and reviews a long time to come
You’re actively experiencing psychosis and your GP *for a year* was basically like, “nope, don’t worry, it’ll just go away on its own in a day or two like the sniffles….” ???!?!!!?!!!! 😑😐😯💬😶 I just … *cannot* even with this. I am so incredibly sorry that you and your family have already been left SO helpless in managing and appropriately treating this and I sincerely hope that you are able to finally get the proper medical care that you need and deserve very soon!!!!!!
Listened to this on the radio this morning on the way to work. The fact that a professional actually said they think he may kill someone, is shocking 💀
She’s a Wonderfully Articulate Lady.
God Bless Her and The Families.
Eloquent, truthful, broken hearted and determined. My heart goes out to you and all those who have suffered through this avoidable tragedy. All the “lessons will be learnt” have led us to now. Culpable failure from those we pay to be the guardians of our safety, I include those who are not in their right minds here. I’ve seen it close hand. What an utter disgrace. Unfit for purpose.
I would like to see this wonderful woman made Baroness like Stephen Lawrence' Mother. God bless x
strong mum R.I.P Son
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Care in the community has failed we need more NHS staff properly trained and properly paid prevention is better than a cure
Let’s get to the root of this problem. What have all these perpetrators got in common? Are they indigenous Brits?
Meanwhile our southern border remains a free for all.
And we are told diversity is our strength. Tell that to this mother.
You're an idiot if you believe that. My uncle has a young white lady living above him who abuses passers by from her window. One day while he was in his garden she leaned out of her window with a bow and arrow and aimed it at him lucky for him he was able to move out of the way quickly. She has been taken into custody and hospital so many times only to return. There was a high profile case of a white woman some years ago who before she stabbed and attacked one other person on the street entered a doctor's surgery asking for help. She actually told them she was going to kill but they did nothing. I worked on a mental health hospital ward once when I was much younger. The evening my agency sent me to work there one of the patients, a white male, came into the kitchen where I was cleaning and started talking to me then he started punching the air and doing karate kicks. One of the nurses came into the kitchen and ordered him out. Once he'd left she warned me against him as he had convictions for rape. She told me to keep the door locked always. Everyone on that ward was white, there wasn't one black person.
The said mother disagrees with you.
What a lovely woman and human being..this os so sad and very very wrong
Well done to Barnaby Webber's mother. Full respect to her to be so determined to improve the failing NHS Mental Health care in our country after all she and her family have gone through. She is so right in what she says and talks with great positivity and eloquence. I pray that the right people and the appropriate authorities take notice of what she says.
The government cutbacks on mental health and policing are to blame.
According to global reports on the mental health, the UK was among the worst countries.
I’ll be brutally honest. It may be gruesome on their workplace but YOUR SON has LOST HIS LIFE. It’s the most precious gift every single one of us has and therefore those in medical field who had been neglectful and indirectly caused your son’s loss of life as a result should be held accountable .
What angers me is that he was allowed to live in the community unsupervised. He should have been carefully monitored and had assisted living 24/7. He was never going to be safe to be on his own. Heads should roll for this. 😢🙏. RIP Barnaby, Grace and Ian. I'm so sorry this happened to you. ❤
@@lesleysmith8300 we can thank the “care in the community” policies in the 1980’s and the mass closing down of old institutions for some of these problems
You are A wonderful Mother so sad .😢😢💕🙏🌻
So sad and unnecessary
Shame on the parents for letting their mad son roam the streets.
Mental health conditions is not madness. Go and get educated.
This is such an ill-considered comment. You have no idea what parents go through when their child has a mental health problem. Could you physically restrain a mentally deteriorating child? Yes get help, but the crisis team may not even come out, they’ll speak to your child at home and then tell you that their symptoms are not sufficient enough to warrant admission .
Parents of the victims have been seriously failed and deserve the full support of government and their communities, parents of the perpetrators have also been let down and though their child is still alive have to live with guilt, fear , regret,shame.
Do think before making a throw away comment.
@@Tens8a Well said.
@@lizziebett3654Nicely said.
I think your comment is appalling and you have no integrity and knowledge of what is going on here.
Ideological capture, embedding negligent practices that culminate in unsafe societies.
Isn't there injections that last several months that can be given instead of tablets.
They have public enquiries and at the end of the enquiry they say lessons will be learned but are they? Because it happens again and again So sorry for the families and rip to the victims 😢
the nun is absolutely right.! the murdered girls father worked in the NHS he must feel completely devastated.
The NHS will say they need more money. They always do
What a surprise, the blame game. Can't blame the knifeman, lets blame the services who have their hands tied and are collapsing with workloads brought on by?
Brought on by what?
@@icilmaa Take a wild guess?
Well blaming the people who were responsible for and under the explicit instruction and obligation to keep the public safe from this individual *seems* like a pretty straightforward and, really, the only reasonable response. How difficult is it to understand the doctor specifically stating in very simple words THAT THIS MAN IS AT RISK OF KILLING PEOPLE (if released out into the public)????? And their hands were in no way tied, in fact, the exact opposite. Why are you so eager to in some way so sympathetically excuse and reverentially protect those in authority in the system who are to blame and directly responsible for this catastrophic failure and general overall negligence in their basic duty of care in those very positions and offices of authority?
@@lovelyjanuary So what did the doctor do when he said this man is at risk of killing and if he was such a risk why let him out, of course he would not have let him out if his hands were not tied and that was his only option and why are his hands tied due to the sheer amount of people and lack of funds/manpower/hospital beds..To think otherwise shows your lack of critical thinking skills... I know plenty of people with mental health problems and none are violent killers. We brought this on ourselves with a welcome all mentality and our NHS is at a breaking point but keep on bringing them in I am sure it will be fine.
@@geoffduke1763 it’s so interesting that you conveniently forget that they also DIDN’T have to lie about the prescription medication he was actually (supposed to be) taking and conveniently manipulative in using the specific language to describe his “prescription resistance” with regard to the fact that it was really just simply his outright refusal and attempts to hide the fact that he wasn’t actually taking the medication that’s 100% adequately appropriate AND SUCCESSFUL at treating his paranoid schizophrenia, and then going further by intentionally misleading everyone who read the official report that he actually NEEDED to be placed into one of the ONLY three facilities (yes, as you said very underfunded as the entire system is, and with appallingly scarce beds, if not outright already operating at overcapacity which it obviously likely was) that are allowed to store and dispense certain highly controlled medications, one of which they CLAIMED he was *required* to be prescribed to because of the so-called “treatment resistance”, as it is one that is usually required in cases where other first line medications have failed to literally treat the symptoms and overall condition (in this case schizophrenia) which the patient has been diagnosed with and needs appropriate treatment for, especially in cases EXACTLY like this, where the safe release and elimination of immediate lethal threat to the community has to have been effectively eliminated based on the successful effects of that medication (as well as other interventions that the psychiatrist is also mostly responsible for managing and administering) for them to be able to do that. So, the point is: he was at the underfunded, inadequately resourced and over stretched, less secure and obviously inappropriate mental health facility (as opposed to another facility that might be able to provide the adequate security and supervision that a violent offender currently experiencing psychosis due to his refusal to take the appropriate and proven successful medication he is prescribed to treat his paranoid schizophrenia), literally as a direct result of the intentionally misleading and outright lying of the medical professionals (and others in authority involved then subsequently) who APPARENTLY we’re supposed to feel sorry for because “their hands were tied”. Well whose literal exact fault is that??????? If we’re going to believe that their hands were actually tied at that point at all anyway 😵💫🤷🏻♀️
He wasn't taking his medication because he knew full well that he didn't need it do they receive extra benefits for this mental health
Smartest Reform voter
Yes they have blood on their hands. 100 %. The authorities need to be held to account. Shocking lack of care.
This so sad for everybody.
NHS has fallen… I went to the hospital due to a work accident and the lady on the desk was very rude I could tell she was a sad person but what more shocked me was the fact that the doctor didn’t know how to print a discharge letter or use the equipment
This women should be so proud. She has articulated herself to the finest! ❤
VOTE REFORM at the next Council Elections 🇬🇧
So very sorry it should never have happened 😢
Our perfect nhs, the most wonderful thing in the world. We should defend at all costs.... no! 99% great, caring people, but the institution is dreadful. No accountability and failing everywhere you look.
Should never have been in the UK
Vote for Nigel Farage 👍
Has he promised to sort out the NHS?
@@icilmaa he'll help his mates defraud the country and blame it on immigrants and disabled people on benefits.
How was these 3x killings and 3x serious injuries 'Man Slaughter'?
It was reported that he said he didn't hear voices anymore and did that get him discharged
Past lessons leant, NO! This is the only response offered by guilty parties, always.
No words 😢 🙏 🤲
Immigrant?
She is a nice lovely lady and that is the problem in Britain today. She's also a utopiaist and I feel sad for her as she lives in a different world. Sadly there are millions like her who thinks the current systems will fix things and will still vote for the same thing, so until the next time 😢
A schizophrenic choosing not to take drugs is incredibly common due to paranoia, doesn’t mean he’s responsible, schizophrenia and autism are serious disorders that get ignored by the general public. Then these things happen.
Hmm, autism..be careful there. Its not the autism itself, it's when autistic people experience poor mental health, the coping strategies are less resilient for many.
Who was Home Secretary when he was allowed in?
The culpability lies in Westminster and Whitehall.
Or maybe he was born in the UK, and you're now dealing with the fallout of 14yrs of Tories selling off NHS services to their elite cronies. The ones who constantly ignored the dire need for frontline staff, but instead, fill the NHS with useless business managers to make money for the stakeholders.
Meanwhile a Stabbing in Manchester last night. Suspect still on Run...
Much of the National Health Shambles just wants an easy ride and a big pay packet at the end of each month.
The tories did this.
No it started with Blair opening the borders. Tories continued with it.
All politicians since Blair came to power are responsible for this.
Labour, Tories, SNP. Their softly, softly approach, police indifference, failure by the NHS - all leading to this massive increase in incidents throughout this century.
The Government and media collaborate to move on as quickly as possible from incidents, hoping they are buried by other news - and you have to wonder why? Why is public safety so minor a priority for politicians and the majority players in the media.
Oh will you shut up what,s explain how the Tory party did that step by step!
Blame the gov
That’s the issue with the police and nhs they can’t help unless you act on it so stupid why not act on it and prevent it
I work for the health service and I have done that type of work and I always said to myself these people should not be left out and they keep saying Well is fine or she’s fine whatever no answer in my life and my experience is not to let them out anything all is alright now and he’s on tablets if you know they are not safe and that’s one thing that helps your service should learn not to let these people out it’s so dangerous you don’t know are their minds are working and what the suffering with so therefore you don’t let them out as simple as that they won’t have this problemI heart aches for these people who got killed in Nottingham for no reason I cried when I heard this about this and I said to my husband Jean to let him out there now he’s got mental issues and his skips a funny one recorded a couple of that word and it broke my heart was no need for this always seems to be the person who’s done it on the side more than the people I’ve got cute thank you I’m so sorry
Somebody should be named and jailed
Same problem in France with their « open psychiatric établissements » politic
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The family are blaming the NHS but if one of my children had an illness I would be in my car and there for them. I would take them back home and make sure that they got the care they required mentally or physically. He was in Nottingham and they stayed in wales getting phones calls knowing he was hearing voices. I call that someone who is washing their hands of them and leaving them for the state to deal with . As a mother she should have taken full resposibliity from the first day he broke into the neighbours house or the first phone calls received .You cannot sit back and leave it to the NHS they are your child no matter how old they are. Where was the parental responsiblity. Harsh but true
Why you people always love to point their fingers on everyone? Do you know these parents? Have you been there with them when tragedy happened? How can you blame them. This tragedy not only affected the families of the victims but the family of the guilty guy. Have some compassion like Jesus was teaching. Seriously judgmental people like you are the worst
Not another usual suspect what done this
Stirring more trouble up I see.
White British are being treated badly.. They allowed people to come into the country with open.arma but some ethnicity that come in arw not appreciative of the country n the British people
What's with these guys just casually wearing balaclava's now? Just hanging out, wearing a ski-mask...WTF?!
I’m sorry but what do you expect when there is zero accountability in the law against government worker NHS negligence? Don’t complain when you choose the cheapest quality healthcare system. Oh I’m sorry, I just watched BBC so I mean “the best system in the world” and “at least we are t like the Americans paying $20k for a broken leg”. Yeh, right.
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I was hearing and seeing things plus very suicidal, these services are run at a shoe string
Who actually said Diversity is our Strength?
I bet you thought you’d get many likes
He should be in prison for murder. It's disgusting that it is now coming out that it was withheld that he refused to take his medication and not that he had 'treatment resistant' schizophrenia. And part of why he couldbt go into prison was because he needed this specific treatment not available in prisons and then he's only taking his original medication
Refusal of medications is a very common part of the symptoms of the diagnosis, slow coach. They *LACK MENTAL CAPACITY* and part of their disorder is altered reality, hallucinations, thought disorders, which means they view medications as poisonous. They *CAN'T* help it. Professionals know that. Meanwhile, your beloved nation treats its most vulnerable with disdain.
Tories were in charge for *FOURTEEN YEARS,*and they stripped off the NHS services to be sold off to their cronies. Instead of listening to the demands of the qualified workers who requested the dire need for frontline staff, they chocked the NHS full of useless business managers whose jobs were to make savings for share holders. Now you're dealing with the fallout.
Refusal of medications is a very common part of the symptoms of the diagnosis, slow coach. They *LACK MENTAL CAPACITY* and part of their disorder is altered reality, hallucinations, thought disorders, which means they view medications as poisonous. They *CAN'T* help it. Professionals know that. Meanwhile, your beloved nation treats its most vulnerable with disdain.
Tories were in charge for *FOURTEEN YEARS,*and they stripped off the NHS services to be sold off to their cronies. Instead of listening to the demands of the qualified workers who requested the dire need for frontline staff, they chocked the NHS full of useless business managers whose jobs were to make savings for share holders. Now you're dealing with the fallout.
Refusal of medications is a very common part of the symptoms of the diagnosis, slow coach. They *LACK MENTAL CAPACITY* and part of their disorder is altered reality, hallucinations, thought disorders, which means they view medications as poisonous. They *CAN'T* help it. Professionals know that. Meanwhile, your beloved nation treats its most vulnerable with disdain.
Tories were in charge for *FOURTEEN YEARS,*and they stripped off the NHS services to be sold off to their cronies. Instead of listening to the demands of the qualified workers who requested the dire need for frontline staff, they chocked the NHS full of useless business managers whose jobs were to make savings for share holders. Now you're dealing with the fallout.
What a shame for this w.
oman ❤❤❤🙏🙏💪🏾💪🏾😡.
Thank you The Sun.
There are political reasons why this tragedy happened. Even though they weren’t yet in power when the tragedy occurred, it is everything to do with the current administration.
Nega
You spelt it wrong😂😂😂😂😂
@@BertramG-oz4nuthat’s was on purpose
Congoneeezzzianites.. they was kangs ya know.
Or please stop blaming NHS staff it’s not them who stabbed him please
No it isn’t, but the people within the NHS who made as it turned out catastrophic decisions are absolutely to blame
They ARE to blame
CQC investigated and found some many mistakes and missed opportunities by the NHS. The NHS did risk assessments EIGHT times and failed to act on how dangerous he could potentially be. And then they discharged him with no care plan or anything even though he had shown violent tendencies. They did get it very wrong and the professionals who decided these things do need to take accountability.
@@lha816You're now dealing with the fallout of 14yrs of Tories selling off NHS services to their elite cronies. The ones who constantly ignored the dire need for frontline staff, but instead, fill the NHS with useless business managers to make money for the stakeholders.
Have you read the article about this ?
Do you understand it ?
Utter nonsense blaming the NHS the murdererr is to blame
You're now dealing with the fallout of 14yrs of Tories selling off NHS services to their elite cronies. The ones who constantly ignored the dire need for frontline staff, but instead, fill the NHS with useless business managers to make money for the stakeholders.
Perhaps read the report about this .
The NHS are at fault here .
Lack of MH resources and poor professional decisions made, also information Information omitted from risk assessment.
As someone who works in the social care sector I find it appalling actually.
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The three victims looked so lovely, normal & kind, nothing can justify this!! What the fudge is going on? 🤬
You cant blame NHS blame the courts
I am appalled at the state of everything.
The NHS completely failed tondo their job.