The most ridiculous Opener in
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- A lot of openers become weird when you try to really optimize them, but one stands out to me as particularly silly!
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I know this video is a bit subjective, so what is the most ridiculous opener in your opinion? It could be wild in terms of planning, or extremely complex to perform! I just thought this paladin one was ridiculous to the point of being funny so I wanted to share it! ^^
A ridiculous variation opener currently in-game is the 29s WAR pre-pull opener. 30s countdown, pop IR at 29s, then wait until pull start. Hit Primal Rend as first GCD. The entire purpose of the pull is to gain a Primal Rend use over the course of the fight based on the kill time expected, forgoing raid buff alignment entirely.
@@Jerails Wow that is extremely specific! I am guessing that whether this is worth it is also dependent on whether there is either some downtime throughout the fight that somehow pushes Inner Release back to fit with Raid buffs, or that this specific displacement doesn't result in losing an inner release throughout the fight anyway! That is a lot to think about!
That is an interesting point! "since rdps means I don't get credit for putting my burst in the raid buffs anyway, why bother?"
What a strange situation! I didn't even think of that since I couldn't imagine doing that myself!
My GNB Opener. I dont Savage, yet. But what I have in a funny lil notepad on my screen is a custom opener that means I do one full standard rot, a aoe rot, then pop No Mercy, Double Down, Bloodfest, Gnashing Fang Combo with my 2 gap closers, Lughtning Shot, finishing eith 2 uses of the quick combo that is literally the one that ends with hypervelocity.
And that is how you fuck your raid buffs and be a dumb MT, like me XD
(Its not complex or anything, just sillly, so I thought to drop it here anyway)
That is certainly a unique opener 😊 the good news are that gunbreaker does not need a long pull timer or anything to do their openers, so you could perfect this in regular content 😊
If you would like to learn more about this then I do have a guide on high level gunbreaker. I also have a starter guide on the job but I am guessing you don't need that 😁
Link to the high level guide for your convenience: ua-cam.com/video/r7rvfx0cAAo/v-deo.html
Nah, craziest opener I've ever seen is a GNB just going in there and hitting Supebolide.
That's it. That's the opener.
Step two: get hit by damage before healer notices!
You forgot the most important step, my dude...
/statusoff "Superbolide"
😂😂😂😂
@@starstreamheartlocke652 and don't forget the "HEALERS ADJUST" part.
@@Artahe Surely you mean... "Where are the 'eals!?"
As a PLD who uses this opener religiously, I knew this was coming lol.
Haha! Well I commend you for putting in the effort to optimize! 😊
Will say im a bit confused on the wait since im newer to the game
This opener predates the rather recent rework of the paladin job, and so, it is no longer a rotation anyone uses! However, the reason was the following:
You want to apply a fight or flight boosted goring blade. This takes around 7 seconds. You want specifically a downtime after requiescat burst (which used to be used separately from fight or flight, as fight or flight *used to* only boost physical damage)
The reason for that is that requiescat finishes with applying a damage over time effect similar to goring blade, that didn't stack. So having an intentional break of about 20 seconds between end of requiescat and start of fight or flight was preferable.
Thus, if you cast fight or flight 18 seconds before fighting starts (as you only want the 7 seconds to use goring blade), fight or flight can start its cooldown sooner, and be ready when you need it.
The reason you want requiescat 7 seconds into the fight is because raid buffs tend to come out there and your magic spells are the strongest part of your rotation.
If you want to know about the new paladin rotation and opener i have guides, and a short, showcasing these 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh fair fair, being newer at the game means i didnt try out the older stuff. Got my paladin to 51 currently though hence my confusion.
Do you think the paladin was better before or after the rework?
I feel that the rework made the job both more flexible and easier to play. I also enjoy playing the job far more now, so I think the new version is better 😊
There is a booming sound in the distance...
It is Stormblood Summoner.
And it is laughing.
I'm picturing an egi running laps to get that perfect back-to-back Devotion cast! Or are you thinking of something else? 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Ah just the entire opener and petswap sequence mate. On controller it was a bit tricky to learn but it felt goooooooood
I don't remember exactly what I did. But I did it
Can't forget stormblood MCH was up there with SMN as ome of the hardest classes to master before it got simplified (but soo much better) in SHB and than SMN becoming so simple in Endwalker.
While MCH has a pretty simple opener(Reassemble + Air Anchor), I will never forget running Alexander with members of my FC and one of them going "is that a bazooka??"
Honestly, Machinist has a somewhat complex optimized rotation, because when perfectly optimizing, you may space out Drill, Air Anchor and Chainsaw in a specific way because it makes them line up correctly for your next wildfire window 2 minutes into the fight and so on! So certainly, Machinist can become very complex if you wish it to be - but don't feel like you have to do this super optimization, in most content, just using these big attacks first tend to be just fine!
Also fun fact! Did you notice that Drill, Bioblaster, Air Anchor and Chainsaw all use the same multi cannon tool to shoot from? Just from different angles! :D
aw hell yeah im down for variety shorts for FFXIV like this, excited for future vids
Thank you! That makes me feel a lot more confident! 😊
Agreed !
i joke said in my head "it's paladin lmao they gotta hit the same 3 buttons over and over" because I'm a paladin main and then it actually happened
Haha! I wonder if when they get reworked in January that they still have the most ridiculous opener 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh It is the future now, our opener involves holding off on popping our damage CDs until just before we get sword oath, do the full requiescat, goring blade, and fit all the atonements in after the fact
@@SnancyNegative Indeed this is true, and I even made a guide on this both when the job got reowkred initially, and again just recently when they changed it slightly! :D
Sge's pneuma opener is pretty wild, use eukrasia prepull and do -2 pneuma, then dot. Using a 2min massive healing cd just to save 1s is wild af
Oh yeah I remember seeing this! That is absolutely wild!
I only use this opener when raiding with static. 😆
If you think about it most raids open with a raid wide, both healers will have massive amounts of resources at this point anyway so why not 🤷🏻♂️
For anyone stumbling on this, since 6.3 they've gotten rid of having to pop FoF 18 seconds before pull. As always, it's a good idea to check out resources every once in a while to make sure you're up to date.
This is absolutely true, and I would also advice to check a dedicated guide on a job to get the finer details of things like this! 😊
Why did ppl do this? I don't completely understand the timing with raid buffs explanation... Why wouldn't they simply place it further in the rotation so it's active during them?
This is because before the paladin rework, fight or flight only affected physical damage.
Requiescat enabled the magic burst which at the time was 4 holy spirits, confiteor and the three blades (8 gcds).
The magic burst did better damage than most physical attacks, but you really wanted to apply goring blade with fight or flight up if you could.
Due to this design, paladin had a looping rotation of physical burst with fof (including a goring blade combo finish, as goring blade was an alternative to royal authority that applied a dot. Then royal authority, and a number of atonements, and then another goring blade just before fof runs out)
Then a magic burst with requiescat. The final blade actually applied a slightly superior version of goring blade also.
And then a downtime sequence of royal authority combo and a number of atonements and repeat.
The intent of waiting 18 seconds of fof in this way was such that you could start your rotation so that you got the peak of your sustained dps during raid buffs, without it affecting your looping rotation.
I hope this makes sense 😅
Anything for a 1% gain XD
Thought it was going to be the DRK taking off gear for TBN then putting it back on to make sure it pops.
That is certainly one I haven't heard before! That is a quite interesting trick!
For anyone reading this, do remember to put on your gear again before you enter combat! 😅
Hell I am kinda sad FFXIV doesn't have gear swapping like ffxi.
Blue mage opener is the most ridiculous imo xD!
It involves using a spell that gives you 50% more dmg for the next 15 seconds, during which you'll be " giving it your all", after that you can't use any spells or abilities for the next 15 secs, so it's practically a 15 seconds burst followed by a 15 seconds stand around and do nothing (except occasional dodging). It's not a pre-pull wait, it's a during fight wait, compared to others!
When your opener goes so hard you are going to need a little break immediately after! Perfectly as ridiculous as we would expect of a Blue Mage! 😆
Is moon flute ever used after the opener?
@@starstreamheartlocke652 It's usually used at the end as well, when you buff up and prepare to use final sting for the kill (cause a blue mage group don't need to get bosses to 0 hp the traditional way, they get it to "can be killed with final sting" hp and then double KOs it).
Aside from that it depends on the fight, the dmg you can get from it is amazing and worth it, but you gotta plan where to use it so that the standing around after wont kill you.
@@millamiqote8827 This is correct. Generally, DPS Blue mages want to use Moon Flute to align with other 2 minute cooldowns, a bit like the classic 2 minute burst windows for normal jobs. For tanks, this is highly unlikely, since being unable to do anything for 15 seconds is brutal. The can also be the case for healers, but usually, at least one of the healers can get away with using Moon Flute too!
Overall, it is complicated, as BLU tends to be, it depends on the situation!
Heavensward WAR was absolute aids:
45s before the pull, you would infuriate to get 5 Abandon stacks
15s before the pull, you would refresh it with Raw Intuition or Vengeance
All so you could get 3 Fell Cleaves into Berserk + raid buffs
45 seconds!! I guess that's why these days most abilities that generate resources at all requires either an attack target or to be in combat!
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing!
now put that on top of the fact that ability CDs didn't reset on group wipe until Stormblood and you have a recipe for wasting a lot of your time lmao
HW was a hell of an era
On top of 5 seconds(?) Of pacification if you didn't have a pet bard on standby with wardens paean
@@Aegis--- I can just picture how optimizing a raid team really limited your options back then! Want the warrior for slash resistance down, Dragoon for piercing and then you need a bard for the warrior and so on 😵💫
Meanwhile Dark Knights: RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!
one time, i was practicing a gnb opener in bozja and clicked on the wrong hotbar; i gap closed and immediately hit superbolide followed by tank lb
my party was two zones away but they knew exactly what just happened
Such total catastrophy that you couldn't have done it worse intentionally! xD
As a paladin main in both ff14 and wow..i can confirm our opener is indeed ridiculous haha
On the bright side, it works really well when you get away with using it! :D
For p3s, warriors had an opener where they used Inner Release at -29 seconds prepull to pull with primal rend. And then there was another one that included doing Overpower -> Mythril Tempest because it gave you your damage buff in 2 gcds instead of 3. I think that also had you use Inner Release immediately before that or something. Cursed openers are the best.
Thank you for the extra detail! Others mentioned this cursed primal rend opener and I have heard of overpower mythril tempest openers but never heard of cases where people would use them specifically!
P3S specifically then for the primal rend one! That is interesting! 😊
Meanwhile Dancer 60 second pre-cast be like...
"That 5% damage boost on the first Standard Step is definitely the amount of damage we are missing to beat the boss guys!" 😄
astro shb prepull going into both sects was probably the craziest prepull
Oh yeah I remember how you could set up aspected helios from one sect, switch and then do the other before the pull! 😊
I refused to do the old optimal PLD opener because I didn't want to subject my team to 20 second countdowns.
That is understandable! As I recall, it was bad enough that guides recommended an alternative shorter opener for doing pulls repeatedly in Savage Progress, and furthermore it was figured out that Slow PLD (2.50 GCD) could do better without the looooong pull timer! ^^
Black Mage paradox opener. if you know you know. if you don't then fear it
I have plans to look more into this because it sounds hilarious and ridiculous all at the same time!
My pick for the most wild opener is Dragoon in DSR specifically
They start with an OGCD instead of a GCD, if you dont jump before your first GCD getting jump and mirage dive off before Thordan leaves is very hard otherwise. And if you dont get second mirage dive your rotation is very ruined for the rest of the encounter
Now that is wild! I have heard of boss specific opener adjustment but I think this one takes the cake on that!
Still haunt me til this day
Monk's rotation is most optimized rotation is based on lag, or how many frames they get. Can do double lunar or double solar depending on when they want to align buffs by matters less than a second
Oh yes! Monk is definitely up there in terms of difficult openers! As far as I know, there are even 4 popular openers depending on what you need, which is far more than what most other jobs have!
Tanks having to activate their tank stance seems to be the hardest one. Can't counter the number of times they've forgotten to do it
Perhaps one day the default becomes that the tank stance is on and not off! 😊
Yeah I aint doing any of that lmao, Imma stick to pressing what lights up
That is usually also just fine for most content! it's not common you'd be able to have a random roulette party wait for the pull timer 😊
I realized this was an old video right when you said paladin. I used to do this opener and just hate the world for it.
Now it's 100% Dancer for the 45s opener
Haha yeah, I am glad this Paladin Opener is no longer a thing!
It is fortunate that the 45s Dancer Opener is such a miniscule Damage gain over the 15s opener that it is almost rude to demand it outside of like... a Parsing run ^^ (The gain being around 36 potency in total!)
Dark knights opener gives me anxiety with how much double weaving it has.
Haha yeah, it is so packed that youmay have to try to put things like Blood Weapon before your opener begins just to try and fit it all!
Drk opener into their 3 button spam is pain.
-4sec blood wep
-3sec TBN if you know the boss will pop it
-2sec flask
-0.5sec provoke
And then follow it up with 22 button presses in 8.5 GCDs
Yeah that is certainly also a crazy one! 😅
Naw I'm a Lalafell so the answer is food buffs... I need my cookies and milk!
That is absolutely the best opener I've heard of!
I wanna say the Ultima Weapon Gigapad plume opener for Ninja is the most ridiculous I've seen.
Basically you save your oGCDs for the Garuda plumes mechanic.
The label for the meme opener is "Guaranteed to make your static hate you and blacklisted from your Data Center's Ultimate PFs"
That label is really funny!
But hey! You did a lot of damage right?! 😄
This is why I play 14 casually and don't optimize anymore. Openers like this are really dumb and not fun. Also personally I just don't like raid buffs
That's fair.
I understand a lot of players also feel the excitement of lining up all the raid buffs and such has sort of disappeared because it happens almost automatically now
it's not true anymore but back when you have to generate your Greased Lightning stacks, Shadowbringer monk had to litteraly be perfect on server tick to have a good opener with Anatman to get 1 Greased Lightning stack 0.1 sec after pressing the button , that was just impossible without a tool
Or even the tornadokick rotation at the end of SB was wild, you litteraly throw your Greased Lightning stack in the opener
Yeah, tornado kick eating your buff stack was just really confusing, and could be really terrible if you used it at the wrong time!
Ahh a fellow monk I see
Learning 6.3 NIN Opener made learning every class too easy
Well that sounds like a good thing? 😊
I’d have to say dancer…. As a main, my poor friends having to use a 30 second count down just so I can standard step 😊😅
When I was making this video, I had this image in my mind of a dancer, an astrologian and now a paladin, all lining up to do their super long prep! 😂
So I totally get what you mean! 😁
30sec is a bit of an overshoot, you start standard at 16sec so a 16-18sec timer is good enough for a DNC. (At least what I am personally comfortable with ofc)
@@arratoi how? When standard step is 25 second cool down? Idk I’m not a huge savage player but someone in my fc is and she prefers 30 seconds so I can used SS once pre pull
@@arratoi tbh… I prefer the 15 sec timer because sitting there with everyone for 30 seconds after I ST makes me feel like a moron 😂
@@Tac-oBella Standard Step's cooldown is 30 seconds, however, when you start it, you have 15 seconds before you have to finish it. So the opener when optimized has you do Standard Step -> the 2 steps, and then wait until the very last moment before it ends, such that you start the battle with only 15 seconds of cooldown on Standard Step 🙂
For this reason, you don't need more than about 18 seconds to perform this consistently, however, a lot of players like the full 30 seconds so they don't have to sit ready to press the button at a moments notice at all times.
Additionally, while you could feasibly apply your standard finish once before the pulltimer to get a damage bonus for the Standard Finish itself, I don't know how much this would matter over the course of a battle, and it would add an extra 30 seconds of wait between each try, so people tend to not do this 🙂I hope this explains it Gabriella!
DNC is kinda funny - 15.5 seconds you start standard step, then do the 2 steps and... wait for the remaining 10 seconds. Then at 0.5 seconds pre-pull you can finish, as the attack takes time to propagate across the arena to the boss.
Indeed, that is also quite a weird opener! 😁
Yeah, for developers who wanted to build so much around a 2min burst window...they really messed up when to be optimal a job has to use an ability, stand around for 18 seconds, then start the fight just to make sure they get the most benefit, but you know....'Balance' and all that.
On the bright side (..?) they reworked paladin to no longer require such ridiculous shenanigans to just have a chance! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh, that is true, just kinda sad it took them months and thousands of players providing data to prove it. Still baffles me how they define 'balance' without thinking how players don't care about balance so much as being optimal. Makes me fearful of what big alterations are coming for 7.0 like every expansion.
Yeah, it's awkward because players will choose the most degenerate absurd rotation imaginable, if it is the optimal one. The danger there is that the developers can choose to put guard rails on everything and make every rotation obvious and simple and boring. Or they can let it be 🤔 and given the current path we are going down, I am certainly seeing some guard rails in the distance! 😕
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Aye, as do I. Seen it in prior expansions, and I'm more than certain by now they are very aware of how the current meta is affecting specific jobs when it comes to endgame content. Reminds me of when they made mch/brd turret jobs only to realize that was a huge mistake based on how the player base was avoiding using certain aspects to perform mechanics or avoid the jobs entirely. Or when it came to Drk when first added with the Dark Arts train and being far more Magic defensive meaning physical damage fights they were not desired at all.
Sadly though, no matter how hard they try, the player base will always find the meta or "optimal rotation" to work in a specific way that fits that meta. At least for now we know they won't be doing any major battle changes until 7.0.
counter argument: triplecast flare flare flare swiftcast flare manafont flare
Thunderclap into Dragon Kick into Dragon Kick followed by a Dragon Kick which then goes into an infinite cycle of Dragon Kick until whatever you're fighting is dead.
That is certainly also a ridiculous strategy! Personally I prefer to include masterful blitzes! 😁
Theres also the -28s IR war opener or the BLM transmute opener which are quite cursed
Yeah that IR warrior opener sounds like a lot of thinking and consideration just for a single primal rend, since the opener will also make IR miss raid cooldowns! I wonder how many fights this particular opener is worth it on!
For the BLM Transmute opener, I am guessing it might be related to the... I think it is called the "Infinite Paradox" rotation or something like that? I suppose the biggest benefit of it would be that it makes you quite mobile? But it is definitely complicated, and cursed! ^^
@@CaetsuChaijiCh yeah thats the one i meant
my favorite opener: Walking up to the boss so it can teach you how to floor tank
🤣 I suppose that would also qualify as an opener!
Dark knight wen static puts you up at main tank and boss dos a tank buster every 2 minutes right in the dot.
And rng tank buster.
An tank buster were you have to swop back.
That sounds somewhat problematic for all those burst phases! 😅
Bard because you have to remember 2 openers because of RNG
Yeah that one is pretty ridiculous! 😂
It IS ridiculous and part of why I dropped PLD very early into EW. Meanwhile GNB feels so good after the bloodfest adjust.
Yeah I get that! If you want to optimize the job in content In general, paladin really only gets to do this opener in like... Savage raids and such 😅 and yes it's funny how the blood fest change is a nerf, but soo good for quality of life 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh lmao yeah. No more 6 minute rotation XD
i remember the HW warrior opener, talk about overkill...
I feel like that opener is the reason resource generators like infuriate are not allowed at all outside of combat! 😂
I'm so fucking glad they fixed their rotation. I refused to do the proper opener because it was so stupid..
It was ridiculous! These days the paladin opener is definitely a lot simpler, for better or worse depending on who you ask of course 😊
Summoners used to have a 30s preopener in SB, you also could use aetherflow on both summoner and sch out of battle so you BET your ass youre waiting in that cooldown between every pull.
Oh and dont you even fucking dare going into an instance astro if you havent pre drawn a spread balance. You also had to draw 4 cards in the astro opener and also act fast with what you got.
Samurai at one point had like 6 different openers based on the sks tier Iirc. Didnt play it much.
Sb was wild.
Those are some wild examples! It makes me wonder why astrologian still gets to draw outside of combat considering pretty much all similar actions are in combat only now!
drk is crazy if you need to do any mit in your opener, just faceroll
Haha that is true! That mitigation has to book a schedule or something, the dark knight is busy pumping for the first 20 or so seconds easily! 😁 I guess if necessary you can do blackest night on your co tank and let them lead in the opener to save yourself the trouble!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh all in the planning ahahaha
The most ridiculous opener in FFXIV is from heavensward times and goes to the warrior 56 seconds pull timer it similar to you paladin opener check it out
Oh yes! I did look into this and it is quite ridiculous as well! 😂 It's probably a good thing you can't use things like infuriate outside of combat anymore!
Remember when aetherflow was usable outside of combat so smn had to wait a whole minutes between pulls to do their opener. Also the pet swap opener, you used all ifrit ability before pull at very specific times so when you swapped to Garuda you had less pet managing to do. Fun times
Indeed! I also recall that Garuda became a better choice if you had more magic damage in the raid or something like that, because she applied a magic damage vulnerability debuff to the target as a cooldown, too!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh yes, and you had to actively manipulate pet AI to make it work. You had to break the class to play it
This will go into my Dragon Kick folder.
The folder of ffxiv craziness! 😄
Dancer using standard step 15 seconds before pull, potting at 2 seconds, having to dump 8-9 gcds into a 20 second window while also not weaving fan dances and not letting saber dance gague cap and also fitting standard step into all of that in the corner: 😶
As long as raid buffs are up, you would want to weave fan dances though ^^
But Dancer has its own extra silly opener, where it uses Standard Finish 45 seconds in advance so they get the buff for the very first GCD xD
It just feels a bit less absurd than sitting with something like Fight or Flight just ticking down!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh oh really? I get yelled at by xiv analysis every time I use two fan dances one after the other 😭
@imtired927 oh yeah you should always space out the fan dances so only one fan dance per gcd. This is because the internal cooldown on fan dance causes it to clip your gcd if you try to double fan dance 1. There's also the case that tillana and standard/technical finish only have a GCD of 1.5 so theres only space for a single ogcd after those 😊
It should be fine to weave fan dance 1 and 3 in the same window, but not two fan dance 1 or two fan dance 2, or one of each, as their internal cooldown causes problems! 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh thank you! I'll def be trying this for raid night tonight 🤗
I know this videos kinda old now but I still think some of the non-standard blm openers are wild-- one of the examples guides give you is one that uses transpose twice that you can only use if your mana regen ticks line up favourably lmfao
That is absolutely true! I actually go over possibly the most absurd one, the Infinite Paradox Opener / Rotation, which basically combines transpose lines and strategies to completely circumvent casting entirely!
It is included in this longer video about Ridiculous Openers: ua-cam.com/video/acBb89Th9b8/v-deo.html
Where blackmage paradox opener at
It is actually in a video I made with five more ridiculous openers! 😁 It takes a while to explain the paradox opener 😅
/ac “Fight or Flight”
/wait 2
/countdown 16
The Pf macro
Yep that sounds about right! 😂
can you please tell me the name of the piece you are using in the body slot for astrologian and also for ninja??? i’ve been looking for something that looks like those for a long time but i couldn’t find anything. only thing somewhat similar was cape of happiness but i don’t like the belt is has on it
The Astrologian top is "Pixie Cotton Robe of Healing" dyed Cherry Pink. The arms that go with it are "Atrociraptorskin Armguards of Healing" also dyed Cherry Pink!
The Ninja top is "Replica Sky Pirate's Coat of Casting" dyed Cherry Pink. This top can be worn by anyone due to it being a Replica! ^^
何を言っているのかは実は分かってないんだけど、塀の瓦の色と、服の色がすごく気になる。単純に服の色はとてもいいと思うのでこのあと高評価します。
私は非常に基本的な日本語しか知らないので、これはDeepLでやっています
ありがとうございます、とても親切ですね、私もこの特別なピンク色がとても好きなので、あなたもそう思ってくれてうれしいです
このアイテムは、カララント：チェリーピンクです。
さらに、このショートフィルムは、最適化しようとするときに、奇妙な方法で戦いを始めるジョブの話であり、特にパラディンがファイト・オア・フライトをすでにアクティブにして18秒間立っていることがあるという例です。
Learning this activated my fight or flight tbh
Fortunately it no longer has to be activated way in advance because of the rework! 😂😄
@@CaetsuChaijiCh bless
And this is everything that is wrong with combat in final fantasy 14 in on video. I love this game but SE its just ridiculous having to do this.
I can understand the frustration! But in fairness, Most of these silly tricks and openers are made up by the players trying to over optimize things! The only way SE could prevent this from happening would be to make it so the vast majority of actions you have aren't usable at all out of combat, which I think a lot of people would find worse 😅
The good news are that you don't need to do this stuff in most content, and in the case of Paladin, it is not too big of a loss to skip the "Cast fight or flight and then stand there for 18 seconds" part of the opener 😊
Algorithm Bless this creator !
Thank you so much 😊 A little bit every day! 😄
5.X SMN movement buffering carbuncle to buffer devotion 15 sec early.
I dont even worry about openers. So long as we have more than enough to clear then idc. Feels like it takes the fun out of the game for me. Hell these party buff window things feel like they take a lot out as well. I kind of wish they would do a rework on these somehow.
And this is why people do the 4 slash before going to magic. So they don't have to do this crazy opener, that requires your team to be on time.
Yeah this 18 second opener is pretty much never happening without a coordinated team!
My favorite is messing around with friends as WAR and just opening with the mega front flip of doom to pull the boss. Absolute shit for damage, but style points are where it’s at!
Funny how this is dated now. It used to be, but that has changed with 6.3, and pld changes
This is true, I guess it makes it more like a history lesson now 😅
As a PLD main. I hated 18s CD last tier for P4S. I had to just pop the CD then FoF and cry.
Oh yeah I can imagine it is just as painful for the Paladins to wait as everyone else! Watching that precious damage cooldown just sitting there ticking down... And simultaneously seeing everyone else ready and raring to go!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Luckily I havent seen any required 18s CDs for the current savage tier. Heres to hoping i dont need any lmao.
I'm glad they changed PLD's rotation, it was real bad at 90.
Yeah I think the rework is mostly for the better, though I do understand a bunch of pld mains that liked how complicated it was 😊
As a paladin main… yes
Hopefully it doesn't ruin your enjoyment of the Paladin, despite the weird opener! 😅
I would say T2 where everyone had to dance at the entrance of the final boss until 15 minutes elapsed to make the fight easier.
That is one I haven't heard of before! I am guessing some sort of enrage like mechanic would just fail to land or something, and then what was left after was easier to beat? Or was it something else? 🙂
@@CaetsuChaijiCh if you wait you basically don't have to do mechanics as it will just do constant raidwides. If you didn't wait, you would have to do the mechanics of (this might be wrong, it's been a long time) the opposite route of what you chose. The right side had a type of rot that would be easy death to most parties, and left side was a cakewalk in comparison. Easier to just wait out the enrage to start than to actually use brain
Aaah I see! Right! I suppose the "enrage" just wasn't strong enough to wipe the raid! That is pretty funny! 😊 But also sucks to sit and wait for 15 minutes! 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiChAh yes... Good olde Allagan Rot. Still kills so many to this day. As for the enrage part - it would still kill you easypeasy, but it was forestalled until your healers were out of mana and couldn't keep up with the damage leading to a second enrage timer of sorts... Much like the dragon in Labrynth of the ancients (1st boss with skeles etc) had to be nerfed due to power creep as killing it before adds were dead and optimaly placed to be killed would wipe groups cause of mass damage even with heals going.
Thats got nothing on the WAR 29 second inner releace pre pull.
Haha! I guess you are right! It takes a lot to overtake a cursed opener like that one in ridiculousness! ^^
Pre pull inner release is one of the worse in my opnion
Oh yeah, I remember reading Warriors referring to that as the "Cursed Opener" 😆
too bad yt shorts wasnt around back when warriors needed 70 seconds before pull to double pop infuriate
Now that would be a wild one! 😂
Optimal doesn't mean smart. Wasting 3/4th of a amage up so you can minmax your mag burst with your 1, 2, 3 is optimal, but really stupid.
I had to read over your comment a couple of times to really get it 🤣 Yes indeed! Optimal is not very smart, a lot of the time! 😂
i was gonna say monk is most ridiculous since you can't even open with a tornado kick/lvl 90 attack
I get that! It is kind of annoying that you can't do anything to make sure your burst peaks in the opener, a bit similar to dragoon in that regard since they can't have life of the dragon within the first 30 seconds!
I'm so glad PLD got braindead tbh, it was so annoying before
When I think about it, I feel like the new style gives more options despite being kind of simple, where the old version, due to the strictness of keeping the dot up, left very little creativity! But yeah, absurdly long openers are really awkward!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I agree, long openers kind of remind me of the awkward silence in an elevator. You know it's over soon and everyone is waiting for it in silence.
As cool as PLD melee animation is, I hate the REQ phase Holy Light spam. Should have made that one button ogcd during REQ buff while continuing your melee combo until you get to Blade combo.
Yeah I can see how the Holy Spirit animation is incredibly dull, especially seeing it four times in a row! I guess an alternative solution would be to shine up the character animation for the spell a bit? I think the dull animation is a bit of a carry over from the fact that it used to have a cast time even in Requiescat - Not that I believe that makes it much better, but the start up animation for the cast does make the overall spell look a lot better in my opinion! :-)
The Craziest Opener is Infinite Paradox on BLM literally 70 Spells Long all for the Movement.
It is absolutely bonkers yes! I actually talked about this, alongside a few other wildly ridiculous openers in a normal video length, if you fancy! Although, you of course already know about infinite paradox so maybe not 😊
Either way, here is a link just in case:
ua-cam.com/video/acBb89Th9b8/v-deo.html
Ahh.....The good Ole PLD rotation. 😊
The classic! On the one hand, interesting that you could optimize that much, on the other hand, requiring that much start up just feels so awkward! 😅
I was hoping it wasn't gonna be the Job I thought it was.... I was right and it my main since 2.0
Depending on your relationship with that awkward opener, it could either be a good thing that Paladins don't rely on this crazy Opener anymore!
or a bad thing that the job has simplified the option of such a ridiculous opener completely out of your toolbox!
Whatever it is, if you mained the job consistently since 2.0, I can understand that the rework might've felt very bad😰
Black mage lv90 il645 - swift cast to fire 1 😂 boom 💥
The surprise trick no one sees coming! I bet the boss gets so surprised they die on the spot! 😂
blue mage flute optimal opener is the best weird opener after vomiting the best cds you carefully choose in a way that youd be able to do the maximum amount of damage your ping allows you to do during flute window and then just standing there hitting the guy with the rod until the debuff drops.
Oh yeah the Blue Mage one is crazy! It is a shame when an opener is too compact to the point where some players genuinely cannot do it because of ping though!
Can't even do that, moon flute debuff strips you of literally everything except walking, jumping and interacting with items. So you can't even auto-attack while Waning Nocturne is in effect
@@rugalbernstein5913 Thanks for adding the detail! I couldn't remember if auto attacks were disabled as well, but I did recall that those 15 seconds are just... run and survive!
As a scholar ...guilty
But hey! Lots of damage! 😁
Well that aged well lol
Well, it'll stand to remind us all where we came from! 😂
@@CaetsuChaijiCh this randomly popped up in my feed while doom scrolling to avoid paperwork earlier lol
hey as a sprout is was wondering if openers were really important or i can just continue to …vibe :D ? i’m at stb btw!
Coordinated openers with big lead ups like these are mostly expected to be used specifically in Extremes, Savage and Ultimate content where people use Pull timers and such 🙂
The purpose of an opener is to maximize the damage you can do, and doing so means you perform better. And I imagine a large amount of players both enjoy that kind of growth, and also other players appreciate the effort 😊
But overall doing a PERFECT opener and such is not mandatory or super important outside of really hard content, so you could just vibe as you say 😅😊
To put a more specific example, the point of openers is to make it so if you have a buff that makes you do 10% more damage for 15 seconds, then you put all your best attacks exactly in that 15 second window, and not some other place, because it means you will do way more damage with those attacks at that specific time! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh okay thanks ! i don’t plan on doing savages or extremes right now so i think i’m safe ahah :D thanks for your explanations !
@@cha6985 some jobs can even be a loop of using these skills as well, Paladin being the easiest example of this
A Black Mage casting Ley Lines, then Immediately proccing any instant cast ability.
That is certainly a weird opener! 😅
well ley lines affects gcd so its still utilized
Man i love ninja
Certainly a satisfying job to play! :D
@@CaetsuChaijiCh yeah i know right! :D
It pains me to see that timer going down without dpsing
Yes exactly!
I mean yeah you can blame the developers why they design 2 min buff window
We PLD have to do this just to get buffed version of goring blade.
While DRK is just random Bs go, GNB.... Not gonna talk how complicated current GNB are.
That is true, and given how paladin works in general, it is hard to change this without a major rework of the job itself!
I knew I did my rotation wrong but yikes all of these are crazy! I do only do casual stuff but still... Wow...
Fortunately for the most part these openers with crazy long start ups only really happen in the hardest content with coordination!
But even when doing less hardcore content, there can still be something fun in mastering your job! So if you are interested in that, I do have guides for all jobs on my channel that include everything from starting at level 1 to how to play at level 90 ^^
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I'll have a look. I mean when I play paladin I open with fight or flight sure but go into my standard attack opening with goring blade.
And I never knew people waited with astro! I start with the circle, forgot the name, draw and then spam my one attack with my dot and card when it's available. Then set up my arcana ready to use. Didn't know people just draw and waited.
@@galacticmoonwolf8462 When playing paladin outside of savage raids, you typically just go into the fight or flight as you described - this is also what I showcase in my high level paladin guide in detail.
Astrologians typically draw their card as soon as they get out of the cutscene or loading screen so that the cooldown is started. In savage, you would make sure that the cooldown finishes before pull begins, but outside of this, you just go whenever and the Astrologian has pulled their card as quickly as they can to get the cooldown rolling as quickly as possible. To me it sounds like you have the right idea, just remember that these kinds of openers with a lot of waiting are considered overkill in content that aren't like Ultimates, Savage or extremes! ^^
So it seems you havent heard About the 3 Minute blm nonstandard opener line
It is incredible how specific and detailed BLM openers can get, not to mention how long they tend to be planned out!
I have seen 3 minute long boss specific BLM lines that are absurd in its own right, not to mention the silly infinite paradox one! I talk about both in some capacity in my longer video on the subject if you are interested 🙂
Link to said video: ua-cam.com/video/acBb89Th9b8/v-deo.html
Bruh brings up way past the pull timer on literally everyone but Ninja because ninja's actual opener is 30+inputs
Well, the ninja opener is a bit wild in terms of key presses, but it isn't ridiculous on account of being exactly what you'd think it would be, while the ones I listed are somewhat counter intuitive! 😊 At least in my opinion!
Hah! That's nothing! Check out paradox black mage.
Indeed, infinite paradox is crazy in its own way! I actually talked about that one in a separate video if you are interested 😄
Here is a link just in case: ua-cam.com/video/acBb89Th9b8/v-deo.html
Which top is that in the beginning ? It looks so pretty
If you mean the robe I am wearing, then the particular one in the video is the Level 74 Healer chest piece "Pixie Cotton Robe of Healing", although you may want to include the matching armguards "Atrociraptorskin Armguards of Healing" for the same level. They are both dyed Cherry Pink 😊
There are also Mage Caster and Ranged Physical variants of the same top and armguards at level 68, with the caster one being "Twinsilk Coat of Casting" combined with "Gazelleskin Armguards of Casting".
The Ranged Physical ones are "Twinsilk Robe of Aiming" and "Gazelleskin Armguards of Aiming"
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Wow thank you so much ! ♥️
Depends on your outlook, do you want nice damage or do you want to sandbag your team… 😁😛
That is certainly true! I do think it is a good thing a lot of openers aren't this ridiculous, even when optimized though! 😁
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I do not miss SB NIN opener 😂😂😂😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh but also my opinion on over optimising is very very for it! I used to find it fun just how silly it could get 😂
@@EdgeKisaragi Absolutely! I also love to look at how wild optimization can become, but if you have to do those wild things over and over again while progressing an already difficult fight it might become a little less fun! 😅
Youre telling me you DONT look at pally rotations as a dance between magic spam and zero-brain sword buffs?
I mean after the rework those two things have sort of combined 😊
Not black mages 1300 different openers? Interesting.
I actually talk more about Black Mage's absurd openers (and Infinite Paradox) in a separate longer video if you are interested ^^
A link to it here: ua-cam.com/video/acBb89Th9b8/v-deo.html
I hate to be that guy but uhhh, you should use requiescat for only the confiteor combo (requescat boosts it’s damage potency)
This video is from before the Paladin Rework.
Before the rework, Requiescat boosted your next 5 spells, and Confiteor specifically consumed all remaining stacks of Requiescat, which meant you should use Holy Spirit 4 times, and then Confiteor
I'm curious as a paladin. Did this change or get updated yet?
This was changed with the rework, so this opener has not been used in a while, fortunately!!
@@CaetsuChaijiCh fortunately? So it's better?
It's a lot simpler at least. You have no pre pull timer needed really, and the rotation is very intuitive. I made a guide for level 90 paladins that is updated to the current version if you are interested, it includes the opener and everything you need to understand it! 😁
Link to that: ua-cam.com/video/3Yz4J0YPXZo/v-deo.html
I dont really care to optimize every opener perfect everytime. I just have fun and play the game. to much stress going for perfection constantly . I get whatever the current end game content is you have to be perfect but the rest of the game not so much. I mean at least I haven't had any issues really lol
Outside of extreme and savage content, you probably don't need an effective opener, primarily since there isn't a strict time limit on each attempt (like enrage timers). Ultimates are really where perfection can sometimes be required. But yeah if you are mainly focusing on more casual content, then optimized openers are more for the fun of it for those that like it 😊
Why activate a buff just to wait out the timer? Correct me if i'm wrong, just seems like a massive waste to me. (I'm new)
That is a perfectly valid question! And in fact, EXACTLY why it is a ridiculous opener! Let me explain - first by explaining the rotation of the paladin:
The paladin rotation at max level, in broad strokes, involves using physical attacks during the effect of Fight or Flight for 25 seconds. The most powerful attack in that sequence is Goring Blade, a damage over time effect that lasts 21 seconds, and if applied with Fight or Flight active, will do 25% more damage for its full duration. Hence, you apply it at the start and end of the buff.
Afterwards, you use Requiescat, which initiates the "magic burst" part of the rotation, which lasts around 20 seconds, and ends with applying a magical version of the Goring Blade debuff (the same effect, so you cant have both). Then for about 15 seconds you do the physical rotation again, just with no buff because Fight or Flight has a 60 second cooldown - this is called the downtime phase. Once Fight or Flight readies again, you start over.
THIS WEIRD OPENER, starts by casting Fight or Flight and just waiting for 18 seconds, such that you finish by applying Goring Blade (the best part of the Fight or Flight buff) and immediately jumping into the Magic Burst (Which is the more powerful part of the paladin rotation). And because you waited 18 seconds, what follows after the magic burst is 15 seconds of downtime, and then you can go back into Fight or Flight as normal. The particular reason why it is so important to get into the magic burst right then and there is because raid teams tend to use damage boosting raid buffs about 7 seconds into the fight (meaning right around when you apply Goring Blade and then go into the magic burst)
So there is logic to the opener doing this, it just looks ridiculous, and feels ridiculous too! I hope this makes sense, otherwise you are of course welcome to ask any follow up questions! 😊
@@CaetsuChaijiCh no, no it doesnt make any sense to me 🥴 cant you just doing anything besides stand around and wait out the timer?? 😶
@@slikkvic7611 Well, in hard content at max level, it is quite common to use a pull timer, which means there is a count down before the battle begins effectively. So if there is, say, 30 seconds countdown before the fight begins, you simply use Fight or Flight when the timer says 18 to prepare yourself to do the most damage you can when the timer says 0.
Hypothetically you could do whatever you want when you wait for the pull timer to count down, as long as it doesn't involve hitting the boss or pulling it 😊 In MOST content, this kind of ridiculous start up to a fight is completely unneccessary and it is only used in extremes, savage and ultimate. Depending on how new you are to the game you may recognize some of these, but overall it means in regularly accessible content, you will not see this preemptive cast of Fight or Flight at all 😅
@@CaetsuChaijiCh im starting to get into extremes, if that's any indication of my progression. I dont play them as a regular thing, but i am knocking them out when i feel like it.
@@slikkvic7611 I should clarify that I mainly was thinking of level 90 Extremes, but I could imagine it is not entirely unheard of to see pulltimers and things like that in level 50 extremes 😊 Typically pulltimers are only really used in content where you use the party finder (not to be confused with the Duty finder that automatically matches you with people)
Wing it.
The ultimate opener! Just click stuff! Honestly, I find for some jobs it is actually harder to wing it than to try and do something systematic! :D
Damn I miss old PLD, in the period just before having to do the 18 sec pre pull for optimal damage, when both your physical and magic phases felt intentional and powerful, with some mutual DoT management built in. It felt like the perfect amount of complexity for a tank job to have for its dps rotation, not just a hell of a lot of stuff to press on cooldown every minute and then back to 123 filler like now and with GNB/DRK.
I feel like the only reason PLD suffered in EW was the 2 minute meta, given that it was more sustained constant damage than burst based like every other job except BLM. Felt like a perfect expansion on how it played in ShB, but now it’s on the list of once great jobs I’ve all but dropped, right below SMN.
Yeah I get that! It's a shame that paladin was reworked to fit better in the burst meta, rather than adjusted so that it's more sustained damage style was functional in this burst centric meta 😔
But paladin isn't 123 spam ever... what are you talking about haha. During periods of no cooldowns available, PLD has to do 1234445 with atonement and holy spirit, and using that holy spirit optimally (IE saving for when you know you will be out of range for a GCD) can change the order significantly. You can even go 1234441253. Sometimes even 1234512443. PLD is way more interesting than other tanks in downtime. There's more nuance now with going into burst windows making sure that you have a holy spirit ready +2 atonements so that you don't use fast blade or riot blade in FoF.