Demoing a John Deere 450M round baler from Cazenovia Equipment. Running the baler with a John Deere 4250. #farming #balinghay #hay #roundbales #johndeere #countryliving #farmlife
We ran new holland balers for years and the last 450 we had was total junk. Bought a Kuhn 2 years ago and couldnt be happier. I would reccomend doing a demo. They are great balers
Good job.. for first time round baling.. 😊. The baler looks really smart.. just remember when your up in the hay loft to look out for people below before dropping one of those round bales down 😉🤣. Can't wait to see the other balers your thinking about.. but obviously the supplier/parts is a big factor for making your choice.. stay safe sir 🏴
When we Creased row cropping Cotton and Peanuts and converted to Hay,,,,, Everything concerned was purchased New, We traded a striptill planter rig for a 450 silage special J D Baler exactly like the one purchased............. That was 6 years ago, the 2 original balers were sold, replaced with a 450 M and a 450R of which the 450R has been sold and the M is for sale........ Being replaced with 3- 190 XT krones........Simply because of the location of the Wide Green Band on the bales would cause confusion on the unroller table of the Rebaling opertion! We can use a more narrow width of Cover-Edge...which we buy from Deere.... by the 16-roll pallet....
We only baled about 96 bales with one at the end of last year.... On your 6101 PEQUEA Tedder, have you checked the operating linkage mounting and bushings that locks and unlocks the cart support wheels in the transport position ? Ours has eaten up the plastic bushings and the triangular swing and washer cut the rollpin, causing it to drop down, when it was folded or unfolded it bent the 1 1/4 pivot rod bolted to frame to bend rearward on both sides ??? I had to remove and use a shop press to straightnen,,,,,,, I replaced the bushings with 11/2 od,x11/4 id x11/4 long Bronze bushings ordered from Mcmaster- Carr..... Drilled and tapped for a 1/4x28 thread, extended zerk fitting, also ordered from Mcmaster Carr and loosened the mounting bolts to allow the sliding wheel lock some up and down movement,,, I have removed both axles to remove anti-wrap disc so a standard 6 hole 15 in implement rim and tire will work.....
One thing we found to do on those balers is to turn the jack around. Seems a few operators have jack knifed the baler while backing up and the bottom edge of the jack can put some nasty cuts in your rear tire > view 15:17 . Never used a flap in front of the hitch pin. Never had any problem with it. I imagine in days gone by a long hitch pin would ball up hay but this one will never do that. I've seen ours kick out a bale every 30 seconds on big fast windrows. You would have to stand on the brakes, dump and haul butt.
Someday I would be thrilled to demo a round baler. If we don't get some rain it won't even matter. The second crop as of now does not exist. I like the set up Sonne Farms has with the three bale collector. That is very handy for picking up bales later. Did we see an appearance of your 3010 raking?? Sure looked like it.
Not bad for a rookie (I think I already told you that). Did a fantastic job and looked sharp on the 4255. One thing I don’t miss about my Deere was backing up every bale. My NH has a kicker so I can just stop, tie the bale and drop it, then keep baling. Only time I back up is if I’m on a hill (I’ve lost two bales so far😂). I think a kicker is optional on Deere balers. Other thing I noticed was how many grease fittings are on the NH vs. my old Deere. There seems to be a lot more rollers on the NH. I should have patented the rubber belt idea, would’ve made hundreds of dollars.
This one has a bale ramp but they unintentionally left it off when it was in the shop. My salesman wasn't too thrilled about that when he noticed it. I had a couple that I kicked out that my dad said made him nervous but luckily none got away
@@mikep7810 I dropped one this year after I purposely backed up to a spot I thought was level, looked back and said “Where’s the bale?”. There was a 4’ hole in the tree line where the bale rolled. It’s still there.
Nice video. Look forward to your next demo. I run an RB450 and love the front wrap because you can see it move. Yeah there’s a sensor but I had wrap fail on my old Vermeer and dumped a mess on the ground so I love to see it’s going on the bale. Consider pre-bale maintenance and ease of hooking to tractor as part of your demo next time. More to baling than going round a field😉
Our Baling routine basically follows the same thru all the operationns....... We open the field with 6 rounds around the Perimeter, to give us turning room....... then starting on one side, cut the remainder in "lands" about 60 ft wide useing GPS with Auto steer
Them john deere balers can eat some hay. I had one of the silage specials and I loved it. Super tight bales and the net wrap was great. John Deere and New Holland are the two best in my opinion.
I would consider a Vermeer, I have a 504 pro silage special ! I bale 9-10 miles/hour per bale!! I have a Deere 4050 MFD PS usually run10 th gear while baling!!
I like the net up front. Slightly harder to load but can watch it go on every bale. I know there are sensors but like seeing it wrap correctly with my own eyes
The John Deere balers I ran we put a camera system mounted on back of baler so you could watch the net wrap to make sure it didn't mess up or you could catch it if it did and rewrap
Brilliant job baling the two main things watch where you let bale out and make sure back shut before carrying on that's a freat idea net in back looks so easy mines at front on top its a right pain but will do about 280 bales hopefully you can try others All the best 👌👍👍
Mike I love my older 466 I run it w/ my 2940 in either 5hi er 6low kinda surprised that 1 doesn't have the spring loaded bale bar to make the bale roll away from the bailer...my 466 has that...But still a very nice Bailer.
Actually demoed a John Deere 450m last year and a New Holland rb450 and don't get me wrong I like the deer bailer but I would definitely demo a New Holland as well....me personally I ended up with the New Holland... I liked there header a lot better than the Deer but that was just my preference and I thought the New Holland was lot better of a bailer in wet hay than the Deer but again just my preference.... Is to its own deer bailers aren't bad but I would just be open to trying other brands 👍👍👍👍
The baler needs a kicker bar on it. The farm I helped on had a NH 7060 , in heavy windrows would make a bale about every 2.5 to 3 minutes with a higher travel speed!
I have ran both 458 and 459 basically same setup as that just little older I liked both pulled with 7810 or 6320 which was nice with left hand reverser. Also used a NH 654 net wrap had to be loaded from the front little harder to get your bale started I prefer the John Deere round balers just my opinion.
Great video… I like round bailing but the only thing I didn’t like about it was that you couldn’t….. can’t drive straight. I always had to dance from edge to edge within the windrow to make an even bale.
Demo some others Mike. Don't get hung up on the first one you try. We went with Kubota in 2015 it made the hardest bale. Things have likely changed since then. Plus get one with knives
Mike I know you are john deere people but may I suggest you try a massey Ferguson round baler I think you would like it and the price difference is crazy
We have a 450M. I can’t believe the dealer ship didn’t spec that out with a bale ramp. Which I understand if ya do t want it. But u would be money ahead.
They did, it was left off accidently when it was in the shop. My salesman wasn't too thrilled when it was hooking things up and noticed they didn't put it on.
We traded for a 460m had a claas 380r roto-cut. The netwrap on the deere is so much better in my opinion. I joked its kinda borin now baling cause u just grease and oil the chains, put powder on the netwrap roll and drive just tgat simple.
I upgraded to a Caseih RB 454, once I understood the monitor functions , my efficiency increased. Did this one have a auger in the pickup head? Baling on a side hill is always fun!!
Hey Mike how is it going, that baler would be fitting in youre operation fine i think, what would be the cost of such a machine since john deere is settled in the usa it should be less as we have to pay overhere in europe anyways still follow youre channel Mike, thanks and greetings from a Dutch dairyfarmer
Try a Claus they are nice and reliable and if want do silage they have real good chopper and heavey built. Silage plays hard on baler if you have silos your better just get good used unit
not sure how you are going to store these bales but when i was working on the farm i had the chance to work with both large squares and round bales and i much rather deal with large squares over rounds any day just saying you have to go with what you know and the pocket book will let you do in the end
@@mikep7810 It would not stop wrapping some times and you couldn't see it. I would hope the newer computer tells you it is wrapping. Mine didn't. It made a really nice bale. It would be easier to load net, but you only need a roll every 250 bale's or so. Sorry I just don't think much of Caz equipment up here.
@@mikep7810 oh, I thought it was a New Holland and that’s why I was curious because I’ve had guys say the Deere doesn’t pack the bales as tight. I demoed a New Holland back when I had the cows and it made a really nice tight bale I never did run a John Deere.
@TheGrumpyFarmer We had a neighbor swing by and round bale a few bales for us to finish a field and he had a new holland. That made a nice tight bale too. The John Deere made a nice bale just not what the claas makes. I am excited to see how a kuhn does.
I don't mind square baling, its stacking them in the hay mow that gets old fast. This was my first time ever round baling but I liked doing that too. I can definitely bale faster making round bales
The bale ramp was unintentionally left off this baler when it was in the shop. I wanted to make sure I got it away from the baler. Not to mention I was on a hill so a lot of times I backed up to a place where the bales wouldn't roll away. If I just dropped them where the baler beeped at me a bunch would have rolled away
@@mikep7810 Bare with me on this, would it be easier if you used the bigger square baler? Just curious cause we just had the smaller square baler. The bigger square balers wouldn’t roll away so it might be easier to use.
@@mikep7810 Ours use to be be excellent as well when it was locally owned, it was sold to the corporate agency “Brandts” out of Canada, they cut costs for profit and lost all their experienced staff, the turn over of staff is incredible, you don’t know if you’ll get the person you ordered parts from 3 days earlier, the culture change was immediate and negative impacting support, warranty, service and replacement parts. The lack of leadership and management is just as much of a problem as the lack of technical training and experience. We’re selling all our JD harvest equipment after this season and replacing it with an agent that offers support and customer service.
Mike much success and health to you and all your family a big hug from Burley Idaho🚜👍💪✌️😁
Thank you Carlos. Same to you
We ran new holland balers for years and the last 450 we had was total junk. Bought a Kuhn 2 years ago and couldnt be happier. I would reccomend doing a demo. They are great balers
I have a Kuhn coming soon to demo. I'm really looking forward to it
Well done baling ! looks like a nice compact and simple to operate baler. nice !
Its definitely a nice, simple baler
Doing a nice job. Those bales look nice and even. good video.
Thank you. Not bad for a rookie
Good job.. for first time round baling.. 😊. The baler looks really smart.. just remember when your up in the hay loft to look out for people below before dropping one of those round bales down 😉🤣. Can't wait to see the other balers your thinking about.. but obviously the supplier/parts is a big factor for making your choice.. stay safe sir 🏴
Thank you Ian
When we Creased row cropping Cotton and Peanuts and converted to Hay,,,,, Everything concerned was purchased New, We traded a striptill planter rig for a 450 silage special J D Baler exactly like the one purchased............. That was 6 years ago, the 2 original balers were sold, replaced with a 450 M and a 450R of which the 450R has been sold and the M is for sale........ Being replaced with 3- 190 XT krones........Simply because of the location of the Wide Green Band on the bales would cause confusion on the unroller table of the Rebaling opertion! We can use a more narrow width of Cover-Edge...which we buy from Deere.... by the 16-roll pallet....
I heard those Krones are nice balers
We only baled about 96 bales with one at the end of last year.... On your 6101 PEQUEA Tedder, have you checked the operating linkage mounting and bushings that locks and unlocks the cart support wheels in the transport position ? Ours has eaten up the plastic bushings and the triangular swing and washer cut the rollpin, causing it to drop down, when it was folded or unfolded it bent the 1 1/4 pivot rod bolted to frame to bend rearward on both sides ??? I had to remove and use a shop press to straightnen,,,,,,, I replaced the bushings with 11/2 od,x11/4 id x11/4 long Bronze bushings ordered from Mcmaster- Carr..... Drilled and tapped for a 1/4x28 thread, extended zerk fitting, also ordered from Mcmaster Carr and loosened the mounting bolts to allow the sliding wheel lock some up and down movement,,, I have removed both axles to remove anti-wrap disc so a standard 6 hole 15 in implement rim and tire will work.....
Definitely try the NH! And if you feed in rings or put hay in a TMR, look at the processor knife option. Much less waste in rings.👍🚜
I plan on trying one
Massey is making some excellent hay equipment these days. If you haven't made your decision you should demo one of their balers
I definitely haven't made a decision yet. I will look into that one while we demo others
Another great vid!
Thank you Gene
One thing we found to do on those balers is to turn the jack around. Seems a few operators have jack knifed the baler while backing up and the bottom edge of the jack can put some nasty cuts in your rear tire > view 15:17 . Never used a flap in front of the hitch pin. Never had any problem with it. I imagine in days gone by a long hitch pin would ball up hay but this one will never do that. I've seen ours kick out a bale every 30 seconds on big fast windrows. You would have to stand on the brakes, dump and haul butt.
Thanks for the advice
What an upgrade for your farm. Hope it works out for you. You've been throwing small squares for many years.
Thank you. Hopefully we can try some others and find one we like
Someday I would be thrilled to demo a round baler. If we don't get some rain it won't even matter. The second crop as of now does not exist. I like the set up Sonne Farms has with the three bale collector. That is very handy for picking up bales later. Did we see an appearance of your 3010 raking?? Sure looked like it.
Good eye Anthony. We had the old 3010 out raking
Not bad for a rookie (I think I already told you that).
Did a fantastic job and looked sharp on the 4255. One thing I don’t miss about my Deere was backing up every bale. My NH has a kicker so I can just stop, tie the bale and drop it, then keep baling. Only time I back up is if I’m on a hill (I’ve lost two bales so far😂). I think a kicker is optional on Deere balers.
Other thing I noticed was how many grease fittings are on the NH vs. my old Deere. There seems to be a lot more rollers on the NH.
I should have patented the rubber belt idea, would’ve made hundreds of dollars.
This one has a bale ramp but they unintentionally left it off when it was in the shop. My salesman wasn't too thrilled about that when he noticed it. I had a couple that I kicked out that my dad said made him nervous but luckily none got away
@@mikep7810 I dropped one this year after I purposely backed up to a spot I thought was level, looked back and said “Where’s the bale?”. There was a 4’ hole in the tree line where the bale rolled. It’s still there.
Nice video. Look forward to your next demo. I run an RB450 and love the front wrap because you can see it move. Yeah there’s a sensor but I had wrap fail on my old Vermeer and dumped a mess on the ground so I love to see it’s going on the bale. Consider pre-bale maintenance and ease of hooking to tractor as part of your demo next time. More to baling than going round a field😉
Glad you enjoyed the video. I'm excited to demo more balers to be able to compare them
Our Baling routine basically follows the same thru all the operationns....... We open the field with 6 rounds around the Perimeter, to give us turning room....... then starting on one side, cut the remainder in "lands" about 60 ft wide useing GPS with Auto steer
Them john deere balers can eat some hay. I had one of the silage specials and I loved it. Super tight bales and the net wrap was great. John Deere and New Holland are the two best in my opinion.
I would consider a Vermeer, I have a 504 pro silage special ! I bale 9-10 miles/hour per bale!! I have a Deere 4050 MFD PS usually run10 th gear while baling!!
I'm hoping to check out the New Holland
thank you
Thank you
I like the net up front. Slightly harder to load but can watch it go on every bale. I know there are sensors but like seeing it wrap correctly with my own eyes
The John Deere balers I ran we put a camera system mounted on back of baler so you could watch the net wrap to make sure it didn't mess up or you could catch it if it did and rewrap
I plan on trying some balers with the net in the front
Nice baler Mike would make a great addition if it fits all the criteria
Thanks Paul
Brilliant job baling the two main things watch where you let bale out and make sure back shut before carrying on that's a freat idea net in back looks so easy mines at front on top its a right pain but will do about 280 bales hopefully you can try others
All the best 👌👍👍
Thank you. It was nice to be able to round bale
No bale kicker!?!?!?!?
Mike I love my older 466 I run it w/ my 2940 in either 5hi er 6low kinda surprised that 1 doesn't have the spring loaded bale bar to make the bale roll away from the bailer...my 466 has that...But still a very nice Bailer.
Thanks Chris. Its supposed to have a bale ramp but they unintentionally left if off when they were putting it together
JD are really good in corn stocks. But make sure you try others for the experience. Great video Mike.
Thanks Daniel. We have some other demos lined up
Actually demoed a John Deere 450m last year and a New Holland rb450 and don't get me wrong I like the deer bailer but I would definitely demo a New Holland as well....me personally I ended up with the New Holland... I liked there header a lot better than the Deer but that was just my preference and I thought the New Holland was lot better of a bailer in wet hay than the Deer but again just my preference.... Is to its own deer bailers aren't bad but I would just be open to trying other brands 👍👍👍👍
I agree 100%
Thanks. I plan on Demoing a couple different balers to try
The baler needs a kicker bar on it. The farm I helped on had a NH 7060 , in heavy windrows would make a bale about every 2.5 to 3 minutes with a higher travel speed!
They forgot to put the bale ramp on it when they had it in the shop. The salesman wasn't too happy to find that out
My one bit of advice get a round baler with a drop floor worth every penny will save so much time if you ever plugged the thing.
Thanks for the advice
I have ran both 458 and 459 basically same setup as that just little older I liked both pulled with 7810 or 6320 which was nice with left hand reverser. Also used a NH 654 net wrap had to be loaded from the front little harder to get your bale started I prefer the John Deere round balers just my opinion.
Thanks William
Look like you really got the hang of it good job
I started going a little faster as I got the hang of it.
@@mikep7810 that good hope you have a good crop year
Great video… I like round bailing but the only thing I didn’t like about it was that you couldn’t….. can’t drive straight. I always had to dance from edge to edge within the windrow to make an even bale.
Thanks Rick. Once I started getting the hang of it, it wasn't too bad
Demo some others Mike. Don't get hung up on the first one you try. We went with Kubota in 2015 it made the hardest bale. Things have likely changed since then. Plus get one with knives
We plan doing other demos. I got another one coming soon and I hope to have another one lined up after that
Mike I know you are john deere people but may I suggest you try a massey Ferguson round baler I think you would like it and the price difference is crazy
Thank you Roger. I am a John Deere tractor guy but I plan on trying out a couple different ones
We have a 450M. I can’t believe the dealer ship didn’t spec that out with a bale ramp. Which I understand if ya do t want it. But u would be money ahead.
They did, it was left off accidently when it was in the shop. My salesman wasn't too thrilled when it was hooking things up and noticed they didn't put it on.
@@mikep7810
That’s great. You will love it!!! That 450M is a beast. We loves ours!!!!
What No bale kicker. That would help you so you don’t have to back up when your bale is full. That’s an option you definitely need
They work great on flat ground. Bale kickers suck it your on hills
This unit has a bale ramp but it didn't get put on when they put it together. It would come with one if we bought it
We traded for a 460m had a claas 380r roto-cut. The netwrap on the deere is so much better in my opinion. I joked its kinda borin now baling cause u just grease and oil the chains, put powder on the netwrap roll and drive just tgat simple.
My buddy has a claas 360 and that thing makes a great bale
I upgraded to a Caseih RB 454, once I understood the monitor functions , my efficiency increased. Did this one have a auger in the pickup head? Baling on a side hill is always fun!!
I think it did. I'd have to go back up to the dealership and take a look at it to be sure. Yeah baling on a side hill for the first time round baling!
@@mikep7810 mine is supposed to be the same as a NH 7060, was a used one to Whites in Franklin.
Hey Mike how is it going, that baler would be fitting in youre operation fine i think, what would be the cost of such a machine since john deere is settled in the usa it should be less as we have to pay overhere in europe anyways still follow youre channel Mike, thanks and greetings from a Dutch dairyfarmer
Thanks Menno
Try the new holland baler. Have had both deere and new holland. I prefer the new holland
I plan on trying a new holland
Try a Claus they are nice and reliable and if want do silage they have real good chopper and heavey built. Silage plays hard on baler if you have silos your better just get good used unit
not sure how you are going to store these bales but when i was working on the farm i had the chance to work with both large squares and round bales and i much rather deal with large squares over rounds any day just saying you have to go with what you know and the pocket book will let you do in the end
Thanks Matt. The rounds work better for our operation
John deer baler for a John deer tractor that makes a good combo
It definitely looked nice together
Doesn t Deere make these round balers to unload the bales in the rows instead of having to back up?
I believe thats an option not standard equipment
We need to do that mudflap on our round baler. I like square baling just because its easier for me to see whats going on
It was good to be able to do both. Square baling you don't have to worry about the bale rolling away from you
i want to see you throwing those bales in the hay loft just kidding nice machine
Yeah I definitely don't want to be throwing these bales around
Had a JD for a while, good baler, net wrap on the back was the worst.
What did you not like about it? It looks easier to load then the others
@@mikep7810 It would not stop wrapping some times and you couldn't see it. I would hope the newer computer tells you it is wrapping. Mine didn't. It made a really nice bale. It would be easier to load net, but you only need a roll every 250 bale's or so. Sorry I just don't think much of Caz equipment up here.
In sweden most common roundbaler iś a combi both roundbaler and wrapper in the same mashine is it common in usá hello from sweden
I've seen a few of them over here but in my area is basically just the round balers
How’s it compare to the New Holland that you’ve had at the farm before
I think you mean a Claas. My buddy Dusty that usually bales for us has a Claas 360. The Claas makes a nicer, tighter bale
@@mikep7810 oh, I thought it was a New Holland and that’s why I was curious because I’ve had guys say the Deere doesn’t pack the bales as tight. I demoed a New Holland back when I had the cows and it made a really nice tight bale I never did run a John Deere.
@TheGrumpyFarmer We had a neighbor swing by and round bale a few bales for us to finish a field and he had a new holland. That made a nice tight bale too. The John Deere made a nice bale just not what the claas makes. I am excited to see how a kuhn does.
Mike i Take it when you back up an off the side is it due to the slope of the field?
Yeah. I wanted to make sure it didn't roll away or even roll into the next row
@@mikep7810 ,👍🏿👍🏿
Nh450 is quite a bit better in my opinion, better pickup, better netwrap, bale ejector ramp vs nothing you gotta backup, makes nicer looking bale.
I do plan on checking out the New Holland baler. This one had the bale ramp but it didn't get put on
witch baler do you like best round or square bales
I don't mind square baling, its stacking them in the hay mow that gets old fast. This was my first time ever round baling but I liked doing that too. I can definitely bale faster making round bales
Let us know which baler you decide to go with.
I definitely will
Had a deere, now have a vermeer, twice as heavy, costs less and repairs are less
I'm looking forward to trying some other balers
Just wondering how many acres your family farm
Around 350 but we are looking to pick up more
Wondering why you backed away from the windrow to drop each finished bale. Hay farmers down here just stop drop the bale and continue on.
The bale ramp was unintentionally left off this baler when it was in the shop. I wanted to make sure I got it away from the baler. Not to mention I was on a hill so a lot of times I backed up to a place where the bales wouldn't roll away. If I just dropped them where the baler beeped at me a bunch would have rolled away
I was thinking the same thing!
make them throw in a bale ram you'll be glad you did!
This one has one but the guys forgot to put it on when they had it in the shop. My salesman wasn't too thrilled to see that
Buy a mchale fixed chamber baler , no belts to give trouble and they are a great baler
I plan on Demoing a couple others. I don't think I will demo a Mchale
Why do you have to back up so much? It doesn’t seem efficient?
I never round baled before and I didn't want the bales to get away from me on the hill. I'm sure with more seat time I'll be more efficient
@@mikep7810 Bare with me on this, would it be easier if you used the bigger square baler? Just curious cause we just had the smaller square baler. The bigger square balers wouldn’t roll away so it might be easier to use.
@@glenkellner9936 The large squares are a lot more money than the round balers
Nice baler , needs something to kick the bale out of the way when its been ejected .
This baler has a bale ramp that goes with it. It unintentionally got left off it when it was in the shop. My salesman wasn't too thrilled about that
If you bale on hills you’ll not want a bale kicker. Personally I like John Deere over other balers
Thanks Jeff. It was a nice baler. Definitely wanna check out some other brands
Ramp???
It was suppose to have one but it never got delivered with the baler.
Price?
That baler was 50 grand
Buy a baler that has experienced technicians local to you, JD around me are incompetent at diagnosis and repair.
We are very fortunate that our JD dealership has a great service department.
@@mikep7810 Ours use to be be excellent as well when it was locally owned, it was sold to the corporate agency “Brandts” out of Canada, they cut costs for profit and lost all their experienced staff, the turn over of staff is incredible, you don’t know if you’ll get the person you ordered parts from 3 days earlier, the culture change was immediate and negative impacting support, warranty, service and replacement parts. The lack of leadership and management is just as much of a problem as the lack of technical training and experience.
We’re selling all our JD harvest equipment after this season and replacing it with an agent that offers support and customer service.