Hey guys! Thanks for being patient with uploads. My editor and me are trying to upload at least once a week, so stay tuned for that! @ 11:55, there is an error with the 2200G results. Correct results are as follows: Avg: 76.3 1% Low: 61
That section of the CSGO benchmark with the smoke can draw a GTX 1060 to its knees in lowest settings. There is something about not just the smoke but amount of characters behind of it that draws all GPUs crazy. I had no idea you could still OC the iGPU on this thing. I know what I am going to be doing for the next few days, it might be a great video topic! Edit: Also important to note, if you live in a place with prices close to advertised retail priced, yeah the difference with the 2200G might not seem like much but since prices scale differently on other countries there are interesting case studies where the difference stop making as much sense!
It's interesting because $50 for double performance seems like a no brainer, but when $50 is 1/5th of your entire budget, it makes a big difference :P. Thanks for watching! I have some very early iGPU overclocking benchmarks, but I'd love to see an in depth analysis on the matter. Let me know how it goes and if you need any help :)
You are right about the prices. In India, it is still a better option to buy 2200G, atleast for me. 200GE here is selling for 68$ and 2200G is selling for 106$.
Adrians Netlis True. But the argument could be made that the athlon with a $60 used gpu will outperform the 2200g on vega 8. Yeah the quadcore is faster but for gaming at this level the gpu is almost always the bottleneck. I could see an argument for both products depending on current needs and future upgrade plans. Love this channel how he compares stuff to help us decide which route to take
You'd probably be pretty hard-pressed to find a used videocard that handily bests the 2200G for $60. Your best option is hoping to find a used 1030, but it's a sigegrade at best, and you can basically guarantee someone overclocked it, if they're already unloading it. If you're considering used, you could just get an entire Haswell system for $300 with random gaming card that would blow this away as well.
Well, back in May of this year OZ did a video of brand new 750ti 2gb cards (not scam) being sold on Ali express for $60. the 750ti 2gb stomps the 1030, 2200g, and 2400g no problem. On Ebay used rx550 frequently go for $60 - $70 (including shipping) and beat the 2200g when paired with a modern cpu. Local markets like craigs list and facebook marketplace can occasionally have good deals on old hardware. One guy I saw just sold a RX 560 4gb nearby for $50. (I missed it I was too slow) Not everyone wants the risk and/or has the time to buy used hardware but it can be an option.
@@evers6214 RX 560 4GB for $50? Now that's a bargain. However, I believe that getting 2200G and then later saving up for GPU is optimal at those budgets.
If I were running things at AMD I would start with a Samsung 8nm die with two enhanced Athlon cores connected by on-die Infinity Fabric. Each of the two “CCX” modules would have 2 CPU cores with Hyperthreading and Vega 8 graphics. The Ryzen 3 3100GX could have 4 fully functional CPU cores, 2 cores per module, with each module having Vega 7 graphics (one CU per module disabled) with the two Vega 7 GPUs in Crossfire mode. The Ryzen 3100G could have 4 CPU cores with Hyperthreading disabled and dual Vega 5 graphics in Crossfire mode. By severing the die in two across the on-die Infinity Fabric link, two Athlon 300GE parts with single channel DDR4 memory buses would be produced. These Athlon 300GE cores could be clock locked at 3.6 GHz with Vega 5 graphics. With the introduction of the Samsung 7nm process the Ryzen 3 3200G/3200GX cores could be introduced, with 8 CPU cores and Navi 10/15 graphics (Navi 16 with 6 or 1 CUs disabled). The 8nm parts could then all be Athlon 350GE parts with unlocked cores and Vega 6 graphics. If Zen 2 really does yield 13% higher IPC, and Samsung’s 8nm process yields a 25% increase in clock, this could result in Athlon 300GE having over 100% higher CPU performance and 93.75% of the graphics performance of Ryzen 3 2200g, with the main limitation being single channel DDR4 memory. Having said this, Ryzen 3 3200GX would have twice the CPU cores and a higher clock, as well as 2.5 times the GPU CU count, with Navi graphics instead of Vega, with just twice the memory bandwidth with dual channel memory. So dual channel Ryzen 3 3200GX would be even more bandwidth limited than Athlon 350GE.
Ozi, you and I both know a belt won't do anything for you when building a PC. You have to use a silicon "Live Strong" band ensure maximum safety while handling electrically sensitive components.
Lame joke, I've used Chrome on DDR2, and I'm not joking in my guest room I have an Athlon II X4 635 @2.9Ghz with 8GB of DDR2 800Mhz RAM, an XFX AMD R7 240 2GB GPU on an MSI AM2+ motherboard, and a 250GB WD HDD(had it laying around in the parts bin) inside a $18 Rosewill case with 120mm front fan, and 80mm rear fan all power by an Allied 350watt PSU(system draw according to my kill a watt meter only spiked at 121watts for like 3 sec at boot), My os is Xubuntu 18.04 64bit and with STEAM installed I can actually play some games like Sonic Mania at 1080p, and a lot of games at 720p, and Chrome runs just fine even with dual monitors running 2 1080p streams from Hulu, and my RAM usage is rarely above 4GB.
Christian Edrich Prices will go back to normal once the world's regulatory agencies grow a backbone and go after the die manufacturers for price fixing (which is the entire reason for the high prices - they're colluding to charge that much across the competition, so everyone make more money, at the consumer's expense)
I really like videos with new, low budget, hardware. Not everyone can buy a 2700x or 9900k like some people think. Any way we can get a part 2 with a 2400g comparison?
That's part of what I hate about physical retail stores. I don't have a Microcenter within a 4hr one way drive from my house. But for example I needed a new cable modem asap so looked up prices for Walmart and have 2 within 10 mins(15 if traffic is bad) of each other and there was a $12 dollar difference on the exact same Linksys modem from one Walmart to the other simply because that higher priced Walmart is near a hospital, smaller community college, and upper middle class suburb. it's all bullshit!
I suggest that you offset the camera. And don't talk Head on. As liked the opening scene. An off set angle (liked in a selfie 🤳 off by 6 to nine degrees is better.😂🤗 The video looked better from 9:00 😎
I was going to make a comment about a lack of ESD protection.....then you whip out a belt...never saw that before and I am a retired technician for NCR and I have repaired thousands of PCB's....good job....love your voice!
imgur.com/gallery/7dpQiim - I cannot determine how many of them there are because they are stacked in the same spot inside of each other, as seen in the screenshot.
Stumbled across your channel and this video. Good quality stuff. Everybody focuses on the other channels for big benches, it's good to see some real life testing going on, as well. This is how people get into the hobby!
Man its been awhile since I watched from your channel but my interest on the ATHLON 200GE made UA-cam to lead back to you. Your presentation has become better too. Excellent job man keep up the good work!
Hey Ozzie, just thought you should know I have recommended your UA-cam channel to all the senior citizens I am teaching how to build their own less than $300 builds. I only charge them $20 to cover the cost of hand out materials and building materials. Thanks for all the great videos
I recently sold a build with that case, and the thing just doesn't get fresh air into the chassis at all. For the life of me, I don't know why case manufacturers can't give us even some small mesh openings in the front of some of these budget cases. *end rant* xD
It should work given you have proper negative pressure in the case. I've seen much worse where there's no intake hole at all. For that, I drilled some holes in the 5in drive Bay covers :) now no more overheating. Personally I'm a bigger fan of Cougar cases for lowend, they got a matx tower thats has a full mesh in front you can install with 2 intake fans for 25usd or 15usd for clones :)
For parts that aren't hot to begin with like the 200GE, I'm sure it's definitely fine with that exhaust. I'd be very curious to see something like a 2600 and an RX 580 in there.
I'm not sure. It might just be easier for them to make a flat plastic front panel or maybe they think the current trend is very flat front panels (which seems true in many more premium cases). Regardless, give me some mesh on those things lol
I remember getting the RipJaws V RAM just like that @3200MHz. The problem was they weren't on the venders compatibility list for my 2200G APU build and it kept crashing.
I liked and enjoyed your review. I found this video on Google and your honesty up front was very refreshing and I enjoyed how you brought your content to us, the audience. I've been unable to find this cpu in the USA, but I'm willing to purchase outside the US and have it shipped here. Look forward to more content. Subscribed.
The WD10EZEX is astonishingly quick and capable considering how little it costs. It's no SSD but feels much snappier than a lot of people might think possible from a spinning disk, it's also really quiet. I have one as a secondary disk and loading games off it is not all that much slower than loading them off my Samsung 850 evo. The reason for this is without doubt because the 1TB is the only drive in the "blue" range that is 7200rpm instead of 5200rpm. If you can stretch to that 1TB drive instead of the 500gb - even buying it second hand if you want to save some cash - you absolutely will not regret it.
I can't see myself buying a setup like this for gaming, however it's almost time to upgrade the computers I built for my church's library several years back(3 of them), and these would make some really good solid basic computer for use with Xubuntu 18.04 64bit, as AMD is very well supported with the open source drivers in the kernel. So I hope you also give this system some Linux love to see how it stacks up for general use, and gaming.
Terraria Heaven I've tried Arch, and Manjaro, but they are not really my thing, as i like an OS I can install, and not worry about without having to do much configuration afterwards, and for me Xubuntu is a good balance of lightweight performance(Unless we are talking Intel ATOM, or some the AMD E/C series APU's), and not having to do too much to get things up, and running after install, along with being friendly enough for people who have never used Linux, and in some cases where I just want to make it even more simple, and I have compatible hardware then I install Cloud Ready OS Home Edition(Chromium OS), set an admin account, and guest account, and no worries on my end unless they release an update that just borks everything from working proper. But that's the beauty of Linux different strokes for different folks.
The 2200G is not really stable yet on Linux, because AMD had to rewrite substantial parts of their driver to accommodate the Raven Ridge CPUs. You need at least kernel 4.19 and so far I can't find anyone on the Web who managed to use Raven Ridge for 3D gaming. I think this Athlon counts as Raven Ridge too, which is a real shame, because otherwise it would be ideal for me.
Great review bud! Could you maybe get the editor to turn down the background music just a little bit. Sometimes it seems to be fighting you for centre stage and it's a little irritating. EDIT: Now I feel like a dick for pointing out one more small thing, the overwatch slide at 11:40 and (12:10) is a little misleading when you look at the athlon avg FPS and Ryzen 3 min FPS. They're the same, but the bar goes further on the Ryzen line, making the performance seem even better, contradictory to the numbers. :'D
That power consumption is fantastic. Four thread gaming is still possible. I really want to see this compared with one of the Pentium Gold systems (both using a discreet GPU of course).
Randall Smith even the g4560 is slightly faster on cpu performance, but the g4560 still goes for the $70 range now. It’s also slower than the 200ge on gpu performance.
It's like you're in my head. Some product is released and I instantly think to myself, "Hmmm...I wonder how much performance I'm truly losing for $45?". Absolutely amazing! Keep it up man!
Thanks for doing the budget stuff. Though I have built up to a mid-level machine now, I think it's deceptive to always focus on the most expensive side of things; it tells people that they can only have fun if they pay $1500 for some kind of mega-machine. Scrimping, saving, and building something cheap is an extremely satisfying experience, and it's fun to build up from there. It's fun to watch those more expensive build videos, though. Don't get me wrong. One day.
Ozman love your videos man keep at it! One quick question I found extremely interesting and no other mention of in other videos or sites I could find doing a search is that you can oc the gpu at 9:54 . Can you clarify if this was a mistake? Thanks!!
Its a leather belt so its can't be as good as the Verge's breast cancer rubber wrist band. Oz's belt probably just needs more thermal paste since more is good PC building practice.
I missed your videos! Great to see you again! As always you did an excellent video and it was not a common Athlon GE video, you add a lot with your experience! Great video!
The 2200g is only 80$ at Microcenter, not much point in getting this CPU unless you get it even cheaper or you don't care about gaming. For building a system that will not be doing heavy gaming or being put in any intensive situation (like web browsing), the 200ge is a great cpu if you just want something that's cheap, quiet and good enough for normal use. People do tend to overestimate how much you need from a CPU or computers in general. Great video as always!
It would be great for a HTPC streamer that could be nearly silent because we 35 w, it will have no heat, and you could keep the fan basically off and it would rarely even need to kick on.
For any meaningful gaming you are looking at adding something like an RX550 or GT1030 to it to be truly playable, at which point the 2200g or 2400g become the far better bang for your buck being able to skip the graphics card entirely
The Athlon 200GE Is GREAT imho!! This is the processor a teen can convince his/her parents/grandparents to buy because it's the cheapest option - yet it still has some (although limited) gaming capability. Intels integrated graphics still can't game for shit - and this one "sort of" can. You might not get the same computing power, but for most non-gaming/imageprocessing/and so on - users, this simply doesn't matter as long as it runs "the internet", "the word" and "the powerpoint" well - which this processor will. It shouldn't really be compared to the 2200G - but rather be seen as a "Ryzen 1 2000G". If you want to make the argument that this comparison is useful, I will return with "Yeah but the 2400G is about 50$ more" and then the next guy will go "Well for only about 50$ more you can get a Ryzen 5 1400 + a GT 1030" .... And you can keep going. The conclusion should instead be "holy shit you can get an APU that can ACTUALLY run games for 55$!!! Obviously - all your benchmarks should have been run in 720p (Overwatch and Fortnite)... since most of the people who buys a system like this most likely will only have a 720p monitor. Oh and all the people suggesting that "you can just get a used X on Y website" - stop talking nonsense. Most people will never buy used hardware, since most people aren't nerds like me - and you since you wouldn't be watching this if you weren't a nerd - and thus they want to be able to go back to the store and say "It's not working! Fix it!". You can't do that if you buy an I5 from l33thaxorsgamingsales420 on amazon. :-D Last but not least - Take a breather people and think about what a processor like this represents. This is a "cheap as chips" APU with an insanely low powerdraw (Thermal Design Power 35W) which can run games... now don't think about a CPU like this in a gaming PC... think about it in a 250-300$ laptop - or perhaps - tablet... Suddenly - it's not a "crappy underpowered gaming solution" but rather a laptop which can run your favorite games anywhere - for less that a mid tier graphics card... Oh and this is just the first version. I'm sure more will come with equally great power efficiency - but better performance - at least that's how it usually goes with AMD APUs.
Currently the price difference at MicroCenter is only $30 more for the better 2200G. Thats hard to ignore. I heard great things about the 200GE and went to get one. Walked out with the 2200G. The power boost was hard to ignore. Edit: The price difference was actually smaller since I needed a CPU fan for the AM4 board. It was my first AMD build.
One draw back that i noticed with the Athlon 200GE is that it turns your PCIE-3.0 X16 to a X4 so really the only options for a dedicated GPU is using something like a GT 1030 or RX 550.
You do know it converts the x16 into an x4 right so you don't get the full potential of your dedicated GPU because as an example you could be using a 200GE with a GTX 1050 and i could be using a 3220 with a GTX 1050 and really i would out perform you because i am able to use most of what the GPU can handle.
Thank you for having a good, informational unbiased and CLEAN video. So tired of this new trend of content creators think they are cool cussing through the whole video or drinking. I swear they think they are 14 years old again.
That case can easily get better cooling by a) propping it up from the surface, and b) drilling holes in the front panel. The more and bigger holes the better!
Great work Oz. I can see an evolution in your videos. Your channel was very informative and helpful in my 1st pc build ever using amds ryzen 5 2400g, along with that very same tower. Keep up the good work. 👍
I checked Corsairs website for DDR4 pricing and is good to see that's still on the way down. It's also good to see AMD are continuing to release these APU's for budget system builders.
In cs:go your skins do decrease your fps because of the texture effects (gunsmith, bright etc...) so keep that in mind when you are playing. The community benchmark would have no effect because of you not carrying a gun.
I would go to those channels you mention in the beginning, I like the budget realistic channels. Those big channels are ok but I prefer like You, JD, ZTT, NOB, toasty bro ECT. GREAT VIDEO DUDE
Would you reccomend the 200GE for a $250 productivity build? I'm doing one for my mother, whose on a tight budget. She's going to be using a lot of MS OFFICE
I bought that same case for a spare build, and I hated that the front didn't have any holes, so I just drilled some holes and the air flow was much better, lol.
Im planning to add a 1060 3gb as my budget is 500 is the ryzen 3 a better choice or the 200ge. My goal is to upgrade to ryzen 3rd gen when i have enough money next year
Have you tried making a budget gaming pc with a xeon X3440 like techyescity? Mobo's a bit expensive, but for a 15$ quad core processor and the access to cheaper DDR3. You could save yourself enough money to buy an older dedicated graphics card, and get better performance than the 2200g. I would definitely be interested in seeing the comparison. Especially if you can OC the X3440. Im also still upset we havent seen a more budget oriented Vega card...
Great stuff. You can overclock the CPU now on MSI and Gigabyte motherboards, which is nice but annoying they locked it in the first place. That case is just terrible though, especially if you're looking to upgrade. I'd reccomend a Deepcool Tesseract for around $40 USD in the US or Silverstone Redline RL05 for around $60 AUD in Australia.
Would be interesting to see if deciding to go for an Athlon with a GTX1030 would be a better price/performance solution than the 2200G or newer equivalent?
I would definitely pick a b450 with a vrm heatsink and the 200ge. In the long run the ryzen3 will also prove weak, and you would wanna upgrade it anyways. And just drill some holes in the front panel of that case. It's a steal for that little money. Kudos for the plant thingy!
I'm specing out a CPU/MB/RAM replacement for an AMD FX-8300 (eight core) system that I use for Fortnite and video editing. My budget is $500 for parts and tax. Unless I can get everything on sale, I might have to compromise on something. I'm leaning towards an APU for the low cost and a future home in my FreeNAS file server. Based on benchmarks, the 2200G could hold its own against the FX-8300. Would the 200GE with a Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB video card be good enough for a few months?
I'm pretty sure the smoke in the CSGO benchmark is supposed to do that. I think it's just a LOT of smoke nades on top of each other. That part tanks fps in any system.
Hey Oz, it's very typical in the benchmark map for CSGO to have a drastic drop in frames in that part as it is a worst case scenario with all of the reloading animations as well as all the smoke.
Great video as usual! I'd never recommend this for gaming as I believe those benchmarks are pure suffering, but I have an aunt who desperately needs a PC for AutoCAD and is on a super tight budget, when I showed her an absolute bottom tier ryzen 3 2200g build she even said it was too much money for her. Maybe I can show her this build to see if it finally fits her budget.
Hey guys! Thanks for being patient with uploads. My editor and me are trying to upload at least once a week, so stay tuned for that! @ 11:55, there is an error with the 2200G results. Correct results are as follows:
Avg: 76.3
1% Low: 61
You should do the Athlon 200GE with a budget gpu to see what kind of performance you get
Did the board died along with the psu?
OzTalksHW Hey man I need a PC can you help me get one
Let's say the 200ge is $65 instead of $55 and a ryzen 3 is $80 plus tax, what then?
Definitely the 2200G
That section of the CSGO benchmark with the smoke can draw a GTX 1060 to its knees in lowest settings. There is something about not just the smoke but amount of characters behind of it that draws all GPUs crazy.
I had no idea you could still OC the iGPU on this thing. I know what I am going to be doing for the next few days, it might be a great video topic!
Edit: Also important to note, if you live in a place with prices close to advertised retail priced, yeah the difference with the 2200G might not seem like much but since prices scale differently on other countries there are interesting case studies where the difference stop making as much sense!
It's interesting because $50 for double performance seems like a no brainer, but when $50 is 1/5th of your entire budget, it makes a big difference :P. Thanks for watching! I have some very early iGPU overclocking benchmarks, but I'd love to see an in depth analysis on the matter. Let me know how it goes and if you need any help :)
Wheres that £5 laptop VR gaming 4k system you promised?
Ay man I need a 1$ gaming PC that can run games at 480p 30 fps
Or should I go give the junkyard a search
LowSpecGamer A 1060 with a good cpu can get like 100 fps in that scene...
You are right about the prices. In India, it is still a better option to buy 2200G, atleast for me. 200GE here is selling for 68$ and 2200G is selling for 106$.
$250 and $300 is 20% more price, while providing around 100% more performance.
Adrians Netlis True. But the argument could be made that the athlon with a $60 used gpu will outperform the 2200g on vega 8. Yeah the quadcore is faster but for gaming at this level the gpu is almost always the bottleneck. I could see an argument for both products depending on current needs and future upgrade plans. Love this channel how he compares stuff to help us decide which route to take
You'd probably be pretty hard-pressed to find a used videocard that handily bests the 2200G for $60. Your best option is hoping to find a used 1030, but it's a sigegrade at best, and you can basically guarantee someone overclocked it, if they're already unloading it.
If you're considering used, you could just get an entire Haswell system for $300 with random gaming card that would blow this away as well.
you can get 750 ti for that price, wonder how Athlon will perform...
Well, back in May of this year OZ did a video of brand new 750ti 2gb cards (not scam) being sold on Ali express for $60. the 750ti 2gb stomps the 1030, 2200g, and 2400g no problem. On Ebay used rx550 frequently go for $60 - $70 (including shipping) and beat the 2200g when paired with a modern cpu. Local markets like craigs list and facebook marketplace can occasionally have good deals on old hardware. One guy I saw just sold a RX 560 4gb nearby for $50. (I missed it I was too slow) Not everyone wants the risk and/or has the time to buy used hardware but it can be an option.
@@evers6214 RX 560 4GB for $50? Now that's a bargain.
However, I believe that getting 2200G and then later saving up for GPU is optimal at those budgets.
Theres something really cool about budget builds especially apu'. I cant wait to see how 7nm ryzen apu' perform.
If my calculations are correct, RTX 2080 Ti performance for $50.
@@OzTalksHW wow might be in my dreams or by 2030 i guess haha
I'm currently rocking the 2200G on my 4k htpc.. would love to experiment with those 7nm apu anyway
If I were running things at AMD I would start with a Samsung 8nm die with two enhanced Athlon cores connected by on-die Infinity Fabric. Each of the two “CCX” modules would have 2 CPU cores with Hyperthreading and Vega 8 graphics. The Ryzen 3 3100GX could have 4 fully functional CPU cores, 2 cores per module, with each module having Vega 7 graphics (one CU per module disabled) with the two Vega 7 GPUs in Crossfire mode. The Ryzen 3100G could have 4 CPU cores with Hyperthreading disabled and dual Vega 5 graphics in Crossfire mode. By severing the die in two across the on-die Infinity Fabric link, two Athlon 300GE parts with single channel DDR4 memory buses would be produced. These Athlon 300GE cores could be clock locked at 3.6 GHz with Vega 5 graphics.
With the introduction of the Samsung 7nm process the Ryzen 3 3200G/3200GX cores could be introduced, with 8 CPU cores and Navi 10/15 graphics (Navi 16 with 6 or 1 CUs disabled). The 8nm parts could then all be Athlon 350GE parts with unlocked cores and Vega 6 graphics. If Zen 2 really does yield 13% higher IPC, and Samsung’s 8nm process yields a 25% increase in clock, this could result in Athlon 300GE having over 100% higher CPU performance and 93.75% of the graphics performance of Ryzen 3 2200g, with the main limitation being single channel DDR4 memory. Having said this, Ryzen 3 3200GX would have twice the CPU cores and a higher clock, as well as 2.5 times the GPU CU count, with Navi graphics instead of Vega, with just twice the memory bandwidth with dual channel memory. So dual channel Ryzen 3 3200GX would be even more bandwidth limited than Athlon 350GE.
Now they gotta come up with an AM1 follow up with Ryzen cores. Damn I would buy 2 and 4 harddrives and rebuild my SAN.
Its been a while oztalks were have ye been we missed u
School has been taking up some time, but I'm back! Thanks for being patient
Subbed because this guy has priorities and doesn't hide it
+1 Maturity
@@OzTalksHW school??
=_=
Ozi, you and I both know a belt won't do anything for you when building a PC. You have to use a silicon "Live Strong" band ensure maximum safety while handling electrically sensitive components.
i just touch case to drop some static
yup, never used a band in my life and build loads of pc's without any problem
Thanks i almost died using this tip 😡
Don't forget to screw with confidence
DDR4 is cheap finally I can use chrome
_HUMBLE_, I smell bullshit, DDR4 cheap? What planet are you living on? It is still triple of what it was two years ago.
Lame joke, I've used Chrome on DDR2, and I'm not joking in my guest room I have an Athlon II X4 635 @2.9Ghz with 8GB of DDR2 800Mhz RAM, an XFX AMD R7 240 2GB GPU on an MSI AM2+ motherboard, and a 250GB WD HDD(had it laying around in the parts bin) inside a $18 Rosewill case with 120mm front fan, and 80mm rear fan all power by an Allied 350watt PSU(system draw according to my kill a watt meter only spiked at 121watts for like 3 sec at boot), My os is Xubuntu 18.04 64bit and with STEAM installed I can actually play some games like Sonic Mania at 1080p, and a lot of games at 720p, and Chrome runs just fine even with dual monitors running 2 1080p streams from Hulu, and my RAM usage is rarely above 4GB.
Christian Edrich Prices will go back to normal once the world's regulatory agencies grow a backbone and go after the die manufacturers for price fixing (which is the entire reason for the high prices - they're colluding to charge that much across the competition, so everyone make more money, at the consumer's expense)
This made me laugh more than it should XDDD
$120+ for new 16gb ram :(
I really like videos with new, low budget, hardware. Not everyone can buy a 2700x or 9900k like some people think. Any way we can get a part 2 with a 2400g comparison?
This is a good step up. For a simple upgrade. Just waiting for DDR4 to drop down in price.
also pro model with bigger cache
I bought my Ryzen 3 2200g for $63 at Microcenter
My microcenter says $80
That's part of what I hate about physical retail stores. I don't have a Microcenter within a 4hr one way drive from my house. But for example I needed a new cable modem asap so looked up prices for Walmart and have 2 within 10 mins(15 if traffic is bad) of each other and there was a $12 dollar difference on the exact same Linksys modem from one Walmart to the other simply because that higher priced Walmart is near a hospital, smaller community college, and upper middle class suburb. it's all bullshit!
Microcenters are GREAT...if you live by one. Nice find nonetheless!
OzTalksHW Yeah it was on open box and clearance. Surprised you didn’t see it cause I’m pretty sure we go to the same Microcenter.
Microcenter is the only place I go when upgrading my PC platform. 👌
Damn. That camera work & quality THO! I see u bro. #WeMovinOnUp 😆 Glad to see u back.
Much love!
I suggest that you offset the camera. And don't talk Head on. As liked the opening scene. An off set angle (liked in a selfie 🤳 off by 6 to nine degrees is better.😂🤗 The video looked better from 9:00 😎
Free windows 10?! Antistatic belt?! What other hax do you have up your sleeve?
Andertrout920 Atleast it's not an antistatic wrist band...
I was going to make a comment about a lack of ESD protection.....then you whip out a belt...never saw that before and I am a retired technician for NCR and I have repaired thousands of PCB's....good job....love your voice!
I guess there is a typo @12:05 The min for the 2200g is 60fps?
Thanks for catching that! I put a pin correcting it. 1% Low should 61 for the 2200G
@@OzTalksHW no worries mate. Good vid. Im thinking about this processor for a media box for the living room.
please continue making budget builds like this, comparison budget, etc. ur content is really great
The smoke in the csgo benchmark is actually a combination of many smoke grenades in one place
That makes sense. Do you know how many grenades are thrown?
imgur.com/gallery/7dpQiim - I cannot determine how many of them there are because they are stacked in the same spot inside of each other, as seen in the screenshot.
It is hard to test since the smoke grenades deplete after a short time but I would say it is in the range of 15-20 grenades stacked
Damn
I contacted the creator of the benchmark and here is what he told me: "The smoke? it is not a real smoke, but an env_smokestack iirc"
You helped make my dream pc
Thank you
Aww glad I could help. Hope you enjoy your PC!
An atheon build is a dream pc??
@@AnthonyK_34 look up the HP110210 if you still aren't convinced after 2 months
The rear fan on that Rosewil case is so adorable
The 200GE doesn’t support ram at 2667 MHz or more so don’t worry about getting 3000 speed or more
Stumbled across your channel and this video. Good quality stuff. Everybody focuses on the other channels for big benches, it's good to see some real life testing going on, as well. This is how people get into the hobby!
Hey your back good to know your still alive
Love your videos, they put me in a very cool mood every time I watch them. Perfect music.
The fact that you used Gran Turismo music for the background already makes me want to subscribe :)
This is a solid build and review. Just what I needed, thank you very much!
Man its been awhile since I watched from your channel but my interest on the ATHLON 200GE made UA-cam to lead back to you.
Your presentation has become better too. Excellent job man keep up the good work!
Hey Ozzie, just thought you should know I have recommended your UA-cam channel to all the senior citizens I am teaching how to build their own less than $300 builds. I only charge them $20 to cover the cost of hand out materials and building materials. Thanks for all the great videos
I recently sold a build with that case, and the thing just doesn't get fresh air into the chassis at all. For the life of me, I don't know why case manufacturers can't give us even some small mesh openings in the front of some of these budget cases. *end rant* xD
I wonder if they just copy paste a generic build that would be cheaper to produce from China
It should work given you have proper negative pressure in the case. I've seen much worse where there's no intake hole at all. For that, I drilled some holes in the 5in drive Bay covers :) now no more overheating. Personally I'm a bigger fan of Cougar cases for lowend, they got a matx tower thats has a full mesh in front you can install with 2 intake fans for 25usd or 15usd for clones :)
For parts that aren't hot to begin with like the 200GE, I'm sure it's definitely fine with that exhaust. I'd be very curious to see something like a 2600 and an RX 580 in there.
I'm not sure. It might just be easier for them to make a flat plastic front panel or maybe they think the current trend is very flat front panels (which seems true in many more premium cases). Regardless, give me some mesh on those things lol
Could make some vent holes yourself
I remember getting the RipJaws V RAM just like that @3200MHz. The problem was they weren't on the venders compatibility list for my 2200G APU build and it kept crashing.
I liked and enjoyed your review. I found this video on Google and your honesty up front was very refreshing and I enjoyed how you brought your content to us, the audience. I've been unable to find this cpu in the USA, but I'm willing to purchase outside the US and have it shipped here. Look forward to more content. Subscribed.
Nice camera work. I like how this channel doesn't only focus on high end parts. Keep up the great work Oz!!!!!
He still needs to be smarter on the color n scene s selection
Love your budget build videos. I'm more in the high end space, but I love seeing what entry-level stuff can do.
I reallly enjoy your videos. Subscribed!
The WD10EZEX is astonishingly quick and capable considering how little it costs. It's no SSD but feels much snappier than a lot of people might think possible from a spinning disk, it's also really quiet. I have one as a secondary disk and loading games off it is not all that much slower than loading them off my Samsung 850 evo. The reason for this is without doubt because the 1TB is the only drive in the "blue" range that is 7200rpm instead of 5200rpm. If you can stretch to that 1TB drive instead of the 500gb - even buying it second hand if you want to save some cash - you absolutely will not regret it.
I plan on using this exact build (+ a 3Tb HDD) for my Home media server. For 415$ Canadian with taxes, it is a wounderful machine.
Thank you a lot, you always make good quality videos and good content for your subscribers :)
I can't see myself buying a setup like this for gaming, however it's almost time to upgrade the computers I built for my church's library several years back(3 of them), and these would make some really good solid basic computer for use with Xubuntu 18.04 64bit, as AMD is very well supported with the open source drivers in the kernel. So I hope you also give this system some Linux love to see how it stacks up for general use, and gaming.
Terraria Heaven I've tried Arch, and Manjaro, but they are not really my thing, as i like an OS I can install, and not worry about without having to do much configuration afterwards, and for me Xubuntu is a good balance of lightweight performance(Unless we are talking Intel ATOM, or some the AMD E/C series APU's), and not having to do too much to get things up, and running after install, along with being friendly enough for people who have never used Linux, and in some cases where I just want to make it even more simple, and I have compatible hardware then I install Cloud Ready OS Home Edition(Chromium OS), set an admin account, and guest account, and no worries on my end unless they release an update that just borks everything from working proper. But that's the beauty of Linux different strokes for different folks.
Elementary os is life.
The 2200G is not really stable yet on Linux, because AMD had to rewrite substantial parts of their driver to accommodate the Raven Ridge CPUs. You need at least kernel 4.19 and so far I can't find anyone on the Web who managed to use Raven Ridge for 3D gaming. I think this Athlon counts as Raven Ridge too, which is a real shame, because otherwise it would be ideal for me.
Great review bud! Could you maybe get the editor to turn down the background music just a little bit. Sometimes it seems to be fighting you for centre stage and it's a little irritating.
EDIT: Now I feel like a dick for pointing out one more small thing, the overwatch slide at 11:40 and (12:10) is a little misleading when you look at the athlon avg FPS and Ryzen 3 min FPS. They're the same, but the bar goes further on the Ryzen line, making the performance seem even better, contradictory to the numbers. :'D
That power consumption is fantastic. Four thread gaming is still possible. I really want to see this compared with one of the Pentium Gold systems (both using a discreet GPU of course).
Randall Smith even the g4560 is slightly faster on cpu performance, but the g4560 still goes for the $70 range now. It’s also slower than the 200ge on gpu performance.
It's like you're in my head. Some product is released and I instantly think to myself, "Hmmm...I wonder how much performance I'm truly losing for $45?". Absolutely amazing! Keep it up man!
Thanks for doing the budget stuff. Though I have built up to a mid-level machine now, I think it's deceptive to always focus on the most expensive side of things; it tells people that they can only have fun if they pay $1500 for some kind of mega-machine. Scrimping, saving, and building something cheap is an extremely satisfying experience, and it's fun to build up from there.
It's fun to watch those more expensive build videos, though. Don't get me wrong. One day.
You're such a gift in the pc building world, not everyone has 2k to throw in a rig.
Ozman love your videos man keep at it! One quick question I found extremely interesting and no other mention of in other videos or sites I could find doing a search is that you can oc the gpu at 9:54 . Can you clarify if this was a mistake? Thanks!!
Nice use of a anti static wrist-belt to not short out the computer ;)
well as long as your touching something earthed it really makes no difference
Its a leather belt so its can't be as good as the Verge's breast cancer rubber wrist band. Oz's belt probably just needs more thermal paste since more is good PC building practice.
it just works
Yo
That nostalgia tho
Music for GranTurismo's OST
You have nice taste
Btw great video man!
Great review! I really enjoy seeing the APUs and budget market.
Edit: Removed part about wrong bars because I saw it was acknowledged in the comments.
I missed your videos! Great to see you again! As always you did an excellent video and it was not a common Athlon GE video, you add a lot with your experience! Great video!
Hey im about to build a pc is this setup with the AMD Ryzen 3 220G Processor still worth it the total in my cart right now is $393.93 for everything
We started missing you and the builds already ❤
Thanks for staying
is this setup robust enough for music production, video, and light photo editing?
The 2200g is only 80$ at Microcenter, not much point in getting this CPU unless you get it even cheaper or you don't care about gaming. For building a system that will not be doing heavy gaming or being put in any intensive situation (like web browsing), the 200ge is a great cpu if you just want something that's cheap, quiet and good enough for normal use. People do tend to overestimate how much you need from a CPU or computers in general.
Great video as always!
It would be great for a HTPC streamer that could be nearly silent because we 35 w, it will have no heat, and you could keep the fan basically off and it would rarely even need to kick on.
Exactly! Very tempting application. It could also do some light gaming.
i used my 12 y.o. Dual core E2160(@2.11) for web, and it did well. This athlon have 2x or 3x of his processing power, if not 4x.
For any meaningful gaming you are looking at adding something like an RX550 or GT1030 to it to be truly playable, at which point the 2200g or 2400g become the far better bang for your buck being able to skip the graphics card entirely
Yup, core 2 duo is actually still VERY usable for the web. Used one a few months ago and had no issue.
The Athlon 200GE Is GREAT imho!! This is the processor a teen can convince his/her parents/grandparents to buy because it's the cheapest option - yet it still has some (although limited) gaming capability. Intels integrated graphics still can't game for shit - and this one "sort of" can. You might not get the same computing power, but for most non-gaming/imageprocessing/and so on - users, this simply doesn't matter as long as it runs "the internet", "the word" and "the powerpoint" well - which this processor will. It shouldn't really be compared to the 2200G - but rather be seen as a "Ryzen 1 2000G". If you want to make the argument that this comparison is useful, I will return with "Yeah but the 2400G is about 50$ more" and then the next guy will go "Well for only about 50$ more you can get a Ryzen 5 1400 + a GT 1030" .... And you can keep going. The conclusion should instead be "holy shit you can get an APU that can ACTUALLY run games for 55$!!! Obviously - all your benchmarks should have been run in 720p (Overwatch and Fortnite)... since most of the people who buys a system like this most likely will only have a 720p monitor.
Oh and all the people suggesting that "you can just get a used X on Y website" - stop talking nonsense. Most people will never buy used hardware, since most people aren't nerds like me - and you since you wouldn't be watching this if you weren't a nerd - and thus they want to be able to go back to the store and say "It's not working! Fix it!". You can't do that if you buy an I5 from l33thaxorsgamingsales420 on amazon. :-D
Last but not least - Take a breather people and think about what a processor like this represents. This is a "cheap as chips" APU with an insanely low powerdraw (Thermal Design Power 35W) which can run games... now don't think about a CPU like this in a gaming PC... think about it in a 250-300$ laptop - or perhaps - tablet... Suddenly - it's not a "crappy underpowered gaming solution" but rather a laptop which can run your favorite games anywhere - for less that a mid tier graphics card... Oh and this is just the first version. I'm sure more will come with equally great power efficiency - but better performance - at least that's how it usually goes with AMD APUs.
Currently the price difference at MicroCenter is only $30 more for the better 2200G. Thats hard to ignore. I heard great things about the 200GE and went to get one. Walked out with the 2200G. The power boost was hard to ignore.
Edit: The price difference was actually smaller since I needed a CPU fan for the AM4 board. It was my first AMD build.
I knew you make this one for me
One draw back that i noticed with the Athlon 200GE is that it turns your PCIE-3.0 X16 to a X4 so really the only options for a dedicated GPU is using something like a GT 1030 or RX 550.
You can put more in an x4 slot.
You do know it converts the x16 into an x4 right so you don't get the full potential of your dedicated GPU because as an example you could be using a 200GE with a GTX 1050 and i could be using a 3220 with a GTX 1050 and really i would out perform you because i am able to use most of what the GPU can handle.
Ecks Gaming Benchmark the 1050 will not be bottlenecked by an x4 slot, even the 1060 probably wouldn’t be.
Thank you for having a good, informational unbiased and CLEAN video. So tired of this new trend of content creators think they are cool cussing through the whole video or drinking. I swear they think they are 14 years old again.
I need to find these videos where tech reviewers are drinking
That case can easily get better cooling by a) propping it up from the surface, and b) drilling holes in the front panel. The more and bigger holes the better!
I love your editing, youre a nice guy. Thank you for the tips. :)
Great work Oz. I can see an evolution in your videos. Your channel was very informative and helpful in my 1st pc build ever using amds ryzen 5 2400g, along with that very same tower. Keep up the good work. 👍
The bongo cat meme brought joy to my heart. I love you
I particularly enjoyed the *cough. Verge. Cough*. Well played sir, well played.
I checked Corsairs website for DDR4 pricing and is good to see that's still on the way down. It's also good to see AMD are continuing to release these APU's for budget system builders.
How will the Athlon do with a GTX 1050 Low Profile?
In cs:go your skins do decrease your fps because of the texture effects (gunsmith, bright etc...) so keep that in mind when you are playing. The community benchmark would have no effect because of you not carrying a gun.
Yo Oz check that graph @ 12:07 the 1% low on the Ryzen 3 doesnt seem to correspond with the number properly.
I would go to those channels you mention in the beginning, I like the budget realistic channels. Those big channels are ok but I prefer like You, JD, ZTT, NOB, toasty bro ECT. GREAT VIDEO DUDE
Beautiful review, nicely done.
Just a few question, why the B450 board? And why such a good looking one as well...
Would you reccomend the 200GE for a $250 productivity build? I'm doing one for my mother, whose on a tight budget. She's going to be using a lot of MS OFFICE
I bought that same case for a spare build, and I hated that the front didn't have any holes, so I just drilled some holes and the air flow was much better, lol.
Hey Oz,
excellent video! I enjoyed it very much :)
Keep up the good work!
Thank you all Ozztalks Hardware
can you do a follow up of how they compare if you upgrade to a dedicated video card? like an RX 570 or a 1050ti?
Im planning to add a 1060 3gb as my budget is 500 is the ryzen 3 a better choice or the 200ge.
My goal is to upgrade to ryzen 3rd gen when i have enough money next year
Have you tried making a budget gaming pc with a xeon X3440 like techyescity? Mobo's a bit expensive, but for a 15$ quad core processor and the access to cheaper DDR3. You could save yourself enough money to buy an older dedicated graphics card, and get better performance than the 2200g. I would definitely be interested in seeing the comparison. Especially if you can OC the X3440.
Im also still upset we havent seen a more budget oriented Vega card...
I have! My $200 PC Anyone can build (2018) uses an X3470 (4C/8T) & GTX 750 Ti combination.
Great video Ozzy!
Thanks Dan 😘
Great video bro, shines light on the budget world of pc gaming. Impressive results
Great stuff. You can overclock the CPU now on MSI and Gigabyte motherboards, which is nice but annoying they locked it in the first place. That case is just terrible though, especially if you're looking to upgrade. I'd reccomend a Deepcool Tesseract for around $40 USD in the US or Silverstone Redline RL05 for around $60 AUD in Australia.
Watching this on 2021, and can't find Ryzen 3 on local market. Will stick on athlon. Thanks for the Guide
Stop going away. I am so glad you use a natural voice unlike the others.
I watch oztalks all the time, along with other channels too. More success bro
Can you bench it with gtx 1060 3gb. Im on tight bugdet and wanna replace my 860k with it.
Haven't read the other comments, but with dual channel ram don't you have to put for example 1 dimm in slot 1 & 1 dimm in slot 3?
Would be interesting to see if deciding to go for an Athlon with a GTX1030 would be a better price/performance solution than the 2200G or newer equivalent?
Is there no need for a graphics card??? Any help would be appreciated.
I would definitely pick a b450 with a vrm heatsink and the 200ge. In the long run the ryzen3 will also prove weak, and you would wanna upgrade it anyways. And just drill some holes in the front panel of that case. It's a steal for that little money. Kudos for the plant thingy!
Nice bro keep it up and don't sweat it on the vids once you're here and they keep coming 👍
Also you can get the Ryzen 3 2200 G at microcenter for 80 bucks.
I'm specing out a CPU/MB/RAM replacement for an AMD FX-8300 (eight core) system that I use for Fortnite and video editing. My budget is $500 for parts and tax. Unless I can get everything on sale, I might have to compromise on something. I'm leaning towards an APU for the low cost and a future home in my FreeNAS file server. Based on benchmarks, the 2200G could hold its own against the FX-8300. Would the 200GE with a Nvidia 1050 Ti 4GB video card be good enough for a few months?
im wondering how it would work as a dedicated streaming pc with a capture card
Great video. Two questions....Can you add a GPU at a later date to this rig? And will it run Civilization 7?
Can't explain why but I really want to get one of these 2XX chips! Great video 😀
Hi I athlon 200ge with a gigabyte 450 motherboard, how do i upgrade and update the bios when im changing it to Ryzen 3 3200g?
Unactivated copies of windows 10 are great for benchmarking purposes.
I'm pretty sure the smoke in the CSGO benchmark is supposed to do that. I think it's just a LOT of smoke nades on top of each other. That part tanks fps in any system.
Dude i missed ya a lot welcome back
Hey Oz, it's very typical in the benchmark map for CSGO to have a drastic drop in frames in that part as it is a worst case scenario with all of the reloading animations as well as all the smoke.
idk where everyone is getting these at sold out on newegg.im trying to build mt gf a pc with it and im getting frustrated
how about Athlon 200GE vs Ryzen 3 2200G with Gtx 1050 or gtx 1030 or Rx 560 or Rx 550 ???
For my build I want to get a p350x case, p6x58d board with a x5675, and a GTX 1060 or 1050 ti.
Great video as usual!
I'd never recommend this for gaming as I believe those benchmarks are pure suffering, but I have an aunt who desperately needs a PC for AutoCAD and is on a super tight budget, when I showed her an absolute bottom tier ryzen 3 2200g build she even said it was too much money for her. Maybe I can show her this build to see if it finally fits her budget.
bro need help i install radeon adrenaline for athlon 200ge and click on the radeon setting it always show amd driver not install or working properly
Yooo! New Oz! Welcome back!