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Ryzen 3 2200G Review: Triple-A PC Gaming From A $99 Processor?
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2018
- Yes, we have got benchmarks, but more importantly we've got *gameplay*. Can a $99 Ryzen APU with Vega 8 graphics run PUBG, GTA5, Destiny 2, Overwatch, Rise of the Tomb Raider, The Witcher 3, Titanfall 2 and Crysis 3? And can it do so with playable frame-rates? Check this out!
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Pretty damn spectacular for a $99 piece of silicon.
And the 2400G is even better for gaming, although it is more expensive.
Woah didn't expect this level of performance from AMD APUs. I can easily see myself building a mini pc to play games on the TV. I hope AMD gives better support to 3rd world countries, where this can potentially sell like hot cakes.
Well, it's the AMD APUs that are the driving force of current-gen's most powerful consoles (XB1X, PS4 Pro etc.). So, it's not really surprising. Games on the APUs of those consoles are hitting native 1440p, 1800p and even 4K at 30/60fps in big AAA games at decent visual quality settings (generally around PC's "High" preset).
Nah those APUs really need fast RAM and RAM prices are crazy. Especially for 3rd world countries.
AnalogFoundry Those aren't APUs, but custom SoCs. It's pretty much like the Intel/AMD combo chips they're making now, except they got everything under the same chip because they only have one model to produce for each.
" they got everything under the same chip" Man that's the definition of an Apu , it is visible in the die shot of the unit, what are you talking about?
Here we see a very sensible westerner with some really enlightening information.
What an amazing leap for APUs. seriously. 720p AAA gaming, 1080p esports with a $99 chip.
Especially because the only APU i have in my hands is the one in my laptop with Radeon HD 6480g graphics that are like a third the speed of intel mobile integrated graphics.
help me
For an even amazing leap for APUs. Look at XB1X, PS4 Pro. The AMD APUs in them are hitting native 1440p, 1800p and even 4K at 30/60fps in big AAA games at decent visual quality settings (generally around PC's "High" preset).
The first time I heard the Ryzen 3 2200g was going to cost $99 I couldn't believe it.
We are slowly abandoning GPUs... I like it.
It's cheaper for everyone.
Thats a SoC and would retail without sony and MS making deals for around a grand on the PC gaming retail market. We are talking a Apu that still needs its own ram and mobo to function and is only $99. APU and SoC are different things.
WTF, DF comment section is actually being civil. What is going on here? but congrats AMD, this is one hell of a processor for $99.
Most people would actually play games at 720p medium with these Apus....30-40 fps is will be good!!
Thing gets 65 fps gtav 720p high, 40 to 45 fps 1080p medium
Very nice especially in criptocurrency days when graphic card prices are just absurd, Well done AMD, and thanks DF
ThatGamer they are not absurd here in Europe. Like a ~20% price increase for a 1060, for example.
I'm in France and everything is so expensive right now, that is if you find the product available. RX 570 for 400 for example
re hash
The Nvidia didnt got that expensive as Radeon Cards.
I really could cry a 8gb RX 580 was at 240€ now it's 450€+ :(
re hash 20% only? In which country in Europe? Where I'm living every top end model got hit by 40% or higher.
I bought a new gtx 1070 for 490 euros 7 months ago. The same gpu, now cost 650 euros.
What's awesome about this new AMD platform is that it's extremely upgradable...
You can get the 2200G rig now for 350-400 bucks, then a year down the line once GPU prices become reasonable you can just plop a GPU in there...
And then once the CPU loses it's strength you can easily just update the bios and replace it with a shiny new 3rd or 4th gen 6/8 core Ryzen chip
It's freakin' amazing
RAM prices have already leveled off and are even starting to go back down a bit.
Regarding GPUs, there's still always the option to upgrade to a faster APU. If the GPU shortage really does keep persisting, then AMD could very well see it to be profitable to make an APU equipped with HBM, especially if the 7nm Zen2 cores in the Ryzen 3000 series hit it out of the park in terms of CPU-performance as it would make Ryzen a complete one-stop shop for all your needs.
Heck there was some R&D papers released by AMD a couple years ago about the concept of a "monster APU" that basically would have been 8 to 16 Zen cores combined with a high-end GPU (anywhere between Rx 470 and Vega 64) along with some HBM on a single Threadripper/Epyc sized processor.
Walther Penne Sees RX 580's at 250$ again. Mining crashed lol
@Walther Penne mining is now dead. 😂👌
@Walther Penne with the spy thing you refer to minix?amd also has it?
@@agustinreyero264 I'm also waiting for answers...
See you on the forum/s., have a good one dude. [ ;
The 2200g will become the next budget CPU for budget gamers just like the g4560 did , If only it is marketed well enough .
not really though, since ppl who bought the g4560 is likely to use discrete gpus, while APUs are, well, APUs
Akash7713 nah this is a waste. I rather buy a g4560 and a discrete gpu. When the graphics on the cpu get old. You need to replace the cpu and hell maybe buy a new gpu. Rather just change out the gpu once in a while.
No you dont wtf, all you do i plop a new gpu in like anyother pc and done.
Ryzen Apus had so far a rough launch.All kinds of issues are there like bios no posting/vid memory allocation
You can do the same with an APU. just put in a new GPU when your APU graphics get outdated.The CPU doesn't have to be replaced. The video shows this APU with a Titan X pascal.
Considering it's a GPU and CPU in one, I am impressed by how well this thing handles modern games. It's amazing how far this tech has come.
mark my words...this processor will be the best seller by the end of this year...price to performance is insane wow mind blown
That is a fantastic piece of kit for the price.
2017: AMD screws Intel sales with CPUs have Double Cores/ Threads/ Cache
2018: AMD screws Nvidia GTX 1030 with $99 CPU have nearly similar performance
I got Nvidia 1080 and I7 7700.. But I got to tell you..
AMD is facing competitors with products have high value compared with prices (competition good for costumers)
Go Team Red xD
2200G can compete (somewhat in non-bandwith intensive games) to GT1030 only paired with very, very fast, low latency expensive ram. In the end your 99 dollar ''killer'' part ends up more like 150-175 dollar part.
except u need a cpu as well along with a 1030, so in the end it actually is a better deal getting 2200g with 3200mzh ram
Asrock H110m-dgs paired with Pentuim g4560 and the cheapeest 2x8gb ram + gtx 1050 - 400 euros = very good entry AAA1080P gaming experience
Asrock A320M-DGS paired with 2200G and 3200mhz CL14 G.Skill Flare X ram - 395 euros = awful 1080P AAA gaming experience
So you are assuming that you can buy a 1050 at that price and that you need to buy a 3200 MHz RAM... yeah. Even with the experience being as you said, you need a thing more importan than that. Upgrade path, also you can buy a lower PSU, waste less money in the Power Consumption, an if you have an issue in a dead platform... expect support, but not a great solution.
Kindis
You lost all your credibility at the A320.
You don't need to allocate RAM to the GPU at all. Windows automatically splits the RAM according to load. In general you only get a 1 fps boost tops by allocating 2G in place of the default 512mb
AH SEU VOU Ah , i see you have been to the hardware unboxed channel :p
every frame you can muster, you will need with that chip
Why isn't it able to allocate more than 2G though? Drivers?
Zamachi it uses as much system ram as it needs automatically, as per hardware unboxeds testing,
joshcogaming yeah but it tops out at 2G anyways.
Very nice budget set-up.
Techkey1 no
What no? Explain, always these idiots that say nothing.
Screw you Linus, this thing kicks ass! Thanks DF....
What are you talking about? Linus praised the 2200g.
seemed like he was trying to undermine the 2200g wherever possible.............as he always does with AMD........df tried to highlight the potential of this APU at the price point a lot more
But Linus praised Ryzen 3
Its 99$ dude. Perspective.
I Imagine my computer lab at school having these things back in the day.
I love when Witchard talks about Witcher.
Nicely done.👏
If graphics card prices keep skyrocketing this could become our only option for gaming in the future... APU's could take over if things don't go back to normal.
You don't have to worry about that. Believe it or not, this is not the first price hike PC experienced. It happed several times before. I remember back in the late 80s we had silicon fab shortage. PC prices were astronomical. Graphics accelerators were having issue too until voodoo line came about for budget oriented Graphics Cards.
Prices should be going down soon.
It will go back to normal, not the first time crypto mining was a thing.
The problem isn't only on GPU but RAM too , and lately fucking PSU . And GPU shortage due to mining won't be a quick fix .
Ray Lee Yit Lun Nobody said it will be normal again fast.
go go amd.
I'm so exited for the next gen ryzen 3 coming in May. I upgraded my 2200g with a 1050 ti I play SOTR at 1080p highest at 45 fps and 1440p high when I plug it to the 4K TV at 30 fps at the TV. Incredible value. I remember when I bought and I was getting 30fps at medium 900p with AAA and an easy 60 fps 1080p at sports titles.
It was funny to hear they allocated 2GB to the iGPU. Hardware Unboxed pretty much proved the setting is meaningless, if not worse than just allocating the least amount when running lower capacity memory configurations like 8GB.
This is seriously impressive for a 100$ product.
720p 40 fps in most modern titles...not bad for the price.
not bad ?
man this is awesome xD
I never click so fast whenever I see a DigitalFoundry video pop-up in my sub box :)
Your reviews and analysis are the best.
This is ridiculously impressive.
Never thought i'd say this about integrated graphics but damn, the 2200g for $99 is very impressive, think of the budget or casual gamer and the opportunities it can mean for people who may want to try PC gaming without the huge investment (dedicated GPU or high end build). It's a great start.
Makes you realize how impressive the APUs inside consoles are! Jaguar CPU with integrated Bonaire/Pitcairn graphics from 2012-13 inside base XB1 & PS4. And still kicking ass.
AnalogFoundry The XBOX One is not kicking ass at all.
The base PS4 is about holding up.
is there a review of the Ryzen 3 3200 yet? I bought that one but couldn't find any review.
Impressive, especially using the AM4 socket. Always found AMD APU's a great value: actually quite liked my $300 (Gateway) AMD 4500m laptop. It was ~2Ghz quad-core, with a 7640g, I just remember running COD black ops at a smooth >60fps@720p, then being blown away that I maintained 60fps when using my external 1080p monitor on a whim. Couldn't believe a budget laptop could do that. Sure it was ~2012 and BLOPS is easy to run, but still a HUGE upgrade from just about any Intel IGP.
Kim DotNet I still use a laptop with the s8 4500m lol, I need to upgrade really soon.
Not bad at all. May help some struggling with gpu prices.
@DigitalFoundry
Do you guys think the PS5 and Xbox 2 will use a Ryzen processor?
if they stick with AMD, most likely
Depends on market cost of silicone; however, being they are AMD GCN hardware now it would make sense. Also, getting Intel/Nvida to make something at a low cost for mass production would be more difficult than just going to AMD and ask for a SOC to spec.
Also, for a record I have no clue of what I am talking about here and am just stating things I assume on current state of industry. 0% insider knowledge here.
Get ready for "PlayStation with Vega graphics"
Yup both amd peasants
I would also love to see a 30 FPS or half-rate V-Sync option in the Radeon drivers!
What a great little APU. Just crazy value for money. I just wish the RAM prices would chill out. This will make for great little media PCs. I am so tempted to build one just for fun. I too love budget hardware and this is just perfect for budget gamers.
R3 2200G more like an xbox one for 99$
DeadPhoenix86 definitely around 400 but can definitely get to 300 if you try. Either way this is pretty damn good
Yeah, $300 even, if you pick the parts right. Considering the uses you get out of a PC vs a PS4 or XboxOne, it's a solid choice.
Even if you get everything new, that all totals to about 200 tops. 8gb of ram is currently 50$USD, 2GB HDD is 45, motherboard is 45, and power supply needed for that is around 200-300w only so that's only 20 dollars.You're looking at 45+50+45+20+99(2200G) = 259 USD. Good Job you now have a capable gaming machine for less than 300 that also has all the benefits of a fully functional pc.
Neopolitan 2gb HDD? In 2018 wtf not even phones have less than 4gb these days I think you meant TB though
Goublon Nolbuog Not a Xbox One X tho!!!!!
Imagine a next gen Sony Handheld with this thing...If they can make it portable, the possibilities are amazing
leonthesleepy too bad sony destroyed the vita themselves because memory cards. Very few games (Xbox 1 portable lol)
Azure Fuentes yeah thats true... its a shame because The Vita has really good build quality and decent hardware. So much wastes potential and not enough must play games
I can guarantee Sony will release their portable Switch ripoff in no time.
naw, they know the handheld console market is dying. Smartphones take up too much of the market. Now that Nintendo has the Switch there isn't really enough room for that many products.
sigh you're probably right. The only way i see it as a sure fire hit, is their handheld can play literally any PS4 game on the PSN store. That way, there's already an incredible library of games to play from Day 1. But i dont see this happening until like, PS5-PS6 era.
Great watch! Your take on getting playable performance with good visuals makes this stand out from most other benchmark-heavy reviews. Great explanations, too, I always feel like I know a little more or understand something a little better when I'm done. Thanks!
You know, Richard is doing some spectacular approaches on those test, thanks for playing the games instead of just benchmarking them, i saw some other reviewers getting to bad conclusions because of this and you sir has been doing some excellent job here!
Oops mate, you left VSYNC on. Gonna wanna keep that off.
Rivatunner statistics is capable of a properly cap at 30 fps
Not in every game. It exhibits frame-pacing issue in some games. I've noticed in ROTTR, GTAV etc.
I used to think that, but it's not really the case, even if the frametime graph shows you a perfect 33.3ms, I was able to notice some stutters, that don't appear on the frametime graph.
So I think it's still not perfect, and probably an option more in line with the Half rate, adaptive vsync from nvidia on the AMD drivers would be the ideal.
I've been asking for that for years now, but they seem to not bother.
AMD driver setting has Frame Rate Target control as well, you can set it to 30 FPS and it'll hold that.
Yes and no, it just fixes the framerate, but don't fix the the frametime and also it don't work with Vsync.
RTSS might not be perfect 100% of the time (most of the time it works fine though), but in my experience it's still way better than half rate v-sync. I tried that in a few games and the input lag was so much higher it was ridiculous
It's cool not just to see what companies can do at the top end, but at the low end as well. You're aiming for a product that's not just capable but one that fits a small form factor, doesn't suck a lot of power, and doesn't generate a lot of heat or noise. That a product like this costs just $99 is quite amazing. I think though this APU's sweet spot is the e-sports games. You tested Overwatch and it did really well. You should also test Rocket League and Dota 2. For building a PC for someone just getting into gaming that would be a home run
DigitalFoundry's Potato series is nice actually :) It gives you a better view of the technology available.
do for ryzen 5 also
Go AMD! Keep Intel on their toes!
Street prices are even lower. Notably, Micro Center sells the 2200G for $80. They also sell the 2400G for $150 with a $30 discount if you also buy a motherboard, bringing the price down to $120.
The automatic setting for the game was at 1080p on witcher 3 and it ran smoothly on DDR4 8 Gigs of ram at 2400 MHz getting over 30 fps with no OC. I don't know whether others will get the same result with the same configuration but it worked like a miracle in my system with some of the graphic set at ultra.
Need for Speed Payback runs smoothly at 900p on medium settings. Can go higher on some graphics settings.
wow. I'm buying this next week.
*PC* : We have the best hardware!
*PlayStation & Nintendo* : And we have the best exclusives!
*Xbox* : ... hey guys, when does Game of Thrones Season 8 begin?
lol and im still on season 7
Spot on.
Oooh salty.... but then I hear yo mammy likes it salty
T.E.D. tech , take your time, bro 🤗
Season 8 only by 2019, it's officially confirmed.
Pheresome, that's why i love my Gaming Laptop + PS4 Pro combo, it's a win/win situation.
but can you crossfire them?
but can you quad channel RAM then?
no
I would imagine that LDA implicit mode would work, but the performance gains would be minimal at best. AFR mode might work with Vega based cards, but not with Polaris.
building my first gaming PC and went with this APU so I could put off buying a GPU when a good sale comes along, the review makes me glad I did as I wasnt expecting it to be this playable with these games
The 2200G and the 2400G were more designed for esports games (Overwatch, CS:GO, Rainbow 6 Siege, Dota 2, League of Legends, Rocket League) and they work brilliantly in those games. They would be brilliant to throw into a Mini ITX case and use at a competitive game Lan party. Additionally, it would be perfect for emulating PS2 and Gamecube games using a tiny HTPC or Mini ITX case connected to the TV.
If the 2200G or 2400G can run any AAA titles at reasonable FPS, then that is just the cherry on top, because they already do wonderfully with competitive games and emulation.
Considering the price for fast ram, isn't cheaper or o par with buying a ryzen 3 + a 1030? Not only you get better performance but also a better upgrade path. If it wasn't for ram prices then the new apus would be awesome.
You're correct. If ram prices were as low as they used to be, then this apu would be a no brainier.
Sadly they're not.
The ryzen 3 also scales with the faster RAM not as much but it does. Its a trade off with your what you are willing to replace later and spend now.
Actually a Ryzen 3 1200 here costs the same as the 2200G weirdly enough. Also what do you mean by upgrade path? Pretty sure they're on the same platform
2200G + 2x4GB DDR4 2800 = 200$. 2200G + GT 1030 + 2x4GB slow shit = 230$+.
So no.
Also, the 2200G's iGPU can handle 1600+MHz so there is still some more room to OC compared to what you see in this video.
bobsagget823 smartass you don't buy an apu, spending more, when you are gonna use a dedicated gpu
*But can it run Crysis?*
cinematic 24 fps
it actually runs it pretty damn well
I hope this meme never dies, it gets even more ridiculous as time goes on hahahha
not sure why in this video is doesnt run too well, randomgaminginhd got it to run significantly better
Looks like it is the beginning of the new era of pc gaming.
Cheap, upgradable, useful and capable, now we can say pc is truly the masterrace.
Best review of 2200G on youtube.. DF is so underrated..
This CPU is basically a Console. Xbox one and PS4. 1080p 30fps.
SpicyHotTech they are essentially the same.
Jason Bjorn the ryzen 5 2400g comes close or sometimes beats the ps4, but due to console optimization the ps4 would be able to play games with better graphics and/or framerate.
SpicyHotTech no it's not. The only thing running for the ps4 is the better GPU (HD 7870 with gddr5) but the cpu is abysmal. The ps4 has 1.8 teraflops whereas the ryzen 5 2400g has 1.76 teraflops
SpicyHotTech I understand my friend.
There most probably will be a R7 version like 2700G. If that can give rx560~gtx1050 lvl performance then that will be a legit buy for me specially in this gpu crysis we live now.
Kinda unlikely since even this low end model struggles under RAM intensive loads. For anything more you would need faster RAM but the modules used here already were high end parts so there's no headroom. It already is impressive enough that the vega cores in this low end apu here run so well with regular RAM since that architecture was designed to be used with HBM2 originally.
Shibajee Roy I would be happy with 1030 or 750ti level performance and proper dedicated vram, fast ddr4 prices are currently double compared to last year and ddr4 is still not great as vram
MasterControl90 the Ryzen 5 2400g performs just like a GT 1030 with an i3
Maybe with quad-channel RAM controller it would make sense. Now a dual-channel 3200 GHz DDR4 is your bottleneck in most scenarios. Quad-channel RAM controller is more expensive, requires 4 sticks of RAM and it would make less fiscal sense.
There's not gonna be any other apus besides these two. There simply isn't enough space to fit more cores and vega on the same chip while still using the current am4 socket.
so far, this is the only video that treats this APU with respect it deserves
build a budget pc for 500 euro :)
Ryzen 3 2200G
MSI B450M Pro-M2
2x4gb PC2666 ram Crucial Ballistix Sport
Crucial MX500 500gb SSD
Thermaltake 600w PSU
MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
Sharkoon vg5-w
Runs great and more than satisfied for 1080p gaming.
Okay, I don't want to sound negative, so let me just start this off by saying that I think this is incredible. AMD continues to push the integrated graphics market to new heights and I'm impressed. However... the fact that the performance is highly dependent on the RAM is something that cannot be overlooked. Especially not these days when DDR4 RAM prices are higher than they've ever been. Look. I'm not exactly a math genius but even I can see that as of right now, in spite of the very competitive price of the APU itself, the RAM prices balance it out against the Intel + Nvidia combo. In fact the latter might even turn out cheaper. You see the thing is, this APU requires a specific motherboard type and some rather expensive RAM to trade blows against the competition, while on the other hand, you could grab any old Dell tower from some office, slap a GT 1030 in it and all of a sudden you've got an entry level gaming PC.
Difference is that when GPU prices drop back down, you can buy one and toss it in your 2200G system and you still have a good CPU to work with. Your CPU also has an upgrade path later on if you need it. Do that in your old Dell tower and welcome to bottleneck city, and forget about an upgrade. At least based on the old Dell towers present where I work.
The APU based system is cheper.
mjc0961 Well see, we don't know when that'll be. So for right now, it's no big loss as long as you don't overpay for the tower. I'm talking about like 50 bucks at the most for like a core 2 duo with DDR2 RAM kind of old. By the time you wanted to upgrade (which, honestly, if you're trying to pay 100 bucks for an APU which is both your CPU and your GPU, I really don't expect you to be doing so soon, otherwise you might as well not attempt anything like this at all and just keep saving), then it's just a matter of taking the GPU out and putting the tower back on sale for the same price, and then selling the GPU as well. Again, this stuff is so cheap, you'll have gotten your money's worth by then.
Exactly, this APU is slower than 10 year old computer with 8 year old GPU. You can build $150 computer that will kill it, for example $30 Xeon E5450 @4ghz + GTX 570/660.
Sir Caco i don't fully agree with you as almost all ddr4 ram can hit 2933mhz on 1.35v & a good amount of those ram can also do 3200mhz quite easily. Furthermore some a320 am4 motherboards are now allowing overclocking.
Why cant we get an APU that is similar to the xbox one x or ps4 pro?
Believe me you don't want that shitty jaguar inside a windows machine or a gaming machine even.
Darzo cuz their CPU are potato level dude... It is well know that the reason that this Gen sucks in fps is cuz the amd jaguar CPU is bullcrap
It won't sell well at all because you can't upgrade the graphics. PC gamers want upgradable parts.
Mister C it would br good to have an apu with ryzen level cpu power and powerful graphics (rx 580 or better) maybe in the future this will happen so we can get ultra slim gaming pcs;)
No chance. As seen in this video even this low end apu struggles with RAM bandwith intensive tasks. And those were high end modules they used. There's a reason why higher end gpus use dedicated highspeed VRAM. The vega architecture even uses HBM2 because it's so bandwith intensive.
The best part about this is that if you are planning on buying this for say... a kid, a kid that does not play these AAA titles and all they want to do is play Feed and Grow Fish, School of Dragons, Minecraft and Star Stables online as well as browser based games... it's beyond perfect. You don't even need the super fast RAM (but i would still recommend dual channel)... For a first custom PC, its a beast.
HOLY SHIT I’ve seen this soc everywhere but I didn’t know it was that powerful.
Jesus Christ, someone nail this man's hands to the desk. He flails around like a sign language speaker being tasered.
thats just being a good interactive speaker
when Ryzen 3 2200G CPU alone out preforms xbone and ps4 LMFAO
It doesn't (albeit its not far behind), and even then its a little over 4yrs newer. Not seeing what's 'LMFAO' worthy about that.:P
HOLYONE A.K.A Ultimate Gamer It’s not faster due tp lack of memory bandwidth which hurts a lotIt’s comparable to Xbox One GPU.
HOLYONE A.K.A Ultimate Gamer Not quite. The next APU is about there, 5 years later....
This statement is maybe just for me, since I' a "console" and a kid, but yeah. WOW!! you can run games at 900p@60fps, 30fps/1080p@30fps on that???. That's really awesome!
My 2200G@3,9Ghz (all core) with 16gb@3200mhz for 11 months has been a perfect budget gaming pc (ps gpu is stock at stock as no gpu oc in bios).
A tip for games, test for the med fps and give 5% slower limit, as i have found out with limiting games, for example 40fps and using medium settings at 800 to 900p will have the best results.
Never use blur or motion effects or hair works and try to keep the shadows & shades low and tessellation at minimum.
Main problem with the performance in this video is because of the drivers fere't ready yet, the drivers got to maturity at dec.2018 that gave 20%-35% more performance cross the board. (there were couple anomalies tho)
xbone is already dead though
EcchiRevenge Not the X. But XBONE is such a bad piece of hardware.
Lai Jacky why?
pisspoor cpu
Lai Jacky Think about what the Xbox One gives you. a $250 console that allows you to play all AAA multiplats at 1080p/900p locked 30fps, media stream capabilities and 4k disc support. To call the xbox a bad piece of hardware seems silly when you look at the price and its features. Also if you look at this APU its $99. you would still need to buy overpriced fast ram, a case, psu, hdd the total for that "budget PC would be near or over $400 easy. I really think what the Xbox One S give you fo the money makes it a nice value and im a PC guy saying this.
Minmataro718 i think the 150$ extra is worth the freedom it affords you, you dont have to pay a 60$ a year fee to play your games online, you can modify and customize most games as you see fit, connect multipul monitors to watch a movie and play a game at the same time, and this cpu isnt bad at professional workloads like photoshop, animation, and game design if you decide you want to try it later on, and since you dont buy a gpu now 2 or 3 years down the line you could put a graphics card in it itll be very capable of taking advantage of it. Theres a lot of advantages to this solution
Edit: my friend is planing to do a 350$ build using this apu, so weve read into it quite a bit. That includes an ssd and a nice powersupply so we can drop the price to roughly 280-290$ if 350$ was out of reach
This is just embarrassing for the consoles. A $99 toaster CPU performs in the same ball park area that they do? Crazy.
Dis means?
SpicyHotTech They need to release the Xbox Xx and the PS4 Pro Pro then.
To be fair, technology has advanced quite a bit over the past five years. This level of performance at this price was unthinkable back in 2012 or 2013.
SpicyHotTech Yeah, but I think they should call them then Pro Pro models.
fcukugimmeausername kid, the base consoles were released in 2013....this is tech from 2018. What are you smoking lol
Sooooo glad to see this, these are awesome results, hope AMD pushes advertising for this APU hard!
Haha "Post-Processing Pipeline" that's a nice sounding tricolon! :D
R3 2200G the XBOX 360 killer.
Philip Cooper I know you are being sarcastic but it is actually way faster than a 360
More like Xbox One level.
Black Widow more or less, it depends on the game
Well, no. You see, the game devs actually optimise games for Xbox one. On the other hand, no body really cares about APUs.
Philip Cooper I'm sorry but did we watched the same video? Ofc the new apus are not console killers yet they offer a somewhat similar experience "depending" on the game. In this video they show the 2200g but the 2400g gpu is actually faster and not by a little margin. Also one thing they have more compared to consoles is cpu performance left, people buying a 2400g will have the bare minimum to have an xones/ps4slim like experience but they still have plenty of cpu horsepower to support a future upgrade to a dedicated gpu and higher framerates... Too bad ram prices are currently insane, those apus would be the PC gaming on the budget sweet dream for gamers on the cheap.
Put it in laptops and then we'll talk.
Ryzen for laptops already launched a couple months ago.
NM64 - Nintendo Maniac 64 ah, are there any under £500?
theyre really rare outside of the US and i think even in the US, they also seem to be pretty overpriced for us here in Aus
YES! I've been waiting for a review that explores exactly what it will take to hit playable fps with the 2200G. Really impressed by this.
Excellent review, DF
Thanks. Got exactly what I was looking for.
but can it mine? ;D
Yeah but pubg at 30fps is a good way to get killed quickly.
Not on xbox.
If nobody can hit anything then you won't die as quickly
lol
Simon everyone loses in a Xbox game of pubg, especially the guy who wins because he had to play it the longest.
that's kind of true lmao
fcukugimmeausername No, the one who gets second loses the most because he also spent the longest time playing and didn't even win the game.
If you play PUBG at 30 on a PC, you're playing with other PC players, not Xbox players.
Jumping from 2400 Mhz to 3000 Mhz does wonders to the performance of this iGPU. I found it to be about 40% more expensive, but considering the performance boost, it really makes up for it. I would recommend getting 8 GB of 3000 Mhz RAM, and skimping on some other part of the build if you really need to.
I just put together a all used parts build with a 2200g, A320M mobo, 256gb NVME and 8gb 3000 ram. All for about $200. Kids are more than happy with its performance.
DF is my favourite tech/gaming channel..so detailed videos
I think one of the most exciting aspects of this for me is the possibility of the gaming competent ultra small form factor builds. The thought of throwing this in something the size of a NUC is exciting to me
I'm a casual gamer, i don't game much and when i do i play fortnite or gta V, this APU is just amazing for my type of usage.
I'm using a 720p TV as my monitor, it's far from perfect, but more than enough for my needs, so this APU was a bit of a no-brainer for someone budget-minded like myself and knowing I'd be using it at a lower than current standard resolution by default. I also paired it up with my old GTX 750 Ti from my old system, just so I could get away with slightly slower/cheaper memory and everything seems to be going quite well so far. It may help that I don't care much for AAA games, but it's handled everything I've thrown at it so far with respectable performance.
Yeah i would totally agree amd should introduce ryzen 2300G later just like DF recommended..a 4c8thread vega8 apu for $120-130 is so much needed
Is it me? Or is somebody else excited by the implications of what this next generation will look like when the next step in memory hits and we can hit 5k-6k on system memory. This would have made every title in this video that was struggling be 30+ frames. This looks to be the first competent setup and I am always excited to see where these APU's will lead into the future, especially as these processes shrink and they can put more compute and stream processor cores on the same chip.... Raises glass, to the future....
You don't need to set 2g to vram, you only hurt the CPU performance because you are capping the memory to vram.
You should choose the smaller cap for vram and if they need more, it will automatically take from pool memory. UA-camr already posted the capping doesn't made different and only increase 1 or 2 fps.
It’s great that this is an option now, but I wish AMD went a little higher on the IGPU specs for a few models. I know they still can and might, but it would be great to give people a solid 1080@60 offering for this crazy crypto point in time!
Fantastic bit of kit, If you can build this into a mini itx board I'd be tempted to build a lan box.
Hopefully AMD will release a similar APU but utilizing Navi graphics
I'd still say to go for the 2400g as not only does it give a bit more oomph from the get go, it has a bit more longevity in it especially if you get a dedicated GPU for it in the future. Mind you I am aware that that may be a bit of a stretch for some, as my grandfather always used to say "it doesn't matter if it s $1 more or $1000 more, if you haven't got anymore money you can't pay any more", but if you can, i'd say the 2400g is the better option in the long run.
If Valve wants to try the stream machine again, this APU would be a perfect fit
Would love to see the same depth in a review of the 2400G!
Wow, colour me impressed! If my lil nephew ever wants a decent gaming PC, I will build him one with this APU in mind for sure!
Probably could have hit a solid 30fps in Destiny 2 if the lowest Ambient Occlusion setting wasn't so demanding, would have been nice if they included the more simple SSAO found on Consoles.
Too bad DDR4 memories are still expensive as hell. Glad to see some awesome budget APU.
Soooo, the CPU side of this APU will be in the next generation of consoles, but with a more powerful GPU. 2 of them to be more precise, to make it compatibile with the old Jaguar (2x4 cores). It could be something...
You can actually put GPU with this APU later on if you want some more performance, no need to upgrade whole system.
Nice review, budget gaming is very important for the games industry as it helps with residual income from older titles and helps out indie developers. Though, new titles like Battlefield One and Star Wars Battlefront 2 are very playable on this APU, especially when overclocking the GPU segment, which scales up FPS nicely.
It's crazy how much value AMD gives their customers.
Loving the "exorcism" hand gestures Richard throws out every vid! Keep up the cleansing!
Looks like 2200G will be my next build now, for starting up my projects... And moderate gaming :D
I’m building a pc for my wife she not much of a gamer, this apu is perfect, and cheap. Maybe we will end up buying a graphics card but meanwhile this is gold. I like how AMD is finally coming back.
Btw I have a i5 7600k and a gtx 1070.
Building a PC for a friend and may go with this CPU, but might wait for next gen, the 3000 series Ryzen 3. He pays some older games, Left 4 Dead 2, Skyrim Special Edition, prob heavy mods on that and a few others.