I would definitely recommend swarmers over the exotic class item and switch to Strand. 30% more damage per threalding, more uptime on unraveling, more threadlings over all
And if you're feeling kinda goofy you could run Rain of Fire for Radiant on every kill on Euphony. It would also reload all of your weapons every time you enter Weavewalk.
They equal out damage wise between strand and prismatic due to star eaters on the class item. It’s like a 20k damage difference total between the two classes from tests I seen a few days ago.
Properly built, pris will be more threadlings than Strand. You can also do inmost verity, so most of your threadlings will get a much larger damage boost than 30%. After that, it's a consideration of devour vs more consistent unravel
swapping out the strand gl for the pale heart machine gun with demolitionist makes grenade uptime crazy cause of devour + you generate super energy (ive heard that euphony also counts for the origin trait and you can run the healing auto too for the utility and itll give an absurd amount of energy) but this lets you save the linear for more heavy damage and the machine gun for your smaller stuff
only buffs the initial impacts. the detonations of the needles count as threadlings, not super damage, so star eaters is only effectively 21% boost to needlestorm
9:15 Unless it got patched recently, threadlings spawned from Phoenix Dive are unable to attach to the player for later use, hence the recommendation for HR over PD. But if all you ever use PD for is spawning threadlings, it generally should be good enough
@@christopherjackson9741 This is the issue with replying to months old comments. No, when i made that comment Phoenix Dive and Weaver's Call did not work properly. You had to use Healing Rift instead for it to work. However, that was patched last week.
I agree on the 2 fragments that got taken out, yet you did misread the 2nd one. It regenerates health on melee kill, not just powered melee kill. Could be useful when not having devour up, but would change it too
@Matics - i wonder if a demolitionist/hatchling marcatto heavy would be good with this build.... also,i agree with the demolitionist on the primary ammo weapon as well.
I'm 50-50 really when I look at this build... I do like the idea of having Threadlings spawn with every damage from Euphony, which also helps it's Spindle stacks, but the problem with the build is to run it on Prismatic or Pure Strand. The reason for this is because of the facets we have for Prismatic that don't help the Threadling Damage unlike Thread of Evolution for Pure Strand, not to mention from what I've heard, Spirit of the Star-Eater does not help the Threadling Damage for Needlestorm anymore. (I could be wrong) Pure Strand Warlocks also don't have much uptime to getting their grenade or healing rift back unless you're running the fragment that gives you grenade energy on damage and the fragment that gives class ability on suspended kill, which you would need either the Wanderer Aspect to suspend targets if they are hit by the blast from your Tangle or the Exotic chest piece that suspends targets whenever you kill a unraveled foe with enemies nearby or waste all three powered melees on a single target. But at the same time, Swarmers help with the damage somewhat for Threadlings for both classes, especially when your threadlings can unravel foes, allowing you to create more Tangles for the blast from the artifact mod but also creates more threadlings from your tangle. Sorry for the over analysis on this build... 😅
personally on prismatic id do verity/hoil class item for increased generation with devour and hoil and increase the threadling damage for every grenade thrown by over 100% and more regen. Then swarmers for strand
I main strand lock, I’d probably would run swarmers with weavewalk and the the aspect for the class ability. But if it’s pris lock I would use the class item with nerco with swarmers with needle because the poison plus unravel plus threading’s is so much dot dmg then u can focus dps with linear. Also with the artifact mod with the tangle would also be good here. Weapons I really doesn’t matter but would look for something with demo and wellspring
mh @17:07 you could go for harmonic resistance for your strand chest mod, and switch the discipline and recovery mods from chest and class item so you can slot a single mod on you class item for melee or nade
i like to use euphony with strand warlock with apotheosis and threadling grenade. lets me run an lmg for add clear while using euphony for boss dps. for dps, you toss a threadling grenade, super then alternate between grenade and shooting euphony to get to spindle x25 then keep shooting euphony. lets me keep up with still hunt hunters in damage. can also use this build on prismatic with apotheosis on the exotic class item but strand gets extra threadling damage and the damage really adds up.
I have a build idea: warlock The healing speaker Prismatic Super: Song of flame Phoenix dive Melee: Arcane needle Grenade: healing grenade Aspects: feed the void hellion Fragments: Facet of purpose Facet of hope Facet of courage Facet of sacrifice Facet of grace Exotics: speaker's sight and lumina Weapons: No hesitation with circle of life or attrition orbs Heavey any dps weapon Stats: 100-recovey 100-discipline 80-100-resilence Mods: Helmet:Harmonic and kinetic siphon, power preservation Arms:double focusing strike, impact induction Chest:concussive dampener, resistance mod of your choice Legs:double insulation, invigoration Class item:reaper,bomer,powerful attraction Play style This build is focused around healing and keeping your teams health, supers and trandsence up at all time The play loop is use grenade the Phoenix dive then get kills with melee and use your reposite to hip fire heal your teammates.
Love this idea! But solar just does what this setup wants to do, but better! But that isn’t to say it’s not good either way can hold up anywhere if you want it to
Hey Mactics if you're looking for a solid demolitionist weapon for the build, look no further than Optative! It comes with demo in the third column AND wellspring in the fourth. Both enhanced will give you 20% grenade energy back per kill!
20:17 yeah if you don't have a HOIL exotic item, a demo energy primary of choice with the right siphon (void or arc or solar and match the weapon) is a great, great way to get nade energy back as it's the only thing really lacking here with the tweaks. I was running Word of Crota Demo with this build and it feels good but lacks the ad-clearing punch if there's a better weapon out there with an AOE and Demo.
An alternative would be Osmiancy / Star-eater. Or Osmiancy + Verity's - you'd constantly have your threading grenade back and they'd be doing big damage. Something like Pro Memoria with Hatchling + Dragonfly would create even more thrradlings too
Build I just made for prismatic warlock was using, needlestorm, arcane needle, threadling grenade. Aspects are feed the void and weavers call. Fragments are protection, courage, hope, dawn and mending. I run the exotic mataiodoxia. Kinda scary how close that build is to mine.
Swarmers with prismatic and the rays exotic feels great. Constant devout and threadlings everywhere. In Duel Destiny I’ll always finish with 6-700 kills to their 200
I ran the legendary campaign on threadling lock and it was pretty good aside from health regen. If we could get the threadling buff from the fragment it would be chefs kiss on prismatic.
This is really close to what I'm messing around with, minus a few questionable fragments and a weapon I desperately need. Quick suggestions though, use Swarmers. You're going to be swimming in tangles if you do. Second, use Facet of Awakening. Your threadlings are going to start spawning AND popping tangles like mad. On top of that it seems like tangles created through the fragment don't count towards your cooldown but that's just what I've noticed, I could be wrong. The rest is just comfort really. Pair that with the current artifact and you're golden. Sadly no synergy with the Threaded Blast artifact mod, but is still really fun.
The euphony build is a strictly raid/dungeon boss build IMHO. Run it with an apotheosis/star eater class item, against the witness specifically run Nova Bomb instead of needlestorm since the needles act really funky against it and the spindle stacks from the super don’t compensate the lost damage compared to a 6x feast of light nova. Cast nova, spam threading nades to build the spindle stacks, fire euphony until damage ends, repeat. It’s almost still hunt levels of damage but it’s a really specific build, not something I’d use outside of the niche it’s REALLY good at
solitude is rly rly good for appling debuff to crowds, very free, any wep can do it, fast firing weps do it best, and it generates a tangle from a zero strand wep or ability kind of build, id only use it with a strand wep and threaded blast tho. but yea i also dont see the facet of mending , 3/4 threads wont be coded as origin from your nade so.. now with swarmers since the unravel would come from the thread nade, i think the nade bonus carried over alot, but mmhh
yeeeeaaah ngl i think the OP for the build had the right idea for two different builds that got mushed together and played quite differently considering they had no use of the melee other than a heavy handed to occasionally take a crowd and get a few orbs from them i think ill try it on both full strand and the subclass change you made but id still try necrotic after changing to threaded needle
i run this with song of flame super and an osmiomancy harmony bond with solar primary.. if you weave your class ability in your song of flame rotation, you can pre build about 16 spindle stacks ready for when your super finishes.
Strand itself has no healing option. You will get annihlated if you get sorrounded by a ton of heavy hitting enemies unless you switch to prismatic which can proc devour for all your ability kills. Staying alive matters the most specially in end game content 😊
This was somewhat similar to the build I put together as soon as I got the exotic. I went for arcane needle as the melee and Dawn, Balance, Purpose, Courage and Bravery for my fragments. And on the class item I used a star-eater+apotheosis combo, though I can see an argument for a swarmers combo for tangles making threadlings. Also, a scavenger mod and special finisher help a LOT with your euphony ammo uptime. For a Strand version of the build, I initially tried to run weaver's call+weavewalk with rain of fire, but got more success from a wanderer+weaver's call+swarmers build (though apotheosis can also work really well)
No, I run the same build, ósmio and swarmers is what you want and solitude is good for it as it allows for on timer tangle generation that has increased range this season and also spawns threadlings bcuz of swarmers, I also recommend a hatchling machine gun for when you run out of special ammo to maintain spindle at max stacks
Respectfully, I believe you are using this build incorrectly. This isnt a build for ad clear, euphony isnt for that. Euphony is for boss dps, pair it with Apotheosis + Star Eater. That's what the weapon is for. Pair that with your Cataphract and use it for dps. That's where the weapon is at it's top potential.
I was hoping you’d love necrotic/star eaters. It’s the best I’ve had drop. I know necrotic isn’t meta or best in slot, but I’ve loved them since the day they came out. I remember grinding lost sectors about 35 under power until they dropped, lol.
Run hunter prismatic with silence and squall, grapple, comb blow, gambler's dodge, and for aspects, run gunpowder and spectre. For fragments, this isn't too demanding, but minimum you want the one that makes you radiant on melee kills, and the one that makes ability kills give darkness energy (if you have a light buff) all of the others are your choice. Use liars handshake for your exotic. For weapons, you can use whatever you lack, but for me I used the call, igneous hammer and dragon's breath. (Armor mods generally focused on giving super and dodge energy) Have fun!
yeah i very much preach using just one maybe two boot surges for when ya rly need the dmg or have good dmg to begin with, otw all 3 is when you just cant clear a dps check
Switch to the new strand machine gun(recon/desperate measures) for add clear and special ammo. Also spirit of apotheosis and harmony or stareater is better for the build
As a Strand warlock no life there are SO many ways to make this better. 0. Strand Lock would be 100% better then Prismatic. with Swarmers (weavers call and Weave walk) ( If you think Mindspun invo is good you failed math class in preschool.) (Mindspun is 5 plus rift is 3 = 8) ( Weave walk is 5 plus rift 3, PLUS nade 3 = 11) IF we are forced to be prismatic for this 1. Pheonix dive 100% 2. Melee doesnt matter Snap good for getting light energy or needle for unravel. 3. You want MAX Discipline and max Recov so you can spam Dive. The Facet that gives class ability regen while buffed by light buffs is good. obviously combine this with melee gives raidiant. 4. IDEAL CLASS ITEM would be Osmeo with Swarmers. Throwing a thread nade with osemo gives like 65% of it back. it then kills the target and devour prob tops you off. meaning you can just nade nade nade nade not even shooting a shot. I COULD keep going but I am going to make a video on this soon
Will it build submission Title - Ignition Gambler Subclass - Prismatic Aspects - Stylish + Gunpowder Fragments - Hope, Purpose, Bravery, Ruin, Blessing/Protection (whichever you like better) Melee - Threaded spike Grenade - Grapple Dodge - Gamblers Exotic - Class item with Caliban + Cyrtarachne Highly recommend a light weapon in energy slot like funnel web or something Rest do as you please. Gameplay loop - use your melee, get it back by gamblers dodge, ideally use gunpowder gamble and you also get woven mail from it, use grapple to refresh woven mail and continue loop. I usually use deadfall with microcosm because I’m mainly farming DD but any good PvE super should work well
At about 21 minutes you mention having all your abilities down, but won't take to long to get them back. Don't forget you also have transcendence, which will refresh them
IMO, you really underrate Incinerator Snap and overrate Arcane Needle. Incinerator Snap is on-demand ignitions. It can clear a wave of enemies with ease regardless of the content difficulty (ignitions caused by Incinerator Snap count as power melee damage btw), stun Unstoppable champions, AND has a shorter cooldown than an individual Arcane Needle. Arcane Needle, while useful, is pure utility. Unless you're fighting Thralls, the only thing it can really do is apply Unravel or serve as a placeholder for multiple Lightning Surge charges.
This is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know if micro does more damage in this mission? Mac testing euphony damage reminded me. I was hitting for almost 23k per shot on the final bosses, which is like 7k more than I've ever been able to do
I don't think it does more damage in that mission, but I heard that tormentors and subjugators are considered to have a shield all the time, so that part of micro is active for them.
Will you be doing a pure Strand/Swarmers version of this build? Love the content BTW. Keep up the great work. Much love from the UK. #Prismactic (posted this before the end of the vid, lol)
not even kidding @12:50 swarmers in its entirety feels like its a half class item, and it should be, id rather have the unraveling that the threads on the class anyway, i dunno what swarmers would add tho other than more dmg or maybe one more appropriatly one more thread per every single generation source, rift call 8 threads not 14 no no, also threadlings with thread of evolution and boots+mission surge AND SPINDLE adds a friggan LOT TO THREADLINGS GENERATED BY EUPHO SHEEEEESSSH
holy shit maxing out mission surge and evo is just 58% on threads all the time, AND on the unravel dmg that comes form them..i think then another 50% on spindle when that generates after its stacked up
I don't like the gun frame . Three burst will be good only on big slow boss raid because when you have enemy moving fast you have to follow the burst on their head. I know it's work but If it is normal linear would be much easier
I haven't played since shadowkeep and I started playing again this season bc of final shape, and the whole time I've been building something exactly like this. Swarmers would definitely work better because of the unraveling and i would use phoenix dive with weavers call to have 3+ threadlings on demand on a low cooldown. don't have euphony yet so i've been using the call but it will definitely elevate the build. Crazy how great minds can think alike sometimes
I have a will it build. The everything hunter - gathering buffs and debuffing targets as a fun build that clears up. Golden gun prismatic - gives healing on orb pick up Threaded spike - severs targets to reduce their damage Duskfield to slow enemies and proc stylish executioner Gunpowder gamble for burst damage Fragments are : sacrifice, solitude, blessing,devotion and purpose Use a void weapon with repulser brace , my pick is the age old bond auto rifle Exotic is gyrfalcon or class item , perfect combo would be with renewal but not gotten that roll yet.
The problem with transcendent will it builds is people are too lazy to grind all the rolls, they make a throw together build for what exotic class item they have then submit, instead of grinding for that perfect roll and really perfecting a build and then submitting. Its sad.
I spent 1 day grinding the mission dou le rolls. And a week and a half grinding chests and most of my rolls were necrotic star eaters. Or stag star eaters/arc pulse. Sometimes rngeesus is against you.
@@jasonprice9823 I do. That why I don't submit will it builds. I would rather leave it for the players that grind all the rolls, test them out and know what they're doing.
Prismatic hunter - inmost light/gyrfalcons or verity, gunpowder gamble, stylish executioner, threaded spike, duskfield, pretty much infinite melees, transcendence makes you unstoppable with infinite back to back grenades and melees with very high duration
Pure strand with swarmers is a million times better. Thread of evolution, thread of continuity, thread of fury, and thread of rebirth. Weaver's call and Weavewalk. Euphony, No Hesitation, Pro Memoria (hatchling + dragonfly) Proc weavewalk to get 5 perched threadlings cast rift for 8 threadlings (5 perched and 3 from the cast) throw threadling grenade you are at 11 stacks of spindle before you even get a proc of hatchling from Pro Memoria or Euphony. With thread of rebirth you generate even more threadlings. And thread of fury gets you melee energy back to weavewalk more. Also because of swarmers when you destroy a tangle you get 2 threadlings.
What makes it really cracked for general play is actually using inmost/star eaters class item and instead of euphony you use a Gathering Light void ergo sum. Absolute carnage and non-stop threadlings and volatile.
spent the better part of the weekend watching this guys streams and his attitude in his youtube videos (even though he records them whilst streaming) is completely different to his attitude while streaming, nearly everything he says is either condescending or said in a condescending way, essentially his way or you’re wrong, don’t agree with him or have a difference of opinion and you’re banned, especially if you don’t follow up with a “i am sorry” or something synonymous to it was very shocked when i witnessed a lot of the stuff i did this weekend, definitely won’t be going back to the stream nor these youtube videos
Will it Build Submission Subclass: Prismatic Super: Silence and Squall Aspects: Winter's Shroud, Threaded Specter Fragments: Facet of Dawn, Facet of Protection, Facet of Ruin, Facet of Purpose, Facet of Command, Facet of Devotion Melee: Throwing Knives Dodge: Acrobats Grenade: Dealer's Choice Exotic Armor: Mask of Bahkris Exotic Weapon: Ager's Scepter Special Weapon: Anything with Arc Heavy: Dealer's Choice Mods: Helmet (Special Ammo Finder, Dynamo, Harmonic Siphon) Chest (Charged up) Legs (Recuperation, Better Already, Insulation) Class item (Reaper, Special Finisher) Gameplay loop is rather simple, Dodge to trigger Radiance, Aspects will slow enemies and create a specter, Mask of Bahkris will give u x4 stasis and arc damage. If fighting a boss or champion use Ager's alt mode to deal even more damage. If Radiance runs out, use powered Melee to restart it.
I have a Build: (Hunter) Frost Support "Prismatic Subclass" Super: Silence and Squall Gambler's Dodge Melee: Threaded Spike Granade: Duskfield Aspects: Gunpowder Gamble / Stylish Executioner Fragments: Facet of Purpose, Ruin, Protecction, Dawn, Solitude Exotics: Renewal Grasp / Revision Zero (Vorpal Weapon - Four time's the charm) Weapon's: Sec: Either blinding nades or No Hesitation for supporting teammates Heavy: Any god damage heavy, Apex, Edge or the new Scintillation Stats: 100 Resilience 100 Discipline 80-100 Mobility Mods: Double / Triple Kinetic Surge Double Granade Kickstart Power Preservation Play Style: Using the new frost armor from the nades to push, getting sacks of Hunter's Trace, healing allies, stunning both Barrier and Overload Champs, once stunned use all snipershots to destroy the champ and repeat, heal, charge, frost armor pop ult and keep teammates safe.
I would definitely recommend swarmers over the exotic class item and switch to Strand. 30% more damage per threalding, more uptime on unraveling, more threadlings over all
And if you're feeling kinda goofy you could run Rain of Fire for Radiant on every kill on Euphony. It would also reload all of your weapons every time you enter Weavewalk.
They equal out damage wise between strand and prismatic due to star eaters on the class item. It’s like a 20k damage difference total between the two classes from tests I seen a few days ago.
Properly built, pris will be more threadlings than Strand. You can also do inmost verity, so most of your threadlings will get a much larger damage boost than 30%. After that, it's a consideration of devour vs more consistent unravel
@@johnflory3306Pris doesn't out perform any properly built pure subclass. The fragments don't allow for specifics only ability regen.
@@gabrielmcandrew3487 plus the damage bonus from thread of evolution (if I remember well?) that is no joke
swapping out the strand gl for the pale heart machine gun with demolitionist makes grenade uptime crazy cause of devour + you generate super energy (ive heard that euphony also counts for the origin trait and you can run the healing auto too for the utility and itll give an absurd amount of energy) but this lets you save the linear for more heavy damage and the machine gun for your smaller stuff
Euphony unfortunately doesn’t, but Ergo Some, Microcosm, and Still Hunt do
Apparently Star-Eaters doesn't give Needlestorm the full 70% damage boost
only buffs the initial impacts. the detonations of the needles count as threadlings, not super damage, so star eaters is only effectively 21% boost to needlestorm
they dont buff the threadlings which is a huge part of the total super damage
9:15 Unless it got patched recently, threadlings spawned from Phoenix Dive are unable to attach to the player for later use, hence the recommendation for HR over PD. But if all you ever use PD for is spawning threadlings, it generally should be good enough
They do...... always have..... even the ones from hatchling perk
@@christopherjackson9741 This is the issue with replying to months old comments. No, when i made that comment Phoenix Dive and Weaver's Call did not work properly. You had to use Healing Rift instead for it to work. However, that was patched last week.
I agree on the 2 fragments that got taken out, yet you did misread the 2nd one. It regenerates health on melee kill, not just powered melee kill. Could be useful when not having devour up, but would change it too
@Matics - i wonder if a demolitionist/hatchling marcatto heavy would be good with this build.... also,i agree with the demolitionist on the primary ammo weapon as well.
I dig the out line of this vid, nice watching you play live and kinda talk through it all.
I'm 50-50 really when I look at this build...
I do like the idea of having Threadlings spawn with every damage from Euphony, which also helps it's Spindle stacks, but the problem with the build is to run it on Prismatic or Pure Strand. The reason for this is because of the facets we have for Prismatic that don't help the Threadling Damage unlike Thread of Evolution for Pure Strand, not to mention from what I've heard, Spirit of the Star-Eater does not help the Threadling Damage for Needlestorm anymore. (I could be wrong)
Pure Strand Warlocks also don't have much uptime to getting their grenade or healing rift back unless you're running the fragment that gives you grenade energy on damage and the fragment that gives class ability on suspended kill, which you would need either the Wanderer Aspect to suspend targets if they are hit by the blast from your Tangle or the Exotic chest piece that suspends targets whenever you kill a unraveled foe with enemies nearby or waste all three powered melees on a single target. But at the same time, Swarmers help with the damage somewhat for Threadlings for both classes, especially when your threadlings can unravel foes, allowing you to create more Tangles for the blast from the artifact mod but also creates more threadlings from your tangle.
Sorry for the over analysis on this build... 😅
personally on prismatic id do verity/hoil class item for increased generation with devour and hoil and increase the threadling damage for every grenade thrown by over 100% and more regen.
Then swarmers for strand
@@joesaunders84 That's actually an amazing build
Is it a thing that all youtubers that play destiny never have their weapons locked? Am I the only one that notices this? Lol
@@EnKayNemhe’s talking about locking the weapons so as to not accidentally dismantle them
@@cloneboss4295 Oooooooh, my bad then.
Just look before you infuse/dismantle and you too can have this power.
I have been running Inmost/Swarmers class item and been having a blast with Final Warning w/ Cata
I main strand lock, I’d probably would run swarmers with weavewalk and the the aspect for the class ability. But if it’s pris lock I would use the class item with nerco with swarmers with needle because the poison plus unravel plus threading’s is so much dot dmg then u can focus dps with linear. Also with the artifact mod with the tangle would also be good here. Weapons I really doesn’t matter but would look for something with demo and wellspring
mh @17:07 you could go for harmonic resistance for your strand chest mod, and switch the discipline and recovery mods from chest and class item so you can slot a single mod on you class item for melee or nade
or do this and you can switch the chest and arms stat mods and keep orbs from nade kills but get both class recharge mods
i like to use euphony with strand warlock with apotheosis and threadling grenade. lets me run an lmg for add clear while using euphony for boss dps. for dps, you toss a threadling grenade, super then alternate between grenade and shooting euphony to get to spindle x25 then keep shooting euphony. lets me keep up with still hunt hunters in damage. can also use this build on prismatic with apotheosis on the exotic class item but strand gets extra threadling damage and the damage really adds up.
I beleive you lose stacks shooting then nading. Though i just got it today so i havent seen
@@Deamonicme u do not, nothing consumes stack of spindle except letting the 10 second timer run out
I have a build idea: warlock
The healing speaker
Prismatic
Super:
Song of flame
Phoenix dive
Melee:
Arcane needle
Grenade:
healing grenade
Aspects:
feed the void
hellion
Fragments:
Facet of purpose
Facet of hope
Facet of courage
Facet of sacrifice
Facet of grace
Exotics: speaker's sight and lumina
Weapons:
No hesitation with circle of life or attrition orbs
Heavey any dps weapon
Stats:
100-recovey
100-discipline
80-100-resilence
Mods:
Helmet:Harmonic and kinetic siphon, power preservation
Arms:double focusing strike, impact induction
Chest:concussive dampener, resistance mod of your choice
Legs:double insulation, invigoration
Class item:reaper,bomer,powerful attraction
Play style
This build is focused around healing and keeping your teams health, supers and trandsence up at all time
The play loop is use grenade the Phoenix dive then get kills with melee and use your reposite to hip fire heal your teammates.
Love this idea! But solar just does what this setup wants to do, but better! But that isn’t to say it’s not good either way can hold up anywhere if you want it to
@mrsherm8639 I agree with you
Hey Mactics if you're looking for a solid demolitionist weapon for the build, look no further than Optative! It comes with demo in the third column AND wellspring in the fourth. Both enhanced will give you 20% grenade energy back per kill!
Where can I farm that?
@@ishspringerIf the Wishkeeper exotic mission is in the rotator, you can farm those undying weapons from clears of that when it’s active.
20:17 yeah if you don't have a HOIL exotic item, a demo energy primary of choice with the right siphon (void or arc or solar and match the weapon) is a great, great way to get nade energy back as it's the only thing really lacking here with the tweaks. I was running Word of Crota Demo with this build and it feels good but lacks the ad-clearing punch if there's a better weapon out there with an AOE and Demo.
You should absolutely try euphony with your previous Hunter decoy build !
An alternative would be Osmiancy / Star-eater. Or Osmiancy + Verity's - you'd constantly have your threading grenade back and they'd be doing big damage. Something like Pro Memoria with Hatchling + Dragonfly would create even more thrradlings too
Honestly, I've tried osmio with threading grenade and it's pretty lackluster. Only gets you about 30-40% of your grenade.
a marcatto with demolitionist/hatchling might be better than the pro memoria imo.
@@advirnig yeah very possibly. I like the super regen benefits when pairing The Call with Pro Memoria. But demo is useful for sure
Build I just made for prismatic warlock was using, needlestorm, arcane needle, threadling grenade. Aspects are feed the void and weavers call. Fragments are protection, courage, hope, dawn and mending. I run the exotic mataiodoxia. Kinda scary how close that build is to mine.
Swarmers with prismatic and the rays exotic feels great. Constant devout and threadlings everywhere. In Duel Destiny I’ll always finish with 6-700 kills to their 200
I ran the legendary campaign on threadling lock and it was pretty good aside from health regen. If we could get the threadling buff from the fragment it would be chefs kiss on prismatic.
This is really close to what I'm messing around with, minus a few questionable fragments and a weapon I desperately need.
Quick suggestions though, use Swarmers. You're going to be swimming in tangles if you do.
Second, use Facet of Awakening. Your threadlings are going to start spawning AND popping tangles like mad. On top of that it seems like tangles created through the fragment don't count towards your cooldown but that's just what I've noticed, I could be wrong.
The rest is just comfort really. Pair that with the current artifact and you're golden. Sadly no synergy with the Threaded Blast artifact mod, but is still really fun.
Swarmers plus weakening void grenade makes the difference for not using thread of evolution in a non strand only build
The euphony build is a strictly raid/dungeon boss build IMHO.
Run it with an apotheosis/star eater class item, against the witness specifically run Nova Bomb instead of needlestorm since the needles act really funky against it and the spindle stacks from the super don’t compensate the lost damage compared to a 6x feast of light nova.
Cast nova, spam threading nades to build the spindle stacks, fire euphony until damage ends, repeat.
It’s almost still hunt levels of damage but it’s a really specific build, not something I’d use outside of the niche it’s REALLY good at
solitude is rly rly good for appling debuff to crowds, very free, any wep can do it, fast firing weps do it best, and it generates a tangle from a zero strand wep or ability kind of build, id only use it with a strand wep and threaded blast tho. but yea i also dont see the facet of mending , 3/4 threads wont be coded as origin from your nade so..
now with swarmers since the unravel would come from the thread nade, i think the nade bonus carried over alot, but mmhh
yeeeeaaah ngl i think the OP for the build had the right idea for two different builds that got mushed together and played quite differently considering they had no use of the melee other than a heavy handed to occasionally take a crowd and get a few orbs from them
i think ill try it on both full strand and the subclass change you made but id still try necrotic after changing to threaded needle
i run this with song of flame super and an osmiomancy harmony bond with solar primary.. if you weave your class ability in your song of flame rotation, you can pre build about 16 spindle stacks ready for when your super finishes.
Strand itself has no healing option. You will get annihlated if you get sorrounded by a ton of heavy hitting enemies unless you switch to prismatic which can proc devour for all your ability kills. Staying alive matters the most specially in end game content 😊
This was somewhat similar to the build I put together as soon as I got the exotic.
I went for arcane needle as the melee and Dawn, Balance, Purpose, Courage and Bravery for my fragments. And on the class item I used a star-eater+apotheosis combo, though I can see an argument for a swarmers combo for tangles making threadlings.
Also, a scavenger mod and special finisher help a LOT with your euphony ammo uptime.
For a Strand version of the build, I initially tried to run weaver's call+weavewalk with rain of fire, but got more success from a wanderer+weaver's call+swarmers build (though apotheosis can also work really well)
No, I run the same build, ósmio and swarmers is what you want and solitude is good for it as it allows for on timer tangle generation that has increased range this season and also spawns threadlings bcuz of swarmers, I also recommend a hatchling machine gun for when you run out of special ammo to maintain spindle at max stacks
Respectfully, I believe you are using this build incorrectly. This isnt a build for ad clear, euphony isnt for that. Euphony is for boss dps, pair it with Apotheosis + Star Eater. That's what the weapon is for. Pair that with your Cataphract and use it for dps. That's where the weapon is at it's top potential.
I was hoping you’d love necrotic/star eaters. It’s the best I’ve had drop. I know necrotic isn’t meta or best in slot, but I’ve loved them since the day they came out. I remember grinding lost sectors about 35 under power until they dropped, lol.
Id personally use swarmers or star eater and apotheosis. Spam threadlings after the super and build stacks quickly
Run hunter prismatic with silence and squall, grapple, comb blow, gambler's dodge, and for aspects, run gunpowder and spectre. For fragments, this isn't too demanding, but minimum you want the one that makes you radiant on melee kills, and the one that makes ability kills give darkness energy (if you have a light buff) all of the others are your choice. Use liars handshake for your exotic. For weapons, you can use whatever you lack, but for me I used the call, igneous hammer and dragon's breath. (Armor mods generally focused on giving super and dodge energy) Have fun!
Do keep in mind you can use the new hunter cloak with calibans handshake if you have it, but I didn't
Mactics, at 17:28 You also could have got an extra 2 slots by reducing the recovery to +5 instead of leaving it +10
Apotheosis and strand class makes Euphony a dps monster. This one looks like it's a jack of all trades and master of none.
yeah i very much preach using just one maybe two boot surges for when ya rly need the dmg or have good dmg to begin with, otw all 3 is when you just cant clear a dps check
Switch to the new strand machine gun(recon/desperate measures) for add clear and special ammo. Also spirit of apotheosis and harmony or stareater is better for the build
As a Strand warlock no life there are SO many ways to make this better.
0. Strand Lock would be 100% better then Prismatic. with Swarmers (weavers call and Weave walk) ( If you think Mindspun invo is good you failed math class in preschool.) (Mindspun is 5 plus rift is 3 = 8) ( Weave walk is 5 plus rift 3, PLUS nade 3 = 11)
IF we are forced to be prismatic for this
1. Pheonix dive 100%
2. Melee doesnt matter Snap good for getting light energy or needle for unravel.
3. You want MAX Discipline and max Recov so you can spam Dive. The Facet that gives class ability regen while buffed by light buffs is good. obviously combine this with melee gives raidiant.
4. IDEAL CLASS ITEM would be Osmeo with Swarmers. Throwing a thread nade with osemo gives like 65% of it back. it then kills the target and devour prob tops you off. meaning you can just nade nade nade nade not even shooting a shot.
I COULD keep going but I am going to make a video on this soon
Swarmers on Strand would be better, but if you want to use the class item use apotheosis instead of necrotic and spam grenades to pump euphany damage
Will it build submission
Title - Ignition Gambler
Subclass - Prismatic
Aspects - Stylish + Gunpowder
Fragments - Hope, Purpose, Bravery, Ruin, Blessing/Protection (whichever you like better)
Melee - Threaded spike
Grenade - Grapple
Dodge - Gamblers
Exotic - Class item with Caliban + Cyrtarachne
Highly recommend a light weapon in energy slot like funnel web or something
Rest do as you please.
Gameplay loop - use your melee, get it back by gamblers dodge, ideally use gunpowder gamble and you also get woven mail from it, use grapple to refresh woven mail and continue loop.
I usually use deadfall with microcosm because I’m mainly farming DD but any good PvE super should work well
Blud is just copying blunders build lmao😂😂
took Punders build word for word bar for bar
Try this: starfire protocol, no hesitation(physic/inc), benevolence on solar. Bring back fusion grenade nukes on low CD
The Star Wars references are top tier
Spirit of inmost light and swarmers for the class exotic would be cool
Make a updated swarmers strand build please
At about 21 minutes you mention having all your abilities down, but won't take to long to get them back. Don't forget you also have transcendence, which will refresh them
I feel like whoever created this didn't understand Devour.
IMO, you really underrate Incinerator Snap and overrate Arcane Needle.
Incinerator Snap is on-demand ignitions. It can clear a wave of enemies with ease regardless of the content difficulty (ignitions caused by Incinerator Snap count as power melee damage btw), stun Unstoppable champions, AND has a shorter cooldown than an individual Arcane Needle. Arcane Needle, while useful, is pure utility. Unless you're fighting Thralls, the only thing it can really do is apply Unravel or serve as a placeholder for multiple Lightning Surge charges.
does heart of inmost light proc on the multi-melee abilities? when i use it i never see it proc on the needle melee
This is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know if micro does more damage in this mission? Mac testing euphony damage reminded me. I was hitting for almost 23k per shot on the final bosses, which is like 7k more than I've ever been able to do
I don't think it does more damage in that mission, but I heard that tormentors and subjugators are considered to have a shield all the time, so that part of micro is active for them.
Do you look at older videos for Will it build ideas? I have a good one to share
that helmet ornament is fire. What is it called?
You should have the people who summit give reasoning for their choices so you can understand the build better
spirit of star-eater on needle storm is nerfed, not really good to use it, also the dmg buff dont goes on the threadlings
Will you be doing a pure Strand/Swarmers version of this build? Love the content BTW. Keep up the great work. Much love from the UK. #Prismactic (posted this before the end of the vid, lol)
This is somewhat similar to a build i run. I run needle melee with necrotics, pheonix dive and hellion though.
Can u do a tutorial on how to get the armor
I wish I could use grapple grenade and consume it to get weaver trance to suspend with necrotic and thorn on prismatic but I can’t and it suck’s 😢
Was a 25:27 video necessary?
not even kidding @12:50 swarmers in its entirety feels like its a half class item, and it should be, id rather have the unraveling that the threads on the class anyway, i dunno what swarmers would add tho other than more dmg or maybe one more appropriatly one more thread per every single generation source, rift call 8 threads not 14 no no,
also threadlings with thread of evolution and boots+mission surge AND SPINDLE adds a friggan LOT TO THREADLINGS GENERATED BY EUPHO SHEEEEESSSH
holy shit maxing out mission surge and evo is just 58% on threads all the time, AND on the unravel dmg that comes form them..i think
then another 50% on spindle when that generates after its stacked up
do u take pvp builds for these episodes?
I don't like the gun frame . Three burst will be good only on big slow boss raid because when you have enemy moving fast you have to follow the burst on their head. I know it's work but If it is normal linear would be much easier
This isn't a build review. The build was trash. Euphony looks amazing tho.
inmost light+swarm probably a better combo
I haven't played since shadowkeep and I started playing again this season bc of final shape, and the whole time I've been building something exactly like this. Swarmers would definitely work better because of the unraveling and i would use phoenix dive with weavers call to have 3+ threadlings on demand on a low cooldown. don't have euphony yet so i've been using the call but it will definitely elevate the build. Crazy how great minds can think alike sometimes
This should really be "mactics fix my build" with everyone submitting builds as were getting the only rolls we can get.
Ahh yes "warlord" my favourite subclass
Grenade orbs don’t make much sense to me considering threadling kills don’t count as grenade kills, no?
Mactics with the raid Day 1 clear flex cause who has this weapon besides Day 1 clearers
Why did he make the Clone Wars reference in this video instead of the video about hunter clones XD
I have a will it build.
The everything hunter - gathering buffs and debuffing targets as a fun build that clears up.
Golden gun prismatic - gives healing on orb pick up
Threaded spike - severs targets to reduce their damage
Duskfield to slow enemies and proc stylish executioner
Gunpowder gamble for burst damage
Fragments are : sacrifice, solitude, blessing,devotion and purpose
Use a void weapon with repulser brace , my pick is the age old bond auto rifle
Exotic is gyrfalcon or class item , perfect combo would be with renewal but not gotten that roll yet.
Only needed armour mods are void siphon for orb generation
The problem with transcendent will it builds is people are too lazy to grind all the rolls, they make a throw together build for what exotic class item they have then submit, instead of grinding for that perfect roll and really perfecting a build and then submitting. Its sad.
I spent 1 day grinding the mission dou le rolls. And a week and a half grinding chests and most of my rolls were necrotic star eaters. Or stag star eaters/arc pulse.
Sometimes rngeesus is against you.
Too lazy? Lol more like have a life outside this game.
@@jasonprice9823 I do. That why I don't submit will it builds. I would rather leave it for the players that grind all the rolls, test them out and know what they're doing.
Prismatic hunter - inmost light/gyrfalcons or verity, gunpowder gamble, stylish executioner, threaded spike, duskfield, pretty much infinite melees, transcendence makes you unstoppable with infinite back to back grenades and melees with very high duration
6969? That's a specific number....I mean l do use that number alot.
Too bad I’ll never have that raid exotic
Lfg my dude.
Why no hatchling perk?
Mactic gon crush w Prismatic
If you switch and have more powerful threadlings they might clear things too fast to build decent charges on that fusion
YESSSSIR NEW MATICS VIDEOOO
Pure strand with swarmers is a million times better. Thread of evolution, thread of continuity, thread of fury, and thread of rebirth. Weaver's call and Weavewalk. Euphony, No Hesitation, Pro Memoria (hatchling + dragonfly) Proc weavewalk to get 5 perched threadlings cast rift for 8 threadlings (5 perched and 3 from the cast) throw threadling grenade you are at 11 stacks of spindle before you even get a proc of hatchling from Pro Memoria or Euphony. With thread of rebirth you generate even more threadlings. And thread of fury gets you melee energy back to weavewalk more. Also because of swarmers when you destroy a tangle you get 2 threadlings.
subs for euphony whats a good replacement?
Spirit of osiomancy would be better it gives back so much energy, but i still prefer swarmers
What makes it really cracked for general play is actually using inmost/star eaters class item and instead of euphony you use a Gathering Light void ergo sum. Absolute carnage and non-stop threadlings and volatile.
spent the better part of the weekend watching this guys streams and his attitude in his youtube videos (even though he records them whilst streaming) is completely different to his attitude while streaming, nearly everything he says is either condescending or said in a condescending way, essentially his way or you’re wrong, don’t agree with him or have a difference of opinion and you’re banned, especially if you don’t follow up with a “i am sorry” or something synonymous to it
was very shocked when i witnessed a lot of the stuff i did this weekend, definitely won’t be going back to the stream nor these youtube videos
You should be running a slice/hatchling strand heavy machinegun
5 mins early gang will there be a stream today oh great build crafter
No swarmers ?
nice, will it build again
Necrotic is better with monte and needle melee.
only this dude has audio like from underwater...
Will it Build Submission
Subclass: Prismatic
Super: Silence and Squall
Aspects: Winter's Shroud, Threaded Specter
Fragments: Facet of Dawn, Facet of Protection, Facet of Ruin, Facet of Purpose, Facet of Command, Facet of Devotion
Melee: Throwing Knives
Dodge: Acrobats
Grenade: Dealer's Choice
Exotic Armor: Mask of Bahkris
Exotic Weapon: Ager's Scepter
Special Weapon: Anything with Arc
Heavy: Dealer's Choice
Mods: Helmet (Special Ammo Finder, Dynamo, Harmonic Siphon)
Chest (Charged up)
Legs (Recuperation, Better Already, Insulation)
Class item (Reaper, Special Finisher)
Gameplay loop is rather simple, Dodge to trigger Radiance, Aspects will slow enemies and create a specter, Mask of Bahkris will give u x4 stasis and arc damage. If fighting a boss or champion use Ager's alt mode to deal even more damage. If Radiance runs out, use powered Melee to restart it.
No shade to those who got the weapon but I shut off i don’t have the gun :(
I have a Build: (Hunter)
Frost Support
"Prismatic Subclass"
Super: Silence and Squall
Gambler's Dodge
Melee: Threaded Spike
Granade: Duskfield
Aspects: Gunpowder Gamble / Stylish Executioner
Fragments: Facet of Purpose, Ruin, Protecction, Dawn, Solitude
Exotics: Renewal Grasp / Revision Zero
(Vorpal Weapon - Four time's the charm)
Weapon's:
Sec: Either blinding nades or No Hesitation for supporting teammates
Heavy: Any god damage heavy, Apex, Edge or the new Scintillation
Stats:
100 Resilience
100 Discipline
80-100 Mobility
Mods:
Double / Triple Kinetic Surge
Double Granade Kickstart
Power Preservation
Play Style:
Using the new frost armor from the nades to push, getting sacks of Hunter's Trace, healing allies, stunning both Barrier and Overload Champs, once stunned use all snipershots to destroy the champ and repeat, heal, charge, frost armor pop ult and keep teammates safe.
Can you make a sweate business build ?
I know it’s not your build but whoever but facet of mending on, “grenade final blows cure you” on a build with DEVOURRRR is just a bot full stop
Must be nice to have raid team half our team destiny.
Hello mactics 👋👋
I want a real threadling build
@check_profile6273 I won a video?! I never win anything!
Babe, wake up, Mactics posted!
Love this exotic