I'm super happy that I switched from the Duplex to the Double Rainbow Li, having the ability to zip the rain fly shut was a huge upgrade, not to mention being rid of that stupid half moon mesh door design that Zpacks insists on. I also really like those pockets at each mesh door with both a top entry and side entry, I was impressed with how clever and useful that they turned out to be
I just recently got the Nemo Dagger OSMO today after doing some research on what would be the best or better tent to use for some solo trips with my dog. One of the bonuses I found the Nemo has is the darker color that keeps the inside of the tent not a light bulb during the day (not a whole lot of people make mention about that factor). I understand a lot of people make a pass on it due to the weight, but so far I don't see a huge issue in it as like you said you can split the parts.
My favorite tent is the Tarptent Double Rainbow DW. Got to testing it right away in January of this year with back to back big storms. After fixing some seam sealing issues from the first storm, the second storm brought 60mph wind gusts and 10 inches of rain. Not one drop of rain inside. Perfect for me being 6'3 and my whole pack. Look forward to bringing it on my next thru hike. Single wall is just not my style after three times on the Appalachian Trail.
Thx for your comments. I got interested in the rainbow and tarptent from the BE review that was so glowing for the LI but the DW will be better bc of the double wall and I like all the view out and stargazer mode. My hubby is 6’3” so it’s a good match for us. I’d not paid much attention to Tarptent before the great rainbow LI review. We’re out east so humidity is always a concern.
@@anninwhack1998 u can attach a liner into the Lithium Double Rainbow that makes it Double Wall. I use this in Iceland and Scandinavia, never a drop of Condensation on my Gear and it held up to strrrrrong Winds and heavy Rain.
My favorite tent this year has been the Xmid 2p. I also have the STS Alto TR2 which is awesome. I think it's situational for which one is best, but the Xmid has proven to be pretty awesome overall.
I picked up the Outdoor Vitals Fortius 1P last month and man it’s phenomenal. Aside from its outstanding cost to weight ratio, it’s got full mesh walls on both side of the tent, something that is lacking in every other single wall one person trekking pole tent that I’m aware of. The ventilation is excellent because of this. I spent the night in Georgia, it was high 70’s during the day and dropped to low 30’s, it was overcast and drizzly all day, there was only a light breeze, and I pitched next to water. By all rights I should have woken up soaked. It was bone dry inside. It’s super roomy for one person and I’m 6’1” 220 lbs with a long wide rectangular pad, so most folks will feel like they’re in a palace. Can’t recommend it enough.
Just went on a snowshoeing and camping trip with Double Rainbow Li. Held up to half feet of snow and did not sag crazy like my friend’s silnylon tent. I also have a xmid pro 2, but still love the DR Li!
Thank you for the excellent rundown! Right there with you on the Double Rainbow Li. Recently made the investment & it's my favorite tent, probably ever. Would you mind sharing what you're using as a groundsheet?
Devin, I'll be Very Much looking forward to your comparison of the Dan Durston X-Mid Pro 2--vs--the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li. I just ordered the DD X-Mid Pro and already have the TarpTent Rainbow Li (and really like that tent); interested to see what you think....Thanks
Totally agree with you. Spend more than 8 weeks in the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li this year, two larger bike packing trips in the US & Canada Rockies and Europe. I am using the extra liner, which makes it a - nearly - double wall experience and also reduces the "see-through" of the Dyneema significantly. With two entries it has a ton of venting options, depending of set up direction and changing wind conditions. Great space for one person and gear, ok enough space for two.
Using the DR Lithium with attached Liner in Iceland and Scandinavia, its basically Doublewall with the Liner that only weights 2oz . Im from Western Part of Germany where the big River Rhine is . Alot humid Weather here Not ever had condendation drop unto my Gear and the Tent was always super dry and warm . It can handle strong Winds , Snow and 2 Days of heavy Rain in Iceland
I also enjoy my Tarp Tent Double Rainbow (standard model). I have had it for at least a dozen years. Recently bought the lighter carbon fiber poles which dropped the weight to 39 oz. Super easy to set up. My favorite too. Will have to look at the double wall version.
Hi @Dancencamp, when you are both in your tent do you know if you can easily touch the wall (with condensation problem) or their have quite space arround ?
Agree totally!! Latest hike with my Lunar Solo was Eagle Rock Loop in Arkansas this past summer. Light with easy 1 trekking pole set up. And single walls with bathtub tub bottom made for great ventilation in the humid summer nights. Also, the folks at Six Moon Designs will not rest until you are completely satisfied--great customer service! Until it fails me (which hasn't happened yet over 4 seasons/years), my REI passage (old version) is my rock-solid if somewhat heavy choice for when I return to Eagle Rock Loop next week for Thanksgiving.
Thanks for sharing all this info mate, we have been on the hunt for a goof backpacking tent for some time and really appreciate you taking the time to make this video. Keep up the great work!
Similarly, I have the DRLi and have been very satisfied w/it over the past year. I’m also looking forward to receiving the XMid Pro2 in February. Regards-
I've been using Tarp Tent Bowfin 1 for 5 years now, which is semi freestanding, with a double wall, mesh inner layer, super easy to set up, and weighs only 37 ounces. I camp aprox 300 days a year, in all climate zones and weather conditions since I travel around the world by bicycle and I have nothing but praise for my Bowfin. I'm interested in what would be the advantage of this tent compared to Bowfin?
I _love_ that the cross bar on the Telos is butterfly-shaped; it's so visible that it really does improve that head height + inner width. It's such a small change that seems so obvious, & yet, it's kind of a lateral solution so I can see why it's not a common feature just yet. Another fine vid, Devin! :-D
Will not be picking up the Xmid but interested in hearing your take on it! Curious how many tents you try out annually? And how do you turn them over? Selling, give away, returns?
I read all the replies B4 composing the following: Plzz. What is the Dynema tent weight when including stakes & poles? To say the tent weighs less than a pound is misleading if it can't be pitched. The Hilleberg Enan is my tent, a tent I'm completely satisfied with, a tent I can count on to provide me with SHELTER from a rain or strong gusty windy storm, a tent I'll likely WILL to a relative when I die. I'm 5'3" so I have plenty of interior room in most any tent. Warm Regards from bone dry Reno Nevada
How did you find the fit with the wide pad in the Plex Solo tent? I also use the 25-inch pads and really love the looks of that tent, but am not sure if it's going to be a tight squeeze.
The double rainbow design has a problem with the low angles from the corners to the apex at the cross bar. Each of the 4 panels sag and cannot be adequately pulled taut. With the fly in place the distance between fly and these inner panels is minimal. As a result, condensation drips into the living area whenever breezes move the fly or you brush the mesh. We had to switch it from a 2 person to a single. Plenty rainproof but not a particularly good living area.
If you want a UL fully freestanding tent with a conventional pole structure, a full coverage fly, and lots of mesh, get the Aspect. Those are my priorities in a tent and I haven't been able to find anything else close.
I picked up the REI Co-op Quarter Dome SL 2 earlier this year and I am loving it. While it's not as light weight as some that you shared, it's more affordable. Either way, I'm pretty happy with it.
I have been laid up with an injury since March. I had planned to use a new Locus Gear Khafra 4p DCF mid tent with a 3p net inner this season. At 9' squared, you would think it is too heavy, but it is only around 2.3 lbs. I can get it lighter using a 2p inner. Why would I want to use a 4p mid tent? Because at 6'-tall II find most tents are about six inches too short for me. My 4" pad means I bump the walls with either my feet or my head on tents like my Lanshan ll, which is an otherwise nice tent. It seems like it rains on all of my trips. A 4p tent allows me ample room to lay out my wet gear. It gives me a huge vestibule. I can sit in my Helinox in the vestibule with a 2p inner. Yet my mid tent probably is very similar in floor area to other 2p tents with vestibules. I mostly got the mid tent to use with my wife. I am very interested in the new Tarp Tent Dipole to replace my Lanshan ll on most solo trips. That tent only weighs 26 ounces. Not as light as the X-Mid Pro 2, but it is roomier inside and better-ventilated, which is a big plus with single wall tents. I would love to try both, but I can't. I have seen tall reviewers say the sloping wall on the X-Mid is either too close to their head or too close to their feet. I would be back to the Lanshan ll problem. If not the Dipole? I would get the Double Rainbow Li.
Yes I am in process of testing the DW Ultra right now. So far I still like the Li version more. But the DW Ultra is a great tent. Just more weight and has the double wall benefits.
Also love Hubba Hubba. It served me for 8 years, could have served longer, but, unfortunately,I didn't use it properly and it wore out. Copper Spur is my wish at the moment.
I have the Aeon Li - for space & weight benefits. It is similar to the Zpacks Altaplex - 1P, single pole, just under 20oz, fits tall backpackers, uses 6 stakes but can be pitched without staking the apex line. Very quick to pitch and footprint is a little larger than the bathtub floor, which does allow for some internal gear storage. I was on a very crowded trail this past summer and was worried about camping spots - I was able to find an established site each night but I was glad that I could consider tent sites just a little bigger than my sleeping pad, The cross member at the apex is a little long which limits packability but I have adapted.
Thank you for all the great information. I'm interested in the double rainbow LI but have read it doesn't handle windy conditions very well. What kind of wind have you had it out in and how did it perform ?
I can't say that I've had it in crazy winds, but from what I've experienced it does as expected. You can guy out the head end and foot end in kind of a V to make it more stable. Just requires more line is all.
Hi, I have the Double Rainbow Li. I like almost everything about it. I find the long single pole to be somewhat awkward, but manageable. I did camp in the wind once and the side bowed in significantly with each gust. It concerned me. It didn't fail, but I really didn't like how the side folded in during the wind.
I read the replies to your comment. When I was deciding on a tent my #1 requirement was I wanted a SHELTER that would protect me from a rain storm or from a strong gusty windy storm - I selected & have never regretted buying my Hilleberg Enan. I'm 5'3" so I have plenty of room inside the tent. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
I can assure you that ot handles heavy wind conditions superb. I use this in Iceland Highlands and in Norway on Fjörds above Treeline and it handled strong Winds like a champ. Use 2 Guylines on each side and dont face the vestibules into the Wind
I believe both tents have their place. The smaller footprint of the Fortius is nice compared to the large footprint of the X-Mid. Each have their pros and cons.
As usual another great video with tons of info, car camper for years , want to do backpacking near me in tn or ark deciding between nemo hornet or dagger or ordering xmid
As a single hiker that is very concerned about my Big 3 weight only tent om this list I'm looking to by for next year is the Zpacks Plex Solo. Yes it's expensive but is VERY and light made of DCF. It will pack down very small in my 40L liter pack. Oh and do do use part of my weight savings on a Helinox Chair!
As a weight counter I am all in on Zapcks . My Duplex is a palace for my dog and myself. At about 18 ounces it can’t be beat. The other big issue I have with many of these other tent manufacturers is they are made in China. I have first hand knowledge in how they treat their workers and China’s treatment of minority groups. This is a moral issue for me. Many products we simply have no options but fortunately in backpacking we do. I will stay with Zpacks, Lite AF, EE etc and avoid made in China when I can. Off that rant I can see by all the desert camping you do how important having a free standing tent is. That is something I have no experience with. I have only hiked in the desert but never camped. You also have a large amount of tents. Nice and my wife thinks I have to much gear, lol take care
you can make almost any cheap tent bombproof now, fabsil the rainfly and seam seal the seams then switch out the poles for aluminium and sew in a few extra stake line points, you dont need to pay out hundreds for a tent nowdays unless its extreme weather conditions, an 80 pound upgrade on a 30 pound tent can make even the cheapest tents on the market weather proof.
I do photo backpacking adventures often off the beaten path. So weight is a critical factor (camera gear is heavy even when keeping it to a minimum). Just got the Tarptent Dipole1 and so far really like it. Be nice to have a one pound tent but for a few more ounces this is sooo much more livable, great ventilation with only 4 stakes. I need a wide and long sleep system and the Dipole1 is way roomier than my Moment DW and far lighter.
BINGO. "depends on what you need" - my #1 requirement is a tent I can count on to provide me with SHELTER during rain or strong gusty windy weather. My tent of choice is the Hilleberg Enan & since I'm 5'3" I have plenty of room inside my rock solid palace in the boonies.
I'm trying to find a 2p tent that I can afford. I spent a good chunk on a 4p for car camping but it's a bit big and heavy for hiking with it unless I can convince others to join 😅
As a 6’3 guy, I love my tarptent double rainbow li too. I’m tempted by the altaplex, just for weight savings but can’t justify the $$… yet! I almost bought the xmid pro when they were last available, had it in my cart. But I stopped because the large area needed to pitch the sucker. Love the specs and the concept but it ain’t fitting in any tiny spaces between trees.
I’m pretty sure the Plex Solo replaced the Plexamid. I must have bought the last Plexamid they produced 😂 but I’m totally fine with that. The Plexamid has been nearly perfect for me over the last year. 🦑
I am older and live and play in the Sierra granite. I have not tried a trekking pole tent. I did try a semi free standing and it frustrated me. I LOVE my BA Copper Spur with the pockets, etc. I’d love to be able rent, I’m sure with a deposit, some of these higher end trekking pole tents just to try. Wish these companies would let you do that. Just make the deposit the amount of the cost, return, deposit returned. It’s very hard to justify “trying” something for $700.
I've had the Duplex for a few years now and love it. Done 200 Miles on the CT and a couple hundred more on shorter trips with it and its still brand new looking. Does everything I want it to. I'm sure all these others are great but I'm great with it until it fails. Its large, light enough and very durable so far.
I would actually really love to try the DW. Condensation is not often a big problem for me here in Utah. But the benefits of the removable fly, double wall on that one makes it a little more versatile in a lot of ways.
I have this tent and both the mesh and solid inners along with the extra snow pole. It is my winter tent. For backpacking adventures I’ve upgraded to the new Dipole1- early indications are very good.
If weight was the only reason for buying the TT Double Rainbow or any tent for that matter, I’d have a very different selection. Function before weight.
Sold my Nemo Dagger after one trip. Those jakes feet are absolutely irritating. If your hands are cold and its muddy and raining you get to fiddle with this garbage while trying to attach or detach the footprint and fly. Back to MSR!
I use a trekking cane. Shorter than a trekking pole but makes it nice to lean on during steep descents, which is about the only time I really want something like that. But usually I’m in a group and there is someone to bum one off to set up a tent or tarp.
black diamond Distance Tent With Adapter The worst tent i have ever used. My god its bad. If you want EVERYTHING to get wet on the inside get this tent asap.
You said the Aspect 2 was the worst tent, but you didn’t even say why? How does that qualify as a review? I don’t even know if you used it, because you show no footage; all you show is set up.
Your list is not very good with regards to weather conditions. Two of your choices were nothing more than a ground tub with a tarp covering, calling those tents; I could tell under windy rainy or blowing sand conditions would make for a miserable night. Your favorite tent needs trekking poles in order for it to be a free standing tent? SMH. The Sea to Summitt 2nd on your list seemed to be the overall best for all types of weather conditions. Also, you never gave any numbers with regards to weights of each tent. Kinda important when giving tent reviews.
Why do you call it a 3D pocket ,,,, is there a 2D pocket or some other dimension i dont know about ,,, man it bugs me when people make up fancy names for shit , its just a pocket not anything else ,,,, oooo look a kangaroo pouch , and interlocking zipper seal , and a sky dome cieling .......oh now i want it .............just call it what it is , stop embellishing to make it sound better then it actually is ....i used to be a janitor but i never told anyone to call me a sanitation engineer because it sounds better .....
Maybe try something else than American brands... This makes it a review for americans only... kind of like calling your baseball league the world series. Try again. I- stand corrected, Sea to Summit is apparently Australian in origin.
I never was a Fan of Zpacks Tents. They are overpriced in comparison to the Competitors and these Tents are just warm Weather Tents , Not suited for Scandinavia where i hike usually
I'm super happy that I switched from the Duplex to the Double Rainbow Li, having the ability to zip the rain fly shut was a huge upgrade, not to mention being rid of that stupid half moon mesh door design that Zpacks insists on. I also really like those pockets at each mesh door with both a top entry and side entry, I was impressed with how clever and useful that they turned out to be
I just recently got the Nemo Dagger OSMO today after doing some research on what would be the best or better tent to use for some solo trips with my dog. One of the bonuses I found the Nemo has is the darker color that keeps the inside of the tent not a light bulb during the day (not a whole lot of people make mention about that factor). I understand a lot of people make a pass on it due to the weight, but so far I don't see a huge issue in it as like you said you can split the parts.
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My favorite tent is the Tarptent Double Rainbow DW. Got to testing it right away in January of this year with back to back big storms. After fixing some seam sealing issues from the first storm, the second storm brought 60mph wind gusts and 10 inches of rain. Not one drop of rain inside. Perfect for me being 6'3 and my whole pack. Look forward to bringing it on my next thru hike. Single wall is just not my style after three times on the Appalachian Trail.
Thx for your comments. I got interested in the rainbow and tarptent from the BE review that was so glowing for the LI but the DW will be better bc of the double wall and I like all the view out and stargazer mode. My hubby is 6’3” so it’s a good match for us. I’d not paid much attention to Tarptent before the great rainbow LI review. We’re out east so humidity is always a concern.
@@anninwhack1998 u can attach a liner into the Lithium Double Rainbow that makes it Double Wall. I use this in Iceland and Scandinavia, never a drop of Condensation on my Gear and it held up to strrrrrong Winds and heavy Rain.
Hubba Hubba! 8 days in the BWCA, rained every night, wind blew hard, tent was a champ. Easy to deploy, easy to pack. 12 years old, zero problems.
My favorite tent this year has been the Xmid 2p. I also have the STS Alto TR2 which is awesome. I think it's situational for which one is best, but the Xmid has proven to be pretty awesome overall.
I picked up the Outdoor Vitals Fortius 1P last month and man it’s phenomenal. Aside from its outstanding cost to weight ratio, it’s got full mesh walls on both side of the tent, something that is lacking in every other single wall one person trekking pole tent that I’m aware of. The ventilation is excellent because of this. I spent the night in Georgia, it was high 70’s during the day and dropped to low 30’s, it was overcast and drizzly all day, there was only a light breeze, and I pitched next to water. By all rights I should have woken up soaked. It was bone dry inside. It’s super roomy for one person and I’m 6’1” 220 lbs with a long wide rectangular pad, so most folks will feel like they’re in a palace. Can’t recommend it enough.
Favorite tent this year is the X-mid 2P Solid. So glad was able to get one. Love that thing
Awesome! I almost got a solid, but needed up with the Pro. Really great tents!
I haven’t seen a solid yet. I have the 2P and have hiked with friends who have the Pro.
Just went on a snowshoeing and camping trip with Double Rainbow Li. Held up to half feet of snow and did not sag crazy like my friend’s silnylon tent. I also have a xmid pro 2, but still love the DR Li!
It's so good!
Thank you for the excellent rundown! Right there with you on the Double Rainbow Li. Recently made the investment & it's my favorite tent, probably ever. Would you mind sharing what you're using as a groundsheet?
I have the Tarptent single rainbow from 20 years ago and it's still my favorite tent.
Glad I found your video, thanks for the info!
Tiger wall UL1. I enjoy the overhead storage pockets. Lightweight and easy. You’re right, not great in high winds, but it’s my favorite
I love the pockets BA puts into their tents.
Devin, I'll be Very Much looking forward to your comparison of the Dan Durston X-Mid Pro 2--vs--the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li. I just ordered the DD X-Mid Pro and already have the TarpTent Rainbow Li (and really like that tent); interested to see what you think....Thanks
Would you mind sharing your experience with the 2?
Totally agree with you. Spend more than 8 weeks in the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li this year, two larger bike packing trips in the US & Canada Rockies and Europe.
I am using the extra liner, which makes it a - nearly - double wall experience and also reduces the "see-through" of the Dyneema significantly. With two entries it has a ton of venting options, depending of set up direction and changing wind conditions. Great space for one person and gear, ok enough space for two.
Thank you for your interesting & detailed reply for the Tarptent DR Li
Using the DR Lithium with attached Liner in Iceland and Scandinavia, its basically Doublewall with the Liner that only weights 2oz .
Im from Western Part of Germany where the big River Rhine is . Alot humid Weather here Not ever had condendation drop unto my Gear and the Tent was always super dry and warm . It can handle strong Winds , Snow and 2 Days of heavy Rain in Iceland
You mentioned selling your overstock to your friends. Got any now? My favorite tent was just ruined from flood damage in my home so I’m looking!
I also enjoy my Tarp Tent Double Rainbow (standard model). I have had it for at least a dozen years. Recently bought the lighter carbon fiber poles which dropped the weight to 39 oz. Super easy to set up. My favorite too. Will have to look at the double wall version.
Any concerns of durability with the carbon pole vs aluminum?
@@nrice3623 I have used the Double Rainbow (with aluminum pole) for years, but have not used it with the carbon pole enough to tell.
@@Dancencamp cool, thanks! I have been really torn between getting a double rainbow, or one of the x-mids. Both are very appealing!
Hi @Dancencamp, when you are both in your tent do you know if you can easily touch the wall (with condensation problem) or their have quite space arround ?
My Lunar Solo was amazing on the Highline this summer! The ZPacks is similar geometry.
For a one person shelter it’s pretty roomy.
I still need to spend some time with that tent.
Agree totally!! Latest hike with my Lunar Solo was Eagle Rock Loop in Arkansas this past summer. Light with easy 1 trekking pole set up. And single walls with bathtub tub bottom made for great ventilation in the humid summer nights. Also, the folks at Six Moon Designs will not rest until you are completely satisfied--great customer service! Until it fails me (which hasn't happened yet over 4 seasons/years), my REI passage (old version) is my rock-solid if somewhat heavy choice for when I return to Eagle Rock Loop next week for Thanksgiving.
Thanks for sharing all this info mate, we have been on the hunt for a goof backpacking tent for some time and really appreciate you taking the time to make this video. Keep up the great work!
Similarly, I have the DRLi and have been very satisfied w/it over the past year. I’m also looking forward to receiving the XMid Pro2 in February. Regards-
I've been using Tarp Tent Bowfin 1 for 5 years now, which is semi freestanding, with a double wall, mesh inner layer, super easy to set up, and weighs only 37 ounces. I camp aprox 300 days a year, in all climate zones and weather conditions since I travel around the world by bicycle and I have nothing but praise for my Bowfin. I'm interested in what would be the advantage of this tent compared to Bowfin?
Hi. What is the best 3 people tent?
I _love_ that the cross bar on the Telos is butterfly-shaped; it's so visible that it really does improve that head height + inner width. It's such a small change that seems so obvious, & yet, it's kind of a lateral solution so I can see why it's not a common feature just yet.
Another fine vid, Devin! :-D
Will not be picking up the Xmid but interested in hearing your take on it! Curious how many tents you try out annually? And how do you turn them over? Selling, give away, returns?
I read all the replies B4 composing the following:
Plzz. What is the Dynema tent weight when including stakes & poles? To say the tent weighs less than a pound is misleading if it can't be pitched.
The Hilleberg Enan is my tent, a tent I'm completely satisfied with, a tent I can count on to provide me with SHELTER from a rain or strong gusty windy storm, a tent I'll likely WILL to a relative when I die. I'm 5'3" so I have plenty of interior room in most any tent.
Warm Regards from bone dry Reno Nevada
How did you find the fit with the wide pad in the Plex Solo tent? I also use the 25-inch pads and really love the looks of that tent, but am not sure if it's going to be a tight squeeze.
The double rainbow design has a problem with the low angles from the corners to the apex at the cross bar. Each of the 4 panels sag and cannot be adequately pulled taut. With the fly in place the distance between fly and these inner panels is minimal. As a result, condensation drips into the living area whenever breezes move the fly or you brush the mesh. We had to switch it from a 2 person to a single. Plenty rainproof but not a particularly good living area.
If I can get a second hand Mountain Hardwear aspect for 250...buy or no buy?
Sure. It's still a good tent, just wasn't my favorite.
If you want a UL fully freestanding tent with a conventional pole structure, a full coverage fly, and lots of mesh, get the Aspect. Those are my priorities in a tent and I haven't been able to find anything else close.
I picked up the REI Co-op Quarter Dome SL 2 earlier this year and I am loving it. While it's not as light weight as some that you shared, it's more affordable. Either way, I'm pretty happy with it.
It is a wonderful tent. It is a pity that they don't sell in Europe.
I have been laid up with an injury since March. I had planned to use a new Locus Gear Khafra 4p DCF mid tent with a 3p net inner this season. At 9' squared, you would think it is too heavy, but it is only around 2.3 lbs. I can get it lighter using a 2p inner.
Why would I want to use a 4p mid tent? Because at 6'-tall II find most tents are about six inches too short for me. My 4" pad means I bump the walls with either my feet or my head on tents like my Lanshan ll, which is an otherwise nice tent.
It seems like it rains on all of my trips. A 4p tent allows me ample room to lay out my wet gear. It gives me a huge vestibule. I can sit in my Helinox in the vestibule with a 2p inner. Yet my mid tent probably is very similar in floor area to other 2p tents with vestibules.
I mostly got the mid tent to use with my wife. I am very interested in the new Tarp Tent Dipole to replace my Lanshan ll on most solo trips. That tent only weighs 26 ounces. Not as light as the X-Mid Pro 2, but it is roomier inside and better-ventilated, which is a big plus with single wall tents. I would love to try both, but I can't. I have seen tall reviewers say the sloping wall on the X-Mid is either too close to their head or too close to their feet. I would be back to the Lanshan ll problem.
If not the Dipole? I would get the Double Rainbow Li.
Have you tried the Double Rainbow DW Ultra. If so any thoughts vs the Li version. ?
Yes I am in process of testing the DW Ultra right now. So far I still like the Li version more. But the DW Ultra is a great tent. Just more weight and has the double wall benefits.
I’ve really enjoyed my xMid 2 pro, and the double rainbow Li as well, both fantastic tents in my opinion
Agreed on both accounts!
Has either tent emerged as your stronger preference? If so, why? TIA.
I am yet to try a Dyneema tent, but my two favorite backpacking tents of all time are the MSR Hubba and the BA Copper Spur.
Also love Hubba Hubba. It served me for 8 years, could have served longer, but, unfortunately,I didn't use it properly and it wore out. Copper Spur is my wish at the moment.
I have the Aeon Li - for space & weight benefits. It is similar to the Zpacks Altaplex - 1P, single pole, just under 20oz, fits tall backpackers, uses 6 stakes but can be pitched without staking the apex line. Very quick to pitch and footprint is a little larger than the bathtub floor, which does allow for some internal gear storage. I was on a very crowded trail this past summer and was worried about camping spots - I was able to find an established site each night but I was glad that I could consider tent sites just a little bigger than my sleeping pad, The cross member at the apex is a little long which limits packability but I have adapted.
Thank you for all the great information. I'm interested in the double rainbow LI but have read it doesn't handle windy conditions very well. What kind of wind have you had it out in and how did it perform ?
I can't say that I've had it in crazy winds, but from what I've experienced it does as expected. You can guy out the head end and foot end in kind of a V to make it more stable. Just requires more line is all.
Hi, I have the Double Rainbow Li. I like almost everything about it. I find the long single pole to be somewhat awkward, but manageable. I did camp in the wind once and the side bowed in significantly with each gust. It concerned me. It didn't fail, but I really didn't like how the side folded in during the wind.
@@sk-wx1cf Thanks for the info. Think I'll pass on it.
I read the replies to your comment. When I was deciding on a tent my #1 requirement was I wanted a SHELTER that would protect me from a rain storm or from a strong gusty windy storm - I selected & have never regretted buying my Hilleberg Enan. I'm 5'3" so I have plenty of room inside the tent.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
I can assure you that ot handles heavy wind conditions superb. I use this in Iceland Highlands and in Norway on Fjörds above Treeline and it handled strong Winds like a champ. Use 2 Guylines on each side and dont face the vestibules into the Wind
Durston Xmid runs circles around Outdoor Vitals tent. Cheaper, better materials, higher quality, more interior room, etc….
I believe both tents have their place. The smaller footprint of the Fortius is nice compared to the large footprint of the X-Mid. Each have their pros and cons.
Can’t be missing Bonfus tents like the Middus and Durston Gear Mid Pro 2, or Big Agnes Tiger wall Ul2 Platinum
My current favorite tent - a tie between my Hilleberg Unna and Hilleberg Akto!
I love my Tarptent stratospire li. Bombproof, lightweight, roomy. It's served me well.
I own a Cabela's 2 2person free standing tent. It was purchased about 5 years ago on sale at Cabela's for about 100$. So far, so good.
If it gets you outside, that’s all that matters!
As usual another great video with tons of info, car camper for years , want to do backpacking near me in tn or ark deciding between nemo hornet or dagger or ordering xmid
As a single hiker that is very concerned about my Big 3 weight only tent om this list I'm looking to by for next year is the Zpacks Plex Solo. Yes it's expensive but is VERY and light made of DCF. It will pack down very small in my 40L liter pack. Oh and do do use part of my weight savings on a Helinox Chair!
It's a great option! I've really enjoyed it so far.
As a weight counter I am all in on Zapcks . My Duplex is a palace for my dog and myself. At about 18 ounces it can’t be beat. The other big issue I have with many of these other tent manufacturers is they are made in China. I have first hand knowledge in how they treat their workers and China’s treatment of minority groups. This is a moral issue for me. Many products we simply have no options but fortunately in backpacking we do. I will stay with Zpacks, Lite AF, EE etc and avoid made in China when I can. Off that rant I can see by all the desert camping you do how important having a free standing tent is. That is something I have no experience with. I have only hiked in the desert but never camped. You also have a large amount of tents. Nice and my wife thinks I have to much gear, lol take care
I just bought a TNF Stormbreak 2.Any thoughts on this tent?
I have not used that tent. So can't speak to it directly. North Face makes a great product though.
you can make almost any cheap tent bombproof now, fabsil the rainfly and seam seal the seams then switch out the poles for aluminium and sew in a few extra stake line points, you dont need to pay out hundreds for a tent nowdays unless its extreme weather conditions, an 80 pound upgrade on a 30 pound tent can make even the cheapest tents on the market weather proof.
I do photo backpacking adventures often off the beaten path. So weight is a critical factor (camera gear is heavy even when keeping it to a minimum). Just got the Tarptent Dipole1 and so far really like it. Be nice to have a one pound tent but for a few more ounces this is sooo much more livable, great ventilation with only 4 stakes. I need a wide and long sleep system and the Dipole1 is way roomier than my Moment DW and far lighter.
I love my Zpacks Plex Solo tent, I think it is by far the best tent I have ever owned. The only one I would like to try is Xmid 1 Pro
The issue is it depends what you need. I wouldn’t take the double rainbow to Iceland with high wind. The memo dagger would be preferable.
BINGO. "depends on what you need" - my #1 requirement is a tent I can count on to provide me with SHELTER during rain or strong gusty windy weather. My tent of choice is the Hilleberg Enan & since I'm 5'3" I have plenty of room inside my rock solid palace in the boonies.
And I used that Rainbow in my last trip video!
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The Tarptent Rainbow Li = my favorite tent!
I'm trying to find a 2p tent that I can afford. I spent a good chunk on a 4p for car camping but it's a bit big and heavy for hiking with it unless I can convince others to join 😅
What is your budget and how much do you need the tent to weigh?
I’ve converted to an XMid guy. I like simplicity and fewer stakes.
Same. I love my XMid 2P
That fly on the Nemo Osmo doesn't fully cover one of the sides so you get rained on....
As a 6’3 guy, I love my tarptent double rainbow li too. I’m tempted by the altaplex, just for weight savings but can’t justify the $$… yet! I almost bought the xmid pro when they were last available, had it in my cart. But I stopped because the large area needed to pitch the sucker. Love the specs and the concept but it ain’t fitting in any tiny spaces between trees.
Its Not worth buddy . Your body wont notice the insignificant weight difference . We are talking bout a few ounces here . Save your Money
@@rodrev_hiking6757 what’s not worth it?
TIger wall is super fun tent ! not sure what not to like
I’m pretty sure the Plex Solo replaced the Plexamid. I must have bought the last Plexamid they produced 😂 but I’m totally fine with that. The Plexamid has been nearly perfect for me over the last year. 🦑
I am older and live and play in the Sierra granite. I have not tried a trekking pole tent. I did try a semi free standing and it frustrated me. I LOVE my BA Copper Spur with the pockets, etc. I’d love to be able rent, I’m sure with a deposit, some of these higher end trekking pole tents just to try. Wish these companies would let you do that. Just make the deposit the amount of the cost, return, deposit returned. It’s very hard to justify “trying” something for $700.
Anyone tried the nimbus 2
I've had the Duplex for a few years now and love it. Done 200 Miles on the CT and a couple hundred more on shorter trips with it and its still brand new looking. Does everything I want it to. I'm sure all these others are great but I'm great with it until it fails. Its large, light enough and very durable so far.
You need the Nortent Vern 1 😁
Tarptent Moment DW, requires only 2 stakes, the best tent of all time for me... try out if possible~
I would actually really love to try the DW. Condensation is not often a big problem for me here in Utah. But the benefits of the removable fly, double wall on that one makes it a little more versatile in a lot of ways.
Has it provided you with SHELTER from a strong gusty windy weather conditions?
I have this tent and both the mesh and solid inners along with the extra snow pole. It is my winter tent. For backpacking adventures I’ve upgraded to the new Dipole1- early indications are very good.
Now that we can actually buy the x mid series (just got my x mid 2p) that tent would be interesting to have on your list for next year.
Not impressed with the Fortis compared to others on the market. The TarpTent is expensive for a 2 lb tent!
If weight was the only reason for buying the TT Double Rainbow or any tent for that matter, I’d have a very different selection. Function before weight.
I really want a Double Rainbow. Just haven’t found the cash for it yet haha.
Let me know if you ever find cash laying around. I'd like some too! ha ha ha!
Sold my Nemo Dagger after one trip. Those jakes feet are absolutely irritating. If your hands are cold and its muddy and raining you get to fiddle with this garbage while trying to attach or detach the footprint and fly. Back to MSR!
Who carries just one pole? It's either 2 or none...
Darwin, if I recall correctly, prefers one pole, hence his preference for single-pole tents such as the Altaplex.
I don't typically carry trekking poles, and so I'll carry one pole as needed, or I use an extendable carbon tarp pole.
@@RegrettablyLongwinded Actually Darwin went back to using two poles again 😉
I use a trekking cane. Shorter than a trekking pole but makes it nice to lean on during steep descents, which is about the only time I really want something like that. But usually I’m in a group and there is someone to bum one off to set up a tent or tarp.
black diamond Distance Tent With Adapter
The worst tent i have ever used. My god its bad. If you want EVERYTHING to get wet on the inside get this tent asap.
You said the Aspect 2 was the worst tent, but you didn’t even say why? How does that qualify as a review? I don’t even know if you used it, because you show no footage; all you show is set up.
I also love the double rainbow! Excuse me while I flip out. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Lanshan tents are better than Fortius.
If you want a real tent try the Durston XMid pro2
I’ve got one, and am currently in the testing process with it.
@@BackcountryExposure,sweet, which one do you have
Your list is not very good with regards to weather conditions.
Two of your choices were nothing more than a ground tub with a tarp covering, calling those tents; I could tell under windy rainy or blowing sand conditions would make for a miserable night.
Your favorite tent needs trekking poles in order for it to be a free standing tent? SMH.
The Sea to Summitt 2nd on your list seemed to be the overall best for all types of weather conditions.
Also, you never gave any numbers with regards to weights of each tent.
Kinda important when giving tent reviews.
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Why do you call it a 3D pocket ,,,, is there a 2D pocket or some other dimension i dont know about ,,, man it bugs me when people make up fancy names for shit , its just a pocket not anything else ,,,, oooo look a kangaroo pouch , and interlocking zipper seal , and a sky dome cieling .......oh now i want it .............just call it what it is , stop embellishing to make it sound better then it actually is ....i used to be a janitor but i never told anyone to call me a sanitation engineer because it sounds better .....
Maybe try something else than American brands... This makes it a review for americans only... kind of like calling your baseball league the world series. Try again. I- stand corrected, Sea to Summit is apparently Australian in origin.
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No price or weight. The two things i care about.
Yes!!! Tarptent for the win! I got the notch li last years and love it.
I never was a Fan of Zpacks Tents. They are overpriced in comparison to the Competitors and these Tents are just warm Weather Tents , Not suited for Scandinavia where i hike usually