LUXURY or LIES? True 2 Person Backpacking Tents?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2022
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A lot of people use one person tents like they are one person tents. But sometimes you actually want to put two people in a tent. So I checked out 3 of the top 2 person backpacking tents available on the market today. And these are some REALLY Nice Tents!
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THANK YOU for the metric weights and measurements
I agree! Thank you. It was very handy to a non US watcher c:
Yeah! Always takes more brainpower if I have to convert in my head.
Steven, I absolutely love the way you can see the bigger integrated picture of backpacking. Gear doesn't exist & function by itself, it impacts EVERYTHING else. Another great topic. Thank you for your perspective!
MSR always surprises me with how well thought out most their products are.
I always thought of them as a sort of under-dog brand because in scouts we’d use whatever their cheapest option was (which would be years old and still standing despite being thrashed by teenage boys every week). As I’ve gotten older I recognize their products do what they’re designed to do, no less, no more, and that’s very respectable.
Guess that's why they are named Mountain Safety Research.
My Elixir 3 lost its waterproofing almost immediately and MSR's waterproofing generally seems below average. They also seem to not hold up well in high winds. I would honestly not recommend them to anyone.
@@pentacosttb2565what tent brand have you had good luck with?
It's just a brand
It's the price that kills me though. Leaning towards the Durston X-MID 2P (non-pro)
This was interesting. None of these 3 tents were on my list because of price but I love seeing pros and cons. It helps me look for things I would or wouldn’t want in my next piece of gear.
I bought a Paria Arches 2 person tent this summer. It fits a Saint Bernard and me with room to spare. I love the weight difference from my 25 year old 2 person tent it replaced.
Thank you for this comparison! I've used two of these tents, the 2021 MSR Hubba Hubba and the Big Agnes Cooper Spur Bikepacking on my 5 month long bicycle trip across Canada. The MSR Hubba Hubba leaked and had terrible condensation issues and MSR was not helpful in troubleshooting - they wanted me to send the fly for evaluation in the middle of my trip, without sending out a replacement. The Big Agnes tent has been exceptional. No leaks, no excessive condensation, just a little workhorse. I do use it for myself only and do agree that it would not fit two 25 inch pads, which I also sleep on.
I have the Copper Spur and while I never use the awning, I LOVE having a second zipper on the rain fly by the opening. The zippers on the Copper Spur are just so well thought-out.
I just picked up a Copper Spur 2P (aka mansion for 1P) myself. It's unbelievable what an extra 8oz in features make (interior pockets, stash spots, etc...).
The day carrying an extra 8oz in the woods turns my outing into a burden is the day I need to retire! LOL
The awning is a complete gimmick...I don't think most people use it.. Nemo dagger osmo 2p is a far better tent
Your channel kills it man. Your videos are so well made and the information is incredibly helpful! It’s very much appreciated! 🤙🏼
Thanks. I appreciate you watching and supporting the channel
I dig the fan art! Thank you for your video comparing these tents. I'm in the market for a new 2 or 3 person tent and this is helping to guide my purchasing decision. I appreciate how you brought the topic of the real life situation of fitting wider sleeping pads (floor space/width) and the expense to weight ratio to the conversation for tent selection.
Love the channel. The metric conversions are very useful to us elsewhere in the world
I love how thorough this was. In particular, the note about the Big Agnes trekking pole awning - I've often seen that and thought it was something special. Might still be nice for keeping the sun off in the desert though.
Hi Steven, thanks for getting me interested in backbacking. Your videos are very informative and im looking forward to going backbacking myself in the future! :)
Best tent review video yet. Really got me thinking of certain tents “bells and whistles” and is it just something to just sell a tent versus actuality needing/wanting it on my next adventure!
Great video! I have the MSR Hubba 1 person tent with a 20” pad and it’s fantastic but I have to say I wish I had opted for the 2 person Version and a 25 inch pad even as a soloist for the extra comfort factor.
These all look like great tents and your assessment seems to be spot on.
Very precise review. I like the comparison of tents from the top side-by-side.
I bought the BA tiger wall 3p to use as a 2p since it is so much light than the copper spur. It’s been great to have to extra room. But it also is only partially free standing. Great videos, love your input and details.
We needed with the BA CS 3person so we could fit 2 25" pads. Really like this tent. Awnings are a nice feature when it's raining. We use the DD xmid 2 the most though. It's fits both pads with ease.
Very helpful review. Thx. Being tall, i like the extra room of a 2P. I also like wider sleeping pads so i can roll side to side during the night.
Thx for the best content on UA-cam amongst backpacking matters!
I’m excited for a new tent. I have been using a North Face Micah ul for many years but refused to upgrade because of the door and rain fly door placement on new tents. I live in a rainforest and have very specific ways to deal with rain, mosquitoes, and no-see-ums. I look forward to getting my hands on the MSR. Thanks for your review.
I LOVE my copper spur. Tried several others before settling. Me only. Not 2 p., just me AND all my gear if I want. The “marketing gimmick” can be a hassle to use as directed, but well worth it in light rain or needed shade. The real great part is that you can unzip the vestibule from both ends and just stuff it between the mesh and the fly for easy-peasy access. I also love the door keepers and the storage all over. I seriously love this tent.
I really like my Big Agnes Tent. But you are right about the awnings. I have never used them and that material is always just in my way. Thanks for your quality videos.
It's gotta be less in the way than a single-zip door though.. tuck it under the roof - ta da!
Always like the work you do, Steve. Thanks.
I really appreciate the metric units you add
Out of these tents, the Nemo looks like the one I would want. But, im really happy with my 2013 era Sierra Designs Lightning II FL and would love to design something like the Nemo's gear bucket for its wings. I wish Sierra Designs had stayed with their more difference designs. I especially miss the Nightwatch line of tents.
I was snowed in at 10,000 ft.for three days on Mt. Adams in Washington State....I was certainly glad to have the room for all our gear and room to sit up, stretch out, etc. Sierra Designs Glacier tent weighed in at 7lbs. and I was happy to carry the extra weight for room and durability, believe me!
Used to have the Copper Spur. Nothing wrong with it but decided to try and go lighter. Love my Tarptent Double Rainbow Double Wall. Easily survived 50mph winds and 10 inches of rain with no leaking.
The double rainbow is my choice too ! I have the single wall though
Steven, I LOVE Moosejaw!!! I even wore my Moosejaw t-shirt in front of the REI Flagship store entry sign, had my hubby take my photo and put it on FB, LOL! I bought the NEMO Dagger OSMO 3P tent for my husband's birthday a few months ago. He's 6'4" and I'm 5'8.5" so we wanted to make sure we had plenty of room. Tried it out a month ago in Trout Lake, WA and loved it! It also has the Landing Zone to put your gear in under the vestibule. Sweet! The OSMO proprietary fabric doesn't sag when wet and lasts 3-4 times longer than other tent fabrics. 😆
Great post my friend. I appreciate all the information you are sharing here. 🏃♂️
Excellent review.. Covers all the important issues, instead of glossing over them.
Great video, top notch filming and really good facts
All three of these tents made it to the top of my list when I wanted a lighter 2-person, not-4-season tent to supplant my massive, heavy, and aged but still really good REI arete asl 3 as my primary tent just a month or so ago.
The nemo dagger was actually on the top of my list (by price and features) but it had one real con for me: Nemo's weird cutout on the rainfly. I want the ability to get the fly as low as possible, even hugging the ground, in blowing rain, sand and dust storms. I experienced blowing dust in a basecamp scenario and getting back to find all your sleep gear (and everything else) covered in dirt and dust sucks. The weight was also a consideration at that price point for me.
The MSR hubba was second on my list but it had another major con that some others have already touched on: the poles apparently have a problem with splinters, damaging the tent/fly and injuring people. I have no doubt that they'll remedy this but I wouldn't be able to know if I would be another unlucky customer so I put it off.
Third was the BA Copper Spur (HV UL2) which was all around the best for me except for one thing: the price, $100-$150 more than the other options without any major feature "improvement", the footprint was also nearly 2x the price of the footprints for the others. Two major factors ended up putting it at the top of my list and ultimately led to my purchase: The bikepacking version with the shorter pole sections and the fact the price disparity with the other options vanished during the labor day sales. Oh, and I liked the colors (or lack of) of the bikepacking version the most out of all the tents I looked at.
Really well sorted and insightful review
I have the Nemo Dagger Osmo 2p & it's simply fantastic.
I"m short & skinny, yet barely notice the weight. Especially if you split the pole/stakes bags with another person.
I had the MSR one and I returned it after 1 use. It feels cheap and the poles look like they're going to break at anytime. Plus, the carbon fiber poles leaves small carbon in the head and it kinda Hurts a little. Really happy with my Copper Spur on the other hand
Great review. I have the Copper Spur 1p and love it. But have been considering the 2p. However I do not like the new vestibule design at all. I know it can be used conventionally but I think it adds more complexity than is necessary. I will have to look at the MSR more closely. Thanks for the insight.
Just ordered the X-Mid 2. Can't wait to get it
Thank you so much -- we have two people to work around and need that "genuine two-person tent". 🙂 Appreciate your reviews!
Absolutely love my Xmid 2 regular!
Many thanks. I had just purchased the Big Agnes one. Then I see this video and rushed down to REI, returned the Big Agnes and picked up the MSR one.
Great video! I'm with you... I'd choose the MSR. Although, I do own the Paria Arches 2 person tent and it's huge. Weighs about 4 lbs, best I can remember. It's very economical too!
I preordered the Durston X-Mid 2p v2 yesterday. No need to pack up a wet tent due to condensation or rain because it's not single wall. I'm very impressed with all the unique design features and what seems to be a very simple set up. The most important feature for me is the ability to set up fly first, and pack everything including the inner tent under the fly and take it down last. Shaking out a fly is a way better option than trying to dry a single wall tent before packing up/ moving on, especially in humid climates such as ours on Vancouver Island. The V2 has a generous 52 inch wide floor, and weighs only 2.2 lbs.
I have the Copper Spur Bikepack edition and I ordered the xmid 2p v2 today (with poles). Very excited to see how it stacks up.
Thank you for considering that your videos might have a global audience and including some brief Metric conversions, to save me having to do it myself which is a frequent occurrence. After recently complimenting a high subscriber youtuber for his content and then suggesting that he also include some metric figures I was met with a backslap to suggest that if I was too lazy to look up figures, then I was too lazy to practise the motorcycle techniques he was demonstrating.
Wow. That’s quite the response! I for one and glad to have you here no matter where you are from.
I second the metric conversion. Saves me pausing the video every 5 seconds to use my calculator. It's easy to do but I usually end up switching off. Cheers. 👍
Kelty All Inn - 3lbs even 2p - two doors - semi free standing - 241... love mine :) Great video man!!! Love the channel.
How?? Every time I’m looking for a new piece of camping gear and comparing several specific items (online), you’ve already created a video doing just that. Thanks for all the great info!
Nice video comparison. I have the Nemo and love it but I'm 6'6" and like the extra length. They are all great tents but the comfort features of the Nemo stood out more to me and weight wasn't a huge concern. Love your videos and content!
I'm also 6ft4in and the nemo is great tent that I saw to online, i don't notice the weight and I never use the shoe storage thing.. love the nemo tent... nice to have a tent for us tall ppl lol
This is the exact video that I needed! Great information!
Glad it was helpful!
Oh that was the video i was looking for with exactly the 3 tents i shortlisted 😁. Planning to visit a friend in US next year going on a long trail, so unlike europe where we often use huts, this will be tent camping then...thanks for showing the metric measurements too
Exactly why I bought the tiger wall UL3
We love our Nemo Dagger. My husband is 6'2".
I'm really enjoying your channel and the gear reviews. I think instead of announcing the best tent, you should announce the best tent that fits you and your needs. But I love the way you cover the pros and cons of each. I give your reviews a 10 for 10 score.
I like your methodical, analytical approach to situations. You narrow the fields of examination down to a very few options, all of which are rational and good. Thanks.
I like the advice that you offer. (But - like any self respecting maverick - I still make my own choices. It used to irk my Dad.)
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Thank you so much for the metric conversions. Other channels are almost unwatchable to me because of this, since you'd have to look up the conversions like 20 times in a single video.
I have the NEMO Dagger Bikepack 2 person. Its not much heavier than a 1 person, its very comfortable. I sleep on a 25 inch EXPED Downmatt 9 or Dura 8 (I live in Alaska, its cool even in summer, I backpack all year round). I like the extra space for gear, hygeine in the tent, stretching out. I loved my Dagger so much I purchasrd their Kunai and I love it even more as a 3-4 season tent. It holds up to weather and its very light. I find the extra tiny weight so negligable and worth it for comfort. Also consider Paria Outdoors 2 person tents. Very inexpensive, very light and comfortable and super waterproof (it has been raining all day, every day since the 2nd week of July). Awesom channel!
I remember weighing up between the MSR and a Mont Moondance 2 a few years back. Ultimately went with the Moondance on the basis of a more water resistant floor/being a bit more durable, liking the colour better, and it being a domestic brand, but it was a close-run thing. So far it’s served me well.
Isn't MSR a Seattle based US company? or do you mean final assembly/production being done in the US?
@@SD-ft6gsMont, the maker of the Moondance, is an Australian company, therefore I believe the OP is probably Australian. ;)
I just bought the Big Agnes Copper Spur 2-person. It's plenty of room for me and my gear. Mine came with a small hole in the mesh. I contacted Big Agnes, asking for some mesh repair tape, so I didn't have to send it in. They told me to take it to REI, where I bought it. I ordered the tent online, so I'd either have to take a long drive, or mail it in, both costing me time and money. This is a manufacturing defect from Big Agnes. REI just sold the tent (it was still factory new). So much for the vaunted Big Agnes customer service. I repaired the hole with some ripstop tape that I already had. Not as nice looking as mesh tape, but it will do.
I have the MSR Hubba Hubba 2p 2022 and I love it.
These three were on my radar for a summer tent, but after owning the previous HubbaHubba, the reduction of mesh and the slightly smaller volume was a turn-off. I went with the Mountain Hardwear Aspect2, which is 90x50, a touch over 3lbs and gets the job done comfortably. It's a bit pricy, but with some rewards bucks and a well timed discount, it was ok.
I used the BA Copper Spur on my recent 5 day trip thru the Enchantment Lakes and loved every minute. That being said, I solo with only my Blue Heeler, so I do not need the room for another Human, although the dog tends to be a space hog anyway. Moose Jaw is the bomb, I check them out first before any other retailer.
“Space hog” 😂 love it mate. 👍🏼🥃
Such a great channel. Especially compared to the total shills out there. Looking at you Dan becker.
100%.
@@markcummings6856 Why is this Becker guy living rent free in your brain? What did he do, pee in your cheerios?
Agreed.
Dan lost his credibility for me a bit ago, personally. He is clearly just pushing gear to make money behind the scenes.
This guy and Becker are friends just to let you know. The tears of Dan Becker is hilarious.
I love my copper spur on the PCT
Hi Steven, I've been running the HV UL2 for 2 years exclusively with 2 persons. The floor size over time is a problem. We needed to ditch the 2 wide pads and went to the BA 2 person custom pad which incorporated the diminishing floor (no longer sold).
Had all three of these tents out with our group for 2 weeks in the Alberta Rockies a few weeks back in all conditions, they all preformed very well.
The MSR seemed to be the most comfortable and the tent we recommend - just not very attractive.
Night after night setup I found quicker with the BA but pad / floor noise can become unbearable. I agree the awning feature is a gimmick and the doors always fall in ones face and wont stay out of the way when exiting.
Had a hailstorm come in with the hail and water bouncing up under the fly - not fun for us as we also have a down investment.
The BA has always felt like 2 tents mashed together.
That said I forward another contender for an affordable full-size 2 person freestanding tent that anyone can use, how about the Marmot HV UL2.
Just replaced my BA with a Durston - gotta try 🙂
Another great video. I own both the Copper Spur and the X-Mid Pro 2p tents. But sadly I've not been able to field test either, so I'll have to reserve my full take for later. Is a full X-Mid Pro review video to come still?
Fantastic video man!
I have been looking at a TRUE 2 person tent for a hike this summer to Chicago Basin to hit a few 14ers.
For high elevation, winds, and rain, which would you go for between the MSR or Nemo?
Thanks again for the great content!
Steven I think you should consider reviewing the Tarptent Double Rainbow DW. It has the same floor space and head room as the Hubba Hubba, but is $100 cheaper (w/aluminum ridge pole) and is less weight. Plus it can be pitched free-standing with trekking poles or with just stakes and the option to pitch fly first or interior first. For some reason Tarptent gets lost in many tent reviews.
I would choose the Nemo. For me it feels like the best tend overall. The only negative about it compared to the other tents is the weight but it´s not to crazy and for me not to big of an issue.
A Hilleberg is what I would go for. Any of there 1 or more person tents are fantastic.
Would be very interested in hearing about your opinion on Teton tents. I've bought two of them and I dig them.
I've been using the BA Copper Spur for the last 2 seasons and love it. My only complaint is the floor dimensions. I'm a big guy, 6'2" 225lbs and I consider the Copper Spur 2 to be a 1 man tent. I noticed MSR HH 2 changed the floor dimensions this year and it's now 50x50. I think this will be my next tent at some point. However, not giving up my Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL 2 (fix the name, too long).
Yes I finally found a video that answers my question! So the dagger osmo 2p really does fit 2 25inch pads. I just want to know what pads u used as I am thinking of the big agnes rapide SL but not sure
Solid review. Big Copper Spur fan here (have a Flying Diamond 6, Classic UL2 and a HV UL3). I can see the appeal of the MSR for sure.
Love my Dagger Osmo, it's a luxurious palace! A pity it only includes one landing zone..
The Sierra Designs Meteor Lite 2 would be a nice fit too, if it wasn't for that colour scheme..
So glad you did this video. Thanks!
Katie and I were going to get a 3 person Copper Spur due to both of us having 25 in BA q-core deluxe pads, but more so because our 25lb welsh corgi comes with us on trips. Giving her enough room to layout a Ruffwear sleep bag/pad and us to get up and out around the pup is essential.
Buuuut… you kinda sold me on the MSR Hubba Hubba, and I think they make a 3 person version. Katie and I can split the weight of that system between the two of our OV backpacks.
And cheaper but not less quality. nice!
I agree about Hubba Hubba tent. Out of the 3 tents I currently use Hubba Hubba (2022) Copper Spur (2021) and Tiger Wall (2021) models, my go to tent is the MSR. It’s been through wind storm and rain without any issues. I also think the easton cyclone tent poles are much stronger than DAC. It’s my favorite tent at the moment.
Hi! A bunch of reviews online talk about people getting splinters from the Hubba hubba poles... have you had this experience? Want to buy the tent but that kind of puts me off from it if true
Here for the same question about the poles.
@@richterscale6406MSR will replace the poles if you get splinters. It seems to be certain batches.
@@colinskillingsMSR will replace the poles if you get splinters. It seems to be certain batches.
I'm replacing my old hubba hubba after 10 years of use. I keep shopping but keep coming back to the hubba hubba. This video is a helpful comparison.
Hey Steven, I’m wondering if you could make a video or have any recommendations for 3 person tents? My girlfriend and I have a 2 person marmot tent we love but we want a 3P instead of bringing 2 2P tents when we have a 3rd coming with us
I got a North Face Stormbreak 3 for me and my kids. We split up the weight. Yes its heavy but it was $168 on sale. For the few hikes we do a year its fine and seems sturdy.
I bought a Hubba Hubba 2 this year, discounted the Copper Spur on cost and Nemo on weight (but did really like the landing zone idea), really please by my choice, its a very nice tent so far I cannot fault it.
I really like the hubba 2. I have a kelty right now that gets casket like when it's warm out. I don't think I can do it again.
I know it's warmer when the temperatures drop, but I need that space.
I've got the Copper Spur 3 person and the X-Mid 2 Pro. X-Mid 2 Pro is amazing but per your review of it, I think I'd be hard pressed to put two people in there. I could actually fit three people (okay me + 2 kids) in the Copper Spur.
I’m amazed at how many backpackers overlook the Marmot Tungsten UL 1P and 2P tents. No rain fly sag or stretch, ceiling vent to prevent condensation, light weight, double wall, free standing, bombproof to wind and rain, warm for shoulder season excursions, spacious, and lightweight for the features. This is not an ultralight tent designed to compete with Zpacks, Gossamer Gear, or Durston but can definitely compete with BA, Nemo, REI, or MSR. It’s my go-to tent for comfort, protection from the elements (rain, cold, wind), or tight footprint options. The UL 1P has served me well on the JMT, multiple Grand Canyon trips, Sierra excursions, and late season Rocky Mtn trips. Combine this tent with a Thermarest XLite regular length wide pad, a quilt (for me a UGQ), a Cacoon silk liner, and a Zpacks attachable pillow, and you have a most comfortable tent and sleep system to ensure a great nights sleep no matter what Mother Nature throws at you. IMO!
Excellent work!
I have a 11 year old hubba hubba and it’s been a real trooper. Back then they kept the cross member attached similar to the Nemo’s.
Thanks for the metric system comments and the video!
damn, wish I saw this before I got my BA copper spur. I do love it, (ventilation is awesome in wet environments) but your right, there is no way to fit two 25" pads in it.
I decided on the X-Mid 2 (non-pro). $300 for the tent. Fits 2 wide pads. 35.4 oz / 1005 g (tent only) or 38.4 oz / 1085 g (tent, stuff sacks, 6 stakes). ($375 with a pair of carbon fiber poles adding additional 6.6 oz / 186g for both). I haven't got to use it yet but it seems to have a lot going for it for a competitive price.
I have the copper spur and my partner has a regular pad and I a wide. This fits perfect and the full floor is filled and we both share the floor space well. I really like everything else about it. Also got it for a steal at a gear trader. I agree it's too expensive normally.
I like you, you are almost as critical about door manufactures as I am. Your evaluations of these tents along with other critiques on your channel and other channels are some of the most thorough posted. My outdoor experience dates back to the early 70's. I agree with your pet gripe that one, two, three etc. ratings of tents are arbitrary manufacture sales gimmicks. The 25" shoulder width is an excellent real life dimension for hiking. 30" should also be considered for several applications like canoeing, and kayaking.
One of my pet peeves is folded pole lengths. Most seem to be 18 to 20". Most packs are 12 to 14" wide. I know packing them vertically is an option. But, if they fold to 12" horizontally would be an option. (Durston seems to get it. His carbon tent poles fold to 12") I've made shortened poles for my Hubba NX and Northface Triarch. Yes there are more sections, but not that many. And, they pack up any way I want. Thanks for letting me vent.
I agree with most of your point of views... I recently purchased the Nemo OSMO 2p and having 2nd thoughts of keeping it, and trading it in for the MSR Hubba Hubba NX 2
I'm a little over 6'-2" and my feet and head touch both ends of the Nemo, it's a little bigger than my 1p tent. Thank you for your opinion, It helped with my decision.
I've always considered a pack to be equivalent to half a person. Thus a 2-person tent will hold me and my pack, or two people with packs outside. A three person will hold two people with packs, 3 with packs outside etc. A bivvy bag is the only true one-person accommodation, since it cannot hold a pack inside.
I use the older version of the hubba hubba for quit some seasons now, and I’m really amazed by the improvements they did.
We always used cliff-Bars in the upper side of the Apsis doors to get the max air ventilation . Now they are “build in”
great video buddy, will you be able to test some more robust gear in future? all this light or ultralight stuff isn't durable or weather proof enough for me (rain and especially windy/ stormy conditions) tents (2P 2.5 - 3kg weight) for Scandinavian trekking tours or mountaineering... this additional reviews to your great channel would be awesome! best greetings frenkieoutdoors
Even though I think me and my gf would be more comfortable in the MSR, we are still quite happy in our Copper Spur. For our bikepacking it just felt like the right option, sure the extra space would be nice, but the volume and weight of the copper just worked for us.
Thank you for giving the grams conversion :)
Which one is better with dogs? I am looking for a 2p backpacking tent for myself and my 2 cattle dogs.
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Great info/review
In your opinion how is the slingfin portal 2 is compared to these tents?im thinking about buying it and there are not many reviews of it on youtube.
Is the vestibule size of the msr hubba hubba big enough for a large backpack?
I am sure loving my BA one person, sorry to say I love the awning. Still love your videos man. Keep up the good work ✌️