The Knuckles Show is a Shameful Disgrace
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2025
- I thought the Knuckles Show was not good. In fact, I thought it was quite bad! Here's why.
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Honestly they should’ve just straight up called it *” Wade & Knuckles”* the “& Knuckles” part granting the writers meme points and not false advertising it as Knuckles’ show where people say he cameos in it.
This is honestly a really good idea, it’s just less people would go in to it knowing there’s less knuckles
They didn't false advertise at all. Of course Knuckles was going to be the face of it, but the trailers made it pretty clear this was an adventure between him and Wade.
Thank you @DanGamingFan2846 and, frankly, it was a fun show.
Marketing-wise, it definitely would sound weird, but it's way more accurate to the show and would've been a really good reference.
@@crcoghillfun but still very dumb. 5/10
Wanda: You gonna go rescue him?
Knuckles: No, this show is too expensive.
Can't wait for next year,, Why Knuckles the show is actually genius ".
The J Reviews Formula
"I don't care what anyone says. I thought this show was fun. Sure it's not great but it's fun." 🤓
@@brandonspain12345 More power to you! don't let other people determine your opinion
@@brandonspain12345 same here bro. This show was a 10/10 for me
@@brandonspain12345welp we don't care what you say either then
I was excited for the show but it just makes no sense at all. The main villain doesn't even have anything against Knuckles, he just somehow has his quills and wants him dead when he very clearly described Sonic as the reason for his failures
And most importantly what’s wrong with this picture why does that tech in the final fight look so familiar?
Tbh, I think Agent Stone should be the Main Villain of the Knuckles Series, not "The Buyer".
They clearly say these animals shed their quills and get power from it lol. And he doesn't want him dead yet, he wants his power to continue what eggman started.
@@Jadinite-2006 exactly
@@RangerNationDubs he says but doesn't really give much insight on how he was collecting them. He just has them. And again he described Sonic being the reason he got fired yet wants Knuckles for some reason
I don't know what "Knuckles Show" you're talking about. This is CLEARLY the Wade Show
Yeah man I think You Mean the Wade & Wanda show
Oh come on, Wade didn't get THAT much more screen time. And they're both still great in this. Honestly, Wade's scenes are are better than most of the human scenes in the movies.
There is no "Knuckels Show" in Bao Sing Se or anywhere else
@@DanGamingFan2406 very true. While some of the hate is justified, the people who complain about this show can get a little annoying, theyre complaining about how wade was in it to much but heres the thing you gotta remember: the show is about Knuckles teaching wade the ways of the echidna! And Wade also teaches knuckles about the humans.
*Knuckles
I’ve never stared so blank-face at a tv for over an hour
So like any TV series?
@@TheSultan1470 I don’t know what shows you’re watching, pal. But good art elicit some kind of emotion (besides boredom)
@@Substantial-hf1rm I haven't even watched this show.
I don't know, it's funny. And it gives the original commenter something to think about.
I only really liked the parts where Knuckles was on screen really and fighting the villain guy. But as for Wade, i would've liked his story if it was interesting. That's the problem. And he's also a comic relief character and comic relief characters tend to not do well when they are given the spotlight
Reminds me of how bored I was with Book of Boba fett
Every company is like "How can we make a movie franchise and streaming show" not "Should we make a movie franchise and streaming show?"
This is to Sonic what She-Hulk: Attorney at Law was to Marvel.
Also the book of boba fett to star wars.
@@SerpentHashiraObanaiIgurookay let's not get carried away now, it's not *THAT* bad lmfao
@@ashuraomega1000 true but the sonic movies aren't nearly on the same scale as most MCU projects so in terms of scale it's relative.
It's not "as bad as she-hulk" but it is basically the sonic fanchise's she-hulk.
@@SerpentHashiraObanaiIguroExcept not at all lmao. At least She-Hulk was in her fucking show
Paramount CEO: "Sorry, Knuckles. “I'm afraid to say it's not 1994 anymore. These days Sonic fans don't care about unique settings and childish animal characters. They want relatable Earth problems and bumbling human OCs and F**k You, you want a chicken nugget!?”
Gwimbly all over again
"Ew, that's disgusting!"
"I hate this Guy!"
-Alan
Nice Smiling Friends reference. Also this show would've been a lot better if it focus more on Knuckles(such as his relationship with Sonic, his backstory with the echidna tribe, etc) instead of Wade, who from POV is pretty much the live action equivalent of Chris from Sonic X. I mean, this franchise is home to some of the most iconic characters in gaming, yet this miniseries doesn't focus that much on him.
I disagree with everything that the people at Paramount that worked on this show.
But I would like that Chicken Nugget please thank you.
"Knuckles is wearing the OVA hat! The fans will love this!"
I think it's funny how the hat changed size, depending on who wore it. Simply off~
i did! i literally went "omg the hat!" when he wore it. good stuff.
I swear broo 😂😂
Knuckles's OVA hat is iconic, but it's such a surface-level piece of lore for the show (which I admit I haven't seen yet and honestly don't ever want to see as a Knuckles fan). Where's the obscure lore? Nowhere.
@@Rishi123456789 "but look! They're name dropping references to levels from old games! It's giving the fans exactly what they want!"
I feel like that was a similar issue for Frontiers as well, with it kinda being one great big Family Guy call back skit, as it repeatedly bludgeons you over the head with references.
“Six episode event” is corporate talk for “2 hour movie extended to six episodes.”
Oh, ok, expert on business language
Sonic movie 3 will hopefully be better
At this point I wouldn't even consider whether the show or not is bad on it's own merits. It's moreso the principle of the people who greenlight these shows fundamentally misunderstanding what fans of this property they're adapting actually want from it. They've been doing it for decades!
The Transformers Movie; starring some human randos with special guest stars, the Transformers!
Alvin and the Chimpunks; staring Jason fucking Lee and his career troubles.
The Smurfs: What do you mean you don't care about Neil Patrick Harris' relationship issues?
There's changing certain aspects of an existing property to better fit a different medium than it's origins and then there's using said media property to try and uplift your shitty sitcom script no one wanted to buy.
That "Surf Dracula" tweet is evergreen; "back in the day if u did a tv show called surf dracula you'd see that fool surfing every week in new adventures but in the streaming era the entire 1st season gotta be a long ass flashback to how he got the surfboard until you finally get to see him surf for 5 min in the finale"
I watched the Sonic movie to see SONIC. I watched Knuckles to see KNUCKLES. Why is this so hard to understand? But all those movies I listed still did gangbusters so maybe I'm just an idiot who doesn't know how the hollywood money machine works.
Add the newest Tom & Jerry movie to that ever growing list
Maybe this is just me being a salty fanboy to that list, but add Godzilla 2014 to that list. Godzilla was barely a character in his own movie while the best human character was killed off in the first 3rd, and instead the focus was on the side monsters and the most boring human protagonist possible.
Adding to your Transformers example, its a damn shame Transformers one didn't do as well since it's a finally a Transformers about....well....the Transformers
There were some neat moments, good action and some jokes that actually landed but as a piece of Sonic media? This fails miserably. Also no Knuck If You Buck or even Unknown from M.E. in the show proper was just shameful.
Knuckles deserves far better than buddy comedy schlock.
3 of my kids are 10 and under and they kept asking me “Where is Knuckles?” And they didn’t even stay around for the season finale. This was a missed opportunity.
I read your comment and immediately thought of that meme with an orangutan, in this case saying "where Knuckles" 😄The memes write themselves.
Yikes. I guess even they didn't like it.
Between Knuckles Chaotix being clearly unfinished and on the 32X, the Penders-helmed Archie comic series and now this, I'm starting to think any Knuckles-focused media is just cursed
The biggest problem is the marketing was a lie. It made it look like the focus was on knuckles when it was on wade
its on both of them. theyre both there basically the entire time. i never got the idea that the show wasnt about the two of them together.
tbh the fandom was expecting too much when they were rumoring nonsense like the chaotix appearing (when they've aready told us for the 100th time they won't appear in the show and probably never in the movie universe in general) and Rouge (...did I really to explain the last one?)
@@criticalbuddy524Well when you’re bringing beloved characters to the big screen of course there’s gonna be high expectations. If you’re gonna make a show about some dumb comic relief character then don’t call the show “Knuckles” it’s media like this that make people have the mindset of “Sonic is for kids” when in reality Sonic is for all ages to enjoy
@@Izywik90 My theory is that they just did that to split up Sonic 3 & Knuckles Again😂😂 like how it was done back with the Sonic 3 game and Sonic and Knuckles. But hey that's just a theory, A SONIC THEORY THANKS FOR READING BUT IM NOT DONE!
i get what you mean though. No matter what there was gonna be high expectations. I personally actually really enjoyed the show. The villains was kinda meh but it was still quite entertaining seeing the agents and "The buyer" felt even more underwhelming. Also i personally would've wanted to see knuckles more in the show. it did seem like it was going to be like knuckles and wade training and i would've wanted a bit more of that aswell as them having Wade's character as he defeated his father. So it was a pretty decent and short show despite its flaws in my opinion.
@criticalbuddy524 dude its not the fandoms fault. This is 100% the company's fault for false advertising. Kinda like what Disney did with Kenobi
Kind of bummed that we’re skipping Chaos entirely. How cool would it be to see this Knuckles, who more than the original holds his clan in a high place of reverence as an honorable warrior clan, be shown the darker side of the Echidnas and set loose a monster bent on revenge for what the Echidnas did, now freed after the Master Emerald shattered in the second movie would be cool. But because Chaos and SA1 aren’t really popular compared to Shadow and SA2, we’re just going to skip that.
This would have been awesome. Expensive....but awesome.
Chaos could always be in SA2 instead of the Biolizard, if they really wanted to go that route.
Hell thue are probably skipping metal sonic too
"Kind of bummed that we’re skipping Chaos entirely."
You don't know that. For all we know, Sonic 3 could be mixing elements of Sonic Adventure 1 with Sonic Adventure 2.
@@TheAzulmagia: "Chaos could always be in SA2 instead of the Biolizard"
Yeah, I predicted two years ago that Sonic 3 would replace the Biolizard with Perfect Chaos.
My mother theorizes that some writer or producer or someone used Knuckles as a vessel to express their own issues. Why yet another bowling tournament story with daddy issues and 80s hits she remembers from her 20s?
Even she would have been more interested in the red cartoon animal.
Bro what kind of mother do you have???
@@YeomasBros.2008 What do you mean???
Based mom lol
Haaaahahahahaa
@@naitsabes6222 The most.
Paramount: "Our customers only care about human characters."
Knuckles fans: "Are we a joke to you!?"
They turned knuckles into a jew 😢
@@DubiousDepthsRadiolmao
@@DubiousDepthsRadioThinking about it, giving Eggman a certain mustache in the 3rd movie would go CRAZY.
@@DubiousDepthsRadio I'm uncomfortable with how vaguely anti-semitic this comment is. 🤨
@@premiumheadpats4150 I'm just mad that they had to bring religions to a knuckles show like wtf there are millions of pepole who are not Jewish AAAA
JUST WHY THE TOPIC OF RELIGIONS IN A KIDS SHOW AAAAAAA
If they we're eluding to the holocaust, then that means that Hitler exists in the same universe as a cartoon blue hedgehog.
Knuckles deserve better, especially since this is his 30th Anniversary! 😑
I mean you always have the Sonic Frontiers Knuckles Prologue and Movie 2
@@LashesElf true, but that came out before 2024, Knuckles' 30th Anniversary
Dam lol I forgot it was his 30th , and bro got this as his legacy for 30 years 🤣😭😭😭
I feel sorry for knuckles 😞
@@Uesr2004DI strongly suggest you look up the Sonic Archie Comics. They do the entire Sonic franchise justice! Knuckles was portrayed well and treated with more respect.
This show is just like the franchise.
Potential to be great, but somehow ruined because the people behind it don't know what made things work. Only reason I had to sit through it all was because I had to do a review on it
4:53 YES. THANK YOU!!
@@RJTM1991The movies were terrible. Sonic elements were barely in them, the characters didn't act like the game counterparts and it was kinda written... bad.
@@KumatorasLittleCutie-PieThat's a dumb take
@@EWOODJ Says you.
One major thing that caught me off guard when watching this show was the Inclusion of Iblis and the Flames Of Disaster.
That was the first time In official Sonic media we ever heard of Iblis In over 18 years.
That was really the only thing that stuck with me after watching this.
Everyone's perception of this show entirely depends on how they feel about wade and him taking over as the main character. If you don't like wade, you're probably not going to like this series.
Well... I certainly didn't, so you're probably right
It's because Wade doesn't work as a protagonist. He doesn't have protagonist energy. He's a comic relief character.
I liked Wade, so I found his and Knuckles' scenes together pretty fun and charming. They have a shocking good dynamic with each other.
i couldnt care about wade either way, but he was fine, and knuckles was great as always, and he was in the show heavily despite me hearing so much saying otherwise...
I liked Wade in the movies. I thought he was a good little comedic relief character but this show made me actively dislike him, he just couldn’t work as a protagonist. Keeping him as an occasional gag is what he was designed for and when you take him out of that he just didn’t work very well
i am just disappointed they didn't include greg the second (wade's WACKY cousin). really shows how little this show cares about the fans...
Tsk tsk.
who is greg
i hate, hate, HATE it when shows/movies do this. since transformers (maybe earlier) they keep putting the titular character as background. as spoony once said; "how hard is it to make the main character, the main character?!" I knew the moment i heard that wade was going to be in it tha it was automaticaly going to be painfully bad. i didn't like any of his scenes in the movies and thought he ruined a pretty nice scene with his 'joke'.
I hate you
You’re such a baby man, chill out, you’re not paying for this
@TristanBonsi i know man. I don't recall how or why I was the way i was commenting but it is what it is *shrug*
@@EclipseHedgehog I guess you didn’t know what you’re saying but you were agreeing with all these people and said this without a purpose I guess. I must apologize for my harsh comment
I'm sure this is already one of those were people go "HEEYYYY! I liked this show! It was fun!" But was this the show you really wanted to see though? Was an entire show about a man-child's wacky family issues with a bowling competition you really wanted to see for a Knuckles show or did you just like it because it had Sonic's brand on it? And I went into this with an open mind, I didn't go into this with the expectations of what hardcore fans imagined the show being like, but it has all the tropes of a bad 2000s live action movie based on a cartoon with too much pop culture references, celebrate references, characters talking the same and a severe lack of focus on the title character.
yes. i wanted to see a wacky comedy with knuckles as the straight man. its a side show about knuckles not a movie so yeah something like this is literally what i wanted.
@@saphcalI think what he meant to say is, would you have watched this if it didn’t have the Sonic brand at all? Like, no Knuckles.
@@Fractorification No I wouldn't. but it does so thats a dumb question so i assumed it couldnt be what was asked. because "would i watch a comedy with wade and no sonic characters" says nothing to "would i watch a comedy with wade and sonic characters".
Like... the Sonic movies?
@@TheSultan1470
YES!!!!!!
They did the Chaotix thing where they just slapped Knuckles's name on the front, despite not being the main character.
Why bowling?
Like they could have at least had the character be a BOXER. You know, because it’s Knuckles
Why don’t you shut up?
did you catch all the knuckles cameos in the wade show guys
huh? what'd you say? i was looking away from the screen because Wanda started talking again
knuckles is in most of the episodes most of the time. cut this out. after episode 1 i saw comments like this and was worried but knuckles was there all the time. constantly. far more than he wasnt.
@@saphcalTake a break bro, I like replying as much as the next guy but not every negative comment needs you trying to debate them on an opinion.
@@Substantial-hf1rm my comments were 5 hours ago. ive been "taking a break". but if people reply to my comments, i get notifications, and im gonna come reply back (in most cases).
@@saphcalshould've been the other way around, "wade was in most of the episodes most of the time"
When you think of knuckles you dont see him bowling with wade
“Take aim at your pins and… *knuckles shatters the glass in the pin area with the bowling ball*”
To me personally, the Knuckles show should've actually focused on the Echidna himself instead of having Wade join along.
What a shame, especially considering how well the movies worked
Well thanks to that show fans are worried about sonic movie 3
@@TheGilbz12I kinda am too.
@@TheGilbz12
We will have to see.
@@garr_inc well we should fine because Toby said sonic movie 3 will be a fun movie abs take allot from sa2 I don’t man I’m still worried at the same time
The movies we're never good
Personally i really liked it but i get peoples complaints. Wanda absolutely sucks though
yeah shes my only complaint. she was really obnoxious.
Yeah, she sucks
Wanda is the seemingly unanimous negative thing people have about the show hehe.
This show started out strong, but once I learned that this show wasn’t about Knuckles, it went all downhill from here. What a waste of peoples time while they’re waiting for Sonic 3.
This show was genuinely one of the most boring experiences I've had in a long time. The biggest issue I have is that I feel like this show has no idea who it's supposed to be for.
OH NO!
OH YEAH!
@@adashi2407
I'm just imagining the Kool Aid Man responding to Knuckles now 😂
anyway
This was more of a Jewish movie if anything. that wade actor was terrible and writers sucked for focusing more on wade and their religion. Lazy writing.
I forced myself to sit through Sonic Prime for some reason. I don’t think I’ll be doing that for this one
The difference is that this show is absolutely amazing and Sonic Prime is absolute trash.
I feel sorry for you then, Sonic Prime started out good, then went to garbage
Same, the first episode was the longest 30 minutes of my life, dropped it as soon as the credits hit
Prime was good until it wasn't, shame
@@skibot9974Sonics characterization in prime is not good for starters. Not horrible but not good
Bruh, the Wade scenes was basically the wedding scene from Sonic 2, but worse. This is the problem. We don't need to waste time on the human characters as they don't really add anything to the story we are actually interested in seeing... y'know, the Sonic Adventures where it's him and his friends in their world. The studios need to learn that we only came to see those type of adventures rather than a cringe comedy fest.
Gonna have to disagree. I love this series. I kind like that they focused on Wade, he's one of my favorite side characters and I like that they fleshed him out. The animation's as good as the movies, idris Elba's Knuckles is always a win, and his and Wade's dynamic is hilarious. People just need to stop judging stuff based on what they were expecting rather than what they got, because what we got, is a pretty good time.
Yeah but Wanda and the two goons for G.U.N SUCKED
Glad you licked it lol but I wanna ask Who genuinely wanted to know about wades family?
You're a worthless human paid shill.
I watched 3 episodes of it last night, and I thought it was good.
@@naitsabes6222me.
Man, the group I watched this with made me feel like I was on psych meds. They loved it, and I was bored and frustrated with the constant 80s music, Wade being a manchild, and Knuckles being pushed to the side.
your group was right. and the music was the best part lol
Man, you've got to abandon that gang of dummy 20-somethings.
Seems like you had higher expectations, good, good.
@@KingGoji-m1r3 what's the problem with expecting something to be good?
@@saphcalYour taste sucks man
I find wade endearing despite the shows flaws. The show could use more knuckles but its not like he is nowhere in the show at all. If anyone went in expecting a suprise chaotix reveal or like next to no humans I think you should temper your expectations. It advertised a buddy comedy between wade and knuckles and thats what it delivered. As a show in that regard I think its fine enough.
Good news is that since this is a paramount show with a lower budget and next to no effect on characterization. It more than likely wont affect anything about sonic 3.
I still say this show shouldve been 2d animated because then there wouldnt have to be as much focus on wade and knuckles would be less expensive to animate, allowing him more screentime.
I really hate that these Sonic adaptations just can't let the Sonic characters stand out on their own. They always need to bounce off of someone else or partner up with them, instead of just letting the Knuckles show or Sonic movies be, well... The KNUCKLES show or SONIC movies. Wade is such a nothing character and I didn't care for the cop either(don't remember his name).
I disagree with you on the "Wade is such a nothing character" part.
They legit committed the sin of making a comic relief the main character and give him the daddy issues trope it's so bad
@@antidisestablishmentarianism3 exactlyyy
@@antidisestablishmentarianism3 Right and plus that's the problem with Cars 2, Minions, and the Patrick Star Show. They take the dumb and annoying characters and give them the main focus which ends up not working, and not to mention his arc is a little similar to Po's arc from Kung Fu Panda 1 of a guy who's looked at as a joke wanting to become respected by everyone, but here's the thing...Po's story was ACTUALLY interesting.
@@Du-yw1pz right, and as far as I remember, finding Dory did a similar thing too, but actually made it pretty interesting compared to those other movies & knuckles
This was Sonic Forces all over again with false advertising to the max. it wasn’t the Knuckles show, it was the Wade & Knuckles show.
At least Sonic Forces advertised itself as a Sonic Game, with the focus being on actual Sonic characters.
Episode 4 was literally a music that was competing with the nba young boys 😂😂😂😂
It was exactly as they advertised it
@@JCSA79V Except they advertised clearly as Knuckles being the most important character when that clearly didn’t end up being the case.
i never saw it adverised as anything else? maybe people dont research things before seeing them enough...i knew exactly what it was gonna be a goofy buddy comedy/roadtrip with knuckles and wade, and thats what i got, and i enjoyed it immensely.
I never thought they could make a character more idiotic then Wade but then they introduced Wanda
I thought it was pretty bad but whenever the camera was on Knuckles it was awesome.
my words exactly
They could’ve explored why the owls and Echina’s were at war. I had assumed that the owls were the victims in the first film.
4:28
Well Echidnas in the old Sonic Comic are well versed in A holocaust sooo it's not completly out of nowhere...
While there were a few elements that I liked, it was very obvious while watching that this was done by a different writing team than the movies
I’ve seen people compare this to the wedding scene from the second movie, but at least that sequence heavily involved the movies’ take on G.U.N (plus it was honestly funnier than the human shenanigans in this show, and it was mainly to break up the main action between the snowboard sequence and the Labyrinth Zone fight just a little bit for pacing reasons)
Who the hell let Wade hijack the whole damn show. This was pain and cringe, oh my god! I just wanted to shut off the TV as fast as possible!
The final battle of this show was just a alternate version of the final battle in the first movie.
Show: The show has Knuckles knocked out while Wade gives an emotional speech about how Knuckles is his friend and that gives him the power to wake up, take back his power and just full on demolish the Buyer.
Sonic Movie 1: Robotnik had wounded Sonic badly and Tom fights Robotnik and then goes on to deliver a speech about how Sonic's home was Green Hills and that gives Sonic the power to wake up, take back his power and just full on demolish Robotnik before exiling him to the Mushroom Planet.
The stuff with Wade's mum and Knuckles was honestly my favourite part of the show, their dynamic was just really sweet. It's a shame Wanda was there to ruin literally everything
This show only exists to sell subscriptions to Paramount Plus, and I hate that. People hate the term "settling for mediocrity," and it's usually used in bad faith to be fair. But the Knuckles show is absolutely mediocrity and just an insult to the respect of fans
Can’t imagine if the show called Knuckles didn’t have knuckles as the main character of the knuckles show that’s literally advertised as being about knuckles with knuckles in the knuckles show that’s intention was to go over the character of knuckles
*Just to be clear, you're talkin' about Knuckles right? Lol!*
If they gave you 100 dollars for each time you said Knuckles you would be rich
Legit the first 2 episodes went strong because Jeff made those 3rd was literally about wades shitty ass family 4th was competing with the nba young boys and 5th I have no idea and 6th over a bowling tournament 😑and having that mech that was literally the rhino from tasm2 ending and don’t get me started on the post credits oh my girl Rouge about come in…….. never mind 🤦🏾♂️
@@MilesReset that’s actually pretty funny because dudes thought they make the whole world love and last I checked the score was 88% and went down to 6 something percent bro now thanks to that show people are worried about sonic movie 3
It felt like borderline false advertisement. Sure, we knew Wade was gonna be in it, but we didn’t know that Knuckles was gonna be treated as a side character. Heck, in most of the advertisements I saw of it, Wade and his family was nowhere to be found, while Knuckles was portrayed to be the character that is front and center.
this show is pure agony coming from a major sonic d rider. i will defend 06 with my life but this show makes me feel incredibly suicidal. i am a firm believer that punishment can never be taken too far depending on the crime, with a child molester there is no limit to punishment. i believe the death sentence is too lenient and think people are bullshitting when they say "i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy" but i truly do not wish this show on my worst enemy. there is NO demographic for this.
@@RJTM1991 okay, i am very much aware of all of this. this was more of a joke comment than a real response. i have nothing against the movies, they were a bit goofier and i actually grew up on 06 - probably explaining some bias towards it. 06 was out of place, sure, but the problems people have with the game is mostly for the bugs and part of the story and gameplay. the story itself was fine, minus some of the weird parts. it was revolutionary as a game that actually showed sonic getting killed. 06's story was fine. i love frontiers and i like their newer stuff as well.
like i said i'm a major sonic d rider, i absolutely love everything they do. including sonic schoolhouse and aosth. i also like the newer stuff. i just don't like the knuckles series. new fans don't even like the show either, not sure why you'd bring that point up but alright.
@@RJTM1991 you're not sega are you? the franchise has come a far way, and even with the transition it was pretty rough. if you want to talk about games that killed the point - talk about shadow's game in 05. his character was definitely not one that i would consider to be the same in sa2 to shadow 05. there has always been monsters in the franchise, i'm pretty sure iblis's design or idea was taken from chaos (sa2) or metal overlord (sonic heroes). death has always been a thing, the MAIN first death probably being maria. sonic adventure was dark and gritty as well. this is why there's titles for these eras.
the classic games are the classic era. the next would be the dreamcast era. we're in the modern era.
there is not a lot wrong with 06's story. it's mainly the timing, bugs, gameplay, loading screens, parts of the stories (mainly elise), and how rushed the game was and the unprepared team. project 06 is more beloved than the original and what people usually flock to, that being said, it doesn't take away from the story. only changing gameplay mechanics and a bit of tweaking.
@@RJTM1991 what my point is that i also do not like the sonic "fans" that hate everything and will never be satisfied. i hate those kinds of people - they say they like the formula, story, gameplay, or whatever of the classics or sa2 and yet hate those games. they will not be satisfied. but i don't find that the new fans like the show. it's just a really bad show.
@@RJTM1991 ALSO if we want to talk about the classic era, we shouldn't skip over the early archie comics and the shows. the archie comics were edgier than 06 was. sonic was a complete dickhead, opposed to 06 and the sonic we know. that's why things change. in SATAM uncle chuck is sonic's uncle that becomes roboticized, it is a dark scene in the show because sonic is quite emotionally hung up about it. tragedy and grittiness has always existed in the sonic franchise. including sonic's nightmare in SATAM of being physically unable to save sally. in sonic x (2003) following the sa2 timeline, there are many scenes that can be disturbing or distressing. let's not forget the dead soldiers morphing into the trees. 06 might've been the first time we've seen sonic die, but not the first time someone has died in the sonic series. it was a turning plot point because sonic dying was the thing that made elise cry and release iblis.
not to mention everyone's backstories. especially knuckles's.
This is what I'm saying. I've been defending this franchise since I could read but goddamn have some fucking standards. Its fine to like it or enjoy it but to just dismiss all criticism and act like people are just being toxic? Starfield launch all over again.
My only two problems were Wade is already the loser character who has a great arc but since they had to make his sister more unlikeable than him they went the extra two miles for her. Also the flames of disaster are not knuckles powers or source. So weird for them to pick that
I…
Liked it…
Okay
Okay
Okay
"That's no good!"
Cool
It's still trash
You can like trash
So, it’s essentially that scorned bride scene in Sonic 2 where it briefly derails from the main characters and feels like a different movie. Except that it's elongated from a few minutes to over an hour (if not more). And not as funny (at least the scene I mentioned was amusing on its own).
I just hope that Sonic 3 won't share the same quality as this product...
This is why the sonic movie should be animated
Still better than Sonic Prime.
And that's saying a lot cause I'd rather watch Underground over Prime.
Wow! You must really LOVE boring, human sitcom dramas, mundane sports like bowling & must really hate the Sonic characters, stories lore. 😂 Yeah totally, who needs a Silver The Hedgehog Show, let's make a Crazy Carl Show [co-starring Silver!] Where Silver is Helping hobos get jobs, and learning about camping! 😊 Who needs world ending stakes and time-traveling to save the future? That's TOO boring! Audiences and Sonic fans don't wanna see that! MORE CRAZY CARL! 😂
underground?? u must hate prime
@@lazyasfdrawings I'm in the process of editing down all 3 seasons into 12 episodes, each episode lasting 22-25 minutes. With all the flashbacks and brain dead writing, I'm confident it can be done without losing any context. That show sucked. At least the Knuckles Show got to the point, had a bit of fun with the writing, and lasted 6 episodes(23-25 minute long episodes btw).
@@GUNS_jkAh yes. The point being...not being a show about the titular character
Your taste sucks dude
I really hate that people are defending it by saying "why can't you guys be happy? It's a fun silly show and that's all it was trying to be" because that shouldn't BE all it's trying to be. It SHOULD be good, and it SHOULD be a good show about Knuckles. The only case in this series where I'll say that the defenders truly are just settling for mediocrity.
Yeah I agree. I'm willing to say this show is fine for kids. Hell, if I was a kid I bet it would be a great time. But I just don't get why we have to pretend people disliking it or just pointing out valid issues is equivalent to toxicity.
This isn't even a bad Sonic show, its just a bad show
Why are you gay
Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 is unironically one of my favorite movies of all time
What's scary is that this series is actualy making them money. Who knows what kind of negative effect this'll have on the series as whole long term.
@@RJTM1991 We want OUR faithful sonic universe. We want newer audiences to know the same series we know, for what it really is. We don't want it to be towned down and reshaped to appease a totaly different audience wile they leave the old fanbase for d*ad. Not some generic, corporate, focuse group, toddler slop. The REAL series that hooked me up as a kid and grew up with.
@@RJTM1991 They weren't tied, but that's not the point. There were rarely any shows that lasted long, until Sonic X came out. It's still being talked about to this day. Even if it wasn't perfect, atleast it got the characters and the world right. Tying together different games as their own arcs, and deliver some interesting and memorable story elements. It was so much fun watching a show that actualy took inspiration from the games and took the tragedies, sad backgrounds of the characters seriously. A show that does not treat you as if you were an idiot.
Most new comers don't know anything about any of the shows, games, nor any of the additional medium. They just want to see Jim Carrey and kil l some time with their kids. If they're making a Sonic movie and claim that its "for the fans", I want them to make a GOD DAMN MOVIE THAT'S ACTUALY MADE FOR THE FANS!!!! Not some cashgrab trash luring normies that'll abandon the series onece they had their fun with it. I want a show/movie that's ACTUALY targeted at me. As long as that doesn't happen, i'll be here and tell people the honest truth. THIS MOVIES ARE TRASH AND ARE NOT FAITHFUL.
@@RJTM1991 The movies saved it, but that doesn't mean it'll remain sega's strongest asset. It can die as fast as it grows. If they are going to make movies, I WANT AN ACTUAL SONIC MOVIE. If all they are going to do is create more mediocraty, startover or stop! I won't shut up just because they got lucky and made money. I want the studios and sega to know that this is not what we want. You made money, MAKE SOMETHING I REALLY WANT!
@@RJTM1991 Have you seen the trash they've been making through the years? Bad game, after bad game, after bad game. After Generations, all they ever did was release unfinished, broken games with no fun gimmiks in them. Sega is just a bad company, that's the only reason they lost money. The fans were fed up and stop taking their abuse after Forces. The franchise became dormant until the movies saved them. THEY GOT LUCKY. With that said, I hate how badly the movies portray the series. Its like the directors take us for chill mo rons.
@@RJTM1991 Sega's only biggest enemy is themselves. And they almost went out of business because of it. THEY GOT VERY LUCKY!
Ls mark must be insane lmao
2:05 Disses Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. Opinion discarded.
Glad I'm not the only one
Everyone seems to be loving this absolute slop
Genuinely one of the worst things to come out of the franchise imo
I mean people are allowed to have their own opinions but ok 🤷♂️
@@LashesElfthats why he said "imo" at the end
Esp Ls mark
This definitely felt like the "Wade Show Featuring Knuckles." And all that promotion and advertising made us assume it would focus more on "Knuckles."
I was also disappointed with the show, for a show called “knuckles” you expect it to be abt him but it’s not and you can clearly tell in episode 4 they were running low on budget, I don’t hate wade but I wanna see knuckles not a tv show abt some idiot. At least Sonic 3 isn’t gonna be like this cause in the end this is just filler but not good filler so
Personally I loved the show. I can look at its faults, like knuckles not even being fully in its own show, or how the plot is generic. But I feel like Wade and knuckles’ dynamic was entertaining and how the show was an entertaining fever dream. Also knuckles looks as good as movies.
I swear if this show is anything to go by, they better not have such a focus on human characters in Sonic 3 unless it's about Maria and Gerald Robotnik. I dont want another repeat of that whole wedding segement from Sonic 2 either.
How could the story of the series have been? Here's an idea: The Master Emerald is stolen and Knuckles embarks on a mission to recover it (it can be alone or accompanied by Tom), at some point it is revealed that the thief was Rouge who stole it for the Hard Boiled Heavies (here they would be human versions with advanced weapons that adapt their abilities from the games). It is revealed that Rouge is not bad as such, she was simply fulfilling a contract. After defeating the bad guys, recovering the Emerald (incidentally, Rouge would flirt a little with Knuckles) and returning home, it would be revealed to us that the bat works for GUN and already got the information they needed, preparing the ground for the third movie.
It could’ve had more knuckles but the last two episodes were definitely the worst…well at least there’s shadow in the third movie.
it could have had more but he was there for most of most of the episodes which is more than i was worried about with how people were talking about it. idk what the problem with the last two episodes was, i thought they were great.
@@saphcal yeah the bowling tournament arc was great but I’ll have to rewatch them later.
@@saphcal No, they’re just assholes, to be honest I don’t think they deserve a whole sonic universe after they complain over little things in every movie
The wedding scene was fine for me because it didn't stay its welcome but Wade? We gotta slog through his stories for the rest of the episodes--MULTIPLE EPISODES-- and it's annoying
I want to see my boi Knuckles, okay? I like the humans character, especialy Tom and Maddie, but this story is about the Mobians, not the humans :/
This is a rare occasion where I strongly disagree with J because I loved this show it had fun with itself and was genuinely enjoyable
Agreed. I agree with J on the false advertising of it being a Knuckles centric show. However, it's been a long time since I've seen a character (Wade) actually become fleshed out. He has an arc. It it cheesy and does it use some rather unorthodox ways (I didn't care for the dance number) to produce growth? Sure. But it's not terrible.
@@christopherpalanuk584 every ad i saw of it showed it was gonna be some sort of buddy comedy with wade so i dont think it was false advertising at all, i think the people claiming it is, didnt actually see or didnt pay attention to the advertising.
I think you both are right
7:28 That was likely done so they wouldn't have to spent budget on animating knuckles.
Honestly the fact that this show doesn’t even have 8 or 10 episodes tells me this show was meant to be a cash grab from the get go.
There' not enough story to fill 6 espisodes, and the show spents most of it' time on a throw away side character instead of knuckles.
Its probably because I had 0 expectations, but I honestly didn't think it was that bad. Mainly two because I already have the pieces of Sonic media I like and can go back to so I don't need this Knuckles show to be the greatest piece of fiction of all time.
What I have personally learned about Sonic media is really just don't go in expecting the greatest thing ever. The old memories and enjoyment of enjoying the older media will never come back with the new stuff. Not even trying to be cynical or anything but I think its just kind of the truth. I mean I will admit I was hoping for a lot of stuff in the Knuckles show but also at the same time its the Sonic Movie universe, its for the casuals and not the fans. Not sayin the fans can't enjoy them but like its not going to be what we all want it to be, and thats personally something I'm content with.
I wish they would make a sonic movie in the same vein as the Mario movie. The human characters are so cringe. What sonic fan cares about Sonic interacting with real humans? If you want that, I honestly despise you. Give us a full CGI sonic film ffs.
Its genuinely shocks me that people are actually defending this show like THIS is what you wanted from a knuckles show?
I haven’t seen the show yet but their allowed to have their own opinion unless their being toxic about it
Yeah I saw some people just defending this sh*t because our expectations are high.
Like this is a time where a great video game show Fallout just came out and that show rocked. They should've just made this into a 40 min special instead
@@LashesElfi don't have a problem with people liking the show what i do have a problem with is people actling like we fans have "too high expectations" for wanting the show to focus on who its name after
4:16 From what I've heard about Paramount and current events , I think I know why this scene was added in.
I hope at least they use this show as set up an adventure where knuckles relizes the truth behind Pachacamac's lies and Pachacamac is reveal to be the cold hearted, power hungry warlord we know him as.
Okay that would be *great.* We fans all know how much of a ruthless, heartless, power-hungry sonuvabitch he really is.
different versions
@@loiiysailor1177 Explain please?
I just didn't like how the human characters keep being the center and Wade's family is like wth
imagine calling it the knuckles show when knuckles isn't even the main focus for like most of the episodes
Knuckles is the focus for the first three episodes, Wade rescues Knuckle in the second but they're only able to escape because of Knuckles and his abilities. Knuckles straight up saves Wade and his entire family from mercenaries in the third episode. I'd argue the last 3 episodes pivot to having Wade as a central focus. It's very much a buddy cop movie with both getting a great amount of focus.
Even in the fourth episode which is Wade focused, when Wade is kidnapped there's an entire spiritual sequence in which he has to find his true warrior by reenacting Knuckles origins and essentially becoming Knuckles in this warrior forged play.
So even in the episode without Knuckles...you're still getting Knuckles.
Is Wade the narrative focus, yes, but it's not like they withheld these details. When the show got announced they said Wade was gonna be a protégé of Knuckles and a major focus from the get go.
I’m a Jewish Sonic fan so the third episode was the high point of the whole show for me. I didn’t get the knuckles show that I wanted but let me tell you I got something I didn’t know I wanted from that episode
Winner.
I cringed at the part where an actor is in a Knuckles costume & running through a "zone." Honestly felt sorry for the actor 😖
If you ask me, they shouldve just made this into a 1 hour special if they're too cheap to have Knuckles as a main character
Nearly everything you said was how I thought LS Mark was gonna say about "Knuckles," especially knowing how much of a certified Sonic fan he is... But *no.*
Thanks, J.👍🏻
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5:48 this is the worst piece of media the TMNT has ever (officially) cameo'd in
The first two episodes were good and my fav but the rest was crap. There are two reasons that makes this series suck a bit more, one is the title, they know that wade is basically the main character so why would they name it knuckles? At least name it Knuckles & Wade series or something but just knuckles is so false. Second reason is wade's family, i wouldn't have mind if he just stop by to say "hi' or something and left but after episode 3 they are suddenly apart of the rest of the series and that throws me off, it would've been so much better if the father , mother and b*tch sister was not an add on to the rest of the story, cause now its not even the Knuckles & Wade series its Knuckles & Family series. I just really hate how they also focused more on the family than knuckles. Tho i am glad that knuckles looks a lot happier cause he has been though tough sh*t for decades and he needs a hug. I am only simping for knuckles the rest of the cast i could care less about. Bye.
The part about the Knuckles Show that's so fucked up to me is that everything about it feels so corporate and fake, like it's just a bunch of suits who want a show with a well known and popular character, and then they turn around and go "hey, remember Sonic 06? Remember the Flames of Disaster?" And I'm like, what the fuck? How do they even known about that, I don't even think a show run entirely by Sonic fans would go for a reference like that.
First episode was the only good episode
5:57 Yeah in this part I was thinking "this is exactly like that scene in the final battle of Shazam"
Knuckles learning about Judaism wasn't something I ever expected to see. Certainly subverted my expectations
Yeah it was not the Knuckles show, it was Wade becoming slightly less of a manchild. The final fight being a copy-paste of the Sonic 1 movie finale didn't help either, but the combat FX, color grading and OST were pretty neat. A thing that may break or make the show of you is that every character acts like they would in a cartoon. No piece of dialogue in a normal scene sounds like it comes from a real human, rather they sound like they come from a cartoon character. I feel it would be much better as an animated series rather than a live action show. My verdict is that it's not bad, but it's not good either.
The knuckles cameos were so cool man wish they did a show about knuckles
They should’ve made a knuckles chaotix show instead
While i do understand why people are mad over Wade having slightly more screen time than Knuckles, heres the thing you have to remember: The show is about Knuckles teaching Wade the ways of the Echidna! Wade also teaches Knuckles about the humans. The show is about them learning from eachothers cultures while they journey together. Of course Wade is gonna be in a lot of scenes.
They could’ve done that without making the show so goofy and having a more serious tone. The FBI agent was the cringiest and most CW-like character I’ve ever seen in the SMU. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t have humor, but they should have better writing. It’s unacceptable.
@@nazomius7033 well thats your opinion. Were all alowed to like or dislike it if we like. If you dont like it and think its bad, thats compleatly fine.
it shouldn’t have been about wade though? there are literally countless of other options that would work better for a show like this and the fact that they jam wade in with this bowling interest we knew nothing about beforehand feels stilted and awkward imo. would’ve much preferred if knuckles was teaching maddie or tails instead as a show, wade is just a nothing burger to me 🤷♂️
No
@@whydoesyoutubehavehandles they probably chose Wade because they wanted him to develop as a character, which he did. And Knuckles had some development too, he learned more about the humans and found his place
I actually thought it was pretty good. My only real gripe was that The Buyer's mech at the end came out of nowhere and was only around for about five minutes before being destroyed.
excusing the lack of knuckles in his own show because of the fact that CGI is expensive is so funny because the real solution is to not make the show. i would have rathered this not existed. i was looking forward to this because while i HATED the first paramount sonic movie, i was pleasantly surprised by the second. i still dont love the human characters honestly, theyre all unlikable to me, and i dont love sonic's characterization. if you want a sonic story with annoying human characters featuring his friends, just watch sonic x. pretty cool series
They sould have instead made a 1 hour long "special presentation" like Marvel did with Werewolf By Night
Or make fewer episodes so more focus and budget can go towards Knuckles.