Rachel, I live in Hamilton, Ontario and I am originally from Edmonton, Alberta (4 hours North of Calgary) This case hits home with me. Hamilton can be a very dangerous place comparing this to Edmonton. You left out a VERY crucial part. She was believed to have been seen at The Budget Inn which is well known for Drug Addicts, Prostitution and Hamilton Finest Criminals. The Police were called and as far as I know the Police would not go in because they didn't have a search warrant. I think the Hamilton Police has done a terrible job and an injustice to Holly and her parents. My boyfriend and I were one of the very first people to have been approached with her missing persons flyer. We both asked for a few to distribute at our apartment buildings. I believe she was a victim of foul play. I think there were two men chasing her. I think they caught her, kept her at the Budget Inn. I think they got spooked because of the publicity and did something to her. It wasn't long after the Budget Inn incident that there was a Human Trafficking Bust in Toronto. I was approached just in August by a tall bald man at Tim Horton's in the afternoon. This man approached me and demanded my phone. I declined. He said he was going to behead me and take me out to the woods etc. I am still scared now. In fact, I am shaking while trying to write this. There was more to all what happened including him getting in my friends face and threatening him. I was not even a threat to him. I was sitting on my Walker for ffs. He approached me. It's not far fetched to think she was followed at all. Right now, there is a man pretending to be an "Uber Driver" giving free rides and then assaulting them sexually. The Police do not make this a huge deal because the stabbings and shootings take more priority I guess! Like I said, Hamilton is dangerous!
woah, im so sorry you had to go through that! also, thank you for sharing some more "word on the street" info and overlook. i think your theory is VERY plausible. maybe, she got involved with drugs, specifically meth will make you paranoid. and it had led to so many bad ending. keep me updated in theae comments tho is you hear any new speculations or case updates please. this video hit pretty close to me as well
@@lacimccullough6602 Watch Lordon Arts and I think Kendall Rae both did a video about Holly. There was another thing too. She was expecting guests that night for some type of get together that she bought the food for. She was definitely expected back. My theory on the bag is that it may have been laundry! Maybe she went to the laundromat. I am not familiar with that area even though I live in this city.
Oh, also I'm the exact same way. I literally NEVER answer my door unless I'm expecting someone and I'm a psycho about the doors being locked and bolted no matter the time of day. I seriously freak out everytime someone knocks on the door. I think it's from past trauma and generalized anxiety disorder. Plus I watch so much true crime it's taught me to be extra vigilant!
Same, though without the trauma. My parents just always pounded it into my head to keep everything locked at all times, and I'm just generally antisocial and don't like answering the door.
I had so much hope for her. I think in those cases, sometimes it’s not the best to announce missing people directly, if they’re in distress and disoriented, then having ppl looking for them publicly might consolidate that and freak them out.
As someone who suffers mental illness and has had abuse in relationships, I must say the way you discuss mental illness is very heart touching and understanding ❤️🙏🏼 God bless you
Is it just me or is it weird that she was crying at the start of the voicemail and by the end she was like "so can you help out by buying me a ticket, that would be greatly appreciated" in such a calm voice? Very strange.
this is the main peice of info that made me think of drugs, especially meth. maybe she was taking part in experimentation and it just went bad. ive heard so many sad story's without happy endings involving drugs.
@@lacimccullough6602 I cry and then talk normal when I am having a full blown anxiety attack! I have never done any type of illegal drugs except MJ in my teen years. I am pushing 50 soon!
Yes, i thought maybe someone had walked in or passed her as she was leaving the voicemail and she tried to compose herself or maybe she was outside but it was still kinda strange how she got herself together that quick
I live in Hamilton, this scares me 😩 poor girl. There are a lot of rough areas in Hamilton, which makes sense why there would be sketchy men chasing her. There are a lot of trails in Hamilton too by the water, and some accidents occur there where people slip and fall into the water... she could've slipped into the water and hit her head somehow.
exactly! i had a psychotic episode that developed over a couple days, stressful situations can definitely induce episodes very quickly as well. there are also many types of psychotic disorders, you may have an episode and not even have schizophrenia
The difference with Emma was her boyfriend was probably abusing her and threatening her, and the tried to get away. This case with Holly suddenly saying out of the blue someone was after her, acting strangely on the phone and then leaving on her own - is a bit more along the line that she left and then either met with foul play or died by her own hand/accidental drowning. I think she possibly had mental issues in the end. Sad.
With that being said it’s a terrible part of that city; when I showed it to my boyfriend on the map (he’s from there) he said it’s very likely that she wasn’t imagining people chasing her... it’s quite believable.
Why would she leave her house knowing her Dad was on his way to get her? It makes me wonder if her relationship with the roommates was as good as they made it out to be. All they have is their side of what was going on.
Yeah that struck me as odd. If she was afraid of people chasing her and didn't even want to go to the airport/fly by herself why would she go out walking by herself
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I’ve wondered if she hid somewhere (from the men who were chasing her) and starved or froze to death, or if she jumped in the water trying to get away from someone whom she thought was chasing her and drowned. Whatever happened to her, this is a terribly sad case and I hate it for her family. 😞
I’m glad her roommates called the police when she talked about the two men. So often in these cases people around the victims hear or see very concerning or suspicious things but they just brush it off
The roommates didn't call the Police because of the men chasing her, They called because they thought she was having a mental breakdown of some sort. IF the incident had been taken seriously, perhaps they would have caught them and she would still be alive!
@@katrinagraham7615Ireaaly don't thin anyone was chasing her. Police should have turned her to health care professionals. I think she had a mental brakedown.
@@principecaprincipeca2243 Based on what? She has NO History of any mental illness! Because the roommates say so? Because it's strange behavior to climb through a window? I think she may have ran through the alley and went in through the window to avoid them knowing where she lived or to not fiddle around looking for her house keys.
This case sounds similar to the Katelyn Louder case. Weird phone calls, roommates attesting to weird behavior, possible psychotic break, leaving the house in clothing not suitable for the weather conditions, being found in water????
All psychotic episodes aren't scizophrenia. First psychosis can come out of blue. If her father was coming to get her and she was in her right mind, she wouldn't have gone in to hide. She was obviously scared and it was real to her. Was her phone found? Did she have it with her?
This case seemed off to me from the very beginning. I hope her family finds the answers they so desperately need. My thoughts and my heart go out to them ❤
I remember seeing this case covered by someone else months ago. I was not aware her body has been found. So sad. I'm kind of not surprised her legs were missing, if her body was in the water a long time. They could have naturally separated from her body some time after death due to decomposition and the water moving her around, and creatures in the water eating at them.
anyone else finds it weird that the voicemail to her mom went from ‚omggg i love you so much‘ *crying* to ‚so yeah can i get a ticket‘ *completely seriously and not crying* ???????
My friend in High School and after for a few years. Rest In Peace Holly. We all hoped until the day you were found you would still be with us by any small chance.🤍
I had been following her case, but after she was found, I haven't heard anything else. Listening to her vm again here, it makes me feel like she knew she wasn't going to make it home, or be around much longer at all. Very painful to hear it in her voice😢🙏
Good Morning Everyone, We have received the final documents from the Coroner's office and the detailed reports from the pathology team. Please, share our thanks far and wide. Without you, we would never have been able to accomplish all that we did. As always, my DM's are open if you have further information or if you were/are part of the team and need to talk. Below, you will find Dave's final statement regarding the death of his daughter, Holly Clark. "Holly is gone. That is what matters most and is hardest for her family and her friends. To find her and bring her back to us we put in all the effort we could and a lot of you reading this did too. For that, thank you. Across the country and worldwide, we asked thousands of people that we didn’t know for their interest and their help and for the most part it was graciously given. If that was you, thank you. This was a huge collective effort. How Holly came to disappear and die remains a mystery. We requested a second autopsy from the Province of Ontario as some of the details around Holly and the state she was found in, were murky. We were graciously granted this by Dr. Pollanen who is the Chief Pathologist for the province. Thank you to Dr. Pollanen, his staff and the others who do this difficult work. The autopsies and multiple toxicology tests could not determine how or when Holly died. They also could not find trauma or injury which led to her death. None of the toxicology testing found any illegal drugs, recreational drugs or prescribed medications in her system at the time of her death. We believe, now, that her death was most likely an accident brought on by part of an effort to heal herself. Holly was not fearless, but was extremely brave and she had recently been known to take part in cold plunges in glacial water. When faced with the question of how she might have ended up in the lake in the winter without any evidence of trauma, we have to consider the possibility that she may have gotten into it herself - she might have taken a plunge to attempt to clear her tumultuous mind. In addition Holly was a beginner practitioner of “Wim Hof breathing” which is used both as a meditative technique and as a way of keeping one’s body warm under extremely cold conditions. Unfortunately any hyperventilation technique - such as Wim Hof breathing - can lead to a loss of consciousness and drowning if it is combined with breath-holding underwater. If Holly had been keeping warm with her breathing, then jumped in the water and held her breath, she could easily have passed out before she knew that she needed to breathe. Or maybe she was taken by aliens and her death is an elaborate hoax. The point is that we are only speculating - way out on a limb. We don’t know. We may never know. If you do have information that you think we need, please pass it along through Elle McFearsin. Any and all information that may be helpful, would be greatly appreciated. This will be the last statement from our family as we begin the process of healing from this immeasurable loss. I thank you in advance for respecting our privacy at this time. For an elongated version of this release with more details, you will find it here: www.hollyclarkdeepbight.ca Because this was such a collective effort, I cannot presume to offer thanks from the whole team, but thanks from the family to all of you for all your care and support. Thank you to Elle and SL for buffering us from all of the details that are so hard to hear and to bear. Forever grateful, The Ellsworth-Clark Family 💜
Give you 1000% that its true! People are too quick to dismiss more obvious reasons for why a person may be acting a certain way..Sloan Bella, a brilliant psychic / metaphysicist picked up on a man ,dining with Holly at a nearby restaurant, before she went missing ..then, she picked up on the same guy plus his partner/friend, chasing Holly ! I, as a very powerful empath, picked up on Holly's energy being in distress and it wasnt caused by anything mental ...more of a spiritual type thing..
@@66hoodwitch Yeah...the same “brilliant psychic” also “picked up” (among other things) that she was shipped in a container out of Ontario and that she was still alive.
@@66hoodwitch that's quite the claim considering I can give you a list of names of people acting the exact same as her that ended up dead or still missing with no signs of foul play. Elisa Lam Cindy James Lars Mittank Emma Fillipoff Kayelyn Louder
Hey Rachel, thanks for covering the case. This is my city, Hamilton. My mom organized a memorial for her, actually. We’re all pretty perplexed about this case, and can’t understand how her body wasn’t found considering it was just north at the water from where she was last seen.
Where about where was her body located? I'm wondering what is up stream from that location. Maybe she was dumped in one spot and then her body floated/drifted to where it was found
It’s unclear to me if there was an investigation of the ex, the band mates, and the roommates? I think assuming she had some kind of mental break is a huge assumption. And what about these 2 men chasing her, were they strange men or someone known to her? Hmm troubling . With her body so decomposed how can they say there was no foul play? Her legs were gone!(Btw , honey ,Maybe you should get a big dog. I know mine really makes me feel safe. Dogs afford a great deal of protection,in part simply that predators look for easier pray, I hate to think of you so frightened .) I can’t help it the mom in me wants you to be safe! 🤓🙏🏼💕
it's not a huge assumption. She was in the water for months it's expected her legs would separate from her body. She was also acting the exact same as Elisa Lam, Cindy James, Lars Mittank, Emma Fillipoff and Kayelyn Louder just to name a few. These people all ended up dead. All said they were being followed. None of them were actually being followed.
How do you know they weren't being followed? People have already said where Holly was in is a bad area. Marilyn Bergeron, also in Canada, was almost identical to this. She is still missing.
My 2 dogs make me feel safer than any lock or alarm system ever could. The fact is most people wont be stupid enough to commit crimes inside a home with a barking dog(s)
Your story about how you reacted to the person at your door is 100% me and how I act with these things. 😹 In all seriousness, this is such a sad story. It’s a really good point that anxiety and paranoia can get so bad when you’re all by yourself. 😞
I get why people think that somebody who has made plans for the future wouldn’t commit suicide but I just don’t think it’s true. Especially with depression your mood fluctuates so much and can go from one extreme to the other within hours. My friend seemed to finally be on the way up and then took her own life, completely unexpectedly in that moment.
Cases where people have some sort of mental break are so hard. Take Lars Mittank, he suffered some sort of psychotic breakdown and ran from an airport in Bulgaria in 2014, never to be seen again. Now we don't know if he is dead now, either murdered by the people he said were chasing him or succumbed to the elements etc. Or if he's still wondering around somewhere? If he is, has he snapped back to reality? Or is he still trapped in that state? I saw another comment on here about the fact that these people could possibly know people are looking for them, but because they are not particularly sane of mind, they freak out thinking people are AFTER them and not looking for them because they care. It's so scary and unfortunate for these individuals and their families x
I disagree. Sure she may have had some mental stressors, but she may very well have had two men following her- then it’s not really paranoia is it?? I don’t believe drugs were involved either. I believe she was grabbed and murdered. I only hope the truth comes to light and her family gets the answers they deserve.
As someone who spent 10 years in Hamilton Ontario this city is a sketchy shithole! There is no possible way to say it was mental illness or some phsyco trolling her. Sex trafficking is huge there as well as a huge homeless drug addicted population in this area!
I wonder if she smoked weed, that can trigger schizophrenia. She wasn't just paranoid, she kept saying she was being followed so she probably thought these people were coming for her and thats why she took off walking and just got too deep. Someone I know had something similar happen, they were schizophrenic from weed and thought the CIA was following him and he tried dousing himself in gas and lighting himself on fire. Luckily the police got to him and forced him into hospitalization and he's better now.
Rachel, I love listening to your videos, you tell these cases with such empathy and gentleness. I am from Hamilton and was involved in searches for Holly. There is a lot more to this case that you have left out. Hamilton has been known for some sketchy human trafficking and there is a large portion of this that involves a motel in Hamilton where trafficking is suspected but for some reason or another cannot be proved. Hollys parents were in Hamilton for several days with incidents going on at this hotel. The owner refused video surveillance and a lot went down there those few days. Another thing, her landlord refused to show video surveillance inside her home. The really was a lot more sketchiness going on and I truly believe she was being chased by 2 men. I don’t know where my beliefs are after she said she was chased but I do believe foul play was somehow involved… whether that brought her to her demise or she escaped somehow. I should also state that she practiced cold water immersion to relax her body so that may have something to do with it all. Anyway, thanx for covering her case, we had an entire city searching for her.
Even if symptoms of schizophrenia develop over a longer timeframe: drug induced psychosis can appear quickly after consuming even a small amount of pot
@@principecaprincipeca2243 I've actually never seen alcohol induced psychosis before, but I know a handful of people who have had these episodes from smoking weed. Could just be a coincidence though.
@@raquellefraser1637 and I have! My own mother , consistently ,for 35 years..I'm 38! Every single time she drinks! I smoke green, from time to time, and have NEVER had issues in fact, it slows down my nervous system and levels it out, so that I don't get anxiety !! Do your research, prior making such bold claims about something I guarantee you You've never even had.. UA-cam psychiatrist..🤦🏼♀️
@@66hoodwitch I wasn't making any claims just stating my own personal experience.. as are you. Just because we have different experiences doesn't mean u gotta get mad about it 😅 have another toke sis
I’m Originally From Hamilton and Followed this Case from Abroad. I Know that Area Very Well and Can Only Say That you’d Never go North on Wentworth Ave if You Know The Area as a Woman in Your Right Mind. It’s Dark & Dangerous at Night. Also there Was a Police Station near her Residence. I Appreciate Your Coverage, Update and Insights! God BlessYou! ❤️🇨🇦
I'm from hamilton too and would never go north on wentworth alone at night.. I know people who used to frequent the neighbourhood, and I gather that theres significant human trafficking and drug related crime that happens
@@Dreamtime-Walker I’m part of the same circle of friends she had in Toronto. Knowing everything I’ve heard about her, I really feel it was crime related and the police failed. Still think about it all the time :( I love her music and wish I could have met her. She was brilliant.
Rachel we missed you, welcome back. Not sure if there is foul play involved but it can't be ruled out. Hopefully Holly's second autopsy will reveal something.
Loving your look. Can't compliment just one thing because it's a total of so many. In other words girl ya got it going on. Not that you usually don't but there is just something extra popping here. Much Love 🧡
I've been following her case since John Lordan covered it on his channel after she first went missing. It was so sad & I really hoped for a positive outcome because she seemed like such an amazing person. I thought for sure it was a case of paranoia or something & hoped she just took off & would show up at her folks sometime. It's so sad to hear how she was found but I'm glad her family has closure as tragic as it is. I hope whom ever is responsible for her passing is brought to justice because I don't think this is a case of suicide or accident. Thank you for the update. I'm surprised more people haven't updated because most channels have covered her case. :(
🙋♀️ Rachel, just a thought, Holly preformed live... Maybe she meet someone who became a stalker & she was also on UTUBE.... Maybe this person didn't show any signs... Or someone from her past who she met... & she was being groomed... With kindness... 🇦🇺
For what reason? Nobody as come out with a reason someone would follow or chase her. And no-one seems to know she would have had a drug history either. I would love to know her phonen records. Was there any signs of a threat or drug business. Or anything shady in her phone history at all.
For what reason? Nobody as come out with a reason someone would follow or chase her. And no-one seems to know she would have had a drug history either. I would love to know her phonen records. Was there any signs of a threat or drug business. Or anything shady in her phone history at all.
This happened in my hometown, not too far from where Im living now. I love this city but some shady stuff happens here. I had so much hope for her being found but in my heart I knew she was gone. Wish I could have seen her sing.
I really think 2 men threatened her, she jumped in her window to avoid them seeing her front door, she called her family to leave.. I don’t know why she left. Maybe getting rid or donating of items she didn’t need after leaving.... but it doesn’t make sense that she left alone when she felt nervous
This case is so upsetting. The voicemail really gets to me.. I feel horrible for her parents. I lost my sister is 2015, but we know exactly what happened and saw it coming. Didn't make it easy, she was my best friend. But I can't imagine the not knowing part. Wondering if she was scared.. or in pain. My prayers are with her parents, her, & anyone who cared for her. She seemed like such a talented lovely girl.. PS. Did you dye your hair darker? It looks so beautiful & extra shiny. 😍😍
@@shanapowers3779 omg I'm so sorry girl. I'm pretty sure mine was too. It was an overdose. I found her her boss didn't even tell me she didn't come into work at 7 that morning till 7 that night and she knew she was using as well. That sucked pretty hard. So sorry for your loss.
As a licensed clinical psychologist: this seems like a clear case of psychosis. Psychosis can be a result of other disorders, but schizophrenia actually is not an uncommon diagnosis. 1% is not particularly rare in our world.
As a recovering addict I can tell you it is entirely possible she could have been doing drugs and no one know. I did them for years and very few people knew much less new roommates who didn't know her well. And her behavior sounds alot like drug induced psychosis
I really thought she was being followed & that she used her camping background to just go off grid. I thought it was odd that she didn't reach out to family but may have (rightly or not) thought that could endanger them. But that was before her body was found. I don't think an accident is likely. I just don't know if it was homicide or suicide. I don't see paranoid schizophrenia, at all, but if she had her own room warning signs could have been missed. My husband has it. He might wake me half a dozen times because he saw a car drive by twice & every sound is a threat, he's constantly checking the bedroom blinds. I wouldn't know if I didn’t share the bedroom.
So when her roommates called the police and they spoke to her, the only conclusions I can see them coming to are : she was chased by two men all night through the woods, or she was losing her mind. How could leaving and doing nothing possibly be the action they took in that situation?
Honestly her behavior sounds like either a schizophrenic type of episode or meth induced paranoia. I didnt become an addict until my 30s....and it was because of the people I had started hanging out with. Her roommates could have got her to try drugs which of course they wouldn't mention to the police....idk?
breaks my heart. im actually a flight attendant that flies from hamilton to edmonton, not calgary mind you but only a couple hours a part. I was flying those routes that week, so far fetched to think but I would have helped her if I knew her and knew she needed to get away.
The mental illness onset is a possibility but I feel like the roommates either have something to do with it or at least know more than they are saying. That's just me though.
My boyfriends family is from Hamilton, I will be there in a couple days for Christmas- for this reason I have felt drawn to this case since hearing about it a few months ago. I live only 3 hours from there and had never heard about her case until I seen it on UA-cam. It makes me so sad to know she was likely suffering alone and hardly anyone in the area / surrounding areas even knew what was going on. Maybe if more people knew they would have been watching for her. I don’t know.
From updates I’ve seen her family accepts the second coroners results as accidental. Her father said on his fb that to clear her mind Holly would sometimes do cold plunges in the water to help her mental state. They accept that she got in the water herself and the drowning was accidental.
So, this case vaguely reminds me of the Emma Fillipoff case. The details don’t match up perfectly and granted the differences definitely outnumber the similarities however the few similarities that *are* there kind of struck me. I’m sure that the two cases are wholly unrelated but I thought it was an observation worth sharing.
I remember a case where a woman was assaulted & went missing after (she told the people in her life) but she was not the same after. This could have happened to Holly. That sudden change in tone on the voicemail really threw me off. If she wasn’t in the right state of mind maybe she made a split second decision to go before her dad got her but at the same time if she was in the right stage of mind, how are we sure the accounts of her last moments are correct? Did anyone look into her roommates?
I feel like people underestimate how bad a psychotic break can be. I understand it’s easier to try and find other explanations like ‘somebody was maybe really following her’ but trust me when I say, people who experience the acute psychosis are absolutely SURE that it is real. To them it’s real, anyways. And I don’t agree when people say ‘stop blaming everything on mental illness’, rather it should be people with mental health problems should get more help and attention. It’s just like any other illness where you have to deal with it because if you don’t, it can become very dangerous. I’ve spoken to patients who have told me they had this inner voice telling them they need to go and lie down on train tracks and wait for the train but at some point realised what they were doing and chose to get up. However, sometimes you cannot beat that voice/drive/feel, call it however you want. And when that happens, you don’t get up. It’s really hard to see the signs, especially in loved ones, especially when they’re far away from you. Every person has a moment where they act strangely/are in a bad mood and so on. So it rarely occurs to onlookers that there might be something deeper going on and even if they might feel something’s strange, there aren’t many people whose first thought would be ‘it might be mental health issues’. People usually think someone’s in a bad mood, or something upsetting happened, because it’s more common and human nature never wants to assume the worst in the beginning. However, until people start seeing the signs, it might be too late, and people get this insane paranoia and leave and go missing :/
Rachel, I don't mean to keep telling you about Vanessa Guillen, I just want you to be the first one to do an update video, especially since you are my most favorite case researcher. Your videos are the very best in this area.
she was in the harbor for months. She had to be identified by dental records. A human body doesn't stay together when it's decomposing in water that long. If you're insinuating her legs were cut off that would be the easiest possible thing to discover during the autopsy.
@@jtarantula3390 well I think the most important thing to take into account is she was having a serious mental health crisis. The specifics of how she ended up in the water is far less of a factor in her overall fate. Unless she was able to be found it wasn't going to turn out well for her.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I am from Calgary where Holly is originally from. I am so grateful you covered this case and got her name out there. I appreciate True Crime UA-camrs covering Canadian Cases. THANK YOU
She was killed by the two men she was on the run from. She owed them money or wronged them in some way regarding illegal substances and they dumped her body in the lake. I pray her family gets the answers they seek. Holly is at peace, but she wants her family to find peace as well.
Regarding the mental episode ... this could be the BIGGER episode. Most patients are the only ones who observe and endure the smaller symptoms on their own. Also, many patients go thru episodes based on drug use. Psychosis for instance. Was she using? Also, who WAS SHE WITH for those months? For us to have some clue as to the end of her life ... we need to know where she was and who she was with.
I’m not trying to stereotype but I’ve dealt with two venues and booking band, both professional famous bands and small hometown band. I can probably count on my fingers the number of people that didn’t do some type of drug or drugs. I’m not saying this is the case but it is a possible scenario. People around drug users don’t necessarily know this is going on.
Sounds like she had some form of Bipolar disorder. I have it, my mom and both my siblings do as well and on that voicemail she sounded just like my sister does during one of her episodes. During extreme episodes people are known to seek out bodies of water as well. Its hard to explain and relate to if you have never experienced it before but its like they call to you. When you are drowning in your life of depression and extreme anxiety and you are standing next to a deep body of water you know that just under the surface its quiet and peaceful, and none of your issues can follow you and you'll be safe from them forever if you just take that one last step.
Every time I hear the voicemail it gets me each time. Just how she went from crying about wanting to come home then her whole tone changes. She definitely wasn’t in a good head space.
You are right. Speaking from experience, getting the courage to make the call takes a lot energy. Knowing you are reaching out to a loved one brings your heart into your throat. You get your message out and it is a relief. You feel exhausted and more calm.
I was curious 2 hear If she had Anything in her system CUZ this behavior is EXACTLY like my brother used 2 be when he would do meth. Even DAYS after he would be SOOO PARANOID that people were following him hed ask me 2 take his phone up the street and turn it off and come back. He had Pychosis and he LITERALLY JUMPED in the water with All his stuff and phone on him 1 day cus he thought some1 was chasing him. Not saying She DEF wasnt being followed But that voicemail gave me CHILLS cuz hed do the same thing 2. He get like SUPER EMOTIONAL mad quick and cry for like NO REASON. Also with the drug use angle she coulda been being followed but with How she just left the house? I'd say it's more likely she was having a mental break and willingly jumped in the water 2 get away from who she thought was some1 after her. VERY SAD.
Agree. But as we know Lars Mittank was about to get to the plane to go home, but he suddenly ran away to never been seen again, so you never know. Mittank is known to have meental issues and had been drinking for days,, so it was a bit different case tho. Holly didn't have known mental issues or known to have abused alcohol or drugs.
Is that ad about an affordable pair of glasses, is that something new in the US? I've bought my glasses like this in the last 25 years I live here.. ❤️🇳🇱
She filled the garbage bag with something heavy and that’s what she used to kill herself. Classic case of primary schizophrenic break. So sad and equally as sad how much the coverage of this case seems to be trying to hide that, just speaks to how stigmatized mental illness still is 💔
Such a sad case of yet another beautiful young woman meeting an untimely&unexplained death 😢💔😢 Just an opinion...I think something DID happen to her that original night with the 2 guys chasing her, hence the reason she called her parents saying she wanted to come home. Perhaps after talking to her Dad, she relaxed a bit, let her guard down, &went for a walk to "clear her head", &those 2 guys got her (?). I'm no expert by any means, but it was my thought throughout the remainder of your Video after you said that in the first few minutes... (And not to be morbid, but if she was murdered&had been weighed down at the ankles in the water she was ultimately found in, due to decomposition, her legs could've detached as her body filled with gases, &ultimately rose to the surface.) Regardless, my heart breaks for the loss of this beautiful girl, &I hope her Family gets the answers they so desperately need. 💕❤💕
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I am not an expert in the field, but if she had a bad hallucinogenic drug trip it may have thrown off her brain chemistry🤷♀️. It’s also possible someone really did follow her “ just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean people are not following you “
This only my theory nothing but respect here. You reported everytime she moved in with roommates for band purposes it seems evey situation she got in fell through. MAYBE this was the start of schizophrenia..It was stated schizophrenia outbreaks starts small then gets worse. Its not often that a young pretty college student would move and change directions that many times. Yes roommates situations don't work out. But for her to have this happen that many times is a red flag to me. Once she decided to focus on herself and her music, being lonely really digging deep maybe hit spot and it triggered her big outbreak, suddenly 2 men started chasing her, breaking her window to get in? Definitely think she had schizophrenic break and seeing the missing person picture looking and just walking past it, her mind didn't register..anxiety and depression really wouldn't have you so mentally messed up that you can't realize people are looking for you totally different. If she met with foul play the autopsy MAYBE would have seen some type of trauma. Her dad positively identified her 100% walking with garbage bags. He has known her since birth raised her and watched her grow. I believe the women in the cctv was her. She was focusing on the 2 men following her and had her mind completely consumed. IF she was having a schizophrenia break she may have completely blocked out her dad coming and waa just walking around mindlessly and hiding until she ended up in the lake probably hiding and an accident happened. Rip Hollly beautiful girl.
As someone who lives in Hamilton and also participated in the searches for Holly, I can’t thank you enough for covering this case. ❤️ This case still completely baffles our entire city, and we all just want some real answers.
So, normally people with schizophrenia slowly decline, but not always. My daughters will go from well to in the ER in 4 days. It is not always a gradual decline. Also, all mental illnesses can be severe enough to cause psychosis. Also, clinical depression/Bipolar disorder do not need anything happening to cause these disorders. She could have just gotten sick.
Hey Rachel, you are the most respectful and genuine advocate for these poor devils. There is no fronting with you and you really do care about the forgotten and victims/survivors of these cases. You must have a very compassionate and empathetic heart. You stand up to societies bullies and lead by example. You, Rachel, will go on to help and comfort many. Our world will be better having you doctor our hurt and broken. I bet your family is very proud of you.
You are a good speaker. You don't make any pauses while speaking and It makes your videos much more enjoyable to watch.
Rachel, I live in Hamilton, Ontario and I am originally from Edmonton, Alberta (4 hours North of Calgary) This case hits home with me. Hamilton can be a very dangerous place comparing this to Edmonton. You left out a VERY crucial part. She was believed to have been seen at The Budget Inn which is well known for Drug Addicts, Prostitution and Hamilton Finest Criminals. The Police were called and as far as I know the Police would not go in because they didn't have a search warrant. I think the Hamilton Police has done a terrible job and an injustice to Holly and her parents.
My boyfriend and I were one of the very first people to have been approached with her missing persons flyer. We both asked for a few to distribute at our apartment buildings.
I believe she was a victim of foul play. I think there were two men chasing her. I think they caught her, kept her at the Budget Inn. I think they got spooked because of the publicity and did something to her. It wasn't long after the Budget Inn incident that there was a Human Trafficking Bust in Toronto.
I was approached just in August by a tall bald man at Tim Horton's in the afternoon. This man approached me and demanded my phone. I declined. He said he was going to behead me and take me out to the woods etc. I am still scared now. In fact, I am shaking while trying to write this. There was more to all what happened including him getting in my friends face and threatening him. I was not even a threat to him. I was sitting on my Walker for ffs. He approached me. It's not far fetched to think she was followed at all.
Right now, there is a man pretending to be an "Uber Driver" giving free rides and then assaulting them sexually. The Police do not make this a huge deal because the stabbings and shootings take more priority I guess! Like I said, Hamilton is dangerous!
Woah thank you for sharing this!
woah, im so sorry you had to go through that! also, thank you for sharing some more "word on the street" info and overlook. i think your theory is VERY plausible. maybe, she got involved with drugs, specifically meth will make you paranoid. and it had led to so many bad ending. keep me updated in theae comments tho is you hear any new speculations or case updates please. this video hit pretty close to me as well
Another Hamiltonian here! The police did end up going in and searching the Budget Inn.
@@reviewsbyandrea OH I was told they couldn't go in and search the rooms. Thank you for letting me know that!
@@lacimccullough6602 Watch Lordon Arts and I think Kendall Rae both did a video about Holly.
There was another thing too. She was expecting guests that night for some type of get together that she bought the food for. She was definitely expected back.
My theory on the bag is that it may have been laundry! Maybe she went to the laundromat. I am not familiar with that area even though I live in this city.
Oh, also I'm the exact same way. I literally NEVER answer my door unless I'm expecting someone and I'm a psycho about the doors being locked and bolted no matter the time of day. I seriously freak out everytime someone knocks on the door. I think it's from past trauma and generalized anxiety disorder. Plus I watch so much true crime it's taught me to be extra vigilant!
Same, though without the trauma. My parents just always pounded it into my head to keep everything locked at all times, and I'm just generally antisocial and don't like answering the door.
You don’t get a lot of chances to be safe. I’m sorry your vigilance comes from trauma, but it’s good you stay safe.
@@NikkiFCO oh absolutely. I'm glad I'm so focused on safety. It's definitely for the best.
Lots of cases recently, where suspects pretend to be a delivery guy.
@@marvblackwood3327 seriously. It's terrifying, the things that happen all the time. And so many people never think it'll happen to them. So sad.
I had so much hope for her. I think in those cases, sometimes it’s not the best to announce missing people directly, if they’re in distress and disoriented, then having ppl looking for them publicly might consolidate that and freak them out.
I did too, I followed the case from almost the beginning. It gripped me, it was so heartbreaking.
As someone who suffers mental illness and has had abuse in relationships, I must say the way you discuss mental illness is very heart touching and understanding ❤️🙏🏼
God bless you
Is it just me or is it weird that she was crying at the start of the voicemail and by the end she was like "so can you help out by buying me a ticket, that would be greatly appreciated" in such a calm voice? Very strange.
To me, it sounded like she called in a panic but was able to collect herself and calm down by the end of it
this is the main peice of info that made me think of drugs, especially meth. maybe she was taking part in experimentation and it just went bad. ive heard so many sad story's without happy endings involving drugs.
I cry and then talk normal when I am having a full blown anxiety attack!
@@lacimccullough6602 I cry and then talk normal when I am having a full blown anxiety attack! I have never done any type of illegal drugs except MJ in my teen years. I am pushing 50 soon!
Yes, i thought maybe someone had walked in or passed her as she was leaving the voicemail and she tried to compose herself or maybe she was outside but it was still kinda strange how she got herself together that quick
I live in Hamilton, this scares me 😩 poor girl. There are a lot of rough areas in Hamilton, which makes sense why there would be sketchy men chasing her. There are a lot of trails in Hamilton too by the water, and some accidents occur there where people slip and fall into the water... she could've slipped into the water and hit her head somehow.
Being from Calgary, Alberta myself this case is very very heartbreaking🥺😭
this is very much like the case of Emma Filipoff! Paranoid, and also had a parent on their way to get her, and vanished before they arrived.
And both Canadian cases!
Yep that’s what brought me to hollys story
My sisters break happened in minutes. Fine one day, schizophrenic the next no signs whatsoever
The brain can turn on us at any moment. Hope you're sister gets the best treatment 💛
exactly! i had a psychotic episode that developed over a couple days, stressful situations can definitely induce episodes very quickly as well. there are also many types of psychotic disorders, you may have an episode and not even have schizophrenia
that voicemail was bone chilling & broke my heart 😭💔 but thank youuu for the upload i needed a good video to watch 💯❤️
This case eerily reminds me of Emma Fillipoff.
Me as well
Exactly what I thought!!
True and also reminds me of the case of Kaylelyn Louder. She was acting strangely too before she vanished.
The difference with Emma was her boyfriend was probably abusing her and threatening her, and the tried to get away. This case with Holly suddenly saying out of the blue someone was after her, acting strangely on the phone and then leaving on her own - is a bit more along the line that she left and then either met with foul play or died by her own hand/accidental drowning. I think she possibly had mental issues in the end. Sad.
Yes, that's what I just posted!
With that being said it’s a terrible part of that city; when I showed it to my boyfriend on the map (he’s from there) he said it’s very likely that she wasn’t imagining people chasing her... it’s quite believable.
agreed, it is a very dark part of the city.. I wish the police took human trafficking more seriously there
Why would she leave her house knowing her Dad was on his way to get her? It makes me wonder if her relationship with the roommates was as good as they made it out to be. All they have is their side of what was going on.
Yeah that struck me as odd. If she was afraid of people chasing her and didn't even want to go to the airport/fly by herself why would she go out walking by herself
Yeah it seems strange
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Practising, identified, I am the fault
That voicemail. 😭 💔
It’s heart breaking 😭
That tore my heart out. Poor girl.
It breaks my heart that no one listened to it for weeks.
@@CMinorOp67 exactly. That's the most depressing part of all this in my opinion.
I’ve wondered if she hid somewhere (from the men who were chasing her) and starved or froze to death, or if she jumped in the water trying to get away from someone whom she thought was chasing her and drowned. Whatever happened to her, this is a terribly sad case and I hate it for her family. 😞
I’m glad her roommates called the police when she talked about the two men. So often in these cases people around the victims hear or see very concerning or suspicious things but they just brush it off
Honestly I'd rather call the police and it end up being a misunderstanding than not call the police and have something bad happen.
The roommates didn't call the Police because of the men chasing her, They called because they thought she was having a mental breakdown of some sort. IF the incident had been taken seriously, perhaps they would have caught them and she would still be alive!
@@katrinagraham7615Ireaaly don't thin anyone was chasing her. Police should have turned her to health care professionals. I think she had a mental brakedown.
@@principecaprincipeca2243 Based on what? She has NO History of any mental illness! Because the roommates say so? Because it's strange behavior to climb through a window? I think she may have ran through the alley and went in through the window to avoid them knowing where she lived or to not fiddle around looking for her house keys.
This case sounds similar to the Katelyn Louder case. Weird phone calls, roommates attesting to weird behavior, possible psychotic break, leaving the house in clothing not suitable for the weather conditions, being found in water????
YES!
Yeah!! Good point!!
Yes and she looks kinda like her too.
All psychotic episodes aren't scizophrenia. First psychosis can come out of blue. If her father was coming to get her and she was in her right mind, she wouldn't have gone in to hide. She was obviously scared and it was real to her. Was her phone found? Did she have it with her?
This case seemed off to me from the very beginning. I hope her family finds the answers they so desperately need. My thoughts and my heart go out to them ❤
Finally a good video for me to watch today!!! Thank you so much for uploading and being so respectful
I usually don't like true crime too much but your videos are just very thorough which makes them very interesting.
I remember seeing this case covered by someone else months ago. I was not aware her body has been found. So sad. I'm kind of not surprised her legs were missing, if her body was in the water a long time. They could have naturally separated from her body some time after death due to decomposition and the water moving her around, and creatures in the water eating at them.
Although the ME should be able to say whether the were sliced, ripped or decayed - very different mechanisms of injury. They need more answers.
OH MY GOD I did not realize she had been found!! Poor baby. Many prayers for healing for her family. :-(
anyone else finds it weird that the voicemail to her mom went from ‚omggg i love you so much‘ *crying* to ‚so yeah can i get a ticket‘ *completely seriously and not crying* ???????
I thougt the same!
No
I think its more weird that all she obviously wanted was her mom yet her mom didn't listen to the voicemail for months. That's depressing af...
My friend in High School and after for a few years. Rest In Peace Holly. We all hoped until the day you were found you would still be with us by any small chance.🤍
This sorry is heartbreaking but you did such a great job with it
I had been following her case, but after she was found, I haven't heard anything else. Listening to her vm again here, it makes me feel like she knew she wasn't going to make it home, or be around much longer at all. Very painful to hear it in her voice😢🙏
Yes, I agree. The way she said over and over how much she loved them - heartbreaking!
Good Morning Everyone,
We have received the final documents from the Coroner's office and the detailed reports from the pathology team. Please, share our thanks far and wide. Without you, we would never have been able to accomplish all that we did. As always, my DM's are open if you have further information or if you were/are part of the team and need to talk.
Below, you will find Dave's final statement regarding the death of his daughter, Holly Clark.
"Holly is gone. That is what matters most and is hardest for her family and her friends. To find her and bring her back to us we put in all the effort we could and a lot of you reading this did too.
For that, thank you.
Across the country and worldwide, we asked thousands of people that we didn’t know for their interest and their help and for the most part it was graciously given. If that was you, thank you. This was a huge collective effort.
How Holly came to disappear and die remains a mystery.
We requested a second autopsy from the Province of Ontario as some of the details around Holly and the state she was found in, were murky. We were graciously granted this by Dr. Pollanen who is the Chief Pathologist for the province. Thank you to Dr. Pollanen, his staff and the others who do this difficult work.
The autopsies and multiple toxicology tests could not determine how or when Holly died. They also could not find trauma or injury which led to her death. None of the toxicology testing found any illegal drugs, recreational drugs or prescribed medications in her system at the time of her death.
We believe, now, that her death was most likely an accident brought on by part of an effort to heal herself. Holly was not fearless, but was extremely brave and she had recently been known to take part in cold plunges in glacial water. When faced with the question of how she might have ended up in the lake in the winter without any evidence of trauma, we have to consider the possibility that she may have gotten into it herself - she might have taken a plunge to attempt to clear her tumultuous mind. In addition Holly was a beginner practitioner of “Wim Hof breathing” which is used both as a meditative technique and as a way of keeping one’s body warm under extremely cold conditions. Unfortunately any hyperventilation technique - such as Wim Hof breathing - can lead to a loss of consciousness and drowning if it is combined with breath-holding underwater. If Holly had been keeping warm with her breathing, then jumped in the water and held her breath, she could easily have passed out before she knew that she needed to breathe.
Or maybe she was taken by aliens and her death is an elaborate hoax. The point is that we are only speculating - way out on a limb. We don’t know. We may never know.
If you do have information that you think we need, please pass it along through Elle McFearsin. Any and all information that may be helpful, would be greatly appreciated.
This will be the last statement from our family as we begin the process of healing from this immeasurable loss. I thank you in advance for respecting our privacy at this time. For an elongated version of this release with more details, you will find it here: www.hollyclarkdeepbight.ca
Because this was such a collective effort, I cannot presume to offer thanks from the whole team, but thanks from the family to all of you for all your care and support. Thank you to Elle and SL for buffering us from all of the details that are so hard to hear and to bear.
Forever grateful,
The Ellsworth-Clark Family 💜
Your lip color makes your eyes really pop.
She reminds me of a porcelain doll.
Her eyes just pop anyway! What a beautiful young lady, and so intelligent.
@@primesspct2 ikr, so beautiful
Those nails♥️
Or maybe: She was telling the truth and someone WAS following her.
Give you 1000% that its true! People are too quick to dismiss more obvious reasons for why a person may be acting a certain way..Sloan Bella, a brilliant psychic / metaphysicist picked up on a man ,dining with Holly at a nearby restaurant, before she went missing ..then, she picked up on the same guy plus his partner/friend, chasing Holly ! I, as a very powerful empath, picked up on Holly's energy being in distress and it wasnt caused by anything mental ...more of a spiritual type thing..
@@66hoodwitch Yeah...the same “brilliant psychic” also “picked up” (among other things) that she was shipped in a container out of Ontario and that she was still alive.
@@66hoodwitch this is a serious discussion - no need to cloudy the water with psychic foolishness
@@66hoodwitch that's quite the claim considering I can give you a list of names of people acting the exact same as her that ended up dead or still missing with no signs of foul play.
Elisa Lam
Cindy James
Lars Mittank
Emma Fillipoff
Kayelyn Louder
Watching from France 🇫🇷..
Love your channel
Hey Rachel, thanks for covering the case. This is my city, Hamilton. My mom organized a memorial for her, actually. We’re all pretty perplexed about this case, and can’t understand how her body wasn’t found considering it was just north at the water from where she was last seen.
Bless your hearts
Where about where was her body located? I'm wondering what is up stream from that location. Maybe she was dumped in one spot and then her body floated/drifted to where it was found
Yes thank you for this upload
It’s unclear to me if there was an investigation of the ex, the band mates, and the roommates? I think assuming she had some kind of mental break is a huge assumption. And what about these 2 men chasing her, were they strange men or someone known to her? Hmm troubling . With her body so decomposed how can they say there was no foul play? Her legs were gone!(Btw , honey ,Maybe you should get a big dog. I know mine really makes me feel safe.
Dogs afford a great deal of protection,in part simply that predators look for easier pray, I hate to think of you so frightened .) I can’t help it the mom in me wants you to be safe! 🤓🙏🏼💕
it's not a huge assumption. She was in the water for months it's expected her legs would separate from her body. She was also acting the exact same as Elisa Lam, Cindy James, Lars Mittank, Emma Fillipoff and Kayelyn Louder just to name a few. These people all ended up dead. All said they were being followed. None of them were actually being followed.
How do you know they weren't being followed? People have already said where Holly was in is a bad area. Marilyn Bergeron, also in Canada, was almost identical to this. She is still missing.
My 2 dogs make me feel safer than any lock or alarm system ever could. The fact is most people wont be stupid enough to commit crimes inside a home with a barking dog(s)
Your story about how you reacted to the person at your door is 100% me and how I act with these things. 😹
In all seriousness, this is such a sad story. It’s a really good point that anxiety and paranoia can get so bad when you’re all by yourself. 😞
This hair color makes your eyes pop! Beautiful
I get why people think that somebody who has made plans for the future wouldn’t commit suicide but I just don’t think it’s true. Especially with depression your mood fluctuates so much and can go from one extreme to the other within hours. My friend seemed to finally be on the way up and then took her own life, completely unexpectedly in that moment.
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@Karen Soo thank you, I appreciate that!
Cases where people have some sort of mental break are so hard. Take Lars Mittank, he suffered some sort of psychotic breakdown and ran from an airport in Bulgaria in 2014, never to be seen again. Now we don't know if he is dead now, either murdered by the people he said were chasing him or succumbed to the elements etc. Or if he's still wondering around somewhere? If he is, has he snapped back to reality? Or is he still trapped in that state? I saw another comment on here about the fact that these people could possibly know people are looking for them, but because they are not particularly sane of mind, they freak out thinking people are AFTER them and not looking for them because they care. It's so scary and unfortunate for these individuals and their families x
The girl found dead on the beach in Scotland was believed to have been murdered, with her phones and email hacked into and erased
This is a sad case of paranoid schizophrenia, she had early signs and this is one of those cases where it came on quite quickly
Agree.
Sure..let's make everything about a mental issue ...as if nothing and no other causes are in existence ...smh, UA-cam psychiatrist 🤦🏼♀️
@@66hoodwitch More like Occam's razor 🤷
I disagree. Sure she may have had some mental stressors, but she may very well have had two men following her- then it’s not really paranoia is it?? I don’t believe drugs were involved either. I believe she was grabbed and murdered. I only hope the truth comes to light and her family gets the answers they deserve.
As someone who spent 10 years in Hamilton Ontario this city is a sketchy shithole! There is no possible way to say it was mental illness or some phsyco trolling her. Sex trafficking is huge there as well as a huge homeless drug addicted population in this area!
I wonder if she smoked weed, that can trigger schizophrenia. She wasn't just paranoid, she kept saying she was being followed so she probably thought these people were coming for her and thats why she took off walking and just got too deep. Someone I know had something similar happen, they were schizophrenic from weed and thought the CIA was following him and he tried dousing himself in gas and lighting himself on fire. Luckily the police got to him and forced him into hospitalization and he's better now.
Thanks for the video Rachel, you look adorable today!
Rachel, I love listening to your videos, you tell these cases with such empathy and gentleness. I am from Hamilton and was involved in searches for Holly. There is a lot more to this case that you have left out. Hamilton has been known for some sketchy human trafficking and there is a large portion of this that involves a motel in Hamilton where trafficking is suspected but for some reason or another cannot be proved. Hollys parents were in Hamilton for several days with incidents going on at this hotel. The owner refused video surveillance and a lot went down there those few days. Another thing, her landlord refused to show video surveillance inside her home. The really was a lot more sketchiness going on and I truly believe she was being chased by 2 men. I don’t know where my beliefs are after she said she was chased but I do believe foul play was somehow involved… whether that brought her to her demise or she escaped somehow. I should also state that she practiced cold water immersion to relax her body so that may have something to do with it all. Anyway, thanx for covering her case, we had an entire city searching for her.
Even if symptoms of schizophrenia develop over a longer timeframe: drug induced psychosis can appear quickly after consuming even a small amount of pot
Oh, please. Alcohol induces more often psychosis than pot.Did she have drugs in her system in the autopsy?
@@principecaprincipeca2243 I've actually never seen alcohol induced psychosis before, but I know a handful of people who have had these episodes from smoking weed. Could just be a coincidence though.
@@principecaprincipeca2243 exactly !
@@raquellefraser1637 and I have! My own mother , consistently ,for 35 years..I'm 38! Every single time she drinks! I smoke green, from time to time, and have NEVER had issues in fact, it slows down my nervous system and levels it out, so that I don't get anxiety !! Do your research, prior making such bold claims about something I guarantee you You've never even had.. UA-cam psychiatrist..🤦🏼♀️
@@66hoodwitch I wasn't making any claims just stating my own personal experience.. as are you. Just because we have different experiences doesn't mean u gotta get mad about it 😅 have another toke sis
I’m Originally From Hamilton and Followed this Case from Abroad. I Know that Area Very Well and Can Only Say That you’d Never go North on Wentworth Ave if You Know The Area as a Woman in Your Right Mind. It’s Dark & Dangerous at Night. Also there Was a Police Station near her Residence. I Appreciate Your Coverage, Update and Insights! God BlessYou! ❤️🇨🇦
I'm from hamilton too and would never go north on wentworth alone at night.. I know people who used to frequent the neighbourhood, and I gather that theres significant human trafficking and drug related crime that happens
@@JulesRules06 So Sad!😞 Her Body Was Found in the Lake with Legs Missing.
@@Dreamtime-Walker I’m part of the same circle of friends she had in Toronto. Knowing everything I’ve heard about her, I really feel it was crime related and the police failed. Still think about it all the time :( I love her music and wish I could have met her. She was brilliant.
Reminds me of the death of Kayelyn Louder. She was also in a state of paranoia before being found months later in a body of water.
I remember seeing Stephanie Harlowe's video on Holly earlier this year. Thanks for the update.
Rachel we missed you, welcome back. Not sure if there is foul play involved but it can't be ruled out. Hopefully Holly's second autopsy will reveal something.
Love your videos! So detailed and soft spoken☺️ I’m also from the Midwest and live in AZ 🌵 I hope AZ is treating you great 😊 have a wonderful day ☀️
Rachel, do the boys from Yuba city. It is a baffling mystery from the 1970s. It is the most interesting case to me.
Loving your look. Can't compliment just one thing because it's a total of so many. In other words girl ya got it going on. Not that you usually don't but there is just something extra popping here.
Much Love 🧡
I've been following her case since John Lordan covered it on his channel after she first went missing. It was so sad & I really hoped for a positive outcome because she seemed like such an amazing person. I thought for sure it was a case of paranoia or something & hoped she just took off & would show up at her folks sometime. It's so sad to hear how she was found but I'm glad her family has closure as tragic as it is. I hope whom ever is responsible for her passing is brought to justice because I don't think this is a case of suicide or accident. Thank you for the update. I'm surprised more people haven't updated because most channels have covered her case. :(
🙋♀️ Rachel, just a thought, Holly preformed live... Maybe she meet someone who became a stalker & she was also on UTUBE.... Maybe this person didn't show any signs... Or someone from her past who she met... & she was being groomed... With kindness... 🇦🇺
A nice video like always. I'm a fan of your channel. Nice content and good preparation. Keep going on
no ones mentioning really about the men chasing her? Maybe that was a true story. Drug related? Maybe someone was after her for some reason
For what reason? Nobody as come out with a reason someone would follow or chase her. And no-one seems to know she would have had a drug history either. I would love to know her phonen records. Was there any signs of a threat or drug business. Or anything shady in her phone history at all.
For what reason? Nobody as come out with a reason someone would follow or chase her. And no-one seems to know she would have had a drug history either. I would love to know her phonen records. Was there any signs of a threat or drug business. Or anything shady in her phone history at all.
This happened in my hometown, not too far from where Im living now. I love this city but some shady stuff happens here. I had so much hope for her being found but in my heart I knew she was gone. Wish I could have seen her sing.
I really think 2 men threatened her, she jumped in her window to avoid them seeing her front door, she called her family to leave.. I don’t know why she left. Maybe getting rid or donating of items she didn’t need after leaving.... but it doesn’t make sense that she left alone when she felt nervous
This case is so upsetting. The voicemail really gets to me.. I feel horrible for her parents. I lost my sister is 2015, but we know exactly what happened and saw it coming. Didn't make it easy, she was my best friend. But I can't imagine the not knowing part. Wondering if she was scared.. or in pain. My prayers are with her parents, her, & anyone who cared for her. She seemed like such a talented lovely girl..
PS. Did you dye your hair darker? It looks so beautiful & extra shiny. 😍😍
So sorry. I also lost my sister in 2015 it was an accident. I also couldnt imagine not knowing exactly what happened it would drive me crazy.
@@shanapowers3779 omg I'm so sorry girl. I'm pretty sure mine was too. It was an overdose. I found her her boss didn't even tell me she didn't come into work at 7 that morning till 7 that night and she knew she was using as well. That sucked pretty hard. So sorry for your loss.
Am watching two years later and watching on aug. 6th 2023. Enjoy your storytelling
As a licensed clinical psychologist: this seems like a clear case of psychosis. Psychosis can be a result of other disorders, but schizophrenia actually is not an uncommon diagnosis. 1% is not particularly rare in our world.
yes finally!! i’ve been waiting for someone to cover holly’s case 🤍 it broke the hearts of everyone in our area
Stephanie Harlow also covers this case if you’d like another perspective.😉
As a recovering addict I can tell you it is entirely possible she could have been doing drugs and no one know. I did them for years and very few people knew much less new roommates who didn't know her well. And her behavior sounds alot like drug induced psychosis
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I really thought she was being followed & that she used her camping background to just go off grid. I thought it was odd that she didn't reach out to family but may have (rightly or not) thought that could endanger them. But that was before her body was found. I don't think an accident is likely. I just don't know if it was homicide or suicide.
I don't see paranoid schizophrenia, at all, but if she had her own room warning signs could have been missed. My husband has it. He might wake me half a dozen times because he saw a car drive by twice & every sound is a threat, he's constantly checking the bedroom blinds. I wouldn't know if I didn’t share the bedroom.
So when her roommates called the police and they spoke to her, the only conclusions I can see them coming to are : she was chased by two men all night through the woods, or she was losing her mind. How could leaving and doing nothing possibly be the action they took in that situation?
Honestly her behavior sounds like either a schizophrenic type of episode or meth induced paranoia. I didnt become an addict until my 30s....and it was because of the people I had started hanging out with. Her roommates could have got her to try drugs which of course they wouldn't mention to the police....idk?
Was the woman who was spotted in business cameras looking similar to her but with different clothing her or we don't know or most likely not ?
breaks my heart. im actually a flight attendant that flies from hamilton to edmonton, not calgary mind you but only a couple hours a part. I was flying those routes that week, so far fetched to think but I would have helped her if I knew her and knew she needed to get away.
The mental illness onset is a possibility but I feel like the roommates either have something to do with it or at least know more than they are saying. That's just me though.
My boyfriends family is from Hamilton, I will be there in a couple days for Christmas- for this reason I have felt drawn to this case since hearing about it a few months ago. I live only 3 hours from there and had never heard about her case until I seen it on UA-cam. It makes me so sad to know she was likely suffering alone and hardly anyone in the area / surrounding areas even knew what was going on. Maybe if more people knew they would have been watching for her. I don’t know.
From updates I’ve seen her family accepts the second coroners results as accidental. Her father said on his fb that to clear her mind Holly would sometimes do cold plunges in the water to help her mental state. They accept that she got in the water herself and the drowning was accidental.
So, this case vaguely reminds me of the Emma Fillipoff case. The details don’t match up perfectly and granted the differences definitely outnumber the similarities however the few similarities that *are* there kind of struck me. I’m sure that the two cases are wholly unrelated but I thought it was an observation worth sharing.
I found out about her death today and honestly it is so shocking. I was sure she'd be found alive. So sad. Condolences to her family and friends!
I remember a case where a woman was assaulted & went missing after (she told the people in her life) but she was not the same after. This could have happened to Holly.
That sudden change in tone on the voicemail really threw me off. If she wasn’t in the right state of mind maybe she made a split second decision to go before her dad got her but at the same time if she was in the right stage of mind, how are we sure the accounts of her last moments are correct? Did anyone look into her roommates?
I feel like people underestimate how bad a psychotic break can be. I understand it’s easier to try and find other explanations like ‘somebody was maybe really following her’ but trust me when I say, people who experience the acute psychosis are absolutely SURE that it is real. To them it’s real, anyways. And I don’t agree when people say ‘stop blaming everything on mental illness’, rather it should be people with mental health problems should get more help and attention. It’s just like any other illness where you have to deal with it because if you don’t, it can become very dangerous. I’ve spoken to patients who have told me they had this inner voice telling them they need to go and lie down on train tracks and wait for the train but at some point realised what they were doing and chose to get up. However, sometimes you cannot beat that voice/drive/feel, call it however you want. And when that happens, you don’t get up.
It’s really hard to see the signs, especially in loved ones, especially when they’re far away from you. Every person has a moment where they act strangely/are in a bad mood and so on. So it rarely occurs to onlookers that there might be something deeper going on and even if they might feel something’s strange, there aren’t many people whose first thought would be ‘it might be mental health issues’. People usually think someone’s in a bad mood, or something upsetting happened, because it’s more common and human nature never wants to assume the worst in the beginning. However, until people start seeing the signs, it might be too late, and people get this insane paranoia and leave and go missing :/
I haven't seen you in a while! Love the new hair color btw! It looks really good.
Rachel, I don't mean to keep telling you about Vanessa Guillen, I just want you to be the first one to do an update video, especially since you are my most favorite case researcher. Your videos are the very best in this area.
I did a case update on Vanessa a few months ago!
@@RachelShannon their have been even more recent updates
@@RachelShannon 14 people in command positions have been fired and suspende since then because of this case and I wanted to let you know.
@@tjohn4398 woah oh my
"Her body was found to have no visable signs of trauma, but she was also found missing both of her legs.."
I wonder if it happened through decomposition, or if someone cut them off.
she was in the harbor for months. She had to be identified by dental records. A human body doesn't stay together when it's decomposing in water that long. If you're insinuating her legs were cut off that would be the easiest possible thing to discover during the autopsy.
@@BrodyYYC someone had mentioned that perhaps she had jumped and somehow got stuck in the mud. Sounds probable
@@jtarantula3390 well I think the most important thing to take into account is she was having a serious mental health crisis. The specifics of how she ended up in the water is far less of a factor in her overall fate. Unless she was able to be found it wasn't going to turn out well for her.
yes i was. thanks for correcting me. you are a wealth of knowledge. pity its split between all your forms.
What a great thing to wake up to! Thanks Rachel x
Reminds me of Emma Fillipoff of Victoria, BC
Hey Rachel!! Thanks for the updated video!! & I absolutely love love love ur hair dark like u have it now!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I am from Calgary where Holly is originally from. I am so grateful you covered this case and got her name out there. I appreciate True Crime UA-camrs covering Canadian Cases. THANK YOU
She was killed by the two men she was on the run from. She owed them money or wronged them in some way regarding illegal substances and they dumped her body in the lake. I pray her family gets the answers they seek. Holly is at peace, but she wants her family to find peace as well.
Wow your eyes are BEAUTIFUL
Regarding the mental episode ... this could be the BIGGER episode. Most patients are the only ones who observe and endure the smaller symptoms on their own. Also, many patients go thru episodes based on drug use. Psychosis for instance. Was she using? Also, who WAS SHE WITH for those months? For us to have some clue as to the end of her life ... we need to know where she was and who she was with.
Thank you for your input on this!!
I’m not trying to stereotype but I’ve dealt with two venues and booking band, both professional famous bands and small hometown band. I can probably count on my fingers the number of people that didn’t do some type of drug or drugs. I’m not saying this is the case but it is a possible scenario. People around drug users don’t necessarily know this is going on.
I live so close to Hamilton, not sure how I've never heard of this case. So sad.
When you read the comments and just know its gonna be an extra sad one😔
(Also you look gorgeous today, excited for another video!)
Sounds like she had some form of Bipolar disorder. I have it, my mom and both my siblings do as well and on that voicemail she sounded just like my sister does during one of her episodes. During extreme episodes people are known to seek out bodies of water as well. Its hard to explain and relate to if you have never experienced it before but its like they call to you. When you are drowning in your life of depression and extreme anxiety and you are standing next to a deep body of water you know that just under the surface its quiet and peaceful, and none of your issues can follow you and you'll be safe from them forever if you just take that one last step.
that doesn't explain why she thought she was being followed. I agree she was having a mental health crisis but it was more likely schizophrenia.
Every time I hear the voicemail it gets me each time. Just how she went from crying about wanting to come home then her whole tone changes. She definitely wasn’t in a good head space.
You are right. Speaking from experience, getting the courage to make the call takes a lot energy.
Knowing you are reaching out to a loved one brings your heart into your throat. You get your message out and it is a relief. You feel exhausted and more calm.
Train tracks and missing legs?🤔
I was curious 2 hear If she had Anything in her system CUZ this behavior is EXACTLY like my brother used 2 be when he would do meth. Even DAYS after he would be SOOO PARANOID that people were following him hed ask me 2 take his phone up the street and turn it off and come back. He had Pychosis and he LITERALLY JUMPED in the water with All his stuff and phone on him 1 day cus he thought some1 was chasing him. Not saying She DEF wasnt being followed But that voicemail gave me CHILLS cuz hed do the same thing 2. He get like SUPER EMOTIONAL mad quick and cry for like NO REASON. Also with the drug use angle she coulda been being followed but with How she just left the house? I'd say it's more likely she was having a mental break and willingly jumped in the water 2 get away from who she thought was some1 after her. VERY SAD.
If she called her dad to come get her, she wouldn't have taken off...
Agree. But as we know Lars Mittank was about to get to the plane to go home, but he suddenly ran away to never been seen again, so you never know. Mittank is known to have meental issues and had been drinking for days,, so it was a bit different case tho. Holly didn't have known mental issues or known to have abused alcohol or drugs.
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She filled the garbage bag with something heavy and that’s what she used to kill herself. Classic case of primary schizophrenic break. So sad and equally as sad how much the coverage of this case seems to be trying to hide that, just speaks to how stigmatized mental illness still is 💔
Such a sad case of yet another beautiful young woman meeting an untimely&unexplained death 😢💔😢 Just an opinion...I think something DID happen to her that original night with the 2 guys chasing her, hence the reason she called her parents saying she wanted to come home. Perhaps after talking to her Dad, she relaxed a bit, let her guard down, &went for a walk to "clear her head", &those 2 guys got her (?). I'm no expert by any means, but it was my thought throughout the remainder of your Video after you said that in the first few minutes... (And not to be morbid, but if she was murdered&had been weighed down at the ankles in the water she was ultimately found in, due to decomposition, her legs could've detached as her body filled with gases, &ultimately rose to the surface.) Regardless, my heart breaks for the loss of this beautiful girl, &I hope her Family gets the answers they so desperately need. 💕❤💕
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I am not an expert in the field, but if she had a bad hallucinogenic drug trip it may have thrown off her brain chemistry🤷♀️. It’s also possible someone really did follow her “ just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean people are not following you “
This only my theory nothing but respect here. You reported everytime she moved in with roommates for band purposes it seems evey situation she got in fell through. MAYBE this was the start of schizophrenia..It was stated schizophrenia outbreaks starts small then gets worse. Its not often that a young pretty college student would move and change directions that many times. Yes roommates situations don't work out. But for her to have this happen that many times is a red flag to me. Once she decided to focus on herself and her music, being lonely really digging deep maybe hit spot and it triggered her big outbreak, suddenly 2 men started chasing her, breaking her window to get in? Definitely think she had schizophrenic break and seeing the missing person picture looking and just walking past it, her mind didn't register..anxiety and depression really wouldn't have you so mentally messed up that you can't realize people are looking for you totally different. If she met with foul play the autopsy MAYBE would have seen some type of trauma. Her dad positively identified her 100% walking with garbage bags. He has known her since birth raised her and watched her grow. I believe the women in the cctv was her. She was focusing on the 2 men following her and had her mind completely consumed. IF she was having a schizophrenia break she may have completely blocked out her dad coming and waa just walking around mindlessly and hiding until she ended up in the lake probably hiding and an accident happened. Rip Hollly beautiful girl.
As someone who lives in Hamilton and also participated in the searches for Holly, I can’t thank you enough for covering this case. ❤️
This case still completely baffles our entire city, and we all just want some real answers.
So, normally people with schizophrenia slowly decline, but not always. My daughters will go from well to in the ER in 4 days. It is not always a gradual decline. Also, all mental illnesses can be severe enough to cause psychosis. Also, clinical depression/Bipolar disorder do not need anything happening to cause these disorders. She could have just gotten sick.
I was thinking on the huge amount hallucinetic, muchrooms,LSD and LOT Moré some poisens give as a side effekt hallucination.
Hey Rachel, you are the most respectful and genuine advocate for these poor devils. There is no fronting with you and you really do care about the forgotten and victims/survivors of these cases. You must have a very compassionate and empathetic heart. You stand up to societies bullies and lead by example. You, Rachel, will go on to help and comfort many. Our world will be better having you doctor our hurt and broken. I bet your family is very proud of you.