Why some Catalans want independence... and some don't - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2017
- Four people in Catalonia's capital city, Barcelona, tell us what it means to be Catalan - and why some people there want independence from Spain.
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The Canary Islands have even greater cultural differences from the average Spanish and dont claim independence.
Okay, not really a relevant point.
+blazednlovinit you mean "not relevant point because it doesnt support Independence"?
So what?
There is only one reason to a territory gain independence: The will of it's people.
Well to be honest. That's their problem. Not Catalonia's problem.
When Kosovo declared independence in 2008 (without UN approval and without referendum) BBC didn't have this kind of reporting. Same goes for Crimea
...so you reckon they should stop doing this kind of reporting then?
Russia rigged the referendum in Crimea. That is obvious. And Russia was using intimidation tactics against pro-Ukrainians.
Risbo Lensky fck Russia and Serbian propaganda
We in the UK hate the BBC well known biased reports.
Its funny to see all of those butthurt separatists in the comment section. 1) Centrist Philosopher Scotland referendum was rigged by Brits . 2) I would like for Kosovo to organize referendum. Their independence was declared without any show of popular will. Albanians are majority there. Why Americans didn't support that idea? Put your action where your mouth is Hadi. 3) *Fuck British and American propaganda Jose*
As a Spaniard, I wish Catalonia stayed with us, and instead of them leaving, we could build "a Spain" in which all catalans would like to be part of. I totally defend their right to vote if the want to stay or leave, though, it's their decision.
Dani al menos alguien con dos dedos de frente
The problem is that nobody in Spain is proposing an alternative, only submission.
@@catalannationalist9847 Well, the Spanish has a habit of forcing people to submit under their rule, so no wonder the Catalans are tired with their bullshit.
Sod off right wing nazi
One of the richest regions playing the victim
As a Filipino of Spanish and native descent, this is ridiculous. I think Catalan is way closer to Spanish than my own language to Tagalog.
Spain looting the richest region and suppressing them isn’t a problem ? Right wing fascists like this fake idea of Spain
I’m Catalan but I want us to be under Spain.
why tho
@@aqebrax because the separatism is a big scam
@@aqebrax As if Castile/Spain wanted to ever oppress Catalans.
Castile was actively pro-French until Ferdinand and Isabella married. Suddenly Castile reversed its diplomatic ties and stepped up to defend Aragonese borders and interests. Castile had no business in the Italian Wars but because of Aragon it fought and won it. This isn’t tiny Scotland being dragged by the bigger England, this is small Aragon being shielded by Castile until Castile itself declined.
Nobody wanted the Bourbon succession to happen. Did you think Castilians celebrated that vile dynasty? And if you’re putting forward Franco, everyone suffered under him, not that it’s a good thing.
History must never be discussed with an agenda behind it. If I were to pick a side, I am not choosing the one actively lying and making up history to make themselves the victims.
Support United Spain from Northern Ireland 🇬🇧🇪🇸
@@jamesthejoker7415 you should just worry about the Brexit fiasco created by england
Their arguments do not convince me.
Rebel Alliance, yes they do have to if they want international support, and start integrating a globalized world. In which world do you think you live? You need to go back to school, but this time take it seriously OK.
JonnyDary11 would you feel ok in a country where no one can speak your language? But people still call you Spanish
@@subscribefornoreason551 most of the people there are from the rest of Spain so Castilian is their language.
Forcing people to speak your language never works and in the end only provokes resentment.
Castilian Spanish is one of the most spoken languages in the world and connects multiple nations and the Catalan region of Spain has profited greatly from the Castilian language with some of the largest publishers in the Spanish speaking world.
If you want to speak Catalan , go ahead but don't discriminate against the national language and don't force the language on others to be able to work.
Separatism is so idiotic that they prefer Islamic immigration rather than Latin American immigration because Latin Americans speak Spanish but that immigration is already biting them in the arse with several attacks and they are just starting.
Here's another argument. We are catalans, our Nation is Catalonia and we want to be independent, as you want your nation to be independent.
@@catalannationalist9847 That is not an argument, that is what Puigdemont and Torra say to Catalonians to indoctrinate them.
'Feeling superior in irrational ways'. . . . She said it perfectly. Why do jingoists feel so patriotic based on nonsense? Go trace your heritage and you'll see that your whole argument falls apart
How does the argument fall apart?
Miele Rodriguez because all of our ancestors walked out of Africa once upon a time! You weren't just magically born from the soil of the land!
Kevin Dominic in a way 'yes'. Nationalism is largely an artificial construct. It obscures peoples ability to reason and see common sense. World unity and cooperation are the only ways to tackle modern day problems like climate change and the destruction of the planet. There is no other way!
Joe Bloggs is this George Soros?
sound dream
You defined fascism and why it's just an excuse to embrace power perfectly.
Every province in Spain has large cultural differences from the others, and there are several distinct languages spoken throughout the provinces. Should they all each become independent based on that fact? The notion seems ridiculous to me.
and in every country in the world, except very small ones..
Actually the commonalities are far greater than the differences with the possible exception of the Basque country.
@@dariomartinez459 yeah, no. Some are similar but some are completely different
@@susballmapping9521 only separatists accentuate the slight differences but the similarities and common points are overwhelming but foreigners don't understand this.
If they wanted independence, then yes. They should. The basques, catalonians and galicians in partucular. And why does the notion of a nation getting its own country seem ridiculous to you?
If you go to Catalunya from another part of Spain, like I did many time, it looks and feels like Spain. THe people there act exactly like what you would expect of other Spaniards. And not all of the Catalans are catalonian but Spaniards from other parts, likewise there are many 'ethnic' catalonians around Spain proper.
Theree had been a huge migration in the 50's 60's and 70's from other parts of the Peninsula specially from the south, and -of course!- most of them don't speak catalan and don't want to hear about independence. But is that fair? Do latins have the right to make USA be part of Mexico even if they have been born in the USA and are 'legally' considered US citizens? OR even.. do YOU or any one anywhere have the right to tell what catalans have to be, and what they have the right to do with their territory but themselves?
@@josepd.7629 Well it's not like they are migrating from a complete different country, I live in Madrid and do you really think that shit only happens in Barcelona? No, of course not, and as long as you register yourself and are going to live in Madrid I see no issue in you voting for whatever the fuck you want, you are living here, you are no second class citizen.
saying this as a foreigner is wild. You know nothing about our identity.
As someone is not from Spain, myself, I see you guys all looks like, no difference, if you look at the US, some states are reach than others, but you don't see people calling for independence, believe me diversity is something great, you don't know the value of it until you loose it, next time if it happened and you guys get the Independence you will see people within the new Catalonia saying the north is better than the south and so on and so far, believe me stay united and that's what makes you strong, Gracias!
Soufiane Louchene Im from Spain and this is because they have teached children to hate Spain. They are forcing the world to see that catalonia is opressed by Spain, and thats not true. The pro-independent people are the opressors, because they opress the people that dont want catalonia be independent and want to be in Spain.
Sorry for my english but im spanish and i only have B1☺
In Ukraine they didn't claim independence but we saw what happen when the Russians and Ukrainians were going against the ukraine government they won but then turned on each other
Then the russians came in and took over Crimea
We might or might not see this happen in Spain
Soufiane Louchene Viva Catalaña
- Aperezm163 - I am from Catalonia, and you are lying about the teaching of our schools. I do not hate Spain, and yes, I am catalan. Pls don’t say that.
@Karl HD separatists have been spreading lies to children which is when they are more subject to indoctrination ,but it is the fault of the central government that has sold them out for support from separatist parties.
Education should never be in the hands of people who hate your country, no matter which country.
No country in the world would allow such referendum if it's not allowed by constitution. Spain isn't doing anything authoritarian. if Catalans want independence they have to be oppressed by Spain to get support from other countries ,but they aren't oppressed Catalan is official language Universities and schools teach in Catalan they even have their own police. so to gain independence only option is to win independence war. So Catalan separatists are just wasting time.
¿Qué siente un separata cada vez que saca su DNI y lee ESPAÑA? ¡¡Morirás español@, y lo sabes!!
Quim Torra is the new Catalan independentist leader and new President of the Autonomic Region of Catalonia, elected not by the people, but by Carles Puigdemont, who is in Germany, pending to be extradited to Spain for orchestrating a coup d'etat whereby he, Puigdemont, unilaterally, decided to declare the region of Catalonia an independent republic, even when he was not backed by a majority. Independentists are not a majority within Catalonia itself. They are 47%, opposed by 53% that want to stay as a part of Spain. The last election was won by Ciudadanos, a unitarian party, but an electoral law that gives the rural votes more validity than those cast in cities, gave independentists a parliamentary majority, so they are now barely governing in coalition with simple majority of one vote. And yet when they speak internationally they claim to do so on behalf of all Catalans. This is far from true. Independentists are a minority within Catalonia.
There is a big controversy and as many opinions as Spanish citizens, but I have taken the time to translate some of Quim Torra's tweets and press articles so that everyone can see the kind of person he is and what he stands for. You can check these tweets and articles in the Spanish press and Media. They are public:
"The non independentist Catalans are beasts, scavengers, hyenas, animals with the shape of humans that absorb hatred. A perturbed pestilent hatred that stinks like a moldy denture, for the Catalan language. There is something Freudian in these beasts, like a glitch in their ADN chain. They walk among us, impermeable to any event that represents Catalanism".
"The Spanish and the French share the eagerness to annihilate the nations that barely survive in their territories"
"All what Spanish people are capable of is ravaging".
"We Catalans vote and the Spanish come to check us out. Get away from here! Leave us alone!"
"The fascism of the Catalans that are not independentist is revolting and pestilent"
"Us Catalans travel in private cars and pay for our expenses, unlike Spaniards".
"There has never been a non-inedpendentist Catalan whose life or career has been meaningful for the evolution of Humankind"
There are more, many more, but may these be a sample of what Catalan Independentists are and what they stand for.
I have also translated below excerpts from speeches by Adolf Hitler, because the similarity with Torra's speech is horrifying:
"When the question is still put to us why National Socialism fights with such fanaticism against the Jewish element in Germany, why it pressed and still presses for its removal then the answer can only be: Because National Socialism desires to establish a true community of the people…. Because we are National Socialists we can never suffer an alien race which has nothing to do with us to claim the leadership of our working people."
"The greatest achievements in intellectual life can never be produced by those of alien race but only by those who are inspired by the Aryan or German spirit."
We all know where Hitler's speech led Humanity. Please, don't let it happen again. See Nationalism eye to eye for what it is.
Taking Catalonia and forcing them to become a society of the state isnt authoritarian?
@@HumanLanguageByHumans Catalonians arent nationalist, they are anarchist.
They do not have backing of USA empire
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While Spain obeys USA(Is NATO) there wont be any Catalonia independence
im not hearing any real reasons why they should be atonomous
all of the provinces of Spain have their own music, traditions, language etc
so.. it makes no sense to me,,
for instance Galicia is gaelic
celtic..
It's called nationality
Just because we want. Should be enough reason. When you want to quit from something or somewhere you are free to do so, aren't you? Specially if the place or country you are in doesn't treat you right and wants you to be different and speak a different language, and to pay homage to them. It's a matter of Human Rights, Freedom, Justice, Equality, and Dignity.
OK So according to such argument the UK should be not independent and should be part of Germany, because English is a Germanic language and many customs and traditions of English people come from old Germany. Even the Anglo-Saxon came from north Germany, so... UK doesn't have right to be independent, at least those parts who don't speak Celtic languages, which should belong to France, Switzerland or maybe Austria, which are the homeland of the Celtic people.
NOT to mention USA.. they speak english and have english customs and even english measurement units.. .so USA doesn't have the right to be independent!
@@josepd.7629 Omg, I didn't see what you were responding to but that shit is sick, you have to take care of yourself! Drugs do bad to your health bro
Supporting Spain from America.
Shame on Catalonian separatists.
Why shame? I don't get it. I'd think you, as a yank, would be more sympathetic to separatists.
Thanks!
blazednlovinit you can't compare the 13 Colonies to catalonia. One is a State made to give recources to the motherland, was nearly 6000 kilometers away from London, and Were not allowed to immigrate into the land they won in a previous war. While Catalonia is A few hundred Miles from the Madrid, and has High autonomy
Return America to Britain.
Im from india.. and in india there are over 25 languages and different culture in different states.. so if catalonia is freed from spain on the basis of this only, then india should spread into 29 different countries 😂😂
It depends on how you treat those 25 languages, if you respect them or try to assimilate them into a central culture.
Yes 😂
Catalan Nationalist
are you sure
Actually, independence of one country all depends USA, UK, France, Russia, China.
Power is power. UN will not allow Spain have a war
In my state in India there are some who believe in separation. " Khasi by blood, Indian by accident " is what they believe in
@@catalannationalist9847 as a Filipino who speaks a different language from Tagalog (we were a Spanish colony, your country’s former colony), I should say no. As long we aren’t maltreated by the institutions.
Lol. They have a different language 😂. In that case most Indian state should ask for Independence from India.
It all depends on whether they want to leave or not it’s a democracy
Hi friendly reminder that bangladesh and pakistan were literally a part of india and literally left for the language. And its not just the language, its relgion, its a history of opression facism etc.
@@angelicavences9357 STFU, India and Pakistan split up because the Muslims thought that would have the short end of the stick if they stay united, but that didn't go well when the British ignorantly drew borders based on religion rather than any other factors such as culture and so on. Bangladesh became a country because Pakistan was committing atrocities against its people, repressing their culture and language, and being treated more of a colony rather than being part of the country. India has done nothing against these countries for them to split and even go so far as to liberate Bangladesh from Pakistani oppression. Read a book for once ignoramus. And honestly, there are more Muslims in India than both of these countries but they experience better rights and prosperity than Pakistan and Bangladesh making their cause for division even more pointless.
@@angelicavences9357 They left on religion. And India was never fascist-like Spain.
@@angelicavences9357they where divided for religion back in the decade agos tho
Don't they owe the Spanish government A LOT of money and want to secede WITHOUT paying that debt?
Adrien Pierre Lasbleiz Prieto I read it's 72 billion total in public debt
Jason Blaha Master of Douchebaggery fuck bro u r AESTHETIC as fuuuuuuuuuuucccckkkkkkkk
Jesus Duque I know I work out with Jeff Seid and Jon Skywalker
jordi castro More than 800 people injured! For voting
Natàlia P.A. *rioting and attacking the police
You don't get enough money back? that's so funny knowing the size of your debt.
they lose 16.000 million from taxes, which is 4% of Catalonias GDP. Thats nothing.
helloMRdj1 720* millions, that said the Economic facts of 2008 -2016
No soy catalán, pero el humor de los catalanes es la leche. Yo me parto de risa con vosotros.
You need to explain for English language users....
In English, 'milk' is second class; cream is the best
@@mb106429 why does he need to explain? 😂😂 why does everything need to be traduced to english
@@lucacardoza2533 I meant the think he was talking about.
Where did you get 'everything' from? Your brain?
I said English for English users?
@@lucacardoza2533 if he explains in other languages as well, he'll get a bigger audience?
Son obsesionados con mierda, y su idioma lo refleja... suena horrible, en mi opinion. La única cosa que me gusta del catalán es como usan artículos frente los nombres propios. El Jordi... la Mireia... l'Ana.
*Cataluña is Spain Love From Barcelona
Cataluña is one of the many beautiful parts of Spain.
Soy portugués y a mi me gustaria ver Catalunya independente. Voy alla estudiar en dos semana y quiero tanto aprender catalan jajaja
@Saitan Asker That's stupid and illiterate... no 'race' exists and if there was, all Europeans -specially spaniards- are mixed 'race'. So there wouldn't be reason for Spain, or for UK or France to be independent from each other..
@@afonsoferreira2652 porque razón quieres eso?
@@sergioarbesu5347 porque no es justo que un gobierno sea el controlador de tantas naciones. Italia Francia España, etc, no deberían existir. Somos todos latinos y nuestros paises nos separan
I am so special and different too. I have my own history and customs. Hey! I think I'm starting my own country lol.
are they oppressed in any way truly? or are they just getting big heads.
@@learnerofsuntzu9325 We are not opressed, but don't say "they", half of the catalonians don't want independence.
@@Ambitwine True but some of them are just stupid 😂
I have many friends from Barcelona and they are proud Spaniards. But I also seen some crazy ones too. independence
@@KarmaKraftttt I've met both types of Catalans
@@Ambitwine Yo tambien jajaja
Laliga without Barca would be unthinkable
Lo que BBC no quiere publicar: La deuda pública de Cataluña creció en el primer trimestre
La deuda pública en Cataluña en el primer trimestre de 2017 ha crecido en 345 millones de euros y se sitúa en 75.443 millones.Con esta deuda Cataluña ha sido la Comunidad Autónoma con más deuda de España en el primer trimestre.
What the BBC doesn't want you to know: Catalonia is the autonomous community that owes the most money to the State, that's why "they" - the big spending politicians in Catalonia want to FAKE everyone out and hide the truth....they are lining their pockets with money before letting the Spanish Constitution run its course. In the end, no referendum while the Indepent-loving politician of Catalonia steal money from the Catalonian people...
The English have no idea of what is happening in cataluña.No you ask because if the majority in Catalonia is not separatist because it does not manifest? .. we are simply afraid of the separatist facist regime that is being implemented.
This is funny. I live in Barcelona and the OVERWHELMING sentiment from Catalan's is SI for independence. I'm an outsider and I talk to both sides and it's remarkably. Spaniards living in Barcelona will call themselves both, it's almost trendy to do so, but Catalan's almost never do, though it's hard to discern that from this video. But this video has a obvious example. Take for example the girl in the grey shirt with the black hair. Seems like a nice person, nothing against anybody in this video, but She say she's both however when she talks about Catalan's it's always THEY. It's subtle but it's there. There are some really good reasons they want to break away and some fair reasons to stay, but the one pro-independence person is the most rigid and worst explained person in the video.
No matter I hope everybody no matter which side is against the vicious police brutality and the violation of human rights that tok place last week.
It is very simple they cant do It beacuse It is illegal if you and your group of friends really want to steal a bank that doesnt allow you yo do it
Cataluña IS SPAIN!!!!!!
why do you say that? i am interested
Sí o no?
The thumbnail brought me here!
I'm Italian but had quite an extensive SpanCat experience.
This is my grain of salt and that's what I think is the core of the problem.
Spanish national identity was created as an extended Castillian identity, with some Andalusian and other regions folkloric add-ups. Being Spanish became intended as speaking Castillian, period. Other options heavily frowned upon or outwardly repressed.
Catalans simply didn't feel fitting in that frame and never have since. They have a distinct language and a strong identity that Spain accepts only if tamed, decaffeinated, and marginalized to a few fiestas with no more importance.
Most Catalans have always answered no to that.
Spaniards have answered on their side with resentment and hatred, feeling that the Catalan stance was a sort of treason and threat to the survival of the nation.
The Catalans obtained an autonomous status as a nationality in 1978, with the right to defend their language and heritage but my direct experience is that the mainstream average Spaniard has never really digested that and trying to clip the nails of Catalans has been a profitable political strategy especially for right party PP, harvesting millions of votes among all those that feel that Catalans are supposedly "breaking the country".
Well, after generations of having to crawl hard to maintain their language and identity most Catalans are now heading for the door.
I don't think that viable, I find the current proceedings illegal and dangerous but I understand them.
Most of my Catalan friends never thought about independence and now they don't look fanatic either about that perspective.
What they most say is: "Que más podemos hacer?" What else can we do?
A far cry of frustration more than a nationalistic revenge.
Solving the conflict would require not a new political pact but a general upgrade of the national image of Spain as a whole. Spaniards thinking of themselves in another way, more ample, more modern.
Not Spain One, Great and Free, as Franco said, but Spain Plural, Great and Free.
It would be stronger and more stable accepting that is a more diversified culture than its nationalistic myths describe.
That's what I hope for that wonderful country but will that happen?
For what I've learned and seen, hardly possible.
They didn't want this when Spain economy was good. The Independentist spirit on Catalonia is fueled mostly by huge egoism, a lot of populism, unhealthy nationalism and a shameless manipulation of history.
you're wrong. This movement began in 2010, when spanish court erased most parts of catalan estatut (catalan laws), aproved in 2006
Who cares what it's fuelled by? When Scotland wanted a vote it was when they were coming into high priced north sea oil. We gave it to them all the same. Anything less is oppression, like keeping them captive and chained.
We couldn´t, i let you know that we were under a killing dictatorship for 40 years, it took a whole generation to forget that fear to vote... If you are not a catalan you don´t know what you´re talking about, Catalunya´s (catalonia) history has been always willing to be independent, always. Greetings!!
So true. They don't have any right ro declare Independence, and, by their own logic, any city could just vote to become independent.
Guillermo Salinas Or a person, maybe I can declare myself independant and not pay taxes or get a better deal than my neighbors. Isnt this whole thing contrary to the idea of equality?
Cataluña siempre será España 🇪🇸😘
I have a question. Why is there a street in Catalonia called "Sarajevo" (the capital of my birth country)? Anyone know the story behind it?
So sad...to divide a country like that. Look at past examples...it has not worked out well.
I've been to Madrid, Sevilla and Barcelona I love you all. Your language, your culture, your movies, your music, your dance, your architecture, the ambiance in your cities and all n all. Love you all. Wish you all the best.
Your "language"? In singular? Sorry, We don't speak the same language, we speak catalan.
@@catalannationalist9847 This is why nobody likes us - they were just being complimentary. No need to be disrespectful my friend.
@@antoniogamez1054 I Just wanted to be accurate. We don't share any laguage with Madrid or Seville.
@@ewanmcfadyen ?? In English
@@catalannationalist9847 nen que fas se le olvidó poner una “s” y ya
Support to United Spain.
I just found out my Paternal Haplogroup is R-M167
So I'm brushing up on my Catalan current events.
Well, most "catalans" who don't want the independence are descendents from spanish immigrants, so they speak spanish, consume spanish media, vote spanish political parties, feel related to the land of their parents and don't relate to the catalan identity. On the other side, most people who identify with the catalan culture (consume books in catalan, speak catalan at home, vote catalan political parties, etc) are for the independence.
I like the way that the bbc is taking about the culture in catalonia but the make unfair argument for the welsh language
I mean i hate i was being sarcastic with the I like
Wish the BBC have something else to talk about it.Like what's going on on your own country.Leave Spain and the Spaniard along.
Welsh language is alive in Chubut, Argentine Patagonia 🇦🇷🏴
@@mspadr6525 Haha it hurts when foreign media tells you the truth, instead of Spanish propaganda in Spanish media.
In Catalonia speak Valencian and its flag is the flag of Aragon. They have no flag or language of their own. Its leaders carry a debt of more than 70,000 million euros. They believe that forcing an independence will be the solution for not being accountable.
Where is that girl whose photo has been featured in thumbnail of this video.
Catalan population is deeply splitted, separatists claim only they represent people of Catalonia, but this is wrong. Silent non separatist majority (59%) went onto the street on 8. Octobre to protest against the separatist regional government (www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalan-leader-faces-dilemma-as-silent-majority-finds-its-voice )
NoEstaisSolos #YouAreNotAlone is the slogan of young Catalans who are going now on the streets to protest against the independence movement. They feel Catalan, Spaniard and European, have Spanish surnames, are proud to speak Spanish and Catalan, are proud of their origin. Most Catalans have Spanish surnames Gonzalez Garcia Martinez, just google IDESCAT which is the statistic authority in Catalonia (link www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=aec&n=948&lang=e ) , these Spanish surnames cannot be found in the nationalist separatist parties (about 45% of voters) but in the non-nationalist parties (around 55% of voters) . Furthermore most customers of Catalan banks and companies are in the other Spanish regions, much more than outside Spain in the EU . The biggest market for Catalan products are the other Spanish regions. After the civil war a lot of people from the southern regions of Spain Extremadura and Andalucia came to Catalonia to rebuilt the region, years before many of their people died when they defended Catalonia, part of the Spanish Republic, against the troops of General Franco. the Spanish company SEAT is the largest employer, Catalonia has the best universities and highest salaries in Spain (Catalonia 28.500 / Spain average 23.500) . Catalan bonds are rated BBB- , due to own mismanagement / corruption. Fast independence could hide this, local media is controlled with subventions by Catalan government, the local media doesn´t inform about local corruption. The illegal referendum held on 1rst October as well as an unofficial referendum 2014 (without any governmental interventions ) and the autonomic elections ins 2015 (declared by Catalan government as unofficial referendum) separatist parties just reached 39% of 5.5 million voters. According to surveys, carried out by CATALAN GOVERNMENT ITSELF, only 41% are in favour of independence (Source: elperiodico encuesta-independencia-cataluna-ceo-julio-2017-6181839) , Catalonia and the rest of Spain have a lot in common. The Castellers' human towers are from Valencia, the Mossos founded by Spanish king, dance Sardana was invented by a South Spaniard. The most spoken language in Catalonia is Spanish, in the rural areas people speak mostly Catalan but in the cities like Barcelona, Tarragona and so on people mostly speak Spanish.
Now that companies are afraid of staying outside the EU because of the independence movement a lot of Catalan companies have changed their fiscal and social headquarter to other Spanish regions to avoid financial problems and not to lose their customers in that regions (40 Million inhabitants) where they have many more customers than in Catalonia (7.5 Million inhabitants) .
Concerning police violence on 1rst October there have been many fake news, please take a look at the following newspaper www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19/how-fake-news-helped-shape-the-catalonia-independence-vote/?.95560d1e9e41
www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2017/10/02/violences-policieres-en-catalogne-attention-aux-images-trompeuses_5194905_4355770.html
www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo-injuries-fact-checking
Let Catalans have debates on for and against independence, and let them vote. Spanish govt. is acting like a dictator.
Aqib Haque only if everyone in Spain could vote. And after Russia aproves the independence of several annexed lands by force
The Spanish government is scared of losing the vote. That's why they hide behind pathetic arguments like the 'holy unchangeable constitution'.
You can't hold s region against the will of its people in the medium to long term.
Well, the political party in the Spain government right now (PP) are the ideological successors from the Francisco Franco regime, so it isn't that weird. They believe in a single Spain with a single culture and traditions, and already used the force and militar repression for that before.
They did have vote for independence in 2014 with an 80% support for independence
The long and short of it is, the Spanish government doesn't care how they feel, it doesn't want to lose land and wealth. Here in the UK we pride ourselves with offering people the ability to choose themselves, we've done it recently with Scotland, The Falkland Islands and Gibraltar. Anything less is dictatorship and oppression, Franco lives in the actions of Madrid.
They also support Kurdish armed Kurdish militias to divide a historic country like Syria, supporting the peaceful Catalan people to move away from Spain
From one independence movement to another. Fight against the fascists and fight for self rule!
Such groovy journalism.
Guy, that said he’s completely Catalan got best English prononciation among them.
Spain is not part of Barcelona. Spain should be an independent country. Free Spain from Barcelona's rule.
- Dave, Ukip Supporter, Cardiff
I have to say that i dont know too much about Scotland, but i think it was an independent country before the United Kingdom started. Catalonia never was. Catalonia was part of a reign of Spain, the Aragon Kingdom and now is a region. There are 16 regions in Spain. Its just about money, as the wealthiest region in Spain they give more taxes to cover needs of the poorest regions of Spain. Madrid does the same. The las 30 years the goverment of Catalonia has just made laws in favour of nationalists. For example its not allowed to write the sign of a private commerce in Spanish. They obligate you to write it in Catalan. You just can write it in Spanish if you use the Catalan although there is a majority of catalans that use Spanish as their mother tongue. The catalonian elites have been 30 years despising Spanish identity. In public schools they teach at least a 75% of lessons in Catalan. To reach the 25% of Spanish language in subjects like Maths, History... the parents of a child must require that to school; usually the school denies and they have to ask for it to a judge. This problem implicate that nationalist will know who is the Spanish dissident family and will exclude them in social life. The problem is so deep that parents decides which birthdays parties will their children attend depending on if the child belongs to a Spanish family or not. Thats happening now in Catalonia. Families are divided because of it. Friends stopped being friends because of a nationalist identity. The vice president of Catalonia, Oriol Junqueras, said in 2008 that Catalans genes are different than Spanish. Talking about genes in XXI century. The think they are better just because big companies pay their taxes there.
nice videography
The lady in the scarf is on point.
Catalonia has 0% chance To break away from Spain
I simply don't understand why they want it
Spain is already extremely culturally diverse and you don't see the others wanting independence especially when Catalonia is not being oppressed
It'd be like Connacht in Ireland wanting independence from the rest because we have different tradition and language to many in the east
It's kinda similar to Bavaria, like, yeah it was a seperate country, but they signed up for the Unification, and, you know. But they NOW have a problem with not being a country-
@@ewelinanajgebauer8862 Or even as far to say Scotland, they formed the UK originally, and they forced out their own Gaelic people, but then they turned and blamed the English for their own actions, it makes very little sense but they pretend it is the same situation that Ireland experienced by blurring the truth of their history
I think the Catalan independence movement is mainly based on a Superiority complex and filling the pockets of corrupt Catalan parties
What we are living here in Catalonia is really unpleasent for everyone. The society is divided in two. You cannot talk about it without getting mad to someone anymore. You cannot hang or wear a spanish flag without being disturbed. It has created two extrems and two paralel societys. We hope it doesnt get violent and the local gobernment stops with all this path that took us no where and for no real reason.
Catalan culture and identity are not in danger. The autonomous government has full powers to do so. The independence sentiment has been fed by the high bourgeoisie who want to have a public administration under control after they have run out of ideas of getting rich anyway. They prepared the advertising campaigns very well and made middle-class people believe that they would earn better salaries and less taxes, which is a utopia. I was an independentista until I saw all this clearly
cats and scots both have irrational superior feeling by there logic every small part of europe want to become separate country becoz everyone region is slightly different than other In india you will see this variation in every district from language to food , festival, cloth so if we start dividing like this we will create more than 100 countries in india. I think allowing economic freedom and there culture to grow is only way instead of forcing spanish culture on catalonian In india we becoz of this we have mix culture in our family which much better than monotonous culture
No es que Cataluña sea diferente a España, es que toda España es diferente
Don't know if it matters but if this is about Spain and Catalonia they should probably have been asked to speak in their language. I felt some of them struggled to express themselves as well as they could have in their mother tongue.
I find the Catalonia thing a bit strange - it was never a country in itself, was it? It’s a region. It’s not like Scotland wanting to leave the UK as Scotland is already its own recognised country within a Union. This is a region within a country. Maybe they don’t want a royal family? I’d kind of understand that but it is a bit of a head scratcher.
This is not the worst piece I have seen. It is pretty accurate since it doesnt address the real reasons of the separatist movement, only the beliefs that some people have. Separatism is not irrational, it is plain illegitimate since, after 5 centuries of unified history, Catalonia belongs to all spaniards and not only to the people who lives in that region.
It's like Poland staying unified for years and then, like, Bydgoszcz wants to break off because "Our ancestors ruled over Poland and we want to be independent", it's just stupid-
The Rule of Law is defined as “Individuals, persons and government shall submit to, obey and be regulated by law, and not arbitrary action by an individual or group of individuals”In other words, nobody is above the law nor can anybody act outside the constraints established under the Rule of Law. Sorry Catalonia, it's unconstitutional.
What is the law based on? You don't understand even the right for every person.
el Am Ou... So i can kill somebody because im free? You are wrong men. I dont know from where you are but im from spain and i can say you they have more rigths than any region of EEUU.
- Aperezm163 - the thing is that they just want to leave
Nietzsche Nardo But they can leave. They can go to a desert island or to another country. But the territory of Catalonia is Spanish and if they want to vote, all Spain should vote because if they get the independence it will affect spain also so im in my right to vote too.
- Aperezm163 - thats nonsense. Should the spaniards vote on german elections? It will affect them. Should all the europeans vote on the american elections? It will afect them. Nonsense. The future of a territory belongs to its inhabitants
It reminds me the referdum of Crimea.
There were no International observers.
There was no monitoring
Bro in black acting like he’s being ruled under Stalin
Catalonia is currently one of the most autonomous territories in the world.
“With the regime of the autonomies and the organisation of power in Catalonia, you have possibilities of action that many regions, in other places in Europe envy.” (Jacques Delors, former President of the European Commission, in Barcelona, 1998)
Catalonia and its high levels of self-government under the Constitution and the Statute of Autonomy. Catalonia has its own legislative and executive powers, exercised over a broad number of competences. The Catalan language and culture have never enjoyed such vitality, educational presence, demographic dimension, budgetary resources and political, institutional and legal backing as they are guaranteed thanks to the Constitution and the Statute of Autonomy.
List of matters taken on by the Autonomous Community of Catalonia (This is the magnitude of Catalonia’s self-government pursuant to the 2006 Statute) :
Education, youth, Catalan language, public safety, penitentiary system, private security, emergencies and civil defence, social security, social services, Transport and communications infrastructure, territorial and landscape planning, the shoreline and town planning, the organisation of the Administration of the Generalitat, territorial organisation, planning and promotion of economic activity, health, public health, pharmaceutical planning and pharmaceutical products, intellectual and industrial property, protection of personal data, volunteer movement, minors and family promotion, symbols of Catalonia, work and labour relations, tourism, universities, agriculture, livestock and forestry, water and hydraulic works, associations and foundations, hunting, fishing, maritime activities and fishery-sector planning, Savings Banks, trade and trade fairs, popular consultations, consumer affairs, co-operatives and the social economy, public bodies, publicly owned enterprises and qualified professions, credit, banking, insurance and mutual insurance companies that do not form part of the social security system, culture, geographic and quality denominations and indications, civil law, procedural law, energy and mines, sports and leisure, statistics, the public function and the personnel working for the Catalan public administrations, housing, immigration, industry, handicrafts, metrological control and contrast of metals, gambling and shows, environment, natural spaces and meteorology, stock exchange and securities markets, social communication media and audio-visual content services, notaries public and public registries, public works, gender policy, promotion and defence of competition, advertising, Technological research, development and innovation, legal regime, procedure, procurement, expropriation and liability in the Catalan public administrations, local regime, relations with religious entities, video surveillance and control of noise and recordings.
I think the Spanish government arrested their officials, it doesn't seem that autonomous to me xD
blazednlovinit : This is because they have openly challenged the Central Goverment and The Constitution. They openly declared that there was not going to be more law than their own. I actually believe the Central Goverment has been dealing with the situation with generous tolerance and patience. There are plenty of News Channel videos in you tube that could confirm that. No Country in Europe would have put up with a situation like this. It is call betrayal and desestabilization.
Too much autonomy has caused this problem. Schools should not be allowed to inculcate hate against Spain and spread separatist lies and Castilian should not be discriminated in any part of Spain.
but what if they want true independence, also, excellent report! me being an american i can some what understand why they want to be fully independent just to be independent. what would you say to that, and i mean in this a respectful manner of course.
We can't control our taxes, how are we the "most autonomous"?? Go and travel around the world you will see how things work in other places
Catalonia is Spain!
Help Spain!
You need your 'Barnet' to work an equation out. Catalunian Barnet formula 🤔
I’m Mexican of mostly Spanish decent. I don’t want to see my motherland fragmented.
Catalonians that don't feel as being Spaniards, should just leave. At the end of the day, Catalonia is in Spain, if they don't feel they belong there, they should migrate somewhere else.
Spain is a fake construct you right wing Nazi ., rather you right wing fascists can sod off
We are stand with Catalonia protesters! Free Catalonia!! Where are those western medias? Where is the White House? Catalonia is yelling help!! U.S.A should pass a “Catalonia human right and democracy act” right now
If Cataluña goes, Barcelona might not be theirs and most probably becoming poor by the corrupt separatists leaders
can you make a video: Why do some Hong Kongers want independent, amd some don't?
This video shows quite well how to skew the issue by showing many more people whose opinion match a certain viewpoint. Polls suggest that 40% or more of Catalonians want independence, yet only 1 out of 4 (25%) people in the video share this view. This gives a false impression to the viewer.
Viva Espana! Santiago!
Catalonia is a region from Spain, one of the most important democracies in the world. Catalonia has a very high level of autonomy, more than the German Ländern. The quality of life in Catalonia and in Spain is an excellent but some regional oligarchs, populists and nationalists are putting pressure to the local people to manage the region as they will, out from Spain and Europe, to transform Catalonia in a big Casino like an offshore financial paradise without control.
"more than the German Ländern", disgusting liar.
Hmmm, historically speaking catalonia is Spain - what else would it be? Also Catalan was always been spoken but historically Castilian and Provençal along with Mozarabic have also been spoken - so it can be quiet confusing when people say they are not Spanish when they are profoundly Spanish and have a very long, again, Spanish history. The very essence of the word Spanish includes Catalans and Catalonia. The country is diverse but you can’t erase history and say you aren’t Spanish.
That was kinda one sided. You basically had 70% of screen time showing these friendly women telling why they want to stay but the others you chose looked angry and you cut them off after you ask them a question at towards the end.
Free Scotland, too.
Lol, they had a vote, unlike Catalonia.
Free Tibet.....
Free Taiwan...
蝴蝶剑流星 Taiwan number 1.
stfu Scotland, does the United Kingdom mean nothing to you?
Go Spain get out the EU asap
no dude.
I always found that this information was very interesting. Thanks BBC News.
Catalonia is literally geographically apart of the Iberian Peninsula which is now modern day Spain. This would be like if Nordyilland wanted independence from Denmark? Its already bad enough that Gibraltar is not apart of Spain, but if i was Spanish i would be infuriated that people are talking about independence that would only break up my country even more.
Embrace the difference. #catalunyaesespanya#
Fredrik Chang embrace diversity and mass immigration in e.u. Embrace multiculturalism
Yes, exactly. Do they realise that no part of Spain really is "Spanish"? Every region has its own culture, Catalonia is not particularly special or "oppressed" - until of course they host illegal referendums and get upset over the Madrid government actually enforcing its laws through police power
@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 This is not true at all. Castilian Culture is CLEARLY DOMINANT in many regions, and Spain has always tried to transform the rest of the iberian peoples into Castilian Culture.
Catalan Ball
Y’all replying to a two year comment with something as irrelevant as that. Castilian =/= Spanish, it’s just one of many cultures on the peninsula. Sure Castille have tried to enforce themselves as the ‘standard’ culture but like... they obviously haven’t managed to do that everywhere.
@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 Castilian isn't Spanish because it exists other cultures, but castilian is the dominant and has been imposed to the rest through centuries,
CATALONIA = SPAIN...
CATALONIA IS NOT SPAIN, Catalonia is Catalonia, and Spain is Spain, . . . it's so hard to understand, that? Catalan language is not spanish language. We are not the same people. Why is there a "Spanish" and a "French" Catalonia? . . . because the king of Castile Felipe IV donated the north-Pyrenean territories of Catalonia and the Basque country in France, in order to obtain French complicity in the sumission of Catalonia. ( 1659, Treaty of Pyrenees : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Pyrenees )
Listen you can't ignore the Supreme Court just because you don't like it's ruling. They are acting like idiots I'm not saying this because my is from Madrid I think as an American is stupid to disrespect a Supreme Court ruling if it's unconstitutional is unconstitutional
Rebel Alliance I don’t understand what your saying.
I was born in Barcelona, I try not to focus on this too much about the independence movement. I noticed a lot of the younger people push for the movement. For me an independent Catalonia in my opinion might be risky with financial wise.
I just don’t think we should separate from Spain just because of the language and culture, if that is the case look at India do the regions their separate all because people speak different languages there. No they don’t.
Cuando un maya dice que es mexicano eso no impide que lo haga en su lengua! Hablar maya no lo hace menos mexicano al contrario es parte de la identidad mexicana! Asi como el Tequila y el mariachi! No entiendo a los catalanes el hecho de hablarotro idioma y no sentirse españoles
..... En mi forma de ver cataluña es cataluña españa no importa si lo dices en catalán o en español..... Da igual.... No se si me explique... Saludos desde méxico.... Viva españa.
Gracias desde España. Tienes toda la razón. ¡Viva México lindo!
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Si, según tu, "Catalunya es Espanya", podrias explicarme cómo es posible que exista una CATALUNYA EN FRANCIA??!! Y no es preciso que me recuerdes que Felipe IV regaló toda la Catalunya Norpirenaica y todo el Iparraldi basco a Louis XIV para hacersa perdonar por su DERROTA y paqra obrtener la COMPLICIDAD DE FRANCIA en el sometimiento de Catalunya. (tratado de los pirineos 1659 , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Pyrenees )
@@joanruizsolanes8382
Facil, mira un mapa politico de españa.
Veras una comunidad autonoma llamada "Cataluña"
Bien, ahora repite el proceso con Francia. Supongo que tendras el CI suficiente para seguir las instrucciones
@@SoeZ-M4 , Soez, , tu , mirando tus mapas, debes de ver una "comunidad autónoma", . . . porque que el franquismo y la ignorancia ciegan tus ojos y no te permiten interpretar las realidades. Yo, que como dicen los de Mediamarket, no soy tonto, si mirase uno de esos mapas, veria simplemente un TERRITORIO del cual , al no ser un INCULTO, sé perfectamente que tiene un IDIOMA propio, una HISTORIA propia y una CULTURA propia , en la cual no caben ni las PPANDERETAS ni las CASTAÑUELAS ni los FARBALANES ni los TOROS ni la PPANTOJA... NI EL FASCISMO FRANQUISTA. Eso son atributos de otros pueblos y otras gentes, y no de muestra NACIÓN catalana.
En cuanto al IQ (como solemos llamarle internacionalmente, lejos de PPatosos castizismos carpetovetónicos) , demuestras muy obviamente el tuyo al cometer la mala educación de pedirle (en tiempo imperativo) a alguien que haga lo que a tu limitada mentalidad le parece conveniente. Mira, muchacho, los mapas cambian con el tiempo. si hubieras leido más, sabrias que aún hace cien años existia en Europa el Imperio Austrohúngaro, del cual, hoy en dia, muchos ya ni siquiera conoceis la existencia .
Creer que los mapas són "veritas perennis", demuestra un bajísimo NIVEL CULTURAL, claro que si te gusta hacer el ridículo escribiendo SANDECES, yo no tengo queja alguna que exponer.
I don't think catalan should be allowed to separate from Spain
Like an innocent man shouldn't be freed from captivity.
Captivity? Don't make me laugh, they have no reason to become independent and it would just destroy them.
blazednlovinit lol nice try but that's not even a fair comparison
@Smokey. Why? Because you say so? You're a nobody mate, why do you think people should listen to you if you don't make good arguments?
Alfonso Uriarte
Keep thinking
I was born in catalunya, my parents are catalans, i grew up in the Netherlands. I see no difference between catalans and spaniards. I still fail to see the reason for seperation. In the Netherlands we got a province called Friesland and they too have their own customs, culture and langauge but they do not see a valid reason to secede. Also If they really are nationalists and they really want to be independent, why do they want to forfeit their independence by joining the EU? This is a serious question.
I dont know, but other Spanish regions (in fact all) have their own culture too.
I'm not from Spain and I'm not even from that continent, but I have heard time & time again that Catalonians want to separate from Spain....personally i hate the current government in my country but I wouldn't think there would be any tipping point to make me say that I want my ethnic people to separate....the name of my country is in my blood n I wouldn't want to change it for any circumstance...i would fight the government through deplomacy rather than separation....but if catalonians feel that it is best to separate then I wish u all good luck
"I don't want independent, I just want vote" well said, the Spanish government should not take away people right to take part in a democracy.
they can make an exception i mean, idk.
And what happens when leave wins?
Richest part of country, strong tradition, own language... reminds me of Slovenia in Yugoslavia 25 years ago.
Miha Ucakar And what happened thereafter?
Sure a true successfully story?
+Ice Cream Man Exactly. The other communities should separate as well.
Ice Cream Man obviously they don't
Miha,, its like Slovenia,, except for one major crucial difference, 99% of Slovenians wanted independence, there was no pro-yugoslav sentiment. It is evident that Catalonians are split in half over this, much like Scotland. Therefore , independence movement is doomed to fail.
@@mtromanija8305 exactly,you can´t form a "nation" with over 50% of the population against you and when the nation that you belong to has a real military and you have nothing . You would create a Catalan civil war with Spain intervening to restore order and the constitution.and countless dead and hatred that will last for at least a century. People like Pigedemont don't care ,because they will just run away and leave the rest to suffer.Cataluña was never and will never be a nation.
Free every things
Every language in Europe has its country French France Italian Italy Catalan Catalonia this is their Right in Life good luck guys
Kurdistan are with you
Cataluñistan😁
Thanks. Spain = Turkey
Don't enough money back?????? Tell that to us people from Madrid or from communities like Cantabria ir Castilla y León! We are holding Spain more than Catalonia, and we don't mind!
Yakurna 3212 it's called solidarity. The richer regions support the poorer. This independent movement is originated by pure greed.
Sir Francis T. Woolridge that's exactly what I say
You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
Albert K good ad hominem
You are lying and you know it.
MOST ! Not Some !
The guy who says I’m Catalan with the American accent.. who ya fooling ? 😂
Cataluña is in Spain, Barcelona.
Spain didn't support illegal Kosovo independence. Support from Serbia. Wish we can do more
BEBA Pagan
Dk
Kosovo belongs to Serbia
Gary Sammons ,, And You're Á,, BG
Cataluña IS SPAIN!!!!!!!
I agree with your bid for independence! Love to all Catalans from the UK
@Rock Scotland are not captive! Scotland had a vote and rejected independence!
Julia seems a sensible young woman
Obviously Catalunya is not Spain's priority because Spain has way MUCH MORE REGIONS TO CARE ABOUT.
I MEAN YOU CATALANS ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE IN .. ACTUALLY SPAIN
That makes me laught because everyone in europe blame the french because we didnt let our regions keep their languagues and culture. But now that's what saved us from having an independantist movement in france like Catalogne or Scotland.
What about Corsica?
And I think you mean Scotland.
Cultural genocide
+Centrist Philospher Well, only 18% of corsicans want independance, and this number will reduce in the next generations as they become more integrated with the french culture. Thats true that they did some terror attacks but its just limited to some fanatics that are/were mostly part of the corsican mafia.
are you proud of that? erasing other people cultures?
I am disgusted
Vamos !
Ya coge un podio en el maldito Mclaren para que se vuelvan a sentir españoles estos sub normales.
¿Qué siente un separata cada vez que saca su DNI y lee ESPAÑA? ¡¡Morirás español@, y lo sabes!!
I don't really know the exact background about this issue. But based on only this video, it sounds like when their state already being developed and the tax they paid go to sustain the less developed states, they became unsatisfied because they felt they gained nothing from the government. They thought they can create a new better government than Spain's. Idk this is just from my understanding.
nah I'm not really interested anyway
its a lot more complicated than a want its similar to TEXAS wanting to sep from the usa Cali wanting to sep from usa etc
they have no way to support themselves economically
how can they do trade? their money? etc
my fam is from spain
At least Texas was an independent nation once, Cataluña was an Aragonese region and then Aragon merged with Castilla and Navarra to create Spain.