Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 3:05 - Movie 11:53 - Season One 17:33 - Season Two 33:11 - Season Three 43:13 - Season Four 52:05 - Season Five 1:22:06 - Season Six 2:00:22 - Season Seven 2:41:16 - Conclusion 2:49:40 - Outro
My thoughts on the ''Dark Magic'' system is that it IS still the force, they just channel it differently. While Jedi and Sith learn direct control, perhaps some other people learned to channel it via weapons or runes, maybe even rituals.
thats because it is. they talk about it in clone wars i believe, or was it rebels? probably both actually. i think maul also mentions it in rebels when bringing ezra to dathomir. but then its also in fallen order.
It was, in a comic. And its stupid. He litterally falls into a tank of Plasma. Incase you are not aware, Plasma is one of Naboo's most valuable exports. Maul despite falling into the same contanor that burns his legs into ashes, lives, and then that container along with a full shipment of the most valuable resource on Naboo is then dumped whole onto the trash planet in the show. Why you may be asking? So we can get Maul from point A. to point B. of course. TCW is so trash
@@lba_e_ross2152 oh hell no, you didn’t just say the TCW is trash. Let me give you some reasons as to why it’s amazing: World building Exciting action Great character development Amazing new characters The lightsaber choreography The dialogue and banter The plots and incredible arcs Ok, it definitely isn’t perfect: there’s some shit arcs/eps, characters and clashes with canon but imo the positives by far outweigh the negatives
@@jamestrainor4293 1. World building that broke the old world building 2. The action is 50/50 to be honest some of it makes no sense 3. For Ahsoka but not any of the old characters 4. Which usually makes no sense 5. Not really 6. Which are to be honest rare
"We are pirates we don't even know what the means." Is just one of the best lines in Star Wars period. So simple, yet perfect in execution, and I'm sure Captain Jack would be proud lol.
Actually on the Return of the Jedi Commentary Lucas said that Yoda and Obi Wan helped Anakin become an Force Ghost, so I guess you can take the trials as a kind of spirit for a bit before you get turned Into a part of the Force apparently.
Regarding Rex and Order 66: Keep in mind in Rebels, it is only Rex himself ho claims he didn't betray his Jedi. Fans always speculated if he was genuine, or he was being an unreliable narrator. Not to mention, Ahsoka wasn't strictly speaking his Jedi. She was just an advisor, officially, he was still Anakin's subordinate.
More like the writers forgot about Rebels while writing season 7. For context, Rebels was made to be a spiritual successor to the Clone Wars, even going as far as bringing back some characters and elements, such as Rex, Greggor, and Wolfe, the Darksaber, Maul and his hunt for Kenobi, and an old reactivated Clone Commander wanting to "Finish the Clone Wars." The problem is that because we have the context of Rebels, going back to Clone Wars kinda felt pointless, mostly for the seasons that are suppose to lead to Revenge of the Sith. I'm grateful that we got the Bad Batch and the Siege on Mandalore arcs, however WITH the context of Rebels, there wasn't much consequences for the important characters because we all knew that Ahsoka and Rex weren't going to die, and Maul eventually meets up with Obi Wan to settle the score, only to die. This also in a sense made Rex's story inconsistent when he told it to Ezra and Kanan (i can't remember who specifically he was telling his story to), because HE STILL CARRIED OUT ORDER 66. He didn't refuse, he followed the order. However Ahsoka saved him by removing his chip. Long story short, for better or worse, Rebels still played a crucial part on expanding the idea of a group of Rebels fighting against the Empire and tying up loose threads from The Clone Wars. However when trying to circle back to The Clone Wars to finish what was suppose to be released BEFORE Rebels, there's already no more surprises or tension when watching, because we already know what ends up happening. Not to mention that now the writers will have to rewrite or rework certain dialogues and scenes for Clone Wars and Bad Batch in order to stay consistent with the events of Rebels, otherwise there could be more plot holes or "cinema sins" opening up. (I almost threw up from saying that, since Jeremy from Cinemasins tainted it)
I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). In TCW, there was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM) and it just seems ridiculous that he survived and he shouldn't be the focus of the Clone Wars in any case. Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often to give us a viewpoint of how other Jedi (in particular Jedi of Anakin's age) behave, or talk to citizens. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change. Regarding Clone troopers and Order 66, I believe it was shown in the novel "Rise of Darth Vader" (written in the Lucas era) by James Luceno a group of Clone Commandos disobeying the order as they had been bred with a degree of independence unlike the Clone troopers and commanders. You could easily have had Rex being an ARC trooper bred differently and thus not obeying the order. Then you could easily have had a story of him and another small batch of clones helping Ahsoka to escape and some being killed in the process versus the regular troops on board a ship etc.
On the Korriban/Moraband thing - this one's actually on George. They were going to call it Korriban, but he wanted to rename it to Moraband. They handwaved it saying that Moraband is the modern name and Korriban is the more archaic one.
@@anomalyinc3239 Well let's not forget that the name change is easily explained away by the fact that they wanted a means of striking the planet out of its record's, so a simple name change along with making all the information about the planet accessible only to Jedi Masters and the Jedi themselves, would have likely helped prevent newly risen Sith from becoming a threat or impede their path to power long enough for the Jedi to find and kill them. There are also a ton of other reason why the name change exists that don't have to involve an official use of sources.
@@anomalyinc3239 about Jango origin-it was obvios that Prime Minister would say a lie about Jango( Jango was a separatist, terrorist and the one who trying asassinate Padme-definitly not a man you want to be connect with in front of jedi)
Which makes perfect sense and gives the world more depth. In our world place names change their names also gradually over centuries and millennia. So why not also in the Star Wars universe. The fact that this point is brought up as a point of criticism just illustrates how superficial most of that kind of criticism really is.
I think the son isn’t the representation of dark side but the representation of the fall to the dark side. He still cares for his sister and father and the dark side is tearing him apart. He is falling to the dark side and the force doesn’t want that because the father stated himself he did what wasn’t allowed for them he chose the dark side and the father much like Obi Wan probably didn’t do much against it because his love was blinding him. Even in his last moments he still loved his father and all he wanted was to leave this world and create a destiny of his own. But that’s just my theory
55:42: "Teaching is a privilege. And it's part of a Jedi's responsibilities to help train the next generation" - Obi-Wan to Anakin, TCW movie. I think Ahsoka was entrusted with the shaperoning the younglings, because it was always part of a Padawan's training to guide the younglings on this journey. Granted that's just my headcanon...
But the old EU was never canon. The whole Canon system was Anything Made by George then everything else. If Anything Made by George superseded something, then it wasn't really canon.
@@REDDAWNproject The EU was a parallel universe to the films 1- 6. George Lucas’s Star Wars or The G-Canon is the first six episodes, and his plans for the sequel trilogy, along with his ideas of what happened before TPM, in Paul Duncan’s new book, so it’s pretty much the equivalent of earth-1 in DC, the first timeline, the prime one. Everything else is alternate timelines and universes. George has been on note saying he was fascinated with Star Treks take on alternate universes in the old 60’s tv show and wanted the EU to be a mirror verse of his films like a sand box for fans to play in and make their own takes on star wars. Basically the equivalent of Earth-2 in The DC universe. So The EU despite all it’s continuity and the writers trying to match their continuity of the books with the six films it was a parallel universe the whole time. To me this just makes the concept of a star wars multiverse apparent so whenever I see a continuity error to 1-6 in anything I can always write it off as an alternate timeline because honestly while morons try to say George is bad with continuity his six films have the best continuity in all star wars projects compared to anything else, especially the new stuff. Ironically the man who idiots claim has bad continuity skills is very good with his continuity when he’s running things.
@@REDDAWNproject Wrong. Everything from novels, to comics, to games, it was all considered canon to the larger Star Wars universe, and George made sure it was so. TCW was made when George was focused on other projects which is why it isn't as well integrated in EU.
Graphically it improved over time. I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). There was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM). Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change.
Clone Wars fans: The Clone Wars is some of the greatest Star Wars ever made! Other Star Wars fans: Oh so why don't I start getting into it by watching the movie - Clone Wars fans: NO WAIT DON'T TOUCH THAT! Anomaly: Wow this is really neat! Clone Wars fans: ... ???
Because, unlike others, Anomaly understands that the complaints about Ahsoka and the plot based about Jabba are dumb if you actually think instead of saying it's stupid right off the bat.
@@orlandofurioso7329 Yeah, I have no problem with it. People criticize it as a "movie". I'm the type of person that generally preferred watching television shows over movies. Except for Star Wars. I used to tell people that movies "steal" 2 hours away from your life whereas tv gave you a steady continuous relationship, which I preferred over a one-night stand. This did not mean that I preferred watching the Terminator tv show over the 1984 movie (which I saw in a drive in when I was 9). But in general, I loved tv more than movies. Of course, I love that a movie feature has more of everything, sound, story, visuals and big movie star actors. Every franchise is different. Star Trek and Lost in Space started as television shows, Star Wars was a movie and Battlestar Galactica was a tv show that began with a feature film. Now all of these franchises have television and movie content. Back to the Clone Wars movie, the idea is much like the start of Battlestar Galactica except that Battlestar Galactica actually made a movie, even the reboot Battlestar Galactica started with a tv movie that was pretty epic. The Clone Wars movie was from the tv series, having said that that Clone Wars tv series was so good that many more of its arcs could be seen as a movie. I love the Ryloth arc. A bit off-topic, I don't know if you are old enough to remember the transformers movie. Not the live action 2007 movie, but the cartoon one called "Transformers - the movie" from 1986. It was a continuation of the 1984 Transformers animated television series. The movie featured Judd Nelson from the Breakfast Club, Leonard Nimoy as Galvatron and Orson Welles as Unicron. The music was composed by guy who did the music to Rocky IV, Vince DiCola, as well as some great rock tracks including a rock version of the Transformers theme by the rock band Lion. Eric Idle was a voice actor and "Weird" Al Yankovich was also on the soundtrack. The story and animation were more like Japanese animated features than the animation from the Transformers tv show. It felt like a movie, a cartoon movie. Only problem was what happened in the movie made me and many other children (I was 10 or 11), sad and very angry. Yes, the kids got angry! But as an adult I now love that 1986 movie and still watch it. It doesn't matter that it was made to make us buy new toys, not now anyway. In fact, I was glad to see new Transformers toys from that 1986 movie in stores (2018). After all these years they are still trying to make me want to buy more toys. I did want it though. I did not buy it, only because I am old and I don't have time to play with the Transformers I already bought. Back to Star Wars, the company Hasbro that make the Transformers also make the toys for Star Wars Clone Wars. They also now make all the Star Wars toys, taking over that from Kenner. Hasbro even made Star Wars Transformers, one was a Vader helmet that transformed into Vader's TIE fighter. lol I thought "What the ...?" Hasbro before Transformers were famous for GI Joe, which is now also a movie franchise starring Dwayne Johnson. Transformers and GI Joe are not the only franchises that started with toys, there was Action Man, He-Man, Centurions and probably others. He-Man was made by Mattel the same company that makes Barbie. Barbie has tv cartoons and movies, I heard there was a live action movie coming. 20th July 2023.
Darth Maul used the Force all these 10 years in exile to move his metal legs and body. He didn't fight with lightsaber, however, so I agree that he should be worse fighter than in Phantom Menace (and especially than in Darth Maul Apprentice fanfilm, which is my headcanon).
1:19:23 Eh, no, Ahsoka was NOT written into the final season by Disney. All of the season 7 stories were scripted before Lucas even sold the company. In fact they had 3 complete seasons fully scripted and at various stages of production at the time TCW was cancelled. Siege of Mandalore was always meant to be Ahsoka vs Maul. Ahsoka had at least three more storyline in those 3 seasons, including one where she would've temporarly gone back to the Jedi, after discovering a Sith shrine under the Jedi temple, where she would've narrowly escaped Sidious, and she still would've refused to rejoin the Order.
Fives' death might be THE most heartbreaking moment in the entire Star Wars saga. I'm not even a huge fan of The Clone Wars - I mostly watched it for Ahsoka and usually skipped episodes that didn't star her - but that moment had me in tears. I think it's because Fives could have saved the entire galaxy - he had all the information he needed to stop Palpatine's plan right then and there but nobody would listen to or believe him - but at the same time, you know that Fives' failure was inevitable. Order 66 was already set in stone by Revenge of the Sith, which in turn was set in stone by the events of the Original Trilogy. It's predestined by the canon so there was nothing Fives could do. Fives death was probably the darkest moment in the whole series too, considering what he had learned and the fact that he was killed by one of his own brothers. I don't think I've ever seen a children's show where a good guy goes above and beyond, gives it everything he has, and completely fails. In any other children's show, a failure would just be a bump in the road, a moment for growth. Even shows that push the boundaries like Avatar: The Last Airbender aren't brave enough to commit to such a total failure. There's always some ray of hope (Zuko's following Team Avatar after their failure in Day of the Black Sun) or some kind of loophole or deus ex machina (lion turtles and energy bending) but the closest thing to a silver lining we get with Fives' death is that Rex was able to look back on it in order to understand what was happening during Order 66. It still didn't stop the Jedi from being all but obliterated. It saved ONE Jedi out of thousands (and Ahsoka wasn't even an official Jedi at the time) and that was it. The Clone Wars went into outright adult storytelling with Fives because he died staring into a face identical to that of the man who killed him and with the belief that he had failed to save anyone. "I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right. Yet to fail, nonetheless."
Kevin Keiners soundtrack is so underrated. It isnt Williams tier, but some tracks especially like race you to the surface or burying the dead or the clones are just insanely good
Regarding Dathomiri magic: It's not a magic system that is different to the Force, the Dathomir Witches (and Nightsisters) simply use the Force differently from Jedi and Sith, their tricks and techniques are similar to Sith Alchemy or Sith Magic in the Nightsister's case, and many powers that define the Dathomir Witches in Legends have their basis on the "Alter Enviroment" branch of Force Powers.
On your issue with satine and obj-wan’s relationship; I think my thoughts on it might help you a bit: the way I look at it is that Obi-wan became the way he did as a direct result of his connection with Satine, and later with Anakin saw him struggling with a similar issue and was being strict to try and help Anakin avoid the pain of having to choose between the two. Sorta like a parents being hard on their child to prevent them making a bad decision
My problems with TCW is with it is conflicting with established canon and the Old EU that came before TCW. Despite these issues I have, I still enjoy TCW very much. Though S7 feels too rushed and a bit too close to Revenge of the Sith. It would have been ideal if we saw Grievous initiate his assault on Coruscant as well the set up to this massive assault. Then I would have been more sold to S7. Excluding the sisters arc, I did like S7 but it is not the absolute best Season or even it’s arcs like the siege of Mandalore that I find to be overrated. My favorite Arc is the Umbara arc, I find that to be the best arc that comes out of TCW. Anyways good job nomz.
I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). There was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM) and it just seems ridiculous that he survived and he shouldn't be the focus of the Clone Wars in any case. Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often to give us a viewpoint of how other Jedi (in particular Jedi of Anakin's age) behave, or talk to citizens. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change.
@@delta2372 A lot of it is mediocre and a shadow of what it could have been yes. Chips is beyond nonsensical and nothing to do with what we saw in the movies. There are far better EU books like Labyrinth of Evil and Rise of Darth Vader.
@@darkjediknight2923 indeed, the clones are also much better in the EU, there's an instance in the show where a clone hurts himself punching a droid but EU clones are stronger and more resistant to pain than the average human and could easily punch a B1s head off
I'm going to attempt to defend the line "I hope you told Padmé I said hello". I always interpreted this line as him saying that he knows Anakin and Padmé are at least dating. In Revenge of the Sith, when he says "I don't know where to look", I interpret it as he doesn't expect Anakin told her where he was off to because of his turn to the Dark Side and she was his (Obi-Wan's) last resort to find out where Anakin went
Honestly, I almost never disagree with Nomz but I think he's actually wrong about that particular line. I'm not surprised that Obi-Wan had figured it out. Considering Anakin openly told him that he fancied Padme in Attack of the Clones - "I'd much rather dream about Padme. Being around her again is intoxicating" - I think Obi-Wan knew he was in a relationship with her but simply ignored it because he didn't want to get either of them into trouble.
Obi-Wans knowledge of their romance was shown in the original Revenge of the Sith novelization by Matthew Stover, written with - and edited by - Lucas.
48:55 this can be treated as head canon, however there is some evidence to cement how Maul came back. As he puts it, Maul's rage for Kenobi still kept him alive and avoided death, but more or less in a mental limbo; a crazed animal operating out of instinct with minimal or basic cognition. It's possible that he subconsciously use the Force to reassemble his missing body half with mechanical parts, but without a focused mind, he created a spider like body twisted and perverted, not precise and anatomical. Then he fed off other living, like a starving animal desperate for sustenance. However it took Savage and the Nightsisters' dark magic to restore Maul's mind, and with his restored and focused mind, he reshaped his bottom half during the ritual. As for how Maul was able to reconnect with the Force, even though he doesn't have a full body of flesh, his mind is still focused yet also driven by hatred, hastening his reconnection to the Force, but forever handicapping him as you have pointed out.
Impressive work Anomaly and as a fan of the clone wars and the Star Wars saga 1-6 and the old EU thank you. And the quote by Lord Hood at the end was a nice touch. I salute you have a good day mate.
@ Favourite scene? Well that's a tough question I love the Umbara arc. And I really enjoy the banter with Anakin and Obi Wan but then again when it comes to Obi Wan he's my favourite character.
I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). TCW had great moments. BUT - There was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM) and it just seems ridiculous that he survived and he shouldn't be the focus of the Clone Wars in any case. Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often to give us a viewpoint of how other Jedi (in particular Jedi of Anakin's age) behave, or talk to citizens. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change. You could have shown how a different Jedi Knight reacts to a galactic citizen being attracted to them as comparison to Anakin. I think you also needed more of Anakin with Obi Wan before Anakin becomes a Jedi Knight. I.e. more of the dynamic duo in action. Also Jabiim from the comics. And more Clone Commandos too!
@ YES that's what I was saying too! The opening of ROTS for instance states there are heroes on both sides. But in TCW, the Separatists are practically the stereotypical cartoon villains. Whereas they should be shown to win battles by being better battlefield commanders, or having the support of the local planetary populace, or perhaps even being morally right versus the Republic/Jedi. Even Count Dooku in the movies is shown to be a highly principled person who is against corruption and has a degree of class and respect for the Jedi. He isn't just pure evil, but has motivations. And Grievous and Obi Wan should not be meeting every other week (nor should Anakin and Dooku). I think we didn't see enough of Anakin and Obi Wan together. And we didn't see enough other Jedi Generals. I'd have loved to have seen more Luminara, Aayla, Shaak Ti, Windu, Vos, Drallig, Master Di etc. I always thought a Jedi like Aayla (someone young) in comparison to Anakin would be interesting. Seeing how they behave versus Anakin who joined the Jedi Order late. I think sometimes the clone troops didn't lose enough. And yes, more nuance was needed. Otherwise, the way it showed the war, the Republic should have won in about a week.
1:53:10 Filoni didn't choose to complete the Clovis arc for season 6. It was completed and was originally supposed to be the third story-arc of Season 5, they even had release dates for the episodes, IIRC it was supposed to air in the slots of that were ultimately given to the Youngling arc instead. Also the Youngling arc was actually a repurposed pilot from a planned and ultimately scrapped spin-off show, it wasn't supposed to be part of the series proper.
@@samlerf Those were always intended to be part of season 6. I don't see your point 'tho. I explained that the Clovis-arc was finished long before Disney pulled the plug, because it was originally intended for Season 5, that why it was included in Season 6, over the Son of Dathomir-arc, which was only in early-production at the time.
@@Verebazs We have to wonder if things would have been finished and presented differently, with gaps filled, too, since Lucas explained it all already in the novels "Labyrinth of Evil" and "Darth Plagueis".
@@samlerf Labyrinth of Evil and Darth Plagueis are EU novels. They were not made by Lucas, they were written by James Luceno, so they were non-canon to begin with.
My favorite part about the Maul hallway scene is that he didn't need to rip off that guy's arm. There were already enough clones he could've taken a communicator from. He just wanted to show off
Also, the Clone, Ridge, has been first seen during the battle of Teth in the movie. Imagine you survive every battle of the war and then get killed by a fucking door
I know I'm late but the reason Baris framed Ahsoka wasn't because she resented Ahsoka but because Letta was going to reveal tp Ahsoka that Baris was the one who bombed the temple. Barris didn't want to betray Ahsoka but she was forced to do it to cover herself. I do agree that it was confusing how she killed Letta though.
How come people are always surprised to discover a character is voiced by Clancy Brown? He has one of THE most recognizable voices. Everyone only knows him as Mr. Krabs or from Starship Troopers, but he's the antagonist in Highlander, he's in Shawshank Redemption, he's in SO many other kids shows and movies like Lex Luthor in SO many cartoons, Gargoyles, The Incredible Hulk, Duck Tales (both original and reboot)... he's literally more than 2 dozen voices in Spyro, and Dr. Cortex in Crash Bandicoot... he's in Venture Bros, *The Mandalorian, Star Wars Rebels,* Thor: Ragnarok... I feel bad that he's forever a surprise and only recognized as Mr. Krabs, basically.
@@bemasaberwyn55 Whenever I hear him, no matter what kind of accent or voice he's putting on, I hear Clancy Brown. Not even other voice actors get such a lack of recognition despite far less unique voices, and not all voice actors have the same kind of on-screen experience. Never mind how popular basically everything he's in actually is. It's just so crazy to me that someone straight up wouldn't even recognize his voice and require "Mr. Krabs" to make even a weak connection.
Some political issues are universal though. As long as there are differences between people (or aliens) there can be racism. As long as there is money there can be economic inequality As long as there are nations and war there can be imperialism and war crimes. Making obvious allegories to the real world is tiresome though, like the aliens in Avatar basically being native americans.
@@peteypiranalover I get what you mean as well. I predict there will be an instance of a space police officer kneeling on an allegory of an african-american in some future star wars media.
Exactly Star Wars politics in a Star Wars movie no problem real world politics get that s*** out of my Star Wars it's called a fantasy universe as in not the real world we go into these universes to escape the real world
This show was the 1st kind of media I was shown of Star Wars and is why I'm a fan. Just sad we won't ever get a show like that ever in the franchise. Mando and Bad Batch can only dream to being this good.
2:04:19 Okay, sorry Nomz, but that's a pretty boneheaded, almost Plinkettian level nitpick, considering that in the very next scene after Obi-Wan says "I don't know where to look", he's talking to Padmé, and sneaks upon her shuttle when she leaves Corruscant, not to mention that he confirms he knows Anakin is the father in that very same scene. I think it's pretty safe to say, Obi-Wan was just looking for an excuse, so that he did not have be the one to go after Anakin.
@ That one's gold too, but the fact that that he says the "I'm not as young..." line, while being escorted by two hot Twi'lek chicks raises it by a few levels above all others.
I liked both versions of Clone wars, but i kind of perfer the old Clone wars cartoon cause it's feels more in line with the prequels timeline, awsome handrawn animation and also the best version of General Grievous we should have have in Revenge of the Sith and in this version of Clone wars cartoon
Eh, I don't know about that one. Now, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually like Clone Wars Grievous. Now, I also like in the OG series, he was freaking awesome in that show, nobody's going to dispute that. But I feel like the Clone Wars gave Grievous some characterization that he didn't really posess in the movie or the OG show. Now, could they have shown Grievous having more 2003-esque badass moments when he slaughters Jedi like it's nothing? Of course, I absolutely think it's a travesty we didn't see more of that in TCW, but I do think TCW actually fleshes out Grievous' character and who he is a bit better than in 2003.
@@occam7382 Wow, that is an unpopular opinion. I respectfully disagree. Grievous isn't meant to be a fleshed out villain. He was meant to be Dooku's attack dog that did his dirty work. I really dislike how they turned him into a moustache twirling villain. But thats just my opinion. Grievous was also VERY inconsistent when it comes to his power level. One episode, he takes on 3 Jedi Council masters. Another, he is made a fool of by a Jedi Padawan. Another, he gets his ass handed to him by Gungans.
@@edblake476, agreed. Some of the stuff that happens to Grievous is just shameful. If any army would be able to take him down, it should've been the clones, not the Gungans. But I disagree on his character. Grievous being "Dooku's attack dog" just kinda seems wrong to me. It was cool for 2003, but let's be honest, that would get old at some point, and he'd probably be seen as nothing more than a shell of a character meant to kill off impoartant characters when the script demands it. Even if I don't like all the things they did with TCW Grievous, I at least appreciate that he got some character development at all. But I can see where you're coming from, so how about we respectfully agree to disagree?
@@occam7382 Yeah at least we can agree on that. I disagree. Dooku was always meant to be the flushed out villain. I believe that the reason as to why created Grievous in legends was better, as he may have felt some internal conflict from being a Jedi once, So he sends Grievous to do his dirty work. I definitely see where you are coming from though. I think we should agree to disagree also. We both have very valid points, and it has been a pleasure to debate in such a respectful manner. Have a nice day :)
I personally don't believe Obi-wan wasn't aware of Padme and Anakin's relationship. He makes it pretty known throughout the last two prequel movies. The reason he says he "doesn't know where to look" is because he's unable to face the truth of who Anakin now is. He's unable to accept that the Anakin who loves Padme could do what he does with her consent or knowledge. There's no way he's with Padme - in his eyes. And since he's helped keep Anakin's troubles and personal life somewhat secret from the order, he's not about to out Padme in front of Yoda if she isn't responsible for Anakin's turn to the dark side. But he inevitably swallows those feelings and visits her anyway. Revenge of the Sith shows Obi-wan drifting dangerously close to a path of pure emotion.
Obi-Wan knowing of Anakin’s and Padme’s romance was literally shown in the original Revenge of the Sith Novelization, written with - and edited - by Lucas himself.
Another reason is that with many Jedi spread across the Galaxy fighting the War and some of them dead, many Padawans had to be given much more responsibility. I mean, Ahsoka was a *bratty* teenager when we first saw her and she had to grow up rather quickly into a *mature* teenager.
It's been a while since I saw the episode but from what I remember Yoda brought Ahsoka along to help him and like what Robinson said most Knights and Masters were busy with the Clone Wars so having a Padawan help out on what is ultimately a simple trip to get Kyber crystals is not really crazy.
I get what he’s saying about why would Ahsoka be there but I’ve never really questioned it because I think that arc does a great job of showing how much Ahsoka has matured as a character
@@AustenHilton Yeah I know about the other episodes. They all suck. I'm talking about Ahsoka being brought along by Yoda to help the Younglings get their Kyber crystals.
I don't know what it is, but something about Nomz's voice always sounds slightly angry to me. Probably from watching so much Revenge of the Prequels, lol.
Wow! This was a awesome review. You shared quite a bit of my feelings about the show while making me change my mind on a couple of things as well, ie season 5 being my favorite season. Fantastic job as always mate. Keep up the good work. You are doing the internet and me to a extent a big favor.
Fun fact: The second episode of the Umbara arc was directed by Walter Murch, whose work includes THX-1138, American Graffiti, the Godfather Saga, Return to Oz and *Apocalypse Now.*
I actually think Darth Maul's resurrection wasn't too problematic. It could have been a tad more explained. But I definitely think it's a very well handled resurrection.
1:41:20 My personal headcanon is, since we can't understand R2D2 and we learn Yoda is just playing a part to test Luke, that R2 could either be like "Yoda, dude, wtf is wrong with you? Don't you remember me? Don't you know who that guy is? Yo, put the food down and listen to me. Why are you hitting me, man!?" OR R2 gets it and is just playing along with Yoda. I don't think Yoda is where R2's involvement falls apart, I think C3PO is the real hole.
@@prometheusmodelow8322 Yeah, and R2 didn't. And then no one cared that they got paired back together, and R2 seems not to have bothered even trying to explain the PT to C3PO during the OT.
I remember Jensaarai1 saying how while the Mortis Arc might have happened in the EU as well, he likes to think it probably took a different route, framed within the continuity of the old Clone Wars Multimedia Project, without Ahsoka.
I wish the Mortis arc wasn't about the "true purpose" of Chosen One, but instead tied into setting up Abeloth. Like the Ones were trying to recruit Anakin because his potential power was the only one comparable to the Father's. But to help he'd have to leave the Jedi, the Republic, and most importantly, Padmé behind as he'd be forced to live and train on Mortis until the day of Abeloth's inevitable escape. So he refused.
Gonna have to watch this gradually but you have the timing of the start of the latter CW wrong, it was originally meant to follow the original CW (which is why there are some references to it) and so this CW takes place later in the war after hes been knighted, instead of the beginning. I do agree with assessment of the pilot movie, its fun and nowhere near the worst SW movie.
The problem is that the original animation is unclear as for its timeframe in the war. And they clearly only recognized those volumes instead of everything else. So they could have very easily pushed the events of that story to the forefront of the Clone War. If they even paid attention to that sort of thing. The Battle of Dantooine takes place in season 2 of TCW but in the original animation it happened before Anakin was knighted. Every source I've heard has put the TCW starting point 2-6 months into the war instead of over 2 years into it like when Legends had Anakin get knighted originally.
@@corruptangel6793 There is one thing that is clear about the passage of time, Anakin is a knight. So either way, it certainly doesn't take place near the beginning of the war.
The New “Bad Batch” episode is really throwing me for a loop. I was enjoying the ride so far but I want them to focus on the characters more and stop having filler. I know people who like rebels really liked it buts it pretty much a Hera backstory with a bad batch cameo. They are already starting to fall into the disney show problem of meandering around to much and not committing to a concrete storyline or developing the characters. If it keeps going like this it will probably have a rushed conclusion.
When I become a fan of something, it becomes hard to criticize it from my perspective and I have to hear from other people what might be wrong with something, so you talking about the Clone Wars, the good obviously, but also that bad that I had never considered, was really refreshing. Great video!
Same with me! I find myself looking up vids about a source of media that I like in order to see what’s potentially wrong with it. It really makes me feel useless because I can’t form my own opinions on anything unless it’s under the influence of others words…… 😔
On the portrayal of Count Dooku... "Look how they massacred my boy." Don't get me wrong, Corey Burton's a great replacement for Christopher Lee as far as the voice in concerned. However, Lee brought so much nuance to Dooku in Attack of the Clones despite only being in the second half of the movie. The moment where he offers Obi-Wan mercy whilst sadly reminiscing about Qui-Gon, the moment where he stops the Geonosis massacre and sorrowfully apologises to Mace Windu, the moment where he spares Anakin and Obi-Wan which is immediately followed by a display of subtle reverence for Yoda despite them being on opposing sides, they all served to create a fleshed out character in a remarkably short period of time. It was a perfect display of less is more and the performance that cemented Christopher Lee as an acting legend in my mind. The Clone Wars stripped away almost all of Dooku's nuance and turned him into another villain of the week, somebody like Skeletor or Shredder in the 80s He Man and TMNT. The episodes where he's captured by Hondo in particular, despite introducing the loveable Jack Sparrow of Star Wars, served to turn Dooku into a joke. His duels are cool and get better throughout the series - fighting off 3 invisible Nightsisters in his pyjamas was certainly a highlight - but the weight that they carried in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith is gone, partially because duelling Anakin and Obi-Wan became so common that they lost the tension they had in the Prequels. The only time we saw hints of the old Dooku was when he protested against killing Asajj Ventress because he was fond of her but even then, he didn't dare to undermine Sidious, which was something he clearly wanted to do in Attack of the Clones.
TCW is about the monster that the dark side turned Dooku into. And it's in line with Dooku's inner monologs in the Episode III novelization (Matthew Stover, written with - and edited by - Lucas).
So glad that you’ve gone over this. I think Clone Wars has some of the best Star Wars content out there. You can tell it’s made by prequel fans along with the man George himself as a passion project to flesh out the universe and characters. That being said I’m gutted you didn’t go over the Slave arc in S4 and the Obi Wan undercover arc in S4 :(
The clone wars is my personal favorite series of all time. Yes, more than breaking bad (although that is #2). Not perfect, but the peaks are so great (especially the finale) that the lows are largely overlooked. Personally the siege of mandalore arc are the best 4 episodes of tv I have ever seen.
@ 1:40:00 it makes sense to me, as Yoda hears Qui-gon voice for the first time in TCW and then sometime after in ROTS he hear it again and is unfazed due to him probably already being in commune with throughout that time.
On Korriban: apparently Lucas decided that the viewers of the show were too stupid to differentiate the names "Coruscant" and "Korriban", so he asked to make an alternate name that wouldn't sound too much. By the way, Rex was originally going to be the clone captain Alpha from the Clone Wars comics, but, similarly, George decided that having three main characters, whose names started with A was too much.
Don't be confused about Jango. Like any political party the pacifist Mandalorians decided to label the group of Mandalorians that saved Jango as a child as either deathwatch or thieves. They didn't want to tarnish their good pacifist name by supporting that particular group of Mandalorians despite before their destruction by the Jedi (an ambush set up by deathwatch) they were honorable soldiers for hire. Of course when word got out Jango's group was framed for killing innocent civilians the pacifist Mandalorians decided to distance themselves from them.
I can't lie, this has made me very interested into getting back to TCW. Recently, I've been learning more about the Expanded Universe and all the stories it has to tell, especially for this era of Star Wars. However I know there is a bit of a divide with fans of this series and fans of the originally established lore of the Clone Wars multi media project in between episodes 2 and 3. I think I should give both a try, seeing their respective takes on the Clone Wars.
Minor correction: Ahsoka doesn't know Anakin has turned to the Dark Side until Rebels, so she doesn't know it in the end of TCW, all she knows is that the Republic fell and the Jedi were killed, i say this because it was apparently a suprise when she found out Vader was Anakin, as how she dismissed that part of Maul's prophecy despite the Clones turning against her, no idea, perhaps yet another continuity error, but that said, there's nothing that says she knows about Anakin.
There's a comic that explains maul's survival and how he made it to that planet. regardless though, it doesn't matter. Unlike Palpatine who was resurrected purely out of the desperation of Disney and who already had a full arc, maul had no character, no personality, and was not a "fine" character, get OUT OF HERE with that nonsense, he was a WASTE of an amazing character design and concept, so they brought him back out of George's regret for killing him too early, to make USE of the character and turn him into someone with more purpose in the grand story, and that, be now is. Also....the mind worms? first off they were all destroyed back in season 2 and Barris was cured obviously..unless ur trying to say maybe she wasn't? but regardless it's still a lame way to make Barris the villain. just make it another character who's guilty
They do explain how Maul survived briefly in CW and Filoni touches on it too. Basically Maul syphoned the force into himself to keep his body stable long enough to cover his wound with metal and subconsciously made those spider legs as he lost his mind.
12:51 I thought it was because the droid he sent was meant for sabotage and a republic droid would already have more relevant data. Was this before or after the scavenger found him and realized R2-D2 had never been wiped, so he had massive amounts of relevant data? Because I thought that scavenger was trying to sell him to the Separatists because of that.
It was more of a matter of circumstance. The Seps are always looking for information and the junk trader realized he had that in R2, especially when Jedi come personally to look for him. It's not until delivering R2 that they realize the gold mine they stumbled upon. R3 is specifically referred to as a "spy" so I don't think he was just meant for sabotage.
I don't think Yoda forgot r2 in empire I mean he was playing the role of a mad hermit more I think to test luke, and R2 i don't think would let luke know it was Yoda even if he knew, I mean is it plot convenience and a bit of an asspull sure but as you said in the title mostly awesome. yeah there are some flaws
Why the hell would Yoda remember R2? I don't get why people think characters in the OT have to have a perfect recollection of everything they experienced in the Prequels. If you had a close neighbor who got a dog that you met and hung out with a couple dozen times over the course of several years, then you move away and 20 years later someone else shows up at your house with that same dog, you telling me you'd recognize it with any certainty? At best you'd think it looked a bit familiar.
As for why Jango Fett was chosen as the clone template, this is semi-explained in a comic where Jango kills several jedi with his bare hands in an incident Dooku was there to see during his time as a jedi. So when the time came to make a clone army of jedi killers, he knew exactly who to look for.
And that comic is why I HATE Death Watch. They were the villains in that comic but were all wiped out by Jango after the fact. In so doing, he avenged his family (who were killed when he was a child), the man that raised him, his comrads, and executed their leader, Vizla, after personally defeating him in one-on-one battle by feeding him to the local wildlife. Filloni revived that faction and undid everything in that comic.
@@rickmalinger5361 the force lightning ability years of practice for dark side users. Maybe the ability gets unlocked through alchemy but not sure. Vader was never able to use the lightning because of his body beijg burned alive. Maul and Ventress dont have enough training. Notice how only the old characters can use it. Palpitine, Dooku, and Yoda
The Jango Fett Mandalorian thing isn't really confusing. The Mandalorians are separated in 3 factions with the Pacifist Mandos, True Mandalorians and the Death Watch. The True Mandalorians and the Death Watch lost the Mandalorian Civil Wars and were banished. Jango was one the True Mandalorians and they were hated very much by Death Watch. Almec had ties with both Pacifist Mandos and the Death Watch and he very lied to Obi Wan to keep face that the Mandalorians aren't returning to their warrior ways and disavowing Jango for being a True Mandalorian. Basically, Almec is a liar.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who enjoyed the earlier seasons of the show! While the movie and season one are a bit flawed in terms of animation, I still thought they had enjoyable, self contained storylines.
1:48:26 yo, another thing: Yoda doesn't KNOW which of the visions he's shown are psychological tests or real visions. For all he knows, that was just the force zone fucking with him
I can understand why Darth Maul getting cut in half and surviving would be weird and make no sense. But if we look at different Sith throughout Star Wars it actually makes sense, some Sith have been able to survive off of hatred for years and have basically been zombies before they died. It also makes sense as to why they would bring him back, he was very underutilized and in my personal opinion became one of the best Star Wars The Clone Wars Characters. It also helps that Zabrak's can take a lot more pain than normal species can (I believe it was also stated that if Savage never found him he would have died soon afterward).
Not only that but his wound was cauterized as soon as he was cut so it’s not like he had the chance to bleed out or anything. I just figured it was due to Darth Mauls species and him being a Sith Lord that he was able to survive.
Here is the thing tho, Maul surviving makes no sense. They explained how he came back in a comic and its stupid. He litterally falls into a tank of Plasma. Incase you are not aware, Plasma is one of Naboo's most valuable exports. Maul despite falling into the same contanor that burns his legs into ashes, lives, and then that container along with a full shipment of the most valuable resource on Naboo is then dumped whole onto the trash planet in the show. Why you may be asking? So we can get Maul from point A. to point B. of course. TCW is so trash
@@lba_e_ross2152 Here we go lol, somebody that hates the Clone Wars with a burning passion. That's not what happened though, it's explained that he fell down the shaft and grabbed on to one of the ventilation ducts, then he made his way onto a transport and made his way Lotho Minor. Even if Maul did get more burns other Sith have survived injuries far greater than that by using hatred to survive for years without dying.
Yes, George's involvement i feel it's not as strong as many TCW fanboys claim, especially not as it went along and he became more "done" with the franchise. Though the Padme hint in S7 isn't at all lore breaking, it was very clear Obi-Wan knew deep down about Padme and Anakin's feelings for each other (and it gets hinted a lot in the series itself) after all ther IS a reason why he goes to see Padme then, the "i don't know where to look" was a poor excuse because he simply didin't want to kill Anakin, and it's not like Obi-Wan was supposed to know, it is meant as something that suprised Anakin. The REAL problem with that scene is how the fuck did Anakin not realize that Padme was pregnant before she told him? LMAO.
It wasn't as strong as the fanboys overly exaggerate. George was literally just a creative consultant that said yes or no on things and suggested ideas.
Thanks man. I really love your content. In all honesty, I think you are the best UA-camr when it comes to talking about and analyzing movies, series and video games. Most people making reviews on the internet are just trying to push their own agendas and follow a certain narrative that they know will get them views, like hating on the prequels for example, while your videos are always really honest and unbiased. It really shows that, unlike most other UA-camrs, you are actually passionate about this stuff. You are truly amazing. Keep up the great work ! 👍
I believe the main reason she leaves her lightsaber behind is to pretend as if she died during the crash/Order 66, it's part of the start of the Ahsoka novel. That's not to say there aren't emotions attached to it that she's experiencing but it's more of a necessity (or perceived necessity) until she's ready to maybe do her Fulcrum/rebellion stuff (and also her purifying the dual sabers of an Inquisitor)
99 was a true & pure hearted brother. impressively though his body failed him, he may have been one of the best tactical clones ever bred. The story line even seems to hint at 99 maybe having a hand in helping clones who need a little encouragement, words of wisdom or nudge. ultimately studying his younger brothers, ending with him giving them a tactically fitting name. Helping them understand themselves.I wonder if he had anything to do with Waxer & Boyle. That was a missed origin story. The Duchess was a pacifist not a punk.Try to remember she & Bo are sisters. Same clan same training. possessing the same skills, even if unused & unpracticed. The Duchess was probably 1/3 the warrior that Bo is. Oh yeah! Clancy Brown was also the sick ass Corgan in the 1st Highlander. On the Mortus Gods: Based on what saw in SW Rebels. The Father was the Face. The son & the daughter (Forward & Backwards - Now & Never) they were the hands of the Clock. So strong was their power in the Force, they were able to manipulate Space & Time. That means you can control Reality. The Father tells Obi Ben Doggy as much. I liked the Droid Arc. I wouldn't mind seeing a Col. Meeber Gascon & what's left of D Squad. On the run from the Empire & crossing paths with the Batch & either Gregor, Rex or Calib Duum. Maybe Meebur & D Squad rescued Grogu. lol Can we see Jar Jar face a blaster squad? lol
Well Korriban is well known more in kotor and swtor, but renaming it isnt a problem for me once the old republic ended. Season 6 is still best by my opinion. The mortis arc, season 6 arcs and the rebels 13th and 14th episodes are one of my favourite.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
3:05 - Movie
11:53 - Season One
17:33 - Season Two
33:11 - Season Three
43:13 - Season Four
52:05 - Season Five
1:22:06 - Season Six
2:00:22 - Season Seven
2:41:16 - Conclusion
2:49:40 - Outro
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2:02:38
My thoughts on the ''Dark Magic'' system is that it IS still the force, they just channel it differently. While Jedi and Sith learn direct control, perhaps some other people learned to channel it via weapons or runes, maybe even rituals.
This is confirmed in Fallen Order.
thats because it is. they talk about it in clone wars i believe, or was it rebels? probably both actually. i think maul also mentions it in rebels when bringing ezra to dathomir. but then its also in fallen order.
If Maul wasn't resurrected I don't think he would be one of my favourite characters. I do agree that how he survived should have been explained
It was, in a comic. And its stupid. He litterally falls into a tank of Plasma. Incase you are not aware, Plasma is one of Naboo's most valuable exports. Maul despite falling into the same contanor that burns his legs into ashes, lives, and then that container along with a full shipment of the most valuable resource on Naboo is then dumped whole onto the trash planet in the show. Why you may be asking? So we can get Maul from point A. to point B. of course. TCW is so trash
@@lba_e_ross2152 oh hell no, you didn’t just say the TCW is trash. Let me give you some reasons as to why it’s amazing:
World building
Exciting action
Great character development
Amazing new characters
The lightsaber choreography
The dialogue and banter
The plots and incredible arcs
Ok, it definitely isn’t perfect: there’s some shit arcs/eps, characters and clashes with canon but imo the positives by far outweigh the negatives
Same, it would have been better if we saw the flashback once he got his robotic legs
@The Eye Creature Yeah, they brought him back, thats what ruined him lol
@@jamestrainor4293 1. World building that broke the old world building
2. The action is 50/50 to be honest some of it makes no sense
3. For Ahsoka but not any of the old characters
4. Which usually makes no sense
5. Not really
6. Which are to be honest rare
"We are pirates we don't even know what the means."
Is just one of the best lines in Star Wars period. So simple, yet perfect in execution, and I'm sure Captain Jack would be proud lol.
That line was out of place.
I see that, and I raise you:
"What? He was gonna blow up the ship."
Actually on the Return of the Jedi Commentary Lucas said that Yoda and Obi Wan helped Anakin become an Force Ghost, so I guess you can take the trials as a kind of spirit for a bit before you get turned
Into a part of the Force apparently.
Regarding Rex and Order 66: Keep in mind in Rebels, it is only Rex himself ho claims he didn't betray his Jedi. Fans always speculated if he was genuine, or he was being an unreliable narrator. Not to mention, Ahsoka wasn't strictly speaking his Jedi. She was just an advisor, officially, he was still Anakin's subordinate.
More like the writers forgot about Rebels while writing season 7. For context, Rebels was made to be a spiritual successor to the Clone Wars, even going as far as bringing back some characters and elements, such as Rex, Greggor, and Wolfe, the Darksaber, Maul and his hunt for Kenobi, and an old reactivated Clone Commander wanting to "Finish the Clone Wars."
The problem is that because we have the context of Rebels, going back to Clone Wars kinda felt pointless, mostly for the seasons that are suppose to lead to Revenge of the Sith. I'm grateful that we got the Bad Batch and the Siege on Mandalore arcs, however WITH the context of Rebels, there wasn't much consequences for the important characters because we all knew that Ahsoka and Rex weren't going to die, and Maul eventually meets up with Obi Wan to settle the score, only to die. This also in a sense made Rex's story inconsistent when he told it to Ezra and Kanan (i can't remember who specifically he was telling his story to), because HE STILL CARRIED OUT ORDER 66. He didn't refuse, he followed the order. However Ahsoka saved him by removing his chip.
Long story short, for better or worse, Rebels still played a crucial part on expanding the idea of a group of Rebels fighting against the Empire and tying up loose threads from The Clone Wars. However when trying to circle back to The Clone Wars to finish what was suppose to be released BEFORE Rebels, there's already no more surprises or tension when watching, because we already know what ends up happening. Not to mention that now the writers will have to rewrite or rework certain dialogues and scenes for Clone Wars and Bad Batch in order to stay consistent with the events of Rebels, otherwise there could be more plot holes or "cinema sins" opening up. (I almost threw up from saying that, since Jeremy from Cinemasins tainted it)
@@MasterJunior93 Dude, you don't have to introduce the circumstances for me. I was giving a perfectly plausible in-universe explanation for Rex's lie.
@@Verebazs ahhh, sorry. 😊
He didn’t betray his jedi. Anakin. He didn’t go after Anakin
I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). In TCW, there was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM) and it just seems ridiculous that he survived and he shouldn't be the focus of the Clone Wars in any case. Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often to give us a viewpoint of how other Jedi (in particular Jedi of Anakin's age) behave, or talk to citizens. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change.
Regarding Clone troopers and Order 66, I believe it was shown in the novel "Rise of Darth Vader" (written in the Lucas era) by James Luceno a group of Clone Commandos disobeying the order as they had been bred with a degree of independence unlike the Clone troopers and commanders. You could easily have had Rex being an ARC trooper bred differently and thus not obeying the order. Then you could easily have had a story of him and another small batch of clones helping Ahsoka to escape and some being killed in the process versus the regular troops on board a ship etc.
On the Korriban/Moraband thing - this one's actually on George. They were going to call it Korriban, but he wanted to rename it to Moraband. They handwaved it saying that Moraband is the modern name and Korriban is the more archaic one.
appreciate the info man
So bad
@@anomalyinc3239 Well let's not forget that the name change is easily explained away by the fact that they wanted a means of striking the planet out of its record's, so a simple name change along with making all the information about the planet accessible only to Jedi Masters and the Jedi themselves, would have likely helped prevent newly risen Sith from becoming a threat or impede their path to power long enough for the Jedi to find and kill them.
There are also a ton of other reason why the name change exists that don't have to involve an official use of sources.
@@anomalyinc3239 about Jango origin-it was obvios that Prime Minister would say a lie about Jango( Jango was a separatist, terrorist and the one who trying asassinate Padme-definitly not a man you want to be connect with in front of jedi)
Which makes perfect sense and gives the world more depth. In our world place names change their names also gradually over centuries and millennia. So why not also in the Star Wars universe. The fact that this point is brought up as a point of criticism just illustrates how superficial most of that kind of criticism really is.
I have waited a long time for this moment my little Aussie friend...
I am really eager to hear what he thinks about it!
Just like the fans waited for the Clone Wars finale...
I think the son isn’t the representation of dark side but the representation of the fall to the dark side. He still cares for his sister and father and the dark side is tearing him apart. He is falling to the dark side and the force doesn’t want that because the father stated himself he did what wasn’t allowed for them he chose the dark side and the father much like Obi Wan probably didn’t do much against it because his love was blinding him. Even in his last moments he still loved his father and all he wanted was to leave this world and create a destiny of his own. But that’s just my theory
I'm surprised how well they handled Maul. When you resurrect a character its most often for fan service, but they put in the work.
@@pinheadnate8799 What do you mean ?
@@pinheadnate8799 What series did you watch ?
@@pinheadnate8799 I don't think you're all there buddy.
@@pinheadnate8799 Nope.
@@pinheadnate8799 Lies. You have no basis for this. Deceit !
55:42: "Teaching is a privilege. And it's part of a Jedi's responsibilities to help train the next generation" - Obi-Wan to Anakin, TCW movie. I think Ahsoka was entrusted with the shaperoning the younglings, because it was always part of a Padawan's training to guide the younglings on this journey. Granted that's just my headcanon...
I may not like how TCW disregarded so much of the previously established canon, but even I can say that it is well-written show.
But the old EU was never canon. The whole Canon system was
Anything Made by George
then everything else.
If Anything Made by George superseded something, then it wasn't really canon.
@@REDDAWNproject The EU was a parallel universe to the films 1- 6. George Lucas’s Star Wars or The G-Canon is the first six episodes, and his plans for the sequel trilogy, along with his ideas of what happened before TPM, in Paul Duncan’s new book, so it’s pretty much the equivalent of earth-1 in DC, the first timeline, the prime one. Everything else is alternate timelines and universes. George has been on note saying he was fascinated with Star Treks take on alternate universes in the old 60’s tv show and wanted the EU to be a mirror verse of his films like a sand box for fans to play in and make their own takes on star wars. Basically the equivalent of Earth-2 in The DC universe. So The EU despite all it’s continuity and the writers trying to match their continuity of the books with the six films it was a parallel universe the whole time. To me this just makes the concept of a star wars multiverse apparent so whenever I see a continuity error to 1-6 in anything I can always write it off as an alternate timeline because honestly while morons try to say George is bad with continuity his six films have the best continuity in all star wars projects compared to anything else, especially the new stuff. Ironically the man who idiots claim has bad continuity skills is very good with his continuity when he’s running things.
@@REDDAWNproject um yes it was. And there are multiple sources to prove it
@@REDDAWNproject Wrong. Everything from novels, to comics, to games, it was all considered canon to the larger Star Wars universe, and George made sure it was so. TCW was made when George was focused on other projects which is why it isn't as well integrated in EU.
Graphically it improved over time. I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). There was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM). Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change.
Clone Wars fans: The Clone Wars is some of the greatest Star Wars ever made!
Other Star Wars fans: Oh so why don't I start getting into it by watching the movie -
Clone Wars fans: NO WAIT DON'T TOUCH THAT!
Anomaly: Wow this is really neat!
Clone Wars fans: ... ???
Because, unlike others, Anomaly understands that the complaints about Ahsoka and the plot based about Jabba are dumb if you actually think instead of saying it's stupid right off the bat.
The Clone Wars movie was really some Clone Wars television episodes that were made into widescreen.
@@berranari1 Even then, i think it worked well as a movie introduction
@@orlandofurioso7329 Yeah, I have no problem with it. People criticize it as a "movie". I'm the type of person that generally preferred watching television shows over movies. Except for Star Wars. I used to tell people that movies "steal" 2 hours away from your life whereas tv gave you a steady continuous relationship, which I preferred over a one-night stand. This did not mean that I preferred watching the Terminator tv show over the 1984 movie (which I saw in a drive in when I was 9). But in general, I loved tv more than movies. Of course, I love that a movie feature has more of everything, sound, story, visuals and big movie star actors. Every franchise is different. Star Trek and Lost in Space started as television shows, Star Wars was a movie and Battlestar Galactica was a tv show that began with a feature film. Now all of these franchises have television and movie content. Back to the Clone Wars movie, the idea is much like the start of Battlestar Galactica except that Battlestar Galactica actually made a movie, even the reboot Battlestar Galactica started with a tv movie that was pretty epic. The Clone Wars movie was from the tv series, having said that that Clone Wars tv series was so good that many more of its arcs could be seen as a movie. I love the Ryloth arc.
A bit off-topic, I don't know if you are old enough to remember the transformers movie. Not the live action 2007 movie, but the cartoon one called "Transformers - the movie" from 1986. It was a continuation of the 1984 Transformers animated television series. The movie featured Judd Nelson from the Breakfast Club, Leonard Nimoy as Galvatron and Orson Welles as Unicron. The music was composed by guy who did the music to Rocky IV, Vince DiCola, as well as some great rock tracks including a rock version of the Transformers theme by the rock band Lion. Eric Idle was a voice actor and "Weird" Al Yankovich was also on the soundtrack. The story and animation were more like Japanese animated features than the animation from the Transformers tv show. It felt like a movie, a cartoon movie. Only problem was what happened in the movie made me and many other children (I was 10 or 11), sad and very angry. Yes, the kids got angry! But as an adult I now love that 1986 movie and still watch it. It doesn't matter that it was made to make us buy new toys, not now anyway. In fact, I was glad to see new Transformers toys from that 1986 movie in stores (2018). After all these years they are still trying to make me want to buy more toys. I did want it though. I did not buy it, only because I am old and I don't have time to play with the Transformers I already bought.
Back to Star Wars, the company Hasbro that make the Transformers also make the toys for Star Wars Clone Wars. They also now make all the Star Wars toys, taking over that from Kenner. Hasbro even made Star Wars Transformers, one was a Vader helmet that transformed into Vader's TIE fighter. lol I thought "What the ...?"
Hasbro before Transformers were famous for GI Joe, which is now also a movie franchise starring Dwayne Johnson.
Transformers and GI Joe are not the only franchises that started with toys, there was Action Man, He-Man, Centurions and probably others. He-Man was made by Mattel the same company that makes Barbie. Barbie has tv cartoons and movies, I heard there was a live action movie coming. 20th July 2023.
Darth Maul used the Force all these 10 years in exile to move his metal legs and body. He didn't fight with lightsaber, however, so I agree that he should be worse fighter than in Phantom Menace (and especially than in Darth Maul Apprentice fanfilm, which is my headcanon).
God I wish that fan film was cannon
1:19:23 Eh, no, Ahsoka was NOT written into the final season by Disney. All of the season 7 stories were scripted before Lucas even sold the company. In fact they had 3 complete seasons fully scripted and at various stages of production at the time TCW was cancelled. Siege of Mandalore was always meant to be Ahsoka vs Maul. Ahsoka had at least three more storyline in those 3 seasons, including one where she would've temporarly gone back to the Jedi, after discovering a Sith shrine under the Jedi temple, where she would've narrowly escaped Sidious, and she still would've refused to rejoin the Order.
And how much is known about those scripts and storylines?
I wonder if the Sith shrine arc would still be considered cannon.
Fives' death might be THE most heartbreaking moment in the entire Star Wars saga. I'm not even a huge fan of The Clone Wars - I mostly watched it for Ahsoka and usually skipped episodes that didn't star her - but that moment had me in tears. I think it's because Fives could have saved the entire galaxy - he had all the information he needed to stop Palpatine's plan right then and there but nobody would listen to or believe him - but at the same time, you know that Fives' failure was inevitable. Order 66 was already set in stone by Revenge of the Sith, which in turn was set in stone by the events of the Original Trilogy. It's predestined by the canon so there was nothing Fives could do.
Fives death was probably the darkest moment in the whole series too, considering what he had learned and the fact that he was killed by one of his own brothers. I don't think I've ever seen a children's show where a good guy goes above and beyond, gives it everything he has, and completely fails. In any other children's show, a failure would just be a bump in the road, a moment for growth. Even shows that push the boundaries like Avatar: The Last Airbender aren't brave enough to commit to such a total failure. There's always some ray of hope (Zuko's following Team Avatar after their failure in Day of the Black Sun) or some kind of loophole or deus ex machina (lion turtles and energy bending) but the closest thing to a silver lining we get with Fives' death is that Rex was able to look back on it in order to understand what was happening during Order 66. It still didn't stop the Jedi from being all but obliterated. It saved ONE Jedi out of thousands (and Ahsoka wasn't even an official Jedi at the time) and that was it. The Clone Wars went into outright adult storytelling with Fives because he died staring into a face identical to that of the man who killed him and with the belief that he had failed to save anyone.
"I know what it's like to lose. To feel so desperately that you're right. Yet to fail, nonetheless."
“I’ve waited so many years”-maul
Kevin Keiners soundtrack is so underrated. It isnt Williams tier, but some tracks especially like race you to the surface or burying the dead or the clones are just insanely good
Very true. Also that music when gunships land on Felucia. That's an epic soundtrack.
Regarding Dathomiri magic: It's not a magic system that is different to the Force, the Dathomir Witches (and Nightsisters) simply use the Force differently from Jedi and Sith, their tricks and techniques are similar to Sith Alchemy or Sith Magic in the Nightsister's case, and many powers that define the Dathomir Witches in Legends have their basis on the "Alter Enviroment" branch of Force Powers.
On your issue with satine and obj-wan’s relationship; I think my thoughts on it might help you a bit: the way I look at it is that Obi-wan became the way he did as a direct result of his connection with Satine, and later with Anakin saw him struggling with a similar issue and was being strict to try and help Anakin avoid the pain of having to choose between the two. Sorta like a parents being hard on their child to prevent them making a bad decision
My problems with TCW is with it is conflicting with established canon and the Old EU that came before TCW. Despite these issues I have, I still enjoy TCW very much. Though S7 feels too rushed and a bit too close to Revenge of the Sith. It would have been ideal if we saw Grievous initiate his assault on Coruscant as well the set up to this massive assault. Then I would have been more sold to S7. Excluding the sisters arc, I did like S7 but it is not the absolute best Season or even it’s arcs like the siege of Mandalore that I find to be overrated. My favorite Arc is the Umbara arc, I find that to be the best arc that comes out of TCW. Anyways good job nomz.
I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). There was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM) and it just seems ridiculous that he survived and he shouldn't be the focus of the Clone Wars in any case. Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often to give us a viewpoint of how other Jedi (in particular Jedi of Anakin's age) behave, or talk to citizens. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change.
TCW is a major proponent for why they were easily able to blow up the expanded universe which is a reason why I have a distain for the show
@@delta2372 A lot of it is mediocre and a shadow of what it could have been yes. Chips is beyond nonsensical and nothing to do with what we saw in the movies. There are far better EU books like Labyrinth of Evil and Rise of Darth Vader.
@@darkjediknight2923 indeed, the clones are also much better in the EU, there's an instance in the show where a clone hurts himself punching a droid but EU clones are stronger and more resistant to pain than the average human and could easily punch a B1s head off
@@delta2372 Indeed. Much better in the EU and most importantly they were more reflective of the canon/lore in George's saga.
I'm going to attempt to defend the line "I hope you told Padmé I said hello". I always interpreted this line as him saying that he knows Anakin and Padmé are at least dating. In Revenge of the Sith, when he says "I don't know where to look", I interpret it as he doesn't expect Anakin told her where he was off to because of his turn to the Dark Side and she was his (Obi-Wan's) last resort to find out where Anakin went
Honestly, I almost never disagree with Nomz but I think he's actually wrong about that particular line. I'm not surprised that Obi-Wan had figured it out. Considering Anakin openly told him that he fancied Padme in Attack of the Clones - "I'd much rather dream about Padme. Being around her again is intoxicating" - I think Obi-Wan knew he was in a relationship with her but simply ignored it because he didn't want to get either of them into trouble.
Obi-Wans knowledge of their romance was shown in the original Revenge of the Sith novelization by Matthew Stover, written with - and edited by - Lucas.
48:55 this can be treated as head canon, however there is some evidence to cement how Maul came back. As he puts it, Maul's rage for Kenobi still kept him alive and avoided death, but more or less in a mental limbo; a crazed animal operating out of instinct with minimal or basic cognition. It's possible that he subconsciously use the Force to reassemble his missing body half with mechanical parts, but without a focused mind, he created a spider like body twisted and perverted, not precise and anatomical. Then he fed off other living, like a starving animal desperate for sustenance. However it took Savage and the Nightsisters' dark magic to restore Maul's mind, and with his restored and focused mind, he reshaped his bottom half during the ritual. As for how Maul was able to reconnect with the Force, even though he doesn't have a full body of flesh, his mind is still focused yet also driven by hatred, hastening his reconnection to the Force, but forever handicapping him as you have pointed out.
Impressive work Anomaly and as a fan of the clone wars and the Star Wars saga 1-6 and the old EU thank you. And the quote by Lord Hood at the end was a nice touch. I salute you have a good day mate.
@ Favourite scene? Well that's a tough question I love the Umbara arc. And I really enjoy the banter with Anakin and Obi Wan but then again when it comes to Obi Wan he's my favourite character.
I think the original Clone Wars cartoon stuck more to the established events of the Saga movies (Episodes 1 to 6). TCW had great moments. BUT - There was no need for Maul (which takes away from the events of TPM) and it just seems ridiculous that he survived and he shouldn't be the focus of the Clone Wars in any case. Inhibitor chips was also not in Episodes 2 or 3 and unnecessary for the story to work. The show also would have benefitted from showing us more Jedi (e.g. Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Windu, Cin Drallig etc) more often to give us a viewpoint of how other Jedi (in particular Jedi of Anakin's age) behave, or talk to citizens. And by not having the Separatists constantly show as cartoonishly evil where they actually win on merit for a change. You could have shown how a different Jedi Knight reacts to a galactic citizen being attracted to them as comparison to Anakin. I think you also needed more of Anakin with Obi Wan before Anakin becomes a Jedi Knight. I.e. more of the dynamic duo in action. Also Jabiim from the comics. And more Clone Commandos too!
@ YES that's what I was saying too! The opening of ROTS for instance states there are heroes on both sides. But in TCW, the Separatists are practically the stereotypical cartoon villains. Whereas they should be shown to win battles by being better battlefield commanders, or having the support of the local planetary populace, or perhaps even being morally right versus the Republic/Jedi. Even Count Dooku in the movies is shown to be a highly principled person who is against corruption and has a degree of class and respect for the Jedi. He isn't just pure evil, but has motivations. And Grievous and Obi Wan should not be meeting every other week (nor should Anakin and Dooku). I think we didn't see enough of Anakin and Obi Wan together. And we didn't see enough other Jedi Generals. I'd have loved to have seen more Luminara, Aayla, Shaak Ti, Windu, Vos, Drallig, Master Di etc. I always thought a Jedi like Aayla (someone young) in comparison to Anakin would be interesting. Seeing how they behave versus Anakin who joined the Jedi Order late. I think sometimes the clone troops didn't lose enough. And yes, more nuance was needed. Otherwise, the way it showed the war, the Republic should have won in about a week.
This show makes The Last Jedi shine brighter.
@@pinheadnate8799 lol what?
1:53:10 Filoni didn't choose to complete the Clovis arc for season 6. It was completed and was originally supposed to be the third story-arc of Season 5, they even had release dates for the episodes, IIRC it was supposed to air in the slots of that were ultimately given to the Youngling arc instead. Also the Youngling arc was actually a repurposed pilot from a planned and ultimately scrapped spin-off show, it wasn't supposed to be part of the series proper.
And the Yoda training arc and Sifo Dyas storyline?
@@samlerf Those were always intended to be part of season 6. I don't see your point 'tho. I explained that the Clovis-arc was finished long before Disney pulled the plug, because it was originally intended for Season 5, that why it was included in Season 6, over the Son of Dathomir-arc, which was only in early-production at the time.
@@Verebazs We have to wonder if things would have been finished and presented differently, with gaps filled, too, since Lucas explained it all already in the novels "Labyrinth of Evil" and "Darth Plagueis".
@@Verebazs Oh?, and what's the source?
@@samlerf Labyrinth of Evil and Darth Plagueis are EU novels. They were not made by Lucas, they were written by James Luceno, so they were non-canon to begin with.
Charlie's not going to like this lol. Say bye to your funding Nomz.
Oh don't sweat it, Charlie is on Tico tier anyways
My favorite part about the Maul hallway scene is that he didn't need to rip off that guy's arm. There were already enough clones he could've taken a communicator from. He just wanted to show off
Maul (Of course, I did.)
Also, the Clone, Ridge, has been first seen during the battle of Teth in the movie. Imagine you survive every battle of the war and then get killed by a fucking door
I know I'm late but the reason Baris framed Ahsoka wasn't because she resented Ahsoka but because Letta was going to reveal tp Ahsoka that Baris was the one who bombed the temple. Barris didn't want to betray Ahsoka but she was forced to do it to cover herself. I do agree that it was confusing how she killed Letta though.
Tobh that betrayal arc was pretty bad
How come people are always surprised to discover a character is voiced by Clancy Brown? He has one of THE most recognizable voices. Everyone only knows him as Mr. Krabs or from Starship Troopers, but he's the antagonist in Highlander, he's in Shawshank Redemption, he's in SO many other kids shows and movies like Lex Luthor in SO many cartoons, Gargoyles, The Incredible Hulk, Duck Tales (both original and reboot)... he's literally more than 2 dozen voices in Spyro, and Dr. Cortex in Crash Bandicoot... he's in Venture Bros, *The Mandalorian, Star Wars Rebels,* Thor: Ragnarok...
I feel bad that he's forever a surprise and only recognized as Mr. Krabs, basically.
RIGHT
@@bemasaberwyn55
Whenever I hear him, no matter what kind of accent or voice he's putting on, I hear Clancy Brown. Not even other voice actors get such a lack of recognition despite far less unique voices, and not all voice actors have the same kind of on-screen experience. Never mind how popular basically everything he's in actually is. It's just so crazy to me that someone straight up wouldn't even recognize his voice and require "Mr. Krabs" to make even a weak connection.
He was one of the few redeeming qualities in this awful show.
@@Richard_Nickerson Clancy was also in Avatar the Last Airbender and just recently, Dexter New Blood.
IN UNIVERSE politics are fine can easily boost a series. Shoveling real world politics destroy franchises
Some political issues are universal though.
As long as there are differences between people (or aliens) there can be racism.
As long as there is money there can be economic inequality
As long as there are nations and war there can be imperialism and war crimes.
Making obvious allegories to the real world is tiresome though, like the aliens in Avatar basically being native americans.
@@MrAskmannen i am aware. I meant that in my point as well but it didnt come across clearly. I guess safe politics are fine then
@@peteypiranalover I get what you mean as well. I predict there will be an instance of a space police officer kneeling on an allegory of an african-american in some future star wars media.
@@MrAskmannen I think Xavier is referring to today’s political heat
Exactly Star Wars politics in a Star Wars movie no problem real world politics get that s*** out of my Star Wars it's called a fantasy universe as in not the real world we go into these universes to escape the real world
I really loved talking with everyone in the live chat, this was quite an experience! Wish I could like it twice
The Clone Wars was never just a kids show. It was something bigger, smarter, and I'm glad people are realizing that.
This show was the 1st kind of media I was shown of Star Wars and is why I'm a fan. Just sad we won't ever get a show like that ever in the franchise. Mando and Bad Batch can only dream to being this good.
TCW is garbage that dumbed down the Clone Wars for a kids audience.
@@lba_e_ross2152 uhhhh what?
@@SolarDraws Don't mind him. I've seen him commenting similar stuff bashing TCW
@MAXWELL BRINKER Lol if I said that I must have mispoke or you misread. TCW is hot garbage
2:04:19 Okay, sorry Nomz, but that's a pretty boneheaded, almost Plinkettian level nitpick, considering that in the very next scene after Obi-Wan says "I don't know where to look", he's talking to Padmé, and sneaks upon her shuttle when she leaves Corruscant, not to mention that he confirms he knows Anakin is the father in that very same scene. I think it's pretty safe to say, Obi-Wan was just looking for an excuse, so that he did not have be the one to go after Anakin.
im just glad you used a comparison to plinkett as an insult :), im so proud
@@anomalyinc3239 "But so betrayed" ;)
@@Verebazs haha I was gonna put that but I didnt know if youd get it
@@anomalyinc3239 Second best line out of Hondo, only behind "I'm not as young as I once was, but I'm older!" :D
@ That one's gold too, but the fact that that he says the "I'm not as young..." line, while being escorted by two hot Twi'lek chicks raises it by a few levels above all others.
I liked both versions of Clone wars, but i kind of perfer the old Clone wars cartoon cause it's feels more in line with the prequels timeline, awsome handrawn animation and also the best version of General Grievous we should have have in Revenge of the Sith and in this version of Clone wars cartoon
Eh, I don't know about that one. Now, I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually like Clone Wars Grievous. Now, I also like in the OG series, he was freaking awesome in that show, nobody's going to dispute that. But I feel like the Clone Wars gave Grievous some characterization that he didn't really posess in the movie or the OG show. Now, could they have shown Grievous having more 2003-esque badass moments when he slaughters Jedi like it's nothing? Of course, I absolutely think it's a travesty we didn't see more of that in TCW, but I do think TCW actually fleshes out Grievous' character and who he is a bit better than in 2003.
@@occam7382 Wow, that is an unpopular opinion. I respectfully disagree. Grievous isn't meant to be a fleshed out villain. He was meant to be Dooku's attack dog that did his dirty work. I really dislike how they turned him into a moustache twirling villain. But thats just my opinion. Grievous was also VERY inconsistent when it comes to his power level. One episode, he takes on 3 Jedi Council masters. Another, he is made a fool of by a Jedi Padawan. Another, he gets his ass handed to him by Gungans.
@@edblake476, agreed. Some of the stuff that happens to Grievous is just shameful. If any army would be able to take him down, it should've been the clones, not the Gungans. But I disagree on his character. Grievous being "Dooku's attack dog" just kinda seems wrong to me. It was cool for 2003, but let's be honest, that would get old at some point, and he'd probably be seen as nothing more than a shell of a character meant to kill off impoartant characters when the script demands it. Even if I don't like all the things they did with TCW Grievous, I at least appreciate that he got some character development at all. But I can see where you're coming from, so how about we respectfully agree to disagree?
@@occam7382 Yeah at least we can agree on that. I disagree. Dooku was always meant to be the flushed out villain. I believe that the reason as to why created Grievous in legends was better, as he may have felt some internal conflict from being a Jedi once, So he sends Grievous to do his dirty work. I definitely see where you are coming from though. I think we should agree to disagree also. We both have very valid points, and it has been a pleasure to debate in such a respectful manner. Have a nice day :)
Well to the zillo beast arcs defense it was meant to continue actually, until disney (curse their name) decided to cancel the show before it could
I personally don't believe Obi-wan wasn't aware of Padme and Anakin's relationship. He makes it pretty known throughout the last two prequel movies. The reason he says he "doesn't know where to look" is because he's unable to face the truth of who Anakin now is. He's unable to accept that the Anakin who loves Padme could do what he does with her consent or knowledge. There's no way he's with Padme - in his eyes. And since he's helped keep Anakin's troubles and personal life somewhat secret from the order, he's not about to out Padme in front of Yoda if she isn't responsible for Anakin's turn to the dark side.
But he inevitably swallows those feelings and visits her anyway. Revenge of the Sith shows Obi-wan drifting dangerously close to a path of pure emotion.
Obi-Wan knowing of Anakin’s and Padme’s romance was literally shown in the original Revenge of the Sith Novelization, written with - and edited - by Lucas himself.
Maybe Ashoka was with the younglings because she was showing them what it is like to be a padawan
Another reason is that with many Jedi spread across the Galaxy fighting the War and some of them dead, many Padawans had to be given much more responsibility.
I mean, Ahsoka was a *bratty* teenager when we first saw her and she had to grow up rather quickly into a *mature* teenager.
It's been a while since I saw the episode but from what I remember Yoda brought Ahsoka along to help him and like what Robinson said most Knights and Masters were busy with the Clone Wars so having a Padawan help out on what is ultimately a simple trip to get Kyber crystals is not really crazy.
I get what he’s saying about why would Ahsoka be there but I’ve never really questioned it because I think that arc does a great job of showing how much Ahsoka has matured as a character
@@coolman229 I think there was a separate episode of ahsoka with the younglings and they got attacked by grievous
@@AustenHilton Yeah I know about the other episodes. They all suck. I'm talking about Ahsoka being brought along by Yoda to help the Younglings get their Kyber crystals.
“Disobeying the Council, your expertise is.” - What a savage! 💀
Let us gather together once again.
I don't know what it is, but something about Nomz's voice always sounds slightly angry to me. Probably from watching so much Revenge of the Prequels, lol.
It might be his accent for me lol
Wow! This was a awesome review. You shared quite a bit of my feelings about the show while making me change my mind on a couple of things as well, ie season 5 being my favorite season. Fantastic job as always mate. Keep up the good work. You are doing the internet and me to a extent a big favor.
Wow what a ride. A flawed master piece to be sure. Ugly at times but when it shines it fucking SHINES
that's my thoughts on the review rather than the show haah
I’m just saying Disney you should take note Ahsoka is the prime example of a good female character
Lol a Mary Sue? Yeah they sure took notes alright XD
@@lba_e_ross2152 how is ahsoka a Mary sue?!?
@@lba_e_ross2152 ahsoka is not a Mary sue at all bro.
@UC-SgbVIYdbyFDSYCw8RGXiA by the end of the show she is not 14 anymore
Wait why did it scramble up your username
I didn't think the video would be nearly 3 hours long. I'm impressed with how much time you spent making this.
yeah it was only meant to be 40 minutes
@@anomalyinc3239 long man good
@@anomalyinc3239 it was worth it though. This is hands down my favourite video of yours.
Fun fact: The second episode of the Umbara arc was directed by Walter Murch, whose work includes THX-1138, American Graffiti, the Godfather Saga, Return to Oz and *Apocalypse Now.*
I actually think Darth Maul's resurrection wasn't too problematic. It could have been a tad more explained. But I definitely think it's a very well handled resurrection.
1:41:20
My personal headcanon is, since we can't understand R2D2 and we learn Yoda is just playing a part to test Luke, that R2 could either be like "Yoda, dude, wtf is wrong with you? Don't you remember me? Don't you know who that guy is? Yo, put the food down and listen to me. Why are you hitting me, man!?"
OR
R2 gets it and is just playing along with Yoda.
I don't think Yoda is where R2's involvement falls apart, I think C3PO is the real hole.
Why is C-3PO the real plot hole? He got his memory wiped in Episode III.
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Yeah, and R2 didn't. And then no one cared that they got paired back together, and R2 seems not to have bothered even trying to explain the PT to C3PO during the OT.
@@Richard_Nickerson Yeah, apparently he didin't.
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Which is absurd.
@@Richard_Nickerson that's actually a really interesting point. 🤔
Well in legends it definitely happened because.... Abeloth.
Mortis Arc I mean.
I remember Jensaarai1 saying how while the Mortis Arc might have happened in the EU as well, he likes to think it probably took a different route, framed within the continuity of the old Clone Wars Multimedia Project, without Ahsoka.
I wish the Mortis arc wasn't about the "true purpose" of Chosen One, but instead tied into setting up Abeloth. Like the Ones were trying to recruit Anakin because his potential power was the only one comparable to the Father's. But to help he'd have to leave the Jedi, the Republic, and most importantly, Padmé behind as he'd be forced to live and train on Mortis until the day of Abeloth's inevitable escape. So he refused.
@@corruptangel6793 that would've been cool
@@corruptangel6793 sadly abeloth didn't exist until after those episodes
Gonna have to watch this gradually but you have the timing of the start of the latter CW wrong, it was originally meant to follow the original CW (which is why there are some references to it) and so this CW takes place later in the war after hes been knighted, instead of the beginning. I do agree with assessment of the pilot movie, its fun and nowhere near the worst SW movie.
The problem is that the original animation is unclear as for its timeframe in the war. And they clearly only recognized those volumes instead of everything else. So they could have very easily pushed the events of that story to the forefront of the Clone War. If they even paid attention to that sort of thing. The Battle of Dantooine takes place in season 2 of TCW but in the original animation it happened before Anakin was knighted.
Every source I've heard has put the TCW starting point 2-6 months into the war instead of over 2 years into it like when Legends had Anakin get knighted originally.
@@corruptangel6793
There is one thing that is clear about the passage of time, Anakin is a knight. So either way, it certainly doesn't take place near the beginning of the war.
I want to hear your feelings on the Bad Batch Noms. Personally I love it. I has a real Clone Wars feel to it. Def recommend if you haven't seen it
The New “Bad Batch” episode is really throwing me for a loop. I was enjoying the ride so far but I want them to focus on the characters more and stop having filler. I know people who like rebels really liked it buts it pretty much a Hera backstory with a bad batch cameo. They are already starting to fall into the disney show problem of meandering around to much and not committing to a concrete storyline or developing the characters. If it keeps going like this it will probably have a rushed conclusion.
Noms 🤣🤣
Im using that now lol
@@ToddHoward76 I feel it's trying too hard to tie in with Mando and rebels
After almost half a year he returns with another fantastic video
Edit: what a fantastic review of a great series
When I become a fan of something, it becomes hard to criticize it from my perspective and I have to hear from other people what might be wrong with something, so you talking about the Clone Wars, the good obviously, but also that bad that I had never considered, was really refreshing. Great video!
Same with me! I find myself looking up vids about a source of media that I like in order to see what’s potentially wrong with it. It really makes me feel useless because I can’t form my own opinions on anything unless it’s under the influence of others words…… 😔
On the portrayal of Count Dooku...
"Look how they massacred my boy."
Don't get me wrong, Corey Burton's a great replacement for Christopher Lee as far as the voice in concerned. However, Lee brought so much nuance to Dooku in Attack of the Clones despite only being in the second half of the movie. The moment where he offers Obi-Wan mercy whilst sadly reminiscing about Qui-Gon, the moment where he stops the Geonosis massacre and sorrowfully apologises to Mace Windu, the moment where he spares Anakin and Obi-Wan which is immediately followed by a display of subtle reverence for Yoda despite them being on opposing sides, they all served to create a fleshed out character in a remarkably short period of time. It was a perfect display of less is more and the performance that cemented Christopher Lee as an acting legend in my mind.
The Clone Wars stripped away almost all of Dooku's nuance and turned him into another villain of the week, somebody like Skeletor or Shredder in the 80s He Man and TMNT. The episodes where he's captured by Hondo in particular, despite introducing the loveable Jack Sparrow of Star Wars, served to turn Dooku into a joke. His duels are cool and get better throughout the series - fighting off 3 invisible Nightsisters in his pyjamas was certainly a highlight - but the weight that they carried in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith is gone, partially because duelling Anakin and Obi-Wan became so common that they lost the tension they had in the Prequels. The only time we saw hints of the old Dooku was when he protested against killing Asajj Ventress because he was fond of her but even then, he didn't dare to undermine Sidious, which was something he clearly wanted to do in Attack of the Clones.
TCW is about the monster that the dark side turned Dooku into. And it's in line with Dooku's inner monologs in the Episode III novelization (Matthew Stover, written with - and edited by - Lucas).
So glad that you’ve gone over this. I think Clone Wars has some of the best Star Wars content out there. You can tell it’s made by prequel fans along with the man George himself as a passion project to flesh out the universe and characters. That being said I’m gutted you didn’t go over the Slave arc in S4 and the Obi Wan undercover arc in S4 :(
The clone wars is my personal favorite series of all time. Yes, more than breaking bad (although that is #2). Not perfect, but the peaks are so great (especially the finale) that the lows are largely overlooked. Personally the siege of mandalore arc are the best 4 episodes of tv I have ever seen.
@ 1:40:00 it makes sense to me, as Yoda hears Qui-gon voice for the first time in TCW and then sometime after in ROTS he hear it again and is unfazed due to him probably already being in commune with throughout that time.
Not gonna lie this is one of your best works even the best you did a great job the work payed off. Nomz is back
To be fair, if you accept Anakin survived what happened on mustafar, you can't really say that Maul surviving is that far fetched...
Nomz! As always this is a great retrospective! Very informative and just all around a wonderful video that is truly worth a watch for everyone! 😀👏💯
Ive been excited for this for months, so it isnt a suprise but sure as HELL still welcome
When is “Top 10 Funny Battle Droid Moments”?
On Korriban: apparently Lucas decided that the viewers of the show were too stupid to differentiate the names "Coruscant" and "Korriban", so he asked to make an alternate name that wouldn't sound too much. By the way, Rex was originally going to be the clone captain Alpha from the Clone Wars comics, but, similarly, George decided that having three main characters, whose names started with A was too much.
Labyrinth of evil excuted the Sifo Diyas plot way better where the Jedi were investigating and connecting the dots right before the corasaunt invasion
man that intro.. those where the Serious GOOD years for SW that it may never have again
thank you Teddy Polar Bear papa George
Don't be confused about Jango. Like any political party the pacifist Mandalorians decided to label the group of Mandalorians that saved Jango as a child as either deathwatch or thieves. They didn't want to tarnish their good pacifist name by supporting that particular group of Mandalorians despite before their destruction by the Jedi (an ambush set up by deathwatch) they were honorable soldiers for hire. Of course when word got out Jango's group was framed for killing innocent civilians the pacifist Mandalorians decided to distance themselves from them.
And not to mention I've never known a politician to tell the truth about any damn thing
@@chrono2959 exactly
(sees that the video is almost 3 hours long) "A suprise to be sure but a welcome one"
I can't lie, this has made me very interested into getting back to TCW. Recently, I've been learning more about the Expanded Universe and all the stories it has to tell, especially for this era of Star Wars. However I know there is a bit of a divide with fans of this series and fans of the originally established lore of the Clone Wars multi media project in between episodes 2 and 3.
I think I should give both a try, seeing their respective takes on the Clone Wars.
I grew up with the OG clone wars multimedia project during the 2001-2007 years but TCW is good too.
2:18:45 | The Battle of Lost Apprentices
It *IS* pretty badass!
Minor correction: Ahsoka doesn't know Anakin has turned to the Dark Side until Rebels, so she doesn't know it in the end of TCW, all she knows is that the Republic fell and the Jedi were killed, i say this because it was apparently a suprise when she found out Vader was Anakin, as how she dismissed that part of Maul's prophecy despite the Clones turning against her, no idea, perhaps yet another continuity error, but that said, there's nothing that says she knows about Anakin.
Prob didn't want to be believe the fact that anakin was vader since we see her trauma in the idea anakin falling
She was probably in denial all those years
I've been looking forward to this!
Hello Crosshair, good to see a fellow Commander.
There's a comic that explains maul's survival and how he made it to that planet. regardless though, it doesn't matter. Unlike Palpatine who was resurrected purely out of the desperation of Disney and who already had a full arc, maul had no character, no personality, and was not a "fine" character, get OUT OF HERE with that nonsense, he was a WASTE of an amazing character design and concept, so they brought him back out of George's regret for killing him too early, to make USE of the character and turn him into someone with more purpose in the grand story, and that, be now is.
Also....the mind worms? first off they were all destroyed back in season 2 and Barris was cured obviously..unless ur trying to say maybe she wasn't? but regardless it's still a lame way to make Barris the villain. just make it another character who's guilty
School done and now I have free time to enjoy this
I have some points I agree and disagree with but I want to say you did a fantastic job with this video. Hats off to you my brother 👏
Thanks Angelrin
They do explain how Maul survived briefly in CW and Filoni touches on it too. Basically Maul syphoned the force into himself to keep his body stable long enough to cover his wound with metal and subconsciously made those spider legs as he lost his mind.
A near 3 hour epic video. This gonna be goooood.
12:51 I thought it was because the droid he sent was meant for sabotage and a republic droid would already have more relevant data. Was this before or after the scavenger found him and realized R2-D2 had never been wiped, so he had massive amounts of relevant data? Because I thought that scavenger was trying to sell him to the Separatists because of that.
It was more of a matter of circumstance. The Seps are always looking for information and the junk trader realized he had that in R2, especially when Jedi come personally to look for him. It's not until delivering R2 that they realize the gold mine they stumbled upon.
R3 is specifically referred to as a "spy" so I don't think he was just meant for sabotage.
I don't think Yoda forgot r2 in empire I mean he was playing the role of a mad hermit more I think to test luke, and R2 i don't think would let luke know it was Yoda even if he knew, I mean is it plot convenience and a bit of an asspull sure but as you said in the title mostly awesome. yeah there are some flaws
Why the hell would Yoda remember R2? I don't get why people think characters in the OT have to have a perfect recollection of everything they experienced in the Prequels.
If you had a close neighbor who got a dog that you met and hung out with a couple dozen times over the course of several years, then you move away and 20 years later someone else shows up at your house with that same dog, you telling me you'd recognize it with any certainty? At best you'd think it looked a bit familiar.
As for why Jango Fett was chosen as the clone template, this is semi-explained in a comic where Jango kills several jedi with his bare hands in an incident Dooku was there to see during his time as a jedi. So when the time came to make a clone army of jedi killers, he knew exactly who to look for.
And that comic is why I HATE Death Watch. They were the villains in that comic but were all wiped out by Jango after the fact. In so doing, he avenged his family (who were killed when he was a child), the man that raised him, his comrads, and executed their leader, Vizla, after personally defeating him in one-on-one battle by feeding him to the local wildlife.
Filloni revived that faction and undid everything in that comic.
In the same manner that the "Imperial Dream" is to become rich, travel to Kamino and order a Clone harem of Aayla Securas.
This was a Great Video Nomz, Amazing Job on it
Dathomir Dark Magic is the force. They just use it differently and refer to it differently
I was thinking the same thing. I thought of it as a more 'less modern' version of how the Force was used if that makes sense
I just thought it was some form of sith alchemy. It that's what I assumed it was.
@@rickmalinger5361 the force lightning ability years of practice for dark side users. Maybe the ability gets unlocked through alchemy but not sure. Vader was never able to use the lightning because of his body beijg burned alive. Maul and Ventress dont have enough training. Notice how only the old characters can use it. Palpitine, Dooku, and Yoda
The Jango Fett Mandalorian thing isn't really confusing. The Mandalorians are separated in 3 factions with the Pacifist Mandos, True Mandalorians and the Death Watch. The True Mandalorians and the Death Watch lost the Mandalorian Civil Wars and were banished. Jango was one the True Mandalorians and they were hated very much by Death Watch. Almec had ties with both Pacifist Mandos and the Death Watch and he very lied to Obi Wan to keep face that the Mandalorians aren't returning to their warrior ways and disavowing Jango for being a True Mandalorian. Basically, Almec is a liar.
*“Authenticity determines Canon.”*
Couldn’t agree more my dude👌
Any updates on the next revenge of the Prequels? I love that series😁
not for a while
@@anomalyinc3239 oof can’t wait though:) take your time.
Also: nObOdY iS gOiNg To TaKe My ShIp!-
IT’S LIKE SHE’S FUCKING FIVE!
1:05:19 was my exact reaction to this whole Arc truly a gigachad moment for Maul.
Agreed that the old explanation for Order 66 was much better. It's a shame that George's RELATIVES influenced him to make up the chip story.
Great to see you again Anomaly, keep up the great work
They should have just wiped Yoda's memory in season 6 like they did with Anakin.
Yeah I agree
Glad to see I'm not the only one who enjoyed the earlier seasons of the show! While the movie and season one are a bit flawed in terms of animation, I still thought they had enjoyable, self contained storylines.
I'm not really hardcore fan of Star Wars or the 2008 Clone Wars series, but this video was fantastic dude. Nice work!
Love you Nomz ♥️ and everyone. This was totally worth the wait.👍
1:48:26 yo, another thing: Yoda doesn't KNOW which of the visions he's shown are psychological tests or real visions. For all he knows, that was just the force zone fucking with him
Impressive... Most impressive
I can understand why Darth Maul getting cut in half and surviving would be weird and make no sense. But if we look at different Sith throughout Star Wars it actually makes sense, some Sith have been able to survive off of hatred for years and have basically been zombies before they died. It also makes sense as to why they would bring him back, he was very underutilized and in my personal opinion became one of the best Star Wars The Clone Wars Characters. It also helps that Zabrak's can take a lot more pain than normal species can (I believe it was also stated that if Savage never found him he would have died soon afterward).
Not only that but his wound was cauterized as soon as he was cut so it’s not like he had the chance to bleed out or anything. I just figured it was due to Darth Mauls species and him being a Sith Lord that he was able to survive.
@@justfriends7581 How does he poop without dying from bleeding and losing his organs?
Darth Sion comes to mind, his body was falling apart but his hatred held him together.
Here is the thing tho, Maul surviving makes no sense. They explained how he came back in a comic and its stupid. He litterally falls into a tank of Plasma. Incase you are not aware, Plasma is one of Naboo's most valuable exports. Maul despite falling into the same contanor that burns his legs into ashes, lives, and then that container along with a full shipment of the most valuable resource on Naboo is then dumped whole onto the trash planet in the show. Why you may be asking? So we can get Maul from point A. to point B. of course. TCW is so trash
@@lba_e_ross2152 Here we go lol, somebody that hates the Clone Wars with a burning passion. That's not what happened though, it's explained that he fell down the shaft and grabbed on to one of the ventilation ducts, then he made his way onto a transport and made his way Lotho Minor. Even if Maul did get more burns other Sith have survived injuries far greater than that by using hatred to survive for years without dying.
50:46 I was hoping you would say that. Apparently some people didn't care for it, but personally, I loved the re-introduction.
Yes, George's involvement i feel it's not as strong as many TCW fanboys claim, especially not as it went along and he became more "done" with the franchise.
Though the Padme hint in S7 isn't at all lore breaking, it was very clear Obi-Wan knew deep down about Padme and Anakin's feelings for each other (and it gets hinted a lot in the series itself) after all ther IS a reason why he goes to see Padme then, the "i don't know where to look" was a poor excuse because he simply didin't want to kill Anakin, and it's not like Obi-Wan was supposed to know, it is meant as something that suprised Anakin.
The REAL problem with that scene is how the fuck did Anakin not realize that Padme was pregnant before she told him? LMAO.
It wasn't as strong as the fanboys overly exaggerate. George was literally just a creative consultant that said yes or no on things and suggested ideas.
@@ironinquisitor3656Though i will say you can clearly see that in his absence the consistency fell apart hard.
@@orlandofurioso7329 Indeed.
2:44:06 Honestly the droids in the Clone Wars and their dialogue reminds me of the grunts in Halo.
Excellent comparison
Thanks man. I really love your content. In all honesty, I think you are the best UA-camr when it comes to talking about and analyzing movies, series and video games. Most people making reviews on the internet are just trying to push their own agendas and follow a certain narrative that they know will get them views, like hating on the prequels for example, while your videos are always really honest and unbiased. It really shows that, unlike most other UA-camrs, you are actually passionate about this stuff.
You are truly amazing. Keep up the great work ! 👍
@@konstantinosxenos8028 thanks my dude much appreciated
I believe the main reason she leaves her lightsaber behind is to pretend as if she died during the crash/Order 66, it's part of the start of the Ahsoka novel. That's not to say there aren't emotions attached to it that she's experiencing but it's more of a necessity (or perceived necessity) until she's ready to maybe do her Fulcrum/rebellion stuff (and also her purifying the dual sabers of an Inquisitor)
99 was a true & pure hearted brother. impressively though his body failed him, he may have been one of the best tactical clones ever bred. The story line even seems to hint at 99 maybe having a hand in helping clones who need a little encouragement, words of wisdom or nudge. ultimately studying his younger brothers, ending with him giving them a tactically fitting name. Helping them understand themselves.I wonder if he had anything to do with Waxer & Boyle. That was a missed origin story. The Duchess was a pacifist not a punk.Try to remember she & Bo are sisters. Same clan same training. possessing the same skills, even if unused & unpracticed. The Duchess was probably 1/3 the warrior that Bo is. Oh yeah! Clancy Brown was also the sick ass Corgan in the 1st Highlander. On the Mortus Gods: Based on what saw in SW Rebels. The Father was the Face. The son & the daughter (Forward & Backwards - Now & Never) they were the hands of the Clock. So strong was their power in the Force, they were able to manipulate Space & Time. That means you can control Reality. The Father tells Obi Ben Doggy as much.
I liked the Droid Arc. I wouldn't mind seeing a Col. Meeber Gascon & what's left of D Squad. On the run from the Empire & crossing paths with the Batch & either Gregor, Rex or Calib Duum. Maybe Meebur & D Squad rescued Grogu. lol Can we see Jar Jar face a blaster squad? lol
Well Korriban is well known more in kotor and swtor, but renaming it isnt a problem for me once the old republic ended. Season 6 is still best by my opinion. The mortis arc, season 6 arcs and the rebels 13th and 14th episodes are one of my favourite.
Fantastic fucking video return after the hiatus or however you spell it. Its like when clone wars came back fir season 7
I can realistically believe that S7 Maul is at the same level or a little higher then Phantom Menace Maul after all of his recovery