Those Are not templars. Templars are those with white robes and red cross. How did you not know that. Thats like their main thing. They are kinda known for it
I see why Baldwin wanted to join the march, if he wasn't there there will be a massive battle at Kerak. He knows he can talk sense to Saladin. If other than Baldwin lead the army, I see the battle happening.
In our history book, Baldwin is a skilled king who won against a large army of muslims. That's why Saladin is wise on negotiating with him. He is one of the reasons why we Syrians never underestimate small force.
Turns out... an army carrying the Lord's cross, CAN be beaten. And beaten SOUNDLY. Arrogance was their undoing. LOVE this movie. Absolutely stunning cast. Best actor to play Saladin that I've ever seen as well.
@@Roman-oh7xc numbers doesn't mean shit when spears can't penetrate their heavy cavalry armor. Those heavy cavalry really carried the Christians against the more agile and lighter armored. Same in the arabaian crusades and in the Ottoman vs balkans wars. European metallurgy was just better (rip Damascus steel). But nevertheless you saying Muslims got outclassed even whilst outnumbered isn't simply true. It was the heavy cavalry, always was.
@@TEMPLARKILLER2010 And yet even with them, not a single Crusade actually succeeded. In the end they all failed and fell back, so I guess numbers really do matter over enough time.
@@perrywilliams5407Superstition is the opposite of Faith. Where faith is a trust in God, superstition is a replacement in its absence. I get you want to insult the religion but maybe understand the definition of the terms you use first, perhaps?
@@NekiLik2351Thus, again, as OP stated, if it was truly God's will, and any army bearing the cross of Christ cannot be beaten, and they truly believed this, why send so many?
it’s bad enough today but think about how frustrating it was back then. if you’re a Christian and you’re wrong, just call the other person a blasphemer and that’s it
"An army of Jesus Christ, bearing the True Cross, cannot be beaten!" Not only is it not the true cross, they had been beaten a good few times before then.
Going to war against Saladin at that time isn't clearly the best idea Guy and his officers had. They have the best and skilled king and knights but still outnumbered. No wonder Tiberias is so against it, he's clearly using his brain.
The black with white are the knight hospitaller who still exist today an the Blue robes unfortunately was simply a costumers choice for all the regular knights of the kingdom in the film so you could easily recognise who everyone was not a real order sorry lol.
@@perizzasalem4994 Yes hospitalia was the word in Latin which became ospital in old French means a house for the needy it’s the origin word of hospital, hostel, hotel and hospice. Also no it didn’t if you mean the aid organisation it’s basically just a inverted Swiss flag because of the original Geneva convention Geneva being in Switzerland it has no intentional religious meaning also the knights hospitaller always used a white cross it was the Knights Templar who used a red cross on white background.
Hollywood numbers to assemble 200,000 men to take over the Crusader kingdoms would be overkill. But no one in that part of the world would or could field an army that massive
God gave you a mind to use it in situations like this. Just because you carry a cross doesn’t mean he intends for you to always win, sometimes he wants you to really think about the situation and not do stupid shit.
One of the oldest follies of mankind: "Our army is blessed by god and can NEVER be defeated" Many a defeated army of many a forgotten god has made that mistake
The never ending discourse between saber rattlers with their financial backers and 'Men of Peace.' Sometimes the best thing a Man of Peace can do,..is not join the death parade. Let PAIN educate where words fail.
a rather historically inaccurate one at that, cant accept a cool scene for a cool scene, instead having to remember their past religious trauma (their mother forced them to pray an our father before eating) and bash on christianity.
@@apan990 It's extraordinarily inaccurate, the Crusades' were not as black and white as this movie presents it. And the First Crusade by the Christians was very, very warranted. And that's coming from an Atheist.
@@chalk1415 yep, for some reason people have this idea that the original purpose of the crusades were that a bunch of white colonialists go out to oppress poor innocent muslim peasants simply minding their own business.
There is a difference between murder and killing, killing, in self defense or in war with an enemy is not a sin, but murdering an innocent person is a big sin. Hope this clear it up.
@@The-christian-state I dunno. The 'rules' in the Bible are less consistant than English grammar or spelling rules. The holy book of Submission is slightly better, sure, but it's still not what I'd call a comprehensive and internally coherent code either.
@@Deridus But still, the bible does allow for killing in certain situations. Don't get me wrong, killing is still not something one should do, can it be avoided.
@@The-christian-state It doesn't help that we have multiple different words to denote the reason/cause/intent for the ending of a life. 'Shall not kill,' for example, is too vague, especially when the whole of the commandment isn't being uttered.
I like the movie but the way they show the Knights Templar in this is actually disgusting and completely inaccurate, they were actually really good people irl.
See this? The Crusades, which is partially what this film is about, was like this. THIS, along with many other events, is why the CHURCH is never going to be in charge of anything ever again. Well, that, and actual science. While the Crusades DID have the result of certain knowledge being brought to Europe (astronomy, anatomy, math, etc etc) the bloody DAMAGE was incalculable.
i love it how everyone and their nan knows this film is wildly historically inaccurate (still great movie imo) yet still ppl bring it up as an argument as to why they think christianity is evil. also, the church is in charge of an entire nation, and the largest non governmental charity organization in the world, not to mention has been paving the way for science for almost 2000 years. and finally, going off of your name and pfp, i presume to be female, had the crusades not been launched, as much of a failure as they were, you wouldnt even be allowed to type this message because youd be too busy cooking and cleaning for your imam husband along side his 3 other wives. so id be careful before i start bashing the men, no matter how evil some were, who fought to keep islam out of europe.
@@apan990no but the use of religion and the power of the church gave rise to the enlightenment which I could argue was the start of how our modern society works. the widespread violence and instability caused by religious strife led intellectuals to strongly advocate for religious tolerance, reason, and the separation of church and state, forming the core principles of Enlightenment thought. I’m not saying religion and the church haven’t done good things but church and state was separated for good reason. They caused devastating wars for religious differences that caused widespread societal instability. Again they lost their spot for a reason cause they devastated Europe for frankly intolerant and petty reasons. So while they may be the biggest NGO in the world right now, they aren’t controlling shit for a reason. It’s good they do a lot now but we can’t forget history. They fucked up Europe bad for petty ass reasons and it was so bad it caused a social, political and scientific revolution. The church at that time were religious warmongering fanatics that fueled wars. So ya they do good now but let’s not forget history here ok.
@@apan990 Saying that the Crusades are the reason why Europe isn't Muslim today is the wildest take I've ever heard regarding this topic. There are 700 years between the last big crusade and today. The siege of Vienna by the Ottomans was much more recent and was completely independent of crusading efforts centuries earlier. Yes, history is continuous and historical events still influence our world today, but a conclusive and definitive statement about 700 year old affairs like yours is just plain silly.
The Roman empire (Indoeuropean) became Christian in the early 4th century. This is over 600 years later. Paganism is what lead to the chaos during the 3rd century.
@@garretfox7807 constantine moving the capital of the empire the subsequent loses plus hundreds of years of corruption is what lead to the chaos of the 3rd century not paganism
It is this kind of "God wills it" horsesh!t that rots the religious mind. When talking sense is declared blasphemy, people die for stupidity, not glory or righteousness.
“An army of Jesus Christ, bearing the True Cross, cannot be beaten!”
Battle of Hattan: And I took offense to that
They Said "BET"
Hattin, not Hattan.
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You just sent a hundred thousand people googling.
They weren’t carrying the true Cross AND the fought for themselves and not God’s principles.
cause they didn't have the TRUE cross
That blue drip is so cool that it makes the templar look like dorks
Those Are not templars. Templars are those with white robes and red cross. How did you not know that. Thats like their main thing. They are kinda known for it
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That's what he said. The guy in blue makes the Templars look like dorks.
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@17MrLeon Reading comprehension ain't a thing in your house eh?
How expensive would that blue tunic have been?
@@17MrLeon ya thats what i said
I see why Baldwin wanted to join the march, if he wasn't there there will be a massive battle at Kerak. He knows he can talk sense to Saladin. If other than Baldwin lead the army, I see the battle happening.
In our history book, Baldwin is a skilled king who won against a large army of muslims. That's why Saladin is wise on negotiating with him. He is one of the reasons why we Syrians never underestimate small force.
@@ArabPenguinofSyria nice! respect among men, even enemies
It’s not historically corect scene. Saladin made siege of Kerak but failed.
Turns out... an army carrying the Lord's cross, CAN be beaten. And beaten SOUNDLY. Arrogance was their undoing. LOVE this movie. Absolutely stunning cast. Best actor to play Saladin that I've ever seen as well.
Well in the end all fresh needs water just like any car needs oil
Funny how crusaders beat the Muslims when out numbered 4 to 1 time and time again….
@@Roman-oh7xc reddits seething army forgets this when it shows up to YT
@@Roman-oh7xc numbers doesn't mean shit when spears can't penetrate their heavy cavalry armor. Those heavy cavalry really carried the Christians against the more agile and lighter armored. Same in the arabaian crusades and in the Ottoman vs balkans wars. European metallurgy was just better (rip Damascus steel).
But nevertheless you saying Muslims got outclassed even whilst outnumbered isn't simply true. It was the heavy cavalry, always was.
@@TEMPLARKILLER2010 And yet even with them, not a single Crusade actually succeeded. In the end they all failed and fell back, so I guess numbers really do matter over enough time.
Baldwin IV was a BEAST!
What an amazing movie. Encouraged me to look up some history. It was brutal. We are a race of inhumanity and brutality. God help us all
"An army tof Jesus Christ, bearing the true cross, cannot be beaten".
When why send 100,000 soldiers , just send 100 men with the cross
The idea is not that God will just do whatever you want, but that if you truly try and fight with everything for a good cause He will be on your side.
@@NekiLik2351 That idea was then, and is now, called one thing: superstition.
@@perrywilliams5407Superstition is the opposite of Faith. Where faith is a trust in God, superstition is a replacement in its absence. I get you want to insult the religion but maybe understand the definition of the terms you use first, perhaps?
@@NekiLik2351Thus, again, as OP stated, if it was truly God's will, and any army bearing the cross of Christ cannot be beaten, and they truly believed this, why send so many?
@@joshpotts7640 Because God doesn't give 100 Men a force field.
it’s bad enough today but think about how frustrating it was back then. if you’re a Christian and you’re wrong, just call the other person a blasphemer and that’s it
Sounds like a while other group calling people antisemitic too
That happens on a daily basis in Pakistan today.
Look it up.
thats what fanatism was about
@farhandahan7822 is*
Just call him a blasphemer back
Priest most iconic words: "Blasphemy" and that let's convert to islan scene
Tiberias was wise and accurate with his words.
"An army of Jesus Christ, bearing the True Cross, cannot be beaten!"
Not only is it not the true cross, they had been beaten a good few times before then.
Going to war against Saladin at that time isn't clearly the best idea Guy and his officers had. They have the best and skilled king and knights but still outnumbered. No wonder Tiberias is so against it, he's clearly using his brain.
Ignorance and arrogance shall always be lethal combination.
Reynald the man who doomed Jerusalem.
No Army is unbeatable, bearing cross or whatever the fuck. Every army that thought so didn't live long enough to regret it.
I need to find the extended cut and watch it
when you find it lmk been trynna find that mf for years
i was waiting for the growl " SILENCE!" and you cut it!!
Ah you cut Tiberius - silence growl
The best growl in the history of the cinema 😂
Marton Csokas was so hateable in this role, but Brendan Gleeson's character made him more palatable 😬
Not understanding the scope of how many men 200k is crazy.
It wasn't that many men. I understand it was probably purposely put into the script, but many times contemporary sources would overinflate numbers
Csokas makes such a great bad guy!
I know the white and red robes are templar's, but the ones in blue, anyone know who they were? Drip is immaculate
The black with white are the knight hospitaller who still exist today an the Blue robes unfortunately was simply a costumers choice for all the regular knights of the kingdom in the film so you could easily recognise who everyone was not a real order sorry lol.
@@henners8910is it true hospitaler is the origin name of hospital and red cross originally from their order?
@@perizzasalem4994 Yes hospitalia was the word in Latin which became ospital in old French means a house for the needy it’s the origin word of hospital, hostel, hotel and hospice. Also no it didn’t if you mean the aid organisation it’s basically just a inverted Swiss flag because of the original Geneva convention Geneva being in Switzerland it has no intentional religious meaning also the knights hospitaller always used a white cross it was the Knights Templar who used a red cross on white background.
Top 5 movie
Hollywood numbers to assemble 200,000 men to take over the Crusader kingdoms would be overkill. But no one in that part of the world would or could field an army that massive
God gave you a mind to use it in situations like this. Just because you carry a cross doesn’t mean he intends for you to always win, sometimes he wants you to really think about the situation and not do stupid shit.
We have a cross so we instawin! If life was that easy you wouldn't need an army.
One of the oldest follies of mankind: "Our army is blessed by god and can NEVER be defeated"
Many a defeated army of many a forgotten god has made that mistake
The king that gave his life so the battle wouldnt happen unfortunately it still happened thanks to his successor
The never ending discourse between saber rattlers with their financial backers and 'Men of Peace.' Sometimes the best thing a Man of Peace can do,..is not join the death parade. Let PAIN educate where words fail.
We must reform the templar knights in Europe.
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And all those Christians while being defeated still not believing it could happen.
“God wills it!”
Does He now? When and where did He say that?
Man I despise zealots..
Ya'll forget
This is a movie
Chill
a rather historically inaccurate one at that, cant accept a cool scene for a cool scene, instead having to remember their past religious trauma (their mother forced them to pray an our father before eating) and bash on christianity.
Yes, but not entirely fake as this type of nonsense really happened and still happens to this say
@@apan990 It's extraordinarily inaccurate, the Crusades' were not as black and white as this movie presents it. And the First Crusade by the Christians was very, very warranted. And that's coming from an Atheist.
@@chalk1415 yep, for some reason people have this idea that the original purpose of the crusades were that a bunch of white colonialists go out to oppress poor innocent muslim peasants simply minding their own business.
When you take advantage of god name. He will abandoned you
No wonder why the templars fall against the assassins
Is it me or does that guy with the scar on his face looks like Brom from Eragon movie?
LOVE The Templars!!!
God wills it. Funny.
Fr
Deus Vult is a much better battlecry than God Wills it.
@@swang30Of course but if movie was in latin would you understood anything doubt it
Criminals since the beginning what happened to thou shall not kill
All the parts in both religions' holy books that order them to do so, perhaps?
There is a difference between murder and killing, killing, in self defense or in war with an enemy is not a sin, but murdering an innocent person is a big sin. Hope this clear it up.
@@The-christian-state I dunno. The 'rules' in the Bible are less consistant than English grammar or spelling rules. The holy book of Submission is slightly better, sure, but it's still not what I'd call a comprehensive and internally coherent code either.
@@Deridus But still, the bible does allow for killing in certain situations. Don't get me wrong, killing is still not something one should do, can it be avoided.
@@The-christian-state It doesn't help that we have multiple different words to denote the reason/cause/intent for the ending of a life. 'Shall not kill,' for example, is too vague, especially when the whole of the commandment isn't being uttered.
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I like the movie but the way they show the Knights Templar in this is actually disgusting and completely inaccurate, they were actually really good people irl.
This movie is a great movie. It does, however, make Christians look barbaric and Muslims look peaceful and wise. They were equally both.
Deus vult !!! Age of empire
I loved the movie. But how religion is used by both sides for war. Both believe in God. Why not look at his commandments
Great Hollyweard production, just don't take a history test based only on what you see and hear on the 'silver screen'.
Were the Templars really that "stupid" though ? At this period ?
See this? The Crusades, which is partially what this film is about, was like this. THIS, along with many other events, is why the CHURCH is never going to be in charge of anything ever again. Well, that, and actual science. While the Crusades DID have the result of certain knowledge being brought to Europe (astronomy, anatomy, math, etc etc) the bloody DAMAGE was incalculable.
The ignorance you're speaking is laughable
i love it how everyone and their nan knows this film is wildly historically inaccurate (still great movie imo) yet still ppl bring it up as an argument as to why they think christianity is evil.
also, the church is in charge of an entire nation, and the largest non governmental charity organization in the world, not to mention has been paving the way for science for almost 2000 years.
and finally, going off of your name and pfp, i presume to be female, had the crusades not been launched, as much of a failure as they were, you wouldnt even be allowed to type this message because youd be too busy cooking and cleaning for your imam husband along side his 3 other wives.
so id be careful before i start bashing the men, no matter how evil some were, who fought to keep islam out of europe.
@@victoriadiesattheend.8478 You'd be a slave to a muslim today if it were not for the crusades
@@apan990no but the use of religion and the power of the church gave rise to the enlightenment which I could argue was the start of how our modern society works.
the widespread violence and instability caused by religious strife led intellectuals to strongly advocate for religious tolerance, reason, and the separation of church and state, forming the core principles of Enlightenment thought.
I’m not saying religion and the church haven’t done good things but church and state was separated for good reason. They caused devastating wars for religious differences that caused widespread societal instability.
Again they lost their spot for a reason cause they devastated Europe for frankly intolerant and petty reasons. So while they may be the biggest NGO in the world right now, they aren’t controlling shit for a reason. It’s good they do a lot now but we can’t forget history.
They fucked up Europe bad for petty ass reasons and it was so bad it caused a social, political and scientific revolution.
The church at that time were religious warmongering fanatics that fueled wars. So ya they do good now but let’s not forget history here ok.
@@apan990 Saying that the Crusades are the reason why Europe isn't Muslim today is the wildest take I've ever heard regarding this topic. There are 700 years between the last big crusade and today. The siege of Vienna by the Ottomans was much more recent and was completely independent of crusading efforts centuries earlier. Yes, history is continuous and historical events still influence our world today, but a conclusive and definitive statement about 700 year old affairs like yours is just plain silly.
Saladin 200,000 soldiers is BS he barely raised 30,000 for the battle of Hatin and that with the forces of Egypt and Syria 😂
How these Pagans after converting ro Christianity become religious fanatics totally forgetting about their own Indo European religion and culture.
The Roman empire (Indoeuropean) became Christian in the early 4th century. This is over 600 years later. Paganism is what lead to the chaos during the 3rd century.
@@garretfox7807 constantine moving the capital of the empire the subsequent loses plus hundreds of years of corruption is what lead to the chaos of the 3rd century not paganism
"God wills it!" is the most cursed phrase ever pronounced
Jesus in Heaven: Idiots 🤦☕
The Crusade, atleast the first one, was justified.
It is this kind of "God wills it" horsesh!t that rots the religious mind. When talking sense is declared blasphemy, people die for stupidity, not glory or righteousness.
Ah religion,good tool used by mortal to push their own agendas
Meanwhile, Militiant atheist killed more people in 50 years than all religious militiant combined in 10,000 years 😂
Jesus warned of religion
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@@SavedByFaith9981 avg non denominational american protestant who probably thinks Jesus flew into jerusal... sorry, austin, texas, on an eagle.
@@apan990 "Jesus was actually an aryan in Missouri" ahh
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