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i don’t know what type of construction work the step dad does, but once i heard he was a construction worker, my first thought was “the police need to search the construction site.” you just always hear about bodies dumped at sites. a convenient job if you ask me
I think it would benefit you to spend some time in other areas of the country & to talk to people of varying ages if you're going to analyze peoples' statements. More than once I've heard you comment on how suspicious something sounds although it's just a "southernism" or turn of phrase that you're not familiar with. I just think that it would give you more credibility if you'd run it by someone before recording. Not trying to be mean - just helpful.
“Put the dogs up” doesn’t necessarily have to mean “put the dogs in the room above the garage”; when I was growing up “put the dog up” meant “put the dog in his kennel” which was in my parents’ bedroom. edited to add: I grew up in Georgia and the Midwest, so it may be a regional thing.
From horror stories I've heard about barrack conditions, I wouldn't doubt it. Rooming with asbestos would make any sane person consider marriage pretty quick to get out of that situation.
@@Arzon527 Honestly cant blame anyone for it, one of my friends from highschool got married to her closeted gay best friend so they could both have a better life, she got to travel with him to the different bases and take online college classes, he didnt have to risk getting outed or getting assaulted in the barracks. Spent about 6 or 8 years "married" and then got a no fault divorce when he got out, now shes married with kids and hes out and proud.
@@Arzon527 idk I didn’t really have the problem with the barracks. You made it your own little escape and it was bearable. As long as you kept it clean you wouldn’t get messed with
"I won't tell you how many shoes he has, but police confirmed they were all present" how in the world can someone make the number of *shoes* someone has sound so suspicious without combusting on the spot?
I couldn’t even guess how many pairs of shoes my kids have. ALOT would be my only answer. It doesn’t seem like he had much in that home. I’m still holding out hope that he’s alive and living a better life.
@@WhitFyffe yeah I'm with you, kids usually have an unholy amount of shoes, they probably didn't want anyone to know that he only had one pair of sneakers. No rain, winter or summer shoes, or even different slippers for the house.
as an autistic woman, i think it’s entirely possible that katie, herself, is on the spectrum. it’s a heritable disorder and all too frequently overlooked in women. i wasn’t diagnosed until i was 28. the rocking back and forth, the lack of eye contact, and the seemingly inappropriate emotions displayed during their interviews are all symptoms of autism. i’m not saying that this necessarily absolves her of any involvement in sebastian’s disappearance, but details like this may seem suspicious to people folks who don’t have experience interacting with autistic women. allistic women typically do not mask in social situations, so when autistic women do, we can be seen as having something to hide. that said, this case IS suspicious af. i don’t trust chris at all, and the withholding of certain details about sebastian’s care on katie’s end is… concerning to say the least.
Yeah, I came to the comments to say the same thing. It doesn't absolve her of possible involvement, but the lack of eye contact on her part doesn't strike me as suspicious, and some of the weirder comments she makes strike me as just not communicating well under pressure. It would also make her more of a target for an abuser.
Agreed. My sister is autistic and most people have no clue when meeting her unless they're also related to someone with autism or if they are working in a field that helps those sorts of children. My sister is an adult and still slips up every once in a while and says something hurtful without realizing it. She will say something like 'Wow you really missed out on a great party' when I wasn't even invited to it lol. She doesn't get how to be mean purposefully, she's never been vindictive or a bully like a lot of women can be, so I know that its something to do with her communication getting a bit mixed up and not anything untoward. She was also one to stay in a relationship with a very abusive boyfriend for a long time, and I remember many conversations with her explaining that the things he was doing were not mistakes or misunderstandings, that he was being purposefully manipulative. Like you said, that doesn't absolve the mother in this case of responsibility or that she's not being dodgy and lying, but I just wanted to explain to another angle regarding the thought process or habits of an autistic relative.
Yeah, these were my thoughts exactly. Her mannerisms were very similar to how autism often presents in women. She's late 40s if I were to guess, so she never would have been tested as a young adult, no one really knew about Autism back when she was young. Detecting it in women is already harder, and people tend to get better at masking it as they get older. It's pretty surprising for a lot of people to find out that their "weird aunt alice" or whatever is autistic. Before the last 20 years or so, it was just the "weird" relative. There's a whole mess of misconceptions that autism is some new thing, nah it's only in recent years that we have a word for this conditions that's probably always been around. There's still so much we don't understand about how human brains work, we really are only in the early days of mental health.
To answer why the police haven't called the stepfather out on his inconsistencies. In cases where the police have a strong reason to suspect someone they often withhold their suspicion publicly and from said person while gathering the necessary evidence. This cultivates a false sense of comfort in the person and encourages them to do things like grant interviews to the media. That way, when the police are prepared to show their hand, they'll be laying out the physical evidence to a person who's voluntarily talked themselves into an inescapable corner. Half the leg work is potentially done, and the suspect's earlier confidence is torn away to such a degree that they're much more likely to panic during the interrogation.
I think they should arrest the mother for murder. She will start talking, because she won't want to go to jail for life. Then they can release her if she offered up the real truth. (unless she confesses of course)
@@mobileasaurus I realize that they need probably cause - but maybe she doesn't. I would arrest her on 'suspicion'. I have seen that done before. I just thought if they could scare the heck out of her she might start talking. I realize there are a lot of comments here to read, but some people are commenting from the area. Saying - Why was Sebastian taking out the garbage with a flashlight - they happen to know where all the light switches in the house are - including the ones that light up the outside...and why were exterior light bulbs removed...etc. etc. I just thought if some MORE pressure was applied to the mother - the truth might be forthcoming.
As an autistic person i can say, the fact that absolutely NOTHING is missing is really suspicious. Most autistic people have a special interest tor some sort of comfort object, that if he had left willingly, he would definitely have taken with him. (When i was 13 it was my DS, i would never leave the house without it) So when you said his phone, switch and all his belongings were at home... that is strange
How do you spell l i a r? LIAR? How do you spell two l i a r s? LIARS? How do you spell f a i r y t a l e? Put the two together and what do you get? LYING FAIRYTALE! A story that lacks any credibility to rational people. Seems that local L.E. like FAIRYTALES.
yeah, fr I'm autistic and I have a set of very specific things that I always take whenever I go out, I even put them in specific pockets. There's no way this kid just left without taking anything
Same. Mine is my headphones, can't stand being out without them. Even if I don't listen to anything, I'll have them so people are less likely to talk to me
I'm not autistic and FFS I won't leave my home without my phone and pocket knife, although I never really use either of those outside of home 😂 so Yeh it's really strange IMO.
They lost me when Chris in one of his narcissistic soliloquy’s said “heh heh we were joking about how he always wanted to be a ninja and now - POOF! Gone!” … that is NOT what two normal, innocent people say about their missing child. He’s both overconfident and incredibly stupid to think people wouldn’t see the bizarreness of that statement. Edited to add he said this more than a week after his unmedicated barefoot stepson “vanished from his home”.
@@jahimuddin2306 The fact that the mother went off on a tangent about her weird food choices when discussing *her* *own* *son* who has been missing for weeks (Going back to check, that interview actually happened three weeks after he went missing. Her disabled teenage son had been missing for almost a *month* and yet she goes off on tangents about cooking when speaking about him) and could possibly not be alive anymore is one of the most baffling things i've ever seen in a case like this. The only thing that could make it stranger is if it turns out that they're not responsible and she really is that scatterbrained, because that was just on another level.
Katie is the main one who should be questioned by LE cause by there story Chris wasn’t home. We all know he was there. In every interview they say WE over & over plus she asked Chris in that one interview she said to get your niece right? He shakes his head yes. Where’s Sebastian Katie 💚💚💚 & Chris helped get rid of him, IMO allegedly 🥺
@@jaxsmom8542I think if it were me I'd be so fearful of where the hell is my kid all else would go out the window , finding my kid would be #1 priority,not what UA-camrs said or think of me .
I think what she meant by "put the dogs up" is like "put the dogs away" like how you would put something back on a shelf, but being dogs she puts them up in their crates
I’ve definitely also heard this phrasing used for people along the lines of “they put us up in their guest room for the night”. Not specifically referring to a 2nd floor, but just as a wording for something like a place to sleep. Also phrasing like “they found a place to hole up for the night”, I think it’s really just a regionalized manner of speech.
Also in another interview Chris made a comment that when he's home the dogs go in the cage at night when he's home BUT when he's not there the dogs sleep with Katie. So, here's my question, why would he tell Katie to put the dogs up and go to bed if dogs sleep with her when Chris wasn't there?
There's a glorious feeling that comes over me hearing Aidan call out an awful person with such vindication, especially knowing they might hear it. Feels like justice. Hope we can have good news to come for young Sebastian
@nikkiarmstrong3991 I mean I don't know but that wasn't the point. My point is that saying "put the dogs up" is just a very common way that people say "put them away" and doesn't necessarily mean LITERALLY "up" somewhere.
Yeah maybe he never had dogs but yes that just means to put them away. Wherever they go where they can't get out or bark or bite anybody or whatever. It doesn't mean actually a direction unless they go upstairs of course but it just simply means put away. I think it's so funny that people take certain phrases literally when that would not make sense in this case. Maybe he's autistic too
If my kid goes missing I'm telling everything about anything to anyone who will listen if it might even kind of help find them. This dad totally did it.
As a child of abusive parents and true crime watcher, a big red flag is the parent saying 'Yes, ma'am/sir' while questioned about the abuse. Such parents won't ever show any respect to their child, but are such embarrassing bootlickers to any authority. When someone wants approval from 'important' people very badly, he has no energy left to respect those weaker than him. Poor Sebastian.
Imagine withholding ANY information about ANYTHING when your child, Autistic child at that, is missing. Idgaf what questions you have for me, I am answering every question if there’s even the slightest chance it might help in some way. This is just crazy
Don’t look into the McCann case then. The mother outright refused to answer about 42 questions. Parents in that case know exactly what happened, and got rid of primary evidence, much like the parents in this one.
As someone who worked for CPS in the past, his rendition of the conversation with the social worker is very very unrealistic. Everything he said about the belt incident and CPS seems suspicious.
There is no way they would not ask about the reason behind the discipline, and the extent of the damage to Sebastian from the beating. And 100% the stepdad would have been pulled aside, not Sebastian... Then the mom would have been pulled aside (or called when the step-dad was not present) to get her side of the story and warn about the step-dad's actions. (I know this because I was on the side of the parent in a similar situation when I was in an abusive relationship. I was made aware of a potential abusive act in a time where the alleged abuser was not present.)
As someone who has been a victim of cps I absolutely believe the step-dad could have said "I strangled him" and they'd say "yeah it's whatever" They only take the kids away when it's a false accusation on an innocent parent
@@drewpott and if they find out a child was murdered by their parents bc they didn't take the kids away due to the parents being white (with cps that's usually the metric let's be real), well suddenly they couldn't predict it. when (usually white) parents murder their own children cps couldn't predict the weather 30 seconds from now when there's a hurricane outside.
@@TheLoreLodgeI think in this video it was said that the case worker , after talking to dad, backed down and told the child he can’t lie when he gets in trouble or disciplined? I think that might be what was meant?
I don't care what anyone else thinks. The parents know something. Anyone who is a parent themselves can feel it. And your passion in these videos is contagious.
wait for the mask to slip on Seth, the biological father- spoiler alert - he is not the vulnerable man he makes himself out to be. Grifting is his game and he has made A LOT of money... and is still finding different ways to use his sons disappearance for his ownbenefit- namely being "famous" and taking $$$$$ from old ladies...
I think her sons issues were more than he bargained for, and her loss took pressure off her chest, I think this is him doing something. The mom being told a lie and feeling relieved. Speculation, but damn. So so so many red flags
The step dad is a serious POS. Nothing in this case makes sense and every time the parents open their mouths, lies fall out. My heart breaks for Sebastian. He deserves so much better.
Also I believe Katie is afraid of him. He's told her what to say in interviews and he is an angry, controlling, physically violent man. He hit Sebastian with a strap.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say that I not only am okay with super long videos, I encourage it and would like it a lot Edit: Jesus y’all I’m not being literal
There’s just something about the parents’ whole vibe that makes me feel like something is very very wrong, like there is some unseen evil involving them
Your anger about this case is palpable throughout this video, and as an author person with autistic children I absolutely understand why! Thank you for caring so much ❤
"so i've been told to check this case" *a video and a half later* "well i have information that i believe is pertinent and i'm already in contact with the authorities" holy fuck man great work
According to Chris, the dogs slept with Katie when he wasn't home and he said he wasn't home! Otherwise, the dogs slept in crates! So why put the dogs in the crates if he wasn't there???
As a licensed auto mechanic, a surprising amount of people don't know what year their car is, it's not common no, but it's an alarming amount. Let alone model and or license plate
I think the difference here is that CP seems very detail oriented, specific when it's useful to him, and gregarious about lots of random details, so for that to be his answer, especially when he's a motorcycle guy, and a construction guy is off.
@@Aquarius444Kcould be cause the entire chat room from the Facebook groups was following them everywhere and live streaming threatening them and telling the people your exact info is dangerous
It’s pretty damn obvious there’s foul play here and the fact that chris tries so hard to specify that “all parents have maintained cooperation and have been cleared by law enforcement” and trying so hard to make him seem cleared it’s obvious he’s guilty as hell
Autistic person here, I think what the step dad was saying about the "he didn't have a belt" thing, was probably that Sebastian usually had a belt on, and he was reaching for that to hit him with, but he didn't have one in so he used his own belt. That says to me, that Sebastian usually wore a belt and for some reason he had stopped wearing one. If I had to guess, Chris was probably hitting Sebastian with Sebastian's own belt on multiple occasions, and Sebastian's thought process was that if he stopped wearing the belt, he wouldn't get hit. When I was younger I'd use this exact reasoning to avoid uncomfortable situations, and I don't see another reason why Sebastian would stop wearing something like a belt that is usually an every day item, especially for someone who dresses with routine in mind.
Which unfortunately means that the abuse was constant enough to warrant the change in routine, it had become routine itself, and Sebastian didn't like it.
Another thing is that neighbors have said that it wasnt normal for Katie to park in the garage and that she always parked in the driveway. But that night she parked in her garage.
Never trust someone that says they're an honest person when that wasn't the question. Honest people offer proof or at least their side of the story. Liers insist they are honest.
Yep it's like someone unprompted and unrelated to the subject at hand add in that they're "a man/woman of God" or "a good Christian/Catholic/Baptist/jewish man/woman.". Sketch city for sure.
"I'm brash, respectful, direct" being brash and respectful are contradictions. Sounds like he's an ahole who says things like "you respect me I'll respect you" when he means don't give me the attitude I give to you
Is there a way he could have been taking money for insurance and meds for the boy? Like somehow taking the money for the meds and somehow cashing it for himself? Probly not. But it was a thought.
The shoe thing is significant bc his bio dad explained when he was lil he walked on grass got ate up by fire ants and ever since WOULD NOTTTTTTT leave without his shoes!!!!
I think Chris P,was at home with Katie, the night of the disappearance as someone asked a question about did he think Sebastian left out his window or something l don't remember the exact question,but Chris answered No,because "WE"would have heard him, he let that slip,l thought to myself,l thought you were in Memphis, !!!
I stepped in a nest of red ants, barefoot, when I was 12...I thought I had been bitten by a scorpion or something, because it hurt like HELL, and I could feel the poison spreading from the bites, up my leg, and into the rest of my body...it is NOT something you EVER forget. I was completely incapacitated, couldn't walk to get help, and I actually thought I was gonna die. There is no way Sebastian went through all that...just to "run away from home" barefoot a few years later.
Honestly, I think going missing without shoes is weird for anyone. If someone is going to walk anywhere outside their own front yard, they put shoes on. Even if they're only planning to walk half a block to the mailbox, they wear shoes. If all his shoes are still there, then he went missing from either the house or the yard.
@GumshooMAMA she was a very talented woman. Study chat on the phone sleep hear an unchecked thud lose your child fiddle in the kitchen and put the dogs away. All at the same time.
I have a 16 yo autistic son. I know where he is every second of his life. When he was 13 he decided he would go to his favorite place which is a 2 hour walk from my house. Point Defiance Zoo. It took me half an hour to find him and I can not express the range of emotions I felt when I found out he had taken off. I was so distraught I was literally pulling my hair out. My older son said mom I'll bet he walked to the zoo so we took the route we always take and we found him. After that one of us in the family knows at all times where he is. If I don't hear noises from his art studio, Lego room, game room or his bedroom I check, I do knock for his privacy sake but I go in and see what he's up to. And I raised 5 kids and the 3 girls were hard to manage teenagers but I have never ever hit them or spanked them. You need to redirect not assault children.
I'm a Seattle area Autism Mom of a 17 yr old girl. *Solidarity* That fear when they elope, or you think they have eloped, is like nothing else I have felt.
@@Kortlandrose because it's an honest statement. What's wrong with that? His siblings are much older than him, I got pregnant after the doctor had said I was no longer fertile so he came as a surprise, being his siblings are all adults now he has 4 rooms to choose what he wanted to do with them because obviously his siblings are adults and have their own homes now. Is there something wrong with having different activities rooms? Should I just board those extra rooms up? Not sure why you'd leave a nasty comment like that. You should do some self reflection. If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Let me guess you were a snarky bully to the kids you saw as "different" in school. Shame.
I noticed you got fixated on “you need to put the dogs up.” That typically means put it/them away. Very often I’ve been told “put that up,” and had to go into the basement to put it away. It makes me think the dogs were in a kennel overnight, an indoor pen or something like that. Maybe the dogs were inside but contained to an area that he would pass on the way to the kitchen and would have to shush them on the way to the kitchen. Anyway the stepdad is hiding something and strikes me as the type of person who would lie even if he didn’t need to.
"Put the dogs up" just means "put the dogs away". I've heard people in the south say "Put your toys up" when telling their kids to put their toys away in a toy chest. It doesn't mean put them UP, just AWAY. It's a weird manner of speaking, but it's very common.
@@apocalypticpioneers2116 As a southerner it is very interesting finding out that "put that up" is weird for some people. That is extremely common in the south and I and many others use "up" to mean "away" all the time. Never really noticed anything weird about it.
@@wmdkitty Common enough I didn't realize so many people would be confused about it. It really is that common in the south, it's a given "put that up" means "put that away/where it goes".
southerner chiming in here: I would argue that put up is more common than put away, put away at least where I live gives a feeling of coldness or hostility that put up doesn't. As for explaining why we say it, it usually means to remove it from the floor or a surface and "up" to its proper location.
When he said he didn't know the exact year of his diesel truck... you know he must've just recently given all that information to police. So for him to act like he doesn't know when NG asks him is weird...
Especially a former Navy man. They have to know what type of boat they are on down to the type of emergency generator. So not knowing his rig is just evasion.
Not necessarily. I was an AT for 10yrs. There has been several times I've stepped in on a flight deck tour because the ships company guy didn't know anything. Just like I couldn't tell you jack about backup generators for ship power.
As a mother of 4 grown children . I’ve suspected the mom and stepdad from beginning as a mom there is no way in hell I’d leave the home when child is missing unless you no there not coming back . I think they have done something to sabastian 😢
I am not a parent but I imagine that if any caring mother’s child went missing they would have a tough time keeping it together. Sebastian’s mother looks like she does not care.
I know parents who still leave the porch lights on and have someone home every night years and years after their child goes missing in case they come home but they leave town a month after wtfff they’re both guilty she doesn’t seem at all like a mother who lost her kid and he has so many red flags it’s unbelievable
@@rosachristensen8156 There are relatives in the home. Chris had to return to work and Katy went with him to be safe because they are receiving death threats.
I've watched all these creators but by far you have done more justice for this child than I've heard yet! And you are so right and dead on everything that is truth! Keep going! You may be the one to finally bring justice truly for Sebastian! This is sick when you think about what this child has gone through! Keep going I can't wait till your next video!
I am autistic too, and I loved knowing about your little brother. Also, yes, everything you said about his medication and his genuinely not knowing why he was being "punished" resonates a lot with myself and other people on the spectrum that I know. Which, coupled with him being barefoot... I just *know* he didn't leave on his own. There is no other way an autistic teenager (one who appears to not present any intellectual difficulties) would leave his routine, medication, safety, belongings, dogs - all of these behind knowingly. Even if he was running away from home to be away from Chris, as some people are theorizing, he wouldn't leave without his shoes, meds, and some food and clothes. We, on the spectrum, plan for many different situations. He would have taken the essential stuff with him. On a more positive note, I love the passion you show on your videos, and it's showing even more on this case. In my experience, people are often dismissive when it comes to autistic individuals who are no longer small children. It's usually "oh, he ran away, he'll come back soon/we'll find him easily". Of course, being a fan of the Lodge for about two years now, I'd never expect you to act dismissive towards any cases - still, I admire you so much for being so genuinely invested in this. Thank you so much for it - I say it both as a fan and as part of the autistic community.
The mom talking about making breakfast, is to reassure that she is a good mom, the spaghetti pancakes is acknowledging that while she might not be the most traditional mom, but she still loves and cares for him. The Google comment, and stilted words were her trying to sound “relatable”
IDK personally I'd put money on her also being autistic (possibly undiagnosed). It runs in families and she has a lot of mannerisms/tics that would be downright weird in a neurotypical person but common in an autistic individual.
Yeah, I also thought the alternative is like... no one cooks and it's just cereal. So I can still see the brag as it might not be common to have a "cooked" breakfast.
i feel like she could potentially be on the spectrum like her son but undiagnosed. autism is more often than not hereditary and her general mannerisms like rocking and having a hard time with eye contact and making odd statements are all signs pointing towards being on the spectrum. autistic women are also much more likely to stay in abusive relationships longterm. ofc im not saying that makes her innocent she is hella guilty and knows something but her mannerisms to me seem more like just on the spectrum. her focusing too much on the breakfast is also a sign of it. focusing on mundane or inconsequential details is common with autism
@@carolinet7021 If she loved him she would have protected him, or given him to his Dad, and she didn't. I think she couldn't handle him, or got tired of trying and didn't want to lose her so called man.
@@bethanyestes5126 Totally can back you up, I have had a couple of friends that grew up in Foster care, and I was interviewed a few times over incidents. They just don't talk like that.
The likelihood of me disappearing is near nil but I've told my sister a thousand times if my meds are not with me I did not leave of my own volition. The reaction I'll get without one in particular is immediate and violent.
@Mike-es2yg I figured someone would ask. I'll just say that what happens to me is known as serotonin syndrome, which can be fatal. It will start within 24-36 hours for me (usually), so it's critical I get that med.
Saaaaammmmmeeee as someone who HAS to take her antidepressants and antianexity meds every morning if they are still on my nightstand something is wrong.
Same! I take some medications that I simply can't function without...like meds for hypothyroidism...I have the energy levels of an 80-year-old woman without them. I also have nighttime meds that I cannot sleep without...I can only sleep once every three days (despite chronic fatigue) without them, and that will quickly drive you crazy. Nobody's leaving home for a long period of time without their phone or meds (or shoes.)
@psychicrenegade omg I'm not even mentioning my sleep meds! Those are the true GOATS because they keep my day as regular as possible and that's so critical. If my sleep gets messed up I can go manic and that's just no good.
I don't know why it took me so long to find you, but I did today and I'm grateful for you. Thank you and please never worry that your video is too long- the longer the better when they're packed with good information and facts like you presented.
I've barely started this video so if my comment becomes irrelevant I'm sorry, but the thing that got me most about the mom and stepdad is that whenever the family members spend a significant amount of their airtime talking about "rumors" and "hate online" that they are receiving it feels like they have something to hide. Letecia Stauch comes to mind.
Yes everything he says like him saying those aren't flashlights they maybe phone lights. In a way he's telling the truth but in a way he's giving false perceptions. Take everything he says very literal. Unless he's just plain out lying, he studders before he lies with a uhh right before it. Chris sounds like he's had his nose in a law book. Why? Sebastian has that fluid pocket in his head, that if hit, but also Chris had scratches that werent from Yorkies they were defensive marks from a headlock from behind that's why they go slanted like that. I've left those marks I recognize them
Idk about y'all, but when we put our dogs away, that used to be in a baby gated room with the door open, now they sleep in my brother's room, but when we put them away, we say put the dogs up, doesn't matter that it's downstairs, up just also means away in our context.
When you posted the first video I blamed the step dad or both parents. Statistics don’t lie. Step dads, by far, are the most dangerous person in the house when it comes to the welfare of the stepkid. Especially one that’s special needs or little
It was Katie proudfoot the mom's place to protect Sebastián Wayne Drake Rogers her fleash and blood whom let a step parent and his family treat Sebastián horrible 😢as a misfit and Chris proudfoot dad neighbors hear them calling him retarded all because Sebastián was Autistic .maybe more than 1 person involved in this . Seems they surely didn't want Sebastián. Chris said didn't want Sebastián around his Daughter 😢😢
I don't know about all stepfathers but I had a stepfather when I was a teenager who I would catch spying on me. One time my mom caught him spying outside my bedroom door and I overheard her say what are you doing and he said spying on Jason.. And she said what for? I didn't hear what he said after that is they moved away from the door. But he would do stuff like insult me and my friends. One time my friend came over and we were doing some poetry homework for English and he bursts in the room and said what are you two faggets doing? And I said an assignment for English class we have to write a poem and he said oh only faggets write poems. My friend never came over after that. That's the kind of s*** that I went through that type of subtle mental abuse or he would say stuff to me and then deny it later total gas lighting
I’ve been so angry about this for so long!! I’m sorry you’ve been pulled into this nightmare. Poor Sebastian was living with a narcissist monster. Chris is getting away with murder in my opinion. 😢
@@KarenAnneRNI don't know how you read "either the kid goes or I go" and think that Some temporary visit is what he is referring to. Chris didn't want him around at all. How would a temporary visit with Seth change that? After that temporary visit the child would be returning home which is what Chris didn't want and what the statement "either he goes or I go means" that means permanently. The fact I had to spell that out is sad. I still don't get how you didn't understand that.
That the parents think it's normal that their kid calls them "sir" and "madam" is a double red flag. Making your kid call you "sir" and "madam" is the first red flag.
It’s somewhat common in the south especially if the parents are old school. Usually just “maam” not Madame though. *editing to say, still think they’re super shady, just not a hill I would die on or anything - same with “put the dogs up.” It’s just a different dialect
The parents who make their kids say sir and ma'am constantly are almost always red flag alerts. I live in the south so I get having your kids know when to use it to be polite but there is a point where it's just a power trip.
@@coley4242 yes i would agree, after a certain point it can certainly be a power trip- (in this particular case im leaning toward power trip, honestly). I think in using a response to the parent, ex: “yes ma’am” “no ma’am” is fine but i know people who can only respond “ma’am” if their mom addresses them and it’s a bit much. The people i know personally though, i wouldn’t call them red flags just super old school for my own taste.
Yeah, I think sir and ma’am can be normal, but it heavily depends on context. If it’s a general polite thing and habit, cool. If it’s accompanied by more, it’s bizarre and a power trip.
Rocking is a stress coping mechanism, usually stemming from being involved or witness to traumatic events. Step dad is definitely a lying p.o.s. Has any searches been done at his worksites? Super odd to dip out for a week long RV trip in the midst of the search for your missing child.
The interview where she seems distressed came after much online criticism of her lack of sincere emotion or heartbreaking concern that one would normally expect a mother of a missing child to display.
@@Just-Ice4Innohonestly, I think she’s just autistic as well. Rocking is a very common self soothing movement or stim, her emotions seeming out of place could also be a sign of autism. Women are under diagnosed because many of the studies didn’t account for how the symptoms would present in women.
Powerful, man... You have put more light on this case than I have seen anybody else do.. you're not a tragedy pimp, you are not over sensational, you are respectful, and to the point, your research is clearly diligent, and Chris Proudfoot should be crapping his pants right now... Can't wait for part 3 ❤❤❤❤
The parents know more than they’re leading on. Never seen parents of a missing kid be so apathetic and relaxed with a recollection of events that changes all the time. If my child went missing, I would stop at nothing to get them back and I would be an emotional mess. Here’s to hoping Sebastian is found soon.
You're spot on! I've been following this case since March and everyday I wake up and check if Sebastian has been found yet. Thank you for covering this! Hope Sebastian is found safe soon.
Oh my lord, I'm so thankful that you stepped in to this mess. Thank you! I've followed this case since it came to light. It has totally wrecked my nerves, I've been so mad, sad, disappointed by so many people. What is wrong with CPS, LE, TBI, and most of all, these so called parent's. I feel so sad and helpless for poor little Sebastian. It's a shame. He was failed by the parent's, and the legal team. I have a sick feeling that he is no longer with us. It breaks my heart. I pray that some where some one that has a heart has him and for once he's actually being protected. I could write a book, but I'll go for now. Again, thank you and I pray that you can help us help Sebastian in any way possible. God bless you 🙏🙏
After we first heard about this case, my gf immediately suspected the step dad. I wasnt sure. As soon as she saw the thumbnail for this video, she made sure I saw it immediately lol
Not gonna lie, I’m almost 40 minutes in and every single “lie” or inconsistency are completely and utterly relevant. Okay, so they drown their kid and dump him somewhere, what does the number of his shoes have to do with it? “Putting the dogs up”? The year of his car? Fuckin spaghetti pancakes?? Yeah, lock em up I guess
I've been with it from beginning I honestly think Katie accidentally lost it, he helped her hide it. His parents are threatening and following searchers and UA-camrs around Hendersonville
I'm autistic and I know I could not go out of the house without shoes because the stones would hurt. I know I couldn't make it far on foot at all even in socks. I would also struggle without my medication for any prolonged period (a week or longer) and the idea of being without causes me to be incredibly anxious. If someone punished me without explaining why (which has happened before) it would cause me to resent that person and want to stay away from them at all costs. Just a little insight into this case, maybe it's useful maybe it's not. Either way, hope he's found so he can at least see justice if not be reunited with loved ones
I walk on stones or hot pavement and even with ice and snow on the ground. My nephew is autistic and he walks outside with no shoes. He actually takes his shoes off when he is outside. He is low functioning (if that is the way to say it). Everyone is different.
My heart sank when i heard the stepfather was being vague about vehicles. Maybe there are witnesses out there who saw they weren't where they were supposed to be
Aidan- I am SO glad that you’re investigating this case- I have followed it from the beginning and the true crime community would forever be in your debt should you solve this heartbreaking 💔 case! You have stated so many things that have been questionable from the beginning that a lot of us have suspected. (Chris Proudfoot) Thank you 🙏🏻 for your time and diligence. You are much appreciated! 😊
Considering how overwhelmed CPS is, it usually takes a lot for a home visit. I have a hard time believing they would appear for a single report of corporal punishment.
Then you don't know CPS. Usually the Gestapo would be right there to take the child away and accuse the parents of all sorts of heinous s***. I've had too many friends have CPS being called on them on false accusations and their children being taken away. Then they have to fight tooth and nail for them back... CPS is nothing other than legalized child trafficking unfortunately
It's not the autism that would have prompted KP to check on Sebastian after the alleged thud. It was his vulnerability due to fluid on his brain. He wasn't allowed to play sports because of this. He also has 6q27 chromosomal deletion syndrome, which caused him seizures. Now, he'd mostly outgrown the seizures, but still. History of seizures, risk of death from hitting from his head. I believe the thud was mentioned later on as a preemptive detail they hadn't thought of yet. I'll bet he's found with a head injury.
My son has a severe life threatening seizure disorder, to the point he cannot live alone. He's 27 years old and if I hear any significant bump or thumps from his room, I check on him every time! I believe ANY caring responsible parent would do the same and the fact that she did not speaks volumes to me. Either it didn't actually happen or she was not providing her child with appropriate supervision relative to his medical conditions.
Sebastian's scent was followed to a construction site and they called it a false lead? I can think of countless possibilities for hiding a body inside of a construction site, because I started working on construction sites. If it's genuinely a false lead, I would want to know exactly what was at that construction site.
In regards to "putting the dogs up"... Putting "x up" is a colloquialism. I've had several bosses that have told me "Put the tools up." And I always understood it as put the tools away. Put up the... / Put away the... In my head, it's the same thing.
With the scent leading to a construction site and going cold there, it's an indication that it's time to start searching around for freshly poured concrete and/or freshly disturbed dirt..and bring in ground penetrating radar, especially with the stepfather working in construction
Yeah I don't understand how they came to the conclusion that it was a "false lead"... the dog was pulling his handler along the scent trail so hard, he ended up dragging him into the retaining pond with him 😂 I guess since they didn't find Sebastian there, they assume the lead was false? I'd have to disagree
I appreciate the thoroughness and delicacy you’ve been treating this case with. Not only withholding your opinions until you do the necessary research, but the call to other creators to do the same and approach this case with caution. It’s something we see too often with creators jumping to conclusions for clicks and having a detrimental impact to an ongoing case. Thank you. LONG LIVE LORE LODGE
Funny how Chris didn't mention anything around the noise coming from Sebastians room at 10 while he was on the phone. Katie told a neighbor Sebastian was still up at 11.30pm and this was consistent with neighbors seeing lights going off and on. That very first interview, my instincts told me the couple had been fighting just prior. Turns out the marriage has been on the rocks for months bc Chris didn't want Sebastian in the home any longer. Katie agreed for her son to go live with Seth. I think she changed her mind. Suddenly, their relationship is in great shape after the disappearance. That makes no sense. Now you've spoken out so candidly, please report any threats you may now have (to LE), having opened yourself up. Well done!
Do you think it's possible that the police aren't saying anything about Chris' lies because they're either building a case using it, or they're waiting for him to make a big mistake and incriminate himself or others?
If he worked a tech or office job, I might buy that. Most construction workers or other handy guys know the make/model/year of their vehicles. Only way I would give him a pass is if the construction company he works for let's him drive a company truck and he changes trucks regularly.
@GuymontagFahr451 you might be right, but, by my experience, most construction guys I know also work on their vehicles. So, assuming that, it seems like he would at least know what he drives.
Hot DAMN, sir, thank you for doing the work on this Edit: This poor kid. My heart's breaking for him. If the stepdad did something to Sebastian and the mom is siding with him over her own _child,_ she is just as much a POS as Chris is.
Do you know if LE has checked Sebastian’s new sleeping medicine to see if the right amount was missing? Seems LE doesn’t want to push hard on Katie!!! Especially since the father has said Katie might have overmedicated him.
I'm really glad to hear you making sense about this case and I hope you are able to get the police to listen to you. This case has really gone on long enough. Keep up the good work!!
I AM NOT defending the parents however… Autism is genetic most parents of autistic children will display some autistic behaviors. It’s very common for autistic people to be perceived as responding inappropriately to certain situations. This is just something to consider when strongly analyzing body language.
This! My dad and i have autism, and one time I accidentally ran away (forgot to tell my parents i was going to the neighbors) my mom was super upset that my dad seemed emotionless at this.
agreed and I'm glad to see someone else say it. a lot of the mom's "guilty" behaviors just seem like "nervous autistic person" behaviors. doesn't mean she's not involved but it's worth at least taking into consideration.
For sure! It doesn’t hurt to mention the body behaviors, but sometimes the conclusions can be really off if there are different explanations. I certainly don’t make a lot of eye contact or look in people’s directions a lot when talking if I can avoid it, and I move and rock. It’s just a thing. And I’m monotone and “emotionless” sometimes and really awkwardly laughing or inconveniently talking and can’t “fix” my tone and blah blah.
@@heathernikki5734Nah I love strong female personalities, I think she's genuinely off putting with her assumptions at times. Someone disliking her isn't necessarily an issue related to gender.
@@heathernikki5734 well, I don't have "hate" for her and I'm quite a strong female personality myself. I don't appreciate the fluff and salaciousness in her broadcasting. Back when Casey Anthony was at the center of the news cycle, she started with "tot mom" And the silliness just escalated from there. She may ask hard-hitting questions, but she does it in a very sappy, soap opera style. I prefer a much more natural style and I don't actually believe that she has the best interviews. I mean most of the time it's her talking to somebody else in the studio or piped in. With all of that said, I don't actually think what we see is her personality; it's much more of a "character" or "role".
Why hasn’t Katie been at least named a suspect since she was the last adult to see him alive? In some jurisdictions that can be used as child neglect or endangerment?
If they dont charge CP & KP with endangerment of Sebastian and abuse re the CPS reports then I lose all faith in LE there. Already many are asking ?? regarding the friendships between CP and Bowersox family with LE and TBI.
I am in the UK, I have been following this case since it first came out that Sebastian went missing, I fear the worst, we only have his mother and stepfathers word he was actually safe at home that sunday night, I agree with you about Chris not being in Memphis that night, I do hope I am proven wrong and Sebastian is alive and well and can be reunited with Seth, from all I have seen and heard Seth has genuinely been doing all he can to find his son, what mother goes on a roadtrip with her husband when her son is missing
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Love ya - but I knew he was lying when I saw his interview the first time months ago - all empath's did
I appreciate that you went with vine instead of tik-tok.
I would like to point out that "put the dogs up" basically means "put the dogs away" like in there kennel or if they have a designated room
i don’t know what type of construction work the step dad does, but once i heard he was a construction worker, my first thought was “the police need to search the construction site.” you just always hear about bodies dumped at sites. a convenient job if you ask me
I think it would benefit you to spend some time in other areas of the country & to talk to people of varying ages if you're going to analyze peoples' statements.
More than once I've heard you comment on how suspicious something sounds although it's just a "southernism" or turn of phrase that you're not familiar with.
I just think that it would give you more credibility if you'd run it by someone before recording.
Not trying to be mean - just helpful.
“Put the dogs up” doesn’t necessarily have to mean “put the dogs in the room above the garage”; when I was growing up “put the dog up” meant “put the dog in his kennel” which was in my parents’ bedroom.
edited to add: I grew up in Georgia and the Midwest, so it may be a regional thing.
Was coming here to say that. It’s just another way to say “put away”
I was also coming to say that.
Same
Yeah, I think it’s just a colloquial difference based on where you live/grew up
Yeah, it’s a southern thing. To put something up means to put it where it goes. :)
Army vet here. Getting married for the benefits is way more common than it should be
From horror stories I've heard about barrack conditions, I wouldn't doubt it. Rooming with asbestos would make any sane person consider marriage pretty quick to get out of that situation.
@@Arzon527while that *is* part of it, another big part is civilians marrying service members for the free (albeit mediocre) insurance
@@Arzon527 Honestly cant blame anyone for it, one of my friends from highschool got married to her closeted gay best friend so they could both have a better life, she got to travel with him to the different bases and take online college classes, he didnt have to risk getting outed or getting assaulted in the barracks.
Spent about 6 or 8 years "married" and then got a no fault divorce when he got out, now shes married with kids and hes out and proud.
Both CP/KP were released from the Navy. I hear adultery is a reason for dismissal.
@@Arzon527 idk I didn’t really have the problem with the barracks. You made it your own little escape and it was bearable. As long as you kept it clean you wouldn’t get messed with
"I won't tell you how many shoes he has, but police confirmed they were all present" how in the world can someone make the number of *shoes* someone has sound so suspicious without combusting on the spot?
I couldn’t even guess how many pairs of shoes my kids have. ALOT would be my only answer. It doesn’t seem like he had much in that home. I’m still holding out hope that he’s alive and living a better life.
@@WhitFyffe yeah I'm with you, kids usually have an unholy amount of shoes, they probably didn't want anyone to know that he only had one pair of sneakers. No rain, winter or summer shoes, or even different slippers for the house.
He only had one.
You’d assume you’d be there to count them after knowing his main pair hadn’t gone with them and you could at least ballpark their number, yeah.
as an autistic woman, i think it’s entirely possible that katie, herself, is on the spectrum. it’s a heritable disorder and all too frequently overlooked in women. i wasn’t diagnosed until i was 28. the rocking back and forth, the lack of eye contact, and the seemingly inappropriate emotions displayed during their interviews are all symptoms of autism. i’m not saying that this necessarily absolves her of any involvement in sebastian’s disappearance, but details like this may seem suspicious to people folks who don’t have experience interacting with autistic women. allistic women typically do not mask in social situations, so when autistic women do, we can be seen as having something to hide. that said, this case IS suspicious af. i don’t trust chris at all, and the withholding of certain details about sebastian’s care on katie’s end is… concerning to say the least.
I honestly was thinking the same. Most people do not realize that it's somewhat different in women.
Yeah, I came to the comments to say the same thing. It doesn't absolve her of possible involvement, but the lack of eye contact on her part doesn't strike me as suspicious, and some of the weirder comments she makes strike me as just not communicating well under pressure. It would also make her more of a target for an abuser.
Agreed. My sister is autistic and most people have no clue when meeting her unless they're also related to someone with autism or if they are working in a field that helps those sorts of children. My sister is an adult and still slips up every once in a while and says something hurtful without realizing it. She will say something like 'Wow you really missed out on a great party' when I wasn't even invited to it lol. She doesn't get how to be mean purposefully, she's never been vindictive or a bully like a lot of women can be, so I know that its something to do with her communication getting a bit mixed up and not anything untoward. She was also one to stay in a relationship with a very abusive boyfriend for a long time, and I remember many conversations with her explaining that the things he was doing were not mistakes or misunderstandings, that he was being purposefully manipulative. Like you said, that doesn't absolve the mother in this case of responsibility or that she's not being dodgy and lying, but I just wanted to explain to another angle regarding the thought process or habits of an autistic relative.
Yeah, these were my thoughts exactly. Her mannerisms were very similar to how autism often presents in women. She's late 40s if I were to guess, so she never would have been tested as a young adult, no one really knew about Autism back when she was young. Detecting it in women is already harder, and people tend to get better at masking it as they get older. It's pretty surprising for a lot of people to find out that their "weird aunt alice" or whatever is autistic. Before the last 20 years or so, it was just the "weird" relative. There's a whole mess of misconceptions that autism is some new thing, nah it's only in recent years that we have a word for this conditions that's probably always been around. There's still so much we don't understand about how human brains work, we really are only in the early days of mental health.
Same thing I thought when I saw the first interview with Katie, I have 40 + years of working with people with autism.
To answer why the police haven't called the stepfather out on his inconsistencies. In cases where the police have a strong reason to suspect someone they often withhold their suspicion publicly and from said person while gathering the necessary evidence.
This cultivates a false sense of comfort in the person and encourages them to do things like grant interviews to the media. That way, when the police are prepared to show their hand, they'll be laying out the physical evidence to a person who's voluntarily talked themselves into an inescapable corner. Half the leg work is potentially done, and the suspect's earlier confidence is torn away to such a degree that they're much more likely to panic during the interrogation.
I wonder if we can send the police investigating this video
I think they should arrest the mother for murder. She will start talking, because she won't want to go to jail for life. Then they can release her if she offered up the real truth. (unless she confesses of course)
@HeritageLanark police have to have probable cause to arrest someone. Meaning they have to have evidence in some form they committed the crime.
@@mobileasaurus I realize that they need probably cause - but maybe she doesn't. I would arrest her on 'suspicion'. I have seen that done before. I just thought if they could scare the heck out of her she might start talking. I realize there are a lot of comments here to read, but some people are commenting from the area. Saying - Why was Sebastian taking out the garbage with a flashlight - they happen to know where all the light switches in the house are - including the ones that light up the outside...and why were exterior light bulbs removed...etc. etc. I just thought if some MORE pressure was applied to the mother - the truth might be forthcoming.
Sure theyre "onto" it... theyre there seeing more than us @akiraasmr3002
As an autistic person i can say, the fact that absolutely NOTHING is missing is really suspicious. Most autistic people have a special interest tor some sort of comfort object, that if he had left willingly, he would definitely have taken with him. (When i was 13 it was my DS, i would never leave the house without it) So when you said his phone, switch and all his belongings were at home... that is strange
This !!!!!!! Red fucking flagggg
How do you spell l i a r? LIAR? How do you spell two l i a r s? LIARS? How do you spell f a i r y t a l e? Put the two together and what do you get? LYING FAIRYTALE! A story that lacks any credibility to rational people. Seems that local L.E. like FAIRYTALES.
yeah, fr I'm autistic and I have a set of very specific things that I always take whenever I go out, I even put them in specific pockets. There's no way this kid just left without taking anything
Same. Mine is my headphones, can't stand being out without them. Even if I don't listen to anything, I'll have them so people are less likely to talk to me
I'm not autistic and FFS I won't leave my home without my phone and pocket knife, although I never really use either of those outside of home 😂 so Yeh it's really strange IMO.
They lost me when Chris in one of his narcissistic soliloquy’s said “heh heh we were joking about how he always wanted to be a ninja and now - POOF! Gone!” … that is NOT what two normal, innocent people say about their missing child. He’s both overconfident and incredibly stupid to think people wouldn’t see the bizarreness of that statement. Edited to add he said this more than a week after his unmedicated barefoot stepson “vanished from his home”.
Bro lock him up wtfff 😭
@@oroboros88 exactly he said that on the chronicles of Olivia interview and I started screaming at my phone 🙄 he is so SMUG.
Tbf I'd totally cope like that. A mixture of terrible social skills and blunted emotions. Tends to appear highly abnormal in hindsight.
@@MatthewKelley-mq4ce I’ve never ever heard a parent of a missing child “coping” by joking about them going missing.
@@heathernikki5734for real
My side eye has been SO strong with the stepdad. I don't like to assume guilt based on vibes, but I just cannot believe he's innocent. At all.
I believe he is hiding something as well alongside Sebastian’s mother. Seems like his father is the only one who is trying to find him.
@@jahimuddin2306 The fact that the mother went off on a tangent about her weird food choices when discussing *her* *own* *son* who has been missing for weeks (Going back to check, that interview actually happened three weeks after he went missing. Her disabled teenage son had been missing for almost a *month* and yet she goes off on tangents about cooking when speaking about him) and could possibly not be alive anymore is one of the most baffling things i've ever seen in a case like this.
The only thing that could make it stranger is if it turns out that they're not responsible and she really is that scatterbrained, because that was just on another level.
@@SirDankington, I think she is just trying to shift the conversation away from Sebastian as much as she can.
Katie is the main one who should be questioned by LE cause by there story Chris wasn’t home. We all know he was there. In every interview they say WE over & over plus she asked Chris in that one interview she said to get your niece right? He shakes his head yes. Where’s Sebastian Katie 💚💚💚 & Chris helped get rid of him, IMO allegedly 🥺
@@sheilaupton8132I think she's covering for him for sure.
I know they are responsible by one fact- they are more concerned about proving their innocence than finding Sebastian
That’s it.
Exactly 💯
Being scared for your freedom is a HUGE deal .. so both would be equal to me . And in their shoes , you’d feel same way .. scared for everything .
@@jaxsmom8542I think if it were me I'd be so fearful of where the hell is my kid all else would go out the window , finding my kid would be #1 priority,not what UA-camrs said or think of me .
I think what she meant by "put the dogs up" is like "put the dogs away" like how you would put something back on a shelf, but being dogs she puts them up in their crates
U right.
yes. my friend used to say “put the groceries up” so confusing lol
This might be a regional thing because I say “put x up” all the time
I’ve definitely also heard this phrasing used for people along the lines of “they put us up in their guest room for the night”. Not specifically referring to a 2nd floor, but just as a wording for something like a place to sleep. Also phrasing like “they found a place to hole up for the night”, I think it’s really just a regionalized manner of speech.
I'm surprised he has not heard that phrase before.
Also in another interview Chris made a comment that when he's home the dogs go in the cage at night when he's home BUT when he's not there the dogs sleep with Katie. So, here's my question, why would he tell Katie to put the dogs up and go to bed if dogs sleep with her when Chris wasn't there?
Nice catch! Little bits of truth amongst the sea of lies & damned lies!
Maybe cuz he wasn’t gone. Great catch.
Very intesting observation!😮
The one I was going to mention. I believe he was home that night. Dogs put up because he’s home.
GREAT catch!
There's a glorious feeling that comes over me hearing Aidan call out an awful person with such vindication, especially knowing they might hear it. Feels like justice.
Hope we can have good news to come for young Sebastian
We say "put the chickens up", "put the horses up" and "put the dogs up", and none of them live upstairs. Lol
We have heard of children being put in cages. Did step dad do this and mom allow I cannot help but wonder.
@nikkiarmstrong3991 I mean I don't know but that wasn't the point. My point is that saying "put the dogs up" is just a very common way that people say "put them away" and doesn't necessarily mean LITERALLY "up" somewhere.
Yeah maybe he never had dogs but yes that just means to put them away. Wherever they go where they can't get out or bark or bite anybody or whatever. It doesn't mean actually a direction unless they go upstairs of course but it just simply means put away. I think it's so funny that people take certain phrases literally when that would not make sense in this case. Maybe he's autistic too
Now all I can picture is horses upstairs in a house 😂
But I thought this may be a slang term too
If my kid goes missing I'm telling everything about anything to anyone who will listen if it might even kind of help find them. This dad totally did it.
This dad? This video was mainly about Chris. Are you saying Chris did all that? Because I ain't seeing it. 🤷🏼♀️
@@Self-AwareNo, I believe they’re saying Chris did NOT do all that. Chris clearly is not telling the whole story.
I believe that Chris is the stepfather.
@@Self-Aware "This dad totally did [the crime]"
As a child of abusive parents and true crime watcher, a big red flag is the parent saying 'Yes, ma'am/sir' while questioned about the abuse. Such parents won't ever show any respect to their child, but are such embarrassing bootlickers to any authority. When someone wants approval from 'important' people very badly, he has no energy left to respect those weaker than him. Poor Sebastian.
Imagine withholding ANY information about ANYTHING when your child, Autistic child at that, is missing. Idgaf what questions you have for me, I am answering every question if there’s even the slightest chance it might help in some way. This is just crazy
Don’t look into the McCann case then. The mother outright refused to answer about 42 questions.
Parents in that case know exactly what happened, and got rid of primary evidence, much like the parents in this one.
As someone who worked for CPS in the past, his rendition of the conversation with the social worker is very very unrealistic. Everything he said about the belt incident and CPS seems suspicious.
I agree, I do not believe a word of what the stepdad said about that interaction.
There is no way they would not ask about the reason behind the discipline, and the extent of the damage to Sebastian from the beating. And 100% the stepdad would have been pulled aside, not Sebastian... Then the mom would have been pulled aside (or called when the step-dad was not present) to get her side of the story and warn about the step-dad's actions. (I know this because I was on the side of the parent in a similar situation when I was in an abusive relationship. I was made aware of a potential abusive act in a time where the alleged abuser was not present.)
As someone who has been a victim of cps I absolutely believe the step-dad could have said "I strangled him" and they'd say "yeah it's whatever"
They only take the kids away when it's a false accusation on an innocent parent
Yes ma'am....
@@drewpott and if they find out a child was murdered by their parents bc they didn't take the kids away due to the parents being white (with cps that's usually the metric let's be real), well suddenly they couldn't predict it. when (usually white) parents murder their own children cps couldn't predict the weather 30 seconds from now when there's a hurricane outside.
The CPS worker who accused Sebastian as lying has been fired!
@@TheLoreLodgei have 3 autistic grandchildren. It’s impossible for them to lie. They simply can’t do it. Something to do with autism
@@TheLoreLodgeI think in this video it was said that the case worker , after talking to dad, backed down and told the child he can’t lie when he gets in trouble or disciplined? I think that might be what was meant?
Interesting comments are being deleted.
How do you know the person was fired.
" we got a call to go pick up Chris's niece that morning" Who is the
" We" ?
I don't care what anyone else thinks. The parents know something. Anyone who is a parent themselves can feel it. And your passion in these videos is contagious.
I am not a parent and I believe they know something.
As a mom to an autistic boy myself my heart, gut, and mind all say his mom and stepdad did it.
Yea I don’t know but I just feel like they didn’t want to deal with him anymore as he’s on the spectrum poor sweetheart
wait for the mask to slip on Seth, the biological father- spoiler alert - he is not the vulnerable man he makes himself out to be. Grifting is his game and he has made A LOT of money... and is still finding different ways to use his sons disappearance for his ownbenefit- namely being "famous" and taking $$$$$ from old ladies...
The thing here is... Most often than not, when kids dissappear and leave no trace like that, it's because the parents had something to do with it
That CPS story was just ridiculous! He’s so overconfident in his abilities to fool everyone he is sloppy and inconsistent!
Probably should have done a CVS story instead so they could have got the proper meds!!!! Autism Rocks!!!!
I think her sons issues were more than he bargained for, and her loss took pressure off her chest, I think this is him doing something. The mom being told a lie and feeling relieved. Speculation, but damn. So so so many red flags
The step dad is a serious POS. Nothing in this case makes sense and every time the parents open their mouths, lies fall out. My heart breaks for Sebastian. He deserves so much better.
Also I believe Katie is afraid of him. He's told her what to say in interviews and he is an angry, controlling, physically violent man. He hit Sebastian with a strap.
Get your facts straight before running your mouth lady
@@katrinawillis741is this Chris?
@@melaniesirignano9408 you wish bish
@@katrinawillis741 literally what are you saying lol why are you mad for someone feeling bad for an abused child .. huh
The parents are definitely suspicious as hell, I feel so bad for the kid, here's hoping we have answers soon
Answers and arrests as well.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say that I not only am okay with super long videos, I encourage it and would like it a lot
Edit: Jesus y’all I’m not being literal
Second this! Long videos help the work day pass a little quicker!
Super long comment though 😂
@@miajackson3559 what?
Real
I listen to these like a podcast. Just do my work
There’s just something about the parents’ whole vibe that makes me feel like something is very very wrong, like there is some unseen evil involving them
Your anger about this case is palpable throughout this video, and as an author person with autistic children I absolutely understand why! Thank you for caring so much ❤
"so i've been told to check this case"
*a video and a half later*
"well i have information that i believe is pertinent and i'm already in contact with the authorities"
holy fuck man great work
Op was referring to what Aidan said at the end of the video, and it's super rude to call a person a nobody
@@RicketyTickwhat are YOU doing to help? trolling in youtube comments? go be useless elsewhere lil guy.
@@ErilynZoranderwell, he is
He appears to have over 5000 subscribers so I'm guessing not a complete nobody.
Except in the sense that we all are nobody.
@@RicketyTick my brother in christ i'm referring to what Aidan said please get some reading comprehension
According to Chris, the dogs slept with Katie when he wasn't home and he said he wasn't home! Otherwise, the dogs slept in crates! So why put the dogs in the crates if he wasn't there???
It seems to me that Katie, Chris and their extended families really disliked this missing child. Very disturbing. Sad
As a licensed auto mechanic, a surprising amount of people don't know what year their car is, it's not common no, but it's an alarming amount. Let alone model and or license plate
Yeah I felt so called out when he said that. I could probably give a ball park, as in it’s an Outback made after 2017 🤣
I think the difference here is that CP seems very detail oriented, specific when it's useful to him, and gregarious about lots of random details, so for that to be his answer, especially when he's a motorcycle guy, and a construction guy is off.
@@Aquarius444Kcould be cause the entire chat room from the Facebook groups was following them everywhere and live streaming threatening them and telling the people your exact info is dangerous
I agree, CP is a know-it-all, until it comes to giving the year of his car out? @@Aquarius444K
I can never remember if mine is a 2017 or a 2018. Lol
I was a cop for 10 years, and I'm currently an investigator for probation. You would make a very good detective and investigator. Good video my friend
Also a good trial lawyer.
Nah. He's too suspecting and too much harping on non important details like the regional phrase of: "put the dogs up"
Hey jaguar
He's half an attorney now, he just has to obtain a Law Degree.
I think Harvard should give him, actually, both Aidens, honorary Degrees.
😂😂😂 lol
It’s pretty damn obvious there’s foul play here and the fact that chris tries so hard to specify that “all parents have maintained cooperation and have been cleared by law enforcement” and trying so hard to make him seem cleared it’s obvious he’s guilty as hell
Or trying to tame the online mobs. Got to admit people can get stuck on a random thing and make it into a big thing. Like the whole put the dogs UP.
@rythania7686 seems like you are caught up with "putting the dogs up".
Autistic person here, I think what the step dad was saying about the "he didn't have a belt" thing, was probably that Sebastian usually had a belt on, and he was reaching for that to hit him with, but he didn't have one in so he used his own belt. That says to me, that Sebastian usually wore a belt and for some reason he had stopped wearing one. If I had to guess, Chris was probably hitting Sebastian with Sebastian's own belt on multiple occasions, and Sebastian's thought process was that if he stopped wearing the belt, he wouldn't get hit. When I was younger I'd use this exact reasoning to avoid uncomfortable situations, and I don't see another reason why Sebastian would stop wearing something like a belt that is usually an every day item, especially for someone who dresses with routine in mind.
Which unfortunately means that the abuse was constant enough to warrant the change in routine, it had become routine itself, and Sebastian didn't like it.
Another thing is that neighbors have said that it wasnt normal for Katie to park in the garage and that she always parked in the driveway. But that night she parked in her garage.
Never trust someone that says they're an honest person when that wasn't the question. Honest people offer proof or at least their side of the story. Liers insist they are honest.
Yep it's like someone unprompted and unrelated to the subject at hand add in that they're "a man/woman of God" or "a good Christian/Catholic/Baptist/jewish man/woman.". Sketch city for sure.
"I'm brash, respectful, direct" being brash and respectful are contradictions. Sounds like he's an ahole who says things like "you respect me I'll respect you" when he means don't give me the attitude I give to you
Speaking from personal experience. Yes. You are right on the money.
Nope. It's something I would say.
Man im so glad Aiden mentioned that other custody battle because good god.
The red flags 🚩 in this case are crazy. Dudes been married 5 times, has past abuse allegations on file & a motive. Diabolical. Justice for Sebastian
Is there a way he could have been taking money for insurance and meds for the boy?
Like somehow taking the money for the meds and somehow cashing it for himself?
Probly not. But it was a thought.
@@Bookeyboo369 Lowkey hope he did(nt) send that to the court overseeing his other custody battle lmao
I believe there is ample reason to suspect foul play and that Chris and Katie have something to do with it
As a character on "Deep Space Nine" once said, "Oh, I can believe in coincidences, I just don't trust them".
Take care and God Bless...
@@erikrasmussen7953 That would be him with the added bonus of let us call them his connections...
That would be Garak then...
@@erikrasmussen7953 Norman
The shoe thing is significant bc his bio dad explained when he was lil he walked on grass got ate up by fire ants and ever since WOULD NOTTTTTTT leave without his shoes!!!!
His dad also got him shoes right before he vanished that were 3 sizes bigger but that ain’t weird
I think Chris P,was at home with Katie, the night of the disappearance as someone asked a question about did he think Sebastian left out his window or something l don't remember the exact question,but Chris answered No,because "WE"would have heard him, he let that slip,l thought to myself,l thought you were in Memphis, !!!
How would seth know anything about Sebastian currently because seth only remembers everything from when they lived in California
I stepped in a nest of red ants, barefoot, when I was 12...I thought I had been bitten by a scorpion or something, because it hurt like HELL, and I could feel the poison spreading from the bites, up my leg, and into the rest of my body...it is NOT something you EVER forget. I was completely incapacitated, couldn't walk to get help, and I actually thought I was gonna die. There is no way Sebastian went through all that...just to "run away from home" barefoot a few years later.
Honestly, I think going missing without shoes is weird for anyone. If someone is going to walk anywhere outside their own front yard, they put shoes on. Even if they're only planning to walk half a block to the mailbox, they wear shoes. If all his shoes are still there, then he went missing from either the house or the yard.
That two-plus hour call is at the heart of this mystery. No married couple has that long of a call under normal circumstances.
How can you study and chat at the same time???
It was 3 hours. It was also a sticking point for me. It bugged me from the get go
@GumshooMAMA she was a very talented woman. Study chat on the phone sleep hear an unchecked thud lose your child fiddle in the kitchen and put the dogs away. All at the same time.
Thats just not true my dad used to work 2 hours away during the week and him and my mom would talk like that at least once a week
Especially while studying and falling asleep!
I have a 16 yo autistic son. I know where he is every second of his life. When he was 13 he decided he would go to his favorite place which is a 2 hour walk from my house. Point Defiance Zoo. It took me half an hour to find him and I can not express the range of emotions I felt when I found out he had taken off. I was so distraught I was literally pulling my hair out. My older son said mom I'll bet he walked to the zoo so we took the route we always take and we found him. After that one of us in the family knows at all times where he is. If I don't hear noises from his art studio, Lego room, game room or his bedroom I check, I do knock for his privacy sake but I go in and see what he's up to. And I raised 5 kids and the 3 girls were hard to manage teenagers but I have never ever hit them or spanked them. You need to redirect not assault children.
I'm a Seattle area Autism Mom of a 17 yr old girl. *Solidarity* That fear when they elope, or you think they have eloped, is like nothing else I have felt.
@@mermaidnchains absolutely terrifying feeling
You really had to put Lego room and game room in this comment 😂 lol why
@@Kortlandrose because it's an honest statement. What's wrong with that? His siblings are much older than him, I got pregnant after the doctor had said I was no longer fertile so he came as a surprise, being his siblings are all adults now he has 4 rooms to choose what he wanted to do with them because obviously his siblings are adults and have their own homes now. Is there something wrong with having different activities rooms? Should I just board those extra rooms up? Not sure why you'd leave a nasty comment like that. You should do some self reflection. If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Let me guess you were a snarky bully to the kids you saw as "different" in school. Shame.
@audibjornsson6107 Good for you! I'm betting the term "privilege" is buried in that statement. 😒
I can sense your anger talking about the CPS issues and the "belt incidents..."
Trust me bro... we ALL feel the same 💯
💯
CPS in Tennessee has some serious issues, mainly overworked and underfunded.
I noticed you got fixated on “you need to put the dogs up.” That typically means put it/them away. Very often I’ve been told “put that up,” and had to go into the basement to put it away. It makes me think the dogs were in a kennel overnight, an indoor pen or something like that. Maybe the dogs were inside but contained to an area that he would pass on the way to the kitchen and would have to shush them on the way to the kitchen. Anyway the stepdad is hiding something and strikes me as the type of person who would lie even if he didn’t need to.
"Put the dogs up" just means "put the dogs away". I've heard people in the south say "Put your toys up" when telling their kids to put their toys away in a toy chest. It doesn't mean put them UP, just AWAY. It's a weird manner of speaking, but it's very common.
Not that common if it has to be explained.
@@wmdkitty common in the south. Me and Aidan are Yankees, I don't think Wendigoon has informed the bussyboys on Southern terminology
@@apocalypticpioneers2116 As a southerner it is very interesting finding out that "put that up" is weird for some people. That is extremely common in the south and I and many others use "up" to mean "away" all the time. Never really noticed anything weird about it.
@@wmdkitty Common enough I didn't realize so many people would be confused about it. It really is that common in the south, it's a given "put that up" means "put that away/where it goes".
southerner chiming in here: I would argue that put up is more common than put away, put away at least where I live gives a feeling of coldness or hostility that put up doesn't. As for explaining why we say it, it usually means to remove it from the floor or a surface and "up" to its proper location.
When he said he didn't know the exact year of his diesel truck... you know he must've just recently given all that information to police. So for him to act like he doesn't know when NG asks him is weird...
The stepfather sure does an uncanny impression of a guilty man.
He's also not the type of guy that doesn't know anything about vehicles
Especially a former Navy man. They have to know what type of boat they are on down to the type of emergency generator. So not knowing his rig is just evasion.
Not necessarily. I was an AT for 10yrs. There has been several times I've stepped in on a flight deck tour because the ships company guy didn't know anything. Just like I couldn't tell you jack about backup generators for ship power.
As a mother of 4 grown children . I’ve suspected the mom and stepdad from beginning as a mom there is no way in hell I’d leave the home when child is missing unless you no there not coming back . I think they have done something to sabastian 😢
I am not a parent but I imagine that if any caring mother’s child went missing they would have a tough time keeping it together. Sebastian’s mother looks like she does not care.
I know parents who still leave the porch lights on and have someone home every night years and years after their child goes missing in case they come home but they leave town a month after wtfff they’re both guilty she doesn’t seem at all like a mother who lost her kid and he has so many red flags it’s unbelievable
There were people in the home while C and K left.
I'm not a parent, but I just finished this video and I think the parents (or just one) accidentally killed him and hid his body.
@@rosachristensen8156 There are relatives in the home. Chris had to return to work and Katy went with him to be safe because they are receiving death threats.
I've watched all these creators but by far you have done more justice for this child than I've heard yet! And you are so right and dead on everything that is truth! Keep going! You may be the one to finally bring justice truly for Sebastian! This is sick when you think about what this child has gone through! Keep going I can't wait till your next video!
I am autistic too, and I loved knowing about your little brother. Also, yes, everything you said about his medication and his genuinely not knowing why he was being "punished" resonates a lot with myself and other people on the spectrum that I know. Which, coupled with him being barefoot... I just *know* he didn't leave on his own. There is no other way an autistic teenager (one who appears to not present any intellectual difficulties) would leave his routine, medication, safety, belongings, dogs - all of these behind knowingly.
Even if he was running away from home to be away from Chris, as some people are theorizing, he wouldn't leave without his shoes, meds, and some food and clothes. We, on the spectrum, plan for many different situations. He would have taken the essential stuff with him.
On a more positive note, I love the passion you show on your videos, and it's showing even more on this case. In my experience, people are often dismissive when it comes to autistic individuals who are no longer small children. It's usually "oh, he ran away, he'll come back soon/we'll find him easily". Of course, being a fan of the Lodge for about two years now, I'd never expect you to act dismissive towards any cases - still, I admire you so much for being so genuinely invested in this. Thank you so much for it - I say it both as a fan and as part of the autistic community.
The mom talking about making breakfast, is to reassure that she is a good mom, the spaghetti pancakes is acknowledging that while she might not be the most traditional mom, but she still loves and cares for him. The Google comment, and stilted words were her trying to sound “relatable”
IDK personally I'd put money on her also being autistic (possibly undiagnosed). It runs in families and she has a lot of mannerisms/tics that would be downright weird in a neurotypical person but common in an autistic individual.
Yeah, I also thought the alternative is like... no one cooks and it's just cereal. So I can still see the brag as it might not be common to have a "cooked" breakfast.
not being useful in the slightest here but a cringe google comment I might add.
i feel like she could potentially be on the spectrum like her son but undiagnosed. autism is more often than not hereditary and her general mannerisms like rocking and having a hard time with eye contact and making odd statements are all signs pointing towards being on the spectrum. autistic women are also much more likely to stay in abusive relationships longterm. ofc im not saying that makes her innocent she is hella guilty and knows something but her mannerisms to me seem more like just on the spectrum. her focusing too much on the breakfast is also a sign of it. focusing on mundane or inconsequential details is common with autism
@@carolinet7021 If she loved him she would have protected him, or given him to his Dad, and she didn't. I think she couldn't handle him, or got tired of trying and didn't want to lose her so called man.
Them not looking at each other is the first thing I've noticed...really suspicious!
No way in hell a CPS worker said that.
Yeah it sure didn’t seem right to me either
@@TheLoreLodge You’re right. I grew up in foster care. I’ve interacted with tons and tons of social workers. There’s just no way.
@@bethanyestes5126 Totally can back you up, I have had a couple of friends that grew up in Foster care, and I was interviewed a few times over incidents. They just don't talk like that.
Allegedly CP has connections in CPS, LE and Sheriff's Dept@TheLoreLodge
CPS fails many children. Doesn't mean I trust this person who beats children.
The likelihood of me disappearing is near nil but I've told my sister a thousand times if my meds are not with me I did not leave of my own volition. The reaction I'll get without one in particular is immediate and violent.
Would you mind telling me what med that is? Insulin? If you don't want to say, I get it.
@Mike-es2yg I figured someone would ask. I'll just say that what happens to me is known as serotonin syndrome, which can be fatal. It will start within 24-36 hours for me (usually), so it's critical I get that med.
Saaaaammmmmeeee as someone who HAS to take her antidepressants and antianexity meds every morning if they are still on my nightstand something is wrong.
Same! I take some medications that I simply can't function without...like meds for hypothyroidism...I have the energy levels of an 80-year-old woman without them. I also have nighttime meds that I cannot sleep without...I can only sleep once every three days (despite chronic fatigue) without them, and that will quickly drive you crazy. Nobody's leaving home for a long period of time without their phone or meds (or shoes.)
@psychicrenegade omg I'm not even mentioning my sleep meds! Those are the true GOATS because they keep my day as regular as possible and that's so critical. If my sleep gets messed up I can go manic and that's just no good.
I don't know why it took me so long to find you, but I did today and I'm grateful for you. Thank you and please never worry that your video is too long- the longer the better when they're packed with good information and facts like you presented.
I've barely started this video so if my comment becomes irrelevant I'm sorry, but the thing that got me most about the mom and stepdad is that whenever the family members spend a significant amount of their airtime talking about "rumors" and "hate online" that they are receiving it feels like they have something to hide. Letecia Stauch comes to mind.
Yessss!!! I've been saying from day one that Chris and Katie are LieTecia's spirit animal😡😡
There is TRUTH in his word salad he is Censoring himself AGGRESSIVELY
Absolutely
Yes everything he says like him saying those aren't flashlights they maybe phone lights. In a way he's telling the truth but in a way he's giving false perceptions. Take everything he says very literal. Unless he's just plain out lying, he studders before he lies with a uhh right before it. Chris sounds like he's had his nose in a law book. Why? Sebastian has that fluid pocket in his head, that if hit, but also Chris had scratches that werent from Yorkies they were defensive marks from a headlock from behind that's why they go slanted like that. I've left those marks I recognize them
Idk about y'all, but when we put our dogs away, that used to be in a baby gated room with the door open, now they sleep in my brother's room, but when we put them away, we say put the dogs up, doesn't matter that it's downstairs, up just also means away in our context.
When you posted the first video I blamed the step dad or both parents. Statistics don’t lie. Step dads, by far, are the most dangerous person in the house when it comes to the welfare of the stepkid. Especially one that’s special needs or little
As a stepchild I can confirm that step-dads generally fuckin suck
It was Katie proudfoot the mom's place to protect Sebastián Wayne Drake Rogers her fleash and blood whom let a step parent and his family treat Sebastián horrible 😢as a misfit and Chris proudfoot dad neighbors hear them calling him retarded all because Sebastián was Autistic
.maybe more than 1 person involved in this . Seems they surely didn't want Sebastián. Chris said didn't want Sebastián around his Daughter 😢😢
I don't know about all stepfathers but I had a stepfather when I was a teenager who I would catch spying on me.
One time my mom caught him spying outside my bedroom door and I overheard her say what are you doing and he said spying on Jason..
And she said what for? I didn't hear what he said after that is they moved away from the door.
But he would do stuff like insult me and my friends.
One time my friend came over and we were doing some poetry homework for English and he bursts in the room and said what are you two faggets doing?
And I said an assignment for English class we have to write a poem and he said oh only faggets write poems.
My friend never came over after that. That's the kind of s*** that I went through that type of subtle mental abuse or he would say stuff to me and then deny it later total gas lighting
I’ve been so angry about this for so long!! I’m sorry you’ve been pulled into this nightmare. Poor Sebastian was living with a narcissist monster. Chris is getting away with murder in my opinion. 😢
They are working harder to prove their innocence than they are trying to find their son
Chris told Kate, either the kid goes or I go. And the kid disappeared.😔
Most likely
Oh wow. I missed that part! Where can I see that piece of evidence?
But Sebastian was leaving anyway in just a matter of weeks to go for the summer visit with Seth.
@@crazypsychnurse9493 no direct evidence for this, they're assuming that's what happened cause both the parents seem guilty AF.
@@KarenAnneRNI don't know how you read "either the kid goes or I go" and think that Some temporary visit is what he is referring to. Chris didn't want him around at all. How would a temporary visit with Seth change that? After that temporary visit the child would be returning home which is what Chris didn't want and what the statement "either he goes or I go means" that means permanently. The fact I had to spell that out is sad. I still don't get how you didn't understand that.
Best line ever....even when he is telling the truth, he's lying
That the parents think it's normal that their kid calls them "sir" and "madam" is a double red flag. Making your kid call you "sir" and "madam" is the first red flag.
It’s somewhat common in the south especially if the parents are old school. Usually just “maam” not Madame though. *editing to say, still think they’re super shady, just not a hill I would die on or anything - same with “put the dogs up.” It’s just a different dialect
The parents who make their kids say sir and ma'am constantly are almost always red flag alerts. I live in the south so I get having your kids know when to use it to be polite but there is a point where it's just a power trip.
@@coley4242 yes i would agree, after a certain point it can certainly be a power trip- (in this particular case im leaning toward power trip, honestly). I think in using a response to the parent, ex: “yes ma’am” “no ma’am” is fine but i know people who can only respond “ma’am” if their mom addresses them and it’s a bit much. The people i know personally though, i wouldn’t call them red flags just super old school for my own taste.
Yeah, I think sir and ma’am can be normal, but it heavily depends on context. If it’s a general polite thing and habit, cool. If it’s accompanied by more, it’s bizarre and a power trip.
I was told to say sir and if I did not I'd get abused. That's why I never like sir or mam
Rocking is a stress coping mechanism, usually stemming from being involved or witness to traumatic events. Step dad is definitely a lying p.o.s. Has any searches been done at his worksites? Super odd to dip out for a week long RV trip in the midst of the search for your missing child.
The interview where she seems distressed came after much online criticism of her lack of sincere emotion or heartbreaking concern that one would normally expect a mother of a missing child to display.
Do you only see the lies of Chris or have you seen them from Seth?
@@Just-Ice4Innohonestly, I think she’s just autistic as well. Rocking is a very common self soothing movement or stim, her emotions seeming out of place could also be a sign of autism. Women are under diagnosed because many of the studies didn’t account for how the symptoms would present in women.
There has never been any proof that Seth has lied but there is much proof about Chris. You need receipts.
Also rocking back and forth can be faked VERY, VERY easy.lmao
All the ppl in the pizza shop I work at are excited for this one. Played your first video on the speaker and everyone was invested 😂
Powerful, man... You have put more light on this case than I have seen anybody else do.. you're not a tragedy pimp, you are not over sensational, you are respectful, and to the point, your research is clearly diligent, and Chris Proudfoot should be crapping his pants right now... Can't wait for part 3 ❤❤❤❤
The parents know more than they’re leading on. Never seen parents of a missing kid be so apathetic and relaxed with a recollection of events that changes all the time. If my child went missing, I would stop at nothing to get them back and I would be an emotional mess. Here’s to hoping Sebastian is found soon.
You're spot on! I've been following this case since March and everyday I wake up and check if Sebastian has been found yet. Thank you for covering this! Hope Sebastian is found safe soon.
Oh my lord, I'm so thankful that you stepped in to this mess. Thank you! I've followed this case since it came to light. It has totally wrecked my nerves, I've been so mad, sad, disappointed by so many people. What is wrong with CPS, LE, TBI, and most of all, these so called parent's. I feel so sad and helpless for poor little Sebastian. It's a shame. He was failed by the parent's, and the legal team. I have a sick feeling that he is no longer with us. It breaks my heart. I pray that some where some one that has a heart has him and for once he's actually being protected. I could write a book, but I'll go for now. Again, thank you and I pray that you can help us help Sebastian in any way possible. God bless you 🙏🙏
"Put up" is just a turn of phrase. It means "put away", not literally "put something up on a higher level".
Thanks for reiterating what 100 other people have said. Good job, sport.
@@leveewasbri cool, good for you. I wrote it literally as he was saying it during the premiere. Gfy.
@orionpax21 jokes on you. I just fucked myself. Loserrrrr
@@leveewasbristop doing that and turn to Christ. You'll be much happier.
@shepherddog1199 now I just jerked it to Christ, thanks a lot!
After we first heard about this case, my gf immediately suspected the step dad. I wasnt sure. As soon as she saw the thumbnail for this video, she made sure I saw it immediately lol
Your girlfriend sounds cool, is she single?
The stepdad was out of town it's been proven
Not gonna lie, I’m almost 40 minutes in and every single “lie” or inconsistency are completely and utterly relevant. Okay, so they drown their kid and dump him somewhere, what does the number of his shoes have to do with it? “Putting the dogs up”? The year of his car? Fuckin spaghetti pancakes?? Yeah, lock em up I guess
I've been with it from beginning I honestly think Katie accidentally lost it, he helped her hide it. His parents are threatening and following searchers and UA-camrs around Hendersonville
@@ProudWhiteBoyby whom? Can anyone say they saw him that night. The answer is no the camper was seen but he was NOT
A person that rocks back-and-forth their arms in their lap across themselves are trying to comfort themselves usually they’re lying or being deceitful
I'm autistic and I know I could not go out of the house without shoes because the stones would hurt. I know I couldn't make it far on foot at all even in socks. I would also struggle without my medication for any prolonged period (a week or longer) and the idea of being without causes me to be incredibly anxious. If someone punished me without explaining why (which has happened before) it would cause me to resent that person and want to stay away from them at all costs.
Just a little insight into this case, maybe it's useful maybe it's not. Either way, hope he's found so he can at least see justice if not be reunited with loved ones
Stones hurt humans feet autism or not. Unless you have spent most your life barefoot and have tougher skin because of that.
Ty for sharing your experience 💓 I believe it's helpful!
People without autism don't have as much sensation in their nerves. There's something called sensory overload@@ohioplayer-bl9em
I walk on stones or hot pavement and even with ice and snow on the ground. My nephew is autistic and he walks outside with no shoes. He actually takes his shoes off when he is outside. He is low functioning (if that is the way to say it). Everyone is different.
My coworker, who is autistic, said pretty much the same thing.
How can such a horrible liar be so confident in his lies???
He thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
Narcissism mostly
IDK, how is Trump so confident in his lies?
@@wmdkitty TDS spotted
@@heathernikki5734 TY!
I understand the hesitancy to cover ongoing cases but your thorough work and ability to spread the word about missing people is very valuable imo
My heart sank when i heard the stepfather was being vague about vehicles. Maybe there are witnesses out there who saw they weren't where they were supposed to be
Aidan- I am SO glad that you’re investigating this case- I have followed it from the beginning and the true crime community would forever be in your debt should you solve this heartbreaking 💔 case! You have stated so many things that have been questionable from the beginning that a lot of us have suspected. (Chris Proudfoot) Thank you 🙏🏻 for your time and diligence. You are much appreciated! 😊
All I know is if 1 of my kids were missing I wouldn't be able to eat, drink , sleep, an other than to try and find them.
So you are looking to die in the process?
You need to still look after yourself during a traumatic time. Live with normalcy, too.
@rabid6663 not looking to die but my anxiety level would be so high
@@joaquincortada1483 I can grasp that. My child went missing. Found, thankfully. Glad no social media then.
Considering how overwhelmed CPS is, it usually takes a lot for a home visit. I have a hard time believing they would appear for a single report of corporal punishment.
I was thinking that.
Just see how far it had to go in the 8 passengers case.
Then you don't know CPS. Usually the Gestapo would be right there to take the child away and accuse the parents of all sorts of heinous s***.
I've had too many friends have CPS being called on them on false accusations and their children being taken away.
Then they have to fight tooth and nail for them back...
CPS is nothing other than legalized child trafficking unfortunately
I mean even in california getting a whipping with a belt would result in just at most, a stern phone call.
It's not the autism that would have prompted KP to check on Sebastian after the alleged thud. It was his vulnerability due to fluid on his brain. He wasn't allowed to play sports because of this. He also has 6q27 chromosomal deletion syndrome, which caused him seizures. Now, he'd mostly outgrown the seizures, but still. History of seizures, risk of death from hitting from his head. I believe the thud was mentioned later on as a preemptive detail they hadn't thought of yet. I'll bet he's found with a head injury.
This is what I think happened too. It doesn't take that much force to give any kid a brain injury, let alone a kid with medical problems.
My son has a severe life threatening seizure disorder, to the point he cannot live alone. He's 27 years old and if I hear any significant bump or thumps from his room, I check on him every time! I believe ANY caring responsible parent would do the same and the fact that she did not speaks volumes to me. Either it didn't actually happen or she was not providing her child with appropriate supervision relative to his medical conditions.
@@alexandralamberton5615but if it was truly an accident, previous speculated abuse aside, why hide it? Generally asking, ofc.
Hey when Chris got faith He told the court that him and Katie was clear from any wrongdoings To get faith for the summer
Sebastian's scent was followed to a construction site and they called it a false lead? I can think of countless possibilities for hiding a body inside of a construction site, because I started working on construction sites. If it's genuinely a false lead, I would want to know exactly what was at that construction site.
In regards to "putting the dogs up"...
Putting "x up" is a colloquialism. I've had several bosses that have told me "Put the tools up." And I always understood it as put the tools away.
Put up the... / Put away the...
In my head, it's the same thing.
Especially with Chris who worked construction
With the scent leading to a construction site and going cold there, it's an indication that it's time to start searching around for freshly poured concrete and/or freshly disturbed dirt..and bring in ground penetrating radar, especially with the stepfather working in construction
Yeah I don't understand how they came to the conclusion that it was a "false lead"... the dog was pulling his handler along the scent trail so hard, he ended up dragging him into the retaining pond with him 😂 I guess since they didn't find Sebastian there, they assume the lead was false? I'd have to disagree
They could have had someone meet them at the site. Dogs do not usually do false leads.
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I appreciate the thoroughness and delicacy you’ve been treating this case with. Not only withholding your opinions until you do the necessary research, but the call to other creators to do the same and approach this case with caution. It’s something we see too often with creators jumping to conclusions for clicks and having a detrimental impact to an ongoing case. Thank you.
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This case bothers me so much! Justice for Sebastian
Funny how Chris didn't mention anything around the noise coming from Sebastians room at 10 while he was on the phone. Katie told a neighbor Sebastian was still up at 11.30pm and this was consistent with neighbors seeing lights going off and on. That very first interview, my instincts told me the couple had been fighting just prior. Turns out the marriage has been on the rocks for months bc Chris didn't want Sebastian in the home any longer. Katie agreed for her son to go live with Seth. I think she changed her mind. Suddenly, their relationship is in great shape after the disappearance. That makes no sense. Now you've spoken out so candidly, please report any threats you may now have (to LE), having opened yourself up. Well done!
Do you think it's possible that the police aren't saying anything about Chris' lies because they're either building a case using it, or they're waiting for him to make a big mistake and incriminate himself or others?
I work at an auto parts store. You’d be surprised the amount of people that don’t even know the make and model of their car, much less the year
If he worked a tech or office job, I might buy that. Most construction workers or other handy guys know the make/model/year of their vehicles. Only way I would give him a pass is if the construction company he works for let's him drive a company truck and he changes trucks regularly.
@@csolivais1979 I don't think it has anything to do with the type of work the person does; it has everything to do if they're a space cadet or not.
@GuymontagFahr451 you might be right, but, by my experience, most construction guys I know also work on their vehicles. So, assuming that, it seems like he would at least know what he drives.
Hot DAMN, sir, thank you for doing the work on this
Edit: This poor kid. My heart's breaking for him. If the stepdad did something to Sebastian and the mom is siding with him over her own _child,_ she is just as much a POS as Chris is.
What kind of truck guy doesn't know what year his truck is?
Do you know if LE has checked Sebastian’s new sleeping medicine to see if the right amount was missing? Seems LE doesn’t want to push hard on Katie!!! Especially since the father has said Katie might have overmedicated him.
This gets my emotions raging. I see the absolute restraint in the eyes. Good work. I wish for the absolute best.
I'm really glad to hear you making sense about this case and I hope you are able to get the police to listen to you. This case has really gone on long enough. Keep up the good work!!
I’m going to continue tuning in. I hope you haven’t already made up your mind. All of the parents have things to answer for, imo.
I AM NOT defending the parents however… Autism is genetic most parents of autistic children will display some autistic behaviors. It’s very common for autistic people to be perceived as responding inappropriately to certain situations. This is just something to consider when strongly analyzing body language.
This! My dad and i have autism, and one time I accidentally ran away (forgot to tell my parents i was going to the neighbors) my mom was super upset that my dad seemed emotionless at this.
agreed and I'm glad to see someone else say it. a lot of the mom's "guilty" behaviors just seem like "nervous autistic person" behaviors. doesn't mean she's not involved but it's worth at least taking into consideration.
For sure! It doesn’t hurt to mention the body behaviors, but sometimes the conclusions can be really off if there are different explanations. I certainly don’t make a lot of eye contact or look in people’s directions a lot when talking if I can avoid it, and I move and rock. It’s just a thing. And I’m monotone and “emotionless” sometimes and really awkwardly laughing or inconveniently talking and can’t “fix” my tone and blah blah.
Thank you so much for all your help. Totally agree with you.
Thank God, you watched Nancy Grace so we didn't have to
She actually did a great job with these two.
I love Nancy! She only gets hate from people who can’t handle strong personalities in a female. Many such cases! She handled these two liars expertly.
@@heathernikki5734Nah I love strong female personalities, I think she's genuinely off putting with her assumptions at times. Someone disliking her isn't necessarily an issue related to gender.
@@sourgreendolly7685except her assumptions are usually correct. Abrasive doesn’t equate to “wrong”. I should’ve changed “only” to “mostly” though.
@@heathernikki5734 well, I don't have "hate" for her and I'm quite a strong female personality myself. I don't appreciate the fluff and salaciousness in her broadcasting.
Back when Casey Anthony was at the center of the news cycle, she started with "tot mom" And the silliness just escalated from there.
She may ask hard-hitting questions, but she does it in a very sappy, soap opera style.
I prefer a much more natural style and I don't actually believe that she has the best interviews. I mean most of the time it's her talking to somebody else in the studio or piped in.
With all of that said, I don't actually think what we see is her personality; it's much more of a "character" or "role".
Why hasn’t Katie been at least named a suspect since she was the last adult to see him alive? In some jurisdictions that can be used as child neglect or endangerment?
If they dont charge CP & KP with endangerment of Sebastian and abuse re the CPS reports then I lose all faith in LE there. Already many are asking ?? regarding the friendships between CP and Bowersox family with LE and TBI.
Everyone is still a suspect
They are suspects
I am in the UK, I have been following this case since it first came out that Sebastian went missing, I fear the worst, we only have his mother and stepfathers word he was actually safe at home that sunday night, I agree with you about Chris not being in Memphis that night, I do hope I am proven wrong and Sebastian is alive and well and can be reunited with Seth, from all I have seen and heard Seth has genuinely been doing all he can to find his son, what mother goes on a roadtrip with her husband when her son is missing